The Walking Dead: Internment

Posted on November 11, 2013


TWD+S4E5+9

Scott Wilson in AMC’s The Walking Dead

It’s an episode that shouldn’t have worked. In fact, it really wasn’t until we sat down to write this review that we realized we didn’t hate this episode. It turned out to be, in our estimation after the fact, one of the best episodes of the show in a lot of ways; loaded with high tension, character drama, and explosive events happening in multiple locations, allowing for action sequences that felt all that much more heightened. It seems the only thing worse than an attack in this world is a two-pronged attack.

As the horde of walkers at the gate finally overwhelmed it, with only Rick and Carl to hold the mass at bay, and as the sick ward turned to a death ward, with only Herschel and Maggie keeping the dead from feasting on the dying, this was probably the biggest threat we’ve ever seen on this show, even though there were no real “bad guys” forcing the action.  Proof once again that this zombie apocalypse scenario works best as a story of struggle rather than a story of warring tribes in the apocalypse (which is why that last shot of the episode was such a disappointment to us).

But it has to be said that a great deal of the tension – and even the cause of some deaths – came down to the characters doing not-so-smart things. We didn’t get into this in last week’s review, but Herschel made a really great point last week about knowing that you’re going to die in this world means the only decision left to you is what you’re going to die for. It seemed like a way for the writers to tell the audience that they have to accept the sometimes-extreme or even nonsensical actions of the characters. We can all talk about what we would do in the apocalypse and how we’d do it so much better than those losers, but in the end, you can’t predict what fear, exhaustion, starvation, and a mountain of death outside your door every day is going to do to your decision-making skills. But as much as we try to be open-minded, we can’t come up with one plausible explanation as to why that flimsy fence wasn’t completely fortified by now, nor can we come up with a reason as to why they let so many walkers accumulate outside the prison. It’s hard work to kill them all, but it can be done, as Rick and Carl ably proved in some fucked-up father-son bonding time. And sure, Herschel can talk about wanting to hold on to the human side of things, but it makes no sense not to immediately plunge a knife into the skull of every person upon death. Failing to do so is a form of sentimentalism that just doesn’t fly for these people, at this stage in the game. And why is keeping sick people in their cells such a hard thing to do? SHUT THE DOORS.

Sorry. We had to have that moment of nerdrage. Despite the dumbness on display, we were on the hook for pretty much the entire hour, helped in no small part by some great performances. In the end, there was a sort of bleak triumph to it all, although it remains to be seen just how victorious the group has been. Rick mentioned that things wouldn’t be the same after this, but we honestly don’t know what that means. We just know that we like seeing this kind of struggle for survival. We groaned out loud in disappointment when the Governor came into view.

In other news, Everyone agrees with Rick about Carol because he’s just the dreamiest. We hope Daryl breaks his jaw. Also: Carl pretty  much went through his puberty rite and is now a man. Just let him keep the gun, Rick. He’s better with it than 90% of the group and he seems to be one of the few with his head screwed on straight.

 

    • jtabz

      In other news, Everyone agrees with Rick about Carol because he’s just the dreamiest. We hope Daryl breaks his jaw.

      THIS. Maybe he’ll follow after her and the two will have the best spinoff ever.

      • NYCGlamourpuss

        I disagree, and not just because Rick is the dreamiest, because – duh! (LOL!) No seriously – I disagree because well, Carol’s a whole different enchilada these days. S3 Carol of the Awesomeness is completely different from S4 Carol, the new head of the Corleone Family. Having had a week to reflect on things from last week to this week – nope, I sure wouldn’t have wanted her among the prison population taking matters into her own hands. It wasn’t a pleasant decision, but I think that Rick did do what he had to do.

        • Sobaika

          I think we’re in the minority on this one. I love Carol as a character but I would’ve driven her away from the camp myself. Or probably just turned her over to the council and made her actions public, Tyrese be damned.

          A lot of people seem to think its hypocritical of Rick (which is a fair point) but doesn’t make change what she did. And yeah, fans would feel a whole lot different if she’d killed Glenn and Beth instead of two ransoms.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            I can understand the practical and emotional reasons for banishing Carol, but Rick essentially took a moralistic approach with her and that’s what really pissed us off.

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              True, but one of the things they pointed out on – I think it was – the Talking Dead last night was how your decision making and emotions can change on a dime in a ZA. No, let’s trust no one. Yes, let’s trust everyone. Yes, let’s do this. No, let’s do that. I’d think that in a situation like this, a person’s moral code can go up and down like a see-saw as to what the right decision might be. So I can give him some leeway.

            • MilaXX

              Why does Carol not get this luxury? Not a single on of the council members has not made a mistake or shown bad judgement. Carol does and it’s out you go!?

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              I think the difference is not that no one else there has ever made a bad judgement call, because of course they have. Society is out the window now, it’s bad judgement calls all around. The difference is that no one ever murdered two innocent members of their crew. Rick killed Shane in self defense, but that’s about the closest anyone has come to it. I do think there are going to be repercussions both ways, both for what Carol did and for what Rick did in response. But that’s the difference – she offed two of their own.

            • MilaXX

              Carl shot the Woodbury kid they were taking in, effectively making him one of their own.

            • lynde1038

              No, at the time Carl killed that kid, he was an enemy combatant. Yes, he was fleeing and possibly surrendering his weapon, but he had been at the prison with the intent to kill people mere moments before. They didn’t even decide to take in the Woodbury folk until well after that. Karen and David, on the other hand, had been living as part of the community for awhile. Karen, for at least 6 months (I don’t know how long “David, from the Decatur group” had been there). I can see the remaining community members viewing what Carol did as very different than what Carl did.

              I think the thing that comes closest is Rick and Herschel briefly being willing to turn Michonne over to the Governor to protect their kids. She was an ally and had earned her place in the group, and they considered allowing her to be tortured and murdered to protect the larger group. But they ultimately realized that was a terrible choice and couldn’t go through with it (albeit a little to late to stop Merle from heading out with her).

            • HobbitGirl

              What pissed me off is that it’s right back to the Ricktatorship. S4 Carol freaks me out, in a good way, and I wouldn’t want to keep her around either. But bring her back to the council and tell them what happened. Let them make the decision. Rick keeps saying he doesn’t want responsibility, but then he’ll make unilateral huge decisions like banishing Carol. Grrr.

            • Nicole

              It’s a ‘Ricktatorship’ because that’s what these people want. They want Rick to be their leader even when he doesn’t have the will/desire to do it. The Council seemed to be set up as intermittent leadership while they waited for Rick to get over his grief and get back into the game. Daryl told Rick that he needed time and they’re waiting for him to come back. Carol said the same thing. The only problem is that she got ‘screwed’ by her own advice ( I personally think Rick did the right thing and she needed to go) and he made a leadership decision that got her sent away from the group.

            • MilaXX

              YES! All the pearl clutching and “I can’t have you around my kids”. PLEASE! Your kids have seen you bat shit crazy chasing ghost.

          • tereliz

            “Or probably just turned her over to the council and made her actions public, Tyrese be damned.”

            This is what I had a problem with. I don’t agree with Carol’s decision, but neither do I agree with Rick’s to drive her away.

            Rick can’t just decide what’s good for the group when he feels like it. I don’t buy that his actions were because he was worried about what Tyrese would do to Carol. That would have simply been another issue the Council would have had to work out. Together. Like people who trust each other. I guess the problem is that with all these newbies to take care of, trust is running thin. But it doesn’t excuse Carol or Rick taking actions without consulting the others in the group who have agreed to take on the responsibility of rulership. A responsibility that others seem to want Rick to help them with. But as a member of a team, not the leader of the Ricktatorship.

          • MilaXX

            If he had turned her over to the council and made her action public I might not like it, but I wouldn’t out and out hate it they way i do Rick making the decision solo.

        • MilaXX

          How come Rick gets applauded for occasionally pulling his head out of the sand and “doing what he had to do.” but Carol does not. I still do not understand why seemingly everyone except Carol is worthy of a second chance. No others talking to her about why she did what she did. If it was folks we knew, characters I was invested in, I’d feel the same way. If this had gone to council, I might feel differently, but as one more action in the (now) unofficial Ricktatorship? NOPE, not buying it for one second.

          • Mismarker

            I could see both sides of the argument in last week’s episode and wasn’t totally behind Rick’s decision. I get it where the story is going but it was a pretty ham handed way to sell the whole “Rick is ready to be leader again” thing.

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              Yeah, I think it was less Rick’s fault than the writers’ fault!

            • MilaXX

              and yet he’s not because he once again, want to push off the difficult things like telling Darryl what he did in, & goes play farmer again. If he actually walked the walk a bit more I might like Rick, but every time he does something like that, I dislike him more.

            • Mismarker

              I didn’t say he was ready. I think the people who make this show want us to believe he’s ready. I’m not sure why he even needs to be the leader. Just because he is in the comic? Because he was an officer of the law? I’m not saying get rid of Rick, just put him on the council.

            • MilaXX

              That’s the problem. This incarnation of Rick seems to want it both ways. He want to choose not to be on the council, and yet still be free to make unilateral decisions when he feels it’s needed. I agree the show is trying to sell us Rick as the leader, but his actions don’t warrant it.

            • Mismarker

              Right. I’m looking forward to seeing how we are going to be further convinced he’s ready, willing, and the right person for the job! Showing him mowing down those walkers with Carl was a first step? Maybe.

            • Nicole

              Everyone has said multiple times that he’s the right person to lead. They seem him as their leader even when he’s talking to visions and farming without his gun. He’s their leader because they said so, not because Rick is forcing it.

            • Mismarker

              But what about him makes him the right person to lead? That was my question. There is a disconnect in the storytelling when we are seeing everyone at the prison clamor for him to step up as a leader while we as an audience are like, “What? That guy is a flake and I’m 100% sure he should NOT be the leader of this group.”

            • lynde1038

              I think the reason the others keep looking to Rick for leadership is because he did pretty well by them during those 7 months of the ‘Ricktatorship’ that we didn’t see between Seasons 2 and 3. He made the tough calls and kept them going all that time. “You carried us,” is what Herschel told him after Lori died. They learned how to be tough and stronger under his leadership, and they made it “a lot further than Shane could have gotten us” per Carol in the S3 premiere (or something close to that).

              We just get to see the few months where the poop is really hitting the fan and some questionable or poor choices are being made. But the core group has spent a lot more time with Rick as their leader, and it seems reasonable that they would look to him again to participate in a leadership role now that he’s had time to heal and regain some mental stability.

            • MilaXX

              Then that’s a write’s error. You can’t expect an audience to float all their beliefs on something that occurred entirely off screen. Something needs to happen on screen to verify that.

            • MilaXX

              but he does when he steps in a makes decisions entirely on his own. Unless he’s a special kind of stupid he has to be aware that only reinforces his leadership role.

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              But he’s not. He stepped back from all decision making. He wasn’t in charge anymore, and he wasn’t on the council. Nor did he ask to be – everyone else asked him to come back into the fold in some sort of leadership role. I get what you’re saying but he didn’t arrive at this decision all by himself.

            • MilaXX

              The minute he decided to be judge and jury with Carol he did.

        • jtabz

          Carol Corleone has a ring to it, no?

          What Carol did was chilling, but, if we’re to take her account seriously, she did it at least in part because, yet again, Rick was being a cruddy leader. Whether or not she made the right decision (and I’m not convinced she did by a long shot), Rick did much to create an environment in which she felt she had to do what she did.

          It’s kinda like Shane, in a way. Rick was being ridic, Shane went all Taxi Driver, and then Rick had to get rid of the monster he created. Not that I think Carol is Shane-level unhinged — just that looks to me like the same pattern, where Rick’s leadership leaves these huge gaps that others try to fill in order to improve the group’s chances of survival, and then when they cross a line Rick doesn’t see his role in their decisions.

          • Sobaika

            How did he create an environment where she had to kill them? Hasn’t Rick’s main storyline been him (supposedly) shying away from leadership? The council, which Carol was a part of, had been calling the shots. The only one responsible for Carol’s decision was Carol, and I think she would agree.

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              Precisely. Rick wasn’t even in charge when she made her decision to off two not-yet-dead members of their community. Then they all ask him to come back into a leadership role, and the first thing he does is make a very tough decision that many may not have wanted to make. As Maggie put it, “I wouldn’t have wanted to make that decision. But I wouldn’t have wanted to bring her back.” It’s not so easy to make the descision – or, to be fair, to agree with it. It’s very very easy to not want to get your hands dirty and then criticize the person who did.

            • jtabz

              I do see what you both are saying, but I guess I don’t think that the group has ever seen Rick as anything other than its leader, council or no, and that that perception complicates his attempts to shy away from leadership. I also think Carol thought she was making a tough decision for the good of the group, one it was clear she didn’t relish making, much like Rick did last week in leaving her. Regardless of whether or not he made the right decision and she made the wrong one, his failure to acknowledge the parallel (or the writers’ failure to adequately illustrate to me that he acknowledges it) frustrates me.

            • MilaXX

              Apparently they had the ambu bags and intubation kits. The teams that went to the Vet school weren’t back yet. They knew they were literally drowning in their own blood. Other than put them in isolation, they did nothing for them. If they had hopes of saving them, why not intubate and nurse them with fluid? Either they were too far gone or the writer’s just made a pretty big plot error. Yet another annoyingly stupid move. They don’t remember they have these supplies until major characters need them?

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              That’s true too – that could have been a glaring error on the part of the writers. My only guess could be that at that stage of their illness, Karen and David weren’t as far gone before Carol made her move? Coughing and fever? I don’t know. Intubating them seems like a big step to be taken (which, I have no medical knowledge, so I could be wrong), so maybe the other folks were further along in their stages of the illness than Karen and David would have been had they lived. But then again Patrick died pretty much immediately when he conked out in the showers. So I dunno, your guess is as good as mine! But it could have just been slippery writing errors.

            • MilaXX

              As I mentioned with the comment about the ambu bags, they were said to be drowning on their own blood. That’s pretty far along. You either clear the airway or you die.

    • Mismarker

      The Governor is back just in time for spaghetti Tuesdays! And, yes, SHUT THE DOORS.

      Loved this episode. Loved it. What a great showcase for Scott Wilson’s quiet grace as Hershel. Not happy to see the Governor return but I predict his reappearance will lead to the final takedown of the already deteriorating security setup at the prison. I am ready to see the group on the run again (though this would possibly mean the end of Hershel?), meeting up with some new people and running into Carol??

      Glad to see Rick telling people the truth re: Carol and it was nice to see some realistic reactions to the news. I’m betting Hershel was counting on Carol to assist him in the quarantine cellblock. Sorry, old man. This is all on you now and, at the end of it, all you are going to be able to do is question your faith and sob.

      Does anyone else think next week’s episode is going to be a “and here’s what the Governor’s been doing for the past 6 months…” retroactive situation? I’m loving what’s happening at the prison right now and won’t like spending a whole hour away from it.

      Am finding this season so far to be the best yet. Can’t wait to see what happens next!

      • Shelley

        OMG….I just laughed out loud and spat water out my nose. He must’ve heard about spaghetti Tuesdays….classic.

        • Mismarker

          I love it, too. Actually, a friend said that earlier this morning and I thought it might bring some levity to the TLo WD forum. I know Hershel was joking but I’d like to think that now they have some tomatoes they could totally have spaghetti Tuesday.

          • Shelley

            Spaghetti Tuesday on Wednesday! Way to keep it real, Hershel. :-)

    • NYCGlamourpuss

      Please tell me I wasn’t the only one humming the theme from “The Courtship of Eddie’s Father” when Rick and Carl were blowing away zombies together.

      • Shelley

        Actually, I heard the whistle song from the start of the Andy Griffith show. And then funny enough, someone on the Talking Dead said the same thing and started whistling it, but he was told to stop because the show would have to pay royalties if he kept going. ;-)

        • NYCGlamourpuss

          Yeah, I loved that they were whistling the theme from “The Andy Griffith Show” on the TD! Both would be good scenarios. I actually stole my “Courtship of Eddie’s Father” idea a little bit. Some years back, there was an ad for the latest season of “The Sopranos” being released on DVD, and the release date was right around Father’s Day. So the ad showed all the various scenes of Tony Soprano slapping and hitting his son (I forget the kid’s name) spliced together, all to the tune of “The Courtship of Eddie’s Father”. For a commercial about a father hitting his kid repeatedly, the song made it hilarious. Then they ended it with “Happy Father’s Day from The Sopranos.”

    • section 34

      This show is always at its best when its ambitions are the smallest. Zombie action, it does well.

      Maybe the showrunners should just accept that and have the larger plot play a smaller role in the weekly breakdown of scenes.

    • tereliz

      High drama and high death-count aside, I was a little disappointed with the way the episode ended, too. And while I get that starvation and exhaustion and lack of hope will affect your decision-making skills, I thought a lot of what happened could have been avoided if people weren’t still blindly clinging to sentimentality and “the way things used to be”.

      But aside from Maggie and Hershel risking their lives for Glen and the other sick people, respectively, I noticed that a lot of it is the newcomers (and Rick. Always Rick). While they brought hope in the form of greater numbers, they’re not ready for this kind of life. Like the guy in the cell who wouldn’t let Herschel check on his obviously dead friend. THAT KILLED HIM. I think the Woodburyites and the way they were living a life so removed from the way Rick and Co were living is hurting the whole group. They haven’t processed that dead means Walkers/Biters and the most merciful thing for all of you is to put them out of their misery.
      *sigh* I miss Carol.

      Oh, and I thought it was smart to have a cache of weapons outside the prison somewhere, but WTF with the guns and ammo all piled up in what looked like laundry bins open to the elements? The scene where Rick throws Carl a new clip and it’s all slow and dramatic made me LOL.

      • Mismarker

        “I think the Woodburyites and the way they were living a life so removed from the way Rick and Co were living is hurting the whole group.”

        Agreed. Thankfully, almost all are dead now. ;o

        • KELLEYKAT

          Seriously, I was just trying to figure if there were any that survived besides, Tyrese, Bob, Sasha and Lizzie.

          • harlowish

            I was doing the calculations last night, based on what the showrunner said and how many we’ve seen (or heard of) dying, and I think there are only about twenty people total left, including the main cast.

    • Sobaika

      I agree that the episode was well done – the actors for Maggie and Herschel gave it their all in particular – but the more I think about it in the harsh light of day the less I can fathom. Some thoughts:

      So while all this was going down, Beth & co were chewing on some fruit leathers?
      Carl and Rick took out HOW MANY zombies? For real?
      Lizzie is ultra annoying, mostly because she’s pretty inconsistent. One minute she’s a child soldier in the zombie apocalypse, the next she thinks they’re puppies who will remember their old friends.
      All hail Mephistopheles and his one leg. Apparently every single character is useless aside from the actors with first billing.
      A part of me gets why Herschel made the choices he did. He doesn’t want to be Carol. He doesn’t want to raise a child army with dead souls. It may not be practical or even particularly effective, but the difference means something to him. I get it.

      • The Hedonist

        I thought the same thing about the fence. Couldn’t they do what Morgan did with all the booby traps? heh heh, I said Booby

      • Angela_the_Librarian

        OMG…the fruit leather. Of all the things to worry about..make sure you brush your teeth!

        • Mismarker

          I thought that was a dumb line, too. This killer flu is nothing compared to poor dental care!

          • HobbitGirl

            It’s not as dumb as you’d think. Before the days of proper dental hygiene, people could and did die from mouth infections and abscesses. Sure, your own mouth killing you is less dramatic than a zombie mouth killing you, but it’s a tiny thing they can control. It made sense to me.

            • Mismarker

              I am aware of the importance of good dental care but I thought it was funny to include that line. Like the writer decided on fruit leather just so Rick could say something about brushing teeth? It was just a weird, unexpected choice.

            • Angela_the_Librarian

              Yeah, it wasn’t so much that bad hygiene couldn’t be dangerous, but the line itself was really awkward. He probably should have told Carl to wash his hands too!

            • Mismarker

              Yes! Thank you. That is exactly why it struck me as so weird. If we’re going to hit home the importance of dental hygiene, let’s also focus on the single best way to prevent the spread of germs: hand washing.

            • NYCGlamourpuss

              I was on a Habitat for Humanity build down in Mexico about nine years back, and in addition to “Only drink bottled water”, we were warned not to eat any fruit or veggies we hadn’t peeled or eaten ourselves. It kind of reminded me of that.

          • Sobaika

            I took it as a piece of world-building (how they’re dealing with small day-to-day stuff in a Walmart-free world) but it was an awkward and funny line given the rest of the tension in the episode.

    • MilaXX

      Action filled as this episode was, it didn’t work for me. I need just a little less stupid from these folks. Case in point, the damned fence!You mean to tell me after last week’s breach NO ONE said, “let’s reinforce the rest of the fencing.” Also? SHUT THE DOORS! Honestly, how hard is that. And while it was awesome to see Rick & Carl’s bonding moment, all I could think about was why their arsenal appears to be kept outside. even the teaser at the end wasn’t a surprise. I mean who didn’t foresee the Governor coming back, or think he had something to do with the walkers on the fence? Then we had the giant anvil from last week of Michoinne saying she was giving up looking for him. Perhaps because I am #TeamCarol, but I didn’t really see Maggie agreeing Rick was right. I saw Rick sort of cox an agreement from her. “You would have done the same thing, right?” Maggie – “I wouldn’t have want to make that decision.” But the true want to punch him in the face moment was when Rick decided he’d rather go pretend to be a farmer again rather that face Darryl and tell him what he did.

      ETA: And Bob is probably a spy for the Governor.

      • jtabz

        Tell Daryl … or shuck peas?

        I may have yelled at my television.

        • Mismarker

          I think he knows the shit storm coming his way.

          • NYCGlamourpuss

            Yeah, this.

          • jtabz

            He certainly does … I didn’t want to have to wait another week to see it, though!

            • Mismarker

              Haha! Me either but I can see why this discussion is being saved for another episode. I’m tuning in for that. Not whatever they want to show me of the Governor.

        • NYCGlamourpuss

          Well, I’m the type of person who does just want to get unpleasant things over with quickly. But that’s not everyone. I can understand Rick trying to delay something unpleasant after Daryl just got back from an unpleasant task.

        • Ashley Stacey

          I don’t know, I think after a night like they had, the next morning I would want a few more minutes of peace with my kid before I had that conversation….

      • NYCGlamourpuss

        I know I know I know!!! After they showed The Governor, I was like, “Get all your guns and ammo inside!!!”

        • Mismarker

          Thank God the zombies can fire guns. Or can they? We saw in this episode they can clearly CLIMB STAIRS. wtf.

          • NYCGlamourpuss

            But since the theme has been that the living are more dangerous than the zombies, they have to know that whether it’s the Governor or other possible opposing forces, they shouldn’t be leaving their only emergency weapon stash outside. That was a dumb move – they could be cleaned out overnight.

            • Mismarker

              And it’s not like we’ve ever seen those weapons there before. For the purposes of this episode they needed to have those guns somewhere easily accessible to Carl and Rick. In the real world, no, it does not make sense.

    • Brad Pitt

      Not nearly enough Daryl in this episode.

    • Tom Ford

      I nominate Maggie as the Lara Croft of the zombie apocalypse! Since when did she turn into such a complete badass?

      • Mismarker

        Last season. Episode 1. Badass.

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      There were two scenes that made me audibly groan last night: 1)Hershel leading an approaching zombie to another room before shooting him. Sorry, but those kids have probably seen hundreds of zombies killed by this point (many of which were family and friends). That was just utter stupidity; 2)The end scene where Rick and Carl were splitting beans from a pod..they’re two peas in a pod..get it??

      Despite these moments I did find this episode to be one of the better ones this season. It seems like Rick is finally in action mode, so perhaps some things will finally get done (someone will have to step up now that Carol has been exiled). I think that Maggie may have agreed with Rick in the moment because she was distracted with worry about Hershel and Glenn. It will be interesting to see Daryl’s reaction (I’m guessing he might head out right away on his motorcycle to find her after engaging in fisticuff with Rick).

      I was expecting to see the Governor at some point this season, but not so early on. I think there has been speculation over whether he may have been the rat feeder, but I think that may be farfetched for him to sneak into the prison to do that (he could just place the rats along the perimeter). The only reason why I would want him to re-appear at all is so that Michonne can deal with him.

      Sorry this is so long, but I also just wanted to give a brief shout out to the developers of the Walking Dead game. I just finished Season 1 and it had me in tears at the end. I think they might need to bring writers from the video game over to the show!

      • songstarliner

        Man, you are going to love that game. I played through all the chapters really quickly, then set it down and waited for like weeks and weeks to finish it because I didn’t want it to be over. I was genuinely invested in the characters and felt sad and scared for them – unlike the tv show!

        • Angela_the_Librarian

          I finished the first season and am eagerly waiting for the second season to be released. Lee and Clementine are better characters than most on the show!

      • czelinka

        What is this game?? I’m dying for gift ideas for my Walking Dead obsessed children…

        • Angela_the_Librarian

          I’m not sure if I can post the link, so just Google Walking Dead- TellTale Games (Season 1). The “Game of the Year” edition includes all of the episodes of season 1 along with a bonus level. There is quite a bit of swearing, so if that is an issue you may want to skip it.

    • http://www.tumblr.com/tumblelog/lastbutnotleast janinedm

      On the fence. I think what was happening prior was that they had 40-50 healthy people going out every day and killing whatever zombies pressed against the fence, keeping the force against the fence at manageable levels. This was no substitute for a fortified fence, but they never allowed themselves to think of what happens if the majority of them were incapacitated and unable to “tidy things up” at the fence every day.

      Onto Carol. I don’t know if everyone would agree with Rick just because. Specifically Maggie and Herschel would, though. Maggie would because Glenn. If Carol had seen Glenn in this episode, he’d be dead. Herschel would also be unwilling to give up on a patient until after they were very dead (as we’ve seen).

      Moreover, the more I think about it, the more I personally agree with Rick. When we look back on the earliest European settlers, who had to fight the land and were surrounded by (justifiably) hostile enemies and were cut off from society and civilization and arguably on high alert 24/7, do we judge their actions as not being subject to any morality because danger? Or look at how history judges the Donner Party. Danger isn’t a free pass to most people.

    • Raven

      this was a good episode because rick was in the background pretty much until the part with carl and even then carl was doing most of the work.

      im still annoyed at rick’s decision to banish carol because he constantly needs to bring up tyrese. if he’s that afraid of tyrese, he should probably be banishing him too. i mean if you think he’s that much of a threat… what happens if someone makes him mad again?

      i get why he thought he had to, buuut if she was there a good chunk of things wouldn’t have happened. she would have probably dragged that dumbass out of his friend’s stall by his ear. this whole carol will kill you if you sniffle thing is a bit much. she may have killed those two prematurely, she may have not. but if she was there now i don’t doubt that she’d wait until they were gone to off them. on top of it all she knew a lot of handy medical things.

      bluh.

      also ha, yea. eating peas to put off talking to daryl. he better get mad! i feel like they put in the flirty michonne/daryl part in the last episode to ease the pain of carol leaving which annoyed me. daryl and carol are so great in scenes together. i need him to get hella mad so i can live through him :(

      • jjtxgrrl

        Well said!! I totally agree on all your points!

    • thrillckr

      I’m wondering if closing the cell doors would keep those that turned in check. The prison probably had updated electronic locks on the cells and would be useless without electricity. Wouldn’t a zombie eventually (with enough ramming up against it) get the door open?

      • Ashley Stacey

        I think the reason most people want them to close the cell doors, even if they don’t lock, is that, yes a walker might be able to open it eventually, but having them closed would hopefully buy you enough time to discover they turned.

      • MilaXX

        Haven;t they been shown locking cell doors with manual keys? I would think even a modern prison would have manual overrides and physical keys.

    • Inspector_Gidget

      Best episode of the season thus far. I didn’t hate any of the scenes! Yay! I have to say, though, I’m glad the plague storyline seems to be wrapping up, because I think they’ve milked it for all it’s worth. Not really looking forward to more mustache twirling from the Governor.

    • Nonmercisansfacon

      Forget about Daryl, Herschel, even with Ned Stark-like stupid decision-making, has become the humanist badass of the prison! In such a bleak universe, it was nice to see that kind of behavior. And more Sasha please.

      Cannot wait for the confrontation between Rick and Daryl. I know why they didn’t want to get to it in this already-packed episode but really, it’s kind of stupid. Should we really accept that Daryl would be satisfied with a “Talk to Rick” when asked about Carol? I kind of understand why Maggie and Herschel would be ok with the banishment. Herschel because of who he is (a man who risked his own life to help care for the others and go to really stupid lenght to keep their hopes up) and Maggie because she could easily see a scenario in which Carol would have killed Glenn if he was one of the first to get killed instead of Karen and what’s-his-name. But Daryl? That’s not going to fly.

      I would have actually prefered the type of conflict that would have arisen if Rick had told the council, which would have been divided on the issue (Herschel and Sasha,against, Glenn undecided and Carol of course on the other side). Tyrese’s fury, the rest of the prison’s mistrust of Carol (especially the Woodbury members who could not help wonder if Carol would have dared kill a member of her core group- say Maggie, Carl, Daryl- in the same circumstances), Daryl’s defense of her, Rick’s opposition to her, Carl secretly fantasizing about what a cold-blooded killer Carol has become, Michonne realizing she would be better off on the road with 2 chained zombies that with those crazy people, all good TV drama!

    • Mismarker

      What is Lizzie’s purpose in this story? Everything we’ve seen of her is messed up (fascination with bloody vomit for starters) and I don’t get where it’s going.

      • jjtxgrrl

        Thank you. This is exactly what I was thinking.

        • Mismarker

          You can often telegraph where certain story lines are going and I just can’t with her (and also, after this episode, I *just can’t with her*). I know there are still some who believe Lizzie is the one who killed Karen and David but I don’t think Carol would cover for her, then let her into the quarantine cellblock, then just fall on her sword and accept banishment without giving Rick a heads up along the lines of “Watch out for Lizzie. She’s crazy times.”

      • MilaXX

        Of it turns out to be some stupid level Sophia is in the barn mess I’ll be really pissed.

    • DinahR

      Ah, Rick. Rick has only given this information about Carol to the two people most likely to support him. The people who at their core are so against killing, and have so much faith that things will work out, that they harbored walkers in their barn. It’s pretty easy to see these two characters would not support someone actively killing someone close to death to keep the disease from spreading. Hershel especially is always speaking to Rick about keeping faith and humanity, and Maggie is on board with the same ideals, so I think it’s no surprise these are the first people Rick informs as he avoids Daryl for some emergency pea pod inspections.

      But what I’m wondering is… after the melt-down in the death chamber/sick ward, does this change how anyone would view Carol’s actions? Because it is easy to see killing fatally sick people before before they are truly dead is wrong – that’s a clear moral line for us. But the reality of it for these characters is that when those patients die and you are unaware, or they die en masse, it’s a huge issue for everyone. That’s exactly what happened, and it was extremely foreseeable after the first kid died. Carol acted from that perspective, not to be cruel or inhuman. Even Herschel said burning the bodies was the only way. That prison was almost over run by the zombies of their own dead, not the ones outside the fences (yet).

      Glen will be an interesting opinion along with Daryl. Yes Glen was one of the sick ones BUT Glen also almost got bitten by one of the zombies of the sick ward too. He exhausted himself trying to keep alive a doomed patient that ended up dying anyway, turning and almost killing him. Herschel (whom I really like as a char and actor) really represents being too far in the opposite direction of Carol’s actions, I think.

    • Darren Nesbitt

      It seems that Michonne and Daryl always miss these zombie attacks. They cut down zombies with grace. Also what about cars? I feel like almost every council member has a Hyundai, why have they never thought to 1) Mow down the fence walkers with vehicles. or 2) build a barricade that stops the walkers from building up against the fence. Place a few station wagons in a zig zag outside the fence. . . problem slightly solved.

    • Alexis Boucher

      After the episode was finished, I realized how long it had been since this show got my heart pounding and had me totally engrossed in what was going on. I even went all shouting at the screen when Herschel and Sasha were having a heart to heart WHEN THERE WAS A ZOMBIE IN THE DAMN CELL BLOCK AND THEIR DOOR IS OPEN.
      Pretty much verbatim recounting of my reaction. Also, Herschel locked the 2 kids in their cell and a few minutes later, Lizzie is there rubbing her boot in Glen’s blood.
      Good point on Talking Dead last night from Adam Savage: there’s bound to be some sort of workshop/repair area at the prison. Why not look for welding equipment and do some sort of metal reinforcement on the fence? Or just dig a big trench since the walkers have issues climbing.

      • tereliz

        I feel like a broken record every episode wondering why they didn’t dig a moat during those halcyon days when they had extra hands to make light work, before the plague began.

        Adam S. is lucky enough to have the knowhow to use a welding torch, but the folks at the prison might not have anyone still alive with that sort of training. Which brings up another good point—you’d think that during that time they would have figured out what skills everyone had and then started to teach others “on the job”.

        • Alexis Boucher

          Exactly. A little conversation of “Hi, what did you do before the world went to hell?” might be a good one to have.
          Showing the day to day aspects of fortification might not make for great tv, but they have the big doors at the front gate. They put together the wood spike barricades. Clearly there was effort there. One would think that would carry on to other parts of the walls/fences.
          Of course, the fences coming down are probably just a story device about how the walkers can’t be kept out. But I thought people dying and turning inside the prison did the same thing.

      • MilaXX

        Even the short term solution of the wooden stakes makes more sense than just going back to poking at walkers on the fence.

        • Alexis Boucher

          Yup. But they waited this long to put in the stakes. I get that food and water take precedence, but keeping out the flesh eating undead is also high on the list of needs.

    • mjude

      I thought last night was really a great episode. so many things are going to change. Herschel at the end with the bible he couldn’t even read, i cried along with him. i thought for a moment Glen was dead & i was not ready for that. i cant imagine what the reaction will be when Rick tells the gang about Carol. I get his point but i was not ready for her to be gone. i hope the governor’s appearance with be swift & that Machonne gets her way.

    • jjtxgrrl

      I’m curious to see how the reintroduction of the governor goes down. He obviously would have access to their weapons stash, since we saw that its just out in the open for anyone to pick through. He could also get in through any of the open spots in the fencing that we’ve seen Carol and Rick have climbed through. Its really just too easy for him. Thats just dumb, when everyone knows he is still trolling around somewhere!!?

      I’m team Carol…..and as much as I hated her exit….I Hope the writers don’t go for the easy obvious cheesy storyline solution of “badass Carol” jumping in at the perfect moment and kill him. Yawn. Too obvious.

      The WD seasons seem to be less and less logical…I just hope it doesn’t get to the point of eye-rolling rediculous. Writers- please dont take us there anymore. Walking dead viewers are SMART….please dont insult our intelligence anymore!!!

    • martha

      The storyline and character development in this show is so WTF that I don’t even pay attention to it. The make-up/special effects are the only reason I keep watching!

    • Brent Wolgamott

      I agree with your assessment nearly 100%. I also groaned with the shot of the Governor. I also think it was not logical, in this universe of the Walking Dead, for Herschel NOT to plunge a knife QUICKLY into the heads of anyone who passes. Truthfully, Herschel, as much as I like the character, should have been killed for the stupid decisions he made this episode. Seriously, were they slacking that bad, that they didn’t do their rounds and notice that not one, not two, not three but FOUR of their ‘people’ had enough time to die AND turn AND get up and start attacking. It’s also ridiculous that all the cell doors weren’t closed. The doctor knew he was at end stage, and Herschel still didn’t let him take his life — just something that shouldn’t happen with these people. They KNOW the threat that dying people pose.

      I AM heartened to an extent — I read David Morrissey’s interview — and it doesn’t seem like the Governor is a mustache twirling asshole. He said the Guv appears to be a bit broken and needy. Not so vengeful. Time will tell if that’s true. I do think the show is making a miscalculation – I think Kirkman and Friends think that the fans LOVE the Governor, and can’t wait to see what he does to the group. From a TV standpoint, I do not think most people want to see him again, or even CARE about him. Everyone (most everyone) was pissed last season when the Gov didn’t die.

      Lastly, you are spot-on on your take on Carol vs. Rick — they all just accepted Rick’s decision and….why?????? Cause he’s dreamy Cause Rick’s always right???? I felt cheated that we didn’t get to see more flak against Rick. Carol was RIGHT. Those people were already drowning in their blood, and were going to pose a threat to the group. People that got sick WAY after them died. How the f-ck were David and Karen going to live? Carol made the right call. And if she didn’t, the group should have questioned it. All we got was Rick saying “do you think I made the right call?” Maggie “Yes”. BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!! Pathetic.