The Walking Dead: Dead Weight

Posted on November 25, 2013

TWD+S4E7+5David Morissey in AMC’s The Walking Dead

 

Okay, maybe we should just skip this entire review and turn it over to the comments section. Why? Because we’re so annoyed that there’s just no way we can string together any sort of critique or recap. We are not the people who should be discussing The Governor’s long journey in a circle, right back to where he started. We can’t stand the character anymore and by roughly the half point of last night’s episode, we were just plain angry that we were going to have to sit through a second hour of him brooding and then randomly getting violent with people.

Seriously, are we that out of synch with the show’s fandom? Is anyone not associated with this show really all that fascinated by him? He was a colorful and memorable character in the books, but the TV show chose not to go the same route, making him annoyingly repetitive and ultimately, kind of boring. By the time he became a cartoon villain at last season’s finale, he was pretty much irreparably damaged. Obviously, a return was imminent, but we kinda hoped it would be along the lines of going out in a blaze of glory so we can get on with the rest of the story, instead of a mopy two hours that really told us nothing we didn’t already know.

As an aside, when The Gov was off on that run with Martinez and his two associates (Fringe’s Kirk Acevedo and The Dollhouse‘s Enver Gjokaj, both of whom were welcome sights), we immediately thought, “Okay, the men in this group are entirely too hot. They’re all gonna be dead before the hour’s over.” The Governor really isn’t hard to figure out. Everything is a dick-measuring contest with him. R.I.P. Martinez. We wish you’d taken your shirt off one more time before you left us.

What exactly did these two hours accomplish? You could have had the Governor go directly from massacring his own people last season to the front gate of the prison and the story wouldn’t have remotely suffered for it. Oh, wait. He wants to protect his  new”family.” That makes him so interesting! There’s no one in this world or situation like that. Tell us more, writers. It’s all so fresh and exciting.

And next week? The Governor leads an assault on the prison! What a shocking and original turn of events.

Feh. This season had a lot of promise when it started, but as far as we can tell, we’re right back to where we were at the end of last season. Sometimes – a lot of the time, in fact – we don’t think this show deserves nearly the amount of acclaim and success it’s achieved.

Like we said, we’re cranky about this one. Talk amongst yourselves.

    • NYCGlamourpuss

      My boyfriend often likes to take up a contrary position on the shows we watch so that we can have a spirited debate. So yesterday over lunch he actually tried to argue that The Gov could be rehabilitated. I laughed at him SO HARD – bless him. Then I sent him a text this morning where I just laughed at him some more.

      • Mismarker

        : ) I was in your boyfriend’s camp. I really wanted to believe he had somehow changed and I think the Governor himself thought he *had* changed. He did say as much to Martinez in that cabin. It was interesting to see the conflict in him over the course of the episode. He didn’t want that leadership role again but he had to take it when he saw Martinez couldn’t keep the camp safe and Peter wouldn’t be able to make the tough decisions. Ah, well. I guess I appreciate these episodes as a character study. Maybe a character study that should have taken place last season.

        • Isabel

          Pumpkin! Pumpkin! It’s so creepy when he calls the little girl that name, knowing what he is capable of doing and what he has done.

          • Mismarker

            One of my quibbles was how cozy that little unit has become in such a short amount of time. I kept waiting for Megan to turn to him and say, “quit calling me that, ya creep.”

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              I know, I just want something totally wacky to happen to break things up. I’d love it if the next time he calls her “Pumpkin”, the kid would turn to him, go full on Janis Ian from “Mean Girls” and go, “GAHH! Damian! Shall we not?” It would break the boredom, AND it would make about as much sense as anything else in this plot line.

        • CT14

          I’m really sick of the”I don’t want to be the leader because I make bad decisions, but I’m the only one who can because the story is all about ME” crap.

          Both Rick Grimes and Gov Brian bore me to tears and other characters have to behave improbably so the writers can tell their patriarchal crap story.

          They’re going to rehab the GOVERNOR, but Carol is irredeemable.

          Seriously, Show?

          • editrixie

            Well, ya know, the Gov is a guy, so of course he’s redeemable and much more interesting than a useless stupid woman. Why would we want to spend two hours watching Carol go off alone, when we could watch a man?

    • Ashley Stacey

      He’s basically right back to where he was when we left him last season, so what was the point of these last two episodes!!!! It all could have been summed up in a couple flash backs! Now we only have one episode left till next year…and we better get the Rick telling Daryl about Carol scene…

      • NYCGlamourpuss

        Exactly – it was all wasted all for nothing. Because really, when a dude sexually assaults his victims, shoots a whole group of people who won’t follow along with him, has zombie cage matches for fun, has an aquarium full of heads, and stabs his right hand guy so that he turns into a zombie in order to eat his current girlfriend, he’s not really a candidate for rehabilitation.

        And if the motherfucker hurts or kills Hershel or Michonne next week, I will be PISSED.

        • Sobaika

          And now he has a LAKE of zombies. Messed up.

          • jtabz

            Yes! The collecting habit apparently dies hard.

          • marlie

            That was just disturbing.

        • marlie

          I know the Gov already knew Michonne, but did he also know Hershel beforehand?

          • Isabel

            When he and Rick wasted an episode talking about the truce, he must have seen Hershel. He probably didn’t even bother to find out his name. Does the Gov know that Maggie is Hershel’s daughter.

        • SassieCassy

          hershel daryl and michonne are my people who can not die. literally anyone else can eat it.

          • NYCGlamourpuss

            Yup, I’m with you – those three exactly. And I’ll add Rick to my “He Who Shall Not Be Harmed” list, just because I still love him. But isn’t it awful how we’ve reached this point, thanks to the writers? That’s it, four characters are on my “Don’t Kill” list. Four. I couldn’t even give a shit about Glenn and Maggie at this point. And if you could have seen me screeching at my TV during S2 when they used Glenn as walker bait down the well, even I’m shocked that I’ve turned this corner.

            • Mismarker

              I would add Carl and Sasha to those already mentioned. Glenn and Maggie are boring. If Hershel is going to survive, they can’t kill off both of his daughters. I’m guessing Maggie lives and Beth bites it.

          • CT14

            I want Carol back. Carol, Darryl and Michonne. And the creepy girl…she’s entertaining and brings up world-building questions about the zombies that could be addressed.

            Everyone else is totally expendable. Rick most of all, since the writers depend on that character to be “the hero” just because he exists and not because they’ve written him a strong storyline.

    • Mismarker

      I agree with your frustration. Next week looks like it will be the all-out war most people were expecting at the end of last season. David Morrissey is an amazing actor and the only reason I am even interested in the Governor at this point. That being said, if he is not dead at the end of next episode, I will be very pissed.

    • Sobaika

      Can’t and won’t bother discussing this episode seriously.

      Did anyone else watch The Talking Dead? The actor who played Martinez repeatedly joked about how this was the first episode he had lines.

      • SassieCassy

        karen walker voice: it’s funny cuz it’s true

        • NYCGlamourpuss

          Karen “Walker” – GET IT? Haaaaah!!!

      • http://twitter.com/janedonuts Jane Donuts

        Yeah and he came off like an idiot, too. Took his part waaaay too seriously.

        • Sobaika

          I thought that shit was hilarious. The second Martinez had actual things to say it was a giant red telegraph that he will D I E a horrible and dramatic death.

          • http://twitter.com/janedonuts Jane Donuts

            True. It’s just, ugh, *actors*.

    • WendyD

      From a purely “this is how TV shows get made” POV: this last episode was shot when the main cast was all at SDCC for the week. The Governor’s stand-alone story may have been scheduled into the season to allow for the regular cast to fulfill other obligations to the show.

      • Sobaika

        Which is fine – but you’re telling me they couldn’t do something more interesting with these two hours of storytelling?

        • marlie

          You know, the past two weeks could have actually been interesting “filler” episodes without the Governor. Imagine if it was just about the family trying to start over after the dad died?

        • jen_vasm

          Seriously. After watching, my mind went on overdrive to find a reason for taking 2 hours to tell us what we already know and don’t care about. We know The Governor can attract clueless women and can’t help but take a leadership role and hates guys that act like Rick. BFD. But wouldn’t it have been more interesting to see him creep up on that group and subtly take them over/corrupt them rather that just kill off the leaders? And how stupid is this group that they don’t seem to be troubled that 48 hours after he comes in, 2 leaders are dead and he’s in charge?

          • NYCGlamourpuss

            “We know The Governor can attract clueless women and can’t help but take a leadership role and hates guys that act like Rick.” In other words – Shane. ;-)

          • Boobs Radley

            “And how stupid is this group that they don’t seem to be troubled that 48 hours after he comes in, 2 leaders are dead and he’s in charge?”
            So true. How did these mouth-breathing dimwits survive the ZA in the first place?

          • lynde1038

            I think it was longer than 48 hours. The passage of time wasn’t very clear, but it seemed like maybe they’d been part of the group and living in that RV a bit longer than 2 days. Lily insisting that they were very comfortable there, and that it was home now, made it seem like they’d been there for at least a few weeks.

            But who knows? The passage of time on this show is always a very hinky thing to keep tabs on. I mean Carl’s gone from 10 to 14 in the span of roughly 18 months, so maybe “48 hours” is the equivalent of several months. :)

    • Alexis Boucher

      When the show ended, my immediate reaction was “And why did we devote 2 hours to tell us what we already knew?” I was hoping by using that much time they would show something different with the character. But this is the show that spent half of season 2 looking for a character no one really cared about…
      Would have been much more interesting if the Guv showed up at the prison and tried to get his new family in there as it is the “safest” place for them. As of now.. meh. One big MEH.

      • jtabz

        Would have been much more interesting if the Guv showed up at the prison and tried to get his new family in there as it is the “safest” place for them.

        This. Those would have been some fireworks I’d have wanted to see. It would have been so much more interesting than the direction the writers went in.

        • NYCGlamourpuss

          Exactly! The Gov is going to attack the prison because he’s really still bad. Oh wow, that’s earth shattering! These guys are professional writers – they don’t think that it would have been FAR more interesting, after everything he’s done to the Grimes Gang, to see him try to get his new family safe and secure inside the prison of the people he’s previously attacked? They don’t see how that would have made a much more interesting dynamic? Jesus!

          • Alexis Boucher

            Also… I’ve been waiting several weeks to see the fall out of Rick having to tell Daryl about Carol. Much more interesting potential than Prison Siege Part Deux.

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              Yes! Because – wait for it, writers – THAT’s going to be interesting when they let us see it! Will Daryl be pissed? How pissed will he be? Will he ultimately understand why Rick did what he did? I mean, it’s a multi-faceted plot line, I don’t know why we can’t see it!

        • Bebe

          Agreed! THAT would have been interesting. Either that or I wish they had told the “virus in the prison” story and “the Governor’s journey” story simultaneiously over a longer period of time. Having him go from evil to quiet family man then back to evil in TWO episodes devoted entirely to the Governor was a poor decision. It should have at least been stretched out over time for the viewer. I don’t think I’d be as irritated if we got a better sense of the length of time his story covered.

        • Alexis Boucher

          I get they were trying to show the governor’s journey back to the prison, but if there is going to be no character development… why bother? If he did change, the story would have been much more interesting. Instead we get a cartoon character. All he needs is a big black mustache to twirl.

    • ccinnc

      Even my son and his girlfriend, who are huge fans and who even left the Patriots-Broncos game to watch, spent a good part of the show criticizing how ridiculous it all was. I wanted to go back to the game.

    • Mismarker

      Maybe this was covered on Talking Dead (dvr’d but haven’t watched it yet) but what was the deal with that cabin and the headless bodies?

      • Angela_the_Librarian

        I didn’t watch either, but I’m guessing it was some sort of revenge or vigilante justice. I think the point of showing them was to highlight the Governor’s crimes (liar, murderer, rapist [though I don't know if he actually raped anyone])

      • Isabel

        I think that it showed that people are stressed out in the world. They are acting out the paranoia instead of popping a pill to calm them down or meditating.

    • mommyca

      And seriously, do we need more blonde little girls running away from zombies and hiding under vehicles??? aaaggghhhhhhh…. I usually watch the show DVR’d so when I realized it was another The Gov episode I was pretty tempted about watching the whole thing is fast motion… I didn’t, so I had the chance to see all those artistic shots of The Gov looking over the lake…. :)

      And to me Kirk Acevedo will always be from Oz…..

      • Scoobydrew

        YES!!! Eye plucking Miquel from OZ has a new gig! At least when they attack Rick and the gang he will know something about prisons.

    • marlie

      I spent the whole of last night’s episode asking what the point of his “redemption” was, since there really was none. The bf tried to argue that he’s resorting to what he knows in a (perhaps misguided) effort to protect his new family. I didn’t watch last season, so I didn’t see how deplorable he was, but I’m already over him/his storyline anyway. And, I find myself already rooting for the prison residents – as annoying as THEY are – to kick his ass next week.

      • Angela_the_Librarian

        I was actually rooting for him a smidge when he packed up the girls to leave before the camp became Woodbury part 2. What I didn’t understand was why he didn’t stick with his plan and just take a different route. For a brief moment I thought he was returning to the prison at that point to get the girls secure there. Guess I was wrong!

        • Mismarker

          Another quibble of mine. Why not just go a different way? If he really wanted to leave before it went south, before he became what he knew he would become, why not just go a different way? Is there only one road in Georgia????

          • lynde1038

            David Morrissey did an interview at EW in which he said that going on the run was the Governor trying to run away from himself, knowing that *he* was reason things would go “bad.” But when they got to that road and saw those walkers, he was essentially confronted with the reality that he can’t escape that part of himself. Not in this world. The danger will always be there. So there was no point in trying another road. He may as well just go back and try to make the place they had safe (by killing people and taking over).

            I don’t think they effectively communicated his internal struggle in that scene, or why those walkers led to his acceptance of the “bad man” within, but the explanation for why he didn’t just try another road works for me.

            • Mismarker

              I read that interview, too. It is on the front page of Yahoo, for anyone interested. Total agreement about it not being conveyed effectively. And the next scene of them being back at camp was disjointed as all hell. I thought it was a flashback at first.

      • Nohissyfits

        I think that is the point. “You can’t come back from this” is a pretty prevalent theme this season. I thought these two episodes (which I happened to really enjoy) illustrated the theme brilliantly!

        • Mismarker

          I love that Martinez even said “some things you can’t come back from. Either you live with them or you don’t” right before the Governor whacked him with the golf club. Nice call back to the theme.

    • GenieinTX

      Oh man, I agree. I thought it was terrible. But I was happy to see the Enver is still as pretty as always. I need that guy to get a lead role in something, stat. He should have been cast as Agent Ward in SHEILD.

      • cornpicker73

        I was bummed they offed him so quickly. I was like HOORAY FOR VICTOR!

        • heather

          I was, too! I’d watch just about anything w/ him in it. He’d make an awesome Agent Ward – better than the guy in it now, I think. I keep hoping Whedon will use him again.

    • mjude

      I am in the minority but I really liked the episode. i am afraid of what characters we may loose.

      • Mismarker

        Despite some quibbles I found it an enjoyable hour of television, too. mjude, we can start our own little camp over by that dead lake and zombie mud pit.

        • mjude

          i will be there in a minute? coffee?

          • Mismarker

            : ) I prefer skunky beer. Weird, I know. And at this time of day.

            • mjude

              skunky beer it is! i also thought the talking dead was a good too.

            • Mismarker

              Good to know. It is DVR’d and I’m watching this afternoon while my wee one is at preschool. I hope Paul Scheer was a good guest. I love him.

            • BayTampaBay

              He wasn’t a good guest

    • Nice_Shirt

      As for me, I’m just tired of the obvious red-shirting. I knew Sweet Hot Army Guy (SHAG) was a goner as soon as I saw him. (Yes, I know his name is Pete. I like SHAG better.) Apparently, good looks are a death curse in the Zombie Apocalypse. As soon as a hot new character gets a few lines and a back story, the clock is ticking. Ugh, this show.

      • Sobaika

        Who dies quicker in the zombie apocalypse – minorities or hot people? Discuss.

        • SassieCassy

          so like i think that hot people die quicker but PoC just wander around with no character development.

          • ellisd123

            Truer words… T-Dawg was the worst, but then you add ‘Angry Black Man TV Trope’ (Tyrese), and Tyrese’s daughter. Glenn had character, but they neutered him. Now all he and Maggie seem to be capable of doing is having sex, talking about wanting a family, and making sad eyes at one another.

            • mlurve

              I think Sasha is Tyrese’s sister, not daughter.

            • ellisd123

              In the comic, she’s his daughter, so I just assumed.

            • turtleemily

              It’s Julie in the comics.

        • NYCGlamourpuss

          And if you’re a hot minority? DEAD!!

    • gsk241

      I share your frustration. The show does not need a human villain, and the best episodes revolve around crises not related to the soap opera elements the show seems so enamored of. On the plus side, we are seeing some world building and learning that there is a lot going on outside the prison walls.

      • ellisd123

        On the contrary, a human villain would be realistic and COULD make the show interesting. It’s worked remarkably well in the comics. However, it has to be handled correctly, which these writers seem incapable of doing.

      • Sobaika

        A running theme of the show is that the Real Evil is other humans, I don’t want them to deviate from that. I’d ideally like some balance between that and Survival 101 in the zombie apocalypse.

    • Paigealicious

      Zzzzzzzzzz (the show, not your review)

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      I’m cranky too. When I saw the preview for next week my eyes couldn’t roll more quickly. I just hope that this last show down will be just that..the last. I’m ready for the show to move forward. The only potentially positive thing that could come from the confrontation at the prison (beyond the Governor’s death) is Rick’s group heading back on the road. The prison has become stagnant and provides a false sense of security. It’s high time they begin constructing tree houses or at least houses on stilts!

      • Mismarker

        I will bet beers this upcoming episode is the final collapse of the prison. It has to be, right? This show is so much more interesting when they’re on the road. New blood, new dangers. I’m ready for it, too.

      • BeccaGo

        YES to tree houses! Thank you! I’ve been saying this from the beginning. It seems so obvious. But maybe I’ve just read The Hunger Games too many times. :)

    • otterbird

      Remember the dead rats at the fence? Anyone? Yeah, I don’t think the writers do, either. I thought maybe the Governor had a spy in the camp who was luring the zombies to the fence so as to make an assault on camp already weakened from constant zombie fighting, but apparently that’s yet another little bit that got dropped. If red herrings were anchovies, this whole season would be Zombie Caesar salad.

    • tereliz

      Turned the TV off when I realized it was another Governor episode. Watched Coming to America in bed instead.

      • Sobaika

        “SHE IS YOUR QUEEEEEN TO BEEE!!!”

        • NYCGlamourpuss

          “Where does one go to find a queen? QUEENS!”

        • tereliz

          A vision of perfection! Completely free from infection! To be used at your discretion! Waiting only for your DIRECTION!!

        • BayTampaBay

          Completely Disease Free

      • MilaXX

        A group of us did a live rewatch and live tweet of this last week and it was sooooo much fun. I miss movies like this,

      • susan6

        “Just let your SOUL GLOOOOOOOO…..just let it shine through…..”

    • bellafigura1

      I was hoping Carol would turn up and align herself with the Gov. I’m sick of him too, last night was so weirdly boring.

    • Zippypie

      Cranky indeed. There was absolutely no point whatsoever to these two episodes, just two hours of my life I can’t get back. And now we’re back to Prison Attack 2.0 to make up for the lame Prison Attack 1.0 last season. They have a TANK this time. Yee-fucking-haw. How are these camp people so easily turned into “kill everyone else to get supplies”??? Is the Gov that persuasive?? C’mon! He’ll lose his “family” when they see what he is in the attack and that’s supposed to make me what? Sympathetic to him? Just kill him already. Michonne, please do the honors. Please. And if they kill Herschel in the process, I think I’m done, Daryl or no Daryl.
      I love the poster’s below idea that what would have been more interesting is that if they hadn’t “run into” Martinez at all but the Gov had tried to get his new family into the prison for safety. Now THAT I would have liked to have watched.
      I would love to love this show again. But it’s like an old boyfriend that promises you he’ll change, makes an effort for maybe a week, and then goes back to his old slovenly disrespectful ways.

    • Inspector_Gidget

      See, this is why I originally complained about divergence from the source material. Not because I can’t stand to have anything changed, but because those changes don’t really add anything to the show. I was ready for the Governor’s all-out assault on the prison at the end of last season (which was already his second or third attack) to be his final blaze of glory. It doesn’t feel like we’ve gained anything by having him go away awhile and then come back and just do it AGAIN. It feels like padding at this point.

      • Eric Stott

        They had to diverge from the source, if only to sidestep the amount of sex going on in that prison. If only they’d replaced it with something good.

    • dickylarue

      I think the writers believe the past two episodes achieved the “world building” we all craved. While I am interested in seeing how other survivors are doing it and not coming up with a new reason of the week why Rick is tortured emotionally, the world building felt small. Using the Governor to expand the world, again, was clearly a misstep. Sure, it’s mildly interesting seeing him con a new group of people and try to resuscitate Woodbury 2.0…but again, it’s all too easy here. That ridiculous scene where he killed Martinez and NO ONE saw them in a camp that had a lot of people pushed closely together is just lazy writing. Same thing with killing one brother and making the other his new Merle. This is one of those shows that I don’t get people loving it. It’s good escapist entertainment. A step above that deliciously wrong V remake or the show on NBC where they lost the power, but it never lives up to it’s potential. Darabont leaving cursed this show to mediocre minds guiding the ship around an above ground pool in a small backyard. Oooh boy, The Governor is gonna rematch Rick. This is Pro Wrestling writing mixed with some truly talented actors and a seriously talented Production team who create a visceral look. The writing’s the problem. It’s always been. They get so caught up in overwrought character arcs and never pay them off correctly. They don’t know how to execute storylines and the budget needs of sticking to the same location/set pieces seriously hurt the show development.

      • Mismarker

        I am a bit a of nerd about this show and actually listen to one of the weekly podcasts dedicated to it. A few weeks back, the hosts interviewed one of the writers/producers Angela Kang and she basically said they never have enough time to write the episodes to their full satisfaction. The production pace just doesn’t allow for it. Sad.

        • dickylarue

          You can tell. They’re being rushed and not thinking things through. I think AMC’s goal to split the season the way they do definitely rushes them. Breaking Bad and Mad Men, received time to breathe and work on how to do it better. That said, both of those shows had singular minds behind them from day one. Walking Dead is like the Harry Potter movies with a different voice on each of them until they just gave up on the last few and left it in the hands of the guy who directed those with, in my opinion, lackluster results. I’ve read they’re signed this current showrunner up for next season so this is the show for better or worse.

          • Mismarker

            I was going to reference BB and MM in my post but thought that might not be a true one-to-one comparison since they all have different production companies. AMC Studios was not even involved in the production of BB. Maybe that’s the key? I think Scott Gimple is doing the best he can with what he was given…as far as tying up the prison story that should have ended at the end of last season. I’m reserving judgment on him until the second half of the season plays out.

      • BeccaGo

        Re: world building: What I really want to know is who attacked that camp after the Gov & Co. decided not to raid it?

    • MilaXX

      Come sit next to me on the cranky bench. At first when he was talking about being abused as a child I thought we were going to get more attempts at Governor image rehab. Instead it was much worse. He showed his true colors and we’re supposed to care why exactly?
      Between the AMA’s and this, I wasted 4 hours of my life last night.

    • boweryboy

      I’ve stopped watching a third of the way into season two and never looked back. It’s too bad, because I really did enjoy the first season. Yet these recaps reinforce that I made the right decision.

    • Pennymac

      UGH. Heavy handed and full of filler. A big time waster. Like we didn’t know before the Gov and his new friends ran across the labeled, headless corpses that he was a “Rapist”, “Liar” and “Murderer”?

      If they gloss or skip over Daryl’s reaction to Ricks “Carol solution” after forcing me to slog through 2 hours of heavy handed “gasp” foreshadowing over shit I already knew, I’m outie. The only thing my cable subscription is now good for is the upcoming seasons of Downton Abbey and Mad Men.

      • cornpicker73

        were the trail of headless labeled dudes and then cabin trap bait/message from Michonne to the gov?

        • Pennymac

          I doubt it. I don’t think the writers were thinking that hard….I think it was *Cue evil music* PLOT DEVICE.

        • jjtxgrrl

          Prob not.

          But Thats brilliant, and I like the way you are thinking!! Too bad the writers aren’t….

    • BayTampaBay

      You are not out of touch withthe fandom. I have found this whole season, especially the lsat two “Govenor” episodes to be boring as hell.

      I want to know what is happening to the world outside of Georgia, was anybody really on the car radio heard after one of the supply runs, who is feeding the walkers rats at night (it better not be the damn Govenor) and what the hell is Carol doing/is Daryl pissed. This show just seems to go round & round in circles.

      • Daktari100

        Yes, exactly. The show seems to answering questions that no one is asking, For example, we now know that the governor is a psychopathic killer, in part, because his dad used to beat him. Who cares?! Then the show ignores the questions we’re really asking, such as the ones you outlined above. It’s all terribly frustrating.

        • Sonny

          It’s like how they ran out of flashback ideas on Lost and started doing episodes like “What do Jack’s tattoos say??” or “Can Hurley fix a van??”

          • turtleemily

            Although Lost had 24 episode seasons for the first half of the series. TWD shouldn’t have to be resorting to filler episodes.

      • AutumnInNY

        Absolutely agree. Who was on the car radio, where is Carol, and why do we have to wait 2-3 episodes to find out Daryl’s reaction? These are the better questions.

    • Daktari100

      You’re not at all out of synch with this fan of the show. I can’t stand the Governor and don’t care about his background or his future, except that I would be happy to see Michonne take off his head with her Samurai sword.

    • formerlyAnon

      “R.I.P. Martinez. We wish you’d taken your shirt off one more time before you left us.”

      Lines like this are why I read your posts on shows (like this one) that I quit watching long ago.

    • http://urban-gypsy.com/ Tess Danesi

      And to think I bought those two episodes on Amazon. Honestly, I checked twitter first to see if it was an all governor episode and contemplated not buying it. I kind of wished I’d saved the $1.99.

    • jjtxgrrl

      I’m cranky about it too. I’m liking the show I used to love, less and less.

      Meh. The Governor. Meh.

      • BayTampaBay

        The diminished qaulity of this show explains why AHS: Coven (with all its flaws as discussed indepth here at the TLo Institute for Trashy Tevelision Studie)s has done so well. I love a good “jump-the-shark” every episode (every scene for that matter) shows like AHS and The X-Files. I like being entertained

        What I do not like are shows that spin their wheels (even in quicksand) and get nowhere fast. The writing and plot development is so bad, there are not even any good onliners in The Walking Dead this season. This show has ceased to be entertaining.

        Therefore, I am just gonna sit back and wait for Coven to return in two weeks and Downton Abbey to return in January 2014.

    • AutumnInNY

      Agree with you TLo and other posters. The hour was so deadly I spent most of wondering where the Gov found that leather jacket he was wearing. He traveled pretty light and I don’t remember him making a stop at any abandoned malls.

    • Raven

      Could have made these two episode about what carol was doing. or tyrese’ group? or michonne before woodbury? if they wanted an intermission….

      michonne’s would have been great to see. right up to where they stumble into woodbury. even if it would eventually bring in andrea, but i found her with michonne alright. it would have been a great way to then bring in the governor attacking the prison. that’s her kill, after all. i’m gonna be one sad puppy if michonne isn’t the one to lay him to waste.

    • Trickytrisha

      I’ve hated.. HATED… the last two episodes. The show was ticking along until the governor became Brian and took over my tv set. I don’t want him as the fricking main character. The whole “let’s try to get the viewers to sympathize with him and redeem him” thing was so transparent and so bogus I didn’t buy it for a second. Bah.

    • Guest

      I haven’t minded the last two episodes but I haven’t enjoyed them as much as if the story they told would have been woven into earlier episodes.

      I have liked finding out what happened with the Governor after he, Martinez and Shumbert drove off. I like the character development of seeing him lose everything and rise from the ashes. I have also liked seeing the Universe offer him a chance at redemption with a new family and a second chance, only to watch him throw that chance away. The writers took the easy road by having him come full circle and not really change. I think a battle between Rick and a changed Governor would have been more interesting. Maybe they were trying to show us that there isn’t redemption for someone like him, there is “no going back” to reference something from earlier in the season, to be good is to be inherently weak. I feel like those bodies with signs on them were a reminder of the Governor’s sins: liar, rapist, murderer. I think we were supposed to view him as being conflicted and trying to work his way through the question of whether he actually could be a better person per the convo about “goodness” with Meghan. However, if that is what they wanted us to think, I didn’t buy it for a moment. I felt like from the moment he walked into Martinez’s camp, he was assessing them and planning to take out the leadership if he viewed them as weak, which he invariably did. It was almost as if he equates “goodness” or nobility with weakness and has to destroy that. While I don’t think he would ever want Meghan hurt (I do think he genuinely cares for HER–everyone else is a means to an end), I wouldn’t put it past him to have steered that walker into his own camp just to set the stage for the group helping him take the prison out of a fear for their own safety.

      I think I see the point the writers were making with these two episodes and their purpose in the character development of the Governor. However, I think the audience had to buy into the idea that he could change or would want to change.

      I do wonder if that really rough group—the ones who went in and slaughtered that camp—-will factor into being a future threat or were they there to simply illustrate the point that goodness is weakness. Can we see Carol getting in with a group like that?

      I feel like Hershel will be a casuality of The Battle for the Prison Part II. In the preview for next week that aired at the end of Talking Dead, when the Governor was addressing his new group he said something along the lines of “they [the prison group] will be missing their people soon” or something to that effect. Makes me think he takes out someone, but I don’t think it will be Hershel/Michonne because we see Hershel in the middle of a battle scene. Of course, they have tricked us before.

    • Emily Roach

      AGREED!! I was so bored, and then I felt pretty bad because all the other reviews have been “A+ genius great character study would do business with this TV show again,” while I’m considering quitting. I welcome your honesty (not that I don’t think the others were being honest about their opinions)!

    • KTBSN

      Have to agree. I was hoping for more news of the “outside world” this season, but we’re still stuck in Georgia and this story line really sucks. I couldn’t care less about the Governor and I had to fight to stay awake through the last two episodes. Next week should be a little more interesting on the action front but then it’s over til February and who’s gonna care by that time?

      • Eric Stott

        I was willing to give this new storyline a chance if it opened things up – but we’re right back to last season, only worse.

    • Chevalle

      I feel bad for these actors. They are very talented and are being given really quite awful material to work with. Nevertheless, they are incredibly committed to it. It is a shame that they have become so synonymous with these poorly-written characters. Andrew Lincoln is a talented actor. David Morrissey is a talented actor. It’s a shame that this is what they’re given to work with, and it in turn reflects on them poorly.

    • Pi

      I guess the whole “the trail has gone cold” thing means that Michonne didn’t come across Martinez’s camp, which seems to be 15ft. away from the prison. Or notice the tire tracks from when the governor came to peer at her through the woods. This show is getting obnoxious with the lazy writing. I’m about ready to call it a day with this one.

    • AutumnInNY

      I’m hating to think that this mid-season finale will end on the Carol cliffhanger and we’ll have to wait even longer–months for her story line to unfold. I sure hope that’s not the case and the writers pull it together for their diehard viewers and the sake of moving the story along after these last two grinding-to-a-halt episodes. What we know for sure-Gov & company prison invasion, and hopefully the Rick-Daryl scene we’ve been waiting 3 episodes for.
      What would be a huge drag would be to not resolve, or even address the “where is Carol” question after all this time.

    • Claudia Fernandes

      ditto

    • Claudia Fernandes

      not to mention the awful opening with little blond girl psychoanalysis

    • Badriya Al-Badi’a

      I’d be willing to bet that Carol’s been sticking around to protect the prison, even though given the boot by Rick, and will stop the Governor from shooting Michonne–and that will be her ticket back in, possibly after Darryl delivers a she stays or I go ultimatum.

      One positive thing about the episode was the utterly non-remarkable introduction of two gay characters and their apparent acceptance by their community. So there’s something.

    • Matthew Vella

      Well I guess I’m one of the few who enjoyed this episode! I was so glad that they didn’t try going for a redemption story, after everything he’s done it just wouldn’t have been believable for him to suddenly be a good guy. I thought it was interesting to see how he infiltrated the new group of survivors and snaked his way to the top. Ruthlessly ambitious

    • DinahR

      I’m a little late to this party — but I totally agree with this post! It’s no fault at all of the actor, but I don’t really care what the Gov has been up to. There are so many questions I do have about the show, that wasn’t even close to being on the list.

      But if we were going to spend some catch up time with him, could we have please sprinkled in some clues or insight into what the rest of the world is doing?

      I find it frustrating that no one — especially when the ZA was fresh and new — asks new people they meet ‘what is going on? what happened? do you have any news?’ or better WHY did this happen? It’s bothered me since Rick woke up in that hospital — he never really asked anyone how this all started. There was that bit at the CDC where we learned they are all infected — why not more of that? If I have to follow the Gov around for two entire episodes(!) why couldn’t he have gone to a government facility or run into someone that had some information about what was happening in the world? Did he ever go anywhere good with that helo? Maybe they could have given his characters some answers — at least that would have made these two hours a little more than a slow character study that went no where.

    • jennygirl73

      For the last three weeks I have been hoping this show would get better and it hasn’t. I DVR the show and would look forward to getting home from to watch it. The last three weeks or so….not so much. Watched this episode today because I figured I would “get it over with”.
      Really? we are going to rehash events again at the prison with another set of people? I enjoyed this show because of the dystopian vibe and relationships of the people, but as you have pointed out in the past, they hardly ever show how they really survive. And the few people left in this world are this stupid? Guy with a patch shows up and your two leaders are dead. Coincidence?
      And you know Rick won’t call the Governor out on his past sins in front of the new people. That would be too smart.

      I am trying to hang in there for when Michael Cudlitz (Southland) shows up, presumably in the back half of the season, but I don’t know if I can do it. I rather watch re-runs of Buffy at this point. What has happened to this show?????

    • R. L.

      I’m cranky too. Gee, Michonne couldn’t find Martinez and those guys while she was searching so hard? I AM OVER THIS STORY LINE. I am sick and tired of One Eye Bri. I would much rather know what Carol is up to and see her journey. The Governor is getting repetitive. And we had enough drama already going on without adding Gov back into the mix.