Walking Dead: “Nebraska”

Posted on February 18, 2012

“Oh.”

That was our voiced response when this episode opened at exactly the point the last one ended. It wasn’t a happy sound.  Considering our complaints about the first half of the season – that too much time was spent on that damn farm, standing around talking – there was no way we were going to be happy to find out that absolutely no time has passed since the events of the mid-season finale. Was it a requirement for us that time pass between episodes? No, but we think the story might have been the better for it.

The thing about this show is that it’s determined to depict the moment-to-moment lives of people living in the apocalypse. Moment. To. Moment. And if that means 35 minutes of storytime spent on burying the dead and having discussions about the State of Things, then so be it. If that means we spend a chunk of time rescuing an old, grieving man in shock from having a drink, then by God, we’ll do just that. We suppose that for some, this is a good thing, and we have to admit that on paper, it sounds great: a human drama set against an inhuman world. But these people are so goddamn stupid and unlikeable half the time that we honestly don’t care. Seriously, we’re not without empathy, even for our fictional characters, but we’re so fed up with this group – even now, after a long break – that when the pregnant woman flipped her car over, the only thing we said out loud was, “Ohhhhhh, you fucking IDIOT!”

We’ve thought about this; really we have. And while we agree that none of us here would likely act perfectly in a post-apocalyptic situation at all times, we just can’t abide these characters acting stupidly ALL THE TIME, after apparently MONTHS of living this way. What does it say about the rest of the group that the only two people who make any sense are the violent, repressed, angry men? We never want to do anything but punch Shane in the face, but when Darryl went off on Lori for asking him to rescue Rick, we wanted to cheer. What is WRONG with all these people that, hours after they had to SHOOT A LITTLE GIRL IN THE HEAD because she wandered off from the group and got attacked, THEY’RE ALL FUCKING WANDERING OFF IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS?!?!?

Did Lori even TELL anyone that she’d left?

We’ve been so busy this week and we’ve got so much to catch up on that we have absolutely no idea what the critical reactionwas to this episode. All we know is, we haven’t seen one thing to make us think the second half of the series will be any better than the first. It’s not that we want something action-packed (although a little more of that would go a hell of a long way); we just want whatever human drama they insist on injecting into the story to at least be interesting. “This was Sophia,” says Glen to Maggie, as if the death of this mostly unremarked-upon character who had no more than a line or two is supposed to devastate us as much as it’s apparently devastated the group. Classic bad writing; telling us instead of showing us that this character meant something to these people. You can’t fall back on the idea of shocking the audience by shooting a little girl in the head. Not when you already did that in the first 2 minutes of the pilot episode.  The fact of the matter is, Sophia was a non-entity, even moreso than her weepy, laundry-folding mother. Hanging SO MUCH of the season 2 storyline on the actions and final fate of this character was an incredibly bad idea, we have to say. We’ve said this before, but try to mentally substitute Carl for Sophia in the story. Carl wanders off, the group goes frantic trying to look for him, he wanders out of the barn and Rick has to shoot him in the head. Look how well that all works from a dramatic perspective  when it happens to characters who actually have some character to them. Carol’s a nobody and Sophia was little more than an extra. All of this drama feel unearned and emotionally separate from the audience; to the point where characters have to tell us why they’re upset about her death.

And this doesn’t seem to be a problem that’s ended with Sophia’s death. Suddenly, vague background people are very sick and need Herschel’s help. Who is she? Shrug. Someone on the farm. She had a line or two earlier, right? Maybe she’s Otis’ wife or something? Or a step daughter of Herschel’s? The point is, the writers want you to WORRY about the fate of this character you probably never paid much attention to before. Again.

We hate to say it, but they need to start killing of some of the main characters in order to make this story engrossing again. Shoving red shirts into the story to provide drama is lame and the audience won’t stand for it for much longer, we think.

However, in what is becoming a distressingly bad habit for the show, the last 5 minutes or so were engrossing. We can’t quite decide if it was engrossing because everyone in the scene did a great job and the underlying conflict was gripping, or if it was just because there were new people on the scene and we were desperate to listen to anyone speak other than Rick, Lori, Shane or Herschel. Still, there was nicely subtle building tension to the scene and Rick’s final actions were shocking to us – or they would have been if they hadn’t stuck in a Greedo-esque (look it up, non-nerds) moment by having the guy reach for his gun at the last second. We’re thinking that scene would have been much more shocking if Rick killed them in cold blood.

We honestly didn’t want to write such a negative review, but there you have it. Since this second half of the season was presumably the beneficiary of the extra time needed to retool things after show runner Frank Darabont’s firing, we don’t have much hope going forward that it’s going to make us happy. This is apparently the plan for the show: characters are going to stand around having long conversations about other characters we don’t know that well, then suddenly one or two characters will run off and do something really stupid. It’s sad that show’s gotten formulaic so early in its run, but it’s even sadder that the formula they’ve settled on is so un-entertaining.

 

 

[Photo Credit: AMC]

    • http://twitter.com/obscureobjects David Calder

      YUP.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brent-Wolgamott/694486412 Brent Wolgamott

      I’m not saying I disagree with anything you’ve written. In fact, I agree with all of it.  That said, I watched  “Talking Dead” (the after-show, talking about the episode) and I DO get the feeling that the producers have heard us – you, me, and others like us.  Dave Navarro was the best guest they’ve had on the show, because he wasn’t a “B” comedian looking to get laughs.  He said a few stupid things, but basically he conveyed to the showrunner, Glen Mazarra (who was sitting next to him on the couch) that the last 9 episodes were below par.  Navarro said he wants them to get the hell off the farm.  Navarro wants more walkers.  In essence – a 9-episode story build was slower than molasses.  Navarro was actually a bit of a d-ck to Mazarra, and I loved it.  If you watch the internet after-after show, he even went harder at him.  So, Mazarra said he’s heard the critics, and the last 5 episodes address those concerns.  So let’s give it that.  I do take issue with you saying if would have been more shocking to have Rick kill them in cold blood.  Really, TLo?  You want the good guy, one of the moral consciences of the group, the guy who still believes and acts like he’s a Cop (capital “C”), to shoot two new HUMAN BEINGS in cold blood?  Maybe you’re just irritated with the show and this is the result, but that is unthinkable for Rick at this point in time. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brent-Wolgamott/694486412 Brent Wolgamott

         I wanted to add that, my concerns about the show’s first 50 minutes notwithstanding, the last 10 minutes were AMAZING.  The didn’t cut away for almost NINE MINUTES.  It was a rapidly-building situation, one that gave me the same chills as the first episode of the series — namely that something doesn’t seem right — and I’m scared to watch.  I felt like anything could have happened throughout the last 5 minutes of that scene.  The acting was really great, as you saw the realization that they went from “hey, it’s two new faces, YAY!!”, to “Uh-oh, they’re asking where we live – how do we say no to people, human beings, just like us, who are in need?”  That scene has repercussions, and I’m glad for that.  That said, I DO agree with you that I hope these people stop doing stupid things.  

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

        The whole point to that scene was to show that the “good guy,” the “moral conscience” of the group has finally been pushed to this point. Having the other guy reach for the gun lessened that impact considerably.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

           I totally agree with this point. I want to see Rick’s inevitable (IMO) moral decline in the face of a survival imperative. I do not want the writers to make excuses for him by giving him an out. That’s why I love Shane. He’s a shitty human being and no room to doubt it, yet he makes compelling arguments again and again about how much Rick sucks as a leader. However, I am positive Shane will end up being put down just like the guy from Philly was, and that’ll be that.

        • MilaXX

           and might I add it was pretty obvious (AT LEAST TO ME) that Rick would shoot them rather than let them on the farm In true “good guy”  fashion he was willing to be the one to kill in cold blood for the preservation of the group.

      • Anonymous

        I completely agree.  Being a cop isn’t just what Rick “did” before the zombiepocalypse, it’s what he still “is”.  Shooting before given a reason wouldn’t have made sense for the character – one of the other guys had to at least reach first.  For me, this didn’t lessen the impact of the shooting at all.  In the same way I yelled “MORON” when Lori hit the walker, I yelled “BADASS” when Rick unloaded on the newcomers. 

        • Pennymac

          And as someone who dated a cop once upon a time, can I just say that Andrew Lincoln gave an excellent “cop face” in that scene?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JSTXMWWVZN2QNP2UEKJMTWD7U Isabel

          I don’t think it was a walker. I replayed that part a few times. Looked like an ok human.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          I’m not sure how I’d feel if Rick had shot Michael Raymond-James and his friend in cold blood. I think I could have lived with it*. Even without MRJ pulling a gun, it was obvious Rick, Glenn and Herschel were in danger. The problem with Rick is he wants to live the world that no longer exists. I mean, everyone wants that, but Rick tends to make decisions as if they’re still living in that world. That can be dangerous for himself and the group.

          On the other hand, I appreciate that it’s important to him to keep some kind of order and a semblance of normality. He wanted to give those guys every opportunity to be citizens instead of bad news. That’s very in character for Rick. He took a chance by letting it play out the way it did, because he was on his own. Glenn had a rifle, I think, but didn’t seem too interested in using it. But I think he needed to be able to live with himself after all was said and done.

          I think it would have had a much bigger impact if he’d shot first, but, you know, you can’t prove a negative. The way things went provided a big-ass impact as it was. I believe my response was “Holy fuck”.

          *Not counting the fact that MRJ’s character was written as a bad guy and had to be put down. I wish he’d been written differently so he could have stuck around for at least a few episodes.

          • Anonymous

            You and me both, re MRJ. I was SO happy when he walked in the door, and then I rapidly went to the “shit, he’s a bad guy with minutes to live.” I was so hopeful he could stick around and do something really interesting.

    • http://www.what-the-frock.com Dana WhatTheFrock

      I love that you referenced the Greedo moment. My husband and I said the same thing as we watched.

    • Pennymac

      Yes, Ricks actions in the last of this episode were shocking for me, as well. But mostly because he actually acted like theCop/protector of the group and made the nasty bad guys go away. Not by talking them to death and expounding on the morality of post apocalyptic life, but by blowing them away. I hope this means he’ll be less of a talker and more of a doer over the next episodes. 

      And I said the same thing when Laurie wrecked the car.  What an idiot.

      • Anonymous

        this, a million times over.  Rick finally stopped acting like Barney Fife in Mayberry and acted like a real cop post-apocalypse.  It’s the first really smart decision he has made, if you think about it.  These people need to start behaving the way real people would behave if they were surrounded by danger.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1303837450 Lauren Dorsee Dillon

      Yes, I was definitely underwhelmed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1303837450 Lauren Dorsee Dillon

      Also, I might be a terrible person but I was hoping Lori got killed in the car wreck. I’ve had more than I can take of her.

      • http://twitter.com/sub_vino Stacey

        I cheered when she flipped that car.  What a moron.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

          I HOPE that Rick and the guys will find her when they drive back…but only after she’s turned into a Walker.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

             DARN- she’s remarkably unhurt

      • MilaXX

         I do too, but I think it may just be the writers way of dealing with the pregnancy since they can write in a  miscarriage.

      • http://blue-again.myopenid.com/ blue

        I’m hard-pressed to think of a character I don’t dislike. Glenn and Darryl. That’s it. And Darryl only makes the cut because he’s so cute.

        I guess Carl is ok too.

    • http://profiles.google.com/alison.sigman Alison Sigman

      What you wrote was pretty much how things went down as I was watching this episode. At the very end I believe I stated (aloud) “Holy shit what just happened?!” At which point my other half pointed out that Rick had a gun pulled on him. Damn, I was really hoping it was in cold blood. THAT would have been character development. 

    • Anonymous

      I guess you guys are better than us…when Lori flipped the car, hubby and I both yelled “GOOD!!” and pretty much simultaneously said we hope she’s dead.  She’s useless and annoying, and we’re ready to be rid of her.

      And we both keep hoping that Merle will turn back up. 

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

         Yes, this show definitely needs a shot of Merle right now.

      • http://twitter.com/SetMeOnFYYYYAH Miss World

        SAME. Lori needs to GO.

      • Anonymous

        And I was so glad that someone finally made note of the fact that she is ridiculously and unattractively thin.  To borrow a phrase, I think she looks pretty much dead already.

    • Anonymous

      I really wish we were following Vic Mackey from The Shield in zombie world instead of white hat do-gooder sheriff Rick. Vic not only would have shot first, he would have done it a lot sooner, taken their guns, and got the hell outta dodge. He also would have said ‘eff anybody who is stupid enough to run off on their own, let them find their own way back.’  Vic was a dirty SOB but he was a smart survivor.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed! Another sticking point is when the show first aired, they were so cautious about getting Walker blood and spatter on them, even a dot of blood can transmit it, now they throw em on piles barehanded, stab em thru the head with a pitchfork with others right there to have the splatter go in their eye and it’s not a problem? I hate gaping plotholes like that!!! I can’t wait for Mad Men and Game of Thrones to come back, so many shows that were good initially have turned into disappointments.

    • http://twitter.com/SetMeOnFYYYYAH Miss World

      i renamed the show “The Pouting Dead” during this episode.

      • Anonymous

        The Talking Dead – that’s all they fucking do!  

    • Gail Kwak

      I’m so furious at the writers for their portrayal of women in this show.  First, Lori shrieks at Rick for leaving to go find Hershell, then she leaves to go find Rick.  And then, she’s so bloody incompetent that she can’t even drive a car down a deserted road without putting herself in peril.

      And then, after the group puts themselves in danger for days (weeks?) looking for Sophia, Carol refuses to come out to her service because she was “already dead.”  I know that Carol has had a hard life – cancer, abusive husband, dead daughter, probably lots of other disappointments; but her actions didn’t seem to fit what we know about her character.

      • http://twitter.com/DC_Lockwood Michelle

        Carol’s action I can buy because I think she accepted Sophia’s death long ago. It was Daryl who seemed to be pushing it more.

      • Anonymous

        I’m seriously expecting Carol to hang herself in the barn next week. She’s been in a serious depression since her daughter wandered off and just seems to have given up now.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JSTXMWWVZN2QNP2UEKJMTWD7U Isabel

        Andrea – in her past life, she was a lawyer. Today, she’s not getting any intellectual stimulation.

        Carol – is just plain tired.

        Lori – is tired of not being the center of attention.

        Beth (girl in the coma) – how come she was OK with feeding the zombies but not ok when they all were killed? Her mom was already dead weeks ago.

    • http://twitter.com/DC_Lockwood Michelle

      I feel like they won’t kill off Carl because they want to be able to use his comic storyline at some point. Which I see as turning out awful because the kid can’t act and the writers can’t write.

      I’m tired of how they’re protraying the women on this show. Everyone is only important in relation to the men around them. Its disgusting.

    • Anonymous

      I did like Glen and Rick’s little conversation in the car. Glen definitely needs to have a friend and Rick needs an adult beside self-centered Lori and volatile Shane to talk to.  

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I’m wondering if I can just set my DVR to record the last 10 minutes of each episode.  That’s where all the action seems to be.  

    • http://tracismixedbag.com tracismixedbag

      I have to admit that I only enjoyed the last few minutes as well. As much as I thought Lori was a dumbass, I’m happy she’s off the farm, she needs a little action for being dumb. BTW my husband reenacted the Greedo scene (he can’t help it) as an answer to my question of “Who’s Greedo?”

    • Anonymous

      Did anyone see Andrew Lincoln on Letterman?  He was so dull it surprised me.  

    • http://twitter.com/sockandaphone Gaby

      Tlo, your TWD make me sad. BUT, this was airing at the same time as the Grammys so I was switching back and forth and to be honest, I didnt feel like I missed much and towards the end me and my mom were like “….uh, that’s it?” but hopefully they get outta that damn farm already. You do have a point about irrelevant characters, because we kept asking “wait, whos this again?”

    • Molly Flores

      You two are spot on with this review! My exact thoughts upon watching it. But of course funnier and more articulate. :)

    • Anonymous

      I watched Walking Dead right after Downton Abbey and wish I were clever enough to do a mashup of the two ala “Pride and Prejudice and Zombies”, along the lines of that brilliant Buffy/Twilight video.  I think that Lady Mary would be hell on wheels during a zombie apocalypse.  Which pretty much shows how I’m feeling about WD at this moment.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

         Just imagine the one-liners Violet would get off…

        • Anonymous

          She’d probably be wondering who all the “new people” were.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

            ” All these people moaning and staggering about… are we all Italian now?”

            • Anonymous

              The WD would really benefit from a DA infusion now that I think about it.  Can you imagine Matthew’s guilt when Lavinia comes back as a walker?  And Lady Mary shoots her?  And you know it would be Lady Mary.  

              Or Isobel tries to turn Downton into a refugee camp and organize a walker labor force?

      • Anonymous

        I also watch both, but I switch the order–TWD is less reliably entertaining than DA, so I give myself something to look forward to as I knit and wonder how much longer I want to watch the Walking Dead–both it and Glee are on my make-it-to-the-end-of-the-season-and-see list.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JSTXMWWVZN2QNP2UEKJMTWD7U Isabel

      The two guys in the bar – do you think that they escaped from some prison up north?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

         I know where you’re going, but I don’t think this show is going to follow that storyline from the comics- not when it involved sex, sex, rape, torture, child abuse…….all this in addition to the Zombies.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JSTXMWWVZN2QNP2UEKJMTWD7U Isabel

          I read the first two in the graphic novel version, but it was so different from the show, that I decided to stop. So, my question is not a comparison to the other version. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

             well, if you didn’t know there’s a prison storyline you DID hit the nail on the head

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

      Who else wanted the Michael Raymond-James character (the menacing dude from Philly) to kill off Rick et al, and have the show be about him from there forward? It felt like the writers went, “Oh, someone with charisma is getting screen time? SHOOT HIM!” Seriously, that scene in the bar was the best thing that’s happened in the show since Season 1. It’s too bad they ended that story line after only 10 minutes. MR-J is great in everything he’s in, and could have been a great antagonist.

      Still cannot get over the fact that Lori called Darryl selfish b/c he wouldn’t leap and hare off after Rick. Really, Lori?  REALLY?!?

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I silently squealed when MRJ (Britt from Terriers!!) walked through the door. Even when I became suspicious of the character, I was hoping he’d stick around.

        The bar scene was friggin’ awesome. So much tension, no needless bullshit yammering, then “blam!” Holy cats.

        Lori. Jesus, Lori is so monumentally stupid and horrible that there are no adjectives strong enough to describe just how stupid and horrible she is. She wants Daryl to go into town to bring Herschel back when Rick and Glenn left about 5 seconds earlier. Where was the logic? She yells at Rick because he’s going after Herschel, then leaves, without telling anyone, including her son. Speaking of her son, by taking off when she doesn’t have to, she puts him in danger of losing both his parents.

        And I want to pummel the writers for how the women on this show are written. If they can’t make them complex, they could at least make them not total morons.

    • k op

      Ditto on the female characters on this show!   Such a hackneyed stereotype in scriptwriting – when things get boring, or the writers get desperate, sacrifice the women’s roles first and make them do stupid shit out of “natural” hormonal idiocy.   What is it they call this at Comic Cons?  “Fridging” I think, when female roles are sacrificed to make the male roles more interesting.

      It’s the early death knell of any show for me.  Talking Dead isn’t following a new pattern for failure.

      I’ve been reading up on the Darabont firing.  Very interesting.  AMC wanted more indoor (cheaper) scenes.  That’s why we are missing those wide scenes of apocalyptic horror which made the first season so good.  That’s also why we are stuck with so many pointless episodes inside the sets of houses.

      Yeah, half the cast needs to be killed off.  Actually, if AMC really wanted to save this show they would trim the cast down to Rick, Shane , Glen and his girlfriend (who seems to have some kick-ass potential) and let them wander through the Apocalypse looking more and more like walkers themselves.  Screw the farm!  Screw Hershel, Dale, Lori and the others who aren’t participating in the survival aspect of this show.  I watch Masterpiece for interior scenes of riveting personal drama.  If you make a show about a worldwide Apocalypse, show me the damn Apocalypse! 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

         They are never going to make it to the prison story from the comics- too expensive.

      • http://www.facebook.com/martha.dollery Martha Dollery

        WD without Daryl? He’s like the most redeeming feature at the moment in my eyes (though needs more screen time) Agreed on culling 80% of the rest though!

        • k op

           Daryl’s storyline is flagging fast.  I like his character but I’m getting annoyed by his motiveless actions.   Is he an independent minded fellow who won’t take orders?  Or is he Rick and Shane’s little trooper?  Once I feel the writers taking a character and diminishing him/her by plugging him into any plot twist, I get irritated.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

             I have never seen him as Rick’s little trooper. He searched for Sophia out of his own need for hope and meaning, and when it turned out so badly, he’s doubting everything. His arc seems like the most naturalistic one, as his reactions are always human and relatable. He hasn’t done anything that I thought was motiveless or abjectly stupid yet, though he has been impulsive and at times foolish. His heroism does not feel contrived to me at all, the way Rick’s does, and his violence does not seem psychotic, like Shane’s.

    • http://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com Lizzie

      Helpful advice for the zombie apocalypse: drive through the walker on the highway.  (Someone above mentioned that it looked like a regular person, in which case… meh.  Just another mouth to feed.  Drive through ‘im anyway.)

      Completely agree with everything you guys said.  *sigh*

    • Anonymous

      Yeah. The three best parts: Darryl going off, Lori flipping the car (my god, I hope she’s dead) and Rick shooting Rene from True Blood, lol. Darryl needs to go off on EVERYONE, Lori needs to lose the ability to speak, EVER AGAIN, and Rick needs to grow a pair like he suddenly did in the bar.

      • http://www.facebook.com/martha.dollery Martha Dollery

        Did anyone actually catch what Daryl said about ‘window shopping’ I heard ‘bitch’ (or thought I did) but had no idea what he had said.

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t have said it better.

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t have said it any better. Agree 100%

    • Anonymous

      Damn you George Lucas *shakes fist* Han SHOT FIRST. Stop effing messing with those movies. Between that and those horrible Transformer movies I have really come to hate CGI. Oh and I hate zombies. Carry on. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jane-Morris/1076502799 Jane Morris

      I love it. I guess it’s just me. But then I like Chekov.  Without the words we say to each other, we have nothing. I’ll bet no one can sit through Chekov anymore, either.  But what these writers explore through words if of great interest to me. And then, zombies.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Despite the bitching I did in my previous comment above, I really liked this episode. Lori going off on her own, beyond all reason, is what kept it from being excellent, IMO.

        I think the difference between Chekov and The Walking Dead is, in Chekov, or any good piece of literature, all those words mean something. If you’ve watched Deadwood or The Wire ( if you’re a fan of dialogue and haven’t seen these shows, I adamantly recommend both), you know that the dialogue is as important as the characters, the sense of place, and the plot.

        I love dialogue heavy TV shows and movies. I think the problem with The Walking Dead is all they do is talk. I don’t think the show need tons of zombies, but there has to be some action, some moving forward to keep the story going. The bar scene was so great because, along with Rick finally being the badass he needs to be, the dialogue was loaded with tension, suspicion and menace.

        I also liked the scene between Carol and Daryl, when he was trying to convince her to go to Sophia’s service. I actually learned some things about both of them in that scene. They had a normal conversation, one that two people like that would actually have. They reached an understanding. It wasn’t wasted oxygen, like, oh, Andrea whining and complaining and arguing with everyone for weeks because she can’t have a gun; or Lori telling Shane, after he tried to rape her, to stay away from her family, then bitching at him, even though he tried to rape her, because he’s been ignoring Carl. sometimes I just wish everyone would shut up and go do something awesome.

        That’s the way I see it, anyway. But people absorb pop culture in different ways (states the Queen of the Obvious). I’d like to get more from all the talking, but, to me, it often seems like so much yammering because because no one is saying anything important.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

           Maybe that’s why Daryl is my favorite character: I feel like I am always learning new things about him.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            So true. Daryl is the best developed character on the show. And that could be due to Norman Reedus giving some life to a stereotype. He’s the best actor on the show by a long shot.

            Can the writers create only one interesting character? If there are too many characters, they need to start killing people off. Unfortunately, they’d probably kill Glenn, who’s actually likable and not a complete idiot.

      • k op

         Oh come on.  How can you compare Chekov to The Walking Dead?

        If AMC want’s an introspective show full of internal rambles, then they should DO IT, fully and without reservations, rather than have the identical conversation between Lori and Rick, Andrea and Dale, Dale and Glenn, over and over and over again, every episode without adding a bit to the plot or character development.

        Nothing is explored through words in WD’s dialogue.  It’s stagnant, meaningless, conversations all in the same voice with the subsequent action having no relationship to the words spoken.

        There was a UK show called Survivors, also an apocalyptic vision.  It suffered the same problem as WD in that it was full of meaningless dialogue and insupportable action.  Survivors actually got it together in the 2nd season and started to be great.  Too little, too late, people stopped watching.  WD better get it together soon.

    • http://twitter.com/pinkwedges10 Pink Wedges

      I hope they kill off Lori before this season’s over but I doubt the writers will listen to me. Hopefully Merle is still alive. I would love to see him back. Thanks to this post I’m reminded of how much Greedo sucks at shooting.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

         she’s still alive- crap

    • Anonymous

      Well thanks for reviewing it because I watched this and Glee while sick and in both cases missed the obvious–in this case, I didn’t see the guy reach for his gun, so it did seem like Our Hero shot the guy in cold blood and, yep, it was shocking and really disturbing.  Not better though because there’s no one left with whom to sympathize.  Made me realize how little I like most of the characters.  

      While I haven’t wandered about a post-apocalyptic landscape, I’ve been in some grim situations and in those situations, somebody always cracked a joke.  Where’s gallows humor when you need it?  It would help the show a lot and make the characters less drearily angsty.  But no one has any sort of sense of irony about any of this.  And I think you’d have that just to stay sane in an insane world. 

      I think it was a mistake to kill Sophia, by the way, there was room to do more there–one of the adults would have been better.  Two kids limits what they can do and makes for better suspense.  

    • MilaXX

      Honestly I’ve read some TWD fan fic more interesting than what we’re seeing on screen.

    • Anonymous

      Another fan review had a pretty good summary of this plot – 5 minutes of interest in the beginning – characters reacting, etc., 10-15 min. of engrossing at the end and the whole middle being a bunch of mindless chatter.  I love character shows – Breaking Bad is also a slower moving character-driven show but the writing is so superb that you want to know MORE about the people, their motives, what makes them tick – which in turn makes the monumental action so much more impactful.  TWD is staggering around like a zombie who hasn’t eaten in weeks at this point.  I don’t care about the characters except for Carl and Darryl.  The women are idiots, even Maggie in some ways.  Shane is eye-rolling psycho at this point and no one but Dale notices? Seriously? Lori is a fucking idiot and I hope she gets zombified – you know that walker that she hit isn’t dead.  Shane needs to get put down like a rabid dog.  And these people need to get the fuck off the farm and get moving, doing, LIVING.  Right now they’re on autopilot and we’ve watched them be on autopilot for six episodes.  The only one trying to live is Darryl and he’s basically a representation of the audience right now – pissed off and trying to carry on to live and survive, not whine and bellyache.

      I thought this was better than most of the eps from the first half of the season.  But not much.

    • maddy lucas

      Agree, with everything.  I want so bad to like this show, and I’ll still watch every week, but the characters are SO boring, uninteresting, and stupid.  LOST had it’s problems, but at the least you loved the characters, and the ones you didn’t still provided interested or anger, with these people, I don’t feel anything.  Just annoying I suppose.  

    • Anonymous

      I liked the conversation between Rick and Renee from True Blood.   Rick was in Hershel’s shoes — faced with a stranger pleading for help.  Rick didn’t even entertain the idea of helping though.  I found it enlightening.  I could not have cared less about the rest of the bar scene though.  

    • fogharty

      MilaXX wrote:

      I do too, but I think it may just be the writers way of dealing with the pregnancy since they can write in a  miscarriage.

      I thought the same thing when she flipped the car…. oh now she can have a freaking miscarriage and that will be that.I knew those two new guys were dead the second Guy #2 said “cooch” and pissed on the floor. They really have a hard time writing subtle assholes, don’t they? The guy might as well been Merle, with his “beaner” and “sugar tits” comments.But I’m so very glad Tom and Lorenzo are discussing this show again. I kept checking the website all last week for their review… it’s become integral to watching the show itself.

    • Anonymous

      Well, I for one am still totally hooked, although it is definitely time to get off the farm. But come on, of course people are going to do boneheaded things that might get them eaten, that’s what brings the tension!  I just wish it were Dale.

    • http://blue-again.myopenid.com/ blue

      “But these people are so goddamn stupid and unlikeable half the time that we honestly don’t care.”

      Haha. You slay me. Totally true.

      I love zombies and post-apocalyptic stories. I want to love this show–and I did love the first season. But it’s just so boooring. And dumb! Why was Lori even going to find Rick? And how does she manage to hit the only thing on the road?

      You’re right about how much bigger the impact would’ve been if it’d been Carl rather than Sophia. Or even if it had happened within 2 eps rather than months later when we couldn’t even remember what she looked like.

      This show is recalling ‘Jericho’ for me. Awesome, FABULOUS first season. Second season was awful. Though ‘Walking Dead’ S2 is not quite as horrible as Jericho S2 was…yet.

      • k op

         Oh wow, Jericho, I forgot that one.  It did have a great season 1, which was all about the small town trying to carry on, and then fell into the worldwide conspiracy trap and characters contradicted themselves willy-nilly.  So much promise.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Worst change ever made to a movie was Greedo.  HAN SHOT FIRST!

    • http://www.facebook.com/christina.escamilla Christina Marie Escamilla

      I agree with ya’ll, and I’m glad your doing reviews!! p.s. I hate lori!

    • BrightsideSusan

      My husband is the zombie lover and he has given up on the show.  I still watch, but I realize ai don’t know why.  I don’t care about any of the characters anymore.  I don’t know why they don’t take over a nice farm, make it safe, plant crops, build houses for every one and settle in.  The show gives no reason for them to move on or to stay where they are.