Mad T LOunge

Posted on June 09, 2013

joan paul

Darlings, it’s a sunny (where we are) Sunday evening (as we post this). What better time to head to P.J. Clarke’s with the gang and maybe do some twisting with your last mistake?

Ah, the good old days of Mad Men, when Paul had a job, everyone was terrified of Joan, and Harry burst into tears at the thought of cheating on his wife.

So here’s the as-per-usual obtuse and mostly useless preview for tonight’s episode.

So of course, after six seasons of obtuse, ultimately useless previews, this is the season where everyone decided to comb them for clues and hidden meanings, as if this show had turned into Twin Peaks somehow. Somehow, the above preview got spun into a theory that Megan Draper is already dead. We’re not even going to attempt to explain it. It’s easily google-able. It’s all over the place.

Can you tell we’re kind of over the wild theorizing this season? We don’t begrudge anyone watching this show in whichever manner that appeals to them, even if it means spinning out wild theories just for the fun of it. We think it tends to miss the point of the show, which is found in its subtlety, ambiguity, and multi-layered approach to telling a story, but people are, of course, free to approach a TV show in any way that entertains them and to bring those points of view to any conversation about it. It’s just not our thing; not with this show. It feels like a terrible fit to us.

 

 

[Video Credit: AMC - Still: tomandlorenzo.com]

    • HuevosBenedicto

      I think it’s a testament to the show that such crazy theories can be made, and be made plausible. While it most probably isn’t true, the theory is there and reading it did raise the hairs on the back of my head.

      • Topaz

        My only concern with people spinning these mad theories is that they’re going to be really disappointed when the big reveal is just us learning more about the characters and what makes them tick. For example, I find Bob Benson fascinating because he’s fascinating. I want to know more about how he’s lived and why that makes him behave the way he does. For me it’s only tangentially important how that impacts any wider plot arcs on the show. And really, I expect it won’t. He doesn’t have any power yet in this world. I don’t think us, as viewers, knowing more about him will make any difference to any of the characters in this fictional universe. Just as the revelation of Ginsberg’s origins only had a passing impact on Peggy, but continues to rock us as we observe his emotional problems this year, because we empathise with him so deeply. Just as everyone has forgotten about Sal, but we just can’t forgive Don for firing him.

        • Violina23

          Yeah, kinda like the last season of LOST, I don’t think anyone was going to be truly satisfied with however the writers choose to end things (both the season and the series).

          Although to be fair, LOST was tailor made for wild theories, whereas with Mad Men, it really does feel like a symptom of the show’s longevity and popularity at this point. I mean, clearly Bob Benson was added to the story for a reason, just not necessarily for the dramatic reason people want to believe.

          • Topaz

            Oh wow, I actually just took the time to really read the thinking behind this “Megan is dead” theory. I wonder where people got the idea that this is how the Mad Men writers operate or that this is that type of show. Could it be evidence of wheel-spinning on the show itself this year – that people don’t feel that there’s enough real content to sink their teeth into so they’re trying to grab some out of the air? Personally I’ve been enjoying everything except Don’s endless moping, but maybe others feel differently.

            • Violina23

              When Mad Men wants to shock us, it’s something completely random, like someone getting their leg chopped off by a lawnmower, or Peggy stabbing Abe with a bayonet, not an “I see dead people” moment.

              I only got into Mad Men last year (and devoured seasons 1-5 just in time for the last 2 episodes of Season 5) so this is the first season I’m watching “with the fans”, but I’m soaking it all up — some episodes are better than others, but it’s still so much above pretty much everything else on TV I’ve tried to get into lately… I don’t mind at all. Wish there were more than 3 episodes left!

    • beebee10

      I love those episodes where Joan was the queen bee…and P.J. clark makes a mean cocktail. I’m in!

    • Cheryl

      If it’s September 1968, I’ll be starting my sophomore year of college. I predict by October, I’ll be sporting an engagement ring. That’s all I got.

      • Latin Buddy

        You were in college in 1968?! Such a scary/uncertain/chaotic/? time.

    • DogintheParthenon

      The 11th episode of each season is usually one of high drama: “The Other Woman,” in which Joan sleeps with the Jag exec and Peggy exits SCDP, “Chinese Wall,” in which Don sleeps with Megan for the first time, “The Gypsy and the Hobo,” in which Betty confronts Don with her knowledge of his past. My friends, I think we are in for a wild ride this evening, and I am looking forward to every minute of it! Well… Except for the commercials…

      • Topaz

        I’m definitely expecting something major. I’d like it to be Megan telling Don to go do one, but I definitely didn’t feel that vibe last week. Something pretty incredible would have to happen at this point for her to feel able to walk away feeling empowered.

      • AnneElliot

        This is why I always watch Game of Thrones and save Mad Men, then fast-forward through all the commercials. My DVR has spoiled me, I can’t watch live TV any more and sit through all the ads.

    • MartyBellerMask

      As always, I will be watching online tomorrow morning (no AMC). Tonight though, I’ll enjoy some Tonys. :)

      • Munchkn

        I’m afraid if I start watching the Tonys I’ll get so involved I’ll miss the first airing of Mad Men and won’t be able to catch till the post-midnight airing. I wish they’d not started airing a repeat of that night’s ep of The Killing instead of Mad Men. As a critic put it, The Killing is like watching an episode of L&O: SVU that lasts 26 hours. Am currently watching The Lavender Hill Mob on TCM. It’s over at 9:30.

        • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

          I love Lavender Hill! Alec Guinness was wonderful.

    • DesertRodent

      Joan is one of my favorite characters, because, at least early on in the series, she was always one of the savviest ad-biz people in the room, but few people looked past her body to see that. In later seasons however, we’ve been shown some of her limitations, and they are true to the times. I’m looking forward to seeing her figure out the exit from this latest mire she’s landed in. Maybe she’ll sprout wings and fly out?
      Anticipation.

      • Topaz

        Joan had some serious copywriting chops too. Remember when she helped Peggy with her roommate ad?

        • PowerfulBusiness

          That’s right! That “ad” for Peggy’s apartment was some of the best writing on Mad Men – ever. Just epic.

          • Topaz

            “Fun-loving girl, responsible sometimes. Likes to laugh, lives to love. Seeks size 6 for city living and general gallivanting. No dull moments or dull men tolerated…or something like that.”

            The look on Peggy’s face while she’s speaking is perfect too. I’ve had that feeling when non-writer friends of mine say something amazing and I just think “no matter how long I do this, and how hard I push myself, I’ll always know they were the one who said THAT.”

      • AutumnInNY

        I love Joan too. One of my very favorite Joan moments ever is of her is leading that conga line at the Christmas party where the Lucky Strike guy was so mean to Roger. She is dancing her heart out in all her pure “Joan-ness”. Just a classic MM moment and so much fun.

      • Chris

        I think one of the most prophetic lines Joan has ever uttered was to Peggy, but she didn’t dream it was really applicable to her instead. After Peggy gets promoted Joan says “sometimes when people get what they want, they realize how limited their goals were.”

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      “spinning out wild theories just for the fun of it” I miss Lost pre-final season.

    • editrixie

      God knows I love to speculate about my shows, but the stuff people are coming up with this year is CRAY-CRAY.

    • Chris

      Here are my predictions based on the preview: Arnold Rosen shows up at Don’s door, Peggy and Ted are drinking (celebrating?) something, we get a peek at Ted’s house/apartment and maybe his relationship with Nan, and we get to see Betty (yay). Just on the basis of this I’m excited for tonight. I do not however, think Megan is a ghost but I appreciate the creativity that goes into these theories. It keeps me entertained during the week between shows seeing what people dream up.

    • geans

      Question for New Yorkers of a certain age: I was wondering how city-living Don gets to work. Would someone like him drive? Take cabs everyday? Walk? I don’t think they ever show…

      Just a nice practical question amid all the wild theory. :)

      • vivian

        bus or subway for sure

      • Cheryl

        He must have a parking space in his building (or nearby) since we know he has his own car; many NYers don’t even have cars, but we’ve seen Don in his many times. As for work? Maybe bus, but I don’t think we’re supposed to think that. (Definitely not the subway!) Either cabs or maybe a car service?

        • vivian

          Bus either Madison or lex. Believe me.

          • Topaz

            I just can’t imagine Don on a bus.

      • TigerLaverada

        I was a Manhattan denizen in that period. Being a bigshot I’d say he took a cab and put it on his expense account. People I knew with cars used them for trips off the island rather than daily driving, keeping them in commercial garages for a monthly fee. Parking in NYC was so difficult (and probably still is) that unless your workplace had dedicated parking spots it was an exercise in frustration to drive yourself.

        It’s true that since they lived on the Upper East Side, it would have been a simple subway ride to the office. But Don doesn’t strike me as the subway type.

      • DeniseSchipani

        Oh, I’d say probably a cab. He’s Upper East Side, so walking to midtown is not something he’d do, and depending on how far east his apartment is, he’s far from the subway. He could also drive, I might think.

        • Cheryl

          He’s on Park Avenue. I’m not sure there was available parking on Madison, maybe he rented a spot near the office? Don Draper definitely doesn’t do buses.

          • vivian

            nobody drove to work in manhattan, and people who looked like him took busses and subways all the time, to work.

      • ailujailuj

        Back in “the day”, NYC traffic was pretty different. I posted on a different MM blog that I always thought it was strange that Don would drive home to Betty for dinner then go back into the city for another hour of work or so (today, the Ossining-to-UES drive is over an hour). But I’m pretty sure the mm (mere mortals) took the subway – Lex Ave line (vivian!) or Madison Ave by bus – and can’t’ forget about MetroNorth for the burbs – but the MM cabbed it in town.

        • vivian

          but bus to work. E punto

    • bxbourgie

      I’m just enjoying the ride. I’m not even trying to sit around and analyze these useless “Next time on Mad Men” promos. I’ve already got my champagne and snacks all ready for tonight’s TLounge. Three episodes left! GoT is ending tonight and Mad Men in a few weeks. What the hell will I do with my Sunday nights???

      • Chris

        True Blood? It’s a small consolation I know, especially after this whole Billith business.

        • bxbourgie

          I wasn’t too impressed with the last season, but I”ll watch since I’ve already invested so much time into the series. I’ll have to watch the recap on HBOGo because I can barely remember where things left off.

      • ccinnc

        I heard reruns of Breaking Bad will begin, in anticipation of Aug 11. If so, I’ll re-watch.

    • TheDivineMissAnn

      I saw an interesting theory on another thread. The character who dies this season is gonna be Harry, to fit in with the political assassinations of 1968. That would be an unexpected twist.

      • Chris

        How does Harry relate to the politics aspect?

        • Topaz

          I think she meant Henry. I’m not even positive anyone is going to die at this point. Though I did have a passing moment of panic about Ken Cosgrove earlier this week.

          • Munchkn

            TheDivineMissAnn isn’t the first person who has made a mistake with the name. I saw someone earlier this week make the same mistake, but it’s understandable: Harry is a nickname for Henry. Prince Harry has been called Prince Harry so often we may have trouble remembering that he is actually HRH Prince Henry of Wales.

          • Chris

            OK thanks, that seems obvious now that you said it! I was really racking my brain to get how Harry and TV was relating to politics. Henry, duh- should have made the connection.

            • Cheryl

              But Henry dying because of the state of the city makes some sense; Harry dying would make no sense, but keep us talking till next year.

            • Frank_821

              Harry dying would only make sense as an inside joke since some writer wrote how originally Harry was suppose to die by the end of the first season

    • Pennymac

      I have to watch Mad Men, but I’m kind of excited about Falling Skies tonight. Thank God for the DVR. I wonder if our Fabulous Uncles will be getting their geek on in addition to the Mad Men recaps?

    • Judy_J

      I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories. I love MM for the great writing, storylines, acting and production values. Let other folks speculate all they want….I’m just enjoying the show.

    • Crystal

      I’m already drinking and I’m watching the Tony’s,so I’m gonna be real fun when Mad Men comes on lol.

    • Maura

      I can’t wait to see the fallout between Joan and Pete about Avon. I’m not fooled by that dope smoking scene,,,

    • texashistorian

      It’s so easy to understand, from the preview: Pete lands a new account for AMC Pacers, after Joan slaps around one of the AMC executives in a symbol-rich whore house. Ted suggests that everyone take the AMC Pacer for a spin and free-associate their feelings about it for the new ad campaign. Peggy can’t decide which car she wants to ride in – the baby blue or the navy blue, with Stan and a joint or Ginsburg and a bucket helmet at the wheel. Don just gets in one of the cars and couldn’t care less, until he sees Megan in the front seat wearing a red dress. Then all the AMC Pacers explode and the shrapnel kills everyone, in a symbolic nod to the Vietnam War. The end. Isn’t it obvious?

      • Crystal

        YOU FIGURED IT OUT! :)

    • Inspector_Gidget

      I’m convinced their promos are some sort of in-joke. A string of out-of-context non sequiturs that give no indication of what’s going to happen in the episode. It’s almost like some editor said, “OK fine, AMC! You’re going to require us to have promos, here you go! Make sense of THAT!”

      • PastryGoddess

        Actually Matthew Weiner said that’s exactly what they do. AMC insisted on the promos, so Weiner & Co make them as obtuse as possible

    • NDC_IPCentral

      Now I’m confused… are there three episodes left, including tonight, or three after tonight? I’ve lost count. I think it’s the former, not the latter.

      I think that I either read or heard in a radio interview that Matt Weiner does, in fact, craft the previews to be true-info-free, but he has to do them since all shows have them. I actually don’t mind watching in real time – the commercials are opportunities to wash the dishes, brush the teeth and do those late evening chores. When MM6 has concluded, my Sunday nights will feature earlier shut-eye before Monday Moanin’.

      • Cheryl

        Tonight is #11, next week is #12, and the finale, #13, will be June 23. And then we all disappear down the rabbit hole (to Brigadoon?) till next year.

        • NDC_IPCentral

          Thanks. And I got a real Gene Kelly flash from your Brigadoon reference.

        • PowerfulBusiness

          I really hate the two hour premieres they do now, because they cheat us out of an extra week of Mad Men contemplation. In two weeks I’m going to have to fill my free time with thinking of my own life, instead of Don, Peggy’s and Joan’s!

    • Orange Girl

      Oh, I love Joan’s early 60’s Barbie hairdos.

    • TigerLaverada

      I think Megan is the Walrus.

    • Perditax

      Was sooooo close to getting an early night, ready for flat-hunting tomorrow, but here I am! I just can’t stay away.

    • Latin Buddy

      I miss Joan from the early episodes. She was ballsy, confident, and like you guys said, everyone feared her. Maybe a commentary could be made that we get more timid as we get older or something or just that her character was fleshed out a little more. I was SCREAMING at my tv last Sunday for her to yell back at Pete!

    • PastryGoddess

      Hello all,

      My novel is going nowhere and I forgot the Tony’s were on. Would anyone care to share some gin, hold the tonic

      • Crystal

        I have tons! Share with me!

      • alula_auburn

        Novel deadlock solidarity!

      • lilyvonschtupp

        Shoutout to the Immortal Cicely Tyson for her win!

    • http://viridianpostcard.blogspot.com/ viridian61

      It’s almost time, kittens! I’ll have my wine and a snack at the ready.

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Been watching the Tonys in the leadup. Felt a little bad for the singers in the canceled TV Show medley – I never tuned into Smash but I remember TLo used to recap it. Anyone know who the other two were?

      I wonder if Sutton Foster is going to get a number (or did I miss it)?

      Also: time for port.

      • MartyBellerMask

        Andrew Rannels from The New Normal and I don’t know who the other girl was, but I wish I did; she’s pretty fabulous.

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          Right? Anyone singing a variation on Ladies who Lunch wins my heart. Especially with the bottle of liquor for emphasis.

    • alula_auburn

      Hey, Dawn, long time no see!

    • OrigamiRose

      Dawn! About fraking time.

    • PastryGoddess

      god love mother campbell

      Poor poor Manolo

      • Cheryl

        OK, we know he’s not Bob’s lover.

    • OrigamiRose

      Omg I am already awaiting Mad Style, two minutes into this.

    • alula_auburn

      Oh, SHIT, Mrs. Campbell! My jaw dropped for real.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Dammit, Mrs. Campbell, you had me there for a second!

    • Crystal

      Wow. That scene with Pete’s mom and Peggy was awkward and sad.

    • alula_auburn

      Honestly, Betty’s assessment of “Diplomacy Club” is not entirely wrong, in my experience, at least when it comes to overnight trips. And mine were mostly youth group trips.

      • Munchkn

        Hey, my daughter was in Model UN! She loved it! It’s not just a walk in the park; it takes real work. She learned a lot, too.

        • alula_auburn

          Oh, I know, the actual work part is real and valid. But pretty much every activity trip involving an overnight that I was ever on–school newspaper, mission tour, choir trip, youth group retreats–had a significant making out component for at least some of the participants.

          • Munchkn

            Well, yeah… that’s true. The trips I went on involved a lot of drinking, too.

            ETA: When the Honor Society had a trip to the state convention and when our physics class went to Oak Ridge, our teachers/chaperones knew people would drink. They just gave us some guidelines like not drinking and driving. I can’t imagine a teacher doing that now.

    • Crystal

      DON DRAPER YOU ARE THE KING OF THE HYPOCRITES.

      • PastryGoddess

        You beat me to it

        • Crystal

          “He can’t run his whole life”

          GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

          • Munchkn

            I still remember the night my cousin told his Army colonel dad that if he’d been drafted he’d have gone to Canada. Btw, my uncle served a tour in Vietnam. You could have heard a pin drop.

            ETA: I hope Megan helps the Rosen’s son. It was a stupid war that wasted so many lives.

      • Pennymac

        All caps are totally appropriate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      OK, so Pete’s chaperoning. Mislead once more!

      • MartyBellerMask

        Love it!

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Tapdancing Ken, Juggling Roger – can they start a circus act?

      • alula_auburn

        Pete can tumble! Down the stairs!

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          I love you.

        • Crystal

          I could kiss you.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Wait wait wait … a Pete and Peggy moment!? Wowza, it’s been a while.

      • P M

        She nearly broke down, did our Peggy.

    • PastryGoddess

      I like a drunk Pete

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        He seems oddly sedate. Sweeter … ha.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Kind of liking this Pete + Peggy new found friendship :)

    • alula_auburn

      Am I drunk? I’m finding Pete almost adorable with Peggy.

      • Pennymac

        Stone cold sober here and kinda loving it.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Hah I must be too then! I need to rewatch it :) And that look Ted shot them … uh oh.

    • OrigamiRose

      I like this Pete. I like him being relateable.

      • Eric Stott

        I think that if the agency splits up again Pete should go with Ted. He really needs a change.

        • OrigamiRose

          Pete is a realistic Bob Benson. Doing what he needs to do for survival.

          • Eric Stott

            Pete is highly competent. He doesn’t get recognition because he’s an ass, and he’s an ass because he doesn’t get recognition.

    • PastryGoddess

      ruh roh..is Ted upset Pete and peggy are sharing a private joke

    • Scimommy

      Ted is feeling jealous…

    • Crystal

      Pete and Peggy flirting drunkenly/gossiping about Ted, who is also drunk-flirting with Peggy. This is a shitstorm in a bottle, but it’s cute dammit.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      • Pennymac

        That was a slightly veiled look of hostility from Ted, wasn’t it?

        • Crystal

          Yup. He’s jealous. I’m stressed already.

    • Judy_J

      How sweet was that? Pete & Peggy…..

    • Not applicable

      OMFG!!! Mother Campbell is doing the nasty!

      • Eric Stott

        That’s the question – just how much of it is fantasy?

        • Not applicable

          i’m thinking, real… gah!!

        • Not applicable

          Manolo & Bob….? :)

    • Eric Stott

      My God – Pete was actually nice!

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      If Pete stopped being so damn slimey all the time him & Peggy could have a damn adorable (platonic) relationship … I’m down.

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Oh god Pete. Pete and Peggy are so sweet together despite all the baggage.

    • Pennymac

      How do you sleep at night, Don Draper?

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        He’s been pissing me off since oh, you know, just Season 1.

      • LuluinLaLa

        On a bed made of money, of course.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      C’MON AMC, I THOUGHT THIS ARNOLD SYLVIA STORY WAS DEAD. AS A DOOR. NAIL.

      Oy.

      • Crystal

        It is. This is the funeral. Ugh.

        • Mani @ Iz and Oz

          Puh-lease let this be true. I’m more wrapped up in this T-lounge than this scene.

          • NiseiShonagon

            I certainly hope so.

            Seriously, if Sally seeing Don in all his decrepitude isn’t the major kick in the ass that ends up propelling him towards the ‘right’ (or at least the less-messed-up-than-the-one-he’s-currently-spiraling-down) path, then I really have lost all hope for him.

    • Crystal

      He needs to stop hanging out with him. This is weird, Don. GO HOME, DON.

    • alula_auburn

      Watching Don try to understand someone else’s problems is like watching a cat do algebra.

      • P M

        And it’s solved in the same way. MEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEEEEEEEEE.

    • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

      I like hearing “Stranger on the Shore” in the background.

      • Cheryl

        Aker Bilk

        • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

          Or, as the ads hawking his recordings on late night TV years ago used to say, “MISTER Acker Bilk”.

      • decormaven

        Ha ha! That’s MW’s subtle nod to Don’s Hawaii ad.

    • Crystal

      TED’S WIFE. HOLY SHIT. And they’re arguing?

      I sense that Ted and Peggy will be bumping uglies very soon.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Or maybe he’ll channel all that pent up frustration into bumping uglies with his wife. Meh.

        • Crystal

          Not looking likely lol. But Ted is a nice, sweater-wearing guy who likes morals, so Idk.

    • PastryGoddess

      Nan is younger than I though she was

    • PastryGoddess

      Well that was a productive meeting we should do that more often

      • Pennymac

        Like the ones I have at my job.

        • PastryGoddess

          I’m going to pull a ginger rogers analogy at my next meeting just to see who notices

          • Pennymac

            Lets both do. And report back here at the Lounge next Sunday!

            • PastryGoddess

              It should be interesting…

    • Crystal

      Angry Ted is angry.

      I am predicting some major sex. Or other shenanigans.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Eek, am I awful for kind of hoping for it :(

      • P M

        Oh the episode was ‘other’ alright.

    • alula_auburn

      LOL forever at the Ginger Rodgers analogy. I want to use that.

    • Perditax

      This is why Joan should be in all the meetings!

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        I was wondering where she was!

      • Scimommy

        Wait a minute. Where IS Joan?

        • Mani @ Iz and Oz

          After the intensity of last week’s ep, not surprised she’s not here. I miss her though :(

        • Perditax

          Hopefully she’s off somewhere being awesome *fingers crossed*

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      “I don’t want his juice, I want MY juice.” Lol.

      • NiseiShonagon

        I work at an elementary school and that line coming from a classmate would have earned a major side-eye from most of my first-graders.

        Which only made it coming out of Ted’s mouth more hilarious.

    • Pennymac

      “I don’t want his juice I want MY juice.” Love! Love!

      • Young Fry Of Treachery

        It’s all your juice!

      • Crystal

        They are 5.

    • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

      Ted sounds like a 4 year old.

    • Crystal

      NO NO NO. THESE TWO ARE NOT ALLOWED TO KNOW EACH OTHER. STAY AWAY FROM SALLY DRAPER.

      • sekushinonyanko

        He is too old for her. And too politically annoying.

    • Eric Stott

      Interesting to see Don doing a bit of groveling

    • PastryGoddess

      Julie is a bit fast no

      • lilyvonschtupp

        Isn’t Julie the violinist chick that decided to run away?

        • PastryGoddess

          hmmm maybe

        • http://surelysonsy.blogspot.com/ Jessica | Surely Sonsy

          no. different girls.

    • PastryGoddess

      Yeah, lets give Sally and Julie the keys to all of the castle. What could go wrong

    • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

      Julie looks like Marcia Brady.

      • LuluinLaLa

        I thought she looked like a young – and more innocent – Amanda Bynes.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Omg, please don’t bonk with Arnold & Sylvia’s son, Sally. PLEASE DON’T.

      • SRQkitten

        Better than creepy Glen!

        • Mani @ Iz and Oz

          Haha true!

      • Crystal

        They are not allowed to be friends or even know each other. I do not allow it.

    • Judy_J

      Sorry, no 18 year old would be interested in a 13 year old, unless there was a major creep factor going on.

      • PastryGoddess

        He has no clue how old they are, and they are pretty hot

        • alula_auburn

          I think they still look way closer to the kid side than the adult side, though, unless someone had some powerful cognitive dissonance going on.

      • Guest

        He doesn’t know how old they are and Sally looks older than she is

        • Maya

          I disagree, she definitely looks 13 and I don’t think he was interested in them. The girls just had a little crush on an older guy.

      • sekushinonyanko

        I am unprepared for creepiness for sure.

    • PastryGoddess

      Aaron Stanton for the Emmy!!!!!

      • Cheryl

        Or a [how apropos] Tony!

    • Young Fry Of Treachery

      Did Manolo date Bob Benson’s Dad like this?

      • NiseiShonagon

        WHOA

        Now I think I know how Pete (and Peggy in the opening scene) felt.

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Mm, tight pants.

    • PastryGoddess

      It’s Campbell vs Campbell

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      EEghad!

    • Pennymac

      SOUR!!!! Perfect!

    • Judy_J

      You go, Mrs. Campbell!

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Is Mrs. Campbell telling the truth about Manolo … ?

      • Eric Stott

        At least the way she sees it

        • PastryGoddess

          Exactly!

    • OrigamiRose

      “You’re a sour little boy, and a sour little man.” Oh how I am using that at work tomorrow!

    • Scimommy

      Ouch. “You were always unlovable” is horrible coming from a parent, even if the parent is suffering from dementia. Or maybe even more so.

      • Perditax

        But it is Pete, so she has a point!

        • Frank_821

          to an extant yes it’s true, but I have to say Pete’s mother has always been portrayed as a cold, selfish woman in the past. Even His brother doesn’t care for her that much. It’s hard for me to muster much sympathy for her-even in her demented state

      • alula_auburn

        oh good, we cross-posted, because even with Pete that gutted me a little.

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      All I can think of is shoes when I hear Manolo.

    • alula_auburn

      I cringed when Mrs. Campbell told him he’d “always been unlovable.” But I may have issues.

      • Eric Stott

        She certainly didn’t try to help matters

      • 3hares

        So does Pete. Yeah, that was 35 years of cruelty summed up right there.

      • NiseiShonagon

        His mother has admitted she despises him, Trudy kicked him to the curb, Peggy’s moved on to better things, Don wants as little to do with him as possible. Nobody really loves Pete except poor sweet, sadly misguided Bob.

        I am really fearing what he’s talking about “hunting” with Chekhov’s Rifle in the next-episode preview.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Bringing up politics over a business meeting Don … I do not know if this will end well.

    • Eric Stott

      Don- these guys are Veterans, lay off.

    • Judy_J

      Don brought that party to a screeching halt!

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      NO. NO NO NO.

    • Crystal

      SALLY DRAPER, you listen to me. You do NOT go down and kiss him.

    • PastryGoddess

      What the hell in in that apartment

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      OMG STAN & PEGGY MOMENT. WHERE WILL THIS GO

      • Eric Stott

        Straight into awkwardville – Peggy needs a little help with social skills

        • Mani @ Iz and Oz

          Aaand so it did. Oh Pegs.

      • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

        Stan-shtupporters foiled again!

      • Guest

        THERE WILL BE NO STAN AND PEGGY, OKAY???????

    • Crystal

      STAN!!! SHE CALLED STAN!!!! HOORAY!

      • Crystal

        Drat. Foiled again.

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          Stan-shtupporters!

      • NiseiShonagon

        The flashlight illuminating that bloody trail across the floor is still terrifying me many hours later.

    • PastryGoddess

      I love Pegs slippers

    • alula_auburn

      lol forever at “you can bring her!” Peggy is hilarious tonight.

      • Perditax

        “Why are you using your sexy voice?”

      • PastryGoddess

        girl is on fire tonight

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        I died lol.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Peggy has been bringing it with the lols these past few episodes. Go girl.

    • Young Fry Of Treachery

      Pete mentioning his father’s plane crash, Arnold talking about how his son wouldn’t survive Vietnam, Peggy has a “mortally wounded” rat scurrying about her hovel…

      Mad Men is back on the death imagery kick! Megan’s going to be killed by the Manson Family after all!

      • Eric Stott

        I’m picturing Peggy 30 years later, moaning “If only I’d kept that place – you know how much it’s worth now?”

    • PowerfulBusiness

      Okay, episode 11. We have 15 minutes left…where are you going???

    • MilaXX

      Late to the party. Today was a really good day!

      Yes I saw that ridiculous Megan is dead theory floating around.

    • PastryGoddess

      Despicable Me 2!!!

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Hokay, time to grab a quick beer.

    • Jelly

      Weiner found the most effective ways of killing my one ship on this gdamn show. STAN AND PEGGY FOREVER

    • PastryGoddess

      Megan’s been a bit brittle lately

      • alula_auburn

        I’d be more than brittle if I had to live with Don, I think.

        • PastryGoddess

          good point

    • Judy_J

      Sally’s friend reminds me of a female Eddie Haskell.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Here goes the Don vs. Ted pissing contest, round 2 …

    • alula_auburn

      The irony of Don telling ANYONE it’s not all about them!

    • PastryGoddess

      I’m thinking Ted’s going to win this one

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      HAHA “BUT IT’S NOT YOUR KID … Oh, is it your kid?”

    • alula_auburn

      hahaha “I bet you don’t have a lot of friends, Don.” Ted is kind of awesome when he’s not (non-sexually) dicking around Peggy.

      • Crystal

        BECAUSE YOU SLEEP WITH THEIR WIVES.

        • NiseiShonagon

          Not sticking up for Pete in ANY way, but from what we saw of those husbands creeping on Trudy at the party, he could be forgiven for not wanting to be friends with them.

    • Perditax

      See how helpful Ted can be!

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        He’s being amazing right now… and pointing out the obvious tension between him and Don, nipping it in the bud!

        Four for you, Ted Coco! Four for you!

        • the_archandroid

          He’s actually acting on the advice that Peggy gave to Don when the merger first happened, he’s moving on. And Don, more than ever is stagnant.

    • MilaXX

      Is Ted really being honest?

    • PastryGoddess

      Ha Ted! Binding Contract!

    • Crystal

      Well. I don’t trust Don to not be a hot mess. But yay Ted for trying.

      • P M

        Didja see the colours? Don’s jacket and Ted’s tie? And Ted’s jacket vs Don’s tie? Guess who’s lying in this handshake….

    • Perditax

      Don is confused by the idea of niceness…

      • P M

        It must feel so strange to see human beings operate….

    • PastryGoddess

      Now sit the fuck down and write Don

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Yes. Do NOT call Sylvia.

        • PastryGoddess

          Well he was TRYING to reach Arnold, not her

    • Scimommy

      I do *not* believe that Don will stick to the terms of that “contract”.

      • PastryGoddess

        I actually think he will

      • alula_auburn

        Since Ted is basically asking Don not to be an enormous dick, and we know that’s something not in his wheelhouse, yeah, pretty much.

      • Guest

        I actually think he will

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      I love Ted. He’s a good guy when he’s not playing with Peggy’s head.

      • Eric Stott

        But Don deserves this

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      I don’t think this is the end of Sylvia and Don. Lord. Please make it stop, it hurts.

      • Cheryl

        “Sweetheart.” Blech.

        • Mani @ Iz and Oz

          I’m totally zoning out right now.

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          He doesn’t really use terms of endearment like that with his mistresses, I feel like. This doesn’t feel romantic to me.

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          Lol nevermind.

    • PastryGoddess

      Ok for FUCKS sake, not this shit again

      • Perditax

        Can’t that relationship just DIE already!

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        AMEN. Kill it with a shovel already.

        • PastryGoddess

          Well I guess we got what we wanted….

          • Mani @ Iz and Oz

            Haha touche. Though I am party rejoicing, part shock (still.)

      • lilyvonschtupp

        That’s the same way I feel about all of the Stan/Peggy chatter.

        It ain’t happenin’, people. GET OVER IT!!!!!

    • PowerfulBusiness

      Oh god…what are people thinking about this entire Don storyline this week?

    • Judy_J

      Oh, no…..please don’t let Sylvia and Don start up again!

      • Munchkn

        HOLY SHIT!!! NOOOOO!!!!! I don’t think this could be worse!

    • alula_auburn

      Oh, gross. This Sylvia convo is gross. “You were better than me than I was to you.”

    • PastryGoddess

      Bobby is using his voice OF GOD!

    • Judy_J

      Take charge, Bob!

    • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

      I had friends who got deferments because they were the only sons in their families. The Vietnam thing doesn’t add up.

      • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

        Did they get deferments during Vietnam or earlier?

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Bob has been taking charge of things lately. He was pretty irresistible in those shorts.

      • Perditax

        I think we found the root of his power!

    • PastryGoddess

      Oh that face that Bob made at the degenerate comment..yeah, he’s gay

    • Scimommy

      TLo were right about Bob!!! That look said everything right there!

      • Eric Stott

        OH MY GOD

    • PowerfulBusiness

      Why does Don always get what he wants? Teddy breaks down and says, “Oh, wait, this is important to you? Okay, I’ll help you out.” What??????? Sylvia saying Don was good to her? What????????????

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      IS BOB COMING ONTO PETE.

      • Topaz

        Pete Campbell? PETE CAMPBELL??!! Come on Bob, you are a beautiful, albeit slightly eery, man and he is a loathsome little frog. Sort it out.

        • editrixie

          I AM SO TRAUMATIZED I CAN’T EVEN RIGHT NOW. I’ve been sitting here for over an hour trying to catch my breath.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      OMG! TLo are so right about Bob. “I don’t think his interests turn that way.” Perfect line.

    • Crystal

      BOB. BOB. WHAT THE FUCK.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      OMG!!!!
      BOB!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      • lilyvonschtupp

        I LITERALLY STOPPED BREATHING!

    • Perditax

      Oh no, terrible tragic crush alert!

    • alula_auburn

      OH DAMN.

      Oh, gee, I’m also flashing back to that episode of The Simpsons when Homer gets his hair and that personal assistant who tells him how beautiful he is. (Voiced, of course, by Harvey Fierstein.)

      • editrixie

        My mothah taught me to never kiss a losah. God, I love that episode.

    • Judy_J

      OMG,,,,,,,.,,,,!,,,,

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      It’s HAPPENING. IT’S HAPPENING. BOB … ohmygod, Bob. I am tearing up for him.

    • Scimommy

      Oh noes…

    • Crystal

      Well. Of course Pete was a douche about it. Poor Bob.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        I know, I just wanted to give him a huge hug. His eyes were welling. Oh my god, my heart is still racing about it.

      • MilaXX

        on the other hand, this whole exchange feels like another notch in the Bob is gay column.

        • PastryGoddess

          You know how when you make an X at the top of the page and put a line all the way down the rest of the column..

      • sekushinonyanko

        I think Pete could have been a hell of alot worse. No threats of firing, no poorly thought through attempts at physical violence. No actual commentary on what was obviously happening at all. Just an oh shit face and saying “none of this, and I still don’t like that dude around my mom.”

        • Mani @ Iz and Oz

          Pete handled it douche-ily as usual, but I agree. He does seem to be the most progressive of the crew, but is certainly not enough to be graceful about it. Then again, Pete has never been graceful about anything, so …

          • Frank_821

            actually I felt Pete handled it as well as any guy could have in 1968. He simply moved his leg away and pretended it didn’t happen. Personally I thought it was crazy for Bob to make a play when Pete just called Manolo a degenerate. It also sadly ruined any chance of Pete retaining Manolo

        • Topaz

          I feel like there was a potential subtle firing in there. Oh, Bob…

          • sekushinonyanko

            I think he fired Manolo.

            • Topaz

              Yeah, I mean I think that by firing Manolo, and saying it the way he did, he was saying “this could happen to you.” Bob’s in a very precarious position.

          • Selkiechick

            The season isn’t done yet…

    • PastryGoddess

      Julie is a ditz and I’m surprised she’s not wearing pink or red

      • NiseiShonagon

        I kept flashing back to the panel commentary on Roxxxy’s candy couture marshmallow dress. “That’s a really promiscuous-looking sixteen-year-old!”

    • OrigamiRose

      Oh, my heart broke for Bob.

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Ties back to the “Bloomingdales Bathroom” story earlier this season (episode 1?)

      • PastryGoddess

        indeed!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Oh god, Bob has terrible taste in men. I mean, when Pete was young and not balding with little pathetic sideburns, I could see it. Now he’s just a slithery little worm.

      • PowerfulBusiness

        LOLLLLL. Yeah, who choose Pete over..um…every other man in that office?

        • PastryGoddess

          Yes but Pete is pathetic and needy and shows it

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          Maybe Pete was the only one who Bob thought was giving off gay vibes – separated from the wife, apartment in the city, stayed late…

          • sekushinonyanko

            He buys him toilet paper, helps with his mother and everything, yet Pete wants to maintain all aspects of their marriage except the one that REALLY matters!

          • Topaz

            Went with him to a brothel…

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

          Honestly, I would’ve tried for Cutler. Harry Hamlin’s giving Slattery a run for his money in silver fox stakes.

          • Eric Stott

            and he gives me the impression he’s had a little experience in the past – maybe at a prep school

          • Munchkn

            And Harry played a gay man back in ’82 in the film Making Love.

            • alula_auburn

              He also played a gay man on the last season of Shameless, albeit one having an affair with his son’s girlfriend’s underage brother.

        • joything

          Why choose Pete over Manolo, for that matter?

          • NiseiShonagon

            He could easily be the type to have a string of hopeless crushes on straight men. Guys like that often have patterns of seemingly picking the worst possible straight man to focus their affections on, too…

        • Wellworn

          This season Pete is really lost, and has the smell of desperation. Bob found someone he could take care of. You can see how Bob has been there for Pete. Poor Bob. He makes me wish I were a gay man, if there were gay men out there like him. Instead of slimy straight men like my ex-husband.

      • Eric Stott

        and he actually was rather sweet an hour ago – that’s Pete, they swing his character to extremes.

        • Frank_821

          Exactly how was he suppose to respond to Bob coming onto him? You could tell until Bob starting coming onto him, he was softening to the idea about letting Manolo stay on and that it may not be anythign he needed to be overly concerned about

          Ken probably would not have behaved any better. He once casually referred to a gay man in their office as a pervert

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Ken said that? I thought it was Harry.

      • Zaftiguana

        Right? Maybe he likes them tragic. I had a hard time believing the timing of the proposition, though. The little weasel just called mo’s degenerates who are capable of anything, Bob. Probably not the time to rub kneecaps.

        • NiseiShonagon

          Yeah, I don’t blame him for being blinded by love/the sunlight reflecting off Pete’s ever-more-exposed scalp, but that was reeeeeeallly bad timing.

    • Crystal

      I’m crying a little. I love you, Bob Benson. I’m sorry I ever thought you were sketchy. I’m so used to douchebags that your niceness scared me.

      • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

        Thiiiis. Especially in NYC.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        I know, I didn’t expect to get so emotional about it but James Wolk SOLD it, god damn.

      • Topaz

        This is the moment when I pray Joan really has his back, because this could be terrible for him. Oh God, Bob. Pete. Campbell. And Pete thought imagining his Mum and Manolo was bad.

        • Crystal

          I shouted at my screen before I started crying. OH MY GOD BOB. PETE CAMPBELL? REALLY? FUCK.

    • Not applicable

      ah, Peggy learns the real reason for keeping a man around the house!

    • P M

      Yeah he’s gay

    • PowerfulBusiness

      TLo said it…Joanie may have found herself a cute gay. Prophetic gentlemen, prophetic.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        After that scene, I’m almost certain she must have known.

        • Perditax

          Wasn’t she the first one we saw who figured out Sal?

          • Mani @ Iz and Oz

            I believe so.

          • CozyCat

            Yes. They kissed during the performance of a “play” at an after hours office party. She gave an “ugh” expression afterwards….

      • alula_auburn

        I would totally watch the adventures of Joanie and Bob.

        • Crystal

          SPINOFF PLEASE.

          Joanie/Peggie/Stan/Dawn/Bob/Drunk Pete/(Roger, not because he’s good at his job, but because I’d miss him) form their own ad agency, and Joanie and Bob have adventures and frolick through life.

          • NiseiShonagon

            Roger would actually BE Thurston Howell in that show.

      • Munchkn

        Bob should be Joanie GBFF.

      • Lisa_Co

        And Ginzo guessed right last week.

    • PowerfulBusiness

      Uh oh, is Sally about to walk in on…..

      • Eric Stott

        NO NO NO NO NO

        • Eric Stott

          yes…

        • Munchkn

          God! That just broke my heart! And to have that shit of a father trying to say that she didn’t see what she saw? Sally’s not that stupid!

    • Judy_J

      Don’t be stupid, Sally!

    • Crystal

      GO HOME SALLY.

    • Scimommy

      Oh my God… Will she see what I think she will see?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Well. At least Joan and Bob have something to bond over: their terrible taste in men. And of course I should’ve seen it. No woman dresses for a beach date in a sailor themed outfit unless he can appropriately ‘appreciate’ it.

    • Crystal

      NO NO NO NO NO

    • PastryGoddess

      This will not end well for anyone

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      OH HELLLLL NOOOOOOO

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      OMG #2 MOMENT – NOOOOOO

    • UsedtobeEP

      And here we go…

    • Judy_J

      Oh, NO!,,!!,!!!!

    • PastryGoddess

      AHHHHHHHHHHH

    • alula_auburn

      Oh, Sally.

      Shut up, Sylvia. Your faux-guilt is annoying.

      • sekushinonyanko

        I think in this case it was a combo of “I was doing so at leaving this man with mah PRIDE” and “oh SHIT, now someone other than the blessed virgin and an imaginary man know I do shit like this.” A lot of “and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that meddling kid!” She’s not guilty, she’s frustrated she got caught.

        • Wellworn

          So true. She can’t Hail Mary this one away.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Or she can sing 10 Hail Marys and drop 5 bucks into the collection plate at St. Paul’s.

            • Wellworn

              She knows that won’t make Sally unsee what she saw.

    • Perditax

      For this weeks ‘Jeeesus Don!’ moment…

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      DAMMIT HOW CAN ONLY 4 MORE MINUTES BE LEFT CANCEL THE KILLING WE HAVE TO WATCH WHAT HAPPENS NEXT

      • CozyCat

        The Killing: the TV show that would not die….

    • P M

      OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

    • JasmineAM

      Holy FUCK, SALLY!!!!

    • Judy_J

      Don, you blew it, big time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!! Sylvia is stupid. Just…really stupid. Poor Sally.

    • Eric Stott

      Rack this up with seeing her step-grandmother with Roger

      • sekushinonyanko

        Between that, Sylvia and her friend she’ll never trust a brunette again.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        Roger bagged Blankenship. So anything is possible.

        • http://angrynerdgirl.net/ Jessi03

          I believe it was Cooper who banged Blankenship. Roger just wrote about it in his book.

    • PastryGoddess

      NO…it’s not YOUR fault doorman, not your fault at all

    • Jelly

      NOOOO NOOOOO

    • alula_auburn

      Aw, sad raisin bran of sadness.

      • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

        I like to imagine that the raisin bran was his turning point. Like, maybe it wouldn’t be so bad to bone a dude if it meant coming home to a hot supper and an earful of platitudes about how important and special he is. I bet Bob’s a better ego fluffer than Trudy. After all, Trudy was too used to being coddled and adored to be able to dole it out to the satisfaction of someone as desperate for attention and worship as Pete.

        Or maybe Pete will just get a cat, like Peggy did. :D

    • PastryGoddess

      What is wrong with me. I feel sorry for Pete

    • P M

      And Peggy. LOLOLOL

    • PastryGoddess

      Good one Peggs

    • Crystal

      Poor Sally. This is going to be so so bad.

    • JasmineAM

      LOL Peggy, please don’t become a cat lady.

    • Judy_J

      Awwww, Peggy got a cat!

      • NiseiShonagon

        She followed her mother’s advice!

    • alula_auburn

      That’s it, Peggy–a cat is way easier for rat-control than a dude.

      • UsedtobeEP

        Man, my neighbor’s cats have no interest in rats. Too big, I guess. They love chipmunks, though.

        • Perditax

          My cats can only manage leaves. I’ve even seen them run away from spiders!

          • pattycap11

            my cat is very brave with a q-tip! she swats it then takes off.

        • Munchkn

          She needs a dachshund or a terrier. They’re better for rat hunting. I saw a video of some terriers and doxies hunting rats recently. They caught about 40 something rats. Big ones, too.

          One of my cats did catch her first mouse recently. She’s 12.

          • Wellworn

            My little 1/4 dachshund 3/4 chihuahua loves to hunt. She points out the spiders in the house all the time and tries to chase flies and bees outside. I keep telling her to stop because she is too teenie of a chiweenie.

          • NiseiShonagon

            As the owner of a cat who could not figure out how to successfully eat bugs, I concur. On at least half a dozen instances he came trotting into the room, mouth closed, only to open it to meow and releasing a housefly that he seemed to have forgotten was in there.

        • Sing4yursupper

          I had a cat that loved chipmunks too, a little too much.

      • sekushinonyanko

        Didn’t her momma try to tell her a cat’s what she needs?

      • CozyCat

        One of my cats is quite the mouser. She likes to catch them outside–and bring them inside so she can torture them to death at her leisure. When I move the furniture to clean I’m always finding little mumified mousies….

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      I am too distracted and freaked out by what happened to notice Peggy is turning into a cat lady …

    • PastryGoddess

      Is that the same bar Don was in before?

      • Cheryl

        Yes

    • alula_auburn

      You guys, one cat cannot make you a cat lady. Even two cats doesn’t. . .right? Right?

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        haha, i was joking below! Nah. I like cats.

      • SRQkitten

        Two cats, nah. Twenty, definitely.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      So many tensions right now …..

    • Perditax

      Ahahaha Peggy don’t need no man, she has a cat! I guess a catnip habit is easier to sustain.

    • PastryGoddess

      This might get a bit awkward…poor poor sally

    • P M

      Yeah Don, sit down.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      With all her screwed up childhood moments, she’s either going to become Erica Jong or Fraulein Maria. Poor kid.

    • Not applicable

      oh boy… Pete finally gets some action- and it’s the wrong player!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Gross Megan. Don’t kiss him. You don’t know where that mouth has been!

      • PastryGoddess

        I do I do I do

        • UsedtobeEP

          Yuck. I didn’t need that. : )

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

          We alllll do, honey. :)

    • P M

      oh I’ll bet Sylvia is overwhelmed.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        Screw her. She should’ve closed the goddamn door!

        • sekushinonyanko

          She locked the door to the apartment. Sally used a key to get in.

          • Munchkn

            But she should have shut the door to the maid’s room, too. Her husband or son could also have walked in on her.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            I meant the door to the maid’s room where Sylvia and Don were usually screwing around,

    • PastryGoddess

      Sylvia SENDS her GRATITUDE. Yeah…that’s what it was

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      I bet Sylvia was “grateful.” She is sloppy. So, so sloppy.

    • P M

      oh poor Sally. poor poor poor poor Sally

      • alula_auburn

        Her expression at the dinner table was breaking my heart.

      • Not applicable

        that was bad…that was really really bad…

      • Topaz

        The therapy this girl is going to need. The therapy. Time to jump shows lady, I hear Gabriel Byrne is free.

    • PastryGoddess

      Oh boy! This won’t turn out well

    • Perditax

      Sally yelling what we’re all thinking!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      …And the transformation into mini-Betty is complete. Good job, Don.

      • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

        “You don’t get to talk to me!” Yep.

        • CommentsByKatie

          Megan has said this too…”You don’t get to look at me.”

      • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

        Yeah, now Don has fucked her over, too.

      • sekushinonyanko

        Complete with throwing herself on a bed in a blue plaid dress.

      • DogintheParthenon

        Just what I was thinking!

      • lilyvonschtupp

        And one Betty in this world is one too many.

    • P M

      TIME FOR THE REWATCH!

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Don, stop. And Sally had better tell on your rat ass.

    • alula_auburn

      OMG Don is such a bullshit artist. Comforting her, my ass. Or rather her ass.

    • Judy_J

      “comforting?” Is that what we call it now?

      • Perditax

        It was a special full body massage to help her relax

        • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

          A “spa treatment” as it were.

          • DogintheParthenon

            AWESOME!

    • PastryGoddess

      Oh Don…you messed up fucked up bastard

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      CLICHE AFTER CLICHE!!! “She was upset.” “It’s complicated.” Go eff yourself, Don.

      • PastryGoddess

        well what do you say when your daughter finds you with your tongue down someones throat

        • Cheryl

          “It will shock you how much this didn’t happen.”

          • PastryGoddess

            ROFLMAO

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

            LOL!!!! Comment of the night.

          • H2olovngrl

            Perfection.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

          I do think it was more than a tongue.

        • Allie

          I understand that you can’t say “I’m a total shitbag” to your own child, but as a kid who had a chronically unfaithful father and went through a few “it’s not what you thought” talks, it would’ve been nice if he had gone that route.

          • http://surelysonsy.blogspot.com/ Jessica | Surely Sonsy

            i, too, was a kid with a chronically unfaithful father and we had absolutely no talks of any kind. to this day, still no acknowledgement. not sure what’s worse!

      • Perditax

        He was only one step away from dismissing it as a ‘special hug’!

    • crystal76

      Comforting …It’s that when they call it.

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      Now I REALLY can’t wait for next week. EFF.

      • Wellworn

        Cherish the anticipation. Because a couple of weeks from now we won’t know what to do with ourselves on Sunday nights and we will realize we won’t have that anticipation feeling for another year.

    • PastryGoddess

      Pretty significant that everyone’s scenes ended up at home this episode

      • P M

        The shit’s coming home to roost.

      • Perditax

        And nobody’s happy where they are

    • alula_auburn

      OH SHIT. Betty calling about Sally and Pete with the rifle!

      • lilyvonschtupp

        You should know now that the previews don’t mean jack squat.

        • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

          Exactly. Betty’s phone call about Sally will be to complain about how she overheard Sally’s friend say that the Drapers’ floors smell like pee and why is that, Don, can’t your little girlfriend figure out how to use toilets, Don?! etc. yawn.

          Meanwhile, Pete is holding that rifle because he’s come to a momentous decision: take it back to Bonwit Teller to exchange it for the perfect chip ‘n’ dip–which will take some hunting, won’t it, fellas?

          • lilyvonschtupp

            WRONG! Pete took the rifle out of his bomb shelter for protection when guerillas from Manolo’s country attack the Time Life Building.

    • OrigamiRose

      Well, this episode made me very sad.

    • Eric Stott

      Don in a turtleneck next week – times change

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

        He’s trying to emulate Ted, who he sees as a “good man.” Trying to clean up his act.

        • sekushinonyanko

          It’s high time he get a new mistress, since it’s officially over with the last one. The last one being Dr. Rosen. Don’t worry Ted, he certainly won’t use his friendship with you to fuck your wife in an attempt to try to be more like you.

    • MilaXX

      The scales have fallen. Don can’t be a hero in her eyes anymore.

      • Cheryl

        Or mine. It may be time to give up on Don for good. (Maybe just one more chance. He can change.)

        • PastryGoddess

          Yeah, but he doesn’t WANT to change

        • formerlyAnon

          He doesn’t know HOW to change.

        • sekushinonyanko

          He changes all the time. It’s just that all the people he changes into are adulterers and assholes, whether they smoke pot, hang with beatniks, are BFFs with a doctor, live in California, bare their souls to Jewish psychologists, try to run away with Jewish store moguls or fall in love with an actress in Disneyland.

      • Perditax

        Thank God she’s got Henry, there’s at least a hint that decent men exist!

    • Mani @ Iz and Oz

      I seriously cannot believe what I just watched. I knew it would come out some time or another, but not like that in a million years.

      I bet they’ll save the big reveal for the finale.

      • P M

        That was the writers’ big FUCK YOU to the internet and to BKs

        • PastryGoddess

          Well they did write and shoot it a few months ago :)

    • Not applicable

      oh Pegs- it all begins with one cat…

      • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

        I was just thinking that. Bet she was too.

      • P M

        LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

        Hey, she was just taking her mom’s advice. :D

        • Mary Nease

          That and she had a rat problem.

          • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

            Well, obviously that is literally the reason why she got the cat. But the joke was the callback to when her mother told her to get a cat to stave off loneliness instead of shacking up with a dude.

        • Not applicable

          omg- that’s right!

    • http://gabyrippling.tumblr.com/ Gaby

      Maybe all the death foreshadowing has just been for the death of the second Draper marriage (not that it wasn’t long in coming). Or maybe the death of childhood.

    • Perditax

      It’s all gearing up to the day Sally spreads her legs and flies away!

      • editrixie

        OMG I had forgotten about that line. ROFL.

    • lilyvonschtupp

      GREAT DON! YOU’VE MANAGED TO RUIN ANOTHER FEMALE’S LIFE!

    • PowerfulBusiness

      Peggy’s mother was right on ALL accounts – “He will use you for practice”…and “if you’re lonely, get a cat.” Oh, Ma Olson.

      • Logo Girl

        She makes for one fabu cat lady, Peggy does… I almost liked that shot as much as the shot of Joan, Kevin and Mrs Holloway from last year. Maybe more.

      • formerlyAnon

        I always thought they’d crash and burn, but to be fair, Peggy got a good run out of Abe. Lasted longer than I ever believed it would. And it worked well for her for much of the time. Unfortunately, she was raised to be an old fashioned girl at the core.

    • Perditax

      Sally’s the one female Don can’t just walk away from when he screws things up. He’s actually going to have to face the consequences this time.

      • Mani @ Iz and Oz

        Yep. This is gonna be one juicy season wrap up.

        Shit’s FINALLY starting to fall apart for Don Draper, minus the whole divorcing Betty thing (if you can count that.)

        • PowerfulBusiness

          Yes, and it’s amazing that after ALL that has happened, this is still the worst. That says a lot.

          • Mani @ Iz and Oz

            Seriously. My head’s still spinning from it all.

      • sekushinonyanko

        Oh, yes he can. She’s the one female he SHOULDN’T just walk away from, but if Sally says she doesn’t want to come over, Betty and Henry are unlikely to feel pressed to veto her unless he really presses his case. And Don won’t want to risk her telling Megan, so he’d let it go. And be grateful to not have to face her.

        • PastryGoddess

          Unless she absolutely has to go to their house because Betty and Henry have to travel or something because of his job

          • sekushinonyanko

            My guess is she’s going to be getting lots of new pairs of boots and whatever curfew she wants and a Chevy. Because Daddy’s got a lot of paying his way out of THIS coming up.

          • Wellworn

            Betty will make her go. We have seen this before, Betty likes her alone time. Remember how she made Don drive the kids through Manhattan during the riots just so he had his visitation time?

        • Perditax

          That couldn’t last forever though, she’ll always be his daughter and surely even Don realises that means something. He can’t shut her out of his life quite the same way he does with other ruined relationships. Come to think of it, have we really ever seen Don actually try to mend a relationship, or does he always take the easy way out?

          • sekushinonyanko

            Agreeing with a truce with Ted on Sylvia’s account and writing that disastrous, never-delivered pitch is the closest he came to trying to mend a relationship. Unless you count the conception of Gene. It’s not uncommon for him to make half-assed efforts at mending relationships if he still wants something, but he’s usually halfway out the door by the time he even starts making them, so the real purpose is just to get the woman’s interest long enough for him to thoroughly lose his own. He’s never been that attached to any of his kids, so if Sally isn’t interested then I don’t think he’d be interested enough all by himself to make more than token attempts. I can see him doing just enough so he can tell his mistress how he gives Sally EVERYTHING and tries SO HARD and she just doesn’t care about her father now that she’s into boys.

      • Selkiechick

        Maybe, maybe not. Sally has been raised by the Queen of Denial… and has learned a lot about how and when to keep up appearances.

        Not that Don’s not gonna pay, but he’s always been willing to shell out to duck consequences, from the check he gave his first mistress on the show, to leaving Betty the house.

    • bxbourgie

      I just went back to the DVR to rewatch the Pete/Bob scene and I’m just like wow did that REALLY REALLY just happen? Of ALL of the men of SCDPCGCABCDEFG to fall in love with he picks Pete? Are the pickings that slim as a gay man in NYC in 1968? Good Lord!

      • Denise Plank

        I’d judge, but I date terrible people.

        • Wellworn

          I married one. I can’t judge either.

      • Crystal

        SCDPGCABCDEFG for the win. I die.

    • Not applicable

      wow- that was really intense- Tlo- where does this fall on the “Lawnmower scale??”

      • Perditax

        I have a hard time grading it. On the one hand, super shocking, but on the other it felt almost inevitable that Don would get caught and it would all blow up in his face.

        • bxbourgie

          Caught for sure, but not by Sally? I was NOT ready for that! That poor girl!

      • P M

        We now have to invent a new scale. The Sally drops her keys scale.

        • Not applicable

          yea- and think of Sally’s intro do sex… getting in trouble for touching herself, last year, seeing Megan nekkid in bed (from the back) then later, seeing Megan’s mother ‘servicing’ Roger at the CodFish Ball…and now seeing her DADDY whom she had just defended to her mother earlier in the episode, in full-slopping sex mode with the neighbor. That girl will be warped for life!

      • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

        I give the scene with Bob and Pete eight out of five lawnmowers, if only because I was so much more worked up watching it. I can’t imagine anything worse than being in love with stupid Pete.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      YAY!!!! We were right about Bob!!! Celebrating here : )

      • Young Fry Of Treachery

        Just because he’s gay doesn’t mean he’s not Don’s reptilian love child

      • P M

        bubbly’s on me, BKs!

      • Perditax

        A small but vocal corner of the internet is celebrating with you!

      • PastryGoddess

        I’ve got Gin to share!

      • Crystal

        YOU WIN!

      • PastryGoddess

        I wonder if we’re going to see a harder edged Bob. His main chances for “love” at the office were just shot down.
        He used his grown up voice on Ginsberg last week and Pete this week. He managed to get Cutler to give him more responsibility. He has Roger on edge because of his relationship with Joan. He may turn into Mr. I Don’t Give a Damn and it could be AMAZING to watch.

      • MilaXX

        Of course you were right. You guys have been on the ball for the entire season.

      • OrigamiRose

        You guys rule! :)

      • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

        That scene! Oh, my god, that scene!!! As soon as it became clear which way the wind was blowing, I was freaking out on the inside. Then I started tearing up like a fool when his cheerful facade cracked ever so slightly when Pete called him disgusting, and again when the facade completely broke as he walked out of Pete’s office.

        Poor Bob. He can do better.

        Tom and Lorenzo, thank you once again from the bottom of the desiccated lump of unidentified meat I pass off as a heart for finally having a Mad Men T LOunge because there is literally nowhere else I can go squeal over my stories Mad Men episodes with like-minded people. I can’t go nuts on facebook because I’ll piss people off who won’t/can’t watch until Monday or Tuesday. I can’t go nuts on tumblr for the same reason. So. Yeah. THANK YOU! :D

        • Wellworn

          Bob in that scene was heartbreaking. At least Pete didn’t go ballistic. Maybe he’s considering it :)

          • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

            I’d be first on board that ship, cutting all the lifeboats adrift, if only I could be assured that Bob could dickmatize Pete into being a decent human being.

            • Wellworn

              I would pay to watch that show.

          • Eric Stott

            considering it for what advantage it gives him

            • formerlyAnon

              Yeah. Only thing worse for Bob than having Pete spurn him would be for Pete to go for it. He sure wouldn’t treat the poor guy any better than anyone else in his life.

    • PowerfulBusiness

      I just watched “Inside Mad Men” and Matthew Weiner said the words, “I don’t know if Bob Benson is exactly gay….” Okay Matt. Okay.

      • sekushinonyanko

        Well, he could be bisexual. People always seem to forget we exist…

        • pattycap11

          or that!

      • pattycap11

        that’s interesting. what does that mean? i’m trying to think of how that could work. bob strikes me as a bit of a naive, though committed soul when it comes to his positive thinking thing. he really walks the walk. so he might be one of those guys of that time who experimented with a bit of everything sexually as a way of opening up to the possibilities of the universe, or something, and experiencing its love? i don’t know. he just has this pure boy thing about him. whatever it is, it was so sad to see pete brush him off in that awful way. pete was mean about his mom’s crush, too, who was apparently good for her. and so he deserves to live in an ugly dark apt. throwing a cereal box at the wall.

        but i guess it shows the times are changing because bob had the courage to try making a connection. sal wouldn’t have dared.

      • M. H. Leader

        You know, my sense of Bob is that he is obsessive about pleasing others. He’ll be to others whatever he perceives they need. He needs to be needed–he seems to be a genuine caretaker type person. I suspect his pass at Pete was less about starting an affair than it was about him giving Pete the love and affection he thinks Pete needs. Pete was obviously upset about his mom, and it was his way of comforting. Yes, it would have been sex, but I think his motivation was really one of comforting someone in need–exactly what Don claimed HIS motivation was for shtupping Sylvia. Except with Bob, it would have been exactly that. He’s a very sweet guy in a lot of ways.

    • sekushinonyanko

      Sally’s going to have to start checking around corners with mirrors like there’ s a basilisk loose in the place if she’d like to stop running into ad men having affairs.

      • Perditax

        A nice heavy mirror she can throw at disappointing men!

        • sekushinonyanko

          Indeed! Then she can just walk in on them picking glass, not themselves off of their mistresses.

          • PastryGoddess

            Yes but she’ll have to wait at least 5 min to make sure they have their clothes on before walking in.

            • sekushinonyanko

              Certainly. It’s a skill she’d do well to start practicing, since Don’s likely to be in the game till he keels over.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Actually. Sally is going to turn into Rollergirl from Boogie Nights.The set up is perfect. She’s 15 or so during the last gasp of the 60’s. She’d be around 25 or so in the late 70’s. Blonde, cute, getting mixed (or no) messages about sex and healthy relationships, it’s a no brainer.

    • PowerfulBusiness

      Alert! I just read there will be 14 episodes instead of 13 for the final season. I know I’m jumping the gun a bit…but, it’s still nice to know!

      • PastryGoddess

        yes, but it’s NEXT YEAR

    • sekushinonyanko

      You know Pete FINALLY got himself someone that wants to be a lover and servant and dedicate themselves to his whims, just like he asked that hooker to pretend to want to do. Guess you can’t get it all in one package…

      • P M

        And all he had to do was turn gay :P

        • sekushinonyanko

          Pete’s life is the definition of getting exactly what he wants in exactly the worst ways. He wants to live in the city? Done. He wants to be able to sleep around? Done. He wants his mom taken care of? Done. He wants to beat Ken and get to be head of accounts and a partner? Done. He wants someone that wants to have sex with him and do whatever he asks them too? Done as well. How is being presented with everything you want working out for you, Pete?

          • Crystal

            Wow. His life is perfect and horrible at the exact same time. Bring this man some more weed.

          • joything

            “Bedazzled”!

            • sekushinonyanko

              Clearly cheerleading Peggy and Ted was not his “get out of this Faustian bargain” free card…

          • Wellworn

            Be careful what you wish for.

          • Zaftiguana

            We’re seeing A LOT of this this season, and that it’s tied to blue and green. Yellow-wearing people generally (NOT always) have a clearer picture of who they are and what they want. Blue and green folks are conflicted or confused about what they want and/or want things that won’t make them happy.

            • Wellworn

              And now we have red. People wearing red seem to be victims, or have had something bad happen to them that they may or may not know about.

    • P M

      OMG you guys………….. Pete “I don’t even want to think of her brushing her teeth”. Clever with the foreshadowing, writers, very very clever…………..

    • lilyvonschtupp

      And to think 10 minutes in, I thought this was going to be a boring-ass episode.

    • Luneowl

      Second time watching the show I realize that Mitchell is wearing a whore red shirt when Sally and her friend meet him. Sally goes on to objectify him in that letter game they played, reducing him to desirable body parts. She might be more like her dad than we thought!

    • AutumnInNY

      “why do you call her that?” “cause she hates it”. That Julie is a little pistol.

      • Luneowl

        Why does she hate Megan? I don’t remember them having any contact before this. Or is it just snotty teenaged brat syndrome?

        • AutumnInNY

          I don’t believe she has had contact with her before. I think someone mentioned this earlier, she’s like a female Eddie Haskell.

          • Luneowl

            She is a smooth talker, making a plausible excuse for Sally running out of the room as she topped off Megan’s wine. :)

            • AutumnInNY

              I know, right? ha…She didn’t miss a beat.

            • Sing4yursupper

              Julie is big trouble.

      • P M

        She’s a little shit who needs to be kicked from there to China.

    • editrixie

      OK, Bitter Kittens, I need some comforting. My little crushboy confesses his feelings for the most odious, despicable character on TV, and I can’t handle it. Tell me it’s going to be all right. Lie to me if you have to!

      • Luneowl

        It’s okay, he’ll meet Sal at a party and they’ll fall madly in love!

        • Crystal

          Yes! Bob and Sal forever!

          • Musicologie

            Considering that Don’s kids are named Bobby and Sally, that’s…creepy.

            • Crystal

              AAAAH MY BRAIN

    • eb1966

      Lotta prostitution themes this episode, just like last season’s episode 11.

    • CommentsByKatie

      Megan’s wearing a red dress in the previews!!!

    • Logo Girl

      This is probably obvious to everyone but I just realized that cranberry juice versus orange juice is East Coast versus west coast as well

      • M. H. Leader

        Well, Sunkist is mostly Florida, not California, I’m pretty sure.

        • Logo Girl

          But they went to California for the meeting…

    • Ma. Gabriella Dutari

      Gosh, that moment between Pete and Peggy was one of my favorites…it felt so honest and sad, and gave some sort of closure to that past relationship the had.
      I love Ted, and I love the fact that he’s in love with Peggy (and Pete noticed!) but I can’t see a way in which they could be together and not fuck up everything.
      WHAT is going to happen next (Sally, PETE &BOB)?!! Anxiety was strong with this episode, I had to pause it several times so I could rub my hands frenetically and/or hug my dog.

      • Wellworn

        My dog decided that tonight she was going to be ornery and not sit with me at all. I had to hug a pillow instead. No treats for her tomorrow!

    • lilyvonschtupp

      Who is Mark Lindsay?

      • Wellworn

        He was the really cute lead singer for a 60s group called Paul Revere and the Raiders. Dreamy, and yes I had a crush on him too. Google him. That ponytail!

        • Frank_821

          I recall them. I saw an album cover where they dressed in faux colonial era clothes except some of the guys were wearing tights instead of breeches

          • formerlyAnon

            I remember looking longingly at that album in the neighborhood 5 & 10 – can’t recall if it was Woolworth’s or Kresge’s – but never managed to save enough to buy it.

      • decormaven

        Another Mark Lindsay fan here. Remember the show “Where the Action Is?”

    • AutumnInNY

      How about Peggy offering sexual favors for extermination services? And check out the poster above Stan’s bed.

    • LauraAgain

      Well, besides all the DRAMA of tonights episode, I just had to chuckle when Henry walked into the kitchen and said to Betty and Sally (something like) “What’s the point of having a mansion if we’re only going to be in one room?”

      LOL.

      • Not applicable

        that was funny- I was thinking: Production budget! :)

    • Wellworn

      I just googled Mark Lindsay (for old time’s sake) and read that he once lived in the house that Sharon Tate was murdered in. Creepy.

      • cookable

        Oh, Lord. Please don’t encourage anyone . . .

    • Latin Buddy

      Awww Bob, look at that big ol’ bottom :)

    • Doris Allen

      Can’t agree more. Don’t want to know or guess what’s ahead; in any event, a show that is trying to convey versimilitude is only going one place: people will remain as they have always been. The best shows in TV, Sopranos and Seinfeld, demonstrated this. No one is going to wake up tomorrow and be better. They will go on as before and cope. The coping is the story for me. I don’t need or want spies or twists; normal human behavior is plenty compelling if it is honestly portrayed.

      • Not applicable

        totally agree- plus, MW wrote for the Sopranos- I had said in another post that Don was like Tony in some ways- a different type of sociopath in that he can’t really feel love or connect to people. He mostly feels emotion when he’s caught.

        • Doris Allen

          Are you really Stephen Fry? Adorable avatar! I hate spoilers and I don’t understand people who can’t wait to tell you that they’ve figured it out in advance. Just not my idea of fun.

          • Not applicable

            lol- I wish, but alas no. I’m not even a man. :) the photo just cracks me up-

            Yes- I don’t like spoilers. My mother is one of those people who unintentionally spoils movies & shows. She can’t stop herself. I’m like: “don’t tell me, I haven’t seen it!” And she’ll still say, “oh, ok- I won’t tell you what happened. Such a shame about Lane- I really liked him.” She doesn’t think that’s a spoiler b/c she didn’t say what SPECIFICALLY happened. sigh…

            As for MM- I like chatting about the what ifs as the characters come together. I don’t think of that as spoilers- as much as speculation.

    • Yolanda13

      One of my GetGlue buddies said that Matt Weiner didn’t want to do previews at all, but was contractually bound to AMC to do them and decided to make them as obtuse as possible.