Project Runway: Lights, Camera, Factions

Posted on August 01, 2014

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Darlings, who doesn’t love the unconventional materials challenges? Besides the less talented designers, that is?

 

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Admittedly, this one was pretty vague; based more around a theme than just, say, setting people loose in a grocery store or something. 

 

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No real complaints, though. Sure, that vagueness meant that the designers weren’t all on the same page and yes, the judging is clearly about telling a story rather than rewarding the most worthy design, but after 12+ seasons and eight years writing about this show, we just roll with it now. Life’s too short. And besides, it’s just a silly game show.

We reserve the right to LOSE OUR SHIT about something down the line, though. You know we will. Especially since the show’s working so hard to tell its stories this season.

 

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The jury’s still out on this one. You could either see her running to Tim as a manipulative move or the move of a drama queen. “People are being mean to me!” is not a complaint an adult should be making to another adult in a setting like this. It’s true that there was an unusually high level of “I can’t believe she won” resentment for so early in the competition, but suck it up. You won. Crying that people don’t love you for winning just looks self-indulgent to us.

 

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Similarly, you can either see Sandhya as someone with a strong vision who knows how to defend her work, or you can see her as someone who doesn’t listen to collaborators and tends to railroad them. The editing wasn’t particularly clear. Carrie was passive aggressive in a lot of ways herself. And never, in the history of any team-based reality show competition, has the sentiment “Let’s just go off and do our thing and try to pull it together in the end” ever been a good idea. Hernan and Carrie tried to make it sound like the team’s failure all came down to Sandhya’s stubborness but it looked to us like it just came down to poor communication and management all around.

Even so, we’re getting the impression that Sandhya finds herself in the middle of drama quite often.

And speaking of which:

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This girl.

 

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We just hope she’s staying hydrated, because she cries out about a gallon of tears each episode.

Let’s get to judging:

 

 

Amanda
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We’re afraid we’re going to start giving the impression that we have it out for Amanda or something. We greeted her return with mild annoyance last week, but that’s because we have little patience for the “I’m coming back STRONGER than EVER because I’m EXPERIENCED and SELF-ACTUALIZED and I WON’T APOLOGIZE FOR MYSELF AND yaddayaddayadda” storyline that’s being sold so damn hard with her. And while we honestly pinky-swear that we don’t hate the gal, this win is just more of the same silliness, as far as we’re concerned. There is no way anyone with a functioning nervous system thought this was the best garment on that runway. Not that it’s completely without value. She definitely worked her ass off to make something interesting, but at the end of the day (or the runway), it’s just a muslin dress with a lot of shit hanging off it; exactly the kind of entry that sent designers home in other unconventional materials challenges.

 

Kristine
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We liked the idea more than the reality. We really don’t like that shade of green at all. The letters were a good idea on paper, but looked stiff and awkward in the real world. We like how she constructed the bust, though.

 

Korina
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Hideous. She better kiss Amanda’s ass (or kiss the producers’ for coming up with an “Amanda’s redemption” storyline), because in other circumstances, this could have been up for elimination.

 

 

Samantha
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Gorgeous. We would have given this the win. It was unusual and eye-catching. It looked chic in a very editorial way. Not particularly practical, but then again, why would it be, given the challenge? This was, to our eyes, the most interesting thing to walk that runway last night.

 

 

Emily
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Yeah, no. Big fat mess.

 

 

Alexander
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The top part looks too stiff and comes too close to obscuring her face, but the skirt is pretty amazing.

 

 

Angela
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The judges didn’t like this much but we thought this was pretty. Definitely not worth all the drama involved, but a chic, eye-catching look nonetheless. A lot was made about how it didn’t fit into the collection, but to our eyes, it stood next to Sean’s straw dress much better than Fade’s insect carapace did.

 

 

Fade
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Overdesigned and not as innovative as he seems to think.

 

 

Sean
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This was really well done, although we suspect it looked better in person than on camera, judging by the amount of praise everyone was giving it. It looks a little heavy and shapeless for us to praise it that much.

 

 

 

Mitchell
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This was the best of this team’s entries. We’d even go so far as to say it was one of the best entries on the runway, in terms of taking an unconventional material and making a believable and wearable garment out of it. But like all the entries from this team, the design itself was pretty standard. He’s to be commended for how well he used those CDs, but the entire team’s aesthetic was just “glue a lot of stuff to a basic dress.”

 

 

Char
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Which is, to be fair, what most unconventional materials challenge entries come down to, but the aesthetic here was unimpressive.

 

 

Kini
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Neither the techniques nor the designs were interesting or original. That’s why they were waved through. A for effort, but not a design win. For once, the judges were right.

As for the losing team…

 

Sandhya
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Her team mates were right to point out to Sandhya that her immunity meant she could do whatever she wanted and not fear repercussions. She gave them good reason to be nervous. And the so-called design process is almost impossible to parse out, because the editing deliberately obscures who made what decisions when. But we’ll say this: her design was the best of the three. If this team deserved to be in the bottom for making the same dress over and over, she didn’t deserve to go home for it, since she made the best version.

 

 

Hernan
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Hernan made the second best …

 

 

Carrie
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… and Carrie’s was the worst. Sorry, Carrie. It sucks and all, but your complaining about the competition just looked like sour grapes. It’s season 13 and this is how team challenges are scored. This is how immunity works. These are how these things have always been done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke for Lifetime - Stills: tomandlorenzo.com]

    • Carrie

      Carrie deserved to go home for her atrocious behavior on the runway alone. Six year olds throwing temper tantrums are more mature than she was!

      As for Amanda. Blech. She was insufferable before, she’ll be even worse now.

      • http://viridianpostcard.blogspot.com/ viridian61

        In thinking about the show today I mistakenly thought of Amanda as Gretchen. Hmmm…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

          Is anyone Mondo?

          I keep thinking of Samantha as Leanne, in looks mostly. I get that thought every time I initially see her in a scene. Then again, she also has a low-key personality like Leanne. Sisters?

          • Call me Bee

            And speaking of PR alumni, remember the blond gal who was kicked off S3 for making a paper dress that looked like a “paper brioche” according to Michael Kors? She has a wedding dress design show on TLC now! Just caught it by accident the other day….

            • Raspberry2012

              Allison?

            • GoodGollyMissMolly

              Different girl, but I know what you mean. The girl that was on TLC was one of the two sent home first in the double elimination at the beginning of season 2. She doesn’t have her own show though. She was filling in for the main designer because that designer was the client that episode instead of the designer. More power to her though, especially after going home first. She seems to have made a name for herself in the wedding fashion world.

          • Pinky Shears

            I find Amanda a little too in love with herself. And I can’t belive her drek won over the CD dress.

            • VivianAdvanced

              I let loose a big “NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!” when she popped through the door at the announcement of the 2nd chance winner. I can’t believe that the viewers voted her in when she was clearly disliked by most of us. Ugh, we have to put up with her next week now that she has immunity. Her creation was nothing new. Somebody in a past season (I can’t remember his name; he was one of the final three, actually) did something like this with washers and hardware dangling, only he had a skimpy bikini underneath instead of muslin. And I didn’t understand their hatred of Angela’s. Despite all her boo-hooing, I thought her dress was kind of pretty and certainly not deserving an elimination. I also thought it was in cohesion with the straw dress since it shared similar colors and materials. I wonder if the producers thought they should torture Angela to induce more crying and drama.

            • demidaemon

              Unfortunately, the other options were…not great. Ken was “Not today, Satan” and Alexander was the only other feasible option, but his last impression was not great, leaving Amanda as the only viable option, whether one likes it or not.

            • Me Again

              I completely agree. Amanda may not have been a contestant I was dying to see again, but compared to the other two options, she was practically Uli. The other two were total non-starters, giving us really only one palatable choice.

            • ola

              “not today Satan”…hilarious…I spit out my water…lol

            • demidaemon

              As much as I would like to take credit for the line, it came from the indomitable Bianca Del Rio.

            • s elin

              I think it was Emilio Sosa. His design was made of washers and string over a bikini, and these very same judges SAVAGED it. Now two or three seasons later, sundry stuff attached to string is a winning design.

              I agree that Angela’s dress did not deserve the criticism that the judges gave her. And to single her out as the one responsible for her team’s loss…outrageous! I thought the dress was pretty and creative.

            • AnneElliot

              It was Emilio Sosa, back in Season 7. Jay won even though he made an outfit out of garbage bags, because it was fabulous and looked like leather.

            • onetinkerbell

              That was Emilio Sosa. The hardware store challenge.

            • StillGary

              I kept thinking of Emilio’s washer-dream catcher swimsuit. Well, at least Amanda covered her model’s back end.

        • R.A.

          Haha that’s so funny I JUST left a comment about Gretchen and her “Thirty-Three” faces, though it was actually Carrie who brought her to mind. Gosh, I miss her.

          • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

            That may have been one of the best TLo Project Runway posts ever. I miss Ninacaps. Too bad the show is a burlesque of itself now. Like making fun of a clown.

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      • Qitkat

        I’m not defending Carrie’s behavior, but I think she was blind-sided (she had a really good design last week, and her dress was far from the worst this week), and at the worst possible moment her evil twin came out in full force. If she is watching the show now, and has any sense of personal integrity/self-preservation, she may be appalled at how she comes across on television. She may even have regretted her outburst right away. But unfortunately she’ll be forever *that girl who lost her shit*. And possibly I am projecting how I would feel under the circumstances :)

        • Carrie

          She did have a good look last week. If she had kept her shit together, she should have tried to make the argument that they were strong armed by Hernan. It would have made a better case for staying than it did coming from Tim. Instead she was so frothing at the mouth that Sandhya had immunity that she just melted down instead.

          • Eztizen Sánchez

            The judges were totally on crack, so her team was chosen the worst; and her dress was clearly worse than Hernan’s. So no, nothing she could’ve said would have made any difference. She probably knew she was going, so at least tell those bitches the truth: we don’t buy their bullshit. And as childish as it may have been, she was right. Her dress wasn’t the worst, and yet, she’s leaving. She’s right to be angry, as much as I dislike her.

            • geeeque

              I totally agree with you. Prolly the reason I could never be on a reality show–I simply could not take the utter bullshit you gotta swallow to carry on. I really felt sorry for her and supported her telling it like it is on the runway. I added a few things myself while yelling at my screen, like: “it’s your fucking job to decide who goes home why the fuck ask me??”

            • lucky

              Even if they had picked Hernan, Carrie wouldve been eliminated at some point down the line. They had it in for her from the introduction, she was never going to fashion week.

        • RroseSelavy

          Maybe I need to rewatch, but I didn’t see someone losing her shit, but someone standing up for herself with whatever fight she could muster. It was a failing strategy but what did she have to lose? I was sorry to see her go, as thought she had promise (although I’m not as confident in her as she seems to be in herself).

          • Qitkat

            Initially I thought she was just standing up for herself also, but I think she went a little too far, and of course this is based only on the editing, who knows what else went on? I think the perception of most of the commenters is that she overstepped, and acted immaturely, so if the audience thinks that, it’s more or less cast in teevee/internet stone, even if in real life, she is a pretty nice person, who believes strongly in herself. I’ll bet she is. And I also thought she had promise.

      • ampg

        I loved Carrie’s reaction, to tell the truth – I’ve always wanted a designer to just come out and say, “This is bullshit and I don’t deserve it.” She’s wrong, of course – her team was in the bottom and her dress was the worst of the three – but she was right to know that having the designer with immunity on your team is a bad deal.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          Carrie would have had a stronger case had she made a dress that showed more of her ideas, instead of the third version of Hernan’s vision. The judges traditionally cut designers more slack when they defend their work, or take into account the judges’ comments. Ragging on Sandhya having immunity wasn’t going to save Carrie. Frankly, I would have auf’ed Hernan, too.

          • CT14

            Oh, when Nina said they could auf both!

            I so wish they had!

            • deyna

              I was expecting it! I wouldn’t have missed the 2 – ungraceful losers.

              I was appalled at Carrie’s behaviour…unlike everyone else i do NOT remember her last design. Decisions, decisions, at the end of the day it came down to decisions. They CHOSE to go with Sandhya’s “let’s figure it out later idea” – if anything she could have down what Fade and Sean did and collaborated with her other group mate. They CHOSE decided to throw out their last idea and make similar dresses. Down to the last hour Carrie made decisions that determined her fate. If we’re being technical, Sandhya was in the same position as Carrie was…they both threw out their creativity in the sake of cohesiveness – Sandhya just happened to have immunity.

              Maybe, I was the only one that was thinking ‘YOU HATED HER IDEA LAST WEEK AND SHE STILL WON! AT LEAST LET HER EXPLAIN HER IDEA” or something along that line. I was actually curious as to what she was going to come up with. I think they could have salvaged their silver dresses. If anything they’d have 3 silver dress that showcased their talent and maybe they wouldn’t have been such big babies about being in the bottom.

              btw Sandhya actually brought up the idea about not making the same dress and go figure that’s what the judges wanted.

          • ampg

            Oh, I completely agree that it was a weak argument and bad strategy. I just loved watching a designer say what I’m sure countless other aufed designers have thought to themselves over the years.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              I’m sure you’re right about previous designers thinking the same things that Carrie said out loud.

          • demidaemon

            I was appreciating Heidi’s and Nina’s ruthlessness and wish they had gone through with it. Hernan’s just going to turn out more JLo dresses, and, really, even Jlo’s kind of tired of it. I do think Carrie had a bit more to offer, but never, ever do you pick a fight with the judges, no matter how batshit crazy their decisions are. It’s a clear path to the exit that way.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              PR could inject some life into the format by occasionally doing a double elimination when it’s warranted-in this case, Hernan displayed an inability or unwillingness to consider his teammates’ opinions, as well as questionable taste(and you know that Nina is going to call him on that in the future), and that’s a quality that could pose problems for him in the business, should he apply for a position with an established design business.

            • demidaemon

              You are definitely right on the level of taste, though, from his backstory, he doesn’t seem like one who want to work for others.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              Agree. Since Hernan had his own business and has a very strong point of view, working for/with another designer probably wouldn’t be his preference.

            • demidaemon

              And, if his behavior on the last episode is anything to go by, he probably wouldn’t last very long working for someone else.

            • MagsRagsVintage

              Unless you’re Santino Rice

            • demidaemon

              HA!

            • deyna

              I agree. It’s tv at the end of the day. Defend yourself and your designs but you lose out by going crazy on the judges because Tim will not save you and you’ll go down in tv history as the girl who went crazy on the judges/contestants. It will all come back to haunt her in the reunion or when people recognize her on the street.

        • Paula Carr

          I was hating on Nina’s comment “Why do we need to explain our decisions to anyone?”

          Umm, isn’t that a big part of what the whole judging process is about????

          • demidaemon

            I actually liked it, because she wasn’t referring to them explaining why they disliked the collection. It was having to explain basically that “umm, you are in the bottom now, tough shit, but don’t go ragging on people who are not up for elimination at this point.”

      • Call me Bee

        Re: This: When The Hubs saw that she was from Russia, he said, “Oh yeah. I could have guessed….” (Remember this is coming from someone from a former Soviet satellite country….)

      • Elci

        I actually liked Amanda in her season and I was excited to see her back. but this new, more experienced, more ready to take on the world version is rather annoying. Her interviews used to be funny in an acerbic, self-deprecating sort of way, and now she is mostly smug and not cute. Carrie was ridiculous yesterday – she was definitely the most childish on a team of stubbornness and immaturity. I am glad she went home. I am tending to side with Sandhya here – her movie to talk to Tim did seem a bit dramatic, but I believed she felt very upset and alienated. She was absolutely right to say the collection had to be similar but NOT the same dress three times – and look what her team went and did. I also didn’t appreciate Carrie and Hernan saying over and over and over gain that they shouldn’t go home, we shouldn’t go home, it shouldn’t be us, Sandhya dragged us down (which, you know, false), ours were the best of the tree, yadda yadda yadda. Such grossness. Hernan is annoying me already. This gold age of Hollywood idea was no revelation.

        The winning looks were just atrocious. I don’t even understand.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          I’m with you about the winning looks;I did not get the judges’ love for any of those dresses. The win and auf also reminded me of why I’m not fond of team challenges. Having to choose the winning look and the elimination look from the best and worst teams means that someone else’s work gets either passed through or overlooked. Ah well, it’s just entertainment.

          • Elci

            Agreed!! And I really hate it when they ask the team members who was the best or who should go. It’s so obvious and exploitative, and I lose any good feelings I have left for Heidi every time she asks it.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              It’s always uncomfortable watching those moments. It’s playing to the worst instincts of everyone.

            • yulaffin

              Yeah, it’s like she is encouraging them to throw someone under the bus.

            • Becky Simmons

              In the early days, that question always seemed to be along the lines of, “we didn’t see the behind-the-scenes like you did, so please shed some light on how things looked from your perspective”. Now it really does seem like a chance for cheap drama.

            • Paula Carr

              VERY cheap.

            • Linderella

              ALDO Wall cheap!

            • demidaemon

              I do like how the winning team mostly sidestepped that: “You guys pick what you like, which is pretty obvious after the critique, no?”

        • minnye

          I thought it wax sort of surprising that Tim saw a designer privately & at their request. I mean, if she did take the initiative (assuming she wasn’t fed the opportunity), that seems like a ballsy thing to do. Or presumptuous, perhaps? At any rate, it didn’t strike me as a petulant move. If I had access to advice from a respected expert on the field I was trying to break into,damn right I’d go to that person for advice.

          • http://www.facebook.com/author.serenityvalle Serenity Valle

            Why did you find it surprising that Tim spoke with Sandhya privately at her request? He’s done it many times on other seasons. It is part of his role as a mentor.

            • onetinkerbell

              I don’t know – there were times when other designers have complained and Tim has given them a ‘tough love’ kind of response. To me Sandhya seemed way to whiney for an adult. Seriously – she was hardly being picked on, when they asked her to help them find a way to make it cohesive, and yet she insisted that she wasn’t going to change the design. There didn’t seem to be any offering from her side on how to compromise so that she could keep most of her vision or any ideas for the others on how they could tweak their designs to make the looks work together. It was all “no, I’m not changing” on both sides and yet she wanted to complain about concerns that were legitimate. I didn’t feel sorry for her one bit, but then again that could be because I’m ready for my kids to go back to school already because I’m tired of the bickering.

            • http://www.facebook.com/author.serenityvalle Serenity Valle

              Ahhh, ok. I understand now. I, too, have seen Tim tough love some designers (Helen Castillo comes to immediate mind). I think this early in the season he’d be more understanding/shoulder to cry on… once the season wears on he will likely more often bring out the Tim Tough Love attitude. We’ll see! :)

            • minnye

              Guess I never noticed. I thought their only exposure to Tim was in the workroom. (& home visits for the finalists, of course. )

        • demidaemon

          I didn’t get them either. I could come up for reasoning for the bottom team (it was lame, come on), but the top team confused the shit out of me. I could think of at least two others that deserved the top. Unfortunately, team challenges have the crack ready early and the batshit ready to be spread.

          • deyna

            i wonder if other teams were judged more harshly or had at least one person who nina or someone else “didn’t get” and the top team won because across the board they scored average marks (it can’t be favouritism if its “annoymous” right?). I liked the cd dress it really stood out in my mind.

            • demidaemon

              If we are going on the assumption that everything is actually scored, I would say that pretty much every team had one horrible dress, so perhaps the winning team scored well enough across the board to average out as the best.

      • Passionflora

        Just catching up with this season – Carrie is a nasty so-and-so. She lacks the maturity to leave with grace. As TLo said, the team challenge scoring and immunity hasn’t changed over 13 seasons. Suck it up, and take responsibility for your own work.

        Oh Amanda, go away.

        • deyna

          yeah i’m just catching up too. Amanda was unfortunate to be on a season completely comprised of team challenges so i think she lucked out worse. Carrie needed to suck it up her behaviour was embarrassing and hard to watch.

    • Frank_821

      Overall the results of the show were pretty good. After
      looking at the Lifetime gallery, there really was only a couple of stinkers.
      The big thing of course was that no team had a perfect set of designs. Everyone
      had its flaws and weaknesses with at least 1 design. I know people were annoyed
      with the results (per usual) but this really came down to the parameters of it
      being a team challenge and judges having to score first and foremost who came
      up as the best and worst scoring as a team.

      If not for the team aspect, Sean, Fade and possibly Mitchell
      would have been up for the win

      Upon closure examination from the stills, there was a lot
      more going on in Amanda’s dress then I realized. Subtle details. I really like
      the neckline which gave it the sci-fi aspect. I didn’t originally notice the
      perpendicular yellow details. I still don’t think it was the best dress on
      their team but it was much better than it came across on tv. If this was a 2
      day challenge I think the final dress could have been kick-ass.

      Now for the problem children.

      Let’s start with Angela. Was hers the worst dress? No. It
      was nice enough but also safe and not particularly innovative in its use of the
      materials. The real problem is it clearly did not go with the other 2 outfits
      in neither concept nor complexity. Sean and Fade had an edge to theirs which
      came from their idea of movie villainess. Hers had no edge to it. She is more of
      a minimalist. That would have been okay if she went with a sharper and more angular
      design.

      After 2 episodes I have come to see her problem. She is too
      much the Asian stereotype. Speaking as a Chinese boy, I am familiar with the
      signs. Her worry and panic and obstinence most likely comes from fear of
      failure. She took a chance during episode 1, went overboard and the judges
      reamed her. This time around she does not want to take a risk for fear of failing
      again. The problem was that Sean and Fade are edgier and more editorial than
      her. That same fear likely lead to her unwillingness to accept their help
      finishing her garment. To accept help equates to: “I can’t do this on my own”.

      Now for the non-team-which is what they were. The 2 main
      problems in hindsight seem to be 1) they had no concept-unlike all the other
      teams. They decidedly to be totally organic in their approach which was a big
      mistake since they all are very different. 2) They all were very unwilling to
      compromise or sit down and think of a way to make the outfits cohesive without
      them looking the same. Even Sandhya is guilty of this.

      There was no reason for Sandhya to have completely dumped
      her circle skirt. It was very cute. It could have been adapted. I first thought
      she was being a little passive aggressive and was the one in a position to
      compromise without risk. But to completely abandon a perfectly sound design was
      even worse. And ended up with the worst design of the night

      I have no sympathies for Carrie (or Herdan).
      They were in a tough situation but they made it worse with their own attitudes.
      They are talented but they were unprofessional and appalling. Carrie in
      particular came across as very bratty. Yes your teammate had a worse design. But
      it was a garment she made after being soundly rejected on her first outfit by
      you and your other teammate. An outfit that was way better than the repeat. And
      let’s not get started on you openly slamming another team

      • FrigidDiva

        What really ticked me off during the judging on the runway was Carrie talking about their original designs and how hers was like this, Hernan’s had a train, and blah blah blah. I appreciated little Zac speaking up and saying we’re juding you based on what’s here in front of us. I wish they’d have sent both Hernan and Carrie home.

        • MilaXX

          Especially because this *is* season 13 and there have been designers who’ve started over at the last minute and won challenges. Carrie needed to shut it about the shoulda, coulda, woulda.

        • Alexa Shelton

          Yeah, I wondered how long they stood there whining too. It’s hard to tell from the editing but it seemed like the judges had had it with the many many excuses.

        • kbshee

          I love you call him ‘Little Zac’ I didn’t realize until this episode that he is quite short. So now he is “Leetul Zac’ in my head, as if Nina is calling him that.

          • FrigidDiva

            I’m totally picturing Nina sitting on a throne somewhere and “Leetul Zac” hopping around trying to get hers and Heidi’s approval, all the while knowing he’ll never compare to Kors.

    • GorgeousThings

      Yeah, buh bye to blue hair sourpuss. She annoyed the shit out of me in this episode, and her dress was by far the worst. And I’ll say that I lost all respect for Sandhya when she just stood there and let them throw her under the bus. Immunity or no, girl, you are in the fashion world, where they eat their young on a regular basis. GROW A BACKBONE!!

      • Stubenville

        I respectfully disagree about the dress; I think Emily’s and Alexander’s looked more unfinished and costume-like. But I can’t argue about how bitter Blue Hair Girl came off on screen.

        • Jackie4g

          The thing is, I would have liked to see what Blue Hair had to offer in the way of future designs, and she caught a bad break in that she was on a team with someone who had immunity. That’s what happens sometime, so maybe when the first crisis occurs and someone has to drop out, they will ask Blue Hair to come back.
          Sandhya has a real weasel-like, entitled vibe. She wasn’t praised enough, so she went weeping to Tim? Don’t like her very much.

          Edited for clarity.

          • ampg

            I agree – I thought Sandhya won the “Imitating a Five-year-old” Contest going on between her and Carrie, hands down. Plus, while contestants love to trot out the “I’m not here to make friends” trope in reality competitions, the truth is that being agreeable is a good idea sometimes. It was a bad team all around, but it definitely seemed to me that she resisted any attempts to bring her vision in line with the team until after the critique scared the shit out of all of them. It would’ve been much smarter for her to have said from the beginning, “OK, I know I have a different point of view from you two, and I have immunity, so I’ll work with you to make sure we have a cohesive entry.” I predict she’ll be thrown under the bus in the next team challenge.

          • NinjaCate

            I don’t think Sadhya was being weasel-y at all! I did think it was weird that she went to Tim so early in the game (I thought from the previews that clip was from about mid-seasonish) but I also found it really weird that everyone else was SO PISSED she won. Her design wasn’t atrocious or anything. The other designers just really seem to have it up their asses the design they thought was the worst won, and Carrie and Hernan refused to collaborated with her really which, when you think about it was dumb as hell. Clearly the judges liked her aesthetic. I dunno. I just think she’s very sweet, but I predict this won’t be the last of the “everyone bitches about Sandhya” storyline.

            • Jackie4g

              Right? Given, the panel judging is wildly inconsistent, but the designers’ reaction to Sandhya’s winning dress was not. They were looking at what went into Sandhya’s dress as compared to what they each produced, and found it lacking. I can understand that because I sew (albeit doll clothes), and I found it lacking, too. It was however, different from (the English say ‘to’) anything else on the Runway, and it got too much credit for what was actually offered. But that’s the show.

          • deyna

            I don’t know I think it might be her conservative/traditional upbringing. People have been worse but that doesn’t excuse bad behaviour. Her group members spoke to her in a condescending manner and when she left the room they had no problems trashing her outloud (she clearly overheard them). I don’t think she needed the praise but she wasn’t prepared for their cold behaviour.

            Time will tell if she adapts. If I recall she originally asked about her construction issues/critique…i think she was doubting her talents within a team at that point. Probably just needed that push from her mentor

        • MoHub

          Emily’s had two duds in a row. I doubt she’ll be around much longer unless the judges simply aren’t noticing her pieces.

      • Raspberry2012

        “And I’ll say that I lost all respect for Sandhya when she just stood there and let them throw her under the bus. Immunity or no, girl, you are in the fashion world, where they eat their young on a regular basis. GROW A BACKBONE!!”

        Amen to that. When she went crying to Tim about being picked on, I felt my good feelings towards her drop about 10 degrees. I mean, come on – don’t go on reality TV, and especially not on a show about the cut throat world of fashion – and then need your weepy little hand held two episodes in. I really just disliked her a tiny bit last night. I mean, Timothy the Sustainicorn kept his shit together better than that last season. Okay, maybe “better” isn’t the word. But he went in the stairwell in private, had a good cry all over his giant stuffy toy, and THEN came back and gave Miranda the frosty “No, no it’s fine, let’s just work” treatment. And he was, what, five years younger than Sandhya. I don’t know, maybe its me, but you’d better be getting legitimately picked on before I’ll feel bad for ya!

        • chocoshatner

          The second the judges said her design was worst, she should have replied, “I didn’t want to work with this material, but they spent the whole day reminding me I had immunity. I wanted to be a team player, so I went with their aesthetic.” She was stupid not to defend herself.

          • MoHub

            But she wanted to take the high road and not indulge in the under-the-bus throwing exhibited by her teammates.

            • demidaemon

              I respected that, because obviously her teammates (and others) believed very differently and behaved very unprofessionally.

        • Peeve

          I don’t think Tim handled it all that well, though, either. He should have told her to suck it up–this is the real world, and sometimes teams don’t mesh well. Going off on your own when cohesiveness is paramount and you have immunity is selfish and asking for trouble from the rest of your team. Their ass is on the line, not yours. You can go hog wild with your “vision” when you have immunity and are not designing on a team. Or, come up with a better idea and sell it for all 3 of you, not just yourself.

    • http://www.gregmce.com Greg McE

      Complaining, this far in, about the mechanics of groups challenges on Project Runway is akin to contestants showing up on Survivor who can’t build a fire, or swim. You’ve brought your misery on yourself.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        THIS.

      • PinkyAndNoBrain

        Or drag queens who can’t sew? ;) (Or, heck, PR contestants who can’t make pants?)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      I like Samantha. She seems very pleasant and likable. So I guess she’ll be tossed mid-season, regardless of how well she designs, because that’s just too boring. I want her pizza slice tee shirt.

      The construction on Alexander’s dress is amazing, and done in only one day!

      Hard to believe the winning team is not the losing team. They had the ugliest stuff.

      Straw dress is not that impressive because we already saw it: the “test tube” gown from the previous sea on.

    • Stubenville

      Once again the judges follow the script and auf people for garments which were not the worst by far and praise people to the heavens who actually sent crap down the runway. Face it, Amanda’s muslin sack with random crap draped over it was almost as embarrassing as Emilio Sosa’s string-and-washer bikini. But for the muslin, Amanda’s model would have been naked.

      • UsedtobeEP

        Emilio’s string and washer bikini was less embarrassing (well, minus the naked part) because it was a really cool idea. He just didn’t have enough materials to pull it off properly. One of the only good things ever made on PR with things dangling off of it was Laura Bennett’s coat she made from the stuff in the hotel room. Everything else after that has been, well, everything else.

        • Skippymom1

          Laura Bennet’s coat was a work of art Amanda’s and Emilio’s weren’t even in the same league for “things dangling” as Laura made a full on coat out of rugs with the dangles as accents on the sleeves and bottom. Sigh. I covet that coat. I had only wished I could’ve purchased it.

          • Raspberry2012

            That was a thing of beauty. It just goes to show how the designers now have a hard time competing to the first handful of seasons.

          • Call me Bee

            You are so correct–I had forgotten about it. Amanda’s reminded me more of Wendy Pepper’s balloon bikini in S1

      • Karlie

        This was my exact thought.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

        I don’t want to defend Amanda, because her “dress” was not all that, but on a close-up of her dress I could see a slightly iridescent sheen on that underdress, and it was much whiter looking than muslin, so I don’t think the outer part is muslin at all. She must have used some other material to make that part. This still bugs me because she said not to use easy stuff that looks like fabric, and then she did.

        • Qitkat

          This still bugs me because she said not to use easy stuff that looks like fabric, and then she did.

          Hypocritical much? Bugs me too. An hour and a half show, but we have no idea what she did use. So much footage on the editing floor!

          • Call me Bee

            Yes! They used to have a tag on the runway that liisted the materials for each garment. I needed that….

        • Gatto Nero

          Right — it’s not muslin. I think she described it as cellophane and duct tape. But still, she mimicked fabric, which is what she told her team members not to do (when she was playing guru).

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

            Kristine was the one who explicitly said her underdress is cellophane and duct tape. I would love to know what Amanda did use, because it looked and moved so much like fabric. I don’t really want to watch the episode again in order to figure that out, but if work is slow tonight…

            • Gatto Nero

              They described the materials on the runway during the critique, so it would be easy to pinpoint the spot in the show. Now I’m curious.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

              Now that I think about it, Amanda’s underdress material looks like projector screen material. I think that would account for the sheen, whiteness and the fabric-like movement, as well as fitting in among the movie-themed unconventional materials.

            • Stubenville

              Huh. I don’t think it could be the lenticular (glass beaded) slide projector screen material because the lights on the runway would have reflected off that like crazy. Perhaps movie theater screens are made of something else?

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

              The producers probably got some cheap screen material rather than obtain more authentic stuff, like the small ones in the conference rooms at my work.

        • Stubenville

          I couldn’t tell, but white script pages instead of muslin would make it a teensey bit better. Unfortunately Amanda’s “masterpiece” is still a basic white Home Ec 101 dress with random crap draped over it.

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            I want to see Nina wearing the winning dress.

            • hoopoeofhope

              I want to see Nina wearing the losing dress.

              I want to see Nina wearing every losing dress from every episode of every season.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              I like your name, BTW. I once saw a hoopoe(in South Africa)-very cool bird.

            • Stubenville

              Ha! As if.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              I know, but I’ve decided to imagine Nina parading in Ramon’s neoprene dress that he dyed in a toilet (remember that in season 6?), Gretchen’s wretched granny panties and now Amanda’s confection.

          • Nixonesque

            How hilarious was it when the random French woman/ guest judge said you
            could pair Amanda’s dress with some jeans? That was French humor, right?

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              She’s supposed to be an influential French blogger, I think. I’d like to see somone try to wear that dress, alone or paired with jeans. Better yet, how about Nina wearing that dress with jeggings?

            • http://dorothydamage.wordpress.com/ Dorothy Damage

              I used to read her blog all the time, I kind of lost a bit of respect for her with her judging on the panel. It didn’t seem honest at all.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              That episode made me want the possibility of the judges deciding that no designer be selected as a winner. The decision reeked of being made because Amanda has a storyline that the producers want to sell this season rather than producing a really good look.

            • http://dorothydamage.wordpress.com/ Dorothy Damage

              Definitely. This feels like one of the weaker unconventional material challenges, and I still have no idea why Amanda won.

      • hoopoeofhope

        Bingo! …That’s exactly what I thought Amanda’s curtain-of-loo-chains = Sosa’s hideous nut-and-bolt bikini. Yet one is cheered to the roof and the other kicked down the chute.

      • VivianAdvanced

        Emilio! That’s the one I was thinking of when I became dismayed over the judges’ over-praising of Amanda’s hanging-hardware and muslin thing. They kept going on about how creative it was and all I could think of was, “Do they have amnesia or something. This has been done before only without the muslin underneath!”

    • Shawn EH

      Carrie just seemed so immature and whiny. Like, if she had WON immunity, she would have given it up for someone else? Not likely. I disliked the praise for Amanda (reminded me of Emilio’s washer and rope travesty from his unconventional challenge more than anything), the personal attack on Angela (her dress was the only reason her team didn’t move forward? Were they hoping to make her cry more?), or the harping over Sandyha’s safety. If you don’t want someone to have immunity then stop giving it out!

      At least Tim new better than to save Carrie.

      • semirose

        Tim would never!

      • Mothra

        I really really really wanted both carrie and hernan to go home yesterday, if just for the reason of throwing Sandya under the bus during the critique.

        • hoopoeofhope

          I wish Hernan would pronounce the last syllable of each word he speaks.

          • Shawn EH

            Him getting all the subtitles cracks me up!

        • Mona_Visa

          Yeah, once I realized Carrie was going home I wanted Hernan to go too. Actually, I’m kind of hoping for hand-to-hand combat to play a part in the judging someday…

      • FrigidDiva

        I didn’t like how they singled out Angela either. I didn’t think her dress was anything spectacular, but it was not the worst thing on the runway by far. Fade’s exoskelton wasn’t anything great, in my opinion.

        • GorgeousThings

          The show has developed a real “Mean Girls” vibe over the first two episodes this season. Nina seems to be ragging on everyone and getting nastier by the moment, like she’s burned out on being a judge. Heidi used to come across as caring about the designers, but nowadays she just comes across as a power-happy bitch. I think this show has long since passed its prime. The only one who is tolerable is Zac Posen. And sorry Zac, but even at your wittiest, you still can’t hold a candle to the Persimmon Princess on his good days.

          • CT14

            It’s so “Real World”. Bunim Murray have been pushing it in this direction all along, because that’s the story they know how to tell.

            I fast forward all the talking parts, because I just hate the whining and nastiness. So the show isn’t very long anymore, for me. I didn’t even realize it was still 90 mins.

            • serenab44

              As much as people like to bitch about BMP, the producers have a lot less to do with the editorial depictions and judging than people think. The editing doesn’t create the conflict or the ‘less than appealing personalities’. Those designers hang themselves for sure. Of course in editing they have to squeeze the mechanics of the show (and all the ridiculous product shout outs) plus any kind of activity so maybe the dramatic parts are enhanced due to time constraints. But that’s the same in any scripted or documentary program…
              The show actually is one of the least manipulated of reality tv. And to be fair to the editors and producers, they have to make sewing appear interesting. I’m sure they are grateful for the drama queens.
              The only thing that really matters is if the designers have talent. Some do and some don’t. Perhaps they have less talent than in the old days. That’s the pity; I imagine that there are fewer good designers out there who are applying and more and more attention whores. But if they weren’t on the show would people watch…calling it ‘boring’? I don’t know. Besides, they have a day to make a dress. I’m always impressed that the models aren’t naked when they come down the runway. If we see a glimmer of creativity I’m pretty happy.

            • Frank_821

              I’m glad you brought this up. Sometimes I feel BM gets blamed too readily for the state of the show is today.

              Is the show as good as it was 5 years ago? No.
              Are the challenges as good as they were when the show was on Bravo? No
              Is there a lot more drama and drama whores? Yes

              The series has gone downhill. However this was inevitable and the show was heading in that direction before BM took over the reins. There has always been drama. It’s a high stress environment. And there have always been attention whores and drama queens on the show. It’s been mentioned today about Santino’s ugly fight with Nina that lasted over an hour. But there was also Andre’s onstage meltdown that last almost an hour as well. You have Jeffrey who in real life is a likable guy acting up as the elitist asshole to get more camera time.

              I’ve mentioned before that during the first half of season 4, people complained how boring it was. Kenley Collins was cast during the Magical Elves era.

              The decoy collections started going up in numbers during seasons 4 and 5.

              Much of the same manipulative tricks have been used and exploited by the Elves that BM use. The big difference is that the Elves appear more discreet and subtle with their editing and not always as exploitive. BM does seem more willing to cast “personalities”. But the Elves were never above exploitation as a couple of the more unsavory seasons of Top Chef can attest to that.

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            Nina’s demeanor does give off a vibe of “been there, done that, seen sooooo much crap walk the runway”. Perhaps she is burned out.

          • rhymeswithorange

            I think Nina is trying to make up for the Duchess not being there. Unfortunately, all her ‘witty ‘ remarks are just mean and not actually funny.

          • Raspberry2012

            It looks like Nina’s going to have one big long tension headache all season!

          • Paula Carr

            Man, really? I’m HATING on Zac Posen. Last night especially. He was such a preening little bitch. Ugh.

        • Gatto Nero

          The exoskeleton wasn’t particularly flattering, but I thought it was inventive and interesting.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        It’s also too early in the season to use the save.

      • hoopoeofhope

        Tim’s farewell kiss to Carrie – about thirteen inches above her left ear – showed that he cam be a bit of a bitch with people he doesn’t care for.

        • Raspberry2012

          I thought that too! But if you ever read his book, oooooh, GIRL! He doesn’t make bones about the people he doesn’t like! Homeboy is UP FRONT – there’s none of the sweet, nurturing Tim from the show. He lets his hair down on paper.

        • Shawn EH

          Can’t really fault a fashion guy for being an expert at the air kiss, however; and as a former teacher, I’m sure he has little patience for brattiness.

      • Aaronius

        I got the impression that it was to note that specifically, because of Angela’s dress, team sci-fi green scream won the challenge. I do think it was a “because of you, straw dress or insect whore aren’t winning today.”

      • demidaemon

        On the crying: I don’t think “hope” is the right word. More like “knew.”

        • Shawn EH

          So cruel!

          • demidaemon

            But true! You know underneath all that German beauty is hidden a deeply sadistic woman.

            Wait. That’s not much of a secret, is it?

    • mjude

      I didn’t get the win for Amanda at all. I thought the straw coat team would have been the top team. as for little miss mess, how is ever going to survive? I was disappointed in blue hair girl.

      • MilaXX

        All 3 of the safe teams were better than Amanda’s team.

        • mjude

          I agree.

    • MilaXX

      I liked Samantha and her team, but I disliked the length on all the dresses. The tops were interesting but all the skirts seemed to stop at an awkward place. I call total BS on singling Angela out. I thought her dress was done well and that whole dressing down was more producer manipulation designed to pick on an already wobbly designer. Of the so called winning team, I only sort of like Kristine’s. Korina’s dress look like something from a duct tape challenge.

      As for Carrie and her blaming Sandhya, they didn’t show a lot of the collection before Tim Gunn’s visit cause them to allow Hernan to turn them into Desiny’s Child costumes, but from what I saw Carrie has some scary pointy silver shoulder treatments, which YEESH! Fugly! Sandhya had what looked like a pretty cute circle skirt. Whiner or not instead of blaming Sandhya for their failure, she should have blamed Hernan who clearly took the lead and instructed them all to make those hideous dresses.

      • FibonacciSequins

        I was a little surprised Hernan didn’t get auf’ed for steering his team in a bad direction.

        • Stubenville

          That wasn’t in the script.

          • FibonacciSequins

            Yes, the judging last night was clearly not based on what was sent down the runway as much as the producer-created narratives. And between Carrie’s whining and her poor design, she earned her auf’ing. I wouldn’t have objected to both of them getting the ax.

            • Qitkat

              I think Carrie’s whining and talking back to the judges sealed her fate. Rarely has someone stood up for themselves like that quite so vocally. She was stubborn, told them they were flat out wrong, and showed no ability to be gracious, or comprehending of their decision to have her team in the bottom.

              On the other hand, Nina was superior, defensive, and rather ugly in her treatment of several people. Not pretty at all Nina, not pretty at all. PMS*

              *ProducerManipulationShite*

            • Jackie4g

              Nina was particularly obnoxious last night. Even for Nina.

            • FibonacciSequins

              Nina was a bitch on wheels last night. Come back, Michael Kors!

              Carrie tried to save herself by talking about how much better her original design was and putting the blame on Tim. She should know that’s never a good strategy!

            • GorgeousThings

              Vincent did on S2, but he came across as borderline psycho. She just came across as petulant.

              Sorry – that was supposed to be a reply to Qitkat.

            • Gatto Nero

              I think Carrie knew she was done for anyway. So she let them have it.

            • marlie

              I wonder how many designers actually defend their looks with such vigor. Considering the behind-the-scenes manipulation, I wouldn’t put it beyond them to decide that they’re going to auf her by making her look like the whiny, argumentative child, so they actually showed her runway behavior.

            • H3ff

              She didn’t “defend her look”. She just argued that Sandhya, who had immunity anyway, should go. Big difference (and far more futile).

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            I suspect that Hernan and the Mitchell will last long enough this season to produce an epic bitch-off,perhaps with wire hangers at twenty paces.

            • AnneElliot

              Mitchell surprised me by being pretty considerate of Sandyha. I think he’s just playing up the bitchiness to get more screen time, like Gunnar back in Season 10. He tried to act all bitchy but as the season progressed his real personality came out, and he seemed like a genuinely nice guy.

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              You could be right about Mitchell. He certainly understands that presenting a certain persona will earn him more screen time.

        • Gatto Nero

          Me too. I think Carrie has had a target on her back since last week. The judges were looking for any excuse. (Didn’t someone say that Nina and maybe Heidi were “allergic” to her?)

        • MilaXX

          Sandhya had immunity so it was between Hernan and Carrie. Carrie’s was the worst between the 2 so she got auf’d.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          Yeah, I was really expecting Hernan to get the boot. Sandhya was stubborn in the early hours of the challenge, but Hernan was much worse once he took over. Tim called him intractable, which is exactly right. I mean, Hernan realized someone had to lead the team (even though Tim specifically said there were no team leaders), but I think he was as panicky as Carrie and Sandhya, and couldn’t or wouldn’t think his decisions through. He led them straight down the wrong path.

          Carrie…I don’t even know what to say about her behavior. I think she was trying to defend her work, but was so blinded by anger that she kept going off track. She was completely out of line when she called Angela out for her dress. Instead of focusing on the work, Carrie just threw what amounted to a temper tantrum. She and Hernan both should have gone home.

          • swanpride

            The steamroller never gets auf’d so early in the game. It was clear that they would keep him around for more drama in the upcoming team challenges.
            Carrie…she just didn’t understand how the game is played. In a challenge like this, it is always smart to orientate on the “creative one”. And if a team implodes, screw cohesiveness, concentrate on making the best dress possible to rescue yourself.

      • Mothra

        The judges also responded quite favorably to the winning team and their use of the numbers and letters on the dress, which is exactly what Sandya was working on with her skirt before she was overridden.

        • ddfrog

          Her overall design was the basically the same as her first, just with new materials. If only she kept her original siliver skirt and went with the film strip top it could have been a winner.

        • Paula Carr

          I agreed with ??? on that. Sandhya’s original skit looked very cheerleader. Space station cheerleader.

          • SaveFearow

            I think it’s gonna be a long, long time til touchdown brings her round again to find
            she’s not the girl they think she is at home, oh nooo! She’s a Rocket Girl…

      • FrigidDiva

        When one of the judges commented on the dresses look like a 90’s girl band I immediately thought of Tina Knowles and her atrocious Destiny’s Child ensembles from House of Dereon.

        • SaveFearow

          I thought of the Cheetah Girls, Disney’s attempt to match Destiny’s Child popularity about 6 years too late with even fuglier design, less commercial appeal, and worse vocals.

      • Paula Carr

        Yes, the only thing that kept me from loving Samantha’s outfit was the length of the skirt. It should have been either longer or shorter. As is, it was a bit dowdy.

      • annieanne

        She could have blamed herself for following Hernan’s lead as well. If you’re so unimpressed with the direction the team is going — at least try to do something about it. Don’t just go along and then cry about it after the fact.

      • demidaemon

        To be fair, pretty much every team had one stinker, one good design, and one middling to good design, except for the two up on stage at the end, who, in my opinion, could have looked like the bottom two teams.

    • Gatto Nero

      ” ‘People are being mean to me!’ is not a complaint an adult should be making to another adult in a setting like this.”
      —————
      Yes — thank you. The whole “bullying” trope has gotten ridiculous as regards intelligent adults in a professional setting who are not at risk of physical harm.
      Grow up. And use your words.

      • Skippymom1

        Didn’t the cryer say “No one likes me.” before she put her head on the armrest of the couch ?Or some such. I thought the same thing in both instances. My children act more mature then some of these “women”.

        • Grumpy Girl

          And the sleep deprivation and bad food haven’t even hit these contestants yet! What are they, 6 days in, with the first two being arrival and showing (ie, a more normalized, no cameras-following-every-move scenario).

          • Gatto Nero

            Nick Verreos (at the Lifetime TV/PR website) estimated that they were about three days into the competition (real time).

            • Raspberry2012

              Then there’s no excuse for a meltdown at this stage! Come crying to us during the final five, for god’s sake!

            • somebody blonde

              Actually, I think in a lot of ways there’s more excuse for a meltdown now. No one has any actual friends to rely on yet, and they’re not sure what their place in the pecking order really is. I think Sandhya will probably buck up once she has at least one actual friend in the competition.

    • Shoelover1512

      I am not watching but I love reading the recaps. As I scrolled down and hit Samantha’s it stopped me in my tracks. I was really impressed. That should have won because it looks great and it looks “real” not like a bunch of stuff glued to a dress.

      • GillianHolroyd

        I just realized that I don’t remember seeing that team on the runway *at all*. Weird.

        • FibonacciSequins

          It’s probably because there was no drama surrounding them.

    • GillianHolroyd

      When the top and bottom teams were announced, I was flummoxed because I had them as “bad” and “worst”. Do NOT get the praise for Amanda’s dress, even the other designers complimented it.

      Char’s was one of my favorites. I liked her use of accent colors and the loops of tickets for texture.

      Was sorry to see Carrie go home, just because her dress last week was impressive. Hernan hasn’t showed anything interesting yet.

      • Stubenville

        But Hernan has a eurotrash foreign accent and and a dead grandfather to cry about. That’s reality tee-vee gold!

        /sarcasm

        • Daisy Walker

          I do like that he called out Amanda’s “DIY” dress. He was spot on, and I’m surprised it didn’t get edited out.

        • rhymeswithorange

          Okay, Hernan said he had showed his own collections at Fashion Week before, how is he still allowed to be on PR?

        • Paula Carr

          Heh, I was assuming when he talked about granddad that without that money he never would have made it to fashion week. That is, more money than talent.

    • mjude

      TLO says – “12+ seasons and eight years writing about this show,” wow, have I been a bitter kitten that long?

      • Danielle

        Right? Makes me feel old.

        • Inspector_Gidget

          Also makes you laugh whenever a contestant acts surprised about something. They’ve only been running things this way for ALMOST A DECADE.

          • Danielle

            “So we got a note in our apartment to go to (place that isn’t so weird but we’re going to act like it is), and we go, and OMG, Tim’s there!”.

            “Later, Tim comes into the workroom, tells us to stop working, and OMG THERE’S A TWIST! WHAT?!”

            • Becky Simmons

              That’s one of the reasons why I liked April in S8 – in the makeup challenge she tried to bust out her look quickly because she knew a twist was likely.

            • Raspberry2012

              “OMG, April, how did you KNOW??”

            • Becky Simmons

              It’s almost like she’s seen the show before. ^_-

    • Gatto Nero

      For me: “Life’s too short. And besides, it’s just a silly game show.” just about snaps it all into perspective!

      • jungguy

        To be fair, this silly game show launched TLo’s career(s) as fashion bloggers.

        • Gatto Nero

          It did, and I’m glad about that. But with only a few exceptions, it hasn’t really launched any design careers.

          • FibonacciSequins

            A large number of former contestants seem to be working in the field in various positions, not necessarily as designers if their own collections. I wonder how much the exposure helps them get industry jobs they wouldn’t otherwise be considered for.

            • GillianHolroyd

              “…[if] the exposure helps them get industry jobs…”

              I thought I read the reverse; it actually works against them. But it is an advantage to designers like Chloe and others who had a small business in a non-fashion-capital town, where the publicity works to their advantage, as long as they don’t behave like idiots onscreen. It would be interesting to read a complete where-are-they-now? recap.

            • FibonacciSequins

              A where-are-they-now recap is a great idea!

            • Frank_821

              I think it does depends on the person and how you behave.

              Malan was booted early but he’s managed to come up with the dough to appear during Fashion Week on a regular basis

              Daniel Esquival is getting rich from his time but he’s getting opportunities and he’s used that notoriety to help raise awareness for fashion events

            • bitchybitchybitchy

              On July 24th the Washington Post ran an article on PR, and they interviewed Chloe Dao, Daniel Vosovich and Christian Siriano;there were also references to some of the other previous winners, Jeffrey Sebelia’s children’s line, and that Leanne Marshall is doing bridal.

            • Aaronius

              I know I’m in the minority, but I loved basically everything…every seam that Chloe dao did in season 2. I thought she should have given up dresses for architecture.

            • Raspberry2012

              And that really is up to them, you know? I mean, if someone like Sandro or Ken ever gets hired again, I’d be surprised, no matter how talented they may or may not be. I think it all has to do with attitude, that’s gotta go a long way.

            • Lisa_Co

              Judging from what Christian Siriano has said, having PR on your CV is a hindrance. He has been running from the show ever since he won.

          • jungguy

            I am glad too, as I often enjoy the TLo experience, even when they are defensive about their PR roots.

        • Gatto Nero

          I’m quoting TLo here!

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          No it didn’t. That’s like saying Chloe Sevigny launched our career as bloggers. Or Mad Men. Or Lost.

          • Jacob Bowen

            SNAPS!

            Edit: Z-SNAPS!

            • jungguy

              Didn’t TLo start with ProjectRungay, which eventually diversified into the TLo empire we know today? Not saying they owe everything to PR, but it did bring in a sizable (and loyal) audience.

            • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

              How sizable an audience? How loyal?

            • jungguy

              You would know better than anyone, but I remember an active blogspot comment board back in season 4, and you have others commenting today on feeling old following you for 8 years. I have a Tim Gunn bobble head that you sent me back in the day from winning some board contest. I’m loyal enough that I check in for your PR coverage still.

            • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

              Well thank you for your loyalty. But since we know the numbers and the history of our site better than anyone (seeing as how it’s our business and all), please believe us when we say that Project Runway did not “launch” our careers any more than any of the other thousands of topics we’ve written about over the years.

            • jungguy

              Perhaps launch was overstated, and for that, I apologize. I didn’t mean to minimize your diversified blogging or success in such, but rather to allude to our first exposure of TLo-ness so many years ago.

            • BLC

              This was 10 days ago and no one will read this, but I just happened to be catching up on the posts from season 10, where you are quoted in the Week 8 Judging the Judges as stating, “Darlings, we didn’t forget about that little show that launched our careers, we promise you. We’ll always take time out from our busy fashion weeking to bitch about the judges’ outfits a little.”

              So it seems in the intervening 2 years you have changed your mind about what “launched your careers”, that’s fine. But it seems excessive to drop in to the thread to get testy with jungguy about something that seemed like a very pleasant “given” to you and many of your readers.

            • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

              Yes, the intervening two years changed our mind when a flood of people who only post here once a year started informing us that we owed all our success to Project Runway and that we should post exactly what and how they prefer because, as once-a-year readers and commenters, they liked to inform us that they “made” us.

              We’re more than sick of it and we honestly couldn’t give a shit if you think that sounds testy.

            • BLC

              I definitely enjoy your site more for the non-Project Runway content (as I finally disavowed the show after the Anya season), and like many others I very much admire your success in turning your brand from Project Rungay into the 365 fashion/television/pop culture destination it is today. I am always thrilled when someone I know in real life mentions your Mad Style’s or red carpet reviews, but especially love your inclusion of and enthusiasm for sci-fi.

              Obviously, I would know nothing of your inner workings as a business or how you can feel hamstrung by some PR-only readers. It’s an unfortunate hallmark in fan culture (especially when something began in a more “underground/indie” environment) that many original fans can become spiteful and possessive when their favorite star(s) expands their audience or grows in new directions. I just think that when it was mentioned above that PR “launched your careers” it was not meant in a reductive way, but as a positive reflection on how far you’ve come. Again, you read way more comments than I do so if the phrase “PR launched your careers” has frequently been made equivalent to “we made you”, I’m sorry.

            • SewingSiren

              Very loyal :)

          • Skippymom1

            Are you being facetious?

            • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

              Nope.

        • marlie

          This show has changed so much (not for the better) since the move from Bravo to Lifetime that it’s practically a caricature of itself now. It wasn’t a silly game show in the first couple of seasons, but it most certainly is now.

          • jungguy

            I agree, the credibility has fallen. My comment was more in the tune that TLo started their blogosphere footprint solely on PR reviews, in the ProjectRungay days.

            • Claes Sandstrom

              .

    • Winter_White

      At first I saw Amanda as a cross between Juliette Lewis and Lisa Kudrow. After last night, I’ve had to amend that:

      She is Juliette Lewis plus VALERIE CHERISH! lol I was waiting for her to do Valerie’s fake-humble, prayer-hands “bless” gesture to the judges last night when they were praising her dress…

      • FibonacciSequins

        Ha, she was so insincere with her “you should pick your favorite”.

        • Qitkat

          This is the earliest in the season I can remember the judges polling the contestants (lol, I almost said characters) on the runway.

      • Karen Miller

        She is Joan Callamezzo, the hostess of Pawnee Today on Parks and Rec.

        • Winter_White

          Haven’t seen P&R…I watched Lisa Kudrow’s “The Comeback” a few years ago, on the recommendation of TLo and a chorus of Bitter Kittens. Valerie Cherish is insecure but also desperately ambitious, at times shameless. And yet you cannot dislike her! (Amanda is already beginning to test that last point for me.)

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            Valerie Cherish will be back on TV, as HBO is doing a six episode season of “The Comeback” sometime later this year or next year.

            • Winter_White

              Looking forward to it!

            • Inspector_Gidget

              NO way! Serious? That’s the best news I’ve heard yet today.

    • Mothra

      I was shocked to see that Sandya is only 28. She seems older than my mom. I am hoping that she stops whining about being ganged up on and gives whomever gives her crap some solid straight up strong Indian lady smackdown. I hope the same thing for Hong Kong girl (andrea?) who is about as timid as a mouse but with the personality of an unsalted top saltine. I liked the straw dress the most but i am wondering how the winning look won–why is there green duct tape at a movie theatre?

      • Elizabetta1022

        “The personality of an unsalted top saltine.” You just made me laugh out loud.

    • Raspberry2012

      “but at the end of the day (or the runway), it’s just a muslin dress with a lot of shit hanging off it; exactly the kind of entry that sent designers home in other unconventional materials challenges.”

      Okay so good – it’s not just me then. The first thing *I* thought was, “This was the exact same kind of bric-a-brac mess that almost got Emilio’s ass sent home in the S7 unconventional challenge.”

      • In_Stitches

        Did he get sent home for that? I thought he made it to Bryant Park.

        • Gatto Nero

          No — “almost got … sent home.” (Though I thought he should have been aufed for it!)

          • Stubenville

            Agreed – exposing the “good china” (thank-you Peach) should be grounds for an automatic auf.

            • Gatto Nero

              I now use that term at every opportunity.

            • Elizabetta1022

              I loved that. Peach is from a town very near where I grew up in Illinois, but I never heard that term used before! Thank you for the reminder. I am putting it into my vocabulary queue today.

            • Becky Simmons

              One word: Sandro.

            • Gatto Nero

              Showing lady bits seemed to be the point of his whole aesthetic.

            • somebody blonde

              Wow, I totally do not remember Sandro. What season was he on?

            • Paula Carr

              Can’t remember the season number and can’t be arsed to look it up, but he was the crazy Russian with the Stalin moustache who stomped out of the studio and accosted a cameraman.

            • Becky Simmons

              S12 – he’s the one that punched the camera on his way out.

            • somebody blonde

              Oh no wonder. I stopped actually watching the show midway through season 10 and only read the TLo recaps. I’ve started watching again, but I’m not sure how long I’ll last this time around.

          • Raspberry2012

            Same here. It was a bikini with twine and washers hanging off of it.

          • In_Stitches

            I need to sleep more. Definitely missed the almost.

            Not just the bathing suit…he should have been aufed for that hair!

            • Raspberry2012

              Right? It was as fried as the twine if I’m remembering correctly. That whole look was a hot mess.

            • In_Stitches

              It was a giant Barbarella monstrosity, most likely designed to distract from the look as much as possible.

        • Raspberry2012

          As I said, almost. He was in the bottom two.

          • In_Stitches

            Don’t know where my eyes are this morning. It’s been a long week….

    • Elisabeth Ashley

      I was pretty torn with Sandahya during this episode. In the beginning she was being just as obstinate as Hernan was (and let’s not pretend that circle skirt was all that great), but in the end she just decided to completely follow him because she knew she had immunity and she tried to do what she thought was best for the team. I honestly don’t think their looks were all that terrible though; they just all looked the same.

      Amanda continues to annoy me. Her dress was cool but like people have said, she’s not as innovative as she thinks she is. Her team did have the best looking mini-collection though, so props for that. They worked really well together, and that showed clearly in their designs.

      And on a random side note THE Mitchell Perry is actually a pretty nice guy. Helping Sandahya finish her garment last challenge and encouraging her this one, and also just generally not being the huge witch the show set him up to be surprised me. And even if his design was simple, the dress itself was super glittery and fun, and probably my favorite look.

      • FibonacciSequins

        I was surprised to see The Mitchell comforting Sandhya. Maybe there’s more to him than beachy, bitchy boy after all!

        • Raspberry2012

          I think he might have been trying the “Gunnar” route: I’m still convinced that Gunnar wanted to be the bitch of the season to get extra screen time, but then quickly dissolved into a very nice guy. Could be that THE Mitchell might be the same – time will tell!

          • AnneElliot

            My thought exactly! I did post that in a comment above, I should have scrolled down and read everything before I started typing. Alas, I’m a day behind and still catching up on the PR commentary.

      • FrigidDiva

        I totally had THE Mitchell Perry as being the gay-diva-histronic-drama-queen character for this season but he’s actually not that bad. I’m wondering if he was casted as that originally and played up that idea to the producers to get onto the show, but once he actually got on the show and into the challenges his real character came out.

        • Aaronius

          ^this. Ita

      • MilaXX

        It seems that The Mitchell Perry is a nice guy when he forgets to put on his Florida Queen personality.

      • demidaemon

        I do love how they decided the first ten minutes of the show should be “The Mitchell Perry in Black Briefs.”

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      My favorite individual pieces last night were Sean’s straw dress and Mitchell’s CD dress (what can I say, I’m partial to sparkly things). Fade’s dress does look worse in stills, but I still think it was an interesting concept, and Angela’s wasn’t nearly as bad as they made it out to be. Team Straws should have won the day in my opinion.
      I have mixed feelings about Sandhya. While I found her running to Tim Gunn to be annoying, I also think that she was perhaps prodded to do so (they seem to have one of these Tim Gunn Oprah moments every other episode now a-days). I thought her circle skirt looked cute and she tried to explain to her teammates the difference between cohesion and sending all the same thing down the runway. I just wish she would have stood up for herself more on the runway (though I do respect that she didn’t enter into the drama vortex). I thought her design was interesting, if not really win-worthy last week, so I hope she steps in up in the next challenge.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        I wonder if you’re right about Sandhya being prodded to visit with Tim. I suspect the producers want at least one teary then comforting moment per episode.

    • Danielle

      I hate it when people get pissy about immunity. What the hell is the point of giving people immunity if it doesn’t save someone’s ass once in a while?

      And someone needs to tell Angela to ‘Suck it up, Buttercup.’ You can’t spend forever whining and moping about getting a critique by JUDGES whose job it is to JUDGE you and other contestants in the game show you chose to be on.

      • CozyCat

        I agree that Angela is a neurotic mess, and that she probably has no chance of winning as a consequence. But I can’t blame her for being devastated when Heidi blamed her for the team not winning–especially since there were probably many teams where one person pulled down the team score or a highly scored design didn’t win because the other team scores weren’t as high.

        I mean, imagine how Andre would have handled a critique like that. Angela’s behavior was positively stoic in comparison.

        • Aaronius

          I said this earlier up thread, and perhaps the editing didn’t do it justice, but I think the point was that Angela’s dress was SO BAD, and specifically for an unconventional materials challenge (I mean, come ON,) that she pulled her team down SO FAR that their two designs with their insanely high, off the charts scores couldn’t make up for her basic dress with crap attached.

          This unconventional challenge is generally one of the more consistently judged challenges on the show, after all.
          1. Don’t make the primary focus be some material that already resembles fabric.
          2. Create a “textile.”
          3. Don’t focus on wearable. Focus on “concept.”
          4. If the judges have to ask you “what’s that made of,” you’re winning.
          5, If the material looks like what it is, you’re going home. Transform it.

          Angela failed with “material that looks like fabric” and “paper that looks like paper.” So did the entire losing team with “film that looks like film” in our “Gold Age of Film Collection.”

          • annieanne

            Somebody should make this into a poster for the workroom for every future unconventional challenge.

            • demidaemon

              Somebody who has no time or life could make a list of these for every reality competition show and sell them to prospective contestants who are too lazy to do their own research.

    • R.A.

      Watching that episode made me miss Gretchen. If you’re going to make outlandish excuses, do it with aplomb, damn it!! I’m talking to you, blue hair girl.

      On a related note, I just spent a good twenty minutes perusing the T-Lo archives until I finally tracked down “The Thirty-Three Faces of Gretchen” post. Still every bit as glorious as it once was. G-d, I miss the good old days. Favourite line:

      “At any rate, to sum it up, no one was in charge here, they all loved this collection and you should think very hard about what that means, everyone forced me to do their bidding, and Michael Costello barely has the motor skills to successfully piss on himself.”

      Bless you, Uncles.

      • blixtme

        That post really was epic. Last night there was just a lot of whining. I did enjoy how Zac kept making faces though.

        • R.A.

          I think that’s what irked me. The whining is to be expected but it was SO unimaginative. “It’s not fair that a member of my team has immunity!” “We only had one day to complete this challenge!” “Everyone is being mean to me!” I’m just waiting for someone to tell one of the judges that the dog ate their homework.

          Zac’s faces are wonderful indeed. I’ll be sure to pay them special attention next time around.

          • Raspberry2012

            I mean, what did she expect, that they’d take immunity away from Sandhya and send her home? It doesn’t work that way. The only person who ever did that was Donald Trump in S2 of “The Apprentice” and I don’t think it’s ever happened again on any show. And Donald Trump is certifiable, so it hardly counts.

            • Danielle

              I remember that. I think it was more about the guy being super-cocky saying that he felt so confident about that week’s task that he didn’t need immunity. So Trump, needing to have the biggest ego in the room, said fine, you no longer have immunity, and you’re fired.

            • R.A.

              That’s actually kind of funny.

            • Raspberry2012

              And as crazy as it was, I really did enjoy that. He kind of gulped a little as he assured Trump that he was totally confident. Little beads of forehead sweat even…

            • R.A.

              Right?!?!? Nina wasn’t even willing to explain her decisions, let alone renege on them. In what world did Carrie think that the judges would respond to her with “You’ve made us see the light! You win!”

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Oh, man, I’ve always wanted to see that happen. Who knew it would be Donald Trump to do something so awesome.

              It was pretty obvious Carrie and Hernan thought the judges should do exactly that. I mean, how many times did they say neither of them should go home? I’d say at least a half dozen.

              Carrie’s been bugging me since she said “I have blue hair. That means I’m creative,” which…no. That just means you have a stereotypical idea of what an artist looks like, then bought a package of blue hair color at Sally Beauty Supply.

          • Paula Carr

            Ugh. I think he’s an entitled little sh*t. Seriously, I found him so obnoxious last night. Little rich boy who only has a career because of daddy’s money. And his clothes suck.

      • Raspberry2012

        “Thirty Three Faces of Gretchen” is my favorite TLo thing ever! I’ve straight up Googled that when I’ve been in need of serious cheering up!

        • R.A.

          It is just the best. Makes me snort-laugh without fail every single time.

        • Gatto Nero

          I just found it. Epic.

          • Raspberry2012

            It’s awesome on it’s own, but it’s like 100 times better if you watched S8 and knew what that whole dynamic was like. TLo were spot on.

            • Gatto Nero

              Oh, I did watch S8. I was yelling at the TV along with everyone else.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

              Click on the PR season 8 tag on that post and you can see a few more “caps” posts that show off the crazy dynamic that season: the intro caps, the Nina caps, the judges gone crazy caps, and the reunion caps.

            • Raspberry2012

              YES!! You have to see the Nina Caps!

            • http://www.jaimieteekell.com/ Jaimie

              I just rewatched that scene again and read TLo’s take. I had forgotten how fucked up that season was. Gretchen had this like, cult of personality.

      • Jacob Bowen

        OH MY GOSH. I wish I had been around when TLo started because I have now been going through the original archives and DAMN! I’ve been laughing extremely hard, which is not to say I’m not laughing now, but there is SO MUCH MORE material that I didn’t know about that I’ve got to peruse now! That “Thirty Three Faces of Gretchen” is just PERFECTION though. I even love Michael Costello’s facial expressions…oh Gretchen, how I’ve missed you.

        Seriously though, Project Runway has become SO much more fun now that I’ve been following TLo for the past 18 months! I am so glad to be able to laugh at the artifice with someone else now.

        • Gatto Nero

          This forum is so much better than the one on Lifetime for PR. Intelligent writing and good insights all around, and always civil.

        • R.A.

          Oh, I am so jealous that you get to read the “Thirty Three Faces” bit for the first time! It’s like meeting someone who’s never read Harry Potter haha. Enjoy getting lost in the archives…

          • Raspberry2012

            Yes, just dive into the archives and have a blast! That’ll carry you over for the whole weekend!

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          “The Thirty Three Faces of Gretchen” was pure gold. I’m going to have to google that for a fun read today.

        • somebody blonde

          Ha, I actually just rewatched season one while reading their posts on it. Hilarious. Especially Wendy Pepper and her crazy woman earrings.

      • Gatto Nero

        Is there a link to the Thirty-Three Faces page? I’ve searched but can’t find it.

        • Becky Simmons

          Google “project rungay” to find the TLo archives. Scroll to the bottom and find the episode – it’s in season 8

        • R.A.

          @disqus_vrvR4rjIS5:disqus I’ve posted a link to it as a comment under my own comment but because it contains a URL we will have to wait for the Uncles to moderate it. It pops up when you Google “The Thirty-Three Faces of Gretchen” – try that.

          • Raspberry2012

            Yeah, that’s the fastest way is just Googling – takes you right to it without having to hunt the archives.

            • Gatto Nero

              Thanks everyone!

    • Paula Pertile

      The hot make up guy is back!
      I loved the subtitles for Sandhya and Hernan! I kind of love him? I don’t know.
      Really didn’t love those green dresses that won. At all. Didn’t get the judge love there.
      Carrie was a sore loser. It does suck the way the team thing works out sometimes, but she could have reeled it in a little. Tim even seemed a little stiff and not his usual loving self when he bid her adieu.

      • FibonacciSequins

        Tim was definitely cool in his goodbye to her.

        • CozyCat

          Well, they pretty much threw Tim under the bus (“We had better designs but Tim told us to change them)

          So, for once, I don’t blame Tim for being a little bitchy…

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          Tim has no patience for Romper Room fuckery. On the other hand, Sandhya got a Tim Gunn hug! It’s a tonic that cures all.

      • SewingSiren

        She was a sore loser know doubt about that. But she was totally manipulated by the judges . They stated that Sandya’s was the worst, therefore hers was not the worst.

        • MilaXX

          Worst of the worst though. The fact that they were on the bottom should have clued her into the fact that even if Sandhya’s was good they would still have been on the bottom. After all they claimed Angela’s bought her team down, but the other 2 designs made safe. Based on that rationale Carrie can only blame herself for not making a good enough design to at least be safe.

          • SewingSiren

            Oh definitely she was wrong. But she was also manipulated.

            • MilaXX

              She already had a bug up her butt because she didn’t like what Sandhya was making when they were in the workroom before Tim came by. She was so predisposed to not liking Sandhya’s design that she readily followed Hernan’s instructions even though they were crap. Granted the teams are always assigned for maximum drama, but I don’t think she was manipulated any more than normal. Heidi saying that wasn’t anything she hadn’t already decided in her mind.

        • FibonacciSequins

          The judges gave her an opportunity to make her case for auf’ing Hernan and saving herself, and she used it to point a finger at her mentor (Tim) and the designer who had immunity. It was a poor strategy.

          • Eztizen Sánchez

            The judges gave her an opportunity to yell and cry a little before sending her home anyway. They didn’t completely dislike Hernan’s outfit, and they don’t dislike Hernan. They hated her outfit and they hate her. There’s no chance she could’ve stayed.

          • Aaronius

            …especially considering that was the fact ALL DAY, nut bag. Whether Sandhya’s dress was the second coming of Jay or she took a poo on a sheet, she wasn’t going home.

            And frankly, after the both of them were such douches to her, I’d have totally gone the poo on a sheet route.

      • Raspberry2012

        I have to confess, I loved Kristine’s dress out of the green bunch. I’m sorry, I was a teenager/young 20s in the 80s, and it had that whole “Frankie Say Relax” look about it, which it’s now just dawning on me as to why I liked it! Subconscious nostalgia.

        • Anabag

          Totally.

        • FibonacciSequins

          It was the best from that team.

        • Eztizen Sánchez

          It was the best from that time, and yet, it was fugly green puke.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

        Hooray for Hot Makeup Daddy! It brightened my day, the day being my episode viewing experience.

      • FrigidDiva

        They totally threw Tim under the bus too about their design choices. They kept telling the judges, “Tim said”–he gave you criticism and advice, he didn’t put you “under the Gunn” and tell you you had to change your designs so that every dress was made out of the same materials. Carrie needs to grow up and learn how to take responsibility for her own choices instead of blaming everyone else.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

          Nobody puts Gunn under the bus!

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            Or in a corner! Blaming Tim Gunn is not going to save your ass on this show.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

              It’s one of my favorite quotes, so cheesy and easy to rework to fit other situations!

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

              Oh, and the “Tim Gunn save” ought to get everyone to constantly suck up to him in case they are eliminated early. Jeez. Contestants need more strategizing abilities, like Wendy Pepper! ;)

        • Qitkat

          Tim pissed me off. He has his “nurturing/critiques with a heart” workroom personality, his “supportive” private chatroom personality (he would have given the exact same speech to any other designer he gave Sandhya), and his rather “abrasive, stand with the judges” personality. I thought he threw Team Last under the bus as much as Carrie did to Sandhya and Amanda’s team.

          • guest2visits

            So glad you pointed that out – Tim knew every detail of what happened on team Sandhya and how all the designs became Hernan’s own design, which he described accurately to the judges panel. But it seemed a little evil to stand back and watch the team dynamics implode (since his advice was so misconstrued), yet tell the panel how badly it went down in the workroom. It should’ve helped Sandhya some but it didn’t in the judges eyes. However, at least it revealed to the judges how Hernan bullied the other two into using his concept alone. I would’ve been fine with Hernan’s departure along with Carrie’s.

            • demidaemon

              To be fair, he’s not there every second of the day. he couldn’t have known that “make it more cohesive” would become “three dresses that are pretty much the same.”

            • guest2visits

              It’s not his job to make sure everyone’s on the right track, or on their best behavior every moment, I know… it’s a game after all and that’s what competition is about. But still after he spilled what went on in grand detail I half said that’s right, tell them….and half thought Day-umm Tim; why didn’t you stop it…. which I do in a lot of these instances. I know he does his part in directing them and helping with advice. It’s just that at the end there – it was like wow… that’s a lot of unloading of drama that could’ve been averted. But then it wouldn’t be a tv show. Or at least the one we love to hate.
              It might’ve felt more fair if his information had helped the judges opinion of Sandhya’s work but they just hated it excessively – and it was the best of the group! And they let Alexander’s somewhat less graceful work pass with no comment on how he used the spools of film in an obvious or trite way – which seemed to be part of hate for Team Red, along with the fact everyone did the same dress in different shapes.
              As long as I’m rambling I may as well add that I thought it was fine to hear Carrie or Hernan or any designer explain what they did or why… and to ask for feed back from the judges. It may not be pretty (as in this instance when Carrie and Hernan included slamming designers not on their team) but makes the judges have to be more accountable for their decisions ( which are unfathomable a lot of the time)….I’m sorry that makes Zac or Nina uncomfortable but I’m sure they’re up to it.

          • FrigidDiva

            You know, I hadn’t really thought about it like that, but that’s totally true. Tim really does have a lot of different personalities that he throws out there. I suppose after this many seasons, and having a producer credit, he knows how to get the drama going.

            • cocohall

              Tim may also be the victim of capricious editing. It is true that he gets furious when bad manners are on display and the school marm with the ruler side of his personality comes out. If you’ve ever heard him recount the story of Anna Wintour forcing her personnel to carry her down multiple flights of stairs you know that he truly is a “take no prisoners” sort of guy.

    • semirose

      I kinda read Sandhya running to Tim as more of a therapy session “please reassure me I’m still a special snowflake” thing than a “tattletale do something about the bullies” thing. I was ok with Carrie being bitter about the auf until she went after Sandhya because grow up girl, you always knew she wasn’t getting eliminated and according to the edit you were just as complacent in letting Hernan dictate the terms.

      I saw the Angela getting called out as more we need to give Amanda the win for “the story” but we need to explain why Team Straws isn’t in the top. Which sucks for the super fragile Angela, especially since her design wasn’t that bad and two weeks in a row of being called out will probably make next week the total breakdown.

      • JMWilder

        The Angela call-out was probably the funniest moment of the whole episode. “Weepy girl: you suck. We, the judges, wanted to let you know that you ruined it for your whole team. Way to screw everything up, loser.” I didn’t understand why that happened, except to mess with her, but I think you’re totally right that it served as the justification to put them in the middle. Because the straw coat was pretty awesome.

        • Qitkat

          I guess your sense of humor is different from mine.

          The judges are turning into bullies. I don’t watch the dancing lady with the little girls for just that reason. Bullying fragile people/children for ratings or any other reason is not funny or acceptable in my book.

          • Stubenville

            Agreed; it was uncalled for and calculated to cause distress and create tension in the workroom.

            • Eztizen Sánchez

              Which is totally unnecesary because she’s already a teary mess and I’m sure Korina will soon create a looooooot of tension,

          • guest2visits

            I thought it was horrid too and the only reason it could’ve been done was to juggle the line-up. It doesn’t make any sense in any other context. Well, unless the PR judges are just naturally sadistic……..hmmm…

          • JMWilder

            I totally see what you’re saying and my comment makes me sound a little like a sadist. To clarify, I have tendency to laugh at things that are completely inappropriate and absurd. What the judges said was completely unnecessary and deliberately cruel, but it was so absurd that they called her out so suddenly and randomly that I started laughing. There was no reason for them to say that like they did except to provoke someone who clearly can’t handle the stress just to amp up the drama.

            • Qitkat

              Thanks for clarifying. I can see how this can happen.

      • Pril Wood

        Angela needs to grow a pair. The pouty-mopey-weepy thing of hers of is getting
        old quick. Her design wasn’t the worst, but it was pretty Meh compared
        to the other two.

        • Gatto Nero

          I admire her bold career move — setting aside a lucrative and secure job to follow her heart — but the fashion industry is ruthless. If she can’t hold it together on PR, this doesn’t bode well for her overall success.

      • alyce1213

        Just maybe, I think, they’re setting up “the amazing turnaround” for Angela. That’s an effective character arc in this show.

    • SewingSiren

      My view in a nutshell:
      1.The winning team dresses all looked alike. Losing team all the dresses looked alike the silhouettes of the losers are actually more different from each other than the winners.
      2. The only reason they singled Sandya out for having the worst dress and being “lucky” was to get the other two to bicker and bitch for the camera. Nice work judges.
      3.I thought the fade, Angela, Sean team should have won because they had the strongest group of three. Each dress stood on its own and looked good with the group. The judges picked on Angela just to create further drama in the workroom. Her dress wasn’t the worst in the group and if the judges liked Sean’s that much they should have just give it to him . Why single out Angela?
      4. My second favorite group was Alexander, Emily, Samantha, with Samantha being the winner of the group. But the whole group looking good.
      5. The sparkle, pretty pony group was just okay. With the ticket dress being the best of that group.
      6. Amanda’s group woutd should havebeen in the bottom for repetitiveness. All body con fringed minis. Two ugly , one naked save for muslin. So either Amanda or Korina would have been sent home.

      • Lattis

        on singling Sandya and Angela out:

        I guess after 13 seasons I should know that if the contestants aren’t into inflicting head games on each other, then the judges step in and provide them. But, that was some pretty obvious pot-stirring. At the very least you’d think that the judges might have learned how to manipulate their subjects with a little more finesse. I think we deserve some pure industrial grade Nixon-Machiavelli-Iago grade manipulation by this time! Come on Heidi put a little thought into it!

        Or . . . maybe just don’t do it.

      • CozyCat

        I also think that by trashing Sandya they were setting up drama for the rest of the season. There were already a fair number (and through editing they implied the majority) of designers who thought she shouldn’t have won the previous week. Now they will blame her for getting Carrie aufed. I expect lots of anti Sandya talking heads at the beginning of the next episode.

        • Aaronius

          They singled out Angela for at least one valid reason…not remotely following the rules for an unconventional materials challenge. Nothing was transformed, etc.

    • EzzyV

      Carrie gave me a Kenley Collins vibe. I am glad she is gone.

      Sandhya, if people are starting to throw you under the bus, you pull them under with you.

      I loved Mitchell’s the most.

    • RiseGrind

      Y’all are some bitter Queens!

      Carrie was the right choice to go home and her entitled “I should have been at Fashion Week” mentality is what sent her packing on the second challenge.

      Amanda was the rightful winner. Her look was the most unique, interesting and wearable. It’s time to put your bitterness re: her return aside because she’s poised to make major waves this season.

      If you’re so tired of the show, why watch it?

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

        Y’all childishly lash out at people who have different reactions to reality TV shows than you do!

        If you can’t handle other people’s opinions, why read them?

      • SewingSiren

        In regard to Carrie- All the contestants should feel that they should show at Fashion Week or they shouldn’t be in the competition.

      • jonnyf8

        Is your brother in Maroon 5 too?

        • serenab44

          ha ha ha. yeah…

      • Raspberry2012

        Okay, you’re right, we all like her now. Thanks!

      • Denise Alden

        You’re not from around here, are you?

      • RroseSelavy

        That’s Bitter Kittens, get it right.

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Yeah no I didn’t watch last night and looking at who did win, I probably won’t watch this season because it’s too ridiculously manipulated. If I’m going to watch things that make no sense, are overacted, and generally ridiculous, they may as well have real actors (see Witches of East End, True Blood).

    • MarieLD

      So glad you said what you said about Amanda’s dress. I didn’t not understand the praise.

    • Gerry Coleman

      I’m so very tired of hearing, “I didn’t get a chance to show what I can do.” You got the chance. You got the exact same chance as everyone else. You just didn’t capitalize on it.

      • Raspberry2012

        Right. Treat every challenge as though your ass is on the line, because it is. Each challenge is your only opportunity to pull out your best work. I mean, what is that excuse, every single season? “I thought I’d pull some shit out of my ass this time around, and then really wow ‘em on the next one!”

      • FrigidDiva

        The ones that complain about not getting to show the judges what they could really do are the ones that only have the express goal of being “safe”, they don’t really go out on a limb to make something amazing.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

        They got even more of a chance than all the other people who auditioned and didn’t make the cut!

    • Adrianna Grężak

      I’ve gotta say, as a whole the construction is better than we’ve seen in a while on this show

    • Jacob Bowen

      Samantha’s dress was CLEARLY the best, but THE Mitchell’s, and Alexander’s were not too far behind (even if THE’s dress was a bit boring in shape, I couldn’t get over the color and symmetry of color he managed to create with CD’S!). I CANNOT with Angela’s defeatist attitude (or edit) because if she’s on the show she clearly thinks that she can design.

      • Pril Wood

        I kept yelling at the screen “go home!” every time Angela got that long mopey face. If she was edited to be annoying, they did a good job. And if she is as inflexible and self-derivative in her designs as it seems, maybe I won’t have to wait very long (good!) to see the backside of this big baby.

    • FrigidDiva

      I still don’t really remember who anyone is at this point except for Amanda and her redemptive story arc, which really gets on my nerves. I’m sure she’ll make it to the end or right up to the last challenge before they pick who shows their collections. I don’t know what she was wearing last night on the runway, but those white disco platforms did not go with that blue jumpsuit monstrosity.
      Angela shouldn’t have been singled out, her dress was so much better constructed than Fade’s. Those straws that were on the skirt didn’t help that look at all. He needed a bottom part that had a lot more freedom of movement since the bodice was built like armor. Also, the judges were REALLY harsh last night. Nina and Zac needed some more fiber or a stiff drink to loosen them up a bit.

      • marlie

        Out of all of the cracktastic judging last night, I thought that singling out Angela was particularly unfair. And the Amanda win was laughable. Can’t say I’m sorry to see Carrie gone, though.

        • jorinde

          but you have film rolls and discs and 3D glasses and straws and all that colorful movie-related stuff to choose and then you make a garment out of plain white paper. I would think the judges were more unsatisfied with that (and rightly so) than with the dress itself.

    • FoxInSocks

      I’m not convinced any of these deserved a win. Comparing it to previous seasons, I’d probably give Mitchell the nod for making something that looked least like “stuff made out of crap they made us use”. Still nothing remotely innovative about the actual design of the garment, though.

      Going to give a lot of benefit of the doubt vs. editing, because it seemed like there was a lot of “showing people in a less-than-favorable light” last night (even with the judges – glass of water for Ms. Garcia, please). That said, this season is a veritable blizzard of snowflakes thus far. I don’t think I like any of them.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Upvoted for “blizzard of snowflakes”.

    • MarieLD

      Nina made me sad last night, when she said something about not having to explain themselves. Shouldn’t part of the judging be a critique and include what you liked about other designs and disliked? It was a little too Lady Macbeth for me.

      • MilaXX

        I think she said that because she was getting tired of the excuses coming from the losing team. After all the judging goes on much longer than what we see.

        • MarieLD

          OK. Thanks Fox and Mila. That helps. And I meant Gertrude not Lady Macbeth — a lady protesting too much. (As if the producers told her what to pick and she didn’t want to have to explain that.)

        • Stubenville

          Supposedly the argument between Santino and Nina in the lingerie challenge went on for 90 minutes (as crazy as that sounds.) I think that was mentioned in one of Tim’s old podcasts.

          • Kimberlini

            Whenever the contestants ask for an explanation or more feedback, the judges give them shit. “You’re not in class anymore Dorothy” kind of stuff. And that’s just wrong IMO. A critique should include adequate information to support the position.

      • FoxInSocks

        I’m giving her the benefit of the editing on this one, because I’m guessing the actual process of listening to Hernan and Carrie try to have anyone and everyone else sent home (up to and including Tim) was more annoying than we saw.

        But my response to the way it was shown was definitely “Why should you have to explain? Because, along with looking superior and/or like you’ve just smelled something foul, giving feedback is your job here, my dear.”

        • CozyCat

          I agree completely. In the early seasons designers could learn something from the critiques. Laura was a better designer at the end than at the beginning because the judged explained that she needed to design for women other than herself.

          My theory is that the long, drawn out contracting process–which almost took down the show–when they moved from Bravo to Lifetime took a lot out of Nina, Tim and Kors. All of them have had a “whatever. Just send me the check.” attitude since then.

    • alyce1213

      I had Amanda’s team in the bottom. Hers was, as said, a muslin liner with stuff hanging from it. The green thing (Korina) was atrocious. However, if Kristine had the time to weave more like the top of the dress, or come up with something less stiff for the skirt, it would have been amazing.

      I was appalled by Heidi’s singling out Angela, that was cold, cruel, and uncalled for — her design was not stellar, but it wasn’t bad, and I think that team should have been on top. Fade’s was weird, especially the bustline, but it was imaginative. I liked the straw dress very much.

      I was quite surprised by Mitchell’s — it was pasted on discs, but the pieces/colors were well laid out and it was a very cute, wearable little dress.

      • FibonacciSequins

        Amanda covered her muslin with script pages. Still basic, I grant you.

        • Shawn EH

          Wasn’t that Angela?

          • FibonacciSequins

            Yes! Thank you, I fixed it. I’m sure that won’t be the last time I do that this season!

            • Shawn EH

              Weirdly, they’re all standing out very distinctly for me already. I don’t know if it’s them or I’m just that desperate for some old school ProjRun Thursday nights!

            • FibonacciSequins

              They are very distinct personalities, and I know which person has which name (of course it helps that one of them is a recurring contestant). I just tend to mix up names that are similar, like Angela/Amanda’s are-same number of letters, beginning/ending with the same letter which is pronounced both ways in each name, each has the same number of consonants and vowels. Brain quirkiness; which is why I expect it to happen again, ha.

              Old school PR Thursday nights FTW! :-)

            • Paula Carr

              I empathize…my brain works like that, too!

      • veriance

        I was certain that Korina (aka bitchy Alanis) was going home. I don’t care for her and really didn’t like her dress.

        • Paula Carr

          I wasn’t certain…but I was hoping.

    • Rhonda Shore

      I look forward to watching it tonight but from the pictures here, Samantha, Emily, and Alexander should have been the winning team.

    • Skippymom1

      Sour grapes made me laugh for the pun worthiness of her Welch’s grape hair [which I like btw] but mygawd I am so glad she was voted off, if not for her design, just to shut her up. Take your ball and go home 3 year old.

    • GinnyThePainter

      Goodbye Kelly RussiaBourne. Good riddance.

      I think I’m done with Bitchahontas too. Wasn’t she the one who told Sandhya last week that “everyone else thought you were in the bottom, but I called a win for you.” Sorry, but that’s the bitchiest thing I’ve ever heard on a show where nearly everyone speaks fluent bitch.

      • Frank_821

        Actually Samantha told her that. It was kind of a misguided attempt of support on her part.

        I do hope Carrie can learn from this experience and see how she came across.

        I always recall the S3 Miss USA challenge and the drama Angela was part of in regards to not just Vincent but also Kayne. After the episode aired, Angela posted a formal acknowledgement of her questionable behaviour on the BPR site. She expressed feeling awful about the way she came across to Kayne. She also took responsibility for her part in the conflict with Vincent WITHOUT badmouthing him. That was way more adult than how Vincent replied to the whole scenario

        • Scarlet39

          Wow! Even after all these years, I had no idea that Angela did that!

    • guest2visits

      So true – Sandhya’s was the best of the trio; even though it was not her initial idea and the judges were completely wrong about it. I liked it. Don’t get her running to Tim, maybe she thought his critique of their group exploded any claim she had to her own design and was trying to get confirmation or validation from the ref. Don’t know. But the judges were WRONG.
      Angela’s esthetic reads very clean and precise, actually reminds me of architectural drawings and mock-ups. Not a bad thing although if she’s ever forced to use a print she may never leave the restroom. The judges comments were again ridiculous – and mean. She could’ve stepped it up but it wasn’t hideous.
      Loved Samantha’s; pleasing, harmonious. As was Sean’s straws. And Mitchell’s even if it was just glue and press. And Char’s too. Thought Sandhya’s was right up there with them. Fade’s and Emily’s were imaginative while not altogether flattering.
      Amanda’s was nice, but not at all the winning look in my opinion, I liked Kristine’s use of the letters but I thought both of theirs needed some work. The team looked cohesive in color only – Korina’s dress made from tape alone wasn’t very creative and looked awkward and chunky. Again judge-crazy talk.
      The bottom looks were Kini, Carrie, and Korina’s.
      I think Amanda should watch out. Looks to me like she’s getting a little bit of validation at present to justify her spot on the season. I hope I’m wrong and she makes all kinds of nice things but I get the distinct feeling Heidi hates her. And Hernan is an ass.

    • Presumptuous Insect

      Carrie was such a jerk. So self-absorbed. Good riddance.

    • quiltrx

      I’ve decided not to watch this year (I haven’t watched since the Anya debacle). Purely looking at the pictures here, Samantha’s is my favorite, followed by Mitchell’s. These were interesting unconventional materials.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Last night’s runway gave me another case of the meh’s and fugs. I agree that Samantha actually had the winning design, and Mitchell produced a cute dress. The fact that Carrie and Sandhya were steamrollered by Hernan, whom I see being called to account for taste issues down the line is a point against the entire team-Hernan for being so bullheaded about his concept, then the two women for throwing up their hands and going along with him. I don’t get the judges’ love for Amanda’s effort-as TLo said, this is a muslin dress with lots of stuff draped over it. I suppose it’s a make-up win for Amanda, and part of this season’s story arc.

    • jahphotogal

      I always watch PR with my daughter (age 12) who is destined to be on the show someday at the rate she’s going. She loves everything about it except for Zac – something about him really skeezes her out (all those faces maybe!). I didn’t hate Amanda’s (is that her name? the winner) dress – I get that it was just shit hanging off of her, but I liked how it hung and it looked stylish.

      • alyce1213

        I’m with your girl. Zac skeeves me out too.

        • BLauDGaspode

          And me! I can’t look at the screen when he’s on. I get the heebie-jeebies from him.

    • Denise Alden

      I found it interesting that Sandhya’s comment to Carrie early on (“We all just can’t use the same materials; that doesn’t make a collection cohesive” or something like that) was exactly the judges’ criticism. And the judging was insane: that winning team was NOT the winning team. I can’t remember disliking a female contestant as much as I do Amanda, and that’s saying something (Anya, Gretchen, et al). But on the plus side: Lo’s favorite movie is “Babette’s Feast,” and I learned from him that Karl Lagerfeld designed Babette’s costumes! And I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I miss The Duchess, too.

      • Gatto Nero

        I loved “Babette’s Feast.” I need to rewatch it now!

        • alyce1213

          Me too. I LOVE that movie. Mr Cheetah taught a class at NYU for a couple of terms, Food in Film, an elective for food and nutrition majors. Of course, Babette’s Feast was on the syllabus. Others: Big Night, Fatso, Eat Drink Man Woman, Like Water for Chocolate, Tampopo, Fried Green Tomatoes, etc. They’d watch movies, then go into the teaching kitchen and try to recreate a meal. What a fun class.

          • Gatto Nero

            “Big Night” is a sentimental favorite of mine, but I’ve seen all of these and would watch them again. Sounds like a great class.

            • alyce1213

              I came back to say I’m very excited to see the new Helen Mirren film, The Hundred Foot Journey. Anyone else?

            • Gatto Nero

              I’m always excited about Dame Helen but know nothing about the film. I hope it’s worthy of her.

            • alyce1213

              I’ve seen a couple of tv commercials. She plays the owner of a restaurant in a small French town who has competition from a new Indian restaurant across the street. Director is Lasse Hallstrom. I hope it’s good too, and she makes most everything worthwhile.

            • Shawn EH

              It looks great! I love those softening the Ice Queen movies in general.

          • Shawn EH

            “Eat Drink Man Woman” always makes me cry. Even with the ridiculous plot twists, there’s something just so sad about those three sisters and their lonely search for love.

          • Paula Carr

            What a great concept!

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            I love Big Night. I’ve seen it at least a half dozen times. A few years ago, my husband and I made timpano for our monthly dinner club. It took the two of us three days to put it together, and it was only half the size (maybe smaller) of the timpanos in the movie.

        • Paula Carr

          I tried to watch it for the first time last year, but TCM screwed me (or maybe it was Time Warner). What I thought I recorded was not what I got.

      • somebody blonde

        Yeah, I miss the Duchess as well. I’ve missed the last couple seasons and am only now tuning in again, but I disagree with Zac’s taste so often. Kors has very commercial taste, which in this context, was a good thing.

    • dmkava

      I like Sam, I suppose we’re not hearing about her more because she’ll make it through to the later rounds and we’ll see a lot more of her then. Oh, and this whole thing of bringing back someone from previous seasons is bunk. If I was Amanda, I would be embarrassed to be back, kind of like a high school senior who fails and then has to repeat her senior year.

      • Gatto Nero

        She’s not generating any drama and is (wisely) staying on the sidelines so far. I liked her entry last night — she really transformed the materials.

        • Shawn EH

          Showed a lot of style; I was afraid, because her stuff looked pretty conventional to me in the audition, and they usually hate that. But she’s got some skills.

      • Eztizen Sánchez

        A high school senior who fails, has to repeat her senior year… and probably will fail again. In her case, she was in the Teams Season, which was shit, so she probably just wants to do a damn dress by herself and show it.

    • Beverly Miller

      Is it me or do the judges seem a little more snarky this season? Granted, they’ve always had attitudes but Zac Posen always seemed a little nicer than Michael Kors. Posen has always been honest but not mean-spirited. Last night he seemed almost angry with the designers and thus, let it fly.
      Anyways, I was really disappointed that Sandhya didn’t stick up for herself. She wanted to do her own thing – which was looking really cute – and the others bullied her into following them. Then, they complain about her as if she was the one who screwed it all up. Pathetic.
      I would have liked to see what else Carrie would have done but I think the judges made the right choice. I thought it was funny how Tim challenged Hernan about taking the bullet for the team and Hernan stayed quiet.
      I thought Angela’s dress was pretty and Fade’s was a horror. But, what I really didn’t get is why the judges felt it was necessary to call her out for her design. It wasn’t the best but it wasn’t the worst by a long shot!
      As for the ‘winners’ -WTF??? Korina’s looked more arts and crafts than anything I’ve ever seen go down the runway on that show (do we really need to hear about her Native American heritage every time the camera turns on her??). The entire collection was cheap looking and uninspiring. Amanda’s dress was hardly the best on that runway last night nor was it the most original. It had a nice flow and it turned out better than I thought it would but otherwise, it was just ‘meh’. I think the judges just wanted to throw her a bone because of her previous failures. Kristine’s design was the most original but again, arts and crafts. The top was horrible!

      • dmkava

        I don’t get all of this backtalk and speaking up on the runway, it just seems unprofessional and lame-especially when Angela or Sandyha promised to do better and yada, yada, yada–just be happy you weren’t eliminated and leave the runway.

        • Grumpy Girl

          Agree. When the contestants bitch about each other, it’s just demeaning and I lose respect for them, no matter how true their complaint may be. A wisely played eyebrow or body turn can speak more eloquently than any words.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          If it were defending the garments, I’d get it. But “You guys are being mean, and you should have seen how awful it was for poor me in the workroom”… no.

    • sundaynightaddict

      I’ve already made my feelings known about Amanda’s monstrosity in the open thread, but can we talk about her *own* runway outfit for a second. I know the 90s are back (kill me, please), but that whole schmatta overalls getup was hiddy. Did you see those shoes?!?

      • jorinde

        I keep thinking it shouldn’t be an issue how the designer dresses himself, but I fear I can’t get past Amanda’s getups, too. I remember horrifying “shirts” and waistcoats she wore past season. And not horrifying in the sense of brave and extravagant, but in the sense of outdated and tasteless. I always tried to close my eyes to her clothes last season, cause I liked her a lot. But somehow I don’t want to excuse her anymore.

      • Sarah Jacobs

        Yup the jump suit was so unflattering and made her body look all misshapen..like a bowling pin…she has a nice figure…but what she chose to wear distorted it in a less than nice way.

        • Paula Carr

          Every time the camera was on her during the judging, my eyes were drawn to her midsection, because it look like she had a belly roll. Maybe it was just a weird fold in the fabric — linen will do that sometimes — but it was very unflattering.

          The less said about those clown shoes the better.

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    • bizarro

      Sandhya’s crying to Tim was immature, but to be fair they were browbeating her in the workroom. And on the runway they both demonstrated their ability to be mean. Hernan and Carrie forced Sandhya to do exactly as they were after the critique, and then blamed her for the loss. Carrie acted like a spoiled child. and Samantha’s looks better in the stills than it did on the runway.

      • Gatto Nero

        I don’t know — my esteem for Sandhya diminished after her coddling session with Tim. I agree with TLo’s take on this. She’s an intelligent adult who should either stand up for herself or just get on with it. She had nothing to lose in this challenge and should have been more willing to collaborate at the start — whereas her teammates had everything to lose (and one of them did).
        And it’s not just Sandhya. I’m tired of cries of “bullying” in this context. These are not helpless little kids facing a physical threat on the playground, or vulnerable pre-teens being psychologically beaten up online. They are adults who have willingly signed on and who know the nature of competitive reality TV. Buck up.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          Agreed. I don’t enjoy the “be mean to your fellow contestants” or the judges randomly being mean, but I really don’t enjoy, “I’m telling the teacher on you!” either.

          • Gatto Nero

            Yes. I hate meanness and cruelty. But as an adult you should be able to defend yourself or rise above it. And if you can’t, you shouldn’t audition for reality TV.

            • DuBey2

              THIS. We are each responsible for the choices we make.

        • Qitkat

          I agreed with you up until the bullying statement. While technically you are right about these being adults who ought to know what they signed up for, there’s just something different when the judges single out an obviously fragile personality. In my book, that is still bullying. And unfortunately there are myriad examples on line and in other shows, not just reality ones, facebook, etc. It’s a really unfortunate part of our culture these days, and I am glad I’m not raising little kids in this environment because that is some challenge for parents and teachers and other leaders to deal with. Not everyone can “Suck it up buttercup”. Even though we think they ought to be mature enough to. The bullying that starts in childhood will just be passed on in adulthood. There are plenty of therapists making their living dealing with that.

          • BuffaloBarbara

            Adults definitely can be bullied, and are. There’s something to be said about knowing something is a reality competition and therefore, certain things will happen. On the other hand, we don’t necessarily know how we’ll respond to it until we’re there. (For me, I know better. I’d regress to junior high in about two seconds flat.)

            I think what bugs me is that this is an accepted part of culture, and that people are praised for being “assertive,” instead of being denounced for being jackasses. None of which changes the fact that, by Season 13, you know what’s coming when you audition. I think if they’re going to do the bully storyline, they should have the bullied rise up and smack back mightily. That would be more interesting than going to the “teachers.”

            And there’s a big difference when it’s the judges doing it. They don’t have to coddle and shouldn’t — newspapers and blogs are not going to be kinder — but randomly singling someone out just to say something nasty over what was, at worst, a middle-of-the-pack entry kind of crosses the line, since they’re the ones with all the power.

          • Gatto Nero

            I don’t condone cruelty in any context. In this case, with the judges delivering a verdict, there’s a fine line between legitimate critique and nastiness. I think Nina and Heidi enjoy walking (and sometimes crossing) that line.

            • Qitkat

              Gatto, I never thought you did. I didn’t mean to make you feel defensive. I’ve read enough of your comments to know you are a thoughtful, caring person.

              I do worry about the bullying that often seems so casual in today’s culture; as a baby boomer, it didn’t seem to be that way as much when I was younger, at least not in the world I lived in. And I think you are spot on with your last observation.

            • Gatto Nero

              Thank you for that, Qitkat. You didn’t make me feel defensive, but I did want to make clear that I don’t take cruelty lightly. I was bullied as a kid, for real — physically threatened and pushed around, because I was quiet and smart (an easy target), had stuff stolen at school and rumors spread about me, etc., and was too scared to tell anyone. But I agree that this kind of behavior, especially verbal harrassment, seems more prevalent now. Louis C.K. did this great screed on Conan (it’s on YouTube) about why he won’t buy his kids cell phones, and part of the reason is that it’s too easy to put hurtful stuff out there about someone when you’re not face to face — that cyber culture actually fosters a lack of real empathy. Maybe there’s some truth to that. And in the case of reality TV, producers have figured out that viewers get fired up when the insults fly. Which is why I would never put myself in that environment.
              If I’m attacked verbally now, I either respond calmly or walk away. One of the benefits of maturity, I guess.

            • Qitkat

              Deep breath. Wow. Of course I had no idea you have had first hand experience with bullying. Any experiences I have had were very minor comparatively. And even those were psychologically painful. That is one of the great things about this space, people feel safe telling their stories. I was just on another site, reading comments about something unrelated, and I became increasingly uncomfortable with the tone of the commenters towards one another, so different from here. Thank you for sharing, I am sorry this happened to you. You found your strength to become a mature adult somewhere along the line, and not passed your hurt along. It isn’t easy to respond calmly or walk away, I’ve been saddened by examples of this in my own family. I will look up that Louis CK video. Take care, I’m really touched.

            • Gatto Nero

              Thanks for your kind response. Typically I don’t reveal personal information online, but this forum is different (TLo have created an atmosphere of warmth and civility), and the dialogue invited it. It was a rough experience, but if anything it made me more sensitive to the plight and the feelings of others, I think. And I hate to think where some of those bullies are now. I’m sure they have their own terrible stories.

          • Eztizen Sánchez

            I agree, and I think Michael Costello was a good example. He was being fucking murdered every day, in the workroom, in the runway… It was so frustrating. However, I don’t think this counted as bullying.
            Carrie asked Shandiya to get together and talk about how to make their garments cohesive, she refused. Halfway through the day the had 3 pieces of crap and Carrie got pushy; bad move, but I can’t say I wouldn’t have done the same if I had felt my ass in danger. So she just went crying to papa because oh, poor me, they want to exchange ideas instead of letting me do my own crap and forgetting this is a group challenge.
            Singling out Angela was really cruel, but I wouldn’t call it bullying… yet.

        • DuBey2

          One can only imagine the releases these contestants must read & sign before coming on the show.
          There was just one time where I sensed real, actual danger, & that was Ken. His behavior was inexcusable and threatening. I’m still shocked that the producers were offering him as a possible vote-in contestant this season.
          I guess they must’ve hired a whole new team of lawyers & security, so they wanted to get their money’s worth out of them (the new lawyers)…

      • CanIbeFrank

        Sandhya should have just said to the entire group, “Look, I get that many of you are shocked that I won. I was surprised myself. Obviously we all come here with our own design aesthetics and unique views, and we won’t all love each other’s work all the time. For whatever reasons, the judges really liked mine last week. And next week, any one of the rest of you could be in the boat–with the judges loving something the rest of us “don’t understand.” Let’s just be true to ourselves, each put our best work out there, and know that there are many paths to being the winner. This is stressful enough–can’t we put our energies to creating awesome designs instead of pulling each other down? That’s what I’m going to do.”

    • Yaysita

      The designs were overall disappointing and underwhelimg, I think that the reason Amanda’s team won was because their garments were full on Monets, at first glance they were kind of eye-catching and striking (the colour, the graphic quality, the movement on Amanda’s dress) but upon further inspection you can start to see the many faults in each dress.

      These were impressions of potentially interesting dresses, not fantastic garments as the judges would like us to think.

      However once they gave the team the higher score based on the initial runway reaction, they had to stick with that mentality in the judging where it became kind of obvious that the dresses weren’t all that.

      • Qitkat

        Wouldn’t it be thrilling, if just once, upon close examination of the garments, the judges called all the designers back into the runway room, and announced they had changed their minds, and were going with a new lineup of INs and OUTs?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

          YES!

        • http://wardrobemalfunctioned.tumblr.com Yaysita

          Yes! It was kind of ridiculous seeing them defend Amanda’s dress once we saw how unfinished and bare the look really was. I mean, I also responded to it when the model walked down the runway, I thought it was interesting looking, but when they showed close-up shots of it, it was sooo disappointing, they all were, really.

    • Susan Collier

      I have a hard time getting over Team Kini/Char/Mitchell being so safe with no bitchy asides from the judges. The plain dress shape and infantile color palette reminds me of Suede. Clearly I’m allergic to baby blue and pink.

      Loved Samantha’s DVD scales and film dress and Sean’s straw… uh… what was that supposed to be? A dress? Well, I loved that too.

      There was no super-strong team IMO. I’d have given it to Samantha/Emily/Alexander.

      • Gatto Nero

        I agree completely about the “safe” teams except for Mitchell’s entry. It was a basic dress design, but his use of materials and color placement were quite beautiful.
        I sympathize about the palette and wish there had been more options available — and more time to use them.

    • bunnydiet

      You are 100% spot on with your critique about PR last night. 100%. I am so disappointed in the judging this year. I think too much of Howard Stern gas influenced Heidi and the rest of the judges for the worse!

      • forwarddad

        I think you meant to say Howard Stern has but gas worked

        • bunnydiet

          I did, but yes, gas does work. Thanks for laughing with me!

    • Kang

      I was hoping to see a popcorn dress!

      • CanIbeFrank

        Yes, all those concessions and no food on dresses! What a rip-off for us viewers.

        • Raspberry2012

          Me too! We’ve had a corn husk dress, a gumball dress, a gummy shark dress and a Twizzlers dress – I was looking for a popcorn dress too!

    • LJCdoc

      Total BS on Amanda winning this. I was completely convinced that they’d pulled the two worst teams and were just screwing the rest, and that the B/W “villain” team and the One with the Girl Who Made a Better CD Dress would be the top. That green shit was ugly.

    • lilibetp

      I don’t watch the show any more; I just come here and look at the final results. I’d have given the win to Samantha and #2 to Mitchell (I love the colors!).

    • conniemd

      I know it sounds dumb, but at first glance I really liked Amanda’s dress. The green chains looked perfect splash of color against black and white. The other were too much green. At second glance, there isn’t much to Amanda’s dress, but it was pleasing to my eye and made me smile. It was obvious that Sandyha’s group would be in the bottom, because teams where two gang up on the one hated one always end up putting out a mess. But it was definitely obvious when the same three dresses came down the runway – doh cohesion does not mean duplication.

    • Dino Bonačić

      Hernan & Carrie bitching about how the winning should be the losing one and how Amanda should leave and yaddayaddayadda literally made me cringe – I put the audio on mute just because it felt extremely uncomfortable.

      On the other end – I love Fade’s, Char’s and Samantha’s the best. They were cool with a bit of wow factor. If Char’s wasn’t in a collection of Barbie dresses it would definitely stand out, while I also see Fade’s and Samantha’s in the same collection – those 2 looks were both cohesive and chic.

      • Frank_821

        Actually they were bitching about Angela not Amanda. And they were claiming they were better than the team of Angela, Sean and Fade. Carrie said Blue Team. Amanda’s team was silver

    • Inspector_Gidget

      The judging was impossible for me to follow this week. I didn’t agree with the winning team (especially the winner, good lord) or the losing one. Team Amanda’s designs just scream “stuck a bunch of random office supplies on a dress form.” Don’t get it at all. And they were trying way too hard to wring maximum drama out of the losing team. Ever since the Epic Gretchen Team Meltdown they try really hard to go all Jerry Springer on the losers.

    • minnye

      The 3 dresses on the losing team made me think of that Charlie’s Angles Time Magazine cover where they were all wearing pink sparkly dresses w/ different necklines. I’m not getting het up about the winners & losers this season, but aufing yet another “waahhh! I was supposed to WIIINNN!” attitude was A-ok with me.

      • Raspberry2012

        I REMEMBER THAT MAGAZINE COVER!!!!

        • Scarlet39

          I do too!

        • minnye

          *high fives*

    • in a pickle

      Huh, It would have made as much sense to me if the winning and losing teams were flipped- I can never tell with the judges.

      • PurlGrey

        I agree with you. The top looks were ugly as shit and the bottom looks were at least safe to me. I heard nothing but bullshit from the judges.

    • Scarlet39

      Judging by the look on Nina’s face, I think Samantha’s was her favorite as well. I certainly thought it was the best thing to walk the runway last night. I just don’t get the love for the winning team’s collection. For me, it was a huge WTF (but then again, the past 5 or 6 seasons have been a huge WTF for me).

    • BuffaloBarbara

      I was ready to deal with the ugliness of that shade of green if they’d just said the story behind the collection was greenscreen effects. I would have been behind that. Unfortunately, it just seems to be really ugly green, and the whole collection is just “stuff hanging off a dress.” I get that they’re telling a story, really, but it’s not a very good story.

      If they’re going to reward “stuff on a dress,” Mitchell should have had it for the DVDs, though I worry about blood loss for anyone passing too close to it.

      Okay, one at a time:
      Amanda: Must go with the open thread commentary last night: Stop trying to make Amanda happen! She isn’t British slang, and no one thinks she is, Gretchen Heidi. The dress is a bunch of chains and things, and it is not aesthetically pleasing.

      Kristine: For what it is, it’s okay.

      Korina: Didn’t hate as much as you guys did, but still. Duct tape dress, and not the best one I’ve ever seen.

      Samantha: Very nice work. I don’t understand why this didn’t get at least a little judge-love.

      Emily: Oh, yeah. Probably because this monstrosity kept the whole team out of the top. May I take this opportunity to hate on team challenges for this exact reason?

      Alexander: More of a sculpture of a dress than an actual dress. It looks like you could put it on a pedestal somewhere in the costuming department at MGM or something as a tribute to movie costumes.

      Angela: Not great or worth the workroom tears, but jeez, Heidi, it didn’t need that callout.

      Fade: Well-constructed, but weird-looking.

      Sean: This is the second time he’s sent down that unflattering silhouette. You can do wonderful technical things to a tent dress, and it’s still a tent dress.

      Mitchell: Very eye-catching and pretty, if a little bit dangerous. After last week’s disaster, this was a relief, and he should have been in the top three easily.

      Char: I like her no-nonsense attitude and it took some skill to sew all the tickets together, but yeah… not a hugely impressive entry.

      Kini: Awkward shape again. What’s with this year’s batch and awkward shapes?

      Sandhya, Hernan, and Carrie: Because it makes no sense to review the same dress three times. It didn’t look bad to my eyes when the models were moving down the runway, but up close… yeah. Not so much. I do think Sandhya’s was the worst of the three, but she had immunity; suck it up. Carrie started out all right — excited about the challenge — but by the time we got to the bus-throwing part of the evening, I wanted her to go home. Hernan was also getting on my last nerve. Then again, so was Sandhya, with the fake drama and running to Uncle Tim for no good reason. So were the producers for subtitling Hernan’s perfectly understandable dialogue. So basically, yes, every time this team was on screen, I wanted to start gulping Advil.

      • alyce1213

        “. . . the story behind the collection was green screen effects” — that is a fantastic, creative idea!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

        “…the bus-throwing part of the evening…”
        That is a hilarious expression and an excellent descriptor of Project Runway.

    • http://www.rcantor.com BobC

      Wasn’t Hernan the guy who bullied Kramer out of his armoire?

      • Raspberry2012

        “WHO?? WHO WON’T WEAR DE REEBON?!”

    • hoopoeofhope

      I am so glad that someone else thought Amanda’s breakthrough dress was just a lot of chains and keyrings over a shift. The judge’s decision dumbfounded me.

    • Hillia

      I’m surprised no one’s mentioned The Mitchell and his black bikinis. Why didn’t someone say ‘Geez Louise, dude, put on some pants…no one needs to see that’.

      • Frank_821

        Well to each his own. I didn’t really care. Granted if it was S4 Rami, people would be openly swooning…lol

      • demidaemon

        In his favor, he does have a nice package.

        I’m shallow.

    • BuffaloBarbara

      On Angela: I get that people are annoyed by her insecurity, but I’m kind of okay with her. She seems to have done a major career shift and given up extreme financial security, and I think she was genuinely unprepared (and was probably hoping to prove to herself and her family that she didn’t make a terrible life choice — if I gave up my steady job to become a writer, I know I’d be getting grief about it). I hope she gets it together later on. Right now, the judges have unfairly berated her twice — the pants last week weren’t terrible, and the dress this week certainly didn’t deserve getting singled out. Both should have been middle of the pack and safe.

      • Scarlet39

        She’s Starr 2.0

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I don’t remember Starr… what season?

          • Danielle

            Season 1. She was the lawyer who wanted to try fashion and made the tumor dress on the envy challenge.

            • Inspector_Gidget

              Tumor Dress! A dozen seasons later, still a bona fide classic.

        • Raspberry2012

          Exactly who I thought of!

      • Inspector_Gidget

        I’m not annoyed with her so much as the selection committee. You just KNOW they spotted that weepy mess and thought, CHA-CHING!

      • somebody blonde

        What was annoying about her this episode was that she really sucked at being on a team. I don’t think there was anything wrong with her end product, but she was really stubborn about every suggestion that was made by her team members and she wouldn’t let them help her when she was behind in time either. I actually liked her a lot last week, but this week she was making me a little crazy.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          That’s true. “I don’t wanna do it” is not an argument when you’re making a cohesive collection. On the other hand, they didn’t exactly consult on it. (Not that the show gave the contestants time to do something as prosaic as consult on a concept before starting. That would be crazy talk.) I don’t know that I like her best, and that intractability was annoying this week, but I’m not overly bothered by her obvious insecurity, and I don’t think it’s an act.

          • somebody blonde

            Oh, I totally agree there. I don’t blame her for her insecurity. I also think it was ridiculous to make the unconventional materials challenge a team challenge- maybe she would’ve been better if the team challenge involved actually going out and buying their own fabrics.

      • DuBey2

        I’d like to see Angela’s designs for at least 5 more weeks. I think they might be elegant & just fashion forward enough. But, for her to last, we may have to find a glass bubble for her to live in — where she can hear no one other than positive comments coming from a soothing, piped-in, voice.

    • Calvin Philips

      We should start a pool regarding which two designers are going to talk about how Sandhya sunk the Lusitania next episode.

      • Inspector_Gidget

        Two? More like which two won’t.

        • demidaemon

          I’m going to say Samantha and Mitchell, based on these two episodes, as who won’t.

          Korina, however, will co-lead the firing squad with Hernan.

    • Jay

      I rather like Amanda, but the BKs who don’t should take solace in knowing that she’s almost certainly not going to win the competition. The judges’ egos are way too big to crown someone they previously eliminated mid-season. I predict that, like Kate, she will be praised until the redemption storyline runs its course and then get the boot shortly before fashion week.

      I agree with many of the comments stating that the judging panel needs to be shaken up. I would take Nina over Zac any day, though. I find him so unlikable and think his taste tends to be very unsophisticated. Plus, it’s hard to take him seriously as a judge when so much of his work is hiddy.

      The Sandhya-Hernan-Carrie drama really didn’t phase me. Compared to many of last season’s contestants, they seem mature and well-adjusted.

      • Qitkat

        I think Heidi may be the real problem. Her taste range is limited, predictable, and has a really low bar. While they all have their favorites and dislikes, Heidi chooses hers very early based on emotion, but not necessarily good design (personality, ethnicity, odd use of materials). It might be a very different show if she were not in the Producer’s Driver’s Seat, but that’s all moot, because as long as she stays, the show will go on. When she gets tired of it, it will cease to exist.

        • Shawn EH

          Potentially revealing mini-dress = Heidi love, we all know it. And so probably does Amanda.

        • Inspector_Gidget

          Honestly, I think Heidi fills a needed role. Sure, her tastes are limited, but the past few years she’s played Devil’s Advocate in almost every final deliberation. She fought for Mondo, she fought for Patricia (lol). I don’t agree with her a lot of the time, but I think she at least makes the decision process entertaining to watch.

          Zac, just ugh. They desperately need a high end designer with impeccable skills and taste to counter Nina the editor and Heidi the model/host. And he just ain’t cuttin’ it most of the time.

          • Qitkat

            I never thought I would say it, but I do miss Her Royal Orangeness.

            • Stubenville

              Kors would have made at least one Godzilla reference and probably a rerun snipe, too.

            • Leslie Streeter

              Oh, Duchess. Where ya been?

          • somebody blonde

            You know who would be better than Zac OR the Duchess? DVF.

            • demidaemon

              True, though I doubt she could or would make the commitment. i wouldn’t mind Rachel Roy, though, as she has usually been a good addition to judging panel. Vera Wang would be interesting, just because she is so clearly stoned 90% of the time.

          • Chartreusite

            Seconded on Heidi. I don’t always agree with her but I do think she understands what makes the show entertaining and what kinds of decisions are gonna get people talking (Sandhya winning the first challenge, for example).

          • DuBey2

            Loved loved LOVED Rachel Roy. Bring her on & send Zac to one of the 10 PR spinoffs.

      • Chartreusite

        Agreed on the drama. I’m actually finding this season to be really refreshing since the past two seasons had some REALLY miserable personalities

    • Mona_Visa

      The judges are smoking industrial-grade crack. Or dropping weapons-grade acid. Or snorting experimental opiates…? Because the winning look was miserable. It was the one that should have been sent home.

      I was definitely on Team Carrie. (I’m a sucker for blue hair.) But when she started stomping on Sandhya’s design, I nearly yelled at my laptop screen. I think that was Carrie’s big mistake– she saw the glass as half empty. She saw Sandhya as a liability instead of an asset. Instead of being on the team with The Judge Favorite, and basking in Sandhya’s glory or perhaps riding on her coattails, she saw Sandhya as someone who would coast on her immunity and screw her team.

      • somebody blonde

        More to the point, once she figured out that Sandhya really didn’t want to follow anyone else’ vision, she should’ve started incorporating Sandhya’s elements into her own dress. That would’ve been the most efficient way to go.

    • Annie Lure

      I don’t think unconventional challenges should be team challenges. An unconventional challenge ought to be about individual talent and innovation– to see how each designer examines the materials, recognizes their intrinsic properties, and determines to which construction methods and design details they lend themselves. Such criteria suffice in distinguishing the superior designers from the mediocre ones. There’s no need to have them coordinate materials and silhouettes. Team challenges ought to have a point to them, not simply “design a mini-collection” and “make sure the looks are cohesive”. The only team challenge brief that’s ever worked was in Season 8 (Select a trend and fabrics best suited to convey that trend in a collection).

      Bottom team: The reason all three looks resemble each other/appear like versions of one dress is fabrication. All three designers used the exact same materials in exactly the same fabrication. If we were to visualize these dresses rendered in differing fabrics/materials/inner detailing, we’d see that there’s more than one neckline, more than one hem length, more than one shape.

      That said, Sandhya’s was easily the worst. I went back and checked her winning look and noticed that one winged shoulder had been torn. So. Last episode, she won with an extremely basic dress whose only design interest (those wings) butchered the shoulder. This episode, she stays in the game with a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE mess. Fine, she can’t really sew well. Can’t she glue either? Her entry’s inexcusable. A kindergarten project would look more put together than this. Hell, duct-taping someone looks better than this! So, she ties up her model with film and then goes to Tim for a therapy session? Her entire presence in the show is inexcusable.

      I’d have kept Carrie. Hers is in NO WAY worse than Sandhya’s. At least she attempted to mold the material within the silhouette of the dress. Moreover, her entry last week was quite promising. As for Hernan, well, I’m not convinced he should have stayed after what he made (or didn’t make) last week, but his was this team’s best entry. If he’d lowered the slit just a bit and fitted the boobs better, this would have been fine. He did the best job of mimicking sequins with the arrangement of the film (which I believe is what they were aiming).

      Winning team: Hate everything. Well, not Korina’s. Hers is a well-executed, cohesive idea. I like what she’s attempting with linearity. Amanda’s is just crap dangling off the model. They should have abandoned the lettering. It was never going to work because it’s gimmicky as hell. If they wanted to go there, then they had better make sure it was well-appropriated and well-applied. And clasping it in the model’s back (Amanda) or shoving it underneath soap-dish boobs (whoever she is, the gray-haired chick, I think?) wasn’t the way to go.

      Samantha: For the life of me, I can’t remember who she is. I’ve no mental image of her. Which is kind of a pity because this entry is damn memorable. She presented a well-balanced, well-executed look. Love the architectural bodice and how its structure serves as a counterpoint to the fluidity of the skirt. Love, love, love that curled-in hem.

      Alexander’s entry is promising, too. It certainly possesses runway appeal. A bit heavy but attesting to experimentation with techniques and with the silhouette. It’s not perfect, but it embodies precisely what these unconventional challenges demand.

      Emily’s is just wacky. Her previous entry, too, was wacky. So she pinched the boobs and blew up the hips a hundredfold.

      Angela’s isn’t bad, but there’s a prissiness to that ruffled treatment that irks me.

      Fade: Gotta give it to him, guy’s a craftsman. To me, this was the most accomplished entry. He did far more than merely glue. He’s got a lot of techniques at his disposal, and, as with the previous entry, knows how to incorporate them in a look. This look is sculptural, well-wrought, and runway-ready.

      Sean: Unlike Sandhya (who can’t sew or construct), he CAN sew and he CAN construct. Problem is, he sews and constructs ugly things. Last week, it was triangles dropping off the vagina, and this week it’s a skinned muppet.

      Mitchell: Beautiful work. He was smart to keep the silhouette simple so as to showcase the inner detailing. His arrangement of the material attests to good graphic design skills.

      Char: Flimsy and craft-y.

      Kini: Perfect! It made me smile. Sure, this dress and this ruffled treatment is ubiquitous (we’ve seen this over and over rendered in just about any material), but he executed it perfectly. It’s to his credit that this didn’t end up a massive, shapeless mess, and I’m glad he decided to do something exuberant and do it well.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Agreed about mixing team and unconventional. Too many elements!

      • DuBey2

        This:” Samantha: For the life of me, I can’t remember who she is. I’ve no mental image of her. Which is kind of a pity because this entry is memorable. She presented a well-balanced, well-executed look. Love the architectural bodice and how its structure serves as a counterpoint to the fluidity of the skirt. Love, love, love that curled-in hem.”

    • EverybodysStarling

      Amanda. Is. So. Obnoxious. Argh, she drives me crazy!

      Also: Digged Mitchell’s teams entry in a “yay, that’s what it must look like in Barbie’s vagina”- kind of way.

      • Stubenville

        Amanda doesn’t really bother me; she’s a mediocre designer with a pleasant enough personality. However the blatantly different treatment she’s being given by the producers / judges makes me seethe with anger.

        • Chartreusite

          I do think she deserved to be in the top last round just for sheer competence over the other designers, but the win last night was really puzzling. That being said, I have to second you so much on her personality; during her first season and this one I was struck by how charismatic she was and how she seemed to be having a lot of fun, which is the right kind of attitude for this sort of thing.

          • demidaemon

            Maybe this was a pity win for last week? It’s one of the few ways I can wrap my head around it, but I’m still not 100% behind the win (truthfully, not even 10% behind the win).

            • Chartreusite

              Neither am I it’s a crazy win. I’m trying to figure out if the judges (or production) is trying to rebrand the show or send a message by rewarding some of the weirder or more out-there garments given last week’s win and this week’s? The problem is last week’s made some sort of sense as it looked like something high-fashion, whereas this week’s was a good idea that took too much time and so never came to fruition.

            • demidaemon

              Yeah, I don’t know. Truthfully, the entire crop of outfits this week was a bit underwhelming for me. I wish they would have just cherry picked the best, because it was pretty clear the whole “design a collection” twist just made a recipe for lame clothes and drama. I’m sure the latter was hoped for, but I wished the former hadn’t happened.

            • Chartreusite

              Yeah I’m not digging the unconventional materials+teams conceit. It doesn’t work when you have to focus on cohesion of more than one look, as shown in that challenge Jeremy won last season (everything in that one seemed fairly boring to me). Honestly, I don’t even really like team challenges that much either because it just shows how many of these people don’t have the social skills to function in a collaborative setting.

            • demidaemon

              True on the social skills part. One wonders if they could have any success in this industry with those kinds of skills.

            • Chartreusite

              I’ve been wondering the same thing.

    • Judy_J

      I was really grateful to see Carrie get the boot. She was highly annoying from the get-go. And her design was awful, so her aufing was justified. But I’ve got to say Amanda’s design coming out on top was simply unbelievable. It was definitely among the worst of the bad last night.

    • spooki

      Amanda’s cat toy “dress” was really, really, really bad. I don’t understand how the judges could actually like it. It’s not even a garment, it’s just a stupid looking drape of strings.

      • Stubenville

        Perfect name for it.

        • Big Bear

          Coming to HBO soon – Drape of Strings.

          • pdquick

            Starring Spooki Stringhouse. :)

    • Laughingworld

      I reserve judgement on the tears with Tim bit; for the rest I think Sandhya was treated badly by her team. Tim said there were to be no team leaders, but Hernan certainly bullied her. If you remember what he and Carrie showed Tim it was just appalling. He had some kind of Ming the Merciless collar and hers was some derivative thing or other. Sandhya’s original design was actually interesting. It would have passed through. She didn’t have anything to lose either way, but she scrapped her original design for one that matched their tasteless gold metallic crap and they still weren’t satisfied.

      • MoHub

        I think also that Sandhya turned to Tim to get some validation and to avoid making a scene in the workroom.

        • Chartreusite

          Agreed. I think Sandhya is a more emotions-based designer (based on what I’ve seen and heard about her clothing concepts and how they relate to statements about culture and freedom of speech) and she seems like the needs that kind of encouragement to keep going. I have the utmost respect for her when she seemed fairly diplomatic about Carrie and Hernan on the runway saying she couldn’t choose between the two of them to go home.

          • DuBey2

            Yes. She bugs me & I think she could’ve been a lot more cooperative at beginning with the other 2, but her behavior on the runway trumps all that. I have much respect for her character now, because of that.
            Also, I thought her original (clear plastic with a cute shape & details) skirt was quite cute – but wanted them to all 3 get some cohesion going.

            • Chartreusite

              Yeah even though her initial idea was cute-ish, I think ultimately it was probably best for her to bend to them a little bit and compromise on cohesion since her ass wasn’t on the line anyway, even though her vision was probably much better than Hernan’s.

        • Laughingworld

          I agree and I think overall her behavior was still better than theirs.

      • Therese Bohn

        I wish Sandhya could have kept her original design, I think it would have been the fun that this collection was definitely lacking. I thought Hernan wrecked it for the team and should have been eliminated.

        • MoHub

          Ironic that her teammates ridiculed her for her use of the numbers and letters when Kristine was praised for doing the same thing, only without the same thematic strength.

      • robin-m

        I just watched this and my perception is that Hernan was way out of line — very patronizing toward Sandhya. There is a way to talk to people, and a way NOT to talk to people. Hernan does not seem to understand this.

    • somebody blonde

      Others have said this, but the unconventional materials challenge should absolutely not be a team challenge. I think Hernan should’ve gone home, to be honest. He was the one who made the team dynamic so awful, and he was the one who wouldn’t change his design. Honestly, if Sandhya and Carrie had kept what they originally had and just forced him to do some silver, then I think it would’ve been cohesive enough.

      • MoHub

        Absolutely. Layering a team challenge over and unconventional materials challenge—especially this early in the game—was a disservice to all the designers.

        • Qitkat

          Last week some of us discussed the idea of having no eliminations for the first two episodes, but the judges letting people know who was in the bottom, then eliminating three in the third episode based on seeing their cumulative work. This week’s challenge is perfect for that idea to test out. We would still be having lots of discussion and differences of opinion, but it would be way fairer to the designers.
          Imagine that, a fair reality show!

          • somebody blonde

            Admittedly, if we did that set up, I don’t think it would make sense to do any team challenges until after the eliminations started, just because it wouldn’t be fair to the really good designers to let them disguise the awfulness of their competition.

            • Qitkat

              I expect you’re right. And where’s the fun then?
              I guess sensible, fair competition negates fun and drama, at least in eyes of producers :(

    • busherbee

      Carrie: someone forgot to tell her life isn’t fair. Sandhya: great last week, horrible to work with. Hernan: dress was not good, but all his thoughts were right on. Tim: seemed afraid of the judges. Nina and Zach: producers directed them to amp up their characters, came off as phony, catty and unnecessary.

    • Colin

      Sandhya’s looks horrible; messy, and the color scheme is just stupid compared to the other two. I’m not sure why you thought it was the best of the 3. Are you sure you weren’t just saying that to be ‘edgy’ fashion bloggers with purposefully divergent opinions so readers are more likely to ponder your opinion as valuable? Sometimes I feel that way

    • Carriganak

      I just watched the episode, and I was pretty glad Carrie left. She definitely didn’t do much to inspire sympathy, and I don’t ever think it works to challenge the judges’ decisions to their faces. They’re never going to be convinced and rescore everything, so why bother?

      Other than that, I was surprised Amanda won. I thought Korrina had the best on her team. I never feel like any team challenges really have the most cohesive look they can. There were plenty of top looks, but no single collection works as a whole for me. It’s kind of a crapshoot.

    • Tracy_Flick

      Kittens, who do we think is going home next week? Based on either producer/story-line requirements, or actual talent?

      I think Florida Jorts is at risk because of the taste level, but I really can’t Angela having the mental strength to complete another garment. Emily should go home because she makes really garments that are ugly and unfashionable, but Hernan might go on hubris.

      • Gatto Nero

        I think that’s a fair assessment, and I agree. I might add Kini to the list.

      • Chartreusite

        Thank you so much I thought I was the only one who thought that about Emily’s work! I have such a revulsion to the two garments she sent down the runway she’s gotta be chaff this point. I think Angela might be kept a little while longer and Mitchell just for character’s sake but I do think they might get a redemption arc with Hernan cause it seemed like they were giving him a lot of focus and emphasizing how he had a vision and what-not.

        • somebody blonde

          God I hope not. I am totally unimpressed with Hernan.

          • Chartreusite

            I am too but I think production has something in mind for him. It was his vision that resulted in the garments walking the runway but he didn’t get the axe for it (not saying Carrie didn’t deserve it, she did a similar dress as she did last week only far less interested and much more poorly executed so the decision to scrap her made sense)

      • Stubenville

        Barring a catastrophe in the workroom, it will likely be someone quiet with questionable taste or skills. I’m thinking Kini or perhaps Angela.

    • Tracy_Flick

      I was impressed by all the clothes this week, because this is the first unconventional materials challenge I can recall where no one just absolutely lost it and sent a model down wearing damp kleenex or something. So bravo.

      Also, I laughed for like a week when that blogger with the lovely name said that Amanda’s dress is versatile. Yes, if you’re a prepper.

    • KT

      I agree that Amanda’s win was undeserved and came down to gluing shit on a basic dress. I actually liked Korina’s look though, and I LOVED both Samantha and Alexander’s looks (I would have picked one of them for the win).

      I like Sandya, and I think she means well, even though she didn’t handle herself as well as she could have this episode. I felt for her when her voice wasn’t being heard, and her teammates CONSTANTLY brought up how she had immunity, oftentimes as a way to dismiss her ideas. I don’t think she should have played the victim card with Tim, and I definitely disagree with her “let’s do our own thing” approach, but I respect that she stood up for herself, and I think she has good intentions. Ultimately I think there were too many cooks in this kitchen, which created a lot of resentment and miscommunication.

      And it needs to be said that Carrie is a petulant little brat, and I’m still in shock at how disrespectful and immature she was in this episode. The fact that she made an entire speech implying that Angela should have gone home instead is the definition of trashy, and only made me feel better about her getting booted. What a whiny, entitled asshole.

    • Suzanne Childers

      I was happy to see Carrie go. She was petulant and immature and displayed horrendous sportsmanship.

    • carlatheviking

      I HATED Kini’s dress. Really? I’m fat enough as it is. Making dresses to make stick insects look fat is elimination-worthy IMO. Not that wrapping myself in film is appropriate for anything other than the Anything But Clothes parties I went to as an undergrad (and man, I saw some better designs there than I have in these Unconventional Challenges!), and I think the right person was sent home. Completely disagreed about the winning team though – those ‘clothes’ are ghastly and I wouldn’t wear them if my only other option was to walk naked down the high street in Syria at midday on a Sunday.

    • cocohall

      I know that i’m in the minority, but I don’t find Amanda that annoying. She just seems in on the joke to me. She has figured out how to play the PR game and now that she has a chance for a do-over she’s taking it. I suspect she doesn’t take herself that seriously. She seemed beyond relieved to have finally won a challenge. I do find that Miss Pocohontas is already on my last nerve. As for Angela, she has confused her willingness to take a giant risk in her life with actual talent. She may be talented; but risk-taking does not automatically guarantee ability. Still, the smack down from Fraulein Heidi seemed a bit excessive. I actually gasped a little when Samantha’s dress came down the runway – it seemed the clear winner to me – but I suspect that the pop of color is what tipped the scales for the team that won. Somehow all the judges seemed to respond to that design element the most. The judging has frequently been capricious; nothing new there. Even with its many flaws, I still find the show enormously entertaining. Try playing Count the Number of Patterns Tim is Wearing or predicting which designer will be on the receiving end of The Wrath of Nina. Or when Tim will instruct the designers to use the accessories wall THOUGHTFULLY. So much fun to be had . . . . .

      • Stubenville

        I think it’s not really Amanda, but the judge and producer manipulation. It’s intrinsically unfair to praise someone for mediocre work and Amanda is disliked for benefiting from the situation.

    • Jasmaree

      Sometimes with PR I have to shrug and say “apparently I have no taste.” I did not like the winning teams’ looks at all and thought Amanda was the worst of the lot. I also thought that Sandhya’s version of Hernan’s dress was the worst of her group. I’m really not seeing whatever it is you guys are. I agree with Nina on this–it looks sloppy, unplanned and pasted on. It looks like exactly what it is–a last ditch effort to paste something similar to the other two on the dress form.

      • NMMagpie

        I think it was more of an obligatory win for the designer who was brought back. Now that is out of the way, it’s open season.

        • demidaemon

          I’m going with that plus pity win from last week to please Nina to turn down the bitch-o-meter a knob or two.

          • Stubenville

            Yea, at least take it down below DEFCON ONE.

            • demidaemon

              Agreed!

    • Emmyllou

      Thank you T & Lo, ever the voice of reason.

    • Linderella

      Quickie thoughts:
      Samantha absolutely deserved the win.
      Angela’s dress was kinda cute. Crack much, Nina?
      Though it was a bit confusing in the editing, Hernan looked to be the self-appointed leader of the group, and for this deserved the Auf.

      • Becky Simmons

        I think Hernan should have been the one to go. The judges didn’t like
        the way the group used the materials, and that technique was his idea.
        If Carrie had said that instead of insisting that someone with immunity
        should go home, she might have made it through.

        • nosniveling

          I think Hernan was kept for his drama value.

          • Stubenville

            Bingo. Bonus; indeterminate foreign accent and dead grandfather.

    • NMMagpie

      The shoes on Korina’s model are awesome.

      I too, thought Samantha’s dress deserved the win. Nina was way harsh with Sandhya; that garment is nowhere near as bad as Nina made it out to be. I would have shown both Hernan and Carrie the door. But I knew Carrie was gone the moment the editors cut to Nina’s epic bitch face as she was being challenged on the judges’ decision making.

      Although I thought Angela’s dress was nice, I have to say that girl is too thin skinned to be in this business. You can have all the talent in the world but if you cannot stand up to the criticism, this is definitely not the business for you.

    • BobStPaul

      I have the feeling we’re seeing even more producer manipulation than usual. It appears they’re trying to screw with the contestants’ minds by making it incomprehensible why the past two week’s winners won. Heidi’s comments to Angela were pretty gratuitous and appeared to be designed to put even more pressure on her. She actually seems as though she may have some designing chops but at the rate things are going she will crack before she can fully display them. One of the reasons I hate team challenges is that we usually don’t see either the very top outfit win or the very bottom one get cut. The top three for me were Samantha, Sean, and Mitchell. Mitchell did a particularly great job in the placement of the CD’s, developing a really nice graphic design. And I was glad to see that he didn’t bring any drama or cattiness to the table this week – at least that we saw. I would probably have had Sean be the winner since overall I thought that was the strongest team effort (Angela’s really wasn’t that bad). If we could base the loser on the worst designs of the first two weeks, my choice would be Emily.

    • bakingbarrister

      Mitchell looks/sounds like an actor who I can’t place. I feel like the actor I’ve seen him play a gay guy in a very chick-oriented TV show or movie. Help.

      • DollyMadisonWI

        He reminds me of Josh McKinley.

    • Jitka Pavlíková

      It was silly that all the losing team took from the judging was ‘They said Sandhya’s design was the worst, ergo it took us to the bottom as the losing team and now one of us has to go, it’s just her her her fault.’ I was rooting for Carrie since the last episode but have no complaints about her being Auf’d. Also, Amanda’s smugness and obviously pretended humbleness and nonchalantness (‘Oh, come on, judges, pick whoever’s design you liked the most for the win’) starts really bugging me. Design-wise, I couldn’t agrre more with TLo on this ep, Samantha’s dress was amazing.

    • SaveFearow

      I actually like Char’s ticket dress alot. Feminine and light, not slutty, fit the challenge criteria. Mitchell’s shape was a little basic, but the CDs made it look intriguing, the colors were nice. Kini’s fit well, I like the skirt, no time management problems. Maybe the braided bodice technique is simpler for some designers to make, but it looked to me as if it took some effort to construct.

      They were my fave group this week, no drama from them either. I am glad they are all in. I know it’s not the PR way but I wish the “middle of the road” designs could get some feedback.

      • SunDevilWitch

        They’ve seemingly moved away from “make a pretty dress” judging because Char’s was gorgeous. I can’t believe more wasn’t said about how she manipulated theater tickets!? Someone else would have been bitching at them being paper and ripping, etc., but not a word from her that we saw.

    • Judy_J

      One last observation about Amanda’s dress….it has popped up several times on my FB news feed, and it finally hit me where I’d seen that particular style before….they sell cheap sundresses for $9.99 at Walgreen’s here, and Amanda’s finished product looks like one of those dresses. Really.

    • http://www.twitter.com/allforusophia AllForUSophia

      “I am the only one here who has literally done this before”. Anyone else wanted to slap her at that point?

      • Gatto Nero

        I yelled at her and woke the cat.

        • http://www.twitter.com/allforusophia AllForUSophia

          LOL!

    • http://trufcreative.com/ monomatica

      I agree with all of your analysis. I like the polished, well-made looks much better. Samantha’s is by far the best and I’m shocked they didn’t choose that one. I also liked Sean and Char’s. And I wanted Char to win last week. I don’t understand the judging either this year. Are they getting the “crafty look” confused with “creativity” and “new ideas”? I don’t know.

      • pdquick

        I liked Char’s, too. I didn’t think it was the best, that would be either Sean or Samantha–but it was original and on point.

    • largishbearishAtlish

      Random question…how the hell did we go from Loreal to Mary Kay?? ouch.

      • ktr33

        And maybe next year the Avon Lady will be calling…

        • Stubenville

          Sherwin Williams.

          • pdquick

            Stubenville, you slay me. Again.

    • BlackbeardsWyfe

      Is it just me, or are the producers now limiting the materials choices for the Unconventional challenges? I liked it so much better when they were given $50 and turned loose at a party store or grocery market for 30 minutes. Even the time they scavenged the apartments (remember Laura’s rug/coat?) was more exciting than what we’ve seen lately. It seems lately, the producers have gone and done the shopping for them narrowing the choices of materials. I think that is why the looks have become so redundant because a single designer can’t “buy out” a material and keep his competitors from using it.

    • ktr33

      Of all the annoying shit this week, the thing that is bothering me most is that that hot green mess of duct tape Karina made was *praised*! Can someone help me understand? This was worse than Angela’s (which I think was supper-lame) but her dress put an otherwise reasonably strong team in the bottom. What gives?

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      Tardy to the party . . . because that adorable kitty to the left ate my power cord and put my computer out of commission for a while. *sigh* Anyway, this was probably the best unconventional challenge in a long time in terms of the back-story, the materials and the general concept. Green Kool-Aid must have been laced with cray-cray juice for the judges to have raved over the green and dangly winning team effort. Meh. Amanda’s winning design? Meh, again.

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    • Ellen T

      Two episodes into the season and I’m already wondering if the fashions are being designed for K-Mart because they are some of the worst designers yet. Even the “seasoned” Amanda. Hope I can make it through the season without falling asleep.

    • bingo

      I’m surprised the judges didn’t smack around Carrie a bit more–one thing they particularly do NOT like is being told that their decisions are “wrong”. The other thing they don’t like is audible sniffs of disdain. She dished out all of that, a few times, and they seemed to let it roll off of them. I’m glad she got the Auf. And I agree that it’s a bit early in the season for all of this poisonous workroom chatter by Hernan and Carrie. OK, you don’t like Sandya, got it. Move along.

    • julnyes

      I decided to give PR another chance this season, and I’m not thrilled so far, may have to drop it again before the season is over. I used to love the unconventional materials challenges, but the results used to be better. Is this because previous seasons gave the designers more time or were the other designers just better? I think back to Korto’s seat belt coat or Austin Scarlett’s corn husk dress and nothing on the runway came close to these.

      • Gatto Nero

        I think that in past conventional challenges the designers had more latitude with materials. Letting someone loose in a hardware store or supermarket offers more creative options than confining them to a few piles of moviehouse detritus. Even the car challenge (Korto’s season) offered more potentially interesting stuff.
        And in much earlier seasons the designers had more time for just about every challenge than they do now.

    • Eleanor Levie

      Tim Gunn steered them completely wrong on this one. Sandya should have stuck with her original skirt, numbers and all–which were lauded in the winning team’s costumes, made a bustier that included film, and asked Hernan and Carrie to include some bit of materials, so all was related, but not consistent, and showed their own aesthetic. Hernan could have been a supportive leader, rather than a bully.

      • pdquick

        This was almost my feeling exactly, except that I wasn’t crazy about the numbers and letters. But that skirt was clever and on theme, and the other two should have riffed on it.

    • DuBey2

      Thanks for posting, Angela. I hope you will fight to stay in the competition because some of us(like me) really think you have great talent & can’t wait to see more from you. I hope you will feel confident & bring a chic, elegant look to your designs, because that seems to be your strength.

      • angela sum

        thanks! I appreciate all your support. Its hard to watch yourself when they boxed and edited me up to a certain exaggerated character–a lot of things don’t even follow from what I experienced, its strange. I appreciate those that can see past the obvious story lines and see my good work. thx~

    • annmartina

      I never thought it would happen, but I sat down yesterday to start watching the episodes that have been on so far, and instead, decided to delete them. I’m feeling rather proud of myself today for not hanging on.

    • kaydenpat

      Sandhya’s dress looks worst in that photo than it did when I was watching the show. Just awful. I completely understand why most competitors hate team challenges.

    • http://www.bertkeeter.com Bert Keeter

      Way too early in season for the Judges to be whacked!

    • kikkik

      The straw dress reminded me of the one recently (last season?) made ou of the pipers or whatever. It was by the deaf contestant, was his name Justin?, sorry I’m not remembering the details but the dress was fabulous. I was surprised these judges didn’t say this one was a copy. Especially because Heidi raved about.

    • Nicky

      Can anyone tell me what is the difference in the enhanced version vs the regular version. I know one is half hour shorter, but don’t know which to watch!