Friday T LOunge

Posted on November 01, 2013

The Ladies Lounge at The G Hotel in Ireland

 

Kittens, we are CRAWLING to the finish line this week. It’s been a rough one and now we’re getting sore throats and lingering coughs a week out from our wedding reception. We will be living on hot tea, cough drops and vitamin supplements for the next several days, so if you don’t mind, we’d like to crash the Ladies Lounge tonight and unwind a little before we dive under the covers for the weekend.

Aside from that, we have no news. We’re getting our new couch delivered on Wednesday and we’re ridiculously excited about it, but have some lingering fears that getting it up the stairs and into our loft may wind up being impossible. Pray for us. Because we love this couch like chocolate.

Anybody catch Sundance’s airing of the French supernatural drama, The Returned last night? It’s Twin Peaks-y! We’re not quite hooked yet, but we’re intrigued.  Also, we’re mainlining 30 Rock on Netflix because we only ever caught the show sporadically when it was on the air. It’s oddly comforting to sit on the couch and cycle through one 22-minute episode after another.

Don’t forget to come back to the Lounge over the weekend to watch all your favorite shows with your fellow Bitter Kittens, from Once Upon a Time, to Revenge, to The Walking Dead, to Masters of Sex and whatever else you feel like livebitching.

What’s new with y’all? What happened on Project Runway All-Stars last night?

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  • mjude

    take care of yourself boys!
    I am so disappointed, I thought I was going to be able to watch the returned. :(
    who watched PR Allstars last night. WTF was Isacc talking about when he was arguing about avante garde with Jeffrey?

    • Rhonda Shore

      Hope you feel better! Sleeping and drinking lots of water really help! Jeffrey’s creation was really ridiculous, it barely qualified as clothing. Yet he’s still here. What I will say is that — and this is a real surprise to me — I really like Alyssa Milano as host! She keeps the whole shebang moving.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        I caught only bits and pieces of last night’s episode, but I did see the judges discussing Jeffrey’s design, and I thought Anya’s comment about how the judges all responded to his defense of his design by complimenting him, when they, or she, really didn’t respond to the piece itself-a thoughtful comment.

        • Helene

          i think it’s ridiculous that Anya is up there judging at all. Her win was a joke and the begininng of the end of credibility for PR.

          • Demeter

            I agree. Anyone who designed only caftans and muu muus in her competition and was given a second chance at the final should never be taken seriously. That season, the fix was in.

          • Glitter Somerset

            Well, they gave Michelle (I think that’s her name) a second chance last season and she ended up winning.

      • NYCGlamourpuss

        True, Jeffrey’s garment was hideous, but it was worth it to hear his exchange with Isaac.

    • Heather

      When Issac was going on about how a woman wouldn’t be able to drink a martini at a party in that get-up, I was all, What are you on about? No one wears that kinda thing to cocktail parties? Jeffrey shut him down right quick, though, which I rather enjoyed, even though Jeffrey has never been anything approaching a favorite of mine. I still think his outfit was ugly as sin, but at least it fit the brief unlike some others (Melissa). I was the most surprised that Irina didn’t take it. Hers was pretty damned cool.

      • mjude

        not a fan of Jeffrey but I was last night because of what he had to say. I thought Irina was going to win too. I cant stop my self from watching this show.

        • Sarah

          I didn’t like Irina’s. I thought that headdress ruined it, and I think she was full of it as far as it having anything to do with her millipedey thing.

          • Helene

            interesting point about the millipede and i agree the headdress was the death knell for the win for her.

          • Sarah

            Yeah I think they even mentioned it. I guess I have a bias against her, IDK why. I think she’s not very soulful, but that’s not necessary, really?

        • Inspector_Gidget

          Yeah I’m not a Jeffrey fan either, but he was spot-on in calling the judges on bullshit. They wanted an avant garde look that can be worn to a cocktail party? Say what? PR has never known what they were talking about with avant garde, but that took the cake.

      • Imasewsure

        I felt like jumping through the TV and high fiving Jeffrey last night for confronting the ridiculous comments about what was avante garde, etc. by the lame non-couture (and anti-avante garde panel). You could call Jeffrey’s outfit ugly or derivative but it was definitely one of the outfits that qualified as or at least tried to be avante garde. And Michael as the winner? Ridiculous.

        Heavy product placement is ramping up too so I think I need to start looking for something else to do on Thursday nights…

        • Tom Robinson

          They kept going on and on about how luxurious Michael’s fabric choices were, but from my pov, all I saw was gray felt.

          • Imasewsure

            I KNOW! I guess felt is useful and “luxurious” for sopping up all of the spilled wine at the avante garde cocktail parties the judges seem to like to attend? WTF-ery at it’s finest….

          • Qitkat

            That was a ridiculous comment, because it was the reverse of his neoprene original green fabric. I thought it was a knit backing.

          • Sarah

            It was! But clever of him to use it that way in a pinch, no?

          • Swiftlytiltingplanet

            Perhaps reversing the fabric or the garment will be this season’s exposed zipper.

          • CommentsByKatie

            IT WAS knit backing. I choked on my tea watching them fawn over that fabric. Have they never seen the underside of vinyl before? It doesn’t look like wool! It looks like the inside of cheap costume boots! I thought he was going home for that look, and then he ended up winning. Ridiculous.

        • Helene

          agreed that michaels win was, if nothing else, just silly. Avant garde? um, no.

        • MaryMcClelland

          I appreciated Michael’s and I think it was derivative of some older Nicholas Ghesquiere for Balenciaga, but I do not think it should have won. Then again, it was FAAAAR better than Elena’s mess!

        • Samuel Joesph Donovan

          Thank you!

      • Celandine1

        That cocktail comment was such BS, however they should have called him on the fact that his ugly outfit was a bad McQeen ripoff. That hood was ridiculous. Don’t remember which guest judge said it but kudos to her for calling it correctly: Lady Gaga’s backup dancer.

        • Tracy_Flick

          That was Anya!

      • Lisa_Co

        Irina should have won and Viktor and Christopher should have been in the top 3 with her. You could see the bug inspiration in all 3 and they were avant garde. Elena’s was badly sewn and not especially avant garde. I fear she may be the season winner.

        • artjournallife

          I think Elena’s getting the Michael Costello edit. We’ll mess with her (and the audience) by moving her along until she is in the top 3. Meanwhile, we’ll milk the fact that she is emotional and teary. At least this is what I tell myself when I have that flash of, “Oh no, she won’t win the whole thing.” It keeps me from throwing stuff at the tv

        • Demeter

          I agree. And why wasn’t she called out for being literal as Michael was? Her dress looked like a walking bug.

        • Samuel Joesph Donovan

          It should say something about Christopher’s qualifications as an “All Star” that for the life of me, I couldn’t remember who he was until I googled him.

      • belfebe

        And what does Anya know about avant garde? Bring her to guest judge a beach towel challenge, not avant garde. Good for Jeffrey to call them up on their bullshit.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Isaac was on Irina also about the wearability of her dress, that a woman would not be able to drink with that headpiece on. Hello! Avant garde! I was kind of hoping Mean-a Irina and Jeffrey would team up to take down Isaac.

    • Inspector_Gidget

      You know I have to admit, as annoying as some aspects of PR Allstars are, it’s nice to see runway shows that actually have interesting, well-constructed looks. It’s a breath of fresh air now that the main show has devolved into nothing but Marshall’s Outlet.

      At first I didn’t think having so many previous winners compete again was a great idea. But it’s definitely given the runway shows a shot in the arm.

      • Imasewsure

        That is a positive. Even the worst looks in the first two episodes haven’t been bad and some of the final pieces have been really well done. Should just call it Project ReadyWear though and just get it over with

      • mrspeel2

        “…it’s nice to see runway shows that actually have interesting, well-constructed looks.” I agree! But, to me, it begs the question: What in this world qualifies Anya to critique ANYONE?? When she won, she did it without even being able to sew a set-in sleeve.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          We all know that sleeves are just sooooooo hard (tongue firmly planted in cheek).

    • MaryMcClelland

      Jeffery’s response was excellent, “I didn’t know I was designing an outfit for a cocktail party.” Exactly! Where in the directives did it indicate that the woman had to waltz off the runway and hit up a bar for martinis?

      Therein lies the major problem with this show: NO CLEAR DIRECTION. And ridiculous manipulation. I do feel sad seeing Jeffrey back and Irina and SA – they are three of the shows most talented winners and clearly their careers have bottomed out after the illustrious win. Then the judging panel throws Anya up there like she is some expert on anything fashion related, with her tits and her ass hanging out (what was she wearing) and brags about how she has been “super successful” since the show. I’m not sure at what since I haven’t seen her anywhere, but OK. Maybe Alyssa Milano was being facetious since she seems to be mocking the show along with Jeffrey as she’s presenting it. I kinda appreciate that. That and her goofy getups that she’s wearing.

      • MaisyMcGregor

        I don’t think their careers have bottomed out at all. They’re still making a living as designers and doing well.

        • Lisa_Co

          I think they are barely making a living, as regards PR, I think fashion industry insiders regard PR with a mixture of contempt and disdain. And ESPECIALLY if you are self taught. PR doesn’t move anyone’s career forward; it basically just hands out prize money.Too bad because in its early years, there was a mentorship and and you got an agency to guide/represent you.

          • Lilithcat

            I think they are barely making a living, as regards PR, I think fashion industry insiders regard PR with a mixture of contempt and disdain.

            Maybe so, but the winners could show a bit of appreciation. Did you see the article about Siriano in the NYT? His win was described as “a triumph that his publicist asked not be mentioned here”! Talk about ungrateful, after the huge publicity push he got from PR, something they never did before or since. (I’ve often wondered who he was blowing.)

          • Lisa_Co

            I did see it. Ever since Siriano has made it big he has tried to distance himself from PR. But I think ( as the NYT article on Tim Gunn noted a few weeks ago) the people really helped by PR have been the judges and Tim, not the contestants.

      • demidaemon

        I have seen her, at the community college where I work. Well, not seen her, but I knew she was there.

    • Samuel Joesph Donovan

      The thing about Jeffrey’s garment though is that it was one of the only true “avant garde” looks on display. That Isaac was arguing about whether or not she could hold a drink in it was absurd. That’s not what avant garde is about AT ALL.

  • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

    Here’s a prescription for you: take 1″ of ginger, cut into slivers, 3 cloves and a stick of cinnamon & bring to the boil with a cup of water and a spoonful of honey. Allow to infuse for a couple of minutes then strain into 2 cups, then add a tot of whisky to each and the juice of half a lemon. I call it a chai toddy; it’s best taken with cat cuddles.

    • zenobar

      OK, I like this even better than the tea I recommended. Because whisky.

      • Sarah

        And catz.

        • kimmeister

          I woke up two days ago unexpectedly wearing new pajamas, which I dubbed a “cat bikini.” One kitty was burrowed under the covers, lying crosswise on my chest, the other kitty was lying on top of me just below my navel. It was awesome.

          • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

            Sounds tickly! My cat stays on top of the bedclothes, to launch strategic attacks on feet.

          • kimmeister

            Chai only burrows if he’s really chilly. Otherwise, if he’s in a playful mood he too will attack my footsies. He really is named Chai (he came named that way), so talk about a Chai toddy with cat cuddles!

          • Sarah

            That is so cute. Daddy will not allow our four in the bedroom so I don’t get to sleep with mine anymore. My elder statesman, who is pushing 14, remembers the days when he was my only boyfriend, so he still asks to come in at night. Breaks my heart to say no, but at least he gets to sleep in a pile with the others, so they keep each other company at night.

          • kimmeister

            Aw, poor kitty! But I like that he has a cat pile. Daddy loves having the kitties in bed, just yesterday he was watching the football game with one lying on his chest, and he remarked on how beautiful that was. They do not, however, sleep on his side of the bed. Daddy is a bit of a spaz when he sleeps so they sleep with Momma so as to not get clobbered/smashed.

          • Sarah

            This is the reason why mine are banished. I am lucky if I don’t get clobbered myself. And also, he has this ridiculous idea that if they aren’t where the wardrobe is actually stored, he will be fur-free. Silly man. Four cats = hair is definitely on your outfit.

          • kimmeister

            For sure. I can lint brush for days, but by the time I make it from the bedroom to the front door, I’m covered in cat hair again. It’s just in the air!

          • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

            Fortunately my husband thinks it’s amusing that we spread cat hair across the globe. In the summer I was sitting in the airport in Hong Kong and a drift of grey fluff floated past when I took a cardigan out of my bag!

          • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

            Haha yeah I always say to my bff who I travel with that we are spreading our cats’ DNA across the planet for future scientists to be confused by!

          • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

            That’s why ours sleeps on my side too – my husband always rolls onto her and doesn’t know about contorting himself to ensure her comfort.

    • MilaXX

      YUM! I want that and I don’t even have a cold.

      • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

        It’s good even if you think you might be fragile.

    • Qitkat

      That sounds really tasty. I’ve always just thrown the ginger and some garlic cloves into a pot with water and tea bags and let simmer, then added honey and lemon. Yours takes it to a level that won’t offend with garlic breath.

      • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

        I used to share a house with a singer who did that. She called it “singer’s tea”. I never tried it!

    • conniemd

      That’s my husband’s aunt’s homemade recipe for cough syrup. Works great on the throat.

    • RoseJB

      I’m trying it right now, and I think it’s working! My cats are doing that crazy late night thing where they chase each other around the house and knock books down the stairs though, so no cuddles.

    • Carrps

      Sounds wonderful. I’m saving this prescription, but changing the final bit to dachshund cuddles!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

    After Alyssa Milano having a slow delivery once again this episode, I am convinced the show producers are telling PRAS hostesses to speak as if they are addressing idiots. We know Alyssa can act better than that. It must be what they want.

    I am surprised at Jeffrey’s attitude. He was so much more in your face and rough during his season. Now he is so soft-spoken. And when one of the judges called his design tough, or messy, or something like that, I said, “Wow! Yes! You watched his season, right?” And he wasn’t wrong to argue against the wearability of an avant garde dress. The designers were only told to make something avant garde inspired by bugs. Why should the judges add more criteria during judging.

    I would have been fine with a double elimination. Fleis’s dress was awful. Plus Elena’s was not avant garde at all. Take away the color and it was just a dress with pointy shoulders. Is Elena being made into the designated winner? Or is that going to be Palu, aka Costello Lite?

    Mychael’s dress looked so cozy to me, but it could be the approaching winter weather here that is making me desire warmth!

    Why was Anya even there??

    I have many feels.

    • Rhonda Shore

      Seems like Elena is being made into the designated winner. Michael’s dress really was elegant though and they probs didn’t want one person to win the first two challenges in a row.

      • MaisyMcGregor

        There’s only been two challenges so no winner has been determined yet.

        One of the reasons that I think Elena didn’t win was because she used the same little square cut-outs that she used in last week’s jacket.

    • Tom Robinson

      AM talks in such actress speak. Everything perfectly articulated and accented. Bugs me to death.

      • 1964edithgrove

        Plus she seemed in phony bitch mode.

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com/ The Gifted Collector

        At least they gave her different words to speak so that she didn’t sound like a Heidi clone. And what was up with her eye make-up? Was that rectangle of eye liner supposed to make her look avant garde?

        P.S. I miss Joanna Coles as the mentor.

        • Sarah

          Yah Zanna just seemed like she wanted to tell everyone not to do what they were doing. That’s not much mentoring.

        • Targettaste

          Yes! Joanna Coles was so great that I almost didn’t miss Tim… almost.

          • http://www.GiftedCollector.com/ The Gifted Collector

            I’m so over Tim. The reunion show was the last straw. They’ve turned him into an automaton like the women in “The Stepford Wives.” But where are they hiding the real Tim?

          • Targettaste

            I know what you mean but I just can’t let go of him. Every once in a while I read about Tim or read a quote from him away from PR production and I feel like the real Tim still exists. I’m hoping his popularity someday gives him enough power to fight back.

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            I”m feeling the need to get my Tim Gunn bobblehead out and listen to him say “Make it work”.

        • StillGary

          Joanna was the bomb!

      • Sarah

        Did you notice how during the beginning of the runway segment, they cut away from her and showed the dresstestants sitting there smiling while they replayed the SAME AUDIO from the week before where she plugged Georgina Chapmans new line and perfume? How frikkin lazy!! It was so badly edited.

    • Imasewsure

      I think you might be right about the producers making Alyssa speak a certain way but in my mind she’s doing it because she thinks it makes her sound smart (keep picturing her in an Eliza Doolittle costume).

      And Anya and a main stream jewelry designer as guest judges… oh yes, that made sense!

      As you say, “I have many feels” too about this show and most are not good… :)

    • nannypoo

      Good question – why was Anya there? She offered nothing of substance in her comments and if she had I wouldn’t have cared anyway. And she seemed to have no pants on and her boob was kind of hanging out. WTF

      • 1964edithgrove

        No pants, indeed.

      • kimmeister

        I was trying to figure out what she was wearing. Granny panties? A bikini bottom? Who knows. All I know is that I saw an awful lot of side-buttcheek.

        • Sarah

          Oh, man, I didn’t notice her outfit. I will have to re-play it and check for this butt-cheek. I’m intrigued now…

          • kimmeister

            It is, of course, wholly free of cellulite. [/jealousy hiss]

      • Karen North

        Did anyone catch the intro where they said something about all the great success she has had since being crowned winner? Did you join me and most of America by responding huh? what? Completely forgot she even existed except to recall how her and Gretchen destroyed my once favorite show.

        • RoseJB

          Granted, Anya and Gretchen weren’t really in the right competition to be competing on a Fashion Week level, but they both made clothes that I think women respond to. Very much off-the-rack, but I didn’t begrudge either of them too much for their wins.

      • ddfrog

        She made one good comment about what it’s like shopping for fabric in the timeframe. But that was the only value add.

      • MaryMcClelland

        I know! I was so confused about what she was wearing: caftan avant garde? It was like a bikini with a blazer over it.

      • DinaSews

        She hasn’t learned how to make pants yet. She is still learning to make sleeves.

    • MaryMcClelland

      I read a really interesting interview with Jeffrey talking about his life post the show and what a joke it all was. He was designing clothes for Bratz dolls just to make ends meet and said no one took him seriously because of the way the show presented him and his personality. Maybe he’s toning it down or maybe this is true nature. Whatever the case he looks worn out and tired somehow. His kids clothing line is actually adorable and well made – I’ve bought some on Gilt.

      Truly, the only successful designer to emerge (or should I say famous) was Christian Siriano and I was never really impressed with his aesthetic (always too derivative for me) to begin with so I’m surprised. He’s good at the whole red carpet thing though, so I suppose that’s why.

      • MaisyMcGregor

        And yet the personality that Jeffrey showed on season 3 was in full show this week. It’s too bad that he’s not doing well. He needs to find a partner that everyone loves and then go from there.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          I remember reading an article after Jeffrey’s season that he had consciously presented himself as he did on PR to get attention-or words to that effect. If that is true, perhaps his subsequent experiences have given him time to reflect and to reconsider his behavior during that season.

          • Carrps

            Eh. That sounds like a post-hoc rationalization. Or his current behavior is.

            I don’t really trust much of anything he says.

      • MaisyMcGregor

        If Jeffrey would take a moment in the confessional to show humility about how he’s learned from the reaction to his s3 demeanor, it would go a long way. Everyone loves a comeback story. And then he needs to hire a publicist to get the word out. But I fear he’s a self-saboteur and he could ruin it down the line.

      • Lisa_Co

        I posted further down thread that Christian didn’t even want his S4 win mentioned in a profile of him in the NYT Sunday style section. Sounds like winning PR might get you some money but certainly no prestige or success in the fashion industry. Actually, just the opposite:(

        • YousmelllikeAnnaWintour

          Considering how bad the show has become, that’s not surprising.

    • StillGary

      I think everyone learns from their mistakes — remember how composed Wendy Pepper and Josh were on All Stars? Poor Elena is probably so weepy because she would just really like to maul someone when she gets frustrated, but is keeping it in check.

      • YousmelllikeAnnaWintour

        I get exhausted just watching her. I can’t imagine what it must be like being in the same room with her.

  • Rand Ortega

    Saw “The Returned”. I’m exceptionally intrigued. I’m not sure if it’s as strange as “Twin Peaks” (I worked on the 1st season & no 1 is as interesting or strange a filmmaker as David Lynch) but the elements certainly get your attention (Which twin actually died?). There’s 1 other “back from the dead” show you might want to check out. It’s from about 6 years ago called “Babylon Fields”– created by the guy that Executive Produces “Homeland” & “Dexter” that stars 1 of my favorite actors, Ray Stevenson. It didn’t initially go past the pilot stage but is now being revived by NBC. The 2007 pilot is on Youtube. It’s really creepy.

  • zenobar

    Dear Uncles, if I may: Start taking your Boiron ColdCalm ASAP! And if it seems more like a flu, try their Oscillococcinum. Because it is the BOMB and honestly it’s worth every penny – especially if you have a wedding imminent!

    (Oh, and if you have a box of Tazo Wild Sweet Orange Tea, get after it. Add lots of honey and ginger. Even if this doesn’t have healing properties, it will make your throats feel so. Much. Better.)

    Take care! :)

  • http://lazycircles.blogspot.com/ Sam Hawk

    PR All Stars had previous winner Anya Ayoung Chee as guest judge. Alyssa Milano noted that Anya’s had “huge success” since her win, as 3 previous winners stood on the runway, ready to be judged by her.

    • Imasewsure

      I thought that was hilarious in particular because they didn’t bother to mention what those “huge successes” were….

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        I think they feel obligated to plug her since she is a former winner, and also a big favorite of Heidi’s. I haven’t heard of her since her season, though.

        • Jackie4g

          Maybe she went back to Trinidad and Tobago and that’s where her success has materialized? Beats me, but I never understood why she won in the first place.

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            That’s possible-winning a U.S. reality show competition could garner her more publicity back home, I suppose, and opened some doors for her. Seems to me I rmember that she also became engaged-maybe married, now?

            As for why Anya won her season, honestly, Heidi was a huge fan of Anya’s throughout that season, which has to carry some weight, and Victor Luna, who was probably Anya’s strongest competition for the win struggled a bit with his final collection

          • Jackie4g

            Deep vee necks and floaty printed chiffons, right? Heidi could rock those all year long. I remember when Uli did it (better). I also remember an interview with Chloe Dao who was happy to return to Houston (I think) and her boutique. When asked what the biggest change was from her experience at PR, she pulled no punches and said “I can charge more”. Which was pithy and accurate. I wish all the past winners success, but I think the only one that really fulfilled the potential and realized the dream is Christian Siriano.

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            You have it-Anya did have a really good eye for prints, did the deep vees, floaty styles. Yes, I remember Uli doing it better, too-and I don’t know what Uli wanted to do as a designer, but I think she was one of those designers who could have really benefited had she won PR. Chloe was smart-she already had the business experience that Daniel Vosovic lacked, as he had just graduated from design school.

            I remember Tim Gunn being interviewed about Christian Siriano’s season on PR and if I remember correctly Tim told Christian that he needed to have a plan as to how he would use the prize money if he won.

          • Lisa_Co

            There is a profile on Christian in Sunday’s NYT (style section). Apparently, he disdains PR so much he didn’t even want his S4 win to be mentioned in the article (they mentioned it anyway). It shows that PR is just a reality TV game show where winning might get you some money but absolutely no prestige or success in the fashion industry.

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            I’ll have to read that article online. I remember reading a NYT article on Michael Kors’ success that made an unflattering reference to the way PR is regarded within the industry.

          • demidaemon

            It’s an interesting contrast to a show like Top Chef, which actually seems to have a lot of clout in the restaurant industry.

      • Karen North

        perhaps her “huge successes” were leaving the country with all the prizes and not paying any taxes on them?

      • MaryMcClelland

        I thought Alyssa was being facetious. Am I being overly optimistic? HA. I too ponder what “huge successes” they were referring too. Success in obscurity?

    • piperkitty

      No mention of what her “huge success” is,,,also I would be insulted to have her judge anything I designed, What a joke the whole judging process was last evening.

      • Carrps

        Probably has boutiques in tourist hotels back in Trinidad-Tobago. Ya’know. Schmattas for the hausfraus on vaycay.

    • Winter_White

      That really was a moment, wasn’t it. :)

      And I remembered this: During her season, PR played up the “sweet beauty queen who taught herself to sew” storyline so well that the casual viewer had no idea what a jaw-droppingly impressive (EXPENSIVE!) Design education she has. Degrees from both Parsons and Central St. Martins! Yow.

      • Lisa_Co

        I don’t believe it, especially not Central St. Martins. With those credentials she would be a designer with some success by now.

        • Carrps

          Her degree was in graphic art (or something like that). NOT fashion design.

    • MaisyMcGregor

      I was LIVID when I saw her on the panel. OK, she technically “won” PR but what puts her in a position to judge ALL-STARS?! NOTHING. I thought my head was going to explode. I really felt for Viktor.

  • BuffaloBarbara

    Tea with lemon and honey always helps my sore throats. Plus fourteen hours of sleep.

    Let’s see, PR: AS. There were bugs. Daniel got auf’d because Anya said he had no taste. Seth Aaron was ridiculously happy to be safe. Mychael won with a dress based on a hornworm, after Zanna had told him that his original plan was auf-worthy. Elena came in second. Irina, who should have won, came in third.

    Melissa got dressed down for making a little black dress in the avant garde challenge. (As usual, there is not time for AG. Korto pretty much didn’t even try.) Jeffrey made a scorpion costume and covered his model’s head with a hood.

    And of course, there is nothing like the QVC accessory wall to add that punch of the outre. Because office shoes just scream avant garde. The Mary Kay makeup was actually pretty okay, but something about makeup named Mary Kay doesn’t really contribute.

    • Imasewsure

      Seth Aaron’s exit was kind of hilarious… if I were him though I would have kept running and never stopped.

      • Saturnine

        You know, I love Seth Aaron and covet his coats mightily, but I wasn’t a fan of his exit. I don’t know; it seemed a bit attention-grabbing. I only watched the actual runway part of the show, however, so maybe I’m missing some context.

        • Sarah

          I thought it was borne out of the horrors of being judged on “avante-garde” challenges that he has both experienced and witnessed in the past. He ran off because he was grateful not to be put through the wringer, is how I read it.

          • Saturnine

            Yep, I had the same read on why he did it, but I thought it came off poorly for some reason. Maybe because he was the first one safe (with a superior design) and everyone else was left to sweat it out. I can’t imagine he really thought he was in jeopardy. Still one of my favs, though, so it pains me to criticize :-

          • SouthernGirlRena

            I thought the reaction was strange too. Being in the middle shouldn’t be celebrated. It is basically saying you weren’t the best or the worst and they didn’t have anything to say about your work.

          • Jackie4g

            Perhaps he was genuinely relieved not to have to explain or defend the challenge. I thought the premise – here’s a choice of insect or arachnid for your inspiration and by the way, make your outfit avant guarde – was kind of disjointed and irrelevant. Another in a long history of challenges that make me say “wha?”.

      • MaisyMcGregor

        I think SA is a generally happy person and he was trying to be funny. But maybe he ran off because he didn’t want to be judged by Anya.

  • Sarah

    Last night, I was glad to see Mychael win. I forgot that while I don’t always like his stuff (not my bag) I like him as a person. He’s level-headed and smart. And his re-design was really something. In other news, Christopher Palu is cute and catty, and Elena is a nutjob. No surprises there, but JEFFREY’S WAS TERRIBLE. Once again, I suspect producer manipulation because why else would you keep his ass in the game? It was frikkin’ awful. They critiqued him so much harder than Melissa OR Daniel, but he gets a pass? Shenanigans.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      While I watched the episode online this morning, I kept getting ads for Ambien. Elena should look into that. Or get put on a Xanax IV drip.

      • Sarah

        Right? I was ON Valium while I watched it, and she made me tense.

      • somebody blonde

        Honestly, I’m amazed that she agreed to do it again. It clearly causes her an insane amount of stress and anxiety to be in a reality show environment… she must really need the money…

    • AnneElliot

      I LOVED that one of the designers (Korto? Melissa?) said Jeffrey’s creation looked like the leg lampshade from A Christmas Story. I couldn’t unsee it.

      • Sarah

        It was Christopher. And so funny!

    • Imasewsure

      His wasn’t great but it was better than Melissa’s or Daniels which is why they went after him so hard I’m sure. They don’t say much if they are ready to see you go.

    • MaryMcClelland

      I liked when all the judges claimed they were scared of Jeffrey. UM…

  • hughman

    Last night’s “PR : AS” was about one thing and one thing only – Jeffrey Sebelia’a bitchfight with Isaac. Unfortunately I found myself rooting for Sebelia who I usually think is loathsome. Whenever Isaac gets called out on his judging, he pulls this whole Miss Pittypat schtick where he practically fans himself and gets the vapors that someone would actually NOT TAKE AS LAW what he decrees. His going off last night about how “avant garde” clothes should also be wearable out at functions was malarky as was his dismissal of Jeffery’s head mask for his model (which if anything, was just poorly made). I immediately thought of Leigh Bowery who frequently wore head masks (and wore them out) and who was definitely AG. Isaac just pulled some schtick where he acted befuddled and then turned to the other judges for support when Sebelia wouldn’t back down. If anything, it really exposed how arbitrary and non-sensical a lot of the judging is thrown down. You can kind of see that some of the contestants (particularly ones who’ve done this gig over and over) aren’t having it.

    • Sarah

      I agree that that argument was crap, and Sebelia was right for calling Isaac on it, but his outfit was also crap. Wtf is “cozy” about a scorpion? And that foam nonsense looked terrible, not because it was weird, but because of poor craftsmanship.

      • hughman

        Oh I wasn’t into his outfit either. But the reasons they gave for not liking it was just so poor. Call him on the foam piece! But at least be direct about it.

        • Sarah

          Yeah. There’s a world of haute couture stuff that is not for cocktail parties. Just because Mizrahi sells his stuff to QVC now doesn’t mean everybody needs to design for their demo.

          • hughman

            Erkay??

        • ShaoLinKitten

          The whole outfit is a knock off of a Maison Martin Margiela 2008 runway piece. It was most definitely avant garde, and Jeffrey was sure of that because he ripped off a famous avant garde artist when he designed it. However, Mizrahi deserved the tongue lashing. His comments were laughable.

          • Saturnine

            You know, I heard the knock-off critique bandied about in various boards and then I googled it– WOW. More than a knock off; it’s the same exact garment in a different print, down to the one shoulder bodice and solid left leg. How in the world can that pass? And there I was, cheering him on, as he fenced with Isaac!

          • ShaoLinKitten

            My reaction precisely. I discovered the plagiarism within an hour of the show’s airing just by Googlinng avant garde fashion. The picture just happened to pop up and I was like, OMG! He stole it! I was cheering Jeffrey too, and he was still right about the definition of avant garde, but he is also still a cheater!

          • Sarah

            That’s what’s UP. I mean, he even didn’t do it well. I was over him before his season even ended, and I’m over him now. Of course he was right to argue with Isaac, but it still smells like major producer manipulation to me. Mark my words, they’ll keep his ass in for a WHILE just to see if he and Elena have a Clash of the Titans, temper-wise.

          • Carrps

            I’m betting on Elena.

            She’s no Angel(a).

          • ewes_urn_aim

            I just googled it, too and another pic popped up as well- Marc Jacobs dressed as a camel toe! Not sure if it’s from this year but it’s hilarious!

          • ewes_urn_aim

            It was from ’07.

          • MaryMcClelland

            Probably because they only have TEN HOURS that is ludicrous. I mean of course that’s what they sign up for but I think given then parameters it’s difficult to sort out a conceptual idea. This show irks me. I’m truly only watching for the past winners and even that is irking me. Why am I watching?!

    • Imasewsure

      “Whenever Isaac gets called out on his judging, he pulls this whole Miss
      Pittypat schtick where he practically fans himself and gets the vapors”…. THIS!

      And like him or loathe him, Jeffrey was right and it was hilarious to have someone call these bozos out (particularly Miss Isaac)

      • 1964edithgrove

        I think he actually did fan himself…

        • Swiftlytiltingplanet

          Yes, he did.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Is that what Isaac was doing? I did not understand it at all, and the editing was so choppy during that segment, leaving me more confused. What a stupid call for attention, then.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Love the Miss Pittypat reference to Isaac-I can just see him fanning himself after a fit of the va-puhs!

  • GorgeousThings

    What was WITH this week, anyway? Was the moon in broken shoelaces or something?
    I’m not sure how much TV I’ll watch – we have guests coming in from out of town, but I’ll stop by for a drink once or twice.
    Bartender, a mojito, please?

  • GorgeousThings

    PS – feel better, and fingers crossed for the couch!
    xox

  • MilaXX

    Feel better. I had a moment earlier this year with a couch and that was just getting it into the front door. keeping my fingers crossed for you. Also sending virtual chicken soup and hoping you stay healthy enough to enjoy the reception.

    I haven’t caught The Return yet. but I have it on the DVR.

    I wasn’t super pleased with PR’s win last night. but I was happy about the auf.

    • Sarah

      I never thought Daniel was very good at anything other than structured suits. I won’t miss him, either.

      • MilaXX

        exactly! I thought he should have been auf’d last week and his look this week was auf worthy to me.

        • demidaemon

          I agree. I definitely thought Melissa was going, though, for her usual issues: time management. She seriously has the bullseye on her back now.

  • Tom Robinson

    Ah! 30 Rock! Jenna Maroney is my spirit animal.

  • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

    So Uncles, I have a question for you.

    What are your thoughts on a closed Facebook Group for The Bitter Kittens?

    I am a member of such a group called Previously on Sons of Anarchy. It’s a great forum for like minded folks to post found pics, share thoughts and theories, etc.

    It would be like a 24/7 365 TLounge, where the BKs could gather whenever, to talk about whatever.

    I’m not asking y’all to do more work; I would really like to create the group myself, but not without your permission, as I would want to mention it here, link posts to here, etc.

    I appreciate your input.

    • ShaoLinKitten

      I need to be on that SoA group! Invite me! Also going to email you. I have THOUGHTS about Tuesday’s ep.

      • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

        I can’t invite you. Either bc we aren’t fb friends or bc I am not an admin of the group, not sure which. However, just search it on fb, and click Join. One of the admins of the group will accept and add you, very quickly.
        And I also have THOUGHTS, I will reply to your email.

    • hughman

      Another place for you to post thousands of pics of your cute kids and work stories. Jeesh. ;)

      • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

        And Caturday pics, don’t forget those!!!

        But wouldn’t that be fun? A common area for BKs to come get their vent on? The TLo fb page is nice, and people post fun items to their wall, but this would be more social. AND being a closed group, your activity on it doesn’t show up all over your friend’s newsfeeds. “Annabelle Likes Spanking for Dummies Page” etc. What happens there, stays there. Like Vegas, but snarkier.

        • Sarah

          IS there a Spanking for Dummies page? Because, hmmm.

        • hughman

          Hee hee!! Someone apparently thought I was seriously dissing you and downvoted me!! HA! This is why we’re the worst FB friends and talk all the time. DAMN, I’ve been caught!! x

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            Oh Bitch, it is on!!! Somebody hold my earrings!!!!

            Maybe they were down voting the idea of yet another place for kid pics and work stories? Either way, I promise to keep that shit on my own fb page. There are times in life, when you witness something amazing or a House Hunters with a particularly crazy wife and just want to tell a fellow BK. This would be the place to do that.

          • Swiftlytiltingplanet

            I’ll hold them if I can try them on.

          • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

            There might be a place to get your BK swag on, too, if you look for it. Clever kittens can probably find it by mousing around ;)

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            We should have a running list of all the great TLo/BK/UBF sayings that pass through here. So many good t-shirts are just waiting to be made.

          • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

            I’m working on it! I didn’t spend nine years in art school for nothin’!

          • marlie

            Quoi?! More details/hints, s’il voup plait!

            ETA: Nevermind. I didn’t need to look that hard. :P

          • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

            Because you’re clever, of course!

          • calimon

            I just upvoted you. Cuz I’m a kissass :X

          • marlie

            I need to reiterate that I want to be real-life friends with you two. It would be such a hoot!

    • Swiftlytiltingplanet

      But…but…I’m not on Facebook! I quit a little over a year ago, and I don’t wanna have to go back. But I will suck it up and do what is necessary.

      • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

        See, I’m not on Twitter. Which, I realize would also be a way to make friends with folks outside of here.
        Do it!! Do it!! Join the facie. : )

        • Swiftlytiltingplanet

          I am on Twitter so I can follow people…I don’t really say anything. :) I left FB because I realized that it mostly just made me feel worse about my life (I do NOT need help with that!), and I really didn’t know why I was “friends” with most of those.

          If you set up a BK group, I will….join.

          • marlie

            Every once in a while, I go through and purge FB friends. I mostly cut people who I don’t actually like (but was FB friends b/c we rotated in the same circles), or who over-post with propaganda from whatever their cause is (even if I agree with it). And you know what, I really like the fact that it’s freed up my feed so that I can see the messages and posts from the people I *do* want to hear from.

        • Sarah

          I don’t tweet either, despite many invites. I am already too viced up on the interwebs. And I’m uninformed-3G-flash-mob guy, so I can’t live-tweet anyway.

        • marlie

          I’m like that with Twitter. Do it! You can do as much or as little as you want, and still maintain pretty tight control over your privacy settings.

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            We’ll see. No promises. T and Lo never had anything to say about it, so I take that to mean they don’t care either way. I’ll ponder this week. Over the weekend I found out some pretty terrible news about the newborn nephew of a friend of mine. I spent a lot of time helping them get some social media pages together to bring awareness and ask for help. I don’t know that I’d have the time to admin a Bitter Kitten group too.

          • marlie

            No worries. So sorry to hear about the nephew. Sending positive thoughts and prayers your way. I saw where you posted it elsewhere; I’ll see what I can do.

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            Thanks M.
            If I can be the loudest of mouths and get people to share their struggle, I will feel like I was able to help them in some small way.

      • decormaven

        I agree. I dropped FB due to privacy concerns. Not exactly sure I love Disqus but feel a little more in control of how my info is sliced n diced.

        • Swiftlytiltingplanet

          Yes, privacy was also a concern of mine. I like to keep a (really) low profile on the web – even as the idea of privacy becomes ever more quaint.

    • Jackie4g

      Not on Facebook and do not want to be, as I feel the privacy controls are lacking.

      • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

        I get that. (I also wanted to say, I did not down vote your comment.)

        • Jackie4g

          No worries.

        • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

          Someone has their crankypants on – there is some very random downvoting going on!

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            I’ve noticed that. I wish they would comment and explain what they don’t like. I think January Jones was here. My comments on her limited range were also down voted. You could tell it was with scorn. : )

          • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

            I also don’t understand what’s not to love about my chai toddy recipe. Unless they were irked that it should be a masala toddy because there is no tea in it?

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            Chai never hurt anyone. Who could down vote chai?

    • MaisyMcGregor

      By having people gather here, I believe there is more anonymity and there is more revenue generated for this site.

      • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

        Hmmmm, I wouldn’t want to interfere with any posting here in any way. I hesitate to call it a fan page, but maybe that’s the most accurate description. I envisioned it as a socialization situation, not competition.

  • Sarah

    It is SO delightful to watch 30 Rock all at once. Enjoy it; you will be highly amused.

    • kimmeister

      It’s hard to not start saying, “What the WHAT?!?”

      • Sarah

        The whole cast is so diverse and at the top of their game. Lines aplenty to quote!

  • calimon

    I wonder why TLo doesn’t cover Scandal. They do manage to post about Kerry Washington enough. Anyone? Bueller…Bueller?

    • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

      Maybe they just have enough on their plates? I’ve been enjoying the fuggirls Scandal posts but what more could TLo contribute on white pantsuits, good coats and wine cardigans?

      • calimon

        good point, and thanks for the tip!

  • snarkykitten

    Kittens, may I ask some of you more worldly ones for some advice? Would you quit your job without having another one lined up, if your current job was putting what felt like an insurmountable amount of strain and anxiety on you? or would you just put on the big kid pants and suck it up until you stumbled on something else?

    • ShaoLinKitten

      I went through this. Worked a job I hated for three years. It did terrible things to me, but I stuck it out until I got another job. I had student loans to pay, so I felt I had to. The job market is even worse now than it was 10 years ago, so I’m not sure I’d quit a job without some plan for getting money in the meantime. I wouldn’t wait to stumble onto something else. Pound the pavement, scour the internet, until you find something.

    • Imasewsure

      It depends on what you do, who else is hiring at your level (or above) and what other resources you have (a spouse, etc). If you can afford it and your industry is solid (and hiring) or you can take a bit of time off without too much financial burden setting in, then I say walk away… but do it in a way that you can keep your references too… unless they are cray cray and then just run
      If you don’t have these options though… I would tough it out but double your efforts to find something new.
      Good luck!

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com/ The Gifted Collector

        You do have to concentrate on finding something new first. “Stumbling on something else” is not going to get you a better job.

        My grandmother taught me, “Don’t throw out the dirty bath water until you have clean.” You should have all your ducks lined up before you resign a paying job.

        And Imasewsure is absolutely right. Don’t burn your bridges. Good references are golden.

        • Carrps

          Yeah, and you never know what the future holds.

          A co-worker of mine once had his boss from his former job get hired at his current work place. Fortunately,the former boss had mellowed the heck out, but if my friend had said the things he’d wanted to say to that guy when he quit, it would have made things seriously sticky for him.

    • Sarah

      Oh, I know what you’re talking about. If I had had money, I would’ve quit. But I couldn’t afford it, so I put on the stressed-out, unhappy big kid pants while I tried desperately to find another job. It took a year, but I barely remember the bad part now. And I never had to be homeless in the meantime, so it was worth it for me.

    • nannypoo

      Suck it up. You’ll be a more attractive hire if you already have a job. Unless you get so crazy from the current job that you become unemployable.

      • kimmeister

        100% agree (and I’m an HR professional).

    • formerlyAnon

      Only quit without another job if you can afford to look as long as a year for a similar job, or if the strain and anxiety are really making you sick, or abusive to your self or those around you, not just making you hate life on the days you go to work. If you REALLY must leave, though, just be open to doing different things and know that your mental and physical health is the foundation of everything else. Don’t beat yourself up after the fact.

      I’ve known several people in the past two years who looked for a year or more to find a job at the same level as the one they left (or were laid off from.) And to be honest, nobody who was looking more than 4 months ended up hired into something that was truly the same level of both responsibility and compensation. [Sorry]

    • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

      Very much depends what the market is like for your skills. Both my husband and I have been unemployed for long stretches over the last 3-4 years and it is pretty brutal. Months of lying awake wondering what else we could sell, whether we’d have to emigrate, whether we’d have to rehouse our cat… I’ve been made very ill by some past jobs, but I can’t say any of them were as bad as that unrelenting worry.

      • ewes_urn_aim

        I know exactly how you feel, honey. I am right there with you. We will all get through this!

        • http://foodycat.blogspot.co.uk/ foodycatAlicia

          There are a lot of people in a bad way right now! It’s one reason why I value the prettiness and escapism of this site! Nothing bad but bad fashion choices can happen here!

    • Fordzo

      Is anyone else depending on you and your income?

    • kat89

      Short answer – don’t do it. Wait until you have another job lined up.
      The job market is horrible right now. It’s like nannypoo said – you’ll be more attractive if you have a job. This really is true. Potential employers WILL ask you why you quit your job and whatever answer you give might not put you in the best light. No one wants to hear that you quit your job because it was stressful or you were unhappy there, so unless you have a really good excuse that they can’t interpret in a way that gives them a negative impression of you, keep your job until you find a new one.

    • formerlyAnon

      Oh, I had another thought if you do decide to quit. (honest, I do have unexpressed thoughts. Really.).
      If you’re prone to depression, make sure all your coping mechanisms are lined up before you quit. It seems like you’d be full of happy relief, but I’ve seen and experienced how quickly that can fade.

    • Catiline

      I have actually done this. I got to the point at a particular job where I was pretty much on the verge of a complete breakdown. And I’m not someone who expects to be treated like a snowflake at work; I’ve worked at jobs that were hard and not-fun and managed to suck it up. But at this one I didn’t fit in culturally, I got stuck with a bunch of job duties of my departing manager with no training/salary increase/hour increase above part-time, there was no chance of advancement, and I hated the work itself. Basically I just felt more worthless and frustrated with every workday that went by.

      I was able to take the leap because: a) I knew I had enough of a cushion, financially speaking, to survive for a while and b) I was temping, and I was in good standing with my temp company and was able to get help finding a new placement quickly. Do you have any kind of safety net like that? Can you make any lateral moves? I will be honest, I broke down crying in relief on the day I quit that job. But I also know that I was very, very, very, very lucky to have landed on my feet. For that reason I hesitate to advise you to do what I did. It will feel good short-term, not just because you’re no longer at the job, but in my case because I felt like I had finally taken back some personal power and done something positive for myself. But that feeling doesn’t pay the bills obviously.

      The only thing I can say for sure is, don’t hope to “stumble into” something, be really aggressive about looking for a new job. I wish I had done that. The longer I stayed in the spirit-killing job, the more of my confidence about finding a better job drained away. You can get into a real spiral if you’re not careful.

      Good luck, and hugs if you want them.

      • decormaven

        Not sure what the temp market is like now, but that’s how I transitioned. Many companies have used temp agencies to “try on” a potential job hire; they get to see how you work, and you get to see if you would really want to work for them.
        How’s your insurance situation? Is it good with your present employer? Have you checked the potential cost of carrying insurance for yourself if you do quit? You need health insurance. No matter what your age, stuff happens, and one big medical bill can wipe out your present and future stockpiles.
        Lastly, find ways to make your present situation work for you. Cadge some money for something that is fulfilling/positive for you. A class in a new skill, a new hobby or exercise routine- anything to have a little spot in your life that sparks and refreshes you. Remember, they can’t eat you. (but they will nibble round the edges if you don’t keep your spirit strong.) Hugs.

    • artjournallife

      I walked away from a job because of mental health reasons in August. I have financial resources to live for a bit. I know it would have been better to have something lined up… but too much stress at work to deal with that! So, do some looking while still employed if you can. Asses your monetary (and mental) health. You have to make a case for receiving unemployment if you quit, so keep anything that might prove this (luckily, my supervisor didn’t have the concept of consistency, so I have evaluations that were kinda non sensical, and contradictory when you see them as a whole). Also, perhaps go to the unemployment website to see if they are more specific about how you can qualify if you quit. By the way, I’m not reemployed yet, BUT I am sooo happy to be reacquainted with my mental health… and from the people I know who are still there, the place I left is getting crazier and crazier…

    • Carrps

      I was in a good spot. i was just old enough to retire,and I’d been super conservative with my 401K since the middle years of the W administration. I had a good chunk to ease me in to retirement. Yeah, I could have had more money at one time, but I’d have lost the bulk of it in the 2008 crash.

      But I actually sleep through the night now. I’ve lost lots of physical stress-related problems, AND the old place is as awful — or more so — than when I left. They put a pile of more stress on everyone in my department AFTER we had a work place shooting (three dead; two critical, one fleshwound). Yeah, more stress. That’ll cure the problem!

  • LJCdoc

    PR can be summed up with a single exchange: “Goth Mary-Kate, your dress could be worn to a cocktail party; you are in the bottom. Jeffrey, your lampshade cannot be worn at a cocktail party; you are in the bottom”. Then Jeffrey let Mizrahi have it, which was awesome, even though I hate Jeffrey. Oh, and Elena went all hysterical, but that’s not really news now, is it?

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Isn’t Elena’s default setting hysterical?

  • Fordzo

    I’d like to buy the house a round of peach schnapps and creme de menthe.

    • formerlyAnon

      Can we donate it to the homeless? ;-)

      • Sarah

        Shoot. Mortgage payment’s due; I’m broke. I’ll have the schnapps.

        • Fordzo

          Woo Hoo! I’m gonna ask the DJ to play Stairway to Heaven. Let’s slow dance!

      • Fordzo

        You can donate it back to me.

        • formerlyAnon

          Well, if it won’t seem like ungraciously refusing your kind offer, I will. I just do not properly appreciate most liqueurs.

          • Fordzo

            The combination is an acquired taste.

            Plus, I just want to get drunk and take my shirt off.

          • formerlyAnon

            You have my blessings. But unless you’re going to sleep in your truck, let me have the keys now. AND the set hidden in the wheel well that your parents don’t know about.

          • Fordzo

            *psst* I’ll let you in on a real secret – I never actually get drunk. I just like to take my shirt off. I paid an awful lot of money for my underpinnings and I think it’s a shame that more people don’t get to see them.

          • formerlyAnon

            Gotcha!

    • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

      Good lord, that sounds terrible!! : )
      I’ll just take my whiskey neat and have seat over here.

      RE your comment down thread…. I don’t take my shirt off, I prefer to sit on laps. CHEERS.

      • Fordzo

        More creme de schnapps for me! But don’t sit way over there! Come sit by me.

    • sisterb67

      [Insert best Elaine Benes from Seinfeld voice here] SCHNAPP ME!

  • Paula Pertile

    Feel better soon. Not watching PR. Into Key & Peele, and DaVinci’s Demons for the occasional full frontal male nudity and nice costumes. :~) Good luck with the couch!

  • formerlyAnon

    Esteemed Hosts, your couch will be fine. (Exude the aura of homesteaders who will tip furniture movers heavily.) And however fraught the process, you obviously KNOW it’s going to be wonderful once in place.

    I can’t add to the cold remedies, but maybe there’s tiny comfort in the fact that you’re both a bit fragile? Perhaps you will avoid the deal where one of you is fine by Tuesday, only to have the other fall ill.

  • YourBaloneyDontGotNoSecondName

    Vietnamese Pho is wonderful when you’re getting sick with almost anything.

    Cinnamon Schnapps in a coffee mug heated up in the microwave is even better.

    • Swiftlytiltingplanet

      Pho is always wonderful. Always.

    • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

      Being taken by work friends to a little hole in the wall place, and having my first Vietnamese Pho was a life changing moment.

      • alyce1213

        Your first? Congrats. I love Pho.

        • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

          Several years ago. But at the time, I’d never had any Vietnamese food. Now I crave it if I go too long without. Same with Thai. My Thai cravings are crack like.

          • alyce1213

            I’m lucky to live not far from Chinatown and there are all kinds of Asian restaurants to delight my palate.

          • Carrps

            Just saw a show on Asian cooking, and they said the pronunciation of Pho is such that it is because it was a take on pot au feu. Keeping that in mind can help with pronouncing it correctly. ;-)

          • alyce1213

            Yup – fuh.

          • formerlyAnon

            I ate Thai with my son tonight. And had to stop myself from reminiscing to him about how his dad went across the street to our favorite Thai place and got food for us to eat in the hospital the night he was born. Back then it was hard to find. Now it seems like a staple of my life.

          • marlie

            Late to the conversation… I went to Thailand with my bestie ~10 years ago and we took a cooking class there. One of the best things I’ve ever done.

          • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

            Today, as I left my favorite Thai lunch spot, I thought to myself, “I have got to learn how to make some of this at home. I’m going to go broke otherwise.” True story.

      • kimmeister

        I hope someone taught you how to pronounce it correctly. Drives me batty when people call it “FOE”.

  • Tarjay

    Yay for The G! I stayed there when I visited Galway and had many a toddy in the lovely lounge! Take liquid echinacea boys–not the pill form!

  • altalinda

    Living in Philly myself, I understand those fears about getting the couch to an upper level. In my case, it involved having my partner bring her (much) more athletic and fit ex-girlfriend over and hauling the piece of furniture up the outside of the house an onto the deck. Good luck!

    • formerlyAnon

      Can I congratulate the lot of you for your interpersonal skills? It takes some solid friendships/relationships on both sides for the ex- to come over and move furniture for a couple.

  • formerlyAnon

    Greetings, fellow Minions and Kittens. I have a lot to do this month (really, for the next 6 months or so, but I am not thinking that far ahead) which of course inspires in me a deep-seated longing for a night with friends that starts with several hours at dinner (cooking together or out somewhere) and continues with a long, carefully titrated night of drinking and mild, middle-aged revelry. *sigh* Thank goodness for virtual drinking. So much less time-consuming. Bring on a pitcher of Palomas. I’ll share.

    • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

      Hellooooo Dahling….

      I find it best to live in denial about the future. A very Scarlett O’ Hara fiddle dee dee approach, if you will.

      • formerlyAnon

        I try to call it compartmentalization. That way it is a coping skill. Denial sounds so much less . . . responsible, somehow.

      • Call me Bee

        After all, tomorrow is another day!

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Hi there! I’m thinking of settling in with a pot of tea to ward off a cold. I only saw bits and pieces of PRAS last night, as I was preoccupied with “John Carter” on cable….I admit to a great fondness for the E.R. Burroughs Mars series,and couldn’t resist a visit to Barsoom-it outranked PR>

      • Sarah

        I liked that movie. I don’t know why they panned it SO HARD.

        • demidaemon

          I think the bigger deal was that it made a back a sliver of the money it cost to produce it.

          • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

            Yeah, I guess that’s a pretty grossly offensive waste of money, but taken for what it is, I found it entertaining. I thought they made a mistake in not advertising it enough, or as “by the same author as Tarzan” because I don’t think people are aware of Burroughs’ body of work as much as they might have been in the past.

  • Qitkat

    Feel better soon, TLo!
    Good luck with the new couch. If it is white, or light colored, be careful sitting on it with blue jeans, especially new ones. From a sad but wiser kitten, who has all but ruined a beautiful cream fabric sofa, which can only be dry cleaned.

    • formerlyAnon

      That’s kind of tragic. I will file the warning away, in case I ever become optimistic enough to buy a white/very light piece of upholstered furniture. Haven’t been that brave, yet.

    • ewes_urn_aim

      My latest sofa is upholstered in mohair- that shit is indestructible lol! Had a lot of spills (coffee, sauces, ashes- yes we eat and smoke on it) but nothing stains it.

      • alyce1213

        Mohair is amazing and beautiful. I have my mother’s 40+ yr old mohair chair which still looks great after innumerable home ‘cleanings.’

  • kat89

    I didn’t like Jeffrey’s garment at all, but I have to say I LOVED the way he very calmly stood up to the judges (especially Isaac) and made them look like the idiots they are. I also thought (and I never thought I would ever say this) that Irina’s was the best and she should have won. The things that bother me about this show are 1. Alyssa Milano as the host. She’s kind of a harsh judge, considering that she isn’t exactly renowned for her fashion sense. She never really smiles unless it’s that phony, haughty smile, and she really is kind of bitchy on the show 2. They give far too much air time to Elena – again. This season is deteriorating into the Crazy Elena Hour, and I am over it already. 3. Anya as a judge? Judging other winners? No. Just no. She isn’t successful or talented enough to be judging people who are more talented than she is. Seriously, who is she sleeping with/blackmailing that she is held in such high esteem by Bunim-Murray that not only did she win her season, but is now back as a judge for an episode? It would be one thing if Christian Siriano was a judge. He is arguably the most successful winner the show has had, but Anya? I don’t think so. 4. Did Harvey Weinstein write it into her contract that Georgina Chapman has to be introduced every single week as the “BEeeeAUuuuuTIiiiiFUL” (dramatic pause inserted) Georgina Chapman. Wouldn’t she rather be introduced as incredibly talented rather than beautiful? I think that introduction actually diminishes her success as a designer. I don’t know how much more I can watch. I’m thisclose to giving up on it. There really isn’t even anyone I want to root for this season.

    • Swiftlytiltingplanet

      Completely agree with you about Jeffrey – and if a woman wearing his avant garde look couldn’t drink her drink, how was a woman wearing Mychal’s going to lift her drink? I hate how the judges want an avant garde look then criticize the lack of wearability! (The did it last season, too.) Someone, I forget who, remarked that Irina’s was totally wearable; I yelled Where?! at the TV. Speaking of Irina, she was totally robbed.

      I also don’t really understand Daniel’s aufing. Other than Anya really hated it. Yes, it was literal, but it was better than the little black dress with some sort dead thing on the back.

      • DuBey2

        I agree with all this except Daniel. I’ve been waiting for him to get aufed, just as I was eager to se him go home back in his season. I just feel he is not in touch with fashion at all. On the other hand, I LOVED Irina’s. Avant Garde and not ugly either. (Hey, that seems to be a fine line, sometimes!)

    • Targettaste

      PR has taken some flack for winners not doing well after their season. Maybe having Anya as a judge was an attempt to promote her and pretend she is successful.

      • swanpride

        Kind of fell flat considering that they only said “she is successful” without elaborating what she has done. Even worse considering that they advertised for the new project of everyone else on the panel.

    • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

      I tend to get a bit wordy in my posts so thank you for addressing EVERYTHING in needed to express.

      I’m hoping that if Helen from last season is watching, she can see how annoying it is for one person to whine and freak out during every show. I personally think that part of success as a designer is being able to hold yourself together emotionally. I feel like turning down the sound every time I hear Elena go on and on.

      • MaisyMcGregor

        Helen would have to be self-aware to do that and she clearly is not.

    • SRQkitten

      Kat,

      Thank you for nailing exactly every issue I had with last nights show, from the dreadful hosting to Anya as a judge to the “beautiful” Georgina (don’t they occasionally say lovely too? Or was that on a previous season?).

      • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

        Once, last season, she got to be lovely. But she’s usually just beautiful. Screw her intelligence or talent, because obviously that isn’t important. (I know everyone is aware of this problem, it just irritates the heck out of me.)

        • Christy Bishop Cricow

          Perhaps it’s in her contract.

          • http://skreened.com/bkcentral Sarah

            I have a suspicion that it is!

    • SouthernGirlRena

      Do you remember the challenge from a previous All Stars, when Isaac said “it looks like something Kim Kardashian would wear to the opera!” like that was a good thing? After that, I have to force myself not to roll my eyes every time he opens his mouth.

      • Guest

        I lost it with Isaac Mizrahi when he had his HORRIBLE talk show 01-03. Everything he said then was stupid.

  • Dawn Sinclair

    THAT is freaking pink! I now have to go get my retinas relined :D Get well soon Uncles!

  • Trickytrisha

    Oooh, oooh, will you provide pictures of The Couch? Pretty please? Can we BKs will be its god-parents?

    Feel better and don’t flirt with the delivery guys.

    • formerlyAnon

      Wait a minute. If flirting with the delivery guys increases the odds of getting the couch into the house without damage to either, where’s the harm?

      Besides, no job is so exciting that it’s not improved by feeling for a couple of minutes that you’ve caught the eye of an attractive, pleasant, well-mannered bystander.

      • Fordzo

        Werd. I blow kisses at the guys who hold up the SLOW and STOP signs at road construction because it’s so much fun to make them smile.

        But only when I’m sure traffic will keep moving. I learned that lesson the hard way.

        • formerlyAnon

          Excellent!

  • Frank_821

    Well I was sufficiently entertained by All-stars last night. The bottom 3 deserved to be in the bottom 3 but even those had something going for it. I was impressed by what people pulled off in the 1 day time frame

    The episode highlighted classic representations for Mychael, Jeffrey and Elena.

    1) Elena had her typical freakouts but at least she kept “cutting while crying”. It was also nice that at least she was doing more venting and not engaging in fights

    2) Mychael shows want an excellent problem solver he has always been. I love him as a person but not rooting for him this time to win

    3) AS always Jeffrey’s ideas far exceed his execution skills given the allotted time. Personally I felt he had the most ambitious and difficult design to create. He took his inspiration not from the physiology of his creature but its nature and personality. Having only 1 day to make an avant-garde design is bad enough. They should have had 2 days. However Jefrrey’s concept would have required several days to have pulled off correctly.

    I never cared for Jeffrey but I respected his arguments that he threw at Isaac who I felt was at his most arrogant in his judgment of Jeffrey’s work. Without a doubt it was ugly and was the poorest in execution but it was the most conceptual and thought provoking and the most avant garde. It is ironic that Anya of all them had the most accurate assessment of the piece-that what should have been an ensemble that screamed Lady Gaga was only suitable for 1 of her backup dancers

    Actually I was impressed by a number of Anya’s comments. She was way more insightful than the other guest judge. Her sewing skills suck but she does have a better understanding of fashion than some people give her credit for

    I know some people were outraged about Jeffrey being safe but he did defend his garment well and his outfit conceptually far more noteworthy than Daniel’s or Melissa’s. theirs was rather boring in comparison

    Ultimately I think Melissa squeaked past Daniel because her defense came across a little better rather than it necessarily was a better garment-although it was certainly prettier. It barely had any avante garde elements and she knew it and said so up front. She did end up remaking the dress late in the game and she didn’t get to complete what she intended. You could see ultimately where she intended to go with the dress. Daniel’s seem to come out the way he intended and there were inherent design problems. The train on Daniel’s didn’t go witht he dress and did not convey the in-flight illusion of the insect wings. He should have used different fabric and made something more structured with that train.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Anya, to me, is better suited to be a stylist.She does have a good eye, and what I heard of her comments last night were thoughtful.

      • Carrps

        Her comments were o.k. But everytime they showed her I was afraid we were headed for a nip slip.

        That, and I was wondering where here pants were….

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          That thought occurred to me, too.

    • Aki

      I completely agree about Anya as a guest judge last night. When they announced her, I groaned, and then found myself agreeing with everything she said. She was completely on point and actually had insightful things to add that made sense. She was taking it seriously, and to be perfectly honest, she was completely on point. At some point in the last two years, Anya figured out what the hell she was doing.

  • Targettaste

    Best workroom exchange:
    Mentor to Seth Aaron: “What makes this avant garde?”
    SA: “Have you seen this before?”
    Mentor: “No.”
    SA: “Well?”
    Kudos to SA and Jeffrey for defending their work this week.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Zanna didn’t seem like much of a mentor in the workroom, or at least judging by what got aired. It was like she was very obviously trying very hard to be witty or incisive yet failing. “Why do I see zebra?” Lame.

      • pismire

        I am starting to suspect that she makes up phony British pronunciations of words.

        • largishbearishAtlish

          I noticed that too…some of her ‘pronouciations’ (sp) seemed VERY made up… (and inconsistent as all get out).

        • alyce1213

          She’s annoying.

      • Eric Stott

        I REALLY miss Joanna Coles – a fine mentor

  • tallgirl1204

    Thank you thank you ever so much for spelling y’all correctly…….

  • Tracy_Flick

    Thanks TLo, hope you feel better soon. Lots of rest.

    PRAS: I took notes, as follows:

    1. QVC? What’s next, the Dollar General accessories wall?

    2. Why is it always “the beautiful” Georgina Chapman? Is that in her contract or something? It’s not like she doesn’t have other qualifications.

    3. The tight smile-like expressions on the faces of the designers when Anya was announced were AWESOME and you should just watch that 10 seconds.

    4. Daniel’s dress was cheap and ugly.

    5. Jeffrey made a birth canal for the model to emerge from, complete with landing strip.

    6. Irina and Mychael had the best designs.

    • Lisa_Co

      Why don’t they save time and introduce them jointly as: our two talented and lovely designers Geogina Cg

    • formerlyAnon

      ” tight smile-like expressions”

      Oh, bless you. It’s the little things that make a day sing.

    • artjournallife

      #5 ROFLMAO

    • Carrps

      A big ol’ YES on #3. I noticed that, too.

      The applause was also very very “polite.”

    • Stubenville

      After the Dollar General accessories wall, the “Things left behind at the Lost and Found window at Grand Central Station” accessories wall.

      /sarcasm

      • demidaemon

        To be fair, QVC is a great platform for designers wanting to make some caching. Many of our favorites, including Laura Bennett and Chloe Dao, have schilled for QVC.

  • SewingSiren

    1. What in the hell was up with broadcasting on Halloween?
    2. I watched this morning on the Lifetime website.
    3. I had already viewed the garments on the website, and my picks for the best were Mychael, Elena, and Victor.
    My picks for the bottom were Jeffery, Melissa, and Daniel.
    4. Good on Jeffery for more or less telling Isaac to go to hell. And he had no idea he was supposed to be making a cocktail dress.
    5. I would have given the win to Elena with Mychael getting 2nd. Agree with the auf and 2nd worst.

    • Christy Bishop Cricow

      YES, good on Jeffery. And WTF is up with Alyssa Milano–she of one dowdy look after another–in charge?! When she stated, so sternly, that she would never wear this, I was dumbfounded. Avant garde challenge….okey dokey. Jeffery has my vote now, if only for his smart, self-possessed take down. What a bunch of wusses these judges are……

  • Nexli B

    I’m actually quite liking PR allstars. The judges are completely meh, but at least not too cracktastic so far. The only bad thing is that so far each episode at least once I’ve thought to myself “I can’t wait to read tomorrow what Tom and Lorenzo thought of – oh :(

  • DeTrop

    I’m not happy with last night’s outcome. Irina should have won. That was a fabulous outfit she made in such a little amount of time. Elena may be talented but she’s a screaming shrew and should be made to work in isolation. How disruptive she is and no one makes her shut up. Where’s Ken when you need him? Jeffrey is very lucky that Daniel doesn’t have his verbal skills. Daniel’s outfit was not the worst one last night but he was never going to win PRAS so it’s better that the weakest goes first.

    On a side note, I find it hard looking at Seth A. His hairstyle takes away from his good looks and I’m so put off. Alyssa Milano looked like a fool in that strapless number at the Museum of Natural History. I’ve seen tweens wearing that dress and she’s got full-on heavy-duty makeup. Who is her stylist? The only thing you can say about ‘The beautiful Georgina’ is that she really is beautiful and should have enough self-assurance not to have it said every time she’s introduced. She looks a fool too. I thought the guest judges were more incisive than Isaac and company. Maybe they should bone up on avant-garde. If you’re going to give out an assignment, at least know what it’s all about.

    I think I’m coming down with a cold. I’ve definitely come down with the grumps!

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      The thought of Ken and Elena in the same work space is unsettling-probably too much so even for Bunim-Murray.

      • alyce1213

        Imagine Sandro and Elena. In the mother tongue.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          And in the same work room-the mind boggles.

        • Carrps

          Well, technically, Russian and Ukrainian are different languages.

          Although I always wondered about Sandro. He seemed more Georgian than Russian to me.

          • alyce1213

            Officially yes, Ukrainian is a separate language, but generally Ukrainians speak and understand Russian as well (Georgians, too). It would be a scream-fest.

    • sisterb67

      Seth Aaron’s new haircut makes me want to cry. He’s so damn adorable, and I hate the weird undershave/mohawky thing he’s got going on now. How I miss the spiky flat-ironed ‘do of his season!

      • Prudentia

        And his eyebrow-drawing skills have somehow diminished this season, too. I agree, he’s so darn good looking but the hair cut and bad eyebrows are not helping. Glad to see his design skills appear intact.

    • Carrps

      I thought the “beautiful” Georgina was looking a little heiferish or was it just the horribly unflattering dress?

      • Lisa_Co

        Since she was pregnant at Sept fashion week, I’m assuming she was pregnant during PRAS.

    • guest2visits

      I ‘m surprised how many liked Seth’s whole look/style…it’s always been a complete turn-off for me. I am unable to process whatever it is he’s done to his brows. I also thought his attempt to dash off stage was very awkward and immature. However, I thought the win for this challenge was between him and Elena. I was pulling for Elena, Viktor or Korto to win this season – but Elena is going to make it VERY hard.
      Agree – how can they keep introducing Georgina this way! It’s kind of insulting.

  • NMMagpie

    Alyssa Milano delights in being a wench. She clearly thinks that “hard edged” commentary makes her some kind of authority.

    That being said, I was completely impressed that Jeffrey defended his design so well after phoning it in. The judges sounded ridiculous when they were critiquing him. Although this season is full of people I didn’t really like the first time around, I find this season is more interesting than I thought it would be.

    I thought Seth Aaron’s look should have gotten more love than it did (and props for his escape run off the runway) and Irina’s design was clearly the winner. I loved the slow burn look on her face.

    Daniel just makes me laugh. Whenever he says “cool” in that deliberate way, you know he’s not getting it. I hope the best for him and it’s good that he’s out of this madness.

    • Elizabeth Szubert

      Seth Aaron’s run off the runway had me laughing so hard. And I completely agree with Jeffrey and the judges sound off about it. I really thought that what they were asking for is more about art and less about wearable.

  • Karen North

    So that black “witch ” coat that Gaga was wearing on yesterdays post. Was it mentioned how much it resembled the coat that Jillian and sour grapes made in the one true avante garde challenge? I know that silhouette is everywhere now including sweaters at Target but I always felt like she got ripped off. Does anyone know what she is up to. I truly loved so many of her later season designs. I never can decide if season one, three or four is my favorite. For design and talent I gravitate towards four but then I fondly remember Jay!! Austin! Wendy? Morgan?! and Laura! Uli! Paris!

    • SouthernGirlRena

      Jillian was one of my all time favorites too. I would love for her to participate in an All Stars but I’m not holding my breath.

    • OrigamiRose

      FYI, every Thursday, Esquire Network runs a mini-marathon of Bravo-era Project Runway seasons. I’ve seen seasons one, two, three and four recently; this coming Thursday (November 7th) it is season three again starting at 9:00 a.m. with the “What the Elle?” challenge. *And* they show the reunions as an added bonus!

      • alyce1213

        Thanks.

  • carolynmo

    The Returned is fantastic!! My husband and I are hooked!

  • guest2visits

    For me, all the designers took their insect inspiration very seriously (except Jeffrey); and a lot of their AG designs turned out to be virtual images of their little beasts. It was a fun idea for a challenge even though not crazy about BUGS. The judges ruled unevenly about what was too fanciful, and what was not enough.
    I had Jeffrey, Daniel, and sadly, Viktor for the bottom looks. Jeffrey’s was by far the worst, in a place all it’s own. It may have been some version of AG but it had nothing to do with his scorpion – it was horribly constructed, awful fabrics, and a truly idiot design that resembled a cheesy, crooked lampshade on legs. Seeing the way it came together at the back convinced me Jeffrey was laughing at this whole challenge. Daniel’s may have been a less inspired brown on brown sort of futuristic nun’s habit, but it wasn’t awful. Viktor’s also struck me as less inspired, but his little creature (a tiny moth?) wasn’t very showy, and his was not an awful look either.
    I had Seth, Elena, and Korto at the top. I hate that Seth did so well in his interpretation. I don’t even know what his bug was. But it looked both buggy and fashionable and had a futuristic AG edge. So a past winner is at the top, again. I liked Elena’s also for the same reason, although it was very close to being a costume of her insect (grasshopper). And I simply liked Korto’s sleek black pantsuit with it’s spiral legs a bit more than Irina’s giant flared centipede skirt. I wished Irina had kept to her sketch – it looked more interesting. And I doubt Mychaels or Melissa’s first designs wouldn’t have done well either; they both looked like good starts and they couldn’t have looked any more like actual insects than Elena’s did.
    I had Irina, Mychael, Christopher and Melissa as safe. Although I really liked what Melissa did and I almost think it should have been in the top. It had a distinct spidery, unusual silhouette and the way she inserted the cut out in the middle and the leggy straps were subtle but a bit unsettling insect parts. I thought the green feathered spot on her back worked out in an odd way, it wasn’t as bad as she thought.

  • lillyvonschtupp

    Who won this season?

  • pismire

    Another enjoyable episode of PR All Stars with half the pleasure coming from how terrible the hostess and judges were. Alyssa Milano and the live insects were in a dead heat for least human life form. I half expected her to unzip from her face down to her crotch and a large appendage waving bug to step out from a pile of skin and clothing. Jennifer Meyer was a judge because she is a fashion icon. Or perhaps because she shills her pedestrian jewelry on QVC (I don’t know that she does, it’s just a guess). Maybe because she comes from a rich and powerful family. No, I’ve got it — Jennifer Meyer was a judge because it was the creepy-crawly inspired challenge and she is married to Spiderman. Whatever the reason, if Jennifer Meyer wants to wear your dress to a premiere you have failed miserably to make something avant-garde. Luckily for Melissa, Daniel’s human vinegarone bug was under-appreciated. I mean, come on people: the man captured in a flowing train the vinegar-scented acid stream that the vinegarone bug shoots out of a gland at the base of its tail. (Alright — I am not sure whether it secretes the stink or shoots out, but I prefer to believe that it shoots it out.) For his inspired stink train and on the basis of his pure, unhinged enthusiasm I wanted to see Richard survive to make another jacket with angular shoulders next week. Fighting his way out of a corner and truly inspired by his scorpion muse, Jeffrey Sebelius nailed a slightly stunned Isac Mizrahi for pointing out how inconvenient a full face hood is at a cocktail party. Of the top 3 looks, I liked Mychael’s the best although Irina’s was an amazing bit of construction. Elena’s antics were so tiresome that it was hard to view her finished piece without negative bias and I was relieved that she was not rewarded for her manipulative hysteria.

    • veriance

      I couldn’t shake the Alyssa Milano as Faye Dunaway playing Joan Crawford while watching. Her eye makeup was all jacked up.

      Jennifer Meyer is anything because her grandpa founded a movie studio. Otherwise she’s completely bland and pointless.

      • alyce1213

        Just a factual correction: Jennifer Meyer is the daughter of Ron Meyer, head of Universal Studios. Her grandfather was an immigrant who escaped Nazi Germany — I don’t think he was even in show business. Not to be confused with Louis B. Mayer, who founded MGM.
        Bland and pointless — yes!

        • veriance

          thank you for the clarification.

        • MaisyMcGregor

          And she’s married to Tobey Maguire, right?

    • GillianHolroyd

      oh, *pedestrian jewelry* is exactly right. The few times I’ve seen it, I’ve been confused by the lavish praise. It reminds me of the pieces that Gretchen made for her final collection in that it looked like the work of an amateur who hasn’t learned any technique and therefore sticks with basic shapes.

      In essense, the accessories version of Anya.

    • Carrps

      Bombardier beetle? I don’t know about the vinegarone, but the BB shoots HOT stink out its ass.

      I can’t hate on Elena. I don’t think she’s manipulative so much as completely without filters. I have a soft spot in my heart (my head?) for her.

      • Eric Stott

        Elena seems like she might be a decent person who badly needs some counseling and a little medication. I’m guessing bipolar disorder at the very least – she swings from a sort of childlike wonder to full on panic- sometimes passing through level headed thinking on the way.

  • cocohall

    Jameson’s Whiskey and Werther’s Original Candies for the throat, Uncles. Much nicer versions of cough syrup and drops. And 2 Emergen-C packs a day per Uncle. Feel better.

    The whole production of PR All-Stars is simply bizarre. I watch and constantly think to myself “well, they’ve edited out EXACTLY the footage that would set-up the coverage of what they DO include. Seth Aaron prancing off the runway, Isaac getting the vapors after his exchange with Jeffrey. Mychael sourcing yards of neoprene out of thin air (did he buy it at mood?) after he abandoned the green dress. It just seems arbitrary or intentionally misleading.

    As for Jeffrey and his compulsive need to remind us that he it has been YEARS since he has had to sew or cut or make anything. Dear boy, that doesn’t make you sound as successful as you seem to think.

    And I also get the strong feeling that the assembled cast including the host, the judges and Zanna and the contestants is all a result of availability and/or whose PR firm is working hardest to get their clients some screen time. All of this including the dreadful QVC wall comes down to advertising and branding. I still get a kick out of seeing what the contestants do with the challenges, but it seems everyone is hoping for their Elizabeth Hasselbeck or Michael Kors moment. Where a reality show launches or boosts a career. (Just to be clear, I’m not endorsing Miss H, but had she not done Survivor would anyone of us know who she was?)

    • Eric Stott

      I think that the green material Mychael bought WAS Neoprene and he just turned it around and used the back, letting the green show in the slashes. The result wasn’t bad- and better than his usual stuff.

      • cocohall

        Oh good eye! But that sort of illustrates my point. Why not devote the 15 seconds to that moment where Mychael realizes he can save his look by reversing his fabric? Because it does some creative thinking to arrive at this solution (or in the case of Elena, a creative model who tells you to reverse the coat). I just enjoy the show more when they show a bit more of the creative process. Although it is a lot to pack into an hour at the beginning of a season when there is still a full workroom. I actually liked his finished look a lot.

        • Carrps

          I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered seeing Mychael deciding the use the reverse side. Maybe there was no verbalizing shown, but I thought we saw it?

          Other than that I agree wholeheartedly that the only reason I got hooked on PR originally was to watch the PROCESS.

          • cocohall

            I’ll have to give it a second look – I do get a little TIVO happy at times and zoom past bits of the actual show when I skip commercials. But yes, the PROCESS, is what is so fascinating. Including recovering from missteps or design dead-ends.

      • Swiftlytiltingplanet

        He said it was Neoprene on the runway.

  • Judy_J

    I’ve been to the bar at the G Hotel, and it is fabulous beyond words.

  • little_miss_strange

    Awww, feel better soon, T Lo! Drink Emergen-C. It really helps. Also ginger tea is good, with some honey. Eat good things. Wishing you luck with your new couch, and also much happiness for your wedding reception!

    Also, just looking at that bar makes me feel slightly intoxicated. Leave it to Ireland.

  • dashransome

    Interesting – that is clearly a knock off, right down to the legs… no wonder Jeffrey was flabbergasted at Mizrahi’s critique

  • decormaven

    Uncles, is there a Korean bath house near you? That might be just the detox ticket.

  • largishbearishAtlish

    I think they goofed doing the seasons so close…20 minutes into it and I was wondering wear the sign language interpreter was… I think we need a cooling off period folks. Anya as a judge? no. Surely they can find some grade C celebrity to be a judge? (or a new movie to hawk (if we have to hear ‘the beautiful Georgina with her new line and new perfume and new bunny rabbit…’ the surely we can hear ‘soon to be in the new hit movie ‘Garfield saves Hollywood’…

  • OrigamiRose

    When Jeffrey Sebelia is eliminated from All-Stars, then I might tune in; however, I cannot with that guy. I’ve been bingeing on season three over the last few hours and just, no. Well before the incident with Angela’s mother, he threw around “feminazi” and “bitch” at Angela and Laura respectively, both of whom had the temerity to speak up for themselves. The females he got along with? Models, who didn’t talk back, and Alison, the baby-talking designer. Pass on watching him in a new incarnation.

    • Jackie4g

      Yes, exactly, but he is a lot older now, and has managed to learn to communicate a bit more effectively. He was condescending and nasty, you’re spot on. It might possibly have caught up with him IRL, because he is behaving, for the moment. This particular series is entertaining, and there are talented people, so maybe just give it a try and hit the mute button when they show Sebelia speaking?

      • Eric Stott

        Sebelia was, is, and always will be an ass, but while his outfit was truly crazy it was actually Avant Garde.

        • Jackie4g

          It was Avant Garde but it wasn’t originally his; he took the outfit from Martin Mariengella (sp?). Read on and look at the link to the design Jeffrey copied – almost line for line.

          • Kathy

            You’d think someone at PRAS would notice that Jeffrey’s design is a knockoff and that it would be auf-worthy.

          • Jackie4g

            Right? Sometimes ot is amazing at how little history or even awareness of the market PR contestants display. If you don’t look at what other designers are doing, it is quite possible to reference their work, and then you are acused of plagarism. If there is nothing new under the sun, and a designer takes a form and says “how can I tweak this to be fresh and modern” – two Project Runway mantras, by the way, then there is a likelihood of the same idea occurring in two places.
            I don’t know that there is a moral, but I would suggest anyone who is in fashion should continuously study fashion history. I know I do, and I just make my money selling doll clothes!

          • Kathy

            I got so upset with Kenley in her season of PR when she copped a ‘tude about that. She behaved as if fashion design didn’t exist before she came along.

            It’s cool that you’re selling doll clothes and that you’re knowledgeable about fashion history. Working on a smaller scale probably presents its own unique challenges.

            I’m into several creative pursuits and can really appreciate the many factors to be considered when making any garment or any other work of art for that matter.

            That’s what got me watching PR: the incredible skill that it takes to understand different types of fabrics and other materials and how they can be made to adorn and accentuate the human body, as well as a means of personal expression.

          • Jackie4g

            In response to Kathy……..’Scuse me borrowing an old time expression, but Kenley behaved like a silly goose on and off screen. That’s the thing with the self-absorbed.
            It’s a seductive idea, that people are hanging on one’s every word, but within the context of a reality TV show, these folks really ought to exercise a little caution, ’cause maybe, just maybe, it’s a set up.

          • OrigamiRose

            What’s funny is that in the first episode of Jeffrey’s original season, the judges bitched and moaned about why he thought anyone would like a high-low hem, and about the woman (who was auf’d) who basically just draped a shower curtain around her model and didn’t really use anything unconventional from the apartment, but then fell over themselves praising and crowning Keith’s dress which had… a high-low hem and was made entirely from a bedsheet.

            In short, the judging has always sucked ;)

          • Kathy

            Amen. Maybe it’s part of some strange formula (to create controversy, drama, etc.), but it would kind of nice if the judges could make an effort at being consistent.

          • Carrps

            There was a comment on another site from someone who claimed to be friends with a substitute cameraperson who said he/she told her that Anya (of all people) called Jeffrey on this. It was edited out of the final broadcast.

          • Kathy

            Now that’s interesting. This is like Watergate. I wanna see the missing minutes.

          • Eric Stott

            doesn’t surprise me.

        • Swiftlytiltingplanet

          Strangely, I’ve always liked him – I think he was “playing the game” before anyone else really started to approach PR that way. This doesn’t excuse his behavior with Angela and Laura, but they were hardly innocent (even Angela’s mother was hugely passive-aggressive).

          I’ve also always really disliked Laura. She has always struck me as a “mean girl” all grown up.

          I know I’m in the minority with both opinions, but such is life. :)

          • OrigamiRose

            I think Wendy Pepper would challenge the notion that Jeffrey was the first to play the game on PR. And Wendy didn’t disparage other designers as “bitches” and “feminazis” along the way.

          • Eric Stott

            I somewhat agree about Laura, but I do admire her personal style.

      • OrigamiRose

        I can’t agree, sorry. Jeffrey was thirty-five, I believe, during his first PR run – old enough to have grown out of the behavior he exhibited. I’m sorry, but the second anyone of any age uses the term “feminazi”? They’ve lost me forever.

        If he appears nicer now, I have no doubt that’s just a strategy.

        • Carrps

          Wish I could give you a gabillion up arrows on this!

    • guest2visits

      He irritated me in his 1st go round. He was all about the big mouth, running other designers down. Until the end when Laura had serious questions about who did all his work. He was suddenly silent. I think he is STILL capable of plenty of BS. In fact; I believe he’s capable of making garbage and fully running out a line about his inspiration knowing full well it was garbage. It was not really any stretch to see his was the worst construction and the worst interpretation. Daniel’s was NOT that bad. They must be keeping him to validate using past winners or for the hopes of future Jeffrey-drama.

  • StillGary

    OK, my husband thinks I’m crazy but chewing (and swallowing) a raw garlic clove totally knocks out anything that might be developing in my throat/resp system. I cut it in half and it is nasty — but it works guys!

  • berlinmama

    PRAS: Anya was a judge???!!!! One judge said she didn’t know what avant-garde meant!!!!!!! Everything they do to Alyssa is SO unflattering! Thank goodness you two nice boys don’t have to suffer through this!

  • berlinmama

    PRAS: Anya was a judge???!!!! One judge didn’t know what ‘avant-garde’ meant!!!!! And the styling/make-up for Alyssa is SO unflattering! Thank goodness you two nice boys don’t have to suffer through this!

  • Prudentia

    Stick with “The Returned”- it is EXCELLENT. (We watched it in the UK!)

    • MilaXX

      Just started watching this over the weekend. So far, it’s interesting.

    • Qitkat

      I’m enjoying it too. Atmospheric, mysterious, well-written, good music, and subtitles. Subtitles always draw me in completely if it’s a good show. Your mind can’t wander off.

  • BobStPaul

    I watched PRAS last night and found it disappointing overall. I was actually looking forward to this season due to certain people being on it. I’d have to echo the comments of others in regards to the judging, Jeffrey, and Elena (I’d forgotten just how incredibly annoying she is). The absolute worst thing about this particular episode was Anya as a judge – every time she made a comment I wanted to throw something at the screen, knowing there wasn’t a single garment shown on the runway that she would have been capable of sewing. Between the “tremendously successful” Anya, the judge who’d wear a supposedly avant garde outfit to a cocktail party, and Isaac having the vapors it was a real snooze fest.

  • MaisyMcGregor

    Hey, guys, is there a chance the lounge could be opened on Thursday to start the weekend live-bitching? I’m sure the board would’ve lit up after ANYA was brought in to judge the work. I know it made me furious.

    • OrigamiRose

      But wasn’t Anya a judge during the Dmitry season as well? (Not saying she should ever be a judge, just I don’t think it is the first time she’s been trotted out as if she has any expertise to offer.)

      • MaisyMcGregor

        That was different. She wasn’t critiquing previous winners or previous finalists.

        • OrigamiRose

          Fair enough. Then again, she’s critiquing a season that is sponsored by QVC and Mary Kay. Six on one hand…

          • MaisyMcGregor

            Six on one hand – isn’t that the name of her sex tape? LOLOLOLOL

          • OrigamiRose

            *Joan Holloway snort*

            ^5

    • Eric Stott

      Yes- please sirs may we have a lounge?

    • Swiftlytiltingplanet

      Indeed, the yelling at the TV was not nearly as satisfying!

  • MaisyMcGregor

    I was trying to put my rage into words about Anya when I saw this reply elsewhere to the question of why Anya was getting no respect (it’s slightly edited):

    “In the eyes of this PR fan, she will be forever tainted by the fact that she was handed the win on a silver platter. Not only could she barely sew her own garments (which is a requirement of the competition), B/M manipulated her win with the magic trip to Mood. It was a big fuck-you. Letting her judge the All-Stars work sends the signal that she’s better than them which is disgusting. And I blame her because she took the gig which means she has no shame. So the chances of her gaining my respect EVER is zero.”

  • LadyCelia

    It looked to me like A.M. was attempting to channel Maria Callas. As to avante garde *cue Inigo Montoya* “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

  • PastryGoddess

    Hello All,

    It’s NaNoWriMo this month and I am so far behind it’s not even funny. That being said, I made it back from Vegas with none of my money and a clean arrest record. Yay!

    • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

      You NaNoWriMo participants are crazyballs. Welcome home, glad you survived. You didn’t come home married to Ashton Kutcher did you? Because I’ve seen how that goes down, and it’s terrible!

      • PastryGoddess

        No marriages, I was there for a training and was bored out of my mind.

        That being said, the Chandelier Bar at the Cosmo is still amazing and the drinks were stiff

        • Stubenville

          Love, love, love the Chandelier Bar. It’s probably my second favorite LV hotel bar after the Wynn Parasol Down with the delightfully cheesy Lake of Dreams performances.

          • PastryGoddess

            oooh I totally forgot about the Wynn. Guess I’ll have to go back to visit

    • MilaXX

      what fandom do you write in? Where’s your fic posted?

      • PastryGoddess

        I don’t write fandom. I’m currently writing a paranormal shifter romance AND A fantasy novel from last year.

  • NYCGlamourpuss

    Feel better, TLo, and hope you had a blast at your reception!

    Listen, boys, I know you’ve sworn off PRAS this season, but you really really missed a wonderful smackdown from Jeffrey Sebelia at Isaac Miz. It was just glorious, and right on the runway during judging. Jeffrey not only defended his garment, but he handed Isaac his ass!

  • CatherineRhodes

    TLO, can the kittens send you a gift for your nuptials? Honestly, you’ve given me so much pleasure over the years that I’d like to send some love back your way.

    • little_miss_strange

      You could buy their book, that’d be an excellent way of thanking them. :)

  • cocohall

    He is a naughty boy. That is far too close a match to be accidental. Thank you for posting the link. I find him tiresome and self-satisfied, but now I can add loathsome to the list.

  • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

    Oh y’all! Do you have NUVO channel? Because you could be watching Jenifer Lopez: Her Life. Her Journey. It is fabulous and delightfully full of holes (read reality). So much great lighting.

    • OrigamiRose

      *laughs*

      Funny you should mention J-Lo and lack of reality, I was just watching the PR5 finale, which I have not watched since whenever it first aired. Amazingly, I did not remember AT ALL that she flaked out as the guest judge due to an alleged “foot injury.”

  • Kathy

    Thank you Uncles for this wonderful place where we BKs can be BKs. Your hilarious commentary, and that of the other BKs, has made me laugh out loud, and that is priceless.

    I hope you’re feeling 100% better soon and that your wedding is everything you desire.

  • PaulRin

    If you guys ever catch the thread “Outfit Lookalikes” in FashionSpot forum, you will die of second-hand embarrassment for Issac. This dude has to be the most shameless designer in the fashion history. He copied 95% of an outfit and does that to so many fashion houses that I just couldn’t believe it.

    • Fordzo

      Which sub forum is it in?

      • PaulRin

        Designers & Collections. The thread is “Outfit Lookalikes” :)

  • frannyprof

    I know I”m late to the party re: PR All Stars commentary, but I’m liking it so far. Maybe because my expectations are so so so so so so so so loooooooooooow for that show. But Alyssa is a surprisingly good host, and, with the exception of Irinya, most of the contestants are acting professional and keeping the drama to a minimum. Loved that Jefferey called Isaac out on the whole cocktail party comment. Seriously. Who wears avant-garde to a cocktail party?!

    • Qitkat

      I think you probably mean Elena. She is the one who lost her design in Mood and whined and freaked out and talked incessantly for the rest of the episode.

    • MilaXX

      Exactly. Isaac should have been embarrassed for that.

      • leonps

        Isaac was weak and looked like a bully that backed off when challenged. Given Jeffrey’s work, Isaac should have had plenty of ammunition to explain why Jefferey’s model would need a drink. Also, I don’t think anyone helped Isaac when he asked for help. I found that odd.

        • MilaXX

          Isaac was wrong and I lol’d that the other judges, (or the editors) left him hanging like that.

  • tired_mommy

    Wow–kudos to you for catching this! Jeffery’s is a total knock-off–and not a very good one at that!

  • OrigamiRose

    I found myself curious about why, again, PR left Bravo – it’s been a while and the details have faded – and found this little gem from an EW article in 2008:

    “One source familiar with the negotiations argues that Bravo was damaging the Runway brand by airing too many repeats of the show and surrounding it with copycat series like Top Design, Tim Gunn’s Guide to Style, and Make Me A Supermodel.”

    Yes, far better to run the brand into the ground with excessive, intrusive and irrelevant sponsorships, plugs and product placements. Well done, Lifetime.

    • Trickytrisha

      I’m just waiting for them to get a feminine product placement challenge. Maxi pads, pantyliners, tampons… they all seem viable materials for a stunning little dress or jacket, don’tcha think?

      • OrigamiRose

        Touche! And Ven did produce what Tim called “an homage to a menstrual cycle.” Why not take it a step further? :)

    • MilaXX

      I think that is BS. I think it came down to money like most things do. The brand was damaged with Models of the Runway, Project Runway Accessories, a feeble attempt to move the show to LA and silly “All Stars” season, and obvious manufactured drama from hiring “types” over actual designers.

      • OrigamiRose

        Exactly. And they were trying to copy themselves right out of the box. Remember “Project Jay”?

    • Sheokaf

      I call BS too, if I remember correctly Bravo’s contract ran out and PR was courted by Lifetime and took it, hence Bravo sued claiming the show wouldn’t be anything without their editing, et al and B/M got pissed, fought it and then there was the LA season which was a joke, Iriana’s win, back to NY and they sold out long ago. Correct me if I’m wrong.

      • OrigamiRose

        Ugh. The L.A. season! *screams*

      • Lisa_Co

        The Magical Elves produced the Bravo years of PR. B-M took over when the show moved to Lifetime.

  • Stubenville

    I keep confusing Zanna with the gal selling Cottonelle “personal wipes” on TV. Must be the accent.

    [eyeroll]

    • MilaXX

      Hate the cottenelle chick almost as much as I hate those darn bears.

  • http://dontmakeitlikeimdumb.blogspot.com/ annabelle archer

    I don’t watch The Walking Dead but I can see from my facebook, strange things are afoot at The Circle K. Hope y’all aren’t losing your shit.

    • MilaXX

      I may be in the minority, but I am loving badass Carol. Can’t wait for the post tomorrow! Need to rewatch.

  • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

    Aw you guys Witches of East End is so cheesy but it just legit made me tear up.

  • Fordzo

    Is anyone watching Homeland? WTF? How can Carrie be hiding a pregnancy? They would have done a freaking pregnancy test in the psych hospital. That better be Quinn’s baby.

    • MilaXX

      Homeland is disappointing to me this season. I was out earlier so I’m drinking wine and playing catch up now so haven’t seen this week’s ep, but I’m confused about when this double spy scheme was hatched between Carrie & Eli, I’m also confused as to why we are yet again being subjected to yet another of Dana’s ill fated teen romances. Her character is only interesting to me when she is interacting with her father. I also HATE how Carrie is being left out there high and try by everyone. It’s starting to feel like the writer’s are just creating excuses to have Claire Danes contort her face and cry. Instead of feeling like an interesting performance, it feels like a cheap trick to lure the audience in.

      • Fordzo

        Oh, if you’re sick of Dana’s shit, just wait til you see this episode. It was so stoopid last week when Dana’s mother (yes, after 3 seasons I still don’t remember her name because the character interests me that little) showed up at Carrie’s house for help in locating her daughter. Really? REALLY?

        And Saul’s wife…

        And the new chick…

        And Brody…how’d he get out of Canada?

        And, and…

        • MilaXX

          yeah I watched. You forgot to add Carrie’s nasty drawer of used pregnancy test sticks. How does that not stink to the high heavens? You pee on that.

          • Fordzo

            Not only that, but after a few hours, the tests no longer read positive. As someone who pee’d on a lot of sticks while attempting to get pregnant, it further depletes my suspension of disbelief.

  • Sheokaf

    I could watch a 30 min show with just Seth Aaron.

  • neofashionista

    hope you are feeling better
    Just wanted to say Thank you for your suggestion to watch Witches of East End,
    I binge watched all 5 episodes and it is really campy cute and entertaining
    Great cast too.

  • simone_says_so

    Actually, I read that the producers cut part of the judging in which Anya pointed out that Jeffrey’s design was a ripoff of Maison Martin. So… they did know, and still chose not to boot him.