on Sep 6, 2013 in Whiteboard
Nicholas K Spring 2014 Collection
[Photo Credit: IMAXtree.com]
No one has a waist anymore? I’m trying but these aren’t doing it for me… not my thing
Most of these would get ripped apart on PR… oh wait. They look like they already are.
How very District 12.
I was thinking Abnegation.
WIN! Though don’t know if Tris would ever wear the cowl neck plunging to her belly button.
There’s some rich Hippies in the sweat lodge tonight, Lone Ranger.
J Depp Resort Collection 2014??? Sans wind chimes of course
These is the best conglomeration of all the thoughts I had when looking at this collection.
Why is everything so shapeless?
Nothing but stank boot as far as the eye can see…
Tonto meets tacky, ugh..
I kinda like it, well except for the feathered headbands. It is hippie meets Native that doesn’t feel like he is exploiting the culture, well except for the feather headbands.
What all the fashion victims will be wearing at Burning Man.
Ok, I call “Uncle”! They are messing with us, right? These aren’t really designer clothes, are they? Cause they look like the rags I won’t send to the Salvation Army, the ones I keep under my sink to use to clean up the dog pee. Horrid.
Now this is draping gone wrong. HATE the head wear and dislike most of the footwear.
I can’t imagine gravitating toward any of this on the rack at Barneys or whoever carries this line. I’m sure it’s lux and lovely but it’s also dull and frumpy (just like me!)… hate the styling of course too
Darling, no one reading this blog is dull and frumpy! I may not be the fashionable male, but it associating with the blog, makes you 10x more fashionable then this collection!
Thank you Darling! I’m feeling more fashionable by the minute!
I might buy it, if I had an extra couple grand to drop on sleepwear with a dash of Derelicte.
That’s a bit much for something you’ll throw on before bed and then throw on the bathroom floor before a shower.
Vanessa Hudgens will be all over this!
That’s so true…and so sad. These clothes will eat her alive.
The good news is that those slouchy, tie-on boots would actually fit over my enormous calves. However, you couldn’t pay me to wear them.
All of the models look like they’ve been punched in both eyes. The clothes appear to be for the frumpy desert housewife and her frumpy sullen teenagers.
They don’t look too pleased to be in this show either. Definitely not good for the career.
Especially some of the guys. Like they had to be physically wrestled into the outfits.
Prince Droopykhakipants and Princess Feathermewinddancer would like to extend an invitation to you to attend their annual costume ball. This year’s theme is a loosely structured homage to native peoples of the hippie nation of Sowhatdafukkarulookinat. No one will be admitted who has not created their own costume from scratch. Suggested products include: the sheets off your teenager’s bed, the dog’s blanket, old worn out shoes and boots, army blankets from WWI, torn sweatshirts, ripped up towels from your rag pile, curtains from the thrift store. Do NOT forget your feathers. Absolutely NO ONE will be admitted without a feather element. We look forward to seeing you at our party. Please RSVP with the enclosed swiffer sheet, roll it around a used toilet paper roll, and stick a stamp on it. The USPS will be thrilled to process something other than boring envelopes. Do NOT forget your feathers!
Also, you will not be admitted if your ensemble reflects actual knowledge and respect for Native Americans and First Nations peoples. Remember, the key is merge all these traditions into one trend to make you fab-u-lous!
I can’t get beyond the PochaHotMess styling.
Nice to see POC but this racist as fuck. And sans headgear it’s just blanket fort chic.
Also those are some ugly ass shoes.
Oh, hell, this isn’t racist. It’s just ugly.
Cultural appropriation is a form of racism.
And one can take political correctness to extremes. I just don’t see racism here, at all.
Pointing out racism in appropriating native culture in fashion week is not political correctness, it is tact.
You know, just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. The cultural appropriation going on here is so ridiculous that I didn’t even notice the clothes, to be honest.
Same here. After that first glimpse of wild turkey feathers, it’s all I could see.
You need to do some more reading, then.
I don’t need total strangers telling me what I should or should not be reading. You don’t know spit about me. I’m a well-educated, well-read woman who has been around a block or two. I expressed an opinion that apparently is shared with very few others on this blog. Fine. I’m a big girl. I can take it. And I’m not going to debate it, as I’ve already said.
Perhaps you need to realize that this sounds condescending and rude. I do hope you didn’t mean it that way.
Are you leaving the conversation or not? Because you adamantly insist, any time someone tries to seriously engage you here, that you don’t like how you’re being condemned and you don’t think this is the forum to discuss this topic and you haven’t learned anything, claiming that you’re done with it – and then you keep coming back to snark at people/
It wasn’t snark.
And this isn’t either:
It strikes me that it has been most unfortunate that this has taken place during Fashion Week, as I realize you have so very much that needs your attention. I do sincerely apologize for my part in the disruption of your work.
You don’t have to apologize.
You might not, but many many many others do. And their opinions on the matter are important, believe it or not.
I never said that others’ opinions were not important. Never.
Yes the collection is appropriation (the feather in the headbands, especially), but I have seen it done where it is more overt.
Um, so? Sorry, I don’t mean to be rude, I just don’t know what you’re getting at here.
I agree with you, Qitkat. I would also add derivative, shapeless, boring, and colorless, just for effect.
Bexxx , VioletFem, sleepycat, ankali
Whenever terms such as “racism” and “cultural appropriation” are used, a highly charged atmosphere results. People are very sensitive to these issues, and rightly so. As far as using the word racist, or racism, I think some of us here have different definitions. My definition of racism includes denying persons housing, or job opportunities, or schooling, based solely on their skin color; preventing people from having opportunities that they are qualified for except for having a different skin color; denying persons entrance or use of facilities or transportation, based only on their skin color; burning crosses on front lawns of homeowners of people of color while dressed in hooded garments designed to disguise identities of perpetrators; inflicting rape and criminal acts and slavery upon persons of different skin color. Racism can occur in whites against blacks, blacks against whites, native peoples against one another, whites and blacks against native peoples, people of Asian backgrounds against one another, whites and blacks against Asians, and so on. I am being very specific here, because in general to me racism involves cruelty and deprivation of human, social and civil rights. That is why I do not see racism in this collection.
As far as using the term cultural appropriation, this is not a term I use. I believe that artists, designers, dancers, craftspeople, singers, chefs, and creative persons of all types, have for centuries appreciated the works of other cultures around the world, and have been inspired by motifs and techniques which they have wished to use themselves. I don’t believe that Native Americans are the only people with a right to use feathers, I don’t believe that only people of Celtic descent are allowed to use their beautiful designs, I don’t believe that the only people who are allowed to wear dreadlocks are North Africans and Rastafarians, I don’t believe that the only people allowed to wear sari fabrics are people born in the Indus River Civilization. I could go on and on.
Perhaps this comes down to beliefs, but more probably down to much more complex issues. I believe that almost everyone who uses an element that originated in another civilization is using it because it is beautiful, or striking, or useful, or inspiring, and have not the slightest intent of disrespect. The world is a melting pot; we all come in contact with people and cultures far different from our own on a basis never even dreamed of 100 years ago. Many of us find elements to admire, and yes, mimic, or alter from these different cultures. I am not offended by this.
History, ideology, privilege, colonialism, indigenous culture, context, stereotypes, entitlements, all of these topics can be debated in college curriculums, and in conversations extending far beyond what is appropriate to do so here. There will always be disagreements on these topics. Perhaps someone is proud to show acceptance and support for other cultures. Perhaps diversity can be valued and honored. It could be seen as a sign of progress in celebrating what other cultures hold in esteem. Perhaps new, lesser charged language terms can be found and used.
This collection to me seems rather superficial, with a silly use of feathers. It wasn’t done very well, or cleverly, but I don’t think it was intended to be offensive.
Seriously, kudos! I would give you more likes if I could. You couldn’t have said it any better. Also, see my response to your earlier comment.
Racism also involves the othering of people from cultures not your own. Do you honestly see pride in acceptance for other cultures in this collection? I’m seeing redface. You might not use the term cultural appropriation, but it is certainly a term that can be used here.
It doesn’t mean you can’t be inspired by other cultures. It does mean that it should be done with insight, information and sensitivity towards all of the things that you think are the preserve of college curricula.
I don’t understand the term othering.
I believe you misunderstood my reference to college curriculums, I was only trying to point out that this blog may not be the best forum for a lengthy discussion of the topics, not that the topics are exclusive to discussions in higher education.
This blog is highly appropriate for these types of conversations. If someone wants to talk, then let them talk. Apparently you feel that you have some authority to direct the discussion here, but I’m not quite understanding why.
This is a misreading of my remarks. I have no authority here, none at all. I have taken myself out of the conversation, and others may continue to post as they wish. I have participated in the past in other lengthy conversations, on other topics. Everyone else is free to say whatever they wish. I just don’t wish to be a part of this one any further, for my own reasons.
Perhaps if you’d do a little research on the dismay that many Native Americans feel when confronted with the inappropriate and insensitive use of their traditional dress and way of life by non Native Americans… well, perhaps you might understand why this is offensive, intended or not.
If you’re a designer and are going to use a treasured symbol such as the feather in this manner, you’d damned well better be prepared for backlash.
I seriously offered my opinion, in what I hoped was a respectful and sensitive manner. I did not design this collection; I don’t admire it, but I’m not standing in racial or cultural appropriational condemnation on it either. Perhaps your comments would be better sent directly to Nicholas K. If you truly want to change how people design, and what is appropriate and sensitive use of traditional themes, then contact the ones who are currently offending you, and suggest research to them. I don’t intend to defend him, the backlash ought to go to them, not me. But I still don’t believe that Native Americans are the only people who ought to be permitted to use beads and feathers and fur and deerskin, and weave rugs and throw pottery and carve totems. If I decide I wish to use something that might be controversial in my own design and artwork, I’m not going to seek your permission, but I will do my own research as is relevant. I do have integrity that way.
I’m not going to wade into a debate on the topic any further. Let’s just agree to differ. We’re all bitter kittens here, and I want to get along.
“because in general to me racism involves cruelty and deprivation of human, social and civil rights. ”
That’s an extremely limiting definition of racism which coincidentally absolves most of humanity from being accused of it.
What about all the other very specific things I said about racism? I disagree with one person on here initially, and try to give a thoughtful, reasoned rebuttal, and all this backlash rains down on me? Did I say nothing else which has validity? I have been here a long time. If you ever read my comments, you know that I am one of the most serious commenters on here. I don’t go out of my way to antagonize other posters. My snarkiness is mild compared to many others. I am not a disrespectful, belittling person. I don’t have any racism in me that I know of. So I haven’t studied racism or Native American culture. How many on here have? I have however known a number of Native Americans, and Blacks, and Asians. No one has ever told me I have been offensive. It seems as if others here are trying to school me in something that is my opinion, my opinion about design, on a blog critiquing fashion design. The majority of us are amateurs here, with opinions. None of you know me. I have never in my entire life been accused of being this ignorant or racist. Since I apparently am, give me a lesson then.
I come on here for fun, just like most everyone else. But this condemnation of me, from folks who have never met me, is undeserved.
Whoa. Where on earth are you seeing condemnation? I don’t agree with your definition of racism. I find it limiting. That’s it. If you don’t want to be part of conversations like these, you shouldn’t really jump into them, but as far as I can tell, no one here called you a racist.
Fair enough. For the record, I did not intend to give a definition of racism. It was an opinion, a limited, not all-inclusive opinion. But I still don’t know anymore about racism than I did before this conversation started. I never intended to start a dialogue on it either. I would rather talk about design. Clearly this discussion on a design blog showcases how sensitive a topic it continues to be, with very heated opinions. I would be happy to have a conversation in person on this topic, but it’s just too difficult on the internet, so I really don’t have anything else to say here.
“But I still don’t know anymore about racism than I did before this conversation started”
Well no offense, but you got defensive and ran away from the conversation because people weren’t agreeing with you. That’s not exactly conducive to learning.
Look, that’s entirely your right. I’m not trying to drag you back into this conversation against your will, but that sentence of yours I just quoted rubbed me the wrong way, as if you were saying it’s the internet’s fault that you haven’t learned anything about racism here.
No. I’m being defensive because I’m being told what to think, by total strangers, who apparently don’t think that anything I originally posted has any merit either. So it never did turn into a conversation. I haven’t learned anything new here, or heard anything new here, that I haven’t already ever heard about racism. Not blaming the internet. But it has certainly taught me that this is not the forum where I am comfortable discussing such a volatile topic. I am taking myself out of the discussion, because I don’t want to be a part of it here. You can call it running away, or whatever you like. It’s just gone so far beyond my comfort zone that I am leaving. Period.
No. Of course I’m not blaming the internet. I’m frustrated that apparently I’m expressing myself poorly, so that total strangers don’t think that anything I originally posted has any merit. I’m leaving the conversation because this is not a forum where I am comfortable discussing such a volatile topic. You can call it running away, or whatever you like. It’s just gone so far beyond my comfort zone that I don’t want to be a part of it here. I don’t like feeling angry, defensive, and confrontational. This is not productive, and informative to me. If everyone else disagrees, so be it. I intend to reclaim my sense of calmness, and dignity, and go back to being the thoughtful, intelligent, tolerant person I know myself to be.
No. If it sounds like I’m saying it’s the internet’s fault, then I really am expressing myself poorly. I’m being defensive because I’m being told what to think, by total strangers, who apparently don’t think that anything I posted has any merit. So it never did turn into a conversation. I haven’t learned anything new here, or heard anything new here, that I haven’t already ever heard about racism.
You can call it running away, or whatever you like. But this is not the forum where I am comfortable discussing such a volatile topic. I don’t like feeling angry and defensive, and being confrontational. I’m taking myself out of this because I need to reclaim my calm, and dignity, and sense of my better self.
“I’m being defensive because I’m being told what to think, by total strangers, who apparently don’t think that anything I posted has any merit”
You made statements and other people disagreed with them. Welcome to the internet.
“Make Friends With Feathers” is the giant front page fashion-week headline in today’s Wall Street Journal “Off Duty” section. “In truth, feathers positively flew through a good number of fall collections.” “Eternal for some, fleeting for others.” Certainly this collection is in the latter category.
Show me a bird with pretty feathers, and I will show you a culture who adorned themselves with it.
They played Native American chanting during the runway show.
Yeah, I know. Subtle it was not.
Clothes for suicidal mental patients with body image issues.
At first I laughed manically, but then when I went back and started to mentally pull the outfits apart, there are some interesting pieces in this collection.
I’d actually take one of every single woman’s jacket
The first few sets of boy clothes have some interesting pieces but overall, that’s a whole lotta ‘meh’ going on.
Seriously? Designers are just fucking with me now. This is preposterous. All of it.
Ninth row from the bottom is the only row that doesn’t look bad. The Indian feathers offend me.
Can we it with the hipster Native American Schtick.
Ugh. Looks like the perfect wardrobe for wintering in Somalia.
Not a single thing that stood out to me. Guess it’s not my thing.
All shapeless sacks. Not a fan. And I really, REALLY hate the styling.
The mental hospital collection, made especially for the wing where everybody has delusions of Pocohantas and Sacajawea.
Seriously did Will Ferrell’s character, Mugatu, from Zoolander design this collection is it Daralict 2014?
The styling especially the make-up was so ugly I barely saw the baggy unflattering clothes.
jesus be a damn fence…can the hipsters stop with this shit already?
Well, this will all make lovely costuming for a Joan of Arc miniseries done in that patented “anachronistic but still vaguely historial-looking” BBC style.
Glamping with Tonto?
…. they literally painted their faces red….. *facepalm*
Depression expressed in fabric.
Someone likes baggy.
This would be my favorite collection I’ve seen this year so far if it didn’t have the feathers.
I love the really loose, drape-y, easy, breezy silhouettes. I really really really really want all those pairs of mens’ pants.
These all look like the costumes from Road Warrior.
So, in the future, everyone will have conjunctivitis and no waistline. Great.
This is like fashion depression. Prozac Chic?
Ugh, the feathered headbands. Why not just use a Redskins logo on each piece?
Well, scrolling through the collection wasted five minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
Seriously? Feathers in their hair?
I think perhaps it was a last ditch effort to make the collection interesting. NOT RIGHT on so many levels.
Someone thinks that the ‘Princess Tigerlily’ headbands are ok? In 2013?
wtf? crazy-ass feather headband. quit it.
Those clothes look like beggar’s rags.
Project Runway unconventional materials challenge: bed sheets, tents, blankets and parachutes.
Here save some money. You can get the same look by buying a racist Halloween “Indian” feather headband and buying outsize clothes at your local Goodwill.
As a Jicarilla Apache person, what I’m most saddened by is this sort of ignorance is still so acceptable in 2013. Trust me, you will NEVER see an Apache person who would ever want to look this stupid.
Not my color palette. Rather, not my ‘non-color’ palette.
I just don’t get this.
The spice must flow.
just awful and linabelle agrees. even a five year old knows ugly clothes when she sees them.
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