American Horror Story: Burn, Witch, Burn

Posted on November 07, 2013

AHS+S3E5+1Jamie Brewer, Gabourey Sidibe, and Taissa Farmiga in FX’s American Horror Story: Coven

Well, so much for our theorizing of last week. While the mystery of who threw the acid in Cordelia’s face is still wide open, it doesn’t seem that Nan is masterminding anything right now and besides, the question of who the next Supreme is going to be has been answered, to our disappointment. Then again, this is kind of a thing with American Horror Story; with all the shocks and jump cuts, it fools you into thinking the main plot is going to be a zany ride with an unpredictable outcome, but it tends to be fairly straightforward. A troubled family moves into a house infested with ghosts. They all go a little crazy. Then they all die. The devil possesses a nun in a mental institution full of murders and sociopaths. Havoc and death ensue. Almost everyone suffers tremendously and then dies. All the insanity and “what the fuck did I just watch” moments the show does so well (and so often) are just window-dressing. The main plot tends to move in a straight line. It teases you more with the possibility of wild twists than actually providing the twists.

So Zoe is the likely Supreme. This, of course, does not mean there won’t be other claimants to the title, nor does it mean that she’ll be triumphant in the end. It just means that the one the story was pointing to turned out to be the important one. It remains to be seen what Misty Day means in the whole Supreme story, as well as what purposes Queenie and Nan serve, but we’re betting that the question of who’s next in line to lead the coven has been effectively answered.

Perhaps we’re burnt out on zombies at the moment, but we thought this episode was the least interesting of the season so far. There really wasn’t a whole lot of tension to the hour, nor did the undead provide any new shocks or surprises. They were merely a tool to show us how powerful Zoe is and what a monster Delphine was. And Ryan Murphy loves to make you love his characters while at the same time showing you what horrible people they are, but he may be stretching himself a little thin on Madam LaLaurie. We realize spending 170 years buried alive might change a person, but we’re not entirely sure how Delphine became so repentant over her past deeds. She’s all but hugging Queenie while lamenting how cruel she was. Okay, fine. But why? What changed?

Don’t get us wrong; if we were the types to give letter grades to an episode, we’d rate this one a solid B. Very little plot movement (which is funny, because in a different story, the death of a leading character would normally be considered important, but here it’s just a temporary state), somewhat light on the horror (with a little bit of tame-by-AHS-standards gore), and one or two “wow” moments. The most obvious and crowd-pleasing of the two was Zoe with the chainsaw; AHS’ version of a “FUCK YEAH” shot, and another in a long line of overt horror movie homages. The second was the scene in the hospital with Fiona resurrecting a dead baby; not so much because of what the character did, but because Lange is once again working on another level entirely. That was her Emmy-nom scene and she knocked it the hell out of the park.

But Jessica’s gorgeous acting couldn’t hide one flaw that leapt out at us. In fact, it was her acting in this scene that illuminated it for us: Fiona’s hugely undefined as a character, and watching her drunkenly stumble through badly lit hospital hallways, consumed with grief and mental anguish, we realized we couldn’t detect a hair’s difference between this performance/character and that of Sister Jude last season. They’re both destructive, even evil women, who teeter on the edge of sanity, have addiction issues and occasionally reveal a deeply wounded, insecure side to themselves. That’s not her fault. She’s a good enough actress that she can find nuances in her characters, even when they’re as broad as this. But we said a couple weeks ago that Murphy was playing with his diva dolls this season and since he hasn’t provided Fiona with any clear motivations outside of a quest for youth and power, she’s coming off like a standard (if such a term can be applied) Lange/Murphy character.

As an aside, we find our ourselves nerdily wishing the powers would get defined here a little better. Fiona can resurrect the dead but she can’t cure her daughter’s blindness or heal her disfiguration?

At the end of the episode, while a pile of corpses burned, the writing attempted to tie Delphine and Fiona together as monstrous mothers with deep regrets, but all it did for us was shine a light on how flimsy the motivations and abrupt character changes are here. Sure, you accept that kind of sloppy or vague writing as a feature of American Horror Story – high style and off-the-hook acting are the main (and probably the only)  draws – but we can’t not make note of the kinds of story and writing issues that pop up in each season.

Lest we end this review on a too-negative note, we’ll assure you that we still love the show, flaws and all. And a somewhat mediocre hour of American Horror Story still has us far more engaged than just about anything else on TV right now. If high style and ridiculously good acting are the only things keeping us here, that’s still enough.

But we think this show will plummet in quality the second Lange leaves.

 

 

 

 

 

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  • http://communionoflight.com/ Frank Butterfield

    I love you guys more than my luggage (and I do have really awesome luggage!), but a bit like this gives me a disquieting vision of things to come:

    “We realize spending 170 years buried alive might change a person, but
    we’re not entirely sure how Delphine became so repentant over her past
    deeds. She’s all but hugging Queenie while lamenting how cruel she was.
    Okay, fine. But why? What changed?”

    All your fab Glee recaps began to have questions like this and then the Hindenburg of it all exploded and crashed. Not trying to tell you how to recap but I do want to say that Ryan Murphy probably read a lot of Gabriel Garcia Marquez in his formative years because she loves her magical realism, whether it’s at an improbable and magical high school or in an improbable and magical coven down on the bayou.

    • BayTampaBay

      I thought Gabriel Garcia Marquez was a guy! LOL! LOL!

      Shows how lost I am.

      • Yeliana007

        He is!

      • http://communionoflight.com/ Frank Butterfield

        Sorry for the confusion of a gender-swapping misplaced pronoun. By she, I was referring to Ryan Murphy.

        • marlie

          Ryan Murphy is a guy, also.

          • Hayden Drewery

            Murphy is a gay man. We (gay men) often refer to other gay men by female pronouns.

          • marlie

            OH. Heh. I learned something today. ;)

          • Steven Thomas

            i always have found that kinda repulsive myself. I am a gay man but not part of that “we”.

          • Alex Palmer

            Oh wow, you’re so unique and special, Steven Thomas. You’re not a part of the “we”. Pray tell, what is so “repulsive” about being referred to with female pronouns? To the untrained plebeian, it might appear that you’re suggesting that being a female is repulsive?

            So I guess my question is as follows: does that statement make you a sexist elitist or a self-loathing, self-important homosexual?

            In short: good god, get a grip, girl.

          • Steven Thomas

            To the untrained plebian or even the common half-wit it would seem my problem is not with females but with males who claim all gay men want to be girly like you.

          • Alex Palmer

            Oh, so a femme-shaming, self-loathing, self-important homosexual. Got it. I was fairly certain.

            Honestly, if you’re unable to see that having a problem with effeminate homosexuals is a direct link to a subconscious, nasty bout of ingrained misogyny then you should probably go back to the drawing board.

            Also: If you have a problem with “girly gay men” and furthermore don’t identify or relate to them, then why on Beyonce’s green earth are you even on a site like TomandLorenzo? Methinks she doth protest too much.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      I’m not sure what’s disquieting about discussing a TV show or what the HIndenburg has to do with it.

      • http://communionoflight.com/ Frank Butterfield

        I think my humor got lost here. Let me reiterate — love you, love your work, love these recaps, love it all. Still sad that you gave up on Glee. Don’t want you to give up on this show. That is all.

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          Thanks. I guess I’m confused, because we haven’t given any indication we’re giving up on the show, so far as I can see. We keep saying it’s our favorite thing on television.

          • http://communionoflight.com/ Frank Butterfield

            Oops! Something odd just happened at the top of this thread… Which is par for the course here.

            And… it feels like I am throwing a wet blanket on things here, which wasn’t my intention but sure does look like exactly what I was doing in my original comment. So, to the extent possible, please disregard. Sometimes I’m just too cute for my own good.

  • SeppiChicago

    Boy, you fellas nailed it right on the head on every point. If you’re gonna do zombies, be original about it or don’t do it at all. I was also taken aback at how repentant LaLaurie suddenly was. Monsters of her nature rarely have moments of empathy or self-reflection, it was so sudden. And Fiona totally wandered into Sister Jude territory there for a second and yes, why can’t she heal Cordelia? The only thing I disagree on is I don’t think we should assume the Supreme is Zoe. Shouldn’t she be aware of her power, not have it be a surprise? At any rate, the chainsaw scene was awesome.

    BUT WHERE THE FRICK IS KYLE?!? Is he still running around?

    • Lea Setegn

      You’d think that an episode full of zombies from the cemetery would have the main cast zombie roaming around, wouldn’t you?

      • SeppiChicago

        Yes, but then I would hope that an episode full of zombies would have them do something other than lumber around in “Thriller” makeup.

        • Lea Setegn

          The best you could say about those zombies is that they were a callback to early zombie movies like Night of the Living Dead. They inspire fear only en masse.

          • GinAndPopcorn

            I really appreciated the fact that if you wanted to redirect their attention, all you had to do was bang pots and pans together. Who knew that zombies and toddlers would be so similarly entertained?

    • Caaro3

      Maybe pushing up daisies for 170 years really did change LaLaurie. She realizes that everything she knew is gone, her monstrous acts came to nothing but the destruction of her children who, rightfully, hated her. She HAS had a lot of time to think. Also, she’s the maid.

    • andreawey

      I was beginning to think I missed something, where IS Kyle? and btw why wouldn’t Zoe have brought Misty Day back to the coven with her?

  • TrixieConQueso

    Of course, I agree with The Uncles on all well-pointed-out points. Additionally, we were screaming a few things at the screen last night…”Can’t one Zombie in the background do a small Thrilleresque move for fun?” And “Doesn’t any of the young witches remember they are a WITCH during the Zombie Invasion?” (Finally AnnieHall-WannaBe Witch did!) And “WORST. Hospital. EVER.” And. “More Evan Peters PLEASE!”

    • marlie

      Seems like most of the girls’ witchy skills were useless against the zombies. Nan can sense people. Is that all? Queenie tried to stop the zombie Lalurie daughter using her voodoo-doll skill, but that was ineffective. And Zoe/Annie Hall could previously only kill someone by having sex with them, and that would be a really crappy way to have to take out a zombie horde.

      • TrixieConQueso

        Actually, a scene with The Great Zombie-Death-By Sexing-Them could have gotten an award for “Awesomeness in TV History” – IMHO. Thanks for the visual Marlie!

  • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

    No, not the best episode.
    Too much inconsistency, both within characters and special effects.
    The zombie Queenie battled bled dust. But those in the yard, real (old) blood. That bugged me.
    Fiona became amazingly maternal all of a sudden. Zoe suddenly has balls and brains? Too many character swings.
    Still twisted, fucked up fun.

    • tereliz

      The all-over inconsistencies bothered me too. Especially Zoe finally growing a pair. The scene with Fiona had me bawling, but call me old fashioned, I like to know what the parameters of magic are in a show about witches. There are witches who can raise the dead, yet Fiona is worried Cordelia will never see again?

      • http://aspotofwhimsy.com/ diane {a spot of whimsy}

        The resurrection vs. blindness thing really bugged me too. I like having laws to my magic. Otherwise, it changes at whim for the story’s sake, which cheapens everything.

      • marlie

        Plus, there was conversation earlier in the season about most witches having only one power, but the Supreme has more than one (all of them?). I’d love to know what each of them can do, myself. Also, what IS Cordelia’s power (before her blindness)?

        • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

          New question, forgive me if this has been covered. If Queenie can slice her own neck, put her hand in acid, etc. and be unhurt herself, then how could she have been physically hurt by Bastian? I got the impression she was…indestructible.

          • martha

            I think she has to concentrate to use her power. Bastian took her by surprise?

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            Hmmmm. That could work, I guess.

          • Sobaika

            I think she can only do it to herself – Queenie burns a part of herself and decides who will burn instead. Another person hurts her and it affects her like normal. Ex: LaLaurie clonking her right on the head.

          • marlie

            I think she has to have a tool of some sort. She’s used a fork, the hot cooking oil, scissors, etc. Also, maybe her power is only an offensive one, and not a DEfensive one.

          • tereliz

            Interesting thought, but didn’t she use her own two hands to get Bastien… erm… aroused?

          • marlie

            I don’t remember that part. But if that’s the case she wasn’t trying to *hurt* him, so she would have had to use her hands (ick).

      • Aurumgirl

        A lot about Cordelia’s “acid blinding” has bugged me. It bugged me that she was literally standing at a sink when acid was thrown in her eyes, and yet she didn’t think to turn the water on and flush them out.

        But we’re supposed to believe she’s got that chemistry thing down because she’s so knowledgeable about plants for healing and spells.

      • martha

        When Fiona zeroed in on the stillborn, I thought she wanted the baby’s optic nerves for Cordelia. The resurrected her I was so confused!

  • RussellH88

    1. Zoe with a chainsaw redeemed her in my eyes. That was awesome as hell. And when she cast a spell that actually hurt Angela Basse1t, my brother and I both gasped.

    2. I think that Fiona had too easy of a time convincing everyone of Myrtle’s guilt, and I was pissed to see Frances Conroy go, but then I was clapping for joy that she was brought back.

    3. Kathy Bates is really killing it this season. She really makes me feel sorry for her, even if the writing hasn’t earned it.

    4. Spalding’s hand-to-mouth reaction to Madison’s arm ripping off was hilarious (I wish Misty would bring her back too, maybe Madison and Myrtle could team up to take Fiona down)

    • Eric Stott

      If Madison comes back to life she’s going to be REALLY pissed

      • marlie

        And Misty does seem to be heading in that direction (?). I wonder if there’s a time limit on Misty’s ability.

        • Madam Von Sassypants

          OOOH! Misty revives and then recruits Madison to her Revenge Coven!!!
          The 3Ms: Misty, Myrtle, Madison.

    • http://aspotofwhimsy.com/ diane {a spot of whimsy}

      Re #2 – that was really odd to me too. And why does being the acid culprit mean you also had something to do with Madison’s death?

      • notterriblybitter

        Their jurisprudence is all over the place and leaves a lot to be desired. Originally, Fiona was being questioned about killing Madison and Anna-Leigh but is cleared of both crimes because 1) Madison wasn’t the next Supreme and 2) Spaulding said that Myrtle cut his tongue out. Any high school debate team would just crush the council.

        I’m now inclined to believe that the acid culprit is from Marie Laveau’s coven. I think Cordelia was attacked to keep her and Fiona distracted and away from the house while the zombies attacked.

        Unrelated to all of this; I would hurt someone for Zoe’s hat. Fiona’s hat was also fantastic. Lots of great hats this episode.

        • GinAndPopcorn

          I could not take my eyes off of that hat. I want one desperately.

          • Shug

            This show makes me want to stock up on fab black hats, LBDs, and black stilettos and to wear nothing else again ever.

    • Euripides Trousers, You Pay Fo

      I was glad to see her resurrected, as well. In fact, the moment I saw that shawled figure walk over to the site of the burning of Myrtle Snow, a smile happened across my face. Loving both of those characters, lots.

  • In_Stitches

    Queenie causing the acid burn was quite the turn that I did not see coming, partially because they gave us a cut of Myrtle actually dressed up as the robed assailant.

    • Sobaika

      I was PISSED at Fiona wrapping Queenie around her finger so easily. Still, Lange’s line delivery was golden. “Maybe that’s what this coven needs. A Supreme of… color.”

      • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

        I didn’t like that after that little manipulation, Fiona wiped her hands, seemingly in disgust after touching Queenie, . It seemed to conflict with her very anti racism stance.

        • Sobaika

          I’ve been saying for a few weeks now, she is not as open-minded as she’d like you to think. She abhors LaLaurie’s behavior (who wouldn’t?) but her hammer-and-nail talk and treatment of Queenie speak volumes.

        • Lea Setegn

          It’s easy to be anti-racism (or lots of things) in theory but have a difficult time putting it into practice. Also, given Fiona’s attachment to pretty things and being beautiful, I’ve always assumed that her issue with Queenie had to do with weight, not color.

          • SassieCassy

            yeah i was thinking weight might be it too. we all know she is not supreme bc they have to be glowing health and queenie is not. her buying into is just made her look stupid.

            but theres been enough uncomfy talk from fiona to make it clear the writers/lange dont want her to be a cut and dry equal opportunist. she blamed the voodoo witches for her predecessors murder

        • JenFay

          I noticed the hand wiping as well. I wonder if it was truly in disgust, or if it was for some other reason – like a magical something or other. Queenie seemed awfully subdued at the end of that conversation. Maybe Fiona “helped” wipe away her doubts?

  • indigospade

    Favorite episode so far. Voodoo zombies are so much fun and I love seeing the students do more than sit in the house or comforting frakenkyle. When Jessica Lange is gone season 5 they need to make Kathy Bates or Angela Basset their new go to Diva. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

  • Eric Stott

    This show merits at least one style post- Zoe wore that huge black hat with Panache

    • tereliz

      Zoe’s burning outfit was the best part of the episode.

      • Eric Stott

        I’ll say!

      • Darren Nesbitt

        She didn’t own it either. By the way Fiona walked and the girls stumbled along I”m sure she dressed them for the burning. BTW I used to follow one of the albino men in suits. He is really cool and I’m happy to see him have a roll in tv. (He usually did artistic print modeling).

        • marlie

          I’d love to see one/both of those guys with bigger roles than just “minion.”

    • marlie

      And I LOVED Jessica Lange/Fiona in that fedora.

    • zenobar

      I desperately covet that hat.

      Also: Where the hell is the swamp-dwelling Misty getting all her fabulous clothes from? Did she magick up those kickass boots using alligator skin and the tears of white-winged doves?

      • Lea Setegn

        Seriously! I was wondering that myself. And why the costume designers are all about obi-type belts???

        • zenobar

          Maybe performing all that magic requires good lumbar support.

    • http://frankbettecenter.org/ sleah_in_norcal

      speaking of style, queenie has mostly been dressed pretty dowdy so far. it would be great to see her join the voodoo coven and great into some wild pristess garb.

  • osu86

    1. I kept thinking the hospital montage was going to be a hallucination. Because why the heck was it so creepy?!

    2. Yeah, I need the powers defined. Why can’t Jessica just heal Cordelia? Unless it was magical acid? That’s the only thing that seems plausible – like it was some type of cursed poison that is beyond the power of Jessica Lange.

    3. Agree about Delphine. Ummm, she goes from being the most sadistic mother ever to all of a sudden completely changed? Don’t buy it. Also, settle an argument – are they in her old house? Or is this a completely new mansion?

    4. More of the witch’s council please. The burning at the stake scene was terrific! And I would want to be friends with Misty Day ASAP given that you don’t have to have a fear of death when she can immediately resurrect you. Why again did Zoe fail to mention the coven to her? She would be a tremendous asset right about now.

    • Lea Setegn

      Delphine’s house is an historic site with tours – remember the tour the students went on in the beginning? So this is a new house for Delphine.

      • osu86

        Oh you’re right! Thanks! My BF will feel so validated now. We were fighting about it all last night because I was saying Spalding’s attic was where Delphine kept her prisoners. I stand corrected!

        • Lea Setegn

          Sorry I couldn’t help you out. :)

    • Matthew Vella

      I assume Zoe didnt mention the coven to her, cos she doesn’t want the other members of the coven to know that she resurrected whatshisface, which naturally would happen if Misty joined.

      • Madam Von Sassypants

        You’d think if Misty was able to sense that Zoe needed her help with Kyle that she’d sense a whole coven a mile away.

    • zenobar

      THANK YOU. Why were the lights flickering like something out of The Walking Dead? Why were the halls completely deserted? What was up with the creepy old diapered guy who grabbed her in the hallway? How did she obtain a keycard to the dispensary? That whole sequence was deeply unsatisfying.

      • crystal76

        I think that it was her powers that got her in there?

        • zenobar

          Honestly, I could swear she tried the door, it was locked, and a second later she swiped a keycard to get in. Maybe the flickering hall lights had me seeing things :)

          • TonyGo

            I believe she used her fingernail in the keycard swiper.

  • Angela_the_Librarian

    I think Misty and Myrtle are going to form their own coven and battle against Fiona–the misfits versus the cool girls. I just re-watched the Evil Dead series last week, so seeing Zoe hacking away zombies with a chainsaw made my Ash-heart happy (side note: wouldn’t Bruce Campbell be perfect for this series? They should get him next season).

    I think the storyline with Madam LaLaurie is the most frustrating this season. I still don’t understand her significance to the story and her sudden regret about her past behavior rings untrue. I hope her part of the story becomes clearer in the next few episodes. It would be such a waste to give Kathy Bates an ill-defined character.

    Finally, I didn’t understand how they could strip Fiona of her Supreme title. I understand that they could remove her as head of the coven, but could they also strip her powers? Without taking her powers away I’m not sure how they could contain her.

    • Lea Setegn

      I suspect that you’re applying too much logic to the storylines. :) I LOVED seeing Zoe as Ash – especially combined with Queenie’s comment at the beginning of the episode, where she says, “Tell it to the Army of Darkness out there.”

      • Angela_the_Librarian

        Oh, I missed her comment about the army of darkness. Good catch!

  • Chelsea

    “Fiona can resurrect the dead but she can’t cure her daughter’s blindness or heal her disfiguration?” : My thoughts EXACTLY.

    On a separate note, I can’t wait until Cordelia fucks Hank’s shit up. Bad ass witch style.

    • Darren Nesbitt

      Yes the powers are confusing.
      Queenie – I guess the human pin cushion has an on/off switch because I thought it would have been used with the Minotaur.
      Cordelia – She can see people’s memories/thoughts by touch? Wouldn’t she have known her husband was a killer.
      The Supreme – Unlike most witch stories bringing back the dead isn’t the ultimate power. I’m surprised she can’t cure blindness. (I’m almost certain Laveau could do it).
      Myrtle Snow – What is her power? I hope she comes back and wreaks havoc.

      I need one of the coven witches to join Laveau and create some traitorous drama!

      • GinAndPopcorn

        I’ve been wondering if that is where Queenie will end up. She said in the first episode that she is a descendant of Tituba, and when Fiona and Marie Laveau had the “hammer and nail” argument, wasn’t Tituba mentioned there as well? I’m not sure, but I seem to recall that. All that has to happen now is for Queenie to realize that Fiona is lying about backing her as the next Supreme and for Queenie to meet up with Marie Laveau and things could get really interesting.

        • Sobaika

          Right. The European witches were accused of stealing from voodoo witches and building their power/dominance on this theft. Given Queenis’s ancestory, I’m not how she ended up with the coven in the first place since they are from the Salem line of witches.

        • Darren Nesbitt

          I agree. Queenie’s power is very Voodoo-ish so I think she may end up going to Team Laveau. Especially after she talked to the Minotaur about being lonely and un-loved..etc. She may not feel at home with the coven.

      • crystal76

        I think Cordelia has that gift after she was blinded…

        • Lea Setegn

          That was my take. She lost her physical sight and gained psychic sight.

      • Shug

        With respect to Queenie’s human voodoo doll powers, I suspect that only works when she is doing it and concentrating on her victim. She isn’t immortal.

        • Darren Nesbitt

          Neither are the assistant witches in Laveau’s “coven”. Marie is the Queen and Queenie could be one of her new priestesses in training.

          • Shug

            Could it be that the choice of the name Queenie is a heavy handed Ryan Murphy hint at that? :)

            ETA- to clarify, I didn’t mean to imply immortality was a requirement to be in Marie’s coven – totally agree with you there.

          • http://frankbettecenter.org/ sleah_in_norcal

            along with giving her the name queenie, he calls her the human voodoo doll. this could be foreshadowing her becoming a voodoo queen. maybe she will be so pissed when she figures out that fiona’s just using her, she’ll join the dark side. i’m totally down with that. i’d love to se her in a dancing voodoo trance.

          • Shug

            I just love her. The line about Madison giving the Grim Reaper a hand job…DEAD. I was dead. Then Marie Leveau brought me back.

        • marlie

          Right. It also seems like Queenie’s power is offensive only, but doesn’t inherently *protect* her from harm.

      • http://frankbettecenter.org/ sleah_in_norcal

        i think queenie couldn’t tap into her vodoo-doll powers because she was actually sexually excited by the minautar and so he was able to hurt her before she could gather her senses. re: cordelia, i thought this was a new power brought on by her blindness. you know, it’s often said that for blind people the other senses grow stronger to compensate. it will be interesting to see how it develops.

  • epenthesis

    I’m a little annoyed that Queenie is so easily manipulated. But hopefully that’s also a blind.

    I enjoyed Zoe’s chainsaw rampage, but the character is still a bit of a Mary Sue. With so many distinctive, well-motivated, genuinely impressive characters, I’m having trouble getting excited about her.

    Who the hell had the opportunity to throw the acid? It presumably wasn’t Myrtle, couldn’t have been Fiona, and the girls, Delphine and Spalding were trapped by zombies at the time (and Marie Laveau was controlling them). Was it one of the other Council witches? Misty Day? Patti LuPone? Someone yet to be introduced?

    • Sobaika

      It can’t be someone we haven’t seen/heard of yet, that would be too cheap.

      Maybe the redhead internet friend of Hank’s? Maybe she was a witch? IDK.

      • SassieCassy

        i dont think its her but SPOILER ALERT the actress said on twitter shed be back so that character is not done

    • thermos

      I immediately suspected either Quentin or Pembroke as acid throwers.

      • SassieCassy

        its beverly leslie. he seems like a shit stirrer

        • marlie

          I love that guy.

    • Eric Stott

      Maybe it’s Kyle – who knows what’s in that scrambled brain?

  • ovarB

    I think the Laveau declaration of the “power in that house” was a little too in your face after Zoe dispatched of the last Zombie and knocked Laveau out of her spell. I really hope that was a loud distraction to quietly build the punch of potential Supreme Misty and the power she has yet to yield. I have enjoyed Fiona as well as Delphine being front and center in the story but I would like to see a bit more of the other witches. As of now they are merely called upon devices in which Fiona wields her power with or against.

    • tereliz

      Yeah, this episode really felt like paper dolls being dragged around on a set. Everyone feels like a plot device, or has strange motivations. I would love to see Misty and Zoe battle it out over who is the Supreme, but I wouldn’t count on it.

  • Gineral

    I get the feeling that LaLaurie is just playing for time. She is completely outgunned at this point in time. She is also 170 years behind the times and needs to catch up. Her former position of power as a wealthy white slave-owner in New Orleans no longer plays. She has to figure out where her psychopathic self can go to reclaim a power base. So, she eventually hears Ted Cruz on the TV and joins the Dominionists and Tea-Partiers.

  • Lea Setegn

    I hate to be repetitive, but could we PLEASE have some episodes where the students are actually taught???? I hate to see the school idea being used as a convenient way to have all these people in the same place.

    • marlie

      I think the “school” is just a front for just a place for witches to live. Though Fiona did say something to Cordelia about her not having taught the girls to use their powers…

      • Eric Stott

        They said in the first episode that it was once a school, but the coven just uses it as a front.

        • Lea Setegn

          Somehow I assumed that the front was that it was a regular school. And since Cordelia talked about teaching the girls, I’m now totally confused.

          • LaurieRoz

            Maybe it’s a school that uses the “unschooling” model of teaching? Essentially, let the girls do what they want, but be there to advise & guide and informally teach along the way. They did show Nan reading, so maybe she (unlike the other girls) is interested in educating herself in subjects other than discovering/refining their witch powers?

  • Sobaika

    What I find so off is the timing and pace of things – it’s been about 6 hours since Kyle went missing, right? And LaLaurie went from refusing to serve Queenie to sobbing in her arms in three days? It stretches the plausibility of things.

    • MilaXX

      Yep, it’s not that it’s outside the realm of possibility for LaLaurie to see the error of her ways, it ‘s just hard to swallow that it would happen over a matter of hours.

  • Guest

    I read all the re-caps but just can’t watch because of all the torture and racism….I know there is a point to showing it and the “bad guys” usually get what’s coming to them, but…just…won’t…put that kind of imagery in my head.

  • lynnlee

    I don’t think LaLaurie’s change is sudden. We’re seeing her horrific behavior in flashbacks. The last time she saw her children, they’d been hung- and she was told they’d suffered plenty before they died. Then she was chained up and buried for 170 years to think about what she’d just seen. What her actions had brought about. One hundred and seventy years to see how her behavior brought about the death and destruction of everything dear to her. At some point in those all those years, it might have dawned on her that the way she felt was how she made other feel. And even after 170 years, she’s still working on it. I know it is easy to think a monster like her could never change, but I think LaLaurie is supposed to represent white people in general. I live in the the south, and I can tell you there are still white people around who will argue that slavery wasn’t all that bad. Or that the slave owners weren’t bad, they just didn’t know any better. Maybe that’s all true, but they were still monsters. I’ve read diary entries by William Byrd (the founder of Richmond VA -where I live- with numerous public institutions named after him, and man still held in high esteem and taught about in school) that are sickening in their cold recounting of his monstrous behavior to his slaves. Stuff like, “Ate Chicken for dinner. Whipped Anna. Eugene pissed his bed again, for which I made him drink a pint of piss.” He beats slaves for spilling things or for trying to hide the mistakes of other slaves to spare them his wrath- and then he records it like it was part of his work day! There are entries in which he records his wife having slaves he likes beaten so he beats one she likes in revenge. From what I’ve read, that sort of sick thinking leaked into their marriage and family relationships as well- which isn’t surprising considering women and children were considered property back then. It is so hard to understand an entire society being that sick and evil. It’s easier to pretend it was just certain people and certain types. WE could never have been William Byrd or LaLaurie or even Thomas Jefferson (a great guy- except for the part where he enslaved people and forced them to work for him) even if we’d lived in that sick time and place. I know that’s pretty deep for a tv horror show, but I think that’s the point of LaLaurie. Take her out of that time and place, and give her 170 years to think on it, and she can learn how not to be a monster and be a human being instead.

    • Shawn EH

      All I can add is that 170 years is a really long time.

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      I think her response to seeing her zombified daughters made sense (guilt and remorse building up over time about how things ended). However, how she acts with Queenie doesn’t really ring true to me. You’re correct that her ideas and opinions can change over time, but only days prior she wanted to attack Queenie and refused to serve her breakfast based on her color. I suppose you could just say that she’s grateful for Queenie’s help with the bull, but getting to the point where she is sobbing on her shoulder seems a stretch. Like others have posted, I think it is the timing that really makes the scene ring hollow.

      Side note: That was a wonderful analysis about William Byrd. I attended William&Mary for awhile and saw his name plastered all over the place.

    • Sobaika

      How she feels about her daughters now is one thing. But she went from calling Queenie a slave to sobbing in her arms in what feels like two minutes. Nope, not buying it for a second.

      • lynnlee

        Except since she was freed, the only person to show her any concern at all was Queenie. Queenie might have had her own reasons for facing down Bastion, but from LaLaurie’s persepctive- she was terrified and Queenie told her to go hide and she’d take care of it. LaLAurie was saved and Queenie came back half dead. Remember how LaLaurie was all teary eyed over Queenie saving her and how she felt she owed her? I’m with you that the hugging seemed weird, but I do think the writers are trying to show that La LAurie is learning from her past and seeing people in a new light. At first it really bothered me. I didn’t like the idea of such a horrible person based on a real life horrible person would be portrayed in any kind of good light at all. But when those zombies of confederate soldiers and abused daughters and slaves and Indians and super big scary old white men were surrounding the house, the first to see them was LaLaurie. It just seemed like it was a lot about confronting our racist past and how that poisoned our society and culture and family relationships. La Laurie saw it right away because they came right to her. She knew immediately who the zombies were. All the young white people were oblivious. The past was literally all around them and coming to devour them and the young white people didn’t notice until Queenie came and pointed it out to them. And even then, they tried to deal with it at first by closing the curtains and locking the doors and finding a place to hide then by pretending they weren’t real and telling them to go away. It was Madame LaLaurie who opened the door to face the past honestly and apologize. To try and make amends. So in that context, I do think a huge change in her is makes sense. When she killed her zombie daughter, she was doing it to make amends to her daughter, but also to save Queenie. That seems like an enormous change to me.

        • Lea Setegn

          I’m not sure if you just gave Ryan Murphy too much credit, but this is brilliant.

      • Eric Stott

        I’m buying it, but not feeling that it’s a major change of heart- Delphine has had her world torn out from under her – twice – and is experiencing being powerless. She’s going to be loyal to Queenie as long as Queenie can protect her. She’s talking as if she’s full of remorse, but there’s a lot of self pity in it.

        • SassieCassy

          self pity – nailed it. its why she was weeping watching mr obama on the telly. ‘what has happened to this glorious nation i am so sad woe is me gonna cry forever’

          i dont believe for a second that she thinks of poc as anything less than human and i am REALLY uncomfortable with the redemption storyline. lalaure is evil incarnate. kathy bates is awesome but i do not sympathize with her at all

          • Eric Stott

            I feel some pity for her, but that’s not the same as sympathy. Pity doesn’t require me to like someone.

          • harlowish

            I am also uncomfortable with the redemption arc with LaLaurie. I think I’d feel different if she wasn’t based on a historical figure. Madame LaLaurie was a real-life human being who committed real-life atrocities, and it makes me uncomfortable that it seems we’re being asked to sympathize with (or even pity) her when there’s no evidence the real LaLaurie ever repented of her actions.

            But of course, when your show brings back Anne Frank and lobotomizes her, I guess all bets are off.

          • lynnlee

            Yeah. I really hate the idea of giving her any forgiveness or
            humanity and it may be they’re playing with the audience. But it seems
            like really in your face symbolism that her two greatest threats since
            she came back were her own creations. The Minotaur she made (and by the
            way- how did she even do that? I thought she wasn’t a witch? How could
            she turn a man into a magical creature?), which you’d think she
            wouldn’t have been so scared of considering she created him. And then
            they have Queenie save her from him. And then her own child- also warped
            and destroyed because of her and this time she faces it and admits
            she’s to blame. Then she saves Queenie from the monster she made. It
            just doesn’t seem like she’s as big a threat or danger to Queenie as
            Fiona- who claims to hate racists. I mean, it is ironic that this
            famously racist evil woman is the only white person in the witch house
            who is actively confronting and dealing the racist past that haunts the
            South (and our entire country, really) and is protecting Queenie at the
            same time the white Supreme is manipulating and using Queenie while
            pretending to be her friend. And I forgot about what they did with Anne
            Frank last season! I thought that was way over the line- so who knows
            what will happen this season.

        • lynnlee

          Could be Eric. I might be overly influenced by what they did with Lange’s character last season. She was a horrible, abusive person who eventually spends years suffering from the same type of treatment she gave to others, but is finally saved by one of the people she abused and lives out her last years with him helping him raise his children and surrounded by people who love her. She gets to die redeemed.

    • Darren Nesbitt

      OMG! Have you seen the new film Twelve Years A Slave? The actress who plays Cordelia is an EVIL wife that hates her husband’s favorite slave (Our WERQ Lupita Nyong’o). The revenge using slaves is very similar to what happens in the film. Quevanzhane and Brad Pitt are also in the film.

    • Blueathena623

      We have TOTALLY different interpretations of Delphine. I thought this episode pulled a classic AHS “you think you know a character, but you are wrong.” Up until this point, the only slighly redeeming characteristic of her was that she seemed to care about her daughters. Except now we know that she tortured them as well. And apparently enough that they wanted to kill her. And she loves putting on a show because it amuses her.

      I think everything she is doing is a big fat act. Her initial revulsion of Queenie was that she couldn’t quite mask her feelings that well at first. But now she has more control and is playing them all. I think Fiona has a clue — when Delphine tries to connect with her a little as they are burning her zombie daughters, Fiona brushes her off. The only question in that case is why Nan hasn’t caught on, but honestly, the writers have been pretty lax in terms of Nan (I mean, couldn’t she solve the whole Madison death/myrtle acid attack by just reading some minds?)

      And despite the fact that several people have argued it, I can’t understand why her being in a box for 180 years would make her repent. She is crazy evil with no love in her heart. How is she supposed to grow a conscience? Basically, she viewed other people as things, less than animals. Now, pretend you are a generally mean person and you swat Mosquitos away from you. Now these mosquitos gang up on you, steal the few things you kinda like in life, and stick you in a cell with no hopes of ever getting out. Are you really going to go all hippie dippe and start to think the mosquitos were right to basically send you to hell just because you swatted at them, or are you going to think that if you ever get out you are going to nuke every mosquito everywhere?

  • Matthew Vella

    Yeah I was also confused about their powers. I think this episode actually highlighted their weaknesses. For all their abilities, the supreme is dying of cancer, her daughter is barren and now scared and blind, not to mention the rest of the girls were relatively incapable of defending themselves.

    • Madam Von Sassypants

      Magic power: CHAINSAW!

    • Lea Setegn

      The Supreme has cancer because the new Supreme is gathering power. It’s been explained that the new Supreme gets the old one’s vitality and power – that’s why Fiona killed the Supreme who taught her, because she wanted all the power immediately and didn’t want to wait for a natural death. Fiona went back to the school because she’s sick – that’s how she knows a new Supreme is rising.

      • Matthew Vella

        Yes yes I know that :) But I just meant that it seemed like this episode focused on their weaknesses!

  • sippiambrose

    Ever notice how zombies seem to favor equidistance posturing from each other?

    • Eric Stott

      the smell?

  • Thundar99

    Wow, you guys are being reeeeally forgiving by giving this episode a “B. I’d give this episode a solid D! And it’s for all the reasons you mentioned, i.e. Delphine/Fiona/Nan/Queenie character development chief amongst them. I think your statement that the line between Jude and Fiona is ill-defined is spot on. Of course to be fair, Lange has always been cast as the Alpha female with a love for the liquor in this Anthology. However, the arc of “Jude” and “Lana” as played by Sara (robbed of an Emmy) Paulson to me are the touchstones of this series. Those set a high bar…but that’s not to say they shouldn’t try to meet that standard with each installment. Last night makes me worry for the season as a whole. I think you may have made the observation in an earlier post about how this season seems to be lighter and more camp, almost as a correction to the psychological darkness of Season 2. It’s understandable…i had to walk away from Asylum and come back almost 6 months later to what turned ut to be a brilliant season…it was that affecting. In “Coven”, at least with last night’s episode, they’ve overshot and gone into Joel Shulmacher’s Batman-grade cheesiness. The zombies were so 70′s B-movie in caliber that they were cartoonish. They should have at least met the bar set by the monstrosity they made of Chloe Svegny .

    Finally thought: as much as i screamed, “How lazy!” at the screen for mimicking “Asylum” what with the blinking lights in the hospital hallway (are ALL medical facilities outfitted with shabby light fixtures?) it makes me think they’re being purposefully self-referential. Sometimes it works poetically (Violet dying via hit and run, Jude hit and running over a girl) and other times, as in this case, it lands like a dud and had the effect of making the intention look haphazard. Keeping my fingers crossed that this was just a temporary dip but I’m a little worried. I read somewhere (and, again, maybe it was here) that Lange was through after this season…which means one of two maybe three things: She’s got a movie calling, She wants a break, or the scripts have hit a wall with this season. I hope I’m proven wrong on all counts.

    • SassieCassy

      sarah paulson deserves all the awards. shes has a really good year with game change, 12 years a slave, and american horror story.

    • Shug

      Lange is through after *next* season. I believe somewhere it was said there would be five seasons and she would be done after season four.

  • Khaleesi1031

    It was too obvious that Zoe is the new supreme, which leads me to believe that is not the case at all. There was already a showdown btw Fiona and the supposed “new” supreme, so I don’t think that will be repeated. With the wild card of Misty Day (why isn’t she in the coven already?!?), makes me think there will a radical change in power transference. Maybe not one Supreme, but all their powers are collectively getting stronger?

    • Madam Von Sassypants

      WHY ISN’T SHE IN THE COVEN ALREADY is something I ask every damn week.

  • Inspector_Gidget

    This is rapidly turning into my least favorite season of AHS. Season 1 had a coherent story with a satisfying ending, Season 2 had a certain over-the-top quality that carried it through the kitchen-sink approach. But this…

    Who are these people? Why are they doing the things they do? They seem to be suffering a bit from Walking-Dead-itis, where the characters only have as much personality as is needed for each particular episode. Zoe has suddenly morphed from meek and mousy into Ash from Evil Dead. Fiona vacillates between stern and in control to weak and powerless. Mme. LaLaurie is sometimes a sadistic crazy person, sometimes a whimpering sadsack. All based on what’s needed for the next scene.

    • Madam Von Sassypants

      Season 2, out of the 3 thus far, is still my least favorite. I love the premise of this one so much that I hope the writing miraculously gets better or at least the characters intentions and capabilities are a little more fleshed out.

      Season 1 was still the scariest by far.

      Dream scenario: At some point the women stop the in-fighting, band together like a super fuckin’ fabulous witches’ Power Rangers, and fight injustice and the patriarchy!

  • webslice33

    season 1 is still my fave…i want to be scared and terrified when watching…i don’t get that feeling with this season but it’s still a good one…ghosts are still the best…

  • xprocessed

    What happened to the PR All Stars recaps? Been checking the site religiously for them but they don’t seem to be turning up. =/

    • marlie

      TLo said a while back (probably in one of the last Project Runway recaps ~ a month ago) that they were sitting this season of PRAS out. BUT… they’ve opened a “TLounge” on Fridays, and that’s where most of the kittens who watch go to discuss.

      EAT: The lounge is also where the kittens discuss other shows that are on over the course of the weekend, and generally just chat about any/everything.

      • xprocessed

        Wow why was my comment deleted? Way to stifle conversation on what is probably a fairly pertinent concern for fans of the blog. Was it really so hard to just respond to the question or leave it there for someone kind enough (like marlie: thanks) to reply?

        I always thought the PR recaps were the best part of the site. Such a shame!

  • Shug

    I think my number one complaint is this: (as the Uncles touched on) we still don’t really understand the rules/logic/hierarchy of the witches/voodoo world being depicted, as opposed to season one. I guess I don’t recall how much of the Murder House logic we understood at this point in that season, but there was a logical, definite system to it. Help us understand, Ryan Murphy…

    ETA: still enjoying this immensely, obvs.

  • Raven

    first post here, heey.

    i think fiona’s power might be that she gives some of her life to resurrect. just as she takes away life to regain hers.
    theorizing here, she might know her days are numbered and is giving breathes of life to feel better about herself. so it’s acts of kindness, but all motivated by selfishness.

    i really got that feeling when she brought back queenie. very kiss of life. she had to gather herself afterwards. not like misty, who simply touches someone.

    although that IS what she did in this episode with the baby. the only thing i can think of is that a baby is smaller, and wouldn’t take as much energy to bring back?

    with that idea in mind, misty could be at least a strong rival for supreme. she’s such a wild card and has such a strong power paired with her betrayal (in her mind at least) by zoe leaving that there should be something there. I would love it if they did something between her and fiona. fiona’s motives are all pretty selfish, meanwhile misty is this…kind of ethereal, natural figure who just shows up and resurrects people because she feels she should. and she’s also guided by something, i remember her saying that about zoe. sensing powers? or perhaps it’s an outside force leading her.

    loved the chainsaw bit. loved the part where zoe was mortified at how witches conduct things. i love zoe, but i also love a bumbling do gooder. especially when they go about being good in a way that backfires. she was made for me to love her.

    • marlie

      You have a point, BUT… I thought the Supreme was the one who had all/more than one power. So if reincarnation is Misty’s only power (even though it’s a great one), she might not be the Supreme. The arrows started pointing to Zoe when she exhibited a power other than the initial one she had. And I don’t know if Misty’s ability to sense things is a part of her hippy-dippy persona, or if she legitimately “senses” things.

      Fiona can do a few things… there’s the reincarnation bit (but with limitations, maybe), she can move things, and… anything else?

      So maybe the idea is that there are two Supreme contenders, both with (maybe) two powers: Zoe and Misty? And if that’s the case, the showdown between the two of them – especially with ZombieKyle in the middle – is going to be interesting.

      • Angela_the_Librarian

        A few episodes back they explained that a Supreme has to demonstrate 7 skills. They didn’t mention what those skills are, but this would point to Fiona having more powers.

        • marlie

          Thanks, I forgot about that. I wonder what they are, and if those are the only 7 skills that exist. I guess I’ll have to go back and rewatch.

          • Angela_the_Librarian

            It was mentioned in the episode with the flashback showing Fiona killing the previous Supreme. The 70′s Supreme (can’t remember her name) mentions that Fiona will need to pass the 7 tests (at least I think it was 7) before she could be named the Supreme.

          • LittleKarnak

            “The Seven Wonders” I believe they are called……more Fleetwood Mac references…..

      • Raven

        fiona can also control people, i think. can she alter people’s memory? the spit in the drink HMM i’m trying to think. they might do that thing where they give a character a handful of powers and then forget about em too.

        but yea, misty might have more powers. right now it seems to be only the resurrection thing. but it could be more. she just seems so good at it that she could be harnessing a lot more in her. bringing back someone has been shown as something that takes a lot of oomph while she just waddles around in the swamp and taps things. or not even! did she touch the crocs..alligators…uh. dinosaurs.

        the whole sensing thing could be a power. i was thinking more like a reason that she is there to unravel the witches. not..to say religious, but the guided by angels kind of trope. she always shows up where things go array and rights it. because she senses it. she sensed kyle being brought back to life and she sensed a witch burning. she may not know why she’s there or understand it, but she always seems to end up in the right place of a wrong happening.

        plus her first appearance in the show she was wearing white and it was very….innocent…i get a martyr feel from her. and her constant undoing of death. especially since she was the first witch to be shown as killed for doing something which would be viewed as a miraculous blessing. i think the bird might have been a dove too!

        i just want more misty, she’s so super cool.

        • http://frankbettecenter.org/ sleah_in_norcal

          lily rabe has such an angelic countenance, she is perfect for this role too. more misty for me too.

    • marlie

      Also… welcome!

  • Darren Nesbitt

    Are we getting Ms. Universe coverage soon? Miss Venezuela was awesome!

  • ZnSD

    So say we all! lol

  • Chevalle

    I agree that this was an incredibly lackluster episode. For starters, it felt incredibly rushed. There were snippets of emotional gravitas that were, by and large, overshadowed by spectacle. This usually isn’t how American Horror Story works, which made me frown. I’m bored with Zoe. So incredibly bored. I think my favorite thing was Nan helping the boy-next-door (whose name I can’t be bothered to remember right now) and telling him that she wasn’t going to let him die, no matter what. Maybe I just have a crush on Jamie Brewer, but anytime she’s in the spotlight it makes me smile. I had a VERY difficult time getting on board with that shady-as-fuck hospital. I get that its a “horror” television show, but that just came out of nowhere. I didn’t like drugged out Fiona, probably for the same reason you listed. It seemed too reminiscent of that episode where Sister Jude gets schwasted. The scene with the baby was wonderful, but too rushed. The transitions were rather rough. Loved Fiona vs Husband, they have a fun dynamic.

    I thought the whole scene where Fiona framed Myrtle was kind of unrealistic (I hate to use that word in the context of this show). Fiona brought up all these “clues” that pointed to her that we’d never seen before (like the apartment), and it’s dangerously teetering on unreliable narration (which is a no-no in both theatrical and fiction writing). It’s lazy writing to just whip plot tools like that out of nowhere. Also, I have a hard time believing that Queenie, whose attitude thus far has been “I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR YOUR SHIT,” would be so easily manipulated by Fiona. Is it possible? Sure. Just not with the amount of interaction we’ve seen them have. In the same vein, Myrtle’s reaction to being BURNED WITH SULFURIC ACID should have been a bit bigger to make it believable. But it wasn’t, of course, because that would have tipped the audience off that foul play was afoot. That irritates me. Furthermore, I have a difficult time believing that Queenie’s guilt over being an ACCESSORY TO MURDER would be so easily assuaged.

    I wish the show would spend more time talking about, oh I don’t know, WITCHCRAFT. This is, after all, supposed to be a SCHOOL for WITCHES, yet the characters spend the episodes doing anything but engaging with the setting. I think it’s great for everyone to have their individual character spines (Cordelia wants a normal family, Fiona wants immortality, etc etc) but there needs to be a theatrical glue that brings everyone together. That’s supposed to be the school, and right now it isn’t serving a dramatic function at all. Also, I agree that this season is all about Ryan Murphy playing with her paper doll diva characters and giving them scenery to chew. Which, is fine I suppose, if only the characters were a little more three dimensional than paper.

    • Krazilia Love

      I thought that Fiona grabbing her hand was to distract her from the pain, and they were arguing. It’s flimsy, yes, but that’s what I got from the scene. She had just a moment before that made her sit down against her will, maybe she thought it hurt more from her witchy powers lol. A witch chasing pills with alcohol made me laugh for some reason. My question from last week was how the heck did they get Queenie up the steps.

    • tereliz

      All your other excellent points aside, the hospital scene was just SO contrived. The dirty floors and walls and flickering lights… I’ve been in some pretty shitty hospitals in the GNO area, but none of them were THAT bad. I mean, the treatment might not be the best, but they’re relatively clean and typically well-lit. Like every other hospital in every other effing city in this country.

      • Shawn EH

        I think it was more from Fiona’s point of view; the way she, in her drunken stupor and misery over Cordelia, sees hospitals.

    • SassieCassy

      i agree about the unreliable narration. we didnt see the hotel room and stuff and i dont even know when she had the time to do it

  • Krazilia Love

    I thought that Fiona threw the acid since she was setting up Myrtle? And, that’s why she raised the baby because she did such a horrible thing to her own child? I am reading things aren’t there. This show plays with my mind!!

    • Chevalle

      She couldn’t have thrown the acid because she was sitting at the bar while Cordelia was in the bathroom. Unless this is another annoying example of unreliable narration.

      • Krazilia Love

        Well, she’s a witch. A couple of supernatural possibilities. Or she could have gotten someone to do it.

    • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

      That’s my theory too! Although I don’t think she actually threw it herself, but had Quinten the warlock on the council do it (whoever did it was very short). It fits with the way she gets her victims drunk before she strikes and it explains why she seemed so guilt stricken while wandering around the hospital.

  • Krazilia Love

    She’s all but hugging Queenie while lamenting how cruel she was. Okay, fine. But why? What changed?

    Well, Queenie did put her life on the line for her and almost died AND she is probably grateful to be out of that hole and don’t want to do anything that’ll put her back in there. 170 years is long time to think about your misdeeds. The problem is that she’s such a SADIST that I can’t imagine that 170 years would give you a conscious. lol I’d think she’d still be that sadistic sociopath, by nature. So, yea, in that sense it is a stretch.

  • Krazilia Love

    Anyone else feel like Myrtle gave up too easily? And then, just so happens, Misty comes along and resurrects her? Probably no connection, but… I thought it was interesting.

  • BookishBren

    I wonder if Cordelia being hurt/injured ties into some agenda Fiona has?
    Perhaps that is why she didn’t heal her or attempt to (Cordelia’s Other Sight abilities aside).

  • e jerry powell

    I think Lange has at least two more Emmy-nom scenes coming somehow.

  • Bo

    Love the Saint Laurent Looks.

  • Joseph Collier

    I realized after watching the episode that I’m kinda confused why Kathy Bates is there considering we haven’t seen anything about her being a witch… only where she’s maimed and tortured slaves.

    • Shawn EH

      She made a Minotaur.

      • Joseph Collier

        I might be fuzzy but all I remember her doing is putting a hallow bull head on the man. Has she done any other “magic”?

        • Shawn EH

          But it became his actual head. With working eyes, etc.

  • Blueathena623

    I know I am totally spoiled by Mad Style, but I’ve been hoping y’all would touch on the color symbolism this season. Maybe the fact that its really obvious is why it hasn’t been discussed. What I’ve noticed is that witches on team Fiona wear black and white. Madison starts as a wild card, wearing lots of colors, but as she is taken under Fiona’s wing, she loses her color. Black and white. Zoe never had much color, but she starts to lose what little she had. Delphine quite literally loses all her color and pattern with her black and white maid’s outfit. The witch’s council, with one main exception, is mostly black and white with a few hints of color.
    In terms of color, we have the Voodoo clan, and they also have a lot of animal prints.
    I see some blue symbolism, but I’m not sure how I would classify it. Maybe switching sides, or indecision, or even anti-Fiona. Up until now, misty has worn black or whitish with a few earth colors thrown in, like a greenish shaw or a light fawn dressing gown. But when she comes to myrtle, there is that very blue shawl, and then the close up of the blue of Myrtle’s eye.
    I see red as revenge/hatred. See: fabulous Myrtle, Fiona killing Madison.
    I think I’ve seen Cordeilia wear a few black and white flower patterns (at least that was her first outfit) and now that we know that Myrtle cared for Cordelia I find her flower shawl interesting. (It is bright red flowers, correct?)
    The whole point of this is that I find Queenie interesting. Sometimes she is almost black and white (and I mean when she chooses her clothes, not just when Fiona makes them wear black) but sometimes she is animal prints and bright colors. Again, I could totally be reading way to much into it, and it could be all coincidence, but when Queenie tricked the council, she still had on a black shirt with her robe that had red lace. When she semi-confronts Fiona, its animal print and printed blue pants.
    So I guess future episodes will show if I’m crazy or not.

  • JustSayin’

    Wow! Zoe with a Chainsaw. Great name for a band. Even better on a t-shirt. If Zoe is the Supreme, that’s fabulous, but her character has never seemed seductive enough for the role. She doesn’t have that “I-want-to-join-this-sorority-because-the-president-is-so-cool” quality. Also, it still doesn’t explain why Murphy treats Lily Rabe’s name differently than everyone else’s in the opening credits.

  • Shawn EH

    Though I hesitate to suggest a theme for AHS: Coven, this week it was clearly motherhood. Fiona’s raging loyalty to the daughter she disrespects was unexpected; the bitterness of her scene with Cordelia’s husband was every mother-in-law nightmare times thirteen; Madame LaLaurie wishing she’d done differently by her daughters; Myrtle not having children in order to be a servile witch; even the bonding between Fiona and Queenie (whom she previously brought back to life, or at least cured), as artificial as it was.

    I think Madame LaLaurie was a child before, but has finally become a woman; Fiona’s snobbish vanity prevents her, unlike the formerly much crueller LaLurie, from ever having friends.

  • Nels P. Highberg

    I still say Myrtle threw the acid so that Cordelia can now “see” the truth about her mother as soon as she touches her, just like she saw the truth about Hank when she touched him.

  • Louise Bryan

    Well, it’s too late for my comments to mean much but I want to put in my two cents anyway, just for the record.

    Babies are strange creatures compared to adults. They are less fixed, fresher. There have been babies born who were essentially dead, but who unexpectedly and inexplicably started being alive. Cordelia is an adult, not especially youthful (i.e. over 25, which is, sadly, when things start going downhill in homo sapiens). Her body has been through a lot, both through living and things she has done to herself (or that have been done to her). The baby, well, it seems like Fiona just got the “soul” and the body back together. Healing Cordelia would be a much bigger deal. That may be Misty’s task if it can be done at all.

    Look at what Misty managed to do for the Kyle monster, and she brought herself and Myrtle Snow back to life after burning. It will be interesting to see if she is able to heal Myrtle back to a (more or less) normal appearance.

    Delphine never struck me as a particularly strong character. Her cruelty seems to stem more from weakness than any sort of power. She’s had 175 years to develop regret for her actions, but rather than remorse, she just seems afraid of the natural (?) consequences of her past. It would seem her daughters have no reason to recall her lovingly.

    Two cents worth. Sorry it is so long; I’m a bit pressed for the time needed to edit.

  • Mariah J

    I really love the evil Delphine but there is a total disconnect as to why she is suddenly not a monster anymore (not suddenly because it has been 170 years but suddenly in the mind of the viewer) We need some kind of explanation of her turn around other than my family died and I’m a lowly maid now. I think the resurgence power has been strictly defined as giving “life” not a healing power but it would be nice if all the powers could be a bit more defined anyhow.

    The nerd in me screamed out “She used turn undead!!” when Zoe did her new power thing. lol

  • bobman59

    Ryan Murphy, I can smell the bullshit in yo’ pockets.