Mad T LOunge

Posted on June 16, 2013

Quick, let’s jet off to Singapore tonight, darlings!

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The Mad Men Attic Bar, Singapore

Granted, the band may make it difficult to watch the episode, but we couldn’t resist the name.

 

 

 

And people are still trying to parse meaning out of these things, even after Matthew Weiner admitted that they’re designed to not reveal anything substantial about the coming episode. Weiner also came right out and said this week that nobody is going to die this season. You would think that would dash the dreams of the Megan-IS-Sharon-TateOMFG crowd, but we doubt it even slowed them down.

Then again, when Matthew said Bob Benson isn’t necessarily gay, we responded with a 6-thousand word O RLY? so we suppose we don’t have a lot of room to be snotty about it. But we’ll always defend a well-argued and supported close textual reading placed in the context of the times over declaring certain fruits harbingers of death.

When Megan doesn’t get brutally murdered by hippie spree killers somehow winding up in her Manhattan apartment, we’re going to see massive temper tantrums online. Calling it now.

We keep saying this: Mad Men is not the kind of show that signals its plot developments through secret codes. This is not Twin Peaks or Lost. It’s an extremely low-key period drama with some slight soap opera touches to it, that frequently employs the literary technique of foreshadowing, which, for some reason, a lot of people decided to treat like a Da Vinci Code this season, rather than a simple storytelling device to give scenes more resonance and depth.That’s it. That’s all it’s ever been.

We realize there’s no small irony to us being the ones saying this, but it is possible to overanalyze this show and lose sight of what the creators are actually trying to do.

Harumph.

How’s your Fathers Day going?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • shoofly

    You guys are the highlight of my week!

  • http://piblet.tumblr.com/ Anastasia

    well said, T&L. it’s better to sit back and be in awe at the character development, rather than disappointed from misguided overanalysis. lol’ed at the “6-thousand word O RLY?” :)

  • CommentsByKatie

    I’m definitely one of those Mad Da Vinci Coders; it’s part of the joy of the show for me, even though I know it’s all wild speculation and I will probably be proved wrong. I try to stay grounded and relate the foreshadowing to themes and not plots, but I definitely get carried away.

    I’m typing this from my laptop in the coat room at the restaurant I work out because I love Mad T-Lounge so much! I can’t wait to get home and watch it!

  • Chris

    Well I’m not going to (hopefully) over analyze but I will speculate based on what I have seen in the preview. Just for fun.

    It looks like from some pictures that were just released that Megan, Don and Peggy run into each other at the movies. I predict the movie they are seeing is “Bullitt” with Steve McQueen. (Released Oct 1968)

    Joan is looking at a table full of professional “head shot” pictures used for casting actors. Since it looks like men I don’t think it’s for Avon but SC&P must be casting a commercial for someone.

    Betty is in black (which I don’t remember her ever wearing before) and gold which looks very regal and there is a box of Carnation instant breakfast and a glass of it behind her. Guess it was popular with adults.

    In the meeting with Ted, Cutler, Don and Roger Ted and Cutler are wearing their colors but Don and Roger are wearing blue and green- more conflict?

    Megan is wearing a lot of dark red and Pete has on a darker red tie, I’m sure it means something but I’m not sure what yet.

    I’m very excited for tonight’s episode. I hope Avon comes back and that Ted and Peggy get some meaningful dialogue. I really enjoy their working relationship and I hope to see more of it and of course more Bob Benson.

    • http://piblet.tumblr.com/ Anastasia

      Betty wore black–that would make for a good band name, huh?–in episode 308, Souvenirs, when she and Don went to Rome.

      • Chris

        You’re right! How could I forget that?! Good catch! All I could remember was the black Merry Widow underwear.

    • Little_Olive

      I see something in the combination of Betty in black + Carnation. Something of a rebirth, no?

    • Cheryl

      Don’t forget Ginsberg’s one-word line: “Bitter.” Either he’s describing us kittens, or it’s Passover 1969 and he’s talking herbs.

      • EveEve

        Bitte is also German for “please.”

    • Miss WKS

      They also could be seeing 2001: A Space Odyssey.

  • unpious

    My suspicion is that so many people are throwing out crazy theories this season because the Saga of Don Draper Can’t Get His Shit Together has just gotten so. Goddamn. Boring. And there hasn’t been enough Peggy/Joan/Sally awesomeness to counteract that dead weight, so people are spinning around things that aren’t real just to give themselves something to latch onto in that storyline.

    • MartyBellerMask

      Oh, I agree. So much time has been spent on a story that could’ve been told in 1/2 the time. Imagine what that storyline time could have meant to Ginsberg, Dawn, Betty.

  • MilaXX

    Home at last. I have one of those small watermelons that I’m trying to decide if I was to just be healthy and eat as it or put into the blender with some vodka and mint so I can get soused while Mad Men is on.

    Otherwise a pretty good day.

    • Chris

      Decisions… Decisions….

    • bxbourgie

      Blender. Vodka. Mint. Go!

    • PastryGoddess

      Watermelon is always better with vodka

      • Perditax

        Life is always better with vodka!

      • MilaXX

        Everything is better with vodka.

        • EveEve

          I like the way you drink. I mean think. No, I definitely mean drink.

    • NDC_IPCentral

      I have loads of extra mint from my tzatziki recipe, Mila, oh how I wish I could zing it off to you.

      • Guest

        .

    • Janet B

      My husband hopes you had an umbrella with your drink.

  • Alice Teeple

    Can’t wait to see what you guys have to say tomorrow! As for me, I’m going to go eat a meatball sub to pregame for Mad Men. xoxo

  • Musicologie

    Most of my usual viewing companions are going to be out of town next week, so we decided to move our finale viewing celebration to tonight. My husband and I are bringing deviled eggs, as we have to previous parties, because they’re always a hit. But we think they really represent the early sixties rather than the direction the series has gone this season. So, we’re bringing an additional dish that nods to counter-culture: “pot” brownies (dark chocolate brownies served in a terracotta flowerpot). It’s punny, but we’re too square to make the real thing.

  • Pennymac

    I worked in the yard all day, airbrushed my new art installation in a lovely shade of kelly green, and just realized that my flip-flopped feet caught most of the overspray. The look slightly gangrenous.Or mouldy. I can’t decide which. Time for a good smelling bubble bath and foot scrub! Mad Men Pajama party, y’all!

  • bxbourgie

    All I got from that recap was that Don’s in a turtleneck, and Joan’s wearing the same dress she wore the day the agencies merged. That’s all I got. I want to say Betty called Don about Sally, but who knows with these “next time on”s, for all we know those could be two separate conversations edited to look like one conversation.

    • MartyBellerMask

      I think Don is acting on Megan’s soap. That turtleneck, hair, and pose are just so… fakey.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    OOOOH! Finally I made it early.

    Let’s start with a slow gin fizz and let me take my seat.

    I never understood the whole Megan/murder theory. She was just wearing a stupid shirt that Sharon Tate wore. Big deal!

    I think the most drastic thing that’ll happen to Megan is that she quits Don and moves to California to further her acting career.

    • PastryGoddess

      And meets a director, gets preggo….AND MURDERED!

      sorry, I couldn’t help myself

      • lilyvonschtupp

        LOL!

    • LuluinLaLa

      That’s my guess, too. I think she’ll be offered a job out there and decide to leave him.

      • Cheryl

        That’s where Harry comes in!

  • lilyvonschtupp

    If…and I mean a big IF someone is going to die, it’ll be Sylvia.
    I don’t give a hootnanny what Weiner says. He’s just f-in’ with us.

    • Little_Olive

      I so don’t like her I can’t wait for her character to stop appearing. But then killing her off somehow makes her more important than I want her to be. I don’t know why, nothing in that character interests me.

      ETA (better late than never): It’s the character I don’t like. I don’t know and have no feelings against the actress at all.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        I don’t know. They swept Lane’s death under the rug pretty quickly, and he was a major character. Sylvia’s would hardly go without a blink from Don and moving on.

        • Cheryl

          I hope Dr. Rosen got that job at the Mayo Clinic and the entire Rosen clan can go with him.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Actually, I think someone will bump off Sylvia and pin it on Arnie. Arnie will be wrongfully convicted for the murder of his wife, and escapes from federal custody, then he will be declared a fugitive. He will then set out to prove his innocence and bring those who were responsible to justice while being pursued relentlessly by a team of U.S. Marshals, led by Deputy Samuel Gerard.

          • CommentsByKatie

            All correct, except Bob Benson is leading the US Marshals.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            After he’s done serving the tea.

          • nosniveling

            and Mitchell can fly them there!!!

  • NDC_IPCentral

    Hello, BKs, Maddicts and Tom and Lorenzo! I’ve been remembering my late father (gone 23 years) on FB and cooking up a storm – Chile-Braised Short Ribs (an Epicurious recipe) and Tzatziki (a Dannon Oikos recipe). I started the braise last night, making the marinade that is, my mistake, fire-engine hot with habanero chiles, since those were the only dried chiles I could find and I didn’t realize how incendiary they are. I may try to mellow sauce with some sour cream. The tzatziki was an inspiration this morning in an effort to cool off the braise. It will be a darn good meal that I’m about to have, with a toast of an artisinal amber beer to my dear ol’ Dad and the other dads I know in my life. None is or was a Don Draper!

    I’ll be looking forward to the 1968 shenanigans in an hour and a half, but I have some dishes to wash and a dinner for one to plate and savor.

    • EveEve

      I said good bye to my pops 22 years ago, He was a wonderful man, and was so young. Too young. Fathers Day is my day to sort through photographs and try to remember him as best I can. And also to salute all the great dads, granddads, godfathers, doting surrogates and uncles in my life – and ther are lots!

      We had smoked baby back ribs and ice cold lager tonight NDC, so you’re not eating and drinking alone!

      I’m hoping Weiner keeps his lawn mower in the garage tonight…it needs a rest.

      • Cheryl

        Back in Mad Men days, (I was married in 1969), I presented my husband with a meat dish, one vegetable, one starch, and a green salad every single night. Today I had a delicious sardine salad with raw vegetables and kidney beans (from dry, which I prepared myself). I only eat red meat once or twice a month. And I feel great!

        • EveEve

          Well then… you definitely need something strong to wash that down. Time for a bacon vodka gimlet. First one’s on me!

          • Cheryl

            Home-brewed iced tea sweetened with stevia!

  • Violina23

    My bitter kitten in training was born Friday! Everyone is doing well and yes, I intend to watch Mad Men from the comfort of my hospital bed before we head home tomorrow. Happy Father’s Day everyone :)

    • MilaXX

      Congrats!

    • DeniseSchipani

      Awesome!
      Congrats. When I had my first son 10 plus years ago, I was up in a chair 8 hrs after surgery clicking around the hospital TV looking for the West Wing, my Mad Men-style obsession of the early 2000s. You have to prioritize!

    • Cheryl

      Mazel tov! When I was born in 1949, my mom took advantage of the loose hospital rules to spend an entire week there (her justification? “It’s my last vacation for 18 years.”) and we went home, together, a week later.

      By the way, the hospital where I was born no longer exists, but Park East Hospital was on E. 83rd Street, the same street that Pete and Trudy lived on when they were first married.

      • FloridaLlamaLover

        Ah, the Halcyon days of childbirth, have a baby and get to recuperate for a nice period of time…my first was born in the era of “Have your baby and leave within 24 hours of the birth!” Lucky for me and for her, I had some medical issues that allowed us to stay there a total of thee days. My son was born in the days of “Have your baby and within 24 hours…or if you insist (because there have been lawsuits due to babies and moms becoming dreadfully ill after going home too soon) you can stay an extra day!”

    • EveEve

      Mazel tov! Starting the little one out in style! Glad to see they have internet access in hospital rooms these days. I want a do-over. >ok, not really<

    • bxbourgie

      That’s wonderful! Congratulations!!!

    • SRQkitten

      Congrats Violina for the addition to the bitter kitten club! Take advantage of the hospital to get as much sleep as you can!

    • MartyBellerMask

      Congrats mama!

    • UsedtobeEP

      Congratulations! Wonderful news. Hope you are recovering easily and that you get some sleep in the coming weeks.

    • NDC_IPCentral

      Best wishes, Violina! Happy Parents’ Day to you and your expanding family.

    • Violina23

      Thanks everyone! Mad Men… then sleep. Priorities indeed ;)

    • formerlyAnon

      Congratulations!

  • LiterateWonderful

    Happy Father’s Day, Uncle T and Uncle Lo!

  • Little_Olive

    I lovelovelove that you insist on what to me is the key to this show (and, may I add, I called form day 1): it is quiet, it is not about *things happening*.

    It is ironic that people are drawn to the show while refusing to see it for its main characteristic. Goes to show you how used (those same) people have become to the well-masticated, ready-to-swallow shows and movies.

  • Perditax

    Had a very 60′s evening so far. Watched ‘Valley of the Dolls’ for the first time (I know, I’m a terrible BK for leaving it till now) followed by the original ‘Stepford Wives’. Mad Men seems the perfect way to round it all off!

    • LaSylphide

      You’ve never see VOTD until NOW???? Good grief, what’s the world coming to? Ah well, at least you’ve repented your sin. ;)

  • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

    I definitely never thought the Sharon Tate shirt was ever as literal a signifier as Megan dying at the hands of hippies; at most, I thought it might foreshadow death in childbirth (which I still sort of feel is likely, because Megan’s so slim and sometimes seems so fragile). Looking forward to the ep tonight – I spent all day at the Jazz Age Lawn Party on Governor’s Island, so it’ll be nice to fast forward from the 20s to the 60s before a very 21st Century week of studying for the bar exam (via DVD lectures and online coursework bleah).

    • ShaoLinKitten

      Then she could be the Jane Seymour of Don’s life…

  • DeniseSchipani

    Just spent a good part of the last hour looking through my parents’ old slides (from 1957 to 1977) in preparation for making a 50th birthday photo book for my sister, and I was SCRUTINIZING our late-sixties glory. Man, oh man, the outfits us kids wore (many of them handmade by my grandma). So I’m Mad Men ready, I think.

  • girliecue

    Happy Fathers’ Day, Daddy T & Daddy Lo! Hope it was fabulous! And opinionated.

  • another_laura

    Happy Father’s Day, Daddy Tom and Papa Lorenzo! I wish my dad were here, he died many years ago, way too young. He would be just about Don Draper’s age. I wish I could watch this show with him!

    • Cheryl

      Another_Laura, my dad also was Don Draper’s age (born in 1922) and died young, in 1979. But he was the complete antithesis of Don, and I don’t think he’d like this show at all!

      • another_laura

        I think my dad would like the history bits and comparing me to Sally Draper, since I’m a couple of years younger than her. He was no Don Draper.

  • PastryGoddess

    I was going to watch True Blood tonight, but I don’t feel like it. The Billith thing was a bit stupid to me. I’m DVRing it and I might watch after the recaps

  • lilyvonschtupp

    BTW, where the hell is Phyllis? Did she go up a flight of stairs like the little sister in ‘Family Matters’ never to return again?

  • Judy_J

    I’m just going to sit quietly with my glass of wine and enjoy the show, unless something happens that I simply must comment upon.

    • Pennymac

      I say that every Sunday night. So far, I’ve commented every time!

  • LaFortunaStudio

    I am going on record now that I believe the show will end with Sally losing her virginity to xxxx (perhaps Glenn) as they are watching news coverage (perhaps Cronkite?) of the Altamont Concert.

    Lets start talking about the real point of this series – don’t the 60′s end at Altamont?

    • Cheryl

      No, December 31, 1969, the last night of my honeymoon.

    • another_laura

      In my view, the 60s didn’t end until we left Vietnam.

  • Perditax

    Just realised that if they hadn’t done a two hour first episode but split it for an extra week, the whole ‘Sally walks in on Don’ thing could have happened on Father’s day! Missed opportunity…

  • Not applicable

    I’m thinking. At least my dad isn’t don draper!

    • Perditax

      Thank God for small miracles!

  • Cheryl

    Interesting — they never start a new episode exactly where the old one left off.

  • Not applicable

    Mmmm… Vodka and oj for breakfast…

  • PastryGoddess

    OMG they Killed Kenny

    • lilyvonschtupp

      YOU BASTARDS!

    • CommentsByKatie

      FIVE LAWNMOWER ALERT

  • NDC_IPCentral

    KENNY!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    HOLY SHIT!

  • Pennymac

    Ken!

  • Not applicable

    Wtf with Kenny this year?? All the freak accidents?!

    • Perditax

      Maybe it will unlock another hidden talent?

      • Not applicable

        Getting away with murder does require talent

      • PastryGoddess

        Juggling
        Playing the trombone
        Knife throwing
        Magician

    • Kiki Reinecke

      Not freak accidents. It’s all wear-and-tear from handling the yahoo Chevy execs.

  • MilaXX

    Oh no! He pulled a Cheney!

  • MisScarlett

    I’ve BEEN Megan in real life. My heart hurts for her. I so know that feeling.

  • OrigamiRose

    Holy shite.

  • MilaXX

    Patty Duke show, more duality!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    OH MY GOD! THEY KILLED KENNY! YOU BASTARDS.

  • LauraAgain

    What??????????

  • MisScarlett

    You are a CREEP DAD DON. CREEP.

  • UsedtobeEP

    He just said nobody was going to die! Dang!

  • LauraAgain

    Nooooo! Maybe it was a dream??? About Kenny???

    • Chris

      He’s probably just injured and now Bob gets to move up at Chevy.

  • alula_auburn

    Am refusing to believe about Kenny yet. . .
    I love Betty’s “it could have been being held hostage by that burglar,”. . .poor Sally.

    also love Betty’s flat “why would I tell her that” to Don’s passive-aggressive weirdness.

  • NDC_IPCentral

    I had a cousin who went to Miss Porter’s.

  • Munchkn

    I’ve been watching To Kill A Mockingbird, but I changed the station just in time for Mad Men. I’ll hate missing Life With Father though. Atticus Finch reminds me so much of my dad right down to shooting a rabid dog. Scout reminds me of my mom who was a tomboy, too. They were even about the same age.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Oh God. Peggy & Ted are *that* couple. Puke.

  • P M

    Hello Harry lol

  • MisScarlett

    I’m gonna be so sad if all the death foreshadowing is Kenny.

  • alula_auburn

    LOL at Harry’s sunburn. Of course he burns like a lobster.

    (I say this as a pale redhead who needs 45 SPF to do errands and walk to the train.)

  • MilaXX

    Is Harry gonna take Sunkist and open his own firm in LA?

    • lilyvonschtupp

      Whatever takes him out! Racist pig.

  • Perditax

    No way is Harry going to listen…

    • P M

      shenanigans!

    • Not applicable

      Exactly…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    OOOOH. Caught.
    Nice.

  • Crystal

    ROSEMARY’S BABY.

  • PastryGoddess

    How convienent that Sally wants to run away from her fucked up life and Don is willing to pay for it

  • MisScarlett

    Movie theater!!! “Rosemary’s Daughter” perchance??

  • Not applicable

    Sweet! Rosemary’s baby!!! Love that movie!

  • Scimommy

    Uh. She doesn’t *really* have a date, does she?

    • siriuslover

      I don’t know. I took it at face value. Maybe she didn’t and just excused herself. But I kinda felt like she really did.

  • PastryGoddess

    Really Don, you are judging people…really

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Harry, take the Sunkist and RUN. As Don says, “move forward.”

  • MilaXX

    Watch Don get all crazy about the thought of Peggy & Ted. He may even rescind the Sunkist agreement

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      He just did. Good job.

    • Not applicable

      Seems that way… He peed around Peggy 9 years ago, that’s his territory.

  • alula_auburn

    ugh. . .why does every motorcycle and damaged muffler in town drive by during mad men when its 80 degrees and my windows are open?

    • PastryGoddess

      A spike strip would work

  • PastryGoddess

    Ah it’s looking like there’s going to be a conflict in the office

    • Perditax

      MUCH better than conflict in the bedroom!

    • Cheryl

      Can’t we all just get along? How about Cran-Orange? (Or Orange-Prune?)

      • PastryGoddess

        blergh

  • bxbourgie

    LMAO at that entire exchange. And you KNOW Don’s calling Harry to tell him to go forward with Sunkist because he HATES that Ted and Peggy are kicking it. Don SUCKS AT LIFE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Don is a hater of the first order. He’s a dog in the manger – he won’t (can’t) touch Peggy, so no one else can, either. Especially Ted CHAW.

    • Pennymac

      Ha! When I see it spelled correctly I say in my head, “Chee-ow.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

        I think of cough. Don had a cough until he started cooperating with Ted Chough.

  • bxbourgie

    Also I absolutely refuse to believe that they killed Kenny. I’m in complete and total denial. Kenny is not dead. He WILL live to tap dance again.

  • alula_auburn

    oh, they put Kenny’s eye out!

  • Pennymac

    LOLOLOLOLOL!

  • P M

    FUCK NO. Not his eye :(

  • Guest

    Phew, yet ew!

  • MisScarlett

    Thank you Lord. Love you Kenny.

  • Crystal

    And again, DON DRAPER IS THE KING OF THE FUCKING HYPOCRITES.

    You practically have a patent on infidelity. TED HELPED YOU SAVE THE SON OF YOUR MISTRESS AND HER HUSBAND WHO IS ALSO YOUR FRIEND.

    Give me a damn break. And get off your high horse, DICK!!!!

    I need another drink. Already.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    OMG. Poor Kenny. Get out. Get out NOW.

  • LauraAgain

    Relief! Kenny is alive!

  • bxbourgie

    Thank God he’s not dead. He’s depressed, but he’s not dead.

  • P M

    Chevy is killing me. I hate guns, I hate cars, I hate steaks lol

  • Crystal

    I’m glad Kenny isn’t dead.

    • P M

      One decent guy on this show…

  • alula_auburn

    aw, Kenny is crying. . .

    • lilyvonschtupp

      I felt so bad. They treat him like a red-headed stepchild.

  • PastryGoddess

    Pete’s scheming…I can see it now

    • Eric Stott

      Yes- but I think he genuinely envies Ken’s life, and that Ken feels he can just drop advertising. Pete has no other career option.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Wow Pete. Nice that you remembered that you had a kid on Father’s Day. How very apropos.

  • Not applicable

    Fucking hilarious! They tried to stop for lunch on the way to the hospital!! Thank you MW clients really do suck!

  • alula_auburn

    Maybe Pete is planning a suicide by Chevy execs. . .

  • bxbourgie

    And I can’t even with Pete trying to pull the account from under Ken. Pete is soooo desperate for anything right now he’s perfectly fine picking up the scraps of Chevy.

  • Crystal

    Oh Pete. You are such a hot mess that I almost hate you a little less. A little.

  • OrigamiRose

    “Great Caesar’s ghost.” Nice Ron Burgundyism.

  • PastryGoddess

    Ted is making a STAND

  • Wellworn

    Pete and Bob in Detroit. Hmmm.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Oof. When Don marks his territory he doesn’t play.

    • bxbourgie

      He lifted his leg and peed all over that Ocean Spray account.

  • P M

    Cutler is……… doing what? Oh Roger……….

  • PastryGoddess

    Does anyone in that room believe Don

  • MisScarlett

    Just realized, I’m sorta so preoccupied with Mad T Lounge that I’m distracted from this actual TV show.

    • MilaXX

      I tape and rewatch later

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    I sure she does have juice experience, Ted.

  • shoofly

    Juice experience? So, that’s what they call it?

  • Scimommy

    OMFG. Roger!!!

  • P M

    not good for anything but squirrels lol

  • P M

    I’d be lying – oh Pete please

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    WTF. They shot his eye out. Holding Lee Jr.’s balls is not the same.

  • shoofly

    I love Bert Cooper.

    • Not applicable

      Cyclops. Snort. Roger is pretty good too!

    • Wellworn

      Bert, the wisest one there as usual.

  • alula_auburn

    I love Burt Cooper for calling out Pete’ crocodile tears.

  • PastryGoddess

    And Bob goes under the bus

  • MisScarlett

    Quote of the night? “I held Lee Garner, Jr.’s balls.”

  • Crystal

    AAH IM STRESSED.

  • P M

    oh Bob :(

    • OrigamiRose

      Jim Cutler to the rescue.

  • P M

    Pete OWNED

  • Crystal

    BOB BENSON TRUMPS PETE. AHAHAHAHAHA PETE IS SO LAME.

  • PastryGoddess

    Cutler’s dick is mighty large

    • Perditax

      May he use its power only for good!

      • PastryGoddess

        Oh please what fun is that

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    OOOOH. Listen to Mr. Cutler, swinging his stick around.

  • PastryGoddess

    Ohhh Bob’s grown FANGS

    • Not applicable

      Love it. Kitten has claws!

  • P M

    You should watch what you say to ppl. WELL DONE BOB

    • lilyvonschtupp

      All is said with a smile. Bob is cold!

  • Crystal

    BOB BENSON WINS LIFE, FOLKS. HE WINS IT ALL.

  • nosniveling

    yeah Bob, stand up for yourself!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Best Little Boy syndrome rears its ugly head. Don’t mess with Bob, Pete. We all know how that will end.

    • Eric Stott

      I think that Bob may be filing away tidbits for blackmail.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

        I wouldn’t be surprised.

        • Cheryl

          It’s the orange stripe on Bob’s tie. Everything else he’s wearing is harmonious but that contrasting stripe.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

            Sunkist tops Ocean Spray.

        • Eric Stott

          They were willing to protect Sal (somewhat) but I doubt they’d do it for Pete

      • lilyvonschtupp

        I TOLD yall not to sleep on Bobbo!

    • Wellworn

      Bob is just trying to handle it well, to diffuse the situation. I doubt any deviousness is involved, just trying to save his job and save face after last week. I say well done Bob.

  • Scimommy

    Bob, that was… amazing. I want to be your friend right now.

  • Eric Stott

    Bob is DEVIOUS

  • lockmm

    Bob is the black swan to Pete’s white swan.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    “Lee Garner Jr. made me hold his balls.” Thanks Rog!

  • NDC_IPCentral

    Oh, well done, Bob! You are a corporate smoothie. I could have benefited from lessons from you, buster.

  • bxbourgie

    Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned!

    • Crystal

      Pete should have just let him hit it.

  • MilaXX

    Pete, my dear, you’ve just been served!

    • the_archandroid

      Such a sharp contrast here between Sal and Bob Benson, Bob simply won’t be cowed. Advances rebuffed? no big deal, but no one is going to rebuff his advances on becoming a key part of the company.

  • Cheryl

    Ooo — TLo on Twitter just referenced Ken’s eye patch with Stan’s picture of Dayan last week!

    • P M

      really???

      • bxbourgie

        As soon as I saw the eye patch I thought of that picture from last week. Off to twitter to see what my Uncles are talking about.

    • PastryGoddess

      That was fast

    • AutumnInNY

      I thought of the governor. I hope it’s just an injury and Kenny didn’t lose that eye.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Bob just served up some Working Girl realness right there. Get it, Bob.

  • annaplurabelle

    I hope Pete doesn’t end up shooting Bob Benson (or vice versa).

    • P M

      oh god please no

  • P M

    oh poor Sally

  • shelley514

    Bob Benson is not just the gay clearly!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Betty’s eating again? She’s on diet pills. Mystery solved.

  • P M

    PETE YOU SONOFABITCH

  • nosniveling

    Pete you turd!!

  • Crystal

    AAAH BOB SPEAKS SPANISH.

    • PastryGoddess

      That was the sexiest thing ever

      • OrigamiRose

        Seriously, I am still swooning.

  • PastryGoddess

    Game your momma Sally, Game on

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    You sneaky son of a bitch.

  • OrigamiRose

    Oh my god, what a douchenozzle.

  • Perditax

    Aw, he called him handsome!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Bobra Xtravaganza!!!!! Serve it up!

  • bxbourgie

    GTFOH! Bob speaks Spanish! Who IS this guy???

    • MilaXX

      Escándalo!

  • Eric Stott

    What ever his birth name was, it was NOT Bob Benson!

  • Scimommy

    What just happened? Why is he speaking Spanish? Manolo?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Yes. Bob was talking to House Mother Manolo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Joan is amazing. She knows what’s up. Love her.

  • alula_auburn

    OMG I want a meme of Don’s “wah!”

    • bxbourgie

      This MUST happen!

    • PastryGoddess

      That GIF needs to happen ASAP

  • PastryGoddess

    Joan is serving up some amazing bitchface back there

  • MilaXX

    Joan doing the Jewish accent. I died.

  • shoofly

    never waste a closeup

  • P M

    I can just see the steam from Don’s ears

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Ew. Stop. Peggy is so obvious.

  • warontara

    I live for Joan. That is all.

  • P M

    I don’t tell em what what to do. Oh Joan.

  • Crystal

    This headmistress bitch is scary.

  • shoofly

    THAT SPANISH FLY. LMAO!

  • PastryGoddess

    Pete’s life officially sucks

    • nosniveling

      because he is PETE

      • P M

        As much as bad things happen to him, he shits on stuff too.

    • Cheryl

      This episode doesn’t! It’s full of gooey goodness.

  • bxbourgie

    I need to know who’s going to win this pissing contest between Bob and Pete.

    • alula_auburn

      does Pete ever win anything?

      • Crystal

        So far, not really.

      • PastryGoddess

        He gets to hold victory in his hand for only a second before it gets snatched away

    • PastryGoddess

      You don’t cross queen Bob. Honey’s been thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone else.

    • Cheryl

      I wouldn’t mind losing Pete if we could have more Spanish Bobbo!

    • Scimommy

      I think we’ll find out.

  • AutumnInNY

    “I’m planning a voyage”…love Mrs. C!

    • PastryGoddess

      I don’t remember…Well played Mrs. C, Well played

  • crystal76

    Pete’s a very bad man!

    • Scimommy

      Si.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    “THIS IS WAR!!!! – Ted Chough

  • Mr.M

    Carla? Hmmm

    • PastryGoddess

      I was thinking the same thing

      • Mr.M

        If it is that Carla, am I correct in remembering that she never got to say goodbye to the kids? Something to do with letting Glenn BIshop in the house.

  • Therese Bohn

    I’m just glad Kenny isn’t dead…

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Bob, you should’ve called Pablo Escobar instead.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Peter, House Mother Manolo and Bobra Xtravaganza are nothing to toy with. Hide yo’ kids, hide yo’ mama.

  • shelley514

    I never bought that b.s. that Bob Benson was in love with Pete. He’s simply a schemer, corporate climber, insinuating himself into people’s lives to benefit himself. It’s the long con.

    • Cheryl

      But is he gay? Everything in up in the air now!

      • 3hares

        If he wasn’t gay he would be a terrible schemer. Outing himself is what’s getting him truly outed.

        • Lisa_Co

          I’m not even sure Bob is gay but he thought Pete was gay and was going to use that to climb the corporate ladder.

      • fnarf

        As TLo exhaustively pointed out, you didn’t pretend to be gay in 1968 if you wanted to live. I think the scene where he’s talking to Manolo on the phone in Spanish, and then says to Pete “Manolo doesn’t like women!” — these simply do not fit into any conceivable scenario of straightness.

  • alula_auburn

    ooh, evil boarding school girls. . .not good

  • P M

    oh god Sally

  • Mr.M

    Sally! Nooooo

  • Pennymac

    OMG My mother had that crewel work sunflower with the lady bug in our living room!

    • raininmai

      I had Sally’s suitcase!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Ouch. Sally is a little fish in a big pond, now.

  • Cheryl

    I put one of those groovy flower decals on my little white 1967 Datsun.

  • Mr.M

    Check out the new logo in the background

    • MisScarlett

      YES! Noticed that too!

  • Crystal

    DO NOT GO TO THIS SCHOOL, SALLY. I know your Dad is a douchecanoe, but this place scares me. You can come live with me.

    • Crystal

      On the other hand, I’d watch this spinoff.

      • DogintheParthenon

        Ha! Me, too!!

  • PastryGoddess

    Do not trust that “of course” from Don

  • P M

    Back me up, work with me Don. Oh please.

  • Mr.M

    ohhhhh

  • bxbourgie

    Creepy ass Glen.

  • PastryGoddess

    Is that Glenn?

  • MisScarlett

    Been wondering where Creepy Glen has been!

  • Perditax

    Again with Glen?!

  • Mr.M

    I am soooo grossed out.

  • MilaXX

    Of course she would call Creepy Glenn

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    All of a sudden Glen Bishop is….cool? And he just upped Sally’s cred by like, a million.

  • alula_auburn

    oh lord, was a tom collins the drink wee!sally learned to make in S1?

    • DogintheParthenon

      I think it was!

  • PastryGoddess

    Sally’s going down the rabbit hole

  • P M

    Those girls need to be kicked from here to China

  • OrigamiRose

    Oh no… Bob is a fake :(

  • P M

    OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Whoever said “the long con” below was so right.

  • Mr.M

    Bob is a fake. Literally Don Draper.

  • PastryGoddess

    Uh oh!!! Bob is about to get busted

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Bob Benson = Don Draper.

    • bxbourgie

      DAMN IT! I’m mad about it! I wanted Bob to be a cute gay! Now he’s a young Don Draper. And that sucks.

      • DesertRodent

        Bob is a cute, gay Don Draper. Who might manage his baggage better. Hope springs…

  • MilaXX

    Uh-Oh, the Don Draper comparisons will come pouring in

    • alula_auburn

      Pete’s already there.

  • Not applicable

    Holy shit Bob Benson!!

  • alula_auburn

    aw, damn, I liked TLo’s story way better. :(

  • Crystal

    I’M PISSED.

  • AutumnInNY

    Hope Bob has a good comeback. Hate to Pete score another Dick Whitman discovery.

  • OrigamiRose

    ARGH. Those freakin’ truthers will never shut up now.

  • Scimommy

    “I have.”

  • PastryGoddess

    I think Bob may bounce back somehow

    • Eric Stott

      He’s the next Draper

  • P M

    Srsly???? You should read my diary????

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Sally, Glen “knows” your little friend. He’s not yours anymore.

    • Mary Nease

      Rolo’s cuter anyway.

      • Mary Nease

        Though apparently an ass. *sigh*

  • crystal76

    No Sally don’t…

    • Cheryl

      Ewwww…boys…

      • NDC_IPCentral

        At that age, definitely!

  • Mr.M

    Bob Benson is quickly becoming the most intriguing storyline on this show.

  • Wellworn

    I called the BB DD similarities long ago. He seemed to me what Don was probably like when he was starting in the company and working his way up.

  • PastryGoddess

    I do not want to see Sally’s actual or metaphorical deflowering

  • Crystal

    SALLY DRAPER. WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING.

  • alula_auburn

    oh, God, “I’ve got good hands. . .” Ew. Poor Sally x 2.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    She is Betty’s child through and through. That little smirk said it all.

    • PastryGoddess

      She’s learned a lot from her mother

      • Perditax

        Much as she might hate to admit it!

  • shoofly

    Sally’s smile….

  • P M

    at least Glenn was decent

    • Cheryl

      and not so creepy anymore.

  • MilaXX

    Don’t know if it’s all costuming or puberty. Glenn isn’t quite so hiddy looking.

    • bxbourgie

      I thought it was just me. I didn’t want to say anything. I’m so ashamed.

    • Not applicable

      Agreed. Still prefers blonde hair tho…

    • PastryGoddess

      He looks much better without that pudge

      • Kiki Reinecke

        He reminds me of a young Alfred Molina.

        • gefeylich

          He reminds me of Kyle MacLachlan circa “Blue Velvet.”

  • Crystal

    When did Glenn become cool?

    Also, these three will be the Plastics if Sally goes to school here.

  • Chris

    Sally just became her mother Betty!

  • lilyvonschtupp

    WHAAAAAAAMADOODLE!!!! Who called Don 2.0 first?

    • the_archandroid

      lol..pretty sure it was TLo.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        I kinda thought that, too. But I swear I saw it here before.

    • Wellworn

      Me, several episodes ago. Might not have been first, but I did call it.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        You deserve a cuban cigar, my friend.

        • Cheryl

          Make that a Manolo [Blahnik].

  • alula_auburn

    Oh, Sally. She’s going to need a dozen magazine racks for all those issues.

    • Scimommy

      So far she’s dealing as well as could be expected, though.

    • another_laura

      Oh god, the “are you frigid”? Oh lordie, having a flashback to my teen years.

    • LauraAgain

      Love that line!!!

  • Not applicable

    Sally is quite the little manipulator!

    • P M

      But she did that as a defense for a guy who wouldn’t leave her alone, come on….

      • PastryGoddess

        She’s learned from the best

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Betty 2.0. And we see how well that turned out for her.

  • DeniseSchipani

    Sally’s the winner here. and I think she’s going to tell Betty ix-nay on the Miss Porter’s School.

    • P M

      She’ll wind them round her little finger. I can just see Sally in her Ray-bans, her fringed leather jacket and her swaggah, RULING that school.

      • fnarf

        Until she gets expelled in six months. Those iron ladies who run that school aren’t as naive as those girls think. Sally’s going to be riding to Woodstock in Rollo’s car in a year, and taking heroin within a year after that.

        • formerlyAnon

          Yes, though not convinced about the heroin. Sally’s going to be a control freak which might ensure her drugging is confined to dabbling. It will not escape her, if she has a chance to observe, that the chronically drugged are easily manipulated.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Not so sure about that. Sally needs to be in a place right now where’s in a power position. She established herself as a possible Queen Bee in less than 12 hours. That’s an attractive feeling when you are feeling powerless.

  • Eric Stott

    Creepy Glenn has gotten kinda hot

  • Scimommy

    Now may be a good time to confess I never found Glen creepy to begin with.

    • Eric Stott

      His acting skills have improved

    • lockmm

      I never did either. And I found his acting to be as passable as some of the adults on this show.

      • Eric Stott

        I think he was a bit creepy, being inappropriately attracted to Betty, but it was on purpose.

  • Cheryl

    Pete + Bob + Shotgun = Look out! Look out! Look out!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Yuck. Ted & Peggy matching each other. They even part their hair on the same side. Gross.

  • PastryGoddess

    Don is winding them around his finger and then WHAM!!!

  • P M

    Peggy knows what’s going on

  • MilaXX

    Don wants to be the white knight.

  • alula_auburn

    Don is such a shitweasel.

  • Wellworn

    OMG is Don really doing this?

    • PastryGoddess

      Of course he is. and it’s disgusting

  • Wellworn

    Whew, Don really wasn’t doing that. SAVE!

    • PastryGoddess

      That was not a SAVE, he did that shit on purpose

      • Wellworn

        Well, he pulled the dead partner card, but it worked, so I call it a save.

        • alula_auburn

          No, it was totally engineered to take credit from Peggy and humiliate Ted.

          • Karen in SC

            I kinda agree. Ted & Peggy were way too googly-eyed at each other. Even Joan had exchanged a telling look with DD after the roleplay.

          • Chris

            That’s because deep down Joan is never a friend to any woman, particularly Peggy. She is a very jealous and bitter person. No one has flirted in those offices more than Joan over the years. Don stabbed her in the back with Jaguar but she couldn’t wait to start trouble for Peggy’s commercial.

          • fnarf

            No, it was totally engineered to save the account. Ted and Peggy’s googly-eyes had lost it; he was just about to get up and walk away. Joan knew it, Stan and Ginsberg knew it, all the secretaries knew it.

          • Chris

            Don sabotaged the relationship with the client, directly sent the budget over to sandbag Ted before he could discuss it with them. Don didn’t save anything- he set up an uncomfortable situation so he could manipulate it and humiliate Ted and get Peggy’s name taken off the commercial. He didn’t want her winning an award in her name. He already won one using her idea before. He is the worst sort of person. He is death destroyer of worlds.

          • fnarf

            He had to send the budget over to save the account. You think the guy wasn’t going to find out that the price was $50k now instead of $15? Don’s instincts were correct here. Ted is quite simply not thinking straight at the moment, and they were going to lose the account because of it. Joan was pissed too, after that embarrassing little play-acting scene — great ad, but not within the parameters of the job.

          • Cheryl

            As bad as that commercial was (basing an ad for children’s aspirin on a movie about Satan) why did they need so many characters in it? They could have done something similar with just the mother and one other actor. Ted really did want Peggy’s commercial to be all about her. That’s kind of sweet, but also pretty dumb.

  • Crystal

    Oh Don. I was about to slap you. But ok. Nice save.

    • P M

      Peggy knew what he was doing

      • Crystal

        Yeah, I take it back. I’m slapping him right now.

  • Scimommy

    That. Was. So. Scary. As bad as Rosemary’s Baby.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    lols. And if anyone has wondered where Sally picked it up – there’s your proof.

  • alula_auburn

    Except that he’s cut Peggy off at the knees for punishment.

  • shoofly

    that bastard

  • bxbourgie

    I hate Don with the fire of a thousand suns.

    • Crystal

      He can eat a dick.

  • nosniveling

    nnnnooo, Don did it to break up Peggy & Ted

  • P M

    Note Joan’s costuming. Secretarial mode.

    • PastryGoddess

      right…It would be a shame if she regresses

      • EveEve

        And she jumped up to show the client to the door. Partners don’t do that Joanie.

    • bxbourgie

      It’s the same dress she wore the day the agencies merged. The blue suit with the colorful scarf.

  • Perditax

    So much for no new surprises!

  • Not applicable

    Dayum ….fixed the issue, made Ted squirm and took the credit from Peggy… One fell swoop!

    • Qitkat

      That’s the Don Draper we know and love! Love to hate/hate to love.

  • Sally

    Peggy is PISSED.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Or at least, not that head.

  • Crystal

    NOT EVERYONE IS YOU, DICK.

    • Wellworn

      I think Don is a little self satisfied right now that Ted isn’t quite the golden boy after all, and maybe he is a little more like Dick.

      • Chris

        Ted really isn’t like Dick. Don was sleeping with two of his secretaries.He created a position for Megan because it was her whim to be a copywriter and he was sleeping with her and decided to marry her. Ted was tempted but didn’t do anything beyond that first kiss when he was drunk. Peggy isn’t some secretary he randomly promoted, Peggy’s idea was excellent and Don has never had a problem wasting company time and money. Ted genuinely wants Peggy to succeed. Just because he is in love with her doesn’t mean her idea wasn’t good, he thought she was great when he hired her. Don wanted to punish both of them and humiliate Ted.Ted got humiliated when he wasn’t even cheating with Peggy but Don has cheated at everything in his life. Ted wanted to help Peggy win a Clio, Don won a Clio using and idea that was originally Peggy’s for which she got no credit. Ted did go outside the lines trying to help Peggy but I don’t think it was entirely because he loves her. Part of why he loves her is because she is so good at her job.

        • Alice Teeple

          Amen!

  • OrigamiRose

    Well, if anyone knows about impaired judgment….

  • PastryGoddess

    He brought Moira up

  • P M

    We’ve all been there, well not with Peggy. Ask your secretary?!

  • Wellworn

    Ted is thinking with his Dick Whitman.

  • Not applicable

    Well, he’s thinking with a different head… ;)

  • PastryGoddess

    Uh oh…Pete and Bob showdown

  • Mary Nease

    SMILING BOB
    THE ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION COMMERCIAL
    THAT’S WHAT BOB HAS REMINDED ME OF ALL ALONG

  • OrigamiRose

    I just wish Bob would plant a big smooch on Pete right now.

  • P M

    I surrender??

  • PastryGoddess

    What is going on between these two?

  • Mary Nease

    I am LIVING for this episode.

    • OrigamiRose

      This makes me SO mad that we have to put up with “The Killing” replay instead of a replay of this.

    • bxbourgie

      This episode is blowing my mind.

    • PastryGoddess

      I am DEAD!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    …Is Pete saying what I think he’s saying to Bob?

    • Eric Stott

      Pete’s playing the long game here – he’s going to let Bob have a lot of rope, and eventually he’ll hang him with it.

      • Cheryl

        Fine, just as long as it keeps Bobbo on my screen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

        Yep. He overshot his hand with Don. Don is self destructing on his own. And if nothing else, Don’s always getting by has pissed Pete off for the better part of 9 years. Pete’ll be damned if another one gets by him.

        • joything

          Agreed – I saw Pete finally learning to be a sharpshooter, not a cannon.

          • bxbourgie

            FINALLY! I mean I loathe Pete, something awful sometimes, but I feel sorry for him a lot because he’s always so temper tantrum-y that no one gives a rats ass what he has to say. This time he decided to play that long game. I almost want things to work out for him, but not at the expense of Bob.

      • housefulofboys

        but Pete could hang him right now, why does he have to play a long game? Or does he think that Bob’s skills at subterfuge will benefit him in some way? Or use him to get obstacles out of his way? I dunno.

        • Perditax

          I suppose Pete has to grudgingly admit that Bob is actually good at his job and other people seem to like him. This info puts Pete back in the position of power which is what he really needs right now.

          • Lisa_Co

            No, Pete is afraid of the damage Bob could do to the firm (Stirling Cooper didn’t check references? Hell, it sounds like NO ONE EVEN HIRED BOB!). It’s the saying, ” keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.

        • Wellworn

          Pete likes Bob. He might be conflicted about his feelings. He also knows that Bert backed up Don when confronted with Don’s past. Although Bob is hardly in any position of power. I think Pete is in denial, deep denial. I can almost see it on his face. Almost.

          • bxbourgie

            I don’t think Pete will end up in an affair/relationship with Bob, but I DO think that because he knows Bob is well liked, especially by the folks at Chevy he will use Bob’s relationship with them to gain status at the agency. Remember he’s been flailing all season long, in every aspect of his life. This is his chance on a premium account and having Bob there will definitely be helpful. Basically he can use Bob and treat him however he wants because HE now has power over Bob.

          • deitybox

            Yes! That was my read on the situation too. he came out after and surveyed his kingdom. At last, control ovrr something.

          • Wellworn

            They both might end up banding together to take over everything. When I called BB as DD a while back, I had a suspicion that BB was going to work his way up from nothing, like Don did.

          • siriuslover

            He even got hired in the same kind of bumbling way. Apparently it was Pete who hired Bob and doesn’t remember it, just as Roger “hired” Don.

        • Eric Stott

          Bob seems popular in the office right now & I’m not sure Pete has solid enough proof in hand right now – and if he even mentions Duck he’s lost. I think Pete is waiting for leverage – he wants to get Bob out, but he wants more.

        • Chris

          Because Pete tried outing Don and Cooper didn’t care. Pete just had a meeting where all the account partners told Pete he was less valuable to Chevy than Bob was. Cutler said he LIKES Bob (implication he doesn’t like Pete). Like people said Pete for once isn’t being impulsive, he’s playing the long game and not looking “petty.”

          • Wellworn

            I agree with you on this one. Maybe if Pete was more his old self, and not on this loser spiral, he would do something. But he is thinking big picture and long term. He wants Chevy and he won’t mess that up.

        • Tracy M

          I’m remembering Burt Cooper telling Don that he had the option to fire Pete for tattling about his identity, but that Don should probably consider loyalty being born in strange ways. Seems like Pete is playing this long game with perhaps a nugget of that wisdom. If Bob really is like Don, as Pete alluded to (having been through this before) then he might just be applying what he’s learned in 9 years at SC/SCDP/SC&P.

          • Wellworn

            I remembered that too (and commented on it earlier tonight). Bert Cooper really is the voice of reason. Pete must remember Bert’s response when Pete tried outing DD. Amazing that Pete is actually being this thoughtful, but there it is.

          • housefulofboys

            Just re-watched the episode, and yes it’s clear that Pete’s motivation comes from his previous experience with discovering the truth about Don/Dick.

        • not_Bridget

          Yes, Pete could destroy Bob. But would that actually help the company? Would that help Pete, personally? Bob is apparently fairly good at his job. Why not keep a grateful employee?

          Just once, Pete has decided not to be a sneaky little shit….

      • PastryGoddess

        Or he’s seeing how wonderful it is to be Don Draper without thinking about what has to be done to get there

    • EveEve

      Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. He has got Bob right where he want’s him – at the end of a 10 foot pole.

  • P M

    I’m so confused right now. What a strange conversation.

  • PastryGoddess

    This was fucking amazing!!

  • MilaXX

    Say what now? I guess seeing how trying to tell Don’s secret blew up in his face, Pete is just like whatev.

  • Pennymac

    I don’t understand…

  • NDC_IPCentral

    State of Michigan map on Bob’s wall! My Old Home State!

    • Susan_El

      James Wolk grew up in Farmington, MI and went to U of M. I assume the map was a nice touch from the set design department to the new most-fascinating character of this season. (Just as an aside, I grew up in Detroit….IN Detroit, before it got abandoned and everyone fled to the suburbs.) Nice to run into another Michigander here in TLo Heaven!

      • NDC_IPCentral

        Detroit is My Old Home Town, too (east side on the GP border), and I’m a Wolverine as well. There was a nice interview of James Woulk in the Sunday NY Times Arts + Leisure section. Mad Men does those thoughtful details so wonderfully. How Bob/James must have thrilled at Chevy and the visits to the (old) GM Building (where my sis was a GM exec for decades, including a good stint at the Ren Cen). Yay MI!

        • Cheryl

          I think Bob had a map of Michigan on his wall because he was a point man on the Chevy account. (Just like he might have had a map of California if he was on the Sunkist account.)

    • CommentsByKatie

      Another Michigander here! I have been so excited about the Chevy account and the few fake shots of Detroit; too bad it is in 1968 (and too bad the Chevy guys are almost as douchebaggy as Jaguar.)

  • MilaXX

    She truly is Betty 2.0

  • PastryGoddess

    Jesus Mary and Joseph…Betty’s a pretty good mom isn’t she

    • alula_auburn

      She’s trying so hard here!

    • fnarf

      Yeah, the way she shook her head and smiled maternally as her darling daughter lit up her first cigarette.

      • ShaoLinKitten

        Not her first one– remember what Betty did to Sally when she did have her first smoke? In the closet for you! How quickly we forget… or how quickly Don can make anyone else’s parenting look good!

        • swiss_miss

          Ehm, how old was Sally then? There are many, many things which many parents would punish a child harshly, but might allow a teenager to do. Do you want to say that Betty should have allowed Sally to smoke at that age? Of course, to our modern sensibilities its strange that she allows her to do so at age 14/15, but it really was a different time and I do think that Betty correctly assumes the secrecy would only make it more exciting. My mom was born in 1950, she always tells me how she thought her mother allowing her to smoke was good parenting. My mother stopped a few years later and is very anti-smoking nowadays, but she is convinced that if her mother had forbidden her to smoke as a teenager, it would have only made it seem cooler and more rebellious as well as hypocritical since my grandmother smoked too. However, my grandmother would never have allowed her to smoke as a child!

          • ShaoLinKitten

            No, she shouldn’t be smoking, but it is textbook bad, abusive parenting to lock your child in a closet. Sorry, not gonna budge on that one ;)

      • Munchkn

        My dad smoked in ’68 and he would have NEVER given me one of his cigarettes back then. It’s not that I never smoked, but he would never have encouraged me to start. I also never smoked in front of him or my mom. He quit in the early 80s.

      • Chris

        What Betty said was verbatim, what a relative used to say back in the late 60s and early 70s about her kids (teenage) smoking “I’d rather they do it in front of me.” Of course she was a smoker too. I cannot tell you how accurate for the time Betty’s response was for a lot of people. It doesn’t make it correct but it was pretty prevalent.

    • not_Bridget

      With Sally safely in boarding school, Betty will still have child-free weekends when the boys go to stay with Don. Sally staying in the ‘burbs those weekends would have cramped her style as the glamorous politician’s wife.

      No more free babysitting from Sally–but the neighbors will be impressed she’s at a prestigious school…

  • P M

    My father’s never given me anything. HEARTBREAKING

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Ouch. The line of the night. “My father has never given me anything.”

  • Not applicable

    Look at Betty beam with pride… Her little girl will go to Jackie Os school…

  • PastryGoddess

    Moira enjoyed twisting that knife didn’t she

    • bxbourgie

      I never liked her. Bitch.

      • Chris

        One thing Peggy can depend on is that the other women in the office will always resent her. Nice to know Joan is a good friend after dragging Peggy into her scheme and being saved by Peggy’s fake phone message. Boy Joan loved squealing to Don. Moira has been in a power struggle with Peggy (who probably wasn’t as aware of it) since the merger. It was fine when Ted was giving Moira a seat at the first partners meeting.

        • lilyvonschtupp

          I just want to smack her everytime she glares at any female coming in contact with Ted.

          But don’t worry-she’ll somehow get stuck in Don’s creepy web next season.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Never liked her either. From her disrespectful interactions with Joan to her over-territorial treatment of Ted. Back off gurl.

    • Not applicable

      I missed that… What did she say?

      • PastryGoddess

        Peggy asked when did Ted leave

        Moira said “right after you asked to see him”

        • Not applicable

          Wow.

        • Alice Teeple

          She was so smug, too. I have a bad feeling she and Nan are buddies or something.

          • not_Bridget

            Or maybe Ted had a bit of a flirtation with her, back in the day. Then he pulled his “alas, I cannot, since I a married man” act.

          • Chris

            Moira is extremely territorial,when it comes to Ted. She immediately butted heads with Joan using Ted as an excuse and Ted has literally shut the office door in her face when she was trailing after him. She has seemed to resent Peggy for a while, whether its because Peggy steps over her authority managing Ted’s time and schedule or because she is jealous personally we don’t know

          • Alice Teeple

            I can’t wait to find out.

  • P M

    I saved both of you

  • P M

    You’re a monster. YES HE IS

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

    Wow. Peggy & Ted really are matching – right down to the bits of green in their outfits.

  • alula_auburn

    Please, at this rate Don will burn the agency to ashes before he acts like a decent human being. You said it, Peg.

  • PastryGoddess

    Oh really a fetal position

    • Crystal

      Does your head hurt yet? Matt Weiner is hitting you in the head with a shovel.

      • PastryGoddess

        Is that what that loving feeling is?

        • Crystal

          Yeah. Love taps.

    • alula_auburn

      “waah! waah! waah!”

      • siriuslover

        I laughed hysterically at that moment.

  • MerBearStare

    I love that Don’s chickens have finally come home to roost.

  • Crystal

    Well. That was unsatisfying.

  • Perditax

    Don’s burning through his relationships pretty quickly!

  • Wellworn

    Wow, no preview at all.

  • alula_auburn

    aw, man, I can’t believe it’s already the finale next week.

  • Margaret Bridgeman

    “The Porpoise Song” by the Monkees. Sublime.

    • Thistle

      Yes, but what does it MEAN? This whole episode confused me.

      • fnarf

        In the movie “Head”, this is the song that plays when the Monkees commit suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. Lots of slo-mo falling (sound familiar?) and swimming underwater.

        • joything

          Not all of them, just Mickey. Love that crazy-ass movie … which was co-written by Jack Nicholson.

          • fnarf

            That’s right, just Mickey (who is the lead vocal as well).

        • Alice Teeple

          Oh my god – I love the movie “Head.” I was just watching it the other night! It’s such a bizarre, visually amazing, messed up film. One of my favorites.

    • fnarf

      One of the best songs ever, so purely evocative of its time and sensibility.

  • housefulofboys

    that was freakin amazing, it’s going to take me the next week to process what went on tonight before next week’s finale.

  • bxbourgie

    This show exhausts me. I feel like I hold my breath for an hour and at 11:00 I can breathe again and I wonder to my self WTF did I just watch. I LOVE IT! I think I’ll weep uncontrollably when the season ends and my Sunday nights will only be filled with the gloom and doom of knowing I have to start another week of work the next day.

  • Cheryl

    OK, here it is from TLo’s Twitter: Bob’s a GDD.

    • lilyvonschtupp

      What’s a GDD?

    • Pennymac

      Gay Don Draper!

    • siriuslover

      hahaha, when I was reading twitter while watching this week (since I’m in a different time zone I actually got to follow along for once), I thought it said GOD. And I scratched my head about that. Clearly I need my eyes checked.

  • Gianna Bruchi

    We’ve seen some attempts around the internet this morning to hang onto the theory that Bob is some sort of mole, con man or spy, but it’s time to give that one up, folks. People can – and will – quibble about where Bob fits on the Kinsey scale and whether or not he’s bisexual, but the point is and always has been that Bob’s sometimes odd behavior was explained away in the most mundane, real-world manner possible: he’s a man with a secret and that secret is he’s in love with his boss. In other words, Bob Benson fits perfectly into the world of Mad Men, after all.

    WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

    • P M

      Wrong??

      • lockmm

        Well, in a way Bob was a conman. I think the poster is referring to how TLo was kind of…snotty…when they were proven that their gay Bob theory was true. But they dismissed the conman theory too.

        I kind of wonder if there will be an acknowledgment that the Bob Truthers…were kind of right. Kind of.

        • siriuslover

          TLo didn’t dismiss the conman theory. They said, either in the post itself or in the comments section that Bob’s being gay doesn’t necessarily mean that he doesn’t have something conniving going on, but that people were getting way too OTT with the kinds of conniving he might be doing (CIA operative for example). The fact that he’s a newer, gayer version of Dick Whitman is a conniving of a sort, and perfectly in keeping with TLo’s analysis.

          • not_Bridget

            The major Bob Theories were (1) that he was a secret government operative out to get Deserter Dick. (Ridiculous because, by then, the government was after a younger generation of Guys Unwilling To Die In The War That Was Not The War.) Or that he was (2) Don’s vengeful son or (3) some kind of corporate spy.

            The theories were far more complicated than the truth: Bob really was just a guy with a secret who wanted to succeed in business. Now we know he’s got more than one secret. But he doesn’t want to destroy the company–he wants it to thrive & he wants his career to thrive.

          • lockmm

            Yea, that’s why I said this “the Bob Truthers…were kind of right. Kind of.”

            That doesn’t take away the fact, no matter how much people want to suck up to TLo (who I love) that they were quick to say that Bob Benson was just a closeted gay man who loves his boss and any one else who suggested otherwise were just clinging to impossible theories. I mean, the OP took a direct quote from them.

          • lockmm

            Um, this is their direct quote on the conman theory “We’ve seen some attempts around the internet this morning to hang onto the theory that Bob is some sort of mole, con man or spy, but it’s time to give that one up, folks.”

            Its hard to see that as anything but dismissing the conman theory.

            Additionally, I was just explaining what the OP was saying with their post.

    • PastryGoddess

      I think the idea that Bob is hiding his identity fits in nicely with the fact that he is gay. He’s already hiding a very important part of himself from the world. It makes sense that he’s hiding his true identity as well.

      Look what happened with Dick Whitman. He shook off the dust of his upbringing, invented a new self and gained money, prestige, and power. He’s also truly fucked up…but hey that’s what happens

    • not_Bridget

      Actually, Bob Benson might fit into the world of Mad Men quite well. He doesn’t really need an advanced degree to do the work–just a quick mind & charm. Apparently his work on the Chevy account was OK.

      Oh, he’s not the upper class sort that everybody had supposed? As Bert told Pete after he’d revealed Don’s secret back in season 1–”So what?” Bert let Don decide whether to fire Pete’s sneaky ass but said something about how loyalty can arise out of odd circumstances.

      And I’m pretty sure that Bob really is gay. He would have been glad to get close to Pete. Pete isn’t interested in that sort of thing–but sees that Bob can be an asset.

      • Pennymac

        Exactly. I think Pete didn’t threaten to spill the beans because 1. It didn’t work when he found out about Don/Dick, and 2.He recognizes that working with Bob will be good for his SC&P career because Jim Cutler likes him, and Jim was doing some big dick swinging at the meeting. (Oh, I just thought of this one)3. Pete can use the information to his advantage as leverage if needed. But I’m eagerly awaiting the recap. T & Lo’s Bob Benson theory is still perfectly sound.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      Uh…. no, genius. He’s still gay and he still made a move on Pete that blew up in his face. Sorry to take your apparently much-needed moment of triumph away from you, but you might want to re-watch that.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Now I’m stuck in a dilema. I would wait for the 12:00 viewing, but Charlie Chaplin’s ‘The Kid’ is coming on TCM. What should I do?

    • PastryGoddess

      DVR The Kid

    • UsedtobeEP

      Flip!

  • Wellworn

    I actually see Don’s point here. He shouldn’t have done this during the meeting, but instead should have called them on it privately. But maybe they wouldn’t have listened to him privately. If Ted and Peggy’s infatuation is affecting the work to the point that they are quadrupling the budget he can please her, notice he was more about making Peggy happy than the client, and more excited about Peggy than the idea, then it does make the agency look foolish. I had a feeling that Don would intervene with Ted and Peggy. Not sure his motivation is all about saving the company, but I could see when the merger happened, it wouldn’t go well with Peggy. He knows her too well and she couldn’t hide her feelings from him. Actually Ted has been more blatant in this episode than Peggy. And Don’s save in the meeting actually worked, I think.

    • UsedtobeEP

      And, Don gave Ted a big, long pause to come up with a good reason they pushed the client to accept the big budget that they did. I don’t know if it was calculated so much as it was, “Quick. Ted, come up with something!” But stealing the idea from Peggy like that was crappy.

    • shoofly

      Yeah, when I watched it, i thought: this is actually more devious on Don’s part because he’s right.

    • housefulofboys

      Don definitely has territorial/jealousy issues with regard to Peggy, but it doesn’t mean he was wrong about how obvious Ted and she were becoming. It was very clear that Ted’s motivations had everything to do with making Peggy happy, I’m not sure he was aware of it until Don called him on it.

    • Frank_821

      Yes Don was right in his “defense” of why he pulled that stunt. But reality he used it as an excuse to stick it to Ted in the worst possible way. Everything he did was way too calculated. It’s always been clear re doesn’t like Peggy’s adulation of Ted.

      It should be pointed out, Don engineered the reason for a “save” to begin with. He should have confronted Ted about the excess budget first and warned him then

      BY all rights they needed to be called out on how they’re coming across to everyone else and that Ted’s judgement is being impaired. But the way Don did it was totally scummy and narcissistic. Ultimately all he did was hurt Peggy and humiliate her again “for her own good”. So another relationship ruined by his pettiness and selfishness

  • JasmineAM

    I know that Don is an asshole and all, but Peggy is still having an affair with a married man. Her married BOSS. I found it amusing when Don was in the meeting with St. John’s (?). If you had nothing to hide, you wouldn’t be so pissed/guilty about it, Ted & Peggy.

    • ShaoLinKitten

      Is she having an affair? An emotional one, but I don’t think they’ve actually done anything physical past that one kiss.

      • shoofly

        And one more to come if the previews can be trusted (which they can’t).

        • Frank_821

          those scenes were from previous epsiodes. they mean more nothing than usual

      • Wellworn

        If it’s enough to cause office gossip, and make the client wonder, and also raise suspicion with his wife, then it doesn’t matter if they actually had sex. It’s an affair.

        • ShaoLinKitten

          You can’t help who you fall in love with. You can only help what you do about it. Ted is struggling mightily with this, so I wouldn’t place him on the same plane with all the dogs at SCDP who have had actual affairs. Yes, he and Peggy are being rather obvious, but I’m also sure that they didn’t realize just how obvious, until now. What they do from here on out is what will really prove if Ted is a “good man,” as Peggy wants to believe, or not.

          • Wellworn

            I agree that they didn’t realize how obvious it was to everyone. And yes, Ted is struggling with this. Maybe this snap him out of it.

          • bxbourgie

            Don was right, but he just could have pulled them both aside and been like listen. Easy on the googly eyes you two, but that’s not how Don operates. He was right. But he’s still a shit.

          • ShaoLinKitten

            Don is a shit– granted. But Ted’s look of pain and unease really helped sell Don’s story about how it was Frank Gleason’s last idea. St. Joseph’s didn’t feel manipulated, they were actually touched. While I’m sure Don was messing with Ted and Peggy, he also may have wanted that aura of verite to the whole ruse. And Peggy’s reaction (“You killed him!”) was totally OTT and pretty ridiculous. She and Ted deserved to have their noses tweaked a little. They were making everyone in the office queasy.

          • Frank_821

            Unfortunately, Don machinations robbed Peggy for credit of an idea and concept that she was very proud of. Her reaction was extreme but he was basically punishing her as part of his pissing war with Ted. It had less to do with what’s best for the company and more about that. They needed to be taken to task but Don’s attitude of the moral high ground was equally ridiculous considering how much his crappy behaviour has put the company at risk in the past.

            Don’s also gets extra shit points after Ted helped him out with Mitchell and there’s Don getting his way with Sunkist

          • Wellworn

            I don’t think Don gives a shit about credit for the idea. That shouldn’t be important in a client meeting. Big picture is, what is best for the client in that meeting. I do agree that he might have other motivations besides the company, and he might have handled it better, but he was right in many ways.

          • Chris

            Don doesn’t care at all about the company or the client (Teds client by the way) especially as he just went out of his way to ruin the new juice client Ted brought on board. Don already took Peggy’s idea before and used it to win an award, he knew how important it was to Peggy. He formulated a way to humiliate Ted and rob Peggy at the same time. He is the worst kind of person.

          • fnarf

            “Ruin it” with a competing account worth three times as much. Even Ted’s ally (and natural schemer) Cutler was instantly in with Sunkist. It’s a no-brainer — except to Ted.

          • Chris

            Ted’s objection (apart from Don persuing competing business after promising not to) was that Don wanted them to openly dump a signed client with an agreement, to take on a new client in a competing business. This shows everyone that not only is SC&P not loyal ,they are actively pursuing their client’s competitors. This is bad for their reputation and this type of sneaky disloyalty is how Don lost them the Heinz account. It was the money that won everyone else over.

          • Alice Teeple

            I agree with you, Chris. Ted is most certainly in love with Peggy, or at least was in this episode. Listening to him praising her, wanting her to succeed, putting her on the Ocean Spray account so she would still have something; making sure she got the credit she deserved and taking it personally when Don started sabotaging that, worrying about what he’d tell Peggy? Dude’s got it bad for her. It was such a contrast to Don’s behavior toward Peggy in the “Suitcase” showdown. This was another incident of Don doing the “right” thing for the wrong reasons. Those two were definitely playing with fire with the business…but Don was just being a dick.

          • terwin

            Sorry, I totally disagree. It all built up to that moment…Ted talking to Don by the elevators and waxing poetic…”You remember your first big idea, don’t you?” and “She can practically smell the Clio…” and going all the way back to “The Suitcase,” where Peggy is angry at Don for winning the Clio for Glo-Coat based on what she felt was clearly her idea. He totally screwed her again, and this time it was absolutely deliberate, IMO, because he’s so incredibly threatened by her relationship with Ted.

          • Chris

            Yes, that’s how I saw it too. It was entirely about hurting them and nothing to do with the client.

          • PastryGoddess

            Frank Gleason is dead so he won’t be getting credit for the idea. I can see them putting Peggy up for the Clio as a backhanded compliment

          • Chris

            No just Ginsberg who gets mad whenever his ideas aren’t used or taken as the best, Moira who has been jealous of Ted’s attention going anywhere else for months, and as usual, Joan. Don has driven secretaries out in tears, slept with and made a secretary a copy writer but Ted and Peggy giggling is suddenly a threat to the whole company?

          • Wellworn

            But they were acting like this during a client meeting. And running up the budget so that Peggy could have her idea. This was affecting a major client, not just typical behind the scenes office drama. This was worse than Don talking about the war last episode, which was a similar “not thinking with your head” moment in front of a client. Worse because it was about the work, not just small talk.

          • fnarf

            But Don’s war talk was much more dangerous, because it threatened the relationship with Chevy — a hundred times more important than St. Joseph Aspirin. Don is right in this instance but he’s indifferent to when he does the same thing or worse himself.

            There are no winners here!

          • Chris

            Don deliberately sandbagged Ted and the guy from the aspirin by sending a revised budget over so the Aspirin guy’s boss would even see it. A budget no one got to see or discuss first. It was deliberate sabotage. We don’t know what Ted could have gotten the guy to agree to if he approached him when he wasn’t angry about SC&P getting him in trouble. Ted wasn’t acting properly but Don deliberately made it a mess.

          • fnarf

            We’ve been over this — it wasn’t sabotage. It was TED who was sabotaging the account by flying 250% over budget without even saying anything. Don sent it over because they HAD to get it out in the open or they would lose the account. When was Ted going to tell him? When he got the first invoice?

          • Chris

            Do you believe that Don cared at all about the account? (and I’m not asking that sarcastically because I saw it as Don not caring at all about the account just using it as a way to hurt Ted and Peggy but I get the sense you think Don was acting for the “good” of the client) You think Don sending the budget over the way he did was the best way to proceed? Even though it went over their contact’s head and caused bad feelings? Do you think Don would have cared enough to get involved at all if it wasn’t to do with Peggy and Ted? Because it’s my understanding he wouldn’t. It was all personal but Ted for once doing something improper gave him an excuse he needed.

          • Cheryl

            Thanks to Don, they were able to get the guy to compromise on the budget. They had been in danger of blowing the whole thing. I’ve got to say, Don saved that account. Ted wasn’t thinking logically.

          • Chris

            Joan said the budget was around 35k and Don sent a 50k budget over on an account that wasn’t his, without discussing with the client and knowing the higher ups would see it. The client got in trouble with his boss and was furious because an unapproved budget was sent at a much higher rate. Even after being furious the client ended up upping the budget to 25k based on his sentimentality over his past relationship with CGC. I don’t think it’s crazy to think Ted could have gotten the budget extended by discussing it pleasantly and persuasively with the client if he hadn’t felt angry and betrayed. I don’t think Don cared at all about the client. He’s jettisoned much more important clients like Jaguar on a whim without consulting anyone.

          • housefulofboys

            Joan said residuals were 35K, they weren’t the whole budget.

          • fnarf

            Yes, that’s the added cost that Ted and Peggy were ignoring raised the budget from 15 to 50. Even now, at $25k, they need to trim the ad back drastically to make a profit on the deal, which is probably going to make it a crappy ad. The original one was perhaps Clio-worthy but THEY CAN’T AFFORD IT. You don’t get to make cool ads that cost several times what you get paid to make them, not for long.

          • fnarf

            It was $15k, upped to $25k in the meeting. They didn’t just make up the $50k figure — Ted and Peggy were over there spending that money right then and there. Joan knew it, but she doesn’t get to say anything. Don had to send that over — if he didn’t the agency loses $35k on a $15k account! Ted’s not going to be popular with the partners doing business like that. In fact, I think they’re still going to lose money on the deal.

            Add that to Ted’s flop with Ocean Spray and Ted’s obviously lost his way. Don is a wreck of a man but he knows business.

          • Chris

            I don’t think Ocean Spray was a flop. They got the account but Harry got Sunkist to commit to a more lucrative TV budget. Ted has been single handedly doing all the accounts including getting Chevy’s approval. It was Harry’s media strategy that made the difference with Sunkist. I don’t think Ted has lost his way. He was favoring Peggy on the aspirin account but that was his only “misstep” that was shown.

          • fnarf

            Even his partner Jim Cutler was off his side on Ocean Spray. Ted’s not thinking about business, period. He’s thinking about Peggy and his wife and kids.

            I, on the other hand, am thinking only about how much I hate Disqus.

          • JasmineAM

            Jesus Christ, you are defending Ted and Peggy like you have a personal interest in it. Haha.

          • Chris

            No, I just don’t understand how certain information is being presented on my TV screen that other people don’t seem to see on theirs. When did Ted let the Ocean Spray account “flop?”

          • fnarf

            I think he knew he had to. Remember, Ted and Peggy were headed over to casting, which was going to come out of their pockets, and was blowing up the budget all by itself, before any other costs were considered. Don was facing the possibililty that they were going to lose the account and get stuck with the casting costs with no revenue at all, not even the small amount the contract called for.

            Was Don deliberately pulling the rug out from under their romance? Yeah, sure — because their romance was going to hurt the agency bad. Peggy’s not Meghan; she’s an important asset, but (in Don’t mind, remember always that this is 1968, not 2013) she needs to be managed, and if Ted’s not up to the job because he’s in love, then that needs to be stopped, now or sooner.

            You are ignoring that everyone else in the office felt the same way — it was hurting the agency. Joan and Cutler in particular.

            You can say “Don did it too”, but hell, that’s practically the theme of the show — Don gets away with stuff others can’t. Again: 1968, not 2013. Peggy in particular is not on equal footing here — and she’s in danger. If she goes all the way with Ted she’s going to lose her job, for absolute certain. Ted’s a man, he can laugh it off.

          • Chris

            I guess we disagree on Don’s motivations. I don’t think Don cared a bit about the client or the agency. He dumped Jaguar because he didn’t like dealing with Herb despite it being a very important and prestigious client. The aspirin didn’t seem to be a make or break account. Dons never been concerned with money, he wasted a studio for a day to trick Ted back on the Honda commercial knowing they had no chance at the account and Roger couldn’t even say for certain how much the CA trip was, not even if it was more than 5k. I think Don knew it could be a winning commercial as Ted may be in love but he knows the business and he didn’t want Peggy to have that. I think you have a more positive view of Don than I do.

          • fnarf

            I don’t think you understand anything about my views if you think I have a positive view of Don. He’s a competent businessman, though — something that Ted has trouble with. Cutler was the shark in that company.

          • Chris

            I don’t understand why you think Don is the competent businessman while Ted isn’t. Don ditched Jaguar because of a personality conflict. He dumped Chevy and all the work on Ted. He basically checked out since the merger. Ted has been doing everything and very competently. All we have seen Don do is cause trouble lately. I don’t see where the negative view of Ted as a business person comes from and the positive one of Don.

          • Chris

            What client meeting was that? They were looking at photos with Joan. No client was there. It was very serious with the client, no joking because Don deliberately sabotaged Ted behind his back, jeopardizing Ted’s account. There is no comparison to the accounts, Chevy is the largest and most prestigious client either firm has ever had and it is at the beginning of their relationship. The aspirin was a much smaller long standing account that Ted had the relationship with for years. Don sent a budget over so the guy’s boss would see it and get mad. He went over everyone’s heads. Don doesn’t care about the agency or the client. He just wanted to destroy Peggy and Ted.

          • Wellworn

            When they were having dinner with Chevy.

          • Chris

            I’m confused I thought you were saying Peggy and Ted were acting inappropriately in front of the aspirin client. Maybe I misunderstood?

          • PastryGoddess

            Why are you taking Teggy so personally? You would seriously think they were your parents or something the way you are defending them.

          • Chris

            Because I don’t understand how facts presented on the show are misrepresented? I guess I can make up things that didn’t happen or ignore things that did. Disputing the interpretation of information given isn’t “taking it personally” but I can see based on your response that disagreeing with your interpretation of the show equals that for you. It would be nice if you could debate your point of view without making personal remarks.

        • Chris

          Well yes, it does matter if they had sex. Laughing in the conference room together is hardly the same thing as having an affair. The client didn’t wonder anything except about the budget. It was the office gossips, Moira the jealous busybody secretary and oh so typically Joan the troublemaker who mentioned it to Don.

          • PastryGoddess

            Joan didn’t have to say anything. Ginsberg noticed, the random account guy noticed, all of the secretaries noticed, basically everyone in the office noticed.

            I agree that Joan can be a troublemaker, but this time she was just saying out loud what everyone was thinking

          • Chris

            Joan didn’t waste a second complaining to Don about the budget etc. the only secretary who noticed was Moira, the one Ted had to shut his door in her face before, because she dogs his footsteps and probably has a crush on him herself, at the least she is very territorial with him. Don didn’t know anything about Ginsberg who gets annoyed whenever he isn’t being listened to, even when it’s just nonsense like in The Crash. He got mad because people weren’t listening to his ideas even though he knew they were all high etc.

          • PastryGoddess

            see my reply above.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            This is the moment where TLo would say:

            “GIRLS! GIRLS! YOU’RE BOTH PRETTY!”

          • Wellworn

            They have kissed and they were caught going to the movies together during a workday. I don’t think Joan was being a troublemaker, and I think Moira is more protective of Ted than jealous.

          • not_Bridget

            When Joan had her affair with Roger, she was extremely discreet in the office. I’ve never seen her as a troublemaker…..

          • Chris

            Stan is still gossiping about it and their standing affair was long over by the time Stan joined the agency so she can’t have been too discreet.

          • http://www.GiftedCollector.com/ The Gifted Collector

            Dr. Phil says (yes, I really am going to quote Dr. Phil here) that if you are doing or saying something you wouldn’t do or say in front of your spouse, then you are being unfaithful.

          • Chris

            Then every person in every marriage in the world is being “unfaithful” if that is the definition. If you asked every married person if they have ever done or said ANYTHING they wouldn’t do in front of their spouse the truthful ones would have to say yes. To compare that to what Don does is ridiculous.

          • fnarf

            We’re not talking about what Don does, we’re talking about what Ted does. I’m not interested in Dr. Phil’s opinion, but kissing, confessions of love, giggling together in front of everyone in the office, to everyone’s annoyance, and sneaking out for worktime movie dates is not ambiguous behavior. Ted and Peggy are over the line, and it’s hurting the agency. Whether or not Don is also a massive dick is immaterial; of course he is. But in this case, he’s right.

      • JasmineAM

        They were trying to be alone in the theater…to just watch a movie? The way Ted grabbed her waist was a dead giveaway, IMO, that they’ve gotten physical.

        • Chris

          It said the exact opposite to me. That little touch meant so much because they are not having a physical affair. If they were having a physical affair, why go to the movies? Why not go to a hotel? The movies were what they thought was an “innocent” business reason to spend time together. They are in denial about the emotional affair but it’s not crazy for creatives to see a movie during the day, both Don and Peggy have done it. In their minds it was a plausible reason to spend time together out of the office and still call it “work.”

    • siriuslover

      Wait, Peggy was pissed because she will not get credit for the ad and therefore cannot get the Clio if it wins it. She is not having an affair with Ted despite the fact that there are flirtations. Remember, she had a date after the movie. She went to the movie with Ted to show him the way to envision the ad. Yes, she likes him, and yes, he’s in love with her, but no, they’re not having an affair…not yet anyway.

      • fnarf

        “No, I have a date” was cover, to get out of having to go to dinner with Don and Megan. She didn’t really have a date; she was with Ted. They may or may not be having an affair, but it doesn’t matter, because every single employee at SC&P thinks they are.

      • JasmineAM

        She said she had a date, and then immediately after she left, Ted remembers he has to “go play catch”? C’mon, I like Peggy, but they were both so obviously lying. I don’t get why people blindly support Peggy so much.

        • siriuslover

          I don’t blindly support Peggy. I just don’t think they are having an affair…yet. We can parse the hairs about what constitutes an affair, but in my view they are not. What I do think is happening is that Ted is sublimating. He can’t fulfill his desire for Peggy because he’s committed to his family, so he’s engaging in this positive behavior towards her, and of course everyone can see it. I think Peggy is a bit blinded by her own adulation for him at the moment to pay attention to the signs, but I’m not “blindly supporting” her. Just interpreting the scenes in my own way.

          • Wellworn

            Ted and Peggy are both good people, and good people are not good at surreptitious behavior. They are innocent in that they didn’t have sex, but they do have feelings for each other. So they innocently don’t realize that the office is reading what is written all over their faces. I do believe it’s an emotional affair. My ex-husband had one with someone he never touched and it broke up our marriage, so I consider anything that takes someone’s heart away from their spouse an affair, sex or not.

          • JasmineAM

            I honestly cannot fathom how it’s not obvious to you that they’re having an affair. How is Ted committed to his family when he openly, heavily flirts with her? Was he committed to his family when he kissed her too?

          • siriuslover

            Because, I think they are overly-emotionally connected (what do they call it now, the office spouse?), but I do not believe they are having sex. I also believe they are not necessarily dating. They are perilously close to crossing the line, but I don’t believe they have crossed the line yet. As assholian as Don is, his comment has probably brought Ted’s recommitment to his wife back into focus. Sublimation isn’t working, because his professed professional support to Peggy is obvious to everyone but him. That does not mean that they’re getting it on. I believe that the real situation between them is ambiguous.
            ETA: When he kissed her he was drunk and upset. His marriage was already floundering (counseling). He apologized to her. He is trying to pull back but his feelings are too strong. I do not apologize for Ted’s behavior, but I can understand it.

      • Wellworn

        I doubt she had a date after the movie. She said that to throw them off the track, so to speak. So they would think she is dating and not infatuated with her married boss.

        • not_Bridget

          Peggy and Ted probably think that, since they haven’t been screwing, they are AOK. Nope. Their giddiness in each other’s company has been evident in the office–and we’ve seen that it hasn’t been good for business.

    • PastryGoddess

      Why are people arguing against the fact that Ted and Peggy having an affair (emotional or physical). I mean this is television, not real life. There’s no need to make up an alternate story when Matt Wiener all but hits us over the head with it. Mad Men is aces at foreshadowing, stop fighting the story being told to you

      Ted professed his love to Peggy
      Peggy defends him at every turn
      Peggy ran in to let him know the minute she was free from Abe
      They kissed
      Nan said something to him about Peggy
      and on and on and on

      What do you need, captions on the screen giving you a scene by scene narrative

      • JasmineAM

        THIS. The picture is so clear to my eyes. I don’t get how someone could think they aren’t sleeping together. It’s right there. Peggy is The World’s Best Person, so people should stop defending her blatant problems.

        • Chris

          Actually, the whole point is they are not sleeping together. If they were sleeping together they would be at a hotel, not the movies in the afternoon. They would not be laughing and joking with each other in the office. Because they are not having a physical affair they are not reigning in their enjoyment in each others company and are taking every opportunity to be around each other. They have mistakenly convinced themselves that this is 100% innocent. This is why Ted is so shocked when Don confronts him about his feelings for Peggy. Ted and Peggy think they are OK because they are obeying the letter of the law, not the spirit of it and no one knows or is affected by it.

  • Judy_J

    One line that jumped out at me…..when Duck said “I’ve never seen anything like it,” and Pete said, “I have.” I literally got chills. I was wondering when the whole Pete finding out about Dick Whitman thing would resurface. Excellent story telling.

    • LaurieS

      I paused, yelled out “BOB BENSON IS DON DRAPER!” then pressed play again.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Wah wah wee wah! The look on Ted’s face. Dude was about to have a heart attack!

  • shoofly

    “We’ve all been there…well not with Peggy”. Damn. Another shot at her.

    • PastryGoddess

      I actually didn’t see it as a shot at her. For all of Don’s sins, he didn’t want Ted to assume that he was saying Peggy slept around with her bosses.

      Honestly, if he hadn’t said that, it would have been worse

    • Wellworn

      No, he was reassuring Ted that he hasn’t been involved with Peggy. LOL why am I defending Don so much tonight?

  • deitybox

    Does the fact that Bob’s a fraud explode TLo’s whole “Best Little Boy” theory?

    • MilaXX

      I think it could still work. Perhaps his being poor and gay is what motivated him to take the assumed identity,

      • Vanessa

        If he is from West Virginia why does he speak Spanish so well, and does anyone know what country his slang was from?

        • Wellworn

          I speak Spanish (it’s not my first language but I am fluent), and he spoke it well grammatically but the accent wasn’t from any country that I could tell, except the US. I will watch again to see though. I think he knows Spanish well because he has a close tie to Manolo that we don’t know about, and he learned it from him.

          • fnarf

            Yes, that was good schoolboy Spanish, not native.

          • Selkiechick

            My guess is that they worked together at the “manservant” job that was mentioned.

        • MilaXX

          Either the parents could be Mexican immigrants or he learned it for a previous position No clue on the slang.

          • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

            His accent would have been much better if he’d had Mexican (or any other flavor of Latino) parents.

          • MilaXX

            I’m not sure we’re supposed to notice how good or bad his accent is. Nonetheless, I’m sure there are still a few more secrets about Bob yet to come.

        • ShaoLinKitten

          I wondered if maybe he and Manolo are both con men, and that’s how they know each other? Maybe they have been working together for a long time and that is where he picked up the Spanish?

          • fnarf

            Bob’s real career was as a manservant as well. I think working together, and playing together as well, in the “gay underworld”. God, maybe they’re partners.

          • Cheryl

            Perhaps his father was Thomas Barrow, who fled England because of the scandal caused at his old employer’s estate, and settled in West Virginia with his wife/beard/sister.

          • http://lauriekalmanson.blogspot.com/ laurie kalmanson

            downton abbey reference ftw

          • Qitkat

            Perhaps he met Manolo in Europe, and the con men relationship has resulted. It certainly calls into question whether Manolo really is a nurse.

          • decormaven

            Yes! It made me think of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Maybe he and Manolo have worked a few cons together.

        • LaurieS

          I grew up in WV. Guess what, we can learn things! The mountain air and cousin-marrying only impairs our brains a little bit, so we can actually learn things like forriner speaking!

          • fnarf

            For a white American from any state to speak good Spanish in 1968 was extremely unusual.

          • Cheryl

            But he learned from the best — my man Manolo.

          • LaurieS

            Don’t you think Bob, of all people, is going to be someone who would do something extremely unusual?

          • Qitkat

            Glad you got that in here!

            On a serious note, my oldest son spent his entire elementary/middle/high school years in West Virginia. Where we lived, in the Eastern Panhandle, (which is almost considered a bedroom community of Washington, DC), it ironically turned out to be culturally richer than the overwhelmingly white suburbs of Denver, CO, where his two brother finished school. In WV, he went to school with blacks, Asians, and a few Latinos. In Colorado, the two younger ones immediately noticed the lack of diversity, and found the kids snootier, more *privileged*, and less tolerant than their classmates in WV. Our family looks back at our 14 years living there with great fondness. And it’s beautiful too.

            I imagine that Bob is supposed to be from the western, or southern part of the state, which has seen the most poverty over the years, with coal mining being a large industry. They’ve got their share of *hillbillies*, as do a LOT of southern states. Yes WV is closer to being a southern state than a northern one, at least in mindset.

            It’s a really old, tired trope to make BB from there. But that’s me speaking from 2013, so in 1968, it was firmly in people’s minds, that everybody was related, and was a real hick. Hell, I was nervous about moving there from Virginia in 1976, just a few years later. What a wonderful surprise it turned out to be. Lovely people.

        • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

          Right? I’d love to know where/why he picked it up. His Spanish had a strong American accent, but he seemed almost fluent. He seemed to be using cabrón in its stronger and much more offensive South American sense of asshole (in Mexican Spanish, it can be an insult, but it’s more affectionate, like calling someone a scamp) and I thought the use of fregar over joder was interesting as well. Too bad he didn’t say chingar. :D

          • gefeylich

            Dude, I don’t know what part of Mexico you’ve been in, but here in LA calling someone a “cabron” might get you a punch in the mouth. Yeah, it can be used much the same as a joshing “asshole” or “dickhead” when talking to a friend, but if you call a stranger a cabron, them’s fightin’ words.

            That said, Bob was definitely using the word in the vein of “bastard,” “asshole” or “dick.” Not friendly – in fact, that whole speech alarmed me.

          • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

            I’m from the state of Sonora. Trust me, when my grandmother was calling me a cabrona, she was not calling me an asshole, even in a “joshing” sense. At the strongest, she was calling me a brat, but more in the sense of calling your beloved dog a brat as you cover him with kisses because he’s just so gosh darn adorable. :D I know this friendly usage is unique to Mexico in general and possibly Sonora in particular.

            In LA, you likely have a diverse group of people from South America, where it’s a much more offensive word, as well as Mexicans from deeper south who are more strongly influenced by the more vulgar usage favored by their neighbors. And with gangs like MS13 running around, even Mexicans used to the significantly friendlier usage of cabrón probably wouldn’t dare use it just in case.

        • Ma. Gabriella Dutari

          He spoke like an angloamerican who memorized some lines in spanish. Still, it was pretty awesome. ‘Cabrón’ and ‘hijo de puta’ are both words used equally in Latin America and Spain, but ‘fregando’ is a very common slang in many countries in Latin America (very mexican), I don’t believe is common in Spain. A spaniard would’ve said “me está jodiendo mi futuro” instead, I think.

          • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

            To use fregar was very Mexican, but hijo de puta is not; that would have been hijo de su chingada madre. I’m not sure where hijo de puta is used; I just know I’ve never heard it used (which isn’t to claim it’s not used at all, just that it’s not in common use by people from my tiny northern corner of Mexico) It’s a mixed bag of slang, but I find it very interesting.

            I wonder if it was modified by censors so as to not be considered too strong by predominantly Mexican Spanish speakers in the US, or if they just had Spanish-speaking writers/consultants from all over, or what. Either way, I loved hearing Bob Benson say cabrón. :D

          • Judy_J

            I grew uo in San Antonio, and I heard the phrase ” hijo de puta”, used mostly by Anglo guys….sort of the Anglicized literal translation of “son of a whore.”

          • gefeylich

            Exactly. Good call on the “fregando,” which in this case I think meant “messing my shit up.”

        • JasmineAM

          West Virginia, and the rest of the South, do have educated people. We aren’t all inbred hicks with no culture. I’m in Alabama and I know tons of people that speak different languages.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Aaaaaah West Virginia = 8 million people, 15 last names

            THANK YOU! I’LL BE HERE ALL WEEK! TRY THE VEAL!

    • joything

      I don’t think so. Being a Best Little Boy can mean Best Little Manservant and then Best Little Accounts Man. Bob is soooooooooooooo “The Talented Mr. Ripley.”

      • Scimommy

        Hopefully less murderous, though.

        • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

          Yes… “Hopefully.” :D

      • Selkiechick

        For now… I think working with Pete might inspire most people to significant acts of violence (or at least increase ones alcohol intake).

  • fnarf

    When those GM creeps turned on Ken and shot him, Mrs. Fnarf turned to me and said “Oh my God, they killed Kenny! You bastards!” (South Park reference). Thankfully Mr. Cosgrove survived, but he has sure sustained a lot of injuries out there in Detroit.

  • kipper

    YOU KILLED KENNY !

  • AutumnInNY

    No Stan tonight. Hate when that happens.

    • UsedtobeEP

      Just a tiny moment of Stan. His makeup seemed heavy tonight—random thought.

    • Crystal

      I love Stan. MOAR STAN.

    • HairyBearyGuy

      It’s a lonely Sunday without a few moments with the Stanaconda.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Does Megan ever wear the same thing twice?

  • kipper

    This is one that you really need to watch twice!

    • Wellworn

      Yes! I am going to go watch again, this time with full concentration, which means I will be cutting myself off of the TLounge. At least I don’t need a designated driver.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Mad Men is before my time, but I was amused to see that back in 1968 Nader was still raising hell!

    • Wellworn

      I wish I was young enough to say it was before my time, but I was about Bobby’s age.

    • fnarf

      Nader made his name with his book about auto safety, “Unsafe At Any Speed”, 1965, which specifically (and largely unfairly) targeted the Chevy Corvair. That’s the reason anyone has ever heard of him. The Chevy guys would obviously have had a huge reason to hate him, seeing as how he killed that car (which was unsafe, but no more than a ton of others).

      Speaking of Chevy, they can’t be enjoying their portrayal in this season, as drunk-driving, shotgun-blasting maniacs.

    • eb1966

      I think he’s come up before- mentioned by Pete sometime in Season 5?

    • not_Bridget

      Nader actually did some good work in the old days…

  • Miss WKS

    I have a total off topic query. I and my 2 offspring- both in their mid-20′s- have noticed a marked uptick of young smokers. ( And we live on the coast of California – a mecca of fitness and health-conscience thinking.) My daughter joked that it’s probably because of Don Draper. I said “hmmmmmmm”. Could this possibly be true?

    • UsedtobeEP

      It’s certainly possible. Also, they have started showing an Ecig ad here on the East Coast.

    • Cheryl

      I hope not. I think it’s one of the reasons most young people ever smoke — that it helps them lose or at least not gain weight. My dad (that’s him in my avatar) smoked ever since he was a teenager — in fact that contributed to his death at age 56 — but that completely turned off my brother and me from smoking. The smell alone – yuck. Not even the hope of keeping myself thin was enough to make me pick up that foul weed,

      • shoofly

        My dad, too, died at 57 from lung cancer. I can’t stand the smell of it. I *cringed* when I saw little Sally smoking.

    • Pennymac

      I don’t know about starting to smoke, but I’m already a smoker. Everytime some one lights up on MM, I light up too. Cough, cough!

  • HairyBearyGuy

    Not looking good for our boy Bobbie. Then Pete somehow one ups him? I’m so confused that I had to check to make sure I took the right meds at dinner. o_O

    Oh, and did anybody catch that Pete admitted to Bob that he’s gay? In the office, Pete tells Bob,

    “I’ve been awake all night wondering what you’d do when you found out?” **

    What do you think he was referring to? That Bob found out that Pete wears lifts in his shoes? That he’s a pinko commie? Pete the angry, Grimy Pimp surrenders, proclaims he’s off limits and wants all this to be very, very quiet.

    I can’t figure out why the information that Pete got from the PI or the Headhunter (whatever he was) fueled his decision to acquiesce. I still can’t figure out our boy Bobbie. Did he accidentally out Pete? Maybe Bobbie is some sort of Gypsy, Romani or Irish Traveler?

    **Edit- I now realize that’s not what Pete said.

    • EricaVee

      I heard that line as “what you do when you’re found out”—as in, what is Bob’s usual getaway plan?

      • HairyBearyGuy

        Yeah, just watched it in closed caption. You’re correct. But really, WTF happened there?

  • Cheryl

    Is it morning yet? I can’t wait for the recap! ‘Night, all.

  • LaurieS

    Is it weird that the person I was most concerned about this episode was Pete’s mother? I’m like, “NOOO give her back her Manolo, for God’s sake she looked fabulous and was happy!!” I also like that they’re secretly still talking and she lectured him about Bob!

  • Ma. Gabriella Dutari

    Best moments of this episode:
    1)Sally’s grin in response to “You like trouble”.
    2)Bob Benson speaking in spanish…chuchaaa!
    3)During the meeting, when Don said ‘it was all bit very personal’. I thought I was gonna fell out of my chair.
    Don has opened Ted’s eyes to how obvious their crush is and I don’t think it’s something that they’ll just try to forget and move forward, ejemp. Something’s got to happen. Peggy quitting? Ted quitting??? I’m clueless.

  • Sara Padilla

    Can’t wait for the TLo breakdown of Glen’s outfit.

    • HairyBearyGuy

      I think he was wearing those same Husky brand jeans that mother used to buy me from Sears and forced me to wear in public. Except mine were green. And plaid.

  • littlemissstrange

    Seriously, you guys……. Pete and Bob need to fuck. That CHEMISTRY.

    That is all that I have to say regarding this episode.

    • DesertRodent

      Pete will turn out to be bi. His problem has always been that he’s closeted from himself. Calling it now, if not next week, then next season.

      • littlemissstrange

        Or if not bi, a little more open to the idea of screwing Bob than he lets on… I think if he was still all right in his marriage, that wouldn’t be so, but as it is, his wife and his mom both hate his guts and he has no one else to turn to. I think he was considering Peggy, and he may try something with her to prove to himself that he’s straight, because he is that stupid.

  • JasmineAM

    I don’t get why people are so gung-ho about the Ted and Peggy affair, but the same people hate Don for doing the exact same thing.

    • Eric Stott

      Because Ted and Peggy really feel guilty about what they’re doing.

    • Chris

      You mean the countless affairs that Don has had while married to two different wives, often with other married women? Or the girlfriend he cheated on? He’s not even faithful to mistresses. When has Don ever had an “affair” that consisted of one kiss, some office flirting and a trip to the movies over the course of many months? The whole point is that while Peggy and Ted are clearly emotionally involved they are not having a physical affair and therefore think they are being pretty innocent. They don’t realize how they are being perceived by anyone else and their exuberance around each other at work is because that is the only time they are in each others company. If they were meeting for assignations at hotels in the afternoon like Don and Roger do with their mistresses they would be far more circumspect at work.

      I hope it doesn’t become a full blown affair because I don’t want Ted to be an adulterer and I don’t want to see Peggy as the other woman, particularly to man that has a family with small sons at home.

  • decormaven

    Whoa! I watch MM on ITunes, which doesn’t allow download until the wee hours of the a.m. Just watched the episode once, and ducked into TLOunge to get initial reactions. The moves in this one- wow. Off to rewatch again. Not sure what will happen in the final episode, but I am very nervous that Pete’s 22 is in plain sight in the office again. With emotions running high, that thing may be fired at more than a squirrel, and at very close range.