The First Time

Posted on November 09, 2011

Twelve hours later, and we still can’t quite get a handle on this episode. From that, you’d think it was unusually complex in its themes and structures or uncharacteristically vague in its conclusions, but it was neither of those things. In fact, it was a quite simple episode; the kind of episode that could be used to teach a TV scriptwriting class. Subplots that have been simmering since at least the start of the season reached the fore as the upcoming debut of the school play prompts a crisis in the minds of its two stars: how can they play the ultimate star-cross’d lovers if they themselves are virgins? This allows a great deal of the characters’ histories to come into play (Santana and Quinn weighing in on the idea of sleeping with Finn; Karofsky showing up out of the blue to force some unexpected closure on Kurt) and introduces conflict, as Rachel and Blaine’s plans to do some cherry-popping instead manage to put strain on their relationships. Add in some story time for a beloved peripheral character like Bieste and the introduction of a possible new antagonist in Sebastian, sprinkle it with very well staged and performed selections from West Side Story and you’ve got what should be a perfect episode of Glee. On paper, at least.

So what’s our problem? We don’t know; bored, we guess. It wasn’t until the very end of the episode that we started saying what we’re saying here: that it was all good on paper. The rest of the time, we were barely engaged with it. It’s like the show was doing what we’ve always said it should be doing; it’s just that it wasn’t doing it all that well. All the character actions and interactions pretty much made sense; a lot of the plot was picking up on things already established (Bieste’s insecurities and romantic inexperience, Rachel and Kurt’s reluctance to have sex); the storytelling was being spread around among a half dozen characters at once — if you read through our Glee archive, you’ll see that we’ve been asking for some variation of all of these things all along. We’re almost embarrassed to admit that, given how lackluster this episode felt.

We’d like to say the musical performances ruined it, but they really didn’t. Nothing can make us love “Uptown Girl,” but we have a feeling the Warblers fans out there were squeeing with delight (although the staging, with the ridiculously cliched “hot teacher,” was embarrassing). The rest of the numbers, the ones from West Side Story, were at worst, well done, but we’d go so far as to say a couple of them were masterfully done. It was a lot of fun seeing the cast unleashed on a number like “America” or getting to see Santana get her Anita on. We can’t say we’ll be rushing to iTunes this morning to be making purchases, but we appreciated the effort and artistry on display. Rachel’s Maria wasn’t as bombastic as some of her detractors predicted back when it was a question of her and Mercedes; she brought the lightness the character needs.

But the pacing here was off and several things got paid off in a very predictable way or strangely, didn’t get paid off at all, given the big setup. It seemed odd to us right from the beginning that the school play was ready to go. So much time was spent on the idea of casting it and then the idea of saving it, then … nothing and suddenly, opening night. Didn’t it feel, back when the casting of this show was spurring on major character arcs as Mercedes leaving the glee club, Kurt dealing with typecasting and a more talented boyfriend, Mike defying his father and trying out for the show, didn’t it feel back then like the school play saga was going to be a little more … we don’t know, explored than this? We got a 2-second shot of Mercedes grinning in the audience as payback to the high drama of seeing her storm out of the production. We got some very brief scenes between Mike and his father and Mike and his father’s empty chair, but no real shots of him dancing, which is what fueled all this drama in the first place.And don’t even get us started on Karofsky. At the beginning of the scene, we had a warm glow and were loving the closure for Kurt (even as we wondered if this is all setting up the long-rumored bomb-drop to come), but the more we listened to Karofsky, the more annoyed we got. He just dropped out of nowhere and sprinkled instant closure on Kurt, completely changed off-camera and grown into an entirely different person somehow. All that buildup and tension last season and now it’s “Oh, hey. I’m happy and well-adjusted now. Sorry about all that?”

And the sex stuff, which has been built up for a while with both couples, was kind of boring and played out exactly the way you’d think it would play out. Rachel approaches things selfishly and Finn pouts because of it, then they make up. Kurt has what looks to us like an increasingly ridiculous, bordering on unrealistic (kind of like his wardrobe this season), attitude about sex with Blaine. Blaine does something straight out of the airhead prettyboy handbook. Blaine gets drunk. Kurt gets mad. Then they make up by staring into each other’s eyes and talking really close. Hasn’t this all been done, done, and DONE by now with these four?

BELIEVE US, we are not asking for more breakup drama, especially from the heterosexual side of things. It’s not that we’re rooting for these 2 couples to stay together, we’d just rather that for once, they toned down the breakup/makeup cycle (even if it is fairly accurate to teenage dating) and let them have their senior year together. We can’t say we’re loving the introduction of Sebastian. We initially liked the idea of a male bitch character to rival the many female bitch characters on the show, but he was all but wiggling his eyebrows and rubbing his hands together with glee. A little more subtlety and a LOT more humor is called for with this character. Take a page from the Santana playbook. That girl’s a MEGA-bitch but we can’t help loving her.

In fact, maybe that’s what our problem was here. The humor side of things just wasn’t grabbing us. It all felt a little too “teen melodrama” in the CW mold. Maybe we have to just take this one for the grownup’s team. Glee has a problem built into the very structure of the show, which was designed to appeal to both kids and adults: sometimes it comes up with a plot or story that doesn’t allow them to straddle that line. Sometimes you have to just let the creators do an entirely kid-friendly (not in a “language and content” sense but more of a stylistic one) episode. Of course we’re going to have a more cynical take on sex than any of these characters and any of the contemporaries watching at home. Maybe the kids really got something out of this episode – and maybe they should have, given the subject matter – but we found ourselves pretty bored with the entire effort and totally puzzled at the way they advanced certain stories. That shot of grinning Mercedes pisses us off the more we think of it.
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  • Anonymous

    I keep forgetting to watch Glee. I’ve enjoyed the show, but I think that’s significant, in some way.

    • Anonymous

      You have a bad memory?

      If you made it through Season 2, there’s no reason not to watch this season, which has been pretty good so far. I don’t disagree with TLO’s criticisms, but I think they underplayed just how good the musical numbers were. “America” was easily one of the best numbers the show’s ever done.

      • Sobaika Mirza

        I’m hoping they do the Gym Mambo! It’s a bit too dance-heavy for Glee’s usual fare but I would squeal of happiness.

  • Sobaika Mirza

    I was annoyed by the shot of Mercedes too. It’s not as if her being in a new singing group can wipe away two years of resenting Rachel. And yeah, very CW feel to this episode. Maybe Ryan Murphy’s packing all his bite into American Horror Story.

    Was anyone else dying at the cast’s Puerto Rican accents?

    • Anonymous

      Yes. Puck. Dying. How did that not get a mention?

    • Anonymous

      The accents actually redeemed it for me! It was as if they were an actual high school cast for the first time!

    • Terence Ng

      Considering that whenever someone did a number in the classroom, they’d suddenly all forget to act like they’re upset with one another and start smiling and clapping and laughing only to revert back to their characterizations at the end, I don’t find the shot of Mercedes surprising. All this is is the Glee room, except bigger. So whatever drama Mercedes has, it gets deleted while listening to a song and dance like some weird siren song laced with Soma and Lithium. Then she’ll be back to being angry outside in the hall once the music stops. #GleeMakesNoSense

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T35HMSKKAKENAUTFI7YHOBDONE Bibiana Beardsley

        Mercedes was smiling during Santana’s number. She is still friends with lots of people in the cast; why is it unusual for her to go to the play to see them?

        • Terence Ng

          If the leading role is so prominent and so important (in a production essentially run by the teacher she snapped over) that she severed ties with her favorite extracurricular and then joined a group designed to compete with that group while simultaneously pulling people away from that group to join hers, it would have been nice to at see her at least resentful and gradually warming up if she HAD to be smiling during the performance. Isn’t it odd whenever they do songs that members in the audience just turn on these glassy nothing’s-ever-happened-between-us smiles?

          I always interpreted it weirdly as the actors being recorded enjoying their co-star’s performance and not actually being them in character strangely being out of character. That’s the only way it makes sense to me, and even then, it doesn’t, haha.

    • Anonymous

      Rachel wasn’t the only one onstage. I can see Mercedes enjoying the performance and the rest of the glee club even while holding onto her resentment of Rachel.

      I couldn’t get past how bad Puck’s accent was.

  • http://twitter.com/hmbscully Wendy

    Pitch perfect assessment. I found myself fast-forwarding through bits b/c it was just so obvious what was happening, I didn’t need the dialog. But I watched the ‘America’ performance with a huge smile on my face. Love ‘West Side Story’ and I performed that song myself back in high school swing choir, so it was a fun memory. I think this is why I LOVE the ‘Glee Live’ tours so much, it’s all the awesome performances without all the high school angst.

    • Anonymous

      I thought the TLo summary was spot on too.  I kept thinking, Why am I so uninvolved; there are all these important plot points?  The musical came up very suddenly.  Some of the performances were good, but I grew up hearing the Original Cast recording of West Side Story; nothing I’ve heard has ever been as good as that.

      I don’t always feel that way.  Take Hair.  There’s an Actors Fund of America benefit recording that has versions by Raul Esparza and Adam Pascal that I prefer to the original.

  • Anonymous

    I actually thought it was an interesting episode that explores the human psyche when it comes to losing one’s virginity. The songs were also all good and I loved watching Santana bring her Anita on. The episode was overall much better than last weeks.

    • King Dex

      I liked it too. Didn’t feel the disconnect about seeing Karofsky at the bar and finding him so well-adjusted. It may have been a neatly wrapped package for the show, but after he was called out last season and expelled from the school, he and Kurt did have an honest moment in the principal’s office when they were left alone. Even then, it seemed Karofsky knew the jig was up (especially to Kurt), and he admitted he was fearful of the consequences of his burgeoning homosexuality. 

      I loved the integration of the songs of West Side Story throughout the episode. It is my favorite musical, so I may be biased, but I loved the editing and directing choices that were made. Santana singing “A Boy Like That” while Blaine is being propositioned by Sebastian. Rachel remembering Finn while “I Have A Love” hits the high notes (the best part of the song) –  ”One Hand, One Heart” while BOTH sets of lovers do finally consummate. I really thought they were going to drop the ball on that one – the gays ( I mean me) never get the happy ending in film or television. I loved Kurt’s subtle touching of his own hand after Blaine kisses him and tells him his fantasies are hot. I loved the quick shot of Rachel’s heels rising when she kisses Finn – small, immediate details that kept the story moving with a soft passion. 

      I’ll give it up to you guys that showing Mercedes with a big ol’ grin at the end was unnecessary. She really shouldn’t have even gone to the play. But after seeing her in the audience with that cheesy smile, I decided she was beaming for her friends (not Rachel necessarily but maybe Santana and Brittany). As for Mike and his Dad, I think stylistically it plays well for the Dad to be out of the picture frame. He is emotionally detached from his son, and his absence helps the viewer feel this as well. But I do like any opportunity to see Mike’s character dance, and I missed that from the episode last night. 

      So for me, it was much, much better than last weeks show – the best of the season so far. Sue never even showed her face, and I didn’t realize that until just now. If I’m not wondering where she is, I must be feeling entertained.   

      • Anonymous

        Sue never even showed her face

        It was a pretty adult free episode — other than Coach Bieste and a tiny bit of Emma. That may’ve contributed to the kid-friendly feel of it. Leaving Mr. Shue out was a giant plus for me.

      • http://twitter.com/crush_onyou crush on you

        [I loved Kurt's subtle touching of his own hand after Blaine kisses him and tells him his fantasies are hot. I loved the quick shot of Rachel's heels rising when she kisses Finn - small, intimate details that kept the story moving with a soft passion.] This.

  • Anonymous

    Rememer the show “Love American Style” – usually two or three stories packaged in a single show with plenty of grade B guest stars? That is what this episode of Glee felt like. It was a whole lot of story lines hled otgether under a Glee banner. I also found it a bit dull…but not as dull as the last season of Project Runway.

    And suddenly we have a show all ready to go. Nice West Side Story numbers but there could have been more drama about putting a show together. Of course, the one night they go to a gay bar, it just had to be drag queen night. Seriously? Who is writing this stuff?

    • Anonymous

       Ok, that gay bar looked exactly like one I went to in Akron, Ohio about ten years ago (I was underage, too.  No one cared).  Sad drag queens and all.  I was happy they got some realism there, at least!

    • Anonymous

       Ok, that gay bar looked exactly like one I went to in Akron, Ohio about ten years ago (I was underage, too.  No one cared).  Sad drag queens and all.  I was happy they got some realism there, at least!

    • Terence Ng

      Some bars are always drag queen night.

    • Anonymous

      I completely agree with the Love American Style reference.  I haven’t been watching much this season but have been kinda keeping up with the plot here.  Another subplot that no one’s even mentioned is that Finn’s dreams came crashing down around him and he will be stuck in Lima for the rest of his sorry life.  But, hey – sex with Rachel!  So everything is OK. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YWTDP6GPZ6AHIX32R2YETIVCJY Zach

      Lol…what’s so unlikely about there being drag queens? The gay bar around here has drag queens pretty much every night of the week performing…

    • Anonymous

      Love American Style had the best theme song!!

      • Anonymous

        And to think the Cowsills turned it into a hit single. Those were the days.

        • Anonymous

          I remember watching it over at the babysitter’s house on the corner and eating fiddle faddle out of a bowl on a tv tray table….California 1970 something.

  • Anonymous

    The main plot point, Blaine and Rachel’s need to have sex to inform their performances, wasn’t brought about in an organic way.  I can see Rachel coming to that conclusion herself, her narrowing in on some flaw in her performance, but Artie telling them that they need to do the deed for the sake of the show?  It’s far fetched and it soured the rest of the episode. 

    • http://firstvine.wordpress.com/ Tom

      I don’t know about that, if we had seen more of Artie directing maybe his telling them wouldn’t seem far-fetched. 

    • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

      So true.  Like teenagers don’t know what it’s like to have such strong feelings without having sex?  Hello?!  They are teenagers!  But you are right that Rachel’s warped mind could have come up with it to improve her performance.

    • Sobaika Mirza

      Agreed. It would work to have Artie point out something missing in their performances and have Rachel make the leap to sex on her own. She’s quite capable of that.

      • Terence Ng

        Isn’t also backpeddling on Artie’s character, given how hurt and sensitive he was about having sex with Brittany and finding out it was motivated by something less than their feelings for one another?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T35HMSKKAKENAUTFI7YHOBDONE Bibiana Beardsley

      What is ridiculous is that Tony and Maria were probably virgins, anyway. They weren’t meant to have had sex. So who cares if the actors are virgins?

      • Anonymous

        Amen to that. I certainly never got that the whole show was about sex. I think Artie let his hormones get the best of him there.

      • Now I am The Bee

        That’s exactly what I thought.  Even after the “One Hand One Heart” scene in the bridal shop–they are virgins until the rumble when they send the night together and Anita walks in. 

  • Pinup Ghoul

    I thought it was really sweet that Finn unselfconsciously referred to Kurt as his brother.
    That’s about it. The rest of it just felt, like you said, rather CW.

    That, and Blaine really needs to wear some cute socks with his short pants and pennyloafers. I couldn’t stand the blatant autotuning during the warblers piece. I hate autotuning in general (it’s a personal bias for which I absolutely refuse to apologize), but it was so, so…. NOTICEABLE in this piece. Argh.

    • Anonymous

      It was sweet he referred to Kurt as his brother.  Weird that he referred to his mom as Carole, though.

      • Pinup Ghoul

        You’re right, that is weird. I hadn’t noticed it!

  • http://twitter.com/Jacklaudia Susan Rudzinski

    I haven’t watched yet and need advice. Can I watch this one with my 4th grader? She saw the puberty movie at school yesterday, so she’s definitely growing up, but I can’t tell from the summary if she’s grown up enough for this one. She watches some episodes and is limited to musical numbers on others. Which approach should I take here?

    • Sobaika Mirza

      Hmmm I wouldn’t think so. I think it depends more on her individual maturity and understanding of sex. I wouldn’t let my little cousins watch it, if only so I didn’t have to answer awkward questions.

    • Anonymous

      There is no visible sexuality, just some cuddling scenes and innuendo, if that is a concern. 

    • Pinup Ghoul

      I guess, if I were a parent, I’d rather watch something like this with my child, where they can ask me questions and I can give them honest (but still age-appropriate) answers. If she has friends that like the show, she’ll probably see it at one of their homes, so it’s best to be there first to give her some perspective on the issues brought up. But ultimately, that’s up to how mature you feel she can be about the subject. There are many very frank discussions of sex, both blatant and romantic. If you feel that she can handle that sort of thing with a sense of maturity and understanding about it, then sure, I don’t think it would be a problem.

      But I don’t have kids, nor much experience with them, so I just see them as small adults. I’ve given several voice lessons to pre-teens and whatnot, but that was always in a very controlled learning environment. So, any advice I give regarding children should be taken with a grain of salt at best.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I have 3 and I still see them that way — I think people have a tendency to treat kids as what they think childhood should be rather than what it is. 

        My 5 year old and I watch every episode together and it’s brought up a lot of subjects which I think have been good for her.  We haven’t had the “why” talk yet about sex, but my 7 year old and I have.  It’s part of the “this has serious consequences” talk for me.

    • Anonymous

      Wow.  I don’t think I’d go there.  There was a good message, i.e. “make sure you do it with someone you care about the first time, but let’s just say that there will probably be lots of questions.  Different strokes, but if you were my girlfriend I’d tell you not to watch with her.  Maybe you can catch the musical sequences somewhere?

      • Anonymous

        I have a fifth-grader and, no, I’m not going there with her.  Not because it’s graphic–from what I can tell Glee folk have sex fully clothed–but because she’s not really up for the whole teen-age virginity discussion–i.e. why people have sex as opposed to how people have sex.  Like most kids, she’s still a bit shocked by the whole idea. Fourth and fifth graders are at that age where they’re doing some early, primitive flirtation.

    • Anonymous

      4th grade might be young. Depends on what you’ve already talked about in your house. You might want to just watch it without her and then decide.

      My daughter is 12, and quite frankly, one of the only reasons I even watch Glee anymore is to watch it with her and discuss it. Boy did I pause the Tivo several times this episode, especially when Artie was talking to Rachel and Blaine…and coach Bieste about sex.

  • Anonymous

    My DVR ate this episode.  Is there still anywhere to stream it — without paying for it?  And is it worth the time?  Sounds like all I’m really missing out on is the introduction of a new character, Sebastian?

    • Terence Ng

      Sidereel

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=737623794 Karen Downer Herbert

      Fox.com has the episodes, may be a waiting period, but I’ve watched missed epi’s there.

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        Fox changed their policy this year. If you have certain service, you can watch right away. If you don’t have the service, you have to wait eight days after the first showing of the episode.

  • Anonymous

    Oh I hear you guys. I liked the episode but wasn’t as engaged by it as I had hoped to be. The Karovosky encounter was a bit too pat. He’s still in the closet but is at peace more than he should be about it. It would have played better if some of his fear and anxiety still showed. Personally I would like Kurt and Blaine to eventually break up. Not in teen angst melodramatic soap opera kind of way. I would like their relationship to simply take its course. Relationships with your first love rarely lasts and Kurt and Blaine’s is a little too teen fantasy for my taste. I’m 1 of those people who think Kurt would have a more interesting relationship with someone like Karovsky. It would have rough patches and moments of exasperation but it would feel more real

    Speaking of “first loves” I did like the small moments featuring Mike and Tina. I liked that his dad is pissed and it will take a while, if ever, for him to come around. And I responded to Tina’s speech about when she and Mike had sex. When you tie in the episode “Asian F”, it makes you realize what was originally treated as a running gag has developed into a great couple who get and support each other. Even if they don’t last, you know they’ll likely handle any breakup with maturity

    • Anonymous

      where was Mercedes during the first time discussion?  She has a boyfriend.  Why couldn’t she have given her thoughts ( We’ve decided to wait.  It’s to early in our relationship to have added DRAMA!)

      I would have liked for my grandchildren,  nieces, nephews, and other African American children to have been aware of a maturing black girl making a decision for the future.

      • Anonymous

        In the world of Glee, Mercedes’s love life is pretty nil. I really feel like they just cast someone as her boyfriend so that they wouldn’t have to really consider her anymore. She’s been Lisa Turtled IMO.

      • scottyf

        And, this week, in the role of Angry Black Man: scottyf

        She’s a black character in a show written by white people. She doesn’t matter. 

        If we want a prime network show that explores the lives of young people of color in an unconventional way I think we have to start petitioning Shonda Rhimes.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Oh, Scotty, I know you are a better actor than that!  You are not hitting the Angry Black Man stereotype well AT ALL!  You are still much too reasonable…

          And it’s not just that she doesn’t matter; it’s that she is written as a white girl with flavor crystals.  As black teens almost always are.  It’s never shown how much more maturity most young (non-troubled teen) black people have — the world isn’t going to give them as much leeway or as many chances (and their parents aren’t going to cushion as many blows for them; often because they just don’t have the chance to) as white kids and they know it. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=720742723 Sarah Winningham

      The moments between Karofsky and Kurt always feel realer than anything else on the show, this had better not be the end of him. I also felt pretty cheated that they just magically made all his growing and adjusting happen off screen. Is it sweet or gross that he dresses exactly like Kurt’s dad now?

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Neither.  He’s just looking for an identity like most kids.  He chose a good one to imitate, too.

  • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

    I loved the musical performances (West Side story is my fave), but I agree that a lot of the plot seemed contrived to close up loose ends.  Mercedes definitely would not be grinning!  Trust me, when I don’t get a part I want, I don’t like watching someone else do it so well.  And the fact that she could have shared it but turned it down?  We should be seeing a different reaction than grinning.  And hello?  Could we see Mike in all his glory since it seemed like it was an important plot point?  I figured we would build up more an have  the musical in a few weeks, with more drama before we got to the performances.  But I did like seeing Beiste get a boyfriend.  You go girl!

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said: how can they play the ultimate star-cross’d lovers if they themselves are virgins?”

    That story arc reminded me of that famous/infamous anecdote about Dustin Hoffman and Laurence Olivier on the set of Marathon Man. Supposedly, after Hoffman stayed up all night, a few nights, before doing scenes where he had to play the character having been sleepless for a few nights, Olivier supposedly said to him, “Why not try acting?”

    –GothamTomato

    http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2561006

    • Anonymous

      Agreed – WSS is the best! Just about every song is a classic. I was in it when our high school performed it and will never forget!

    • Anonymous

      My dentist just told me that story when I brought up marathon man…..I know, every patient probably does.

      • Anonymous

        No – I bring up little shop of horrors.  I mentally hum “be a dentist” through most of my visits.  And I like my dentist.

        • Anonymous

          That one came up, too.  It was a two-crown chair session….

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      I’d never heard that story before and I love it:)

      Personally, I’ve never been a West Side Story fan.  I think because it was based of Romeo and Juliet and I HATED that play — absolutely the most overrated Shakespeare ever. 

    • Now I am The Bee

      ITA about WSS.  The songs are the best, but the score itself is outstanding.  I’ve noticed that the music behind the song, and the melody of the song itself, often have nothing to do with each other!    It’s very much like a Wagner opera–where the singer  has this haunting melody–and the orschestra is palying something completely different and complex. 
      This happens in WSS especially at the dance at the gym.  Gives me goosebumps.

  • Jyl Ayres

    I was annoyed that Rachel didn’t want her mother’s support on the sex issue.  It just seems natural that that’s who a girl would turn to. Maybe I’m just projecting.  Why haven’t we met her daddies yet!?!

    • Anonymous

      I’d think she would not want her birth mother’s support because, she isn’t really her mother – she was adopted so her real parents are the couple who adopted her.

      As for not meeting them yet, I’m hoping it happens and I’m guessing when it does, it’ll be a fun bit of stunt casting. 

      –GothamTomato

      • Anonymous

        I was hoping we might see that last night.  Surely Rachel’s dads would have been front and center watching their daughter play the lead in WSS?

        • Anonymous

          I know.  For supposedly having entered her in singing contests as an infant, Rachel’s fathers have been strangely absent her entire high school career….hoping we get to see them before she’s off the show

    • Anonymous

      I hope it’s  really fun when the dads appear. But I’m beginning to think that Rachel’s phantom dads are going to become a t.v. series trivia tidbit.

      Because when you’ve poured so much into helping your little princess pursue her aspirations to musical diva-hood, and she’s seen performing on a stage virtually every week, it goes beyond the standard “t.v. teens with mysteriously but conveniently absent parents.” It is absolutely bizarre that we’ve never seen a proud parent in the audience, the presentation of a first night rose or even a dad’s back as he delivers a congratulatory hug. 

      • Pinup Ghoul

        Oh man, that’s so sad, I’d never considered that at all. Where are they?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K7VOQSAYZ7H2OBX6LOJNNIBSSE Amanda

    Wasn’t the guy who played Beiste’s love interest in that 80′s movie “Can’t Buy Me Love?”

    • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

      Yep!

  • Patsye Peebles

    From the standpoint of an older grandmother, mother, teacher who sometimes cringes for the blatant sexuality of Glee (another generation, remember), I was pleasantly surprised by this episode.  I thought it was sweet, and the emotions and reactions rang true for high school kids, except for Artie basically telling them to go have sex.  Now, do I want my own grandchildren watching it for a model of high school behavior?  NO!  But it pleased me that they brought both the heterosexual and gay couple to the point in the same show and portrayed it as loving and caring rather than cheap thrills.  And they reinforced doing it for the right reasons at the same time. I like the treatment of Coach Bieste too.  And it doesn’t hurt that West Side Story has my favorite music and they did it well!

  • Anonymous

    One thing I found funny was they did the movie version of “America” and not the stage version. The 2 are very different. But Mike Chang auditioned with “Cool” which is Riff’s song in the play but not the movie.

    Oh well they did say Artie took a lot of liberities

  • Anonymous

    You say kid-friendly, but the network slapped a PG-14 rating on it (or has that always been there, and I just noticed it last night?). Still the episode was about three shows mushed together into pabulum. Why not focus on all the romantic goings on in one episode, the Mike and Mercedes tensions in another, then a third for the Big Show and some resolution? Reminds me of the second season of Rome when they crammed way too much history into a single season, and all we came away with was blood and sweat.

  • Anonymous

    A young gay male friend of mine actually gets angry at this show because he finds the gay stereotypes that pass for characters on this show insulting and offensive. He posted about it on FB and several of his gay friends agreed. 

    I agree the characters are stereotypes but ALL of the characters are stereotypes. Every single one of them and I think that is why I find this show so very boring.  

    • Terence Ng

      While I love playing with these identities myself, I found it a bit disconcerting that Karofsky’s suddenly like, “They say I’m a bear cub and so that’s what I be, I guess.” Don’t pigeon hole yourself, guy.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        But that’s EXACTLY the reaction a lot of young gay men have.  They don’t have a lot of chances to see gay men who aren’t stereotypes so they think they have to just pick from that list. 

        Hopefully, he’ll grow out of it.

  • Daniel Bayer

    Biggest problem with this episode: It was a good hour of television, but NOT a good hour of Glee, for many of the reasons you state. And the fact that the musical is up and ready to go but the race for senior class president is STILL going on? PLEASE. And what with it being election day and all, it would have been the PERFECT time for that to come to a head.

    • Daniel Bayer

      AND, the elephant in the room… Seeing Mike Chang head the Jets while singing those lines in America… did that not strike anyone else as glaringly awful casting? Especially when Tina was one of the Shark girls? That whole thing never made much sense to me anyway, but actually seeing it made it even worse than it was in my head.

      • Sobaika Mirza

        Are you talking about their ethnicities? I don’t think it’s an elephant at all, it’s barely noticeable. Many stage productions (especially in high schools, where it’s not like you can take your pick) disregard race/ethnicity when casting. Even in something like West Side Story, the characters are differentiated by costumes, etc. It’s not like Puck or Rachel are Puerto Ricans.

        • Pinup Ghoul

          I agree. I was in Madame Butterfly, and only one member of the cast was Asian (Goro). The Bonze was African American. It was an awesome production, and I heard zero complaints or confusion about the racial makeup of the cast. Stage acting is all about creating illusion, and casting is part of that. An actor doesn’t have to perfectly embody the role physically if they can embody it spiritually and make the audience believe.

          With West Side Story (as opposed to something like Hairspray [the stage musical]) I think it can be worked around a little bit so that race isn’t a primary factor. The kids could just be from different parts of town. People form gangs for lots of reasons, I assume.

  • Anonymous

    This episode just brought home how ridiculous the Mercedes and Rachel story line from the previous episodes was. There’s no way Mercedes could have vocally performed those songs.

    It truly seems to me the female characters on the show get the shaft in really offensive ways. They don’t know what to do with Mercedes in terms of writing her as a strong, talented woman, without using her race so they recycle story lines to keep her somewhat relevant and use Amber Riley’s amazing voice to sell music on itunes. Sometimes I forget Tina is still on the show, which is a complete waste of Jenna Ushkowitz’s talent, and she is talented despite the narrative the show tries to build for her when it remembers she exists. Brittany is just so painfully, un-funnily stupid now it seems miraculous that she’s able to breathe and talk at the same time. (And seriously, I was not amused by the implication of the “alien invasion” joke yesterday that her first time was essentially a rape. WTF Glee?) I don’t share your love for Santana. I find her grating and too cruel to be funny. And I’m sick of the justification that show often tries to make that personal pain, in her case her difficulty accepting her sexual orientation, is reason enough to be a horrible person. I just think she, and Quinn, are terrible people.

    And I think it’s quite sad when the show’s female lead (Rachel), is one of the show’s least developed characters. After two seasons, what do we know about Rachel beyond the fact the she was raised by two gay men we will never meet, has a useless mother, was bullied (which apparently is hilarious if you’re not Kurt), and really, really wants to be on Broadway? I’ll credit the fact that I remained so interested in her story for so long to Lea Michele, but damn she’s such a shallow, dimensionless character. Which is so sad to me because she and the complexities I (suppose imagined) saw in her and thought they were taking her was the biggest drawing point to the show for me in season 1. But there’s nothing dynamic about the character anymore, there’s no real change, no really growth that benefits her, she’s completely static now. At this point it seems as if Lea Michele is just on the show to prop up the boys and their story lines and make them looks good in comparison (how did Rachel’s virginity become about Finn and what basically amounted to pity sex for him? Seriously?!! The same way it became her fault that he lied to her about his sexual experience in season 2. And she will always be the loser when pit against Kurt), sell itunes music and be the show’s biggest cheerleader via twitter.

    Maybe the show really has just become incredibly stale and listless, or maybe I’ve just outgrown this show. I don’t know. But either way, it’s becoming difficult, as a woman and as someone who tunes in to be entertained without being taught a lesson, to find reasons to continue watching.

    • Terence Ng

      I felt the characters were pretty static since season 2. And I agree that less and less do I buy any of their attempts to justify Quinn’s horrible personality. She’s not a good person. She’s a selfish, manipulative, pity party. She’s not even a bad girl trying to find the good in herself. She’s just someone trying to get back all the things she threw away for her own purposes. Her little monologue about her daughter and needing something perfect (with no mention of how HAVING something perfect and BEING a perfect parent are two different things) sealed the deal for me. Quinn sucks.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I don’t disagree that she’s wrong, but that’s fine with me.  Because she’s a teenage girl.  They’re often wrong.  Do you know how many “accident” pregnancies in high school are subconsciously on purpose?  The girl thinks it will give her someone that will love her unconditionally, someone who will always be with her and someone that’s just hers.  None of which is an accurate picture of motherhood. 

        And EVERY woman who gives a kid up wants a do-over at some point.  It’s not fair to the child, and most of those mothers realize it and don’t act on it.  But they all want to.

        My nephew was adopted (he’s 10) by my sister-in-law and her ex. His birth mother comes to see him once or twice a year now that he’s old enough. The last time she was there, she ended up crying on my brother’s shoulder for hours because she regrets it. Now, she’s not trying to get her son back or thinking she can be mommy now, but she’s also 27. A girl Quinn’s age with her lack of judgment and maturity would think only of HER feelings, HER regrets, HER needs.

    • Mariah J

      I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but especially your first point about Mercedes and Rachel vying for the Maria role. I thought I was the only one who was thinking, no director in the world would pick Mercedes over Rachel. And it’s not even just typecasting, Mercedes has never shown to have that kind of voice and her audition piece was completely out of left field.

  • http://www.hilonwheels.blogspot.com hilonwheels

    I’ll give you the shot of Mercedes, that annoyed me too. As I follow the cast on twitter, I hear they have some good stuff coming down the pike for her, so I wasn’t too bothered seeing so little of her.

    As for Karofsky, who’s to say they won’t get to his back story or the telling of his transformation at a later time? I don’t know, I viewed that scene differently.  That he is slowly coming to terms with his sexuality and that he feels comfortable at that bar, rather than everything’s solved and he’s fine.

    I’m eight years out of my teens and I enjoyed the episode, but I did wonder how other demographics would view it, specifically teens and their parents. From my view, you couldn’t have asked for a better effort at tackling such a huge issue, especially on a show like Glee.

  • Anonymous

    It wasn’t perfect, but I enjoyed this episode. I laughed more than I usually do watching Glee, and I also liked that they made the Blaine/Kurt story seem so romantic. That isn’t an image you see much of gay male sexuality, and it isn’t the experience of a lot of high school aged gay kids, whose first time is some random hook up. There was a lot of talk here last season about how the Kurt story line, while not necessarily realistic, could be really inspirational for a gay kid in the Midwest to see. Well, I think having some depiction of a sweet, romantic sexual encounter makes a good counterpoint to the gay porn they are probably watching on the internet.

    Also, I enjoyed the girls’ discussion about losing their virginity. Santana made me laugh, and I liked that Tina delivered a sex positive message, which you don’t hear that much in these days of abstinence education.

    The weird moment last night: My husband, who doesn’t watch Glee wandered in during Coach Bieste’s scene and said “Hey, that’s my old high school shot putting coach.” My husband’s high school was in Hollywood, so apparently that was her day job before she made it big. He said she was a cool coach.

    • Terence Ng

      I do love Coach Biest something fierce.

      • scottyf

        DOT.MARIE.JONES. ROCKS!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t been to gay bar, but boy, I really imagined better LOL — I guest that’s the best Lima, OH had to offer, snort — wood paneling!

  • Anonymous

    A couple things:
    When they went to the gay bar ‘Scandals’ (gotta love the name- typical of many an Ohio gay bar) it was incredibly realistic.  The decor, the clientele, the music… though they all seemed straight out of the mid 80s.  Maybe the designer hasn’t been to an Ohio gay bar in a while? Or I guess they really don’t change very much.  But alas, that IS the quality of most of the drag queens there.

    And come on… Kurt is cast as KRUPKE?  The sadistic tough cop? Who in the play only has a handful of lines, btw.  He’d have been a perfect Baby John, I think.  And adding the Jets to ‘America’ is a brilliant idea and makes those lyrics (“Free to wait tables and shine shoes…”) sting a lot more. 

    Oh, and I hated that Santana’s Anita seemed to be wearing a leftover ‘Rosie’ costume from Bye Bye Birdie.  

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think Krupke has any lines, does he? That’s what I think is so hilarious: “You killed as Krupke.” It’s a great running gag. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1539480086 Rachael Dickson

    I think y’all put the finger on it – I was watching it and feeling like I /should/ like what was going on, and liking some parts of it well enough – but wondering why it wasn’t clicking as well as I wanted it to. In some ways it was too fast paced and crammed too much in there.
    The thing that bothered me /most/ was the fact that they put the first time scenes in with the “Make of our hands” song – which is uh, a wedding scene. Uhmmm. I understand the first time is important to teenagers, but equating that with getting married to someone? The juxtaposition really jarred me – similarly to the way Quinn’s declaration at one point in last season that “Your first love is your forever love” jarred me. Yes, it’s from a teenage perspective, and things like this will be colored pretty rosy, but I think they should be a bit more careful about what entirely unreasonable relationship declarations they’re making here. 

    • Anonymous

      But Tony and Maria aren’t really getting married in the scene.  They’re making a pledge to each other.  Interestingly, when they do have sex it is a by-product of tragedy and desperation (Riff ‘s and Bernardo’s deaths).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6H34ULKL7BUSCRDYLOEBNJZU6Y Maria

     Man, what a bunch of cranks on this site! I sobbed about three times during this episode, which I found so sweet and so well done. It helped that that were incredible moments of humor – Coach Bieste had hysterical lines, her cluelessness at the recruiter’s advances was both moving and amusing. The actress played it perfectly. Klaine’s chemistry was off the hook and the notion that Rachel had sex with Finn out of pity is cynical and wrong. Those two actors have always had great energy between them and it showed clearly last night. The trust that Finn showed in Rachel – confessing his deepest insecurities, breaking down – made the moment between them so moving. (Her speech was a bit too Notting Hillish, I’ll acknowledge, and I hated that speech when Julia Roberts first made it).
    Still, Rachel had clearly made up her mind that Finn would be her first – the way she beamed at him in the hallway was not a subtle clue, people! If you needed more proof, look at how starry-eyed she became when Tina described her first time with Mike. 

    My one lament: nobody punched Artie in the face for his ridiculous advice to Rachel and Blaine. 

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, that was my reaction too! I thought there were some really funny parts – Coach Bieste, Santana talking about how bad Finn is in bed, Artie’s interaction with the recruiter, that bit about Kurt’s layering of clothes – and then some really sweet parts.  Kurt and Blaine were just so cute. As my husband said, we have come a long way since people freaked out over two men kissing on Melrose Place back in the day.

  • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

    Wait, wait!! What about Artie’s speech? I thought that was really nice and I know it was typical ‘hit ‘em over the head with the point’ Glee speechifying but I thought it was so articulate and probably something that people don’t think about often enough with they are communicating with people with disabilities (whether friends or co-workers).
    I have to admit, I didn’t hate it – or rather wasn’t as bored by it – as TLo was. Something about all that teen sex angst can’t help but make me sentimental. And what Santana said about having sex with Finn was HIGH-larious!

    • Anonymous

      Artie’s speech made the episode worth watching. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.nease Mary Nease

    Just wait until Grant (Sebastian) is really set loose. He went to my university and I’ve seen him in several shows and even had a jazz class with him- the kid’s a great actor and performer, and this episode didn’t even hit on that. Just wait. There is awesomeness to come from that boy. 

  • Anonymous

    A lot of folks have knocked the way that Blaine is being portrayed in this ep, but I think it’s consistent.  In a certain environment – that hermetically sealed wholesome Warblers world - he’s the man.  However, when he’s out of that protective bubble, you see that he’s a young guy without much experience in (or with) the world.  They effectively showed something similar with Kurt & Rachel earlier this season. 

    It did seem flat. Perhaps part of it is that in a way, it was so “paint by numbers Glee.”  The musical should have been at least a half season arc.  And perhaps most annoyingly, we saw little of Mike Chang.  After all of the fighting with his parents, a showstopping number from him was expected, and completely missing.  The biz with the Coach and with Kurt and their respective fellas was enough to sustain one episode.  Finn’s big dreams dashed (as well as the “special night”) could have kept until the next show. Instead, we got at least 6 mini story arcs over the 48 minutes of the show. 

    I think the show is struggling with how to make episodes interesting enough as stand alones, while maintaining a serial element.  The fact that Glee is still struggling with this after this long on the air is frustrating.  What’s also frustrating is that, as always, Glee is throwing so much crap at you, it’s hard to fully enjoy the show.
     

  • Anonymous

    The writing for all of the second and so far most of this season appears to be that of a dysfunctional group of fanfic authors and some studio executives. I wouldn’t mind so much if I hadn’t enjoyed the first season as much as I did.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1401197785 Jennifer Peters-Ahnberg

    I’m not sure it was great for the kids. My 16 year old was rolling her eyes and shaking her head at Mercedes even being at the performance, at Rachel’s even being with Finn and at the Sebastian character. “He needs to grow a mustache so he can twirl it while cackling in a menacing fashion.” Part of that might have been sheer discomfort at watching a show about teen sex with her mom and dad.

    • taodon

      Or, just sheer discomfort of having to watch it at all…

    • Anonymous

      That’s an awesome quote, thank you.

  • taodon

    The First Time was my Last Episode.  From now on, I’ll read TLOs reviews which they should surely dub as “We watch so you don’t have to Schlep through Schlock and Schmaltz.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

      And Schue.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

        (Sorry, alliteration chance was just too good.)

        • Pinup Ghoul

          It’s true, though… he might be my least favorite character.

  • http://twitter.com/democracydiva Democracy Diva

    I think that if your entire knowledge of sex was based on last night’s episode of Glee, you would think that losing your virginity meant laying down next to someone, fully clothed, while holding hands.

    • http://twitter.com/crush_onyou crush on you

      Well, Finn did somehow swallow that just kissing Quinn in a jacuzzi got her pregnant, so… I guess it’s normal Glee ‘logic’  :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RHLSUVX3NCPB4OSS5BM7GZIXUE P. Capet

    The show was a little sentimental and conventional, but children on the cusp of adulthood are often precisely that: sentimental and conventional at heart.  I liked that the subject was approached with care and tenderness.  I’m a hurt old fogie who doesn’t believe in love at all anymore (sob) but I don’t think the show was written for me this week, and I’m cool with that.  Other points: I think Mercedes was smiling with the rest of the audience during that high-energy, feel-good America number.  Her new glee club buddy Santana was singing her heart out so I can see her enjoying herself there.  And the problems with character development in Glee are old ones.  I am impressed that they can pull off several good musical numbers each week.  Creating songs around characters and having it all make sense in terms of continuity is maybe too much to ask.  I guess I’m not really here for the characters; I’m here for the music.  And West Side Story has some of the best songs in musical theater, so I’m happy this week.

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t watched since mid last season and I don’t miss it at all.

  • Anonymous

    Huh! Wish you had been around in the ’70′s when I was told I couldn’t be Maria because I was blonde and too tall (i.e. taller than anyone they had to play Tony). I actually had to sing a lot of the ‘chosen’ Maria’s music from off-stage (i.e. most of the group part of ‘Tonight’) because she couldn’t be heard over the others. Maybe this has all stopped now. I guess I’m sensitive because I was consistently denied the leading roles I deserved because of  my height, and in this case , my hair. Oh well, just venting. It’s  not that I’m bitter ! :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

      Oh sweetie, I’ll trade you red hair and being short you like. :)

      • Anonymous

        Oh, I would LOVE to be short for just a while even!

    • Mariah J

      I feel your pain. As a redhead I was cast as the understudy for a very talented but also very puerto rican looking Maria and on the nights when I performed had to endure the others whispers of how I was better than her.

  • Anonymous

    I feel bad for you guys.  First boring-ass Project Runway and now a whole season of boring-ass Glee.  What happened to our favorite shows?  I would not blame you one bit for throwing in the towel on both… although then I would have very little incentive to watch. 

    And this may be too realistic for this show but I wish they’d just shown how two out gay boys in high school would really act– fucking their brains out every chance they could get.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Except not all out gay guys are.  It’s this idea that the only reason teenage boys aren’t spending every second screwing is because girls stop them.  Most of the guys I know were just as concerned about making the right decision at the right time as their female counterparts.

      Not knowing your age, I wonder if some of it might be generational — I find my sister-in-law’s experience with sex in high school (she graduated in ’88, and I was in ’01).  AIDS made a HUGE difference in how kids look at sex in a lot of cases.  From grade school on, we heard about AIDS, and how it was most often sexually transmitted, and how you HAD to use a condom EVERY TIME, and that when you slept with someone, you slept with everyone they had ever slept with.  And because it was so pervasive from such a young age, we didn’t filter it through hormones. 

      • Anonymous

        I guarantee these kids would be blowing each other morning, noon, and night, and squeezing in hand-jays between classes in the West Side Story prop closet.  Kurt and Blaine’s relationship is beyond passionless.  They are clearly not attracted to each other, so give us some gay characters who are!  Better yet, focus on Brit and Santana for awhile and give us something interesting to watch. 

        And anyway, kids don’t get sex ed anymore.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          When I was in school, you didn’t need sex ed — it was literally EVERYWHERE.  There was not a show through my childhood that DIDN’T have a safe sex episode, it was all over MTV, etc. 

          Now, I have no idea how much of that has faded.  But there are plenty of young guys that want to move more slowly and that aren’t interested in rushing into sex, both gay and straight.

  • http://twitter.com/foodhussy foodhussy

    The ONLY thing I liked was Bieste getting some action. She deserves it! 

  • http://twitter.com/foodhussy foodhussy

    What?????

  • http://twitter.com/foodhussy foodhussy

    I live in Ohio – and have gay friends – it was dead on. hahahaha

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

      Dead on for smalltown Texas, too.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Clearly, you don’t know what “small” really means!  I couldn’t tell you if it was accurate for “small-town Midwest” because where I grew up we didn’t have ANY gay bars! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Guarino/13902216 Joseph Guarino

    I agree with a lot of your criticisms, although honestly, guys, I think you’re both just kind of over Glee. Ryan Murphy syndrome sets in again.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, if it means that kids get a positive message that isn’t either “just say no to sex” or “everyone is having sex — lots of it,” it’s worth taking one for the team, no?  I did like the episode for what it was.

    I see what you’re saying about the pacing, though.  It is odd that we go from three episodes of casting the show and one episode with the funding crisis to suddenly having the opening night.  All with just one rehearsal scene.  

    It feels like Glee does this sort of thing alot.  They’ll take an idea and throw it out there — and then rush right ahead to the conclusion, without any exploration or development.  They did the same thing with Rory last week.  During The Glee Project, the producers were giddy at the thought of having Brittany 1) not understand anything Damien said and 2) having her mistake him for a leprechaun.  They awarded him a seven-episode arc, and they’ve dispensed with their big ideas in the first episode — they could have stretched out the leprechaun idea for two or three episodes and gotten some fun stuff out it.  Do they have any more plans for the character?  Or is it just going to be him singing a line or two until his character is whisked back to Ireland?

    Rant over, but it’s really not about Damien/Rory.  It’s about the writers consistently skipping through storylines without getting what they can out of them.  I agree that they could have done better by pushing Rachel and Finn’s “first time” to the next episode, and perhaps showing us the scene with Finn and the recruiter in real time, as opposed to a flashback.  They could have shown a bit more rehearsal of WWS, with Blaine and Rachel figuring out how to portray the passion of their characters, even if they haven’t had sex yet.  

    And they could have showed Mike doing some dancing.  That’s never a waste of screen time.  

  • Anonymous

    I always watch this show with a grain of salt, so I understand the critiques, and am glad I’m not in a position to make any official comments/analysis about it.

    That said, there are usually one or two things that stick with me about an episode, and this one really kind of knocked me over – Kurt’s response to drunk and aggressive Blaine in the back seat was the exactly perfect response I have wished I’d had said at times in my own experience.  Not to get too personal here, but I’m sure it’s a universal situation – when someone you love, care about, are committed (married) to gets frisky and wants to fool around when you’re on the total opposite planet – Kurt’s refusal “You want me right now when I’m feeling the least like being intimate because I’m not feeling it, and you either don’t know those are my feelings or don’t care….either way, NO!”  and they slink off, all pouty and childishly rejected – well, that hits the nail EXACTLY right on the head.  Bravo, Kurt! (writers)

  • Joyce VG

    I’ve said I’m done with the show many times before and I’m always sure I am.  But the hype got me and I watched last night because I’m emotionally invested in Blaine and Kurt.  It was fine, but it was like watching television through cheesecloth.  I know they couldn’t possibly do more but the substance was so filtered it fell flat.  I just know in the real world boys fall in love with boys and they have a wonderful life together (girls too).  I am happy to see this on television I really am. No matter how awkward it is.

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone notice that Marni Nixon was a consulting producer in the credits?  Wonder if there was any dubbing.

    • Anonymous

      I think you’re thinking of Marti Noxon – she’s been a consulting producer on Grey’s and Mad Men and a producer on Buffy as well.

      • Anonymous

        Absolutely right — I need to wear my glasses when I watch TV

  • Anonymous

    ” a crisis in the minds of its two stars: how can they play the ultimate star-cross’d lovers if they themselves are virgins?”

    Seriously?  What are these kids doing in a drama group if playing someone they are not is a “crisis”?  Are they gangbangers?  Are they Puerto Rican immigrants?  No?  And that didn’t create a crisis?  (And that’s completely aside from the fact that for most of West Side Story Maria is a virgin.)

    • Anonymous

      Yes, that was pure idiocy.

  • MilaXX

    If I was to grade this, I’d give it a C+/B- . It was all very sweet and I liked it all, but it had an ABC afterschool specialness about it. I appreciated wrapping up Karosky’s storyline, but I don’t buy his being okay with it. The way he was talking about being a bear cub and all just didn’t work for me. I could see him at the club but maybe acting more on the downlow instead of greeting and happily chatting with Kurt. I would have rather seen Mike’s performance and then the empty seat where his dad was. It also felt like once again they are at a loss as to what to do with Mercede’s character. Yes she has a boyfriend and she’s on the other glee club, AND?…..I have to say I did like Beiste’s story a lot. It was a big improvement over getting a pity kiss from Shue. The thing that I get nervous about is that they may be setting us up for Burt and Carol to move away and Finn take over his garage. I love the Burt/Kurt scenes and Burt is one of the few grownups on this show that actually acts like a grownup.

  • Anonymous

    See, I thought Schue kicked Mercedes out for her “drama”, and she was just mad that Rachel got yet another starring part over her (regardless of whether it’s a part for Mercedes). I can see her being happy for her friends, especially when Shelby’s group is doing well and Mercedes is with people of similar or lesser talent levels rather than “well, Rachel’s our star, so she gets this solo — oh, wait, this song needs ‘soul’, so Mercedes, unless it’s soul and dancing, then Santana”. The Mercedes-Santana-Brittany front trio will work well for Shelby. 
    As such, I can see Mercedes going to the opening performance to support her friends — especially since the play was not headed by Schuester.

    And, I LOVE that Coach Bieste has a love interest. And that he is just as into her as she is him. She deserves someone good. 

  • Anonymous

    I really think the show is doing itself a disservice by promoting and releasing what is going to happen in each episode weeks in advance. By the time you actually get to the episode you feel like you’ve already seen it. 

    The Mercedes smiling in the audience? Wrong. She should have not gone to the show or better yet if in attendance had been the one not standing and clapping. 

    Not showing Mike Chang dancing and his mother reacting? Wrong. I know Ryan Murphy can say we already saw Mike do “Cool” in the auditions, but you needed to see him doing it again last night after the stilted scene with his Father. 

    Karofsky? Meh. The storyline sucked last season. To me it felt like the writers were tired of it and just did the simplest thing to tie it up. At least they didn’t dance together. I thought that was going to happen for some reason. 

    As for the sex? It was so heavily promoted and talked about that by the time they made their choices it had no impact. I know Hollywood did some study that people like knowing spoilers before they watch something these days. I don’t agree with that and wonder who the booger eating morons are who need to know everything they are going to see/hear before watching something. 

    I liked the West Side Story stuff. Didn’t buy the coach Bieste stuff although her acting was pretty awesome when he was asking her out. 

    I was a bit insulted by the fact that because Finn wasn’t going to be recruited to Ohio State his football career was over. That’s like telling someone because they didn’t make American Idol they should quit singing. Thought that was a pretty bad message to send to kids who focus on that one school/path or they fall apart. 

    The show’s entertaining but I sense they are in such a rush to make episodes they don’t put the amount of thought into them they need to. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

    Perfect take, T-Lo. Parts were really flat. I get what they were doing with Westside Story — I loved the songs, especially America. I also loved the little girl get together and Tina’s story. It made me smile for some reason; God knows my virginity loss was certainly nothing to smile over. It just made sense. But it was just bits in pieces. The Warblers scene, while adorable (there’s just something about men in school jackets), seemed really forced and I rolled my eyes so hard at the hot teacher I got a headache. But then they through in the Bieste storyline and I can’t help just adoring Bieste. Seriously love her. Totally understood her scenes. I wish she had burst into “I feel pretty;” too bad that gave that duet to Quinn and Rachel.

    I thought the best thing about this episode was the lack of Shue, Mercedes, etc. I am so tired of drama on this show being brought by those who bring it on themselves with little redeeming quality. It was nice to just smile and go, “aw” for a bit, even if it was somehow lackluster. Like the Blaine/Kurt scenes. Nice, sweet, but, well, nice and sweet. Sebastian just irritated me. Rachel/Finn — irritated beyond belief. I cannot stand Finn, even if I went “aw” when he called Kurt his brother. 

    For those who think Karofsky’s scene was off, I didn’t get that. I’ve known two very similar gay men with close to the same story. From bully to closeted but accepting? It can happen that way, quicker than you think, especially in a small town as it did for my friends where expectations — real or imagined — get people mocked at best, killed at worst. Yes, killed. I live in Texas, very close to Austin. Both my friends were beat to hell numerous times. It doesn’t pay to be different. Coming out in Lima is probably much like coming out in Dumbshit, Texas, where my friends grew up. Same town, same school, ten year time difference. One is my brother, who is much younger and has learned to be happy with himself as he is. The other? He was disowned when he finally came out and, then … he didn’t make it in the end. Karofsky reminded me so much of my friend, if he had been given the chance. It started accepting who he was toward the end — and then suffered a horrible breakup and killed himself. Karofskymade me .. hopeful? … without real meaning. But I am a schmuck for redemption characters and from the start I was so scared they were going to kill Karofsky off. I wish he could end up back at McKinley. I’ve heard he is a wonderful singer who originally tried out for the Finn role(?).

    What I thought was strange was, well, what actually happened in the end. We get a lot of handholding and sweet gazes (so 90210 I could hurl), but did anyone actually have sex? I suppose it doesn’t matter in the end.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marteani Barbara Guttman

    My problem with the sex on this show is that there’s simply very little palpable chemistry between the principals.  In high school, we wanted to tear through each other’s clothes with our teeth.  It HAD to be that these characters wanted sex to “inform their parts” because it was unbelievable that they wanted to have sex for the sex itself.

    I suppose that, this show in particular, producers want the sex to be as non-threatening as possible, and I’m not suggesting this should  be Peyton High.  But all these long, unblinking gazes (and Rachel’s weird consolation virginity) are so bland that they render the episodes dull.

  • Anonymous

    Mercedes definitely shouldn’t have been grinning. But now what is this “long-rumored bomb drop” with Karofsky you speak of? (also I did love the irish kid’s accent, and Brittany’s one line, “alien invasion”)

  • http://profiles.google.com/mochizukisan kyasarin mochizuki

    The direction was horrible (sometimes it felt like no one had any idea where to place the camera, or when to edit what together), and the writing felt like they stuck some post-its together and called it a day. It was half-assed at best. Like they just can’t give a crap anymore. “Here you go, you stupid Gleeks. You’ll love any ol’ shit we throw at you.” Except, well, we don’t.

    Re. the performances:
    That bullshit “hot for teacher” bit with the Warblers was sheer awfulness. It was almost physically painful to watch.

    Why the hell were Rachel and Blaine singing off of sheet music a few days before opening night? No one in any of the performances at my high school would have been allowed to do that at that late a stage in the rehersals. It should have been memorized by that point. 

    I was very pleased that they went back to the original boys vs. girls take on “America,” which works much better than the newer versions I’ve seen where it’s Anita vs. some random, whiny chick in her group.

    Definitely could do with more Santana-as-Anita. She was fantastic.

    The fake Latino accents were horrendous, but not in a ha-ha funny way.

    Sorely disappointed in the total lack of Harry dancing. Boo.

    • Anonymous

      I might be wrong, but I think the original stage version of “America” was sung between Anita and “some random, whiny chick in her group.” The movie version changed it to include the men.

    • Anonymous

      So funny — I noticed the sheet music too. Like Rachel didn’t have that song memorized by age 5.

  • Anonymous

    I actually turned it off halfway through last night, so disinterested was I. Dull episode seriously lacking in the wacky, kinda mean fun that Glee is known for.

    Did anyone else get the icky feeling that Blaine was going to attempt to date-rape Kurt? Kurt’s long vest flapping everywhere…I just can’t. Whither the fab trenches of Season 1?

    • Anonymous

      It did look like a date-rape scenario! Can you imagine that Very Special Episode of Glee? It also looked like they were setting up a gay-bashing scene with all that lingering in the parking lot.

  • Anonymous

    Last week I had decided to stop watching Glee.  The show has completely lost all the subversive humor and just irreverent off-the-wall wackiness that made the first season so refreshing and so much fun.  It’s pretty much all “very special episodes” now and it feels flat and forced.  But I needed something mindless to watch last night so Glee was it.  And I agree with our hosts – the show, in theory, was good.  But it all just seemed boring and blah.  The writers don’t seem to have a clue what to do with these characters.  In season one they were somehow able to make episodes that could bridge the gap between teens and adults.  But now it seems to be geared solidly towards a very young audience.  I’m clearly not the demographic.  Which is fine, I guess, but it seems a real shame to throw out everything that made this show so much fun for a wide age range, while turning it into standard-issue teenage drama with music. 

    Random notes:  ah, who cares?  But does it make me really immature that I loved the fact that Bieste’s love interest is named Cooter?

  • Anonymous

    1. Their “West Side Story” set was so simple, I feel like that’s how the auditorium always is and all the elaborate set pieces we’ve seen in the past is how the characters are seeing it in their heads. When it’s being viewed by an actual audience, it looks like an actual set you’d see in a high school that has an auditorium. (Also, I loved Coach Bieste’s welding line….)

    2. The bar looked like an actual gay bar in a small midwest town. Actually, with Sebastian’s popped collar on his striped polo shirt and ABC’s Poison Arrow, it pretty much echoed my first trip to the gay bar in Flint, Michigan in the mid-80s.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CDBJF4RFSATAEFBJSSFQNWS4IE Murgie

    While I enjoyed the episode as a whole, I kept thinking how ridiculous it was that they could stage a major production like, “West Side Story”, but somehow couldn’t manage to have class elections  yet?

  • bloodshothalfblind

    the longer i watch this show, the more i dislike it. it just feels so far removed from how it began.  it used to be funny!  bitterly, cynically, unsentimentally, brilliantly funny!  for mainstream television, it was fresh & inspired.  now it’s all so toned down & serious. it went from winking at the audience to sucking its own ass.  the only thing funny about it now is how shitty the writing is.  (also, mr schue’s sudden botox-face in the last episode – that was hilarious!)

    lol, why do i keep watching?   

  • Purple Cow

    So, did anyone else notice that both Rachel and Finn had condoms and talked about it, but Blaine and Kurt didn’t talk about it at all? Or did I miss that? As the parent of teenagers, I want to hear every teen on TV or any other media talking about condoms whenever there’s a possibility of sex.

    • Anonymous

      There was no safe sex talk last night regarding Blaine and Kurt that I can remember.  But sometimes those kids mumble and I miss stuff, especially Britney.

  • Anonymous

    We can probably conclude now that the better quality of the first 3 episodes of this season is a fluke.

    Things with Kurt+Blaine is always gonna be awkward cause it was never well established why they got together in the first place – other than to please the audience who want to see them together for the sake of being together.

    And the musical – another incoherent plot development. They couldn’t even get ANYBODY to attend some raise money concert thingy last season and this year, THIS?!

    WTF?

  • Anonymous

    I had the same non-reaction to this episode. I do think it was the musical’s fault; it made all of that character development last episode somewhat pointless. Mercedes’ cameo in the audience was infuriating, and Artie’s control-freak thing was thrown in so slapdash it didn’t make any sense.
    While I agree on the point about Sebastien, he was serving up some piping-hot, unabashed gayness that we haven’t seen in Blaine and Kurt; they’re sort of cute and asexual, but Sebastien was dripping with sex. LOVE.
    Karofsky’s part, I have to say, I loved. I’ve always had a soft spot for that character. And he’s not saying he’s well-adjusted  at all; he switched schools in order to stay in the closet.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

      And Kurt switched schools to stay out of the closet. Both are sadly realistic in small towns.

    • Anonymous

      Also: someone referenced Artie’s “speech” not being as “hit-you-over-the-head-with-the-point” as most Glee speeches are. I can’t agree or disagree, as my wife and i fast forwarded as soon as he said: “When you’re in a wheelchair…”
      I thought my eyes were going to get stuck in the back of my head. After innumerable displays of extorting the disabled, I couldn’t watch another “teachable moment.”

      Sorry for all the air quotes.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I was disappointed that, given the hype of the episode, the sex scene between Blaine and Kurt wasn’t more explicit.  I wanted them to go further than the lame cuddling we saw because then it would’ve been worthy of the hype.  Don’t tell me it’s going to be groundbreaking and then show me something so bland.  I think they wimped out and it ticked me off.  Go for the controversy.  Take a real stand.  Don’t wuss out in the last 30 seconds of the episode. 

    • Anonymous

      I’m so with you. Even given that they know there is a strong pre-teen audience for the show and need to play it a little safe, I wouldn’t mind seeing some shirtless or bare leg coming out from under the sheets. Cuddling while fully clothed? Ugh.  However, the horny kiss they had in the auditorium was fairly hot.

  • Anonymous

    Hah! Virgins. Right.

  • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

    I love how TV shows kids approaching sex:  it’s always something that they don’t really want to do, at least the main characters.  And that’s certainly true of some, but certainly not all.  And we never see the ones who can’t wait to start actually start — they always come onto the show already sexually active. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/ballinger.jl Jessica Ballinger

    It really bothered me that Artie asked Coach if she was a virgin, AND SHE ANSWERED.  I can’t imagine any teacher would do that, you know?

    However, I did love that Sue called Schue on taking the Glee club to New York without a set list.

  • Anonymous

    I think where the show dropped the ball in a really significant way, in that the best “how I lost my virginity” story  went to Tina and Mike.  Tina talking about it had more emotional weight then anything we were shown between Rachel/Finn and Blaine/Kurt. it highlighted how Tina and Mike are the strongest couple on the show,  - and honestly the most interesting.  Instead of thinking of what this meant to Rachel/Finn  or Kurt/Blaine  I wondered “Why don’t we see more of Tina and Mike?”  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

      Sadly, right. I dislike the main couples on the show: Rachel/Finn, Emma/Will. I love Kurt and Blaine but there is something a little too perfect there that reminds me of old black and white movies where the screen goes dark and the next morning it’s all implied even though not a hair is out of place and the afterglow is missing. Kudos to Kurt though for standing up for himself when Blaine was drunk. 

  • Anonymous

    Did I miss something at the end of last season/beginning of this one?  I thought Karofsky *was* hiding his sexuality.  He pretended to be with Santana last season and left Kurt alone on the dance floor at their prom.  Now he’s at a different school because everyone at McKinley knows he’s gay?

  • Anonymous

    Did I miss something at the end of last season/beginning of this one?  I thought Karofsky *was* hiding his sexuality.  He pretended to be with Santana last season and left Kurt alone on the dance floor at their prom.  Now he’s at a different school because everyone at McKinley knows he’s gay?

    • Anonymous

      No, I think he’s still in the closet and sneaks off to the gay bar. At least that was my take. I’m not sure everyone at McKinley knows he’s gay.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

        He moved to a different school. Maybe he was outted off screen. Glee inconsistencies ruled this episode.

  • Anonymous

    oops.  sorry for the double post.

  • Anonymous

    Aside from everything that everyone else has already said, I have to say that when Karofsky walked up, my thought was “What is Burt doing in the gay bar?!”  True story.  I though it was going to be some insane plot twist, especially since Burt and Carole were supposed to be out of town.  Seriously, the two have a very similar build, and that whole baseball cap ensemble looked right out of Burt’s closet.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly what I thought.

  • Anonymous

    Can we talk about Artie for just a second?  His character made no sense last night.  I can’t imagine any student, let alone a character like Artie, asking other students in front of their teachers to disclose their virginity.  And then to ask teachers themselves whether they’re virgins?  WTF.

    • Anonymous

      Ridiculous to the max. And then getting all huffy because the teachers leave? As if, having asked that, any teacher with a clue would want to hear the answers. This resembles actual HS students not even a little bit. No one was even a leetle teensy bit embarrassed? In my experience, both personally and observing others, HS students pretty much live in a fog of embarrassment. 

      I didn’t much care for the laughably unrealistic expectations of flowers, candles, and total perfection forever for “the first time”. The first time for most people is dreadful; nobody knows what to do. All that talk about “remembering this forever”. It’s not the FIRST time that’s interesting, it’s the LAST time and the NEXT time.

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree. I thought that bit with Artie was ridiculous. I had to stress that fact to my 12 yo daughter. Glad we watched it together, that’s for sure.

  • http://twitter.com/adleredneko Aki

    I’m glad you guys seem annoyed by the way they tried to give Dave the write off in this episode.  It just doesn’t seem at all fair after everything that happened last season, and he (not to mention his story) deserves a lot better than that.  My hope is that they’ll bring him back in the second half and fix this egregious error, because he was and is my favorite character and, at least for me, Glee is missing a lot without him.  I don’t have enough interest or care in the other characters to be bothered to watch the show if he isn’t there.

  • Anonymous

    Guys…guys…can you just recap without all the whining? Your recaps are reason enough to watch the show-at least they used to be-but recently they’ve become all bitter kitten-ishy. I love criticism (yours is some of the funniest and thoughtful around) Lately though? Not so much. Just my two cents.

    • Anonymous

      If you want a recap, there are other sites that do that. TLo is about bitchy judging, aka criticism.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WKSM57KFWUGRMKPDUW4SPL3GDM Kathryn

    I loved every freakin’ second!  I had read this review before hand and was expecting a disaster, but it was one of my favorite episodes ever.  I can’t express how much I loved it.  The Finn character breaks my heart.  I know that there are millions of people like him.  I hope the show gives him a happy ending.  The Mercedes smile was sweet.  Bieste is always wonderful.  I thought the accents were good because they were amateurish.  I didn’t want it to end.  It was amazing!

  • Joshua

    I understand what you guys are saying, but from the perspective of someone who’s only ever bothered to watch one episode previously (First Kiss), I quite liked it. But I also have a special place in my heart for West Side Story, so I have my doubts I’ll be tuning back in. Kurt and Blaine are just so boring. Now if Sebastian became a regular, that could be interesting.

  • Anonymous

    The only thing that kept me interested in this ep was the hotness of Santana in her red dress….my girl crush grows….

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jenna-Ryan-Boatman/583622701 Jenna Ryan Boatman

      I want that dress.

  • Anonymous

    One of my all-time favorite movie moments is in the beginning of Apollo 13
    when Tom Hanks is watching his colleagues walk on the moon. The look on his
    face expresses so many emotions: pride in the accomplishments of a program to
    which he has devoted his life, love for the men, his friends, who had
    accomplished this feat, and the pain of not being the one to do it himself.
    That is the look that should have been on Mercedes face.

  • http://tigergray.blogspot.com/ Tiger Gray

    I am confused by the comment regarding Kurt’s reluctance to have sex. They did have sex, didn’t they? I haven’t seen it but according to another blogger’s recap, Kurt and Blaine sealed the deal. And frankly, not wanting to have sex with a guy dangerously close to not respecting your no, who is drunk, seems pretty reasonable. 

  • Ebony Dawkins

    Listen, ever since they put Mercedes with this unattractive young man as her boyfriend, I just… my disappointment is so palpable with this show. :-/

  • Anonymous

    The thing for me with Glee is that it isn’t nearly as much fun as it used to be. I could get past the characters being inconsistent in behaviors so I could roll along with the camp and subversiveness… but all that seems to be gone. Lynch’s character is a shell of her former hilarious self and everything is draw in such huge, obvious telegraphed ways. It is like they put these shows together with the scriptwriting equivalent of Legos. Sure, you get something kind of fun to look at, but it is all the same parts just used in different ways.

    I only watch to see it with my daughter, so I can discuss what is going on.

    Okay, I’ll admit to squeeing like a little girl when “Love is the Drug” started playing. Highpoint of the episode to me.

    • Anonymous

      “Love Is the Drug”: If that doesn’t make you want to rip of your boyfriend’s clothes then and there, then what will?

  • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

    I was sad the musical happened.  I thought this was going to become one of the shticks of the show: each year the musical doesn’t happen for some bizarre reason or another.  But it happened.  And that may be why it was boring for me.  All this episode turned out to be was “West Side Story,” which I’ve already seen fifty million time.

  • Anonymous

    My suggestion to the GLEE producers:  If you really wanted to make some serious extra money on this juggernaut, why didn’t you stage and film the entire production of West Side Story with the full cast as it would have appeared at the school, then package and sell it as an extra DVD at Christmas?  That would appease all the Broadway queens who LOVE the show tunes, but you would not risk losing the tweens by adding so much Broadway into the televised episode.  It’s a win/win!

    Maybe consider this next year for the McKinley production of South Pacific or Carousel……….

    FWIW……

  • Susannah Perry

    I was really enjoying the episode and I wasn’t totally sure why until about 5 minutes before it ended and it dawned on me… NO WILL SCHUESTER!  And then suddenly there he was in the audience.  Ugh.  But the lack-o-Will made it the best episode of the season for me so far.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t been able to get back into Glee since the baseball break. I was DYING to see last week’s episode, then turned off the tv after, like, 5 minutes. The same thing happened this week–I caught the part where Rachel and Finn are getting into it, and then she says it’s to help her perform and Finn gets pouty (as you say)–and I thought it was a repeat so I turned it off. I think I’ll enjoy ‘watching’ the show through your recaps (which is how I thoroughly enjoy the A-List!).

  • Mariah J

    I liked the episode a lot, probably due to the amazing West Side Story scenes going on left and right. But one thing that bugged me from the beginning with this show and many other (especially teen) shows is that losing your virginity and sex in general is treated like some magical EVENT that eclipses your whole life and the sex fairy sprinkles magical wisdom glitter on you once it happens and you become enlightened. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Am I wrong to declare that I will be the type of parent one day that says in frank terms “Son or daughter, your first time is going to suck, you won’t enjoy it but after a few times you will. A lot. So spending your youth waiting for that perfect person or moment is something which at best will be silly and at worst you’ll regret.”

  • Anonymous

    this show is SO half-assed. “teen melodrama” in the CW mold – is a perfect analogy for the episode though its better bored then just aggrevayed which is what this show makes me half the time. I sure do miss being entertained. Santana looked, btw. FANTASTIC in the play The hair length and the red dress were spot on perfection for her. I love when they show her in profile. Mercedes is just dead to me at this point. I currently loathe the character. Good old Ryan Murphy throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. 

  • Anonymous

    PS: When did Karofsky leave McKinley and did anyone else think he was Kurt’s dad when he first came up to Kurt? Now THAT would have been a plot twist!

  • Anonymous

    The only criticism I had was with Puck as Bernardo.  N to the O, dude.

  • Anonymous

    Artie pushing sex on his cast members and asking Bieste about her virginity were painfully false notes. Even given that the show is pure fantasy, it just didn’t make any damn sense. 

  • Anonymous

    I DVR’d the show and really wasn’t in a hurry to watch it, but I did get around to it today. All I have to say is TLo … you guys just rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Completely captured everything I felt .. the episode was boring, lackluster and just not “there”.  I won’t give up on Glee, but my expectations are sub-par at best.  Thank so much for keeping it real.

  • http://phdoula.blogspot.com Rebecca

    I was not as disappointed with this episode (and the whole thing was 10x better than last week.) I agree with another commenter who said how much they enjoyed seeing a sex-positive take on the decisions teenagers have to make. I thought it was done well while staying true to the characters. And no, we didn’t need to see any shirts coming off to know they’re going to have sex; I thought it was lovely that the episode showed them not ripping clothes off in a frenzied passion, but enjoying each other and treasuring the moment.

    There were definitely some cringe-y moments, most particularly Artie and Bieste’s conversation (seriously? he’s going to ask her that AND she’s going to answer? Although true fact, the choir & orchestra director at the high school in my town made no secret of the fact that he was a virgin – unmarried, in his 40s – and held himself up as an example for the kids of how you COULD stay “pure”. EW EW EW.)

    It isn’t as good as the first few episodes of the season, still, and it does make me nervous that last week was the beginning of a downward slide but I will take what good I can get from Glee at this point and this was pretty good.

    • http://phdoula.blogspot.com Rebecca

      Oh, and I didn’t think Kurt was especially prudish. At the beginning, he’s the one asking Blaine whether they should be taking things further. When Blaine tries to get him to hook up in a parking lot while drunk, and doesn’t take no for an answer, Kurt is upset. Then at the end, Kurt’s the one saying “take me home!” Yes, he “wants romance” and the writers threw that idea around clunkily, but I didn’t think overall he was given an especially uptight attitude.

  • Anonymous

    This was the first episode I haven’t watched. My partner had it on and I saw bits when I walked through but I have given up on it. 

  • http://twitter.com/crush_onyou crush on you

    I didn’t dislike the episode as much as TLo. I liked Tina’s moments as well as Coach Beiste’s, and thought both Finchel and Klaine were handled well enough. Yes, there wasn’t the Mike number and Mercedes’s reason to be there grinning wasn’t clear enough. An I thought even if Karofsky did look content, he was also kind of hiding behind his baseball cap, so. Not comfortable enough, I guess.
    Also, Kurt has come a long way from s2e12, I think it was, when he covered his ears when Blaine even tried to suggest any topic slightly touching on ‘sexy’ and said he loved musicals because the only intimacy they depicted was fingertips touching… Now he’s the one suggesting ripping clothes apart, no less. Go figure. Maybe something happened during summer break, as suggested by dear @blaineaglee:twitter and @kurthumglee:twitter , but they did abruptly backpedal, so that wasn’t really clear either, how they arrived to this point. My only real complaint was that half-assed kiss, when Klaine were talking on stage. Compare that to Finchel’s in the hall by the poster, and you’ll get the idea.

    s3e03 was NewGlee (new writers and new handling the characters carefully, with a purpose). This one felt more like a transition from s2 , falling back on old habits but also getting some things right. 

  • http://twitter.com/lightningvsbug Kallie Markle

    I’m no prude, but I am increasingly frustrated by this show’s repeated message of “virginity/abstinence = lame/bizarre/ignorant.” Glee claims to be all about inclusion of the oddballs and the fringe-dwellers, and then turns around and acts like anyone not having sex is not okay and must be altered asap. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=518916054 Heather Thompson-Brenner

    An amazing performance DOES bring that positivity out of a live audience, especially people who (like Mercedes) now think they are getting their due. Thank goodness not Mike’s father, though, that would have been too far. COME ON TLO and give Glee just a little bit of a break! This season is good! It is!