Mad Men: For Immediate Release

Posted on May 06, 2013

Ah, there’s the Mad Men we’ve been missing.

Believe it or not, even after we take the opportunity to write two different reviews of the show each week, we still find ourselves pondering the previous episode for days after. It seems to us that there’s been quite a bit of narrative wheel-spinning this season MMS6E6+1and we don’t know if it’s by design or if the show is in a rut. We figured it was either a setup for some major change to come or, sadly, Weiner & Co. might have lost their mojo. We got incredibly annoyed with Don’s “I never loved my children” speech last week because all it did was rehash old ground but it was presented to the audience as some sort of heart-wrenching revelation. And the entire affair with Sylvia feels like lukewarm leftovers of plots from years ago. It seemed to us that Matthew Weiner had fallen a little too in love with Don Draper. He’s a main character who no longer feels like a main character to the audience (who see him as a member of a larger ensemble) but still gets treated like one by the creators. The show gave off the slight whiff of staleness to us this season and we felt it badly needed a good lawnmower amputation or surprise baby to shake up the status quo. What we didn’t expect – at least not this early in the season – was a redux of the seminal 3rd-season finale “Shut the Door, Have a Seat,” in which Don and his posse of gangsters blow open the doors of SC and steal off into the night to form a new, leaner agency. Five years later, Don and his nemesis commit an act of mutually assured construction and form a mega-agency without much input from all the people who would be most affected by the move.

Patterns repeat in the world of Mad Men, thematically, narratively, and visually. Peggy and Joan both had babies by partners secretly. Pete seems determined to hit all the beats of Don’s life, from the princess wife in the suburbs to the subsequent divorce after she’d had enough to the seedy bachelor pad in the city. Betty was a model; Megan is an actress. Roger took Don’s secretary as his second wife; Don took another of his secretaries as his second wife. Women who sleep with Pete wind up in the psych ward (Peggy and Beth). And of course, there’s prostitution, which is probably the most persistent theme in the series, affecting characters like Don, Lane, Joan and now Pete with its fallout. So there’s something a little thrilling about watching the creators turn their attentions back to the wheeling and dealing world of small agencies like SCDP and CGC because we know they’re very good, if not at their best, when they play in this sandbox. If you asked the fans for their top ten episodes of the show, we’d wager the overwhelming majority of them would be episodes about office politics or business deals. Enough with Don sneaking up backstairs to schtup the neighbor’s wife. Give us Don all pumped up on testosterone and swinging his dick around the business world. It doesn’t make him even slightly more likeable but he’s a hell of a lot more interesting like this, as opposed to watching him soulfully squint at a ceiling and express regret over his latest adultery or soulfully stare at the floor and express regret that he doesn’t love his children enough. It’s like watching Betty do something cold and child-like. We get it. Let’s either move on or find a new way to say this sort of thing, writers.  But until they do find a way to talk about Don’s inner life without making us roll our eyes at the repetitiveness, we’ll happily sit through an episode like this one, where almost every single character got a moment or a line and it felt like everyone was working overtime to give us a real meaty story.MMS6E6+4

It almost seems like a joke to say it (because you could literally say it about every episode of Mad Men), but there were competing themes here of people going after what they want impulsively and people failing to communicate with each other, causing misunderstanding and potential disaster. Ted and Peggy impulsively grope each other, Don impulsively fires Jaguar, Pete impulsively blows up his marriage as a final blow against his hypocritical father-in-law, Ted and Don impulsively form a new agency.

Don doesn’t change (another major theme of the show), so it’s no surprise that even after all the struggles SCDP has had, he’ll blithely fire a major client without consulting anyone and largely blow off any criticism he gets for it – and this being 1968, and these characters having gone through some major shit in the last few years, he gets a LOT of criticism for it. Loud and public criticism. We’re used to seeing Pete have a temper tantrum in the office, but seeing Joan unload like that on Don was a thing of intense, brilliant beauty. Like looking directly into the sun. Don’s selfish and fatally narcissistic, and if there’s any chance of him ever getting away from his demons and worst impulses, it’ll be because enough people will finally get past the mystique of Don Draper and have the courage to call him on his bullshit, like this.

What we found perfectly brilliant about the story was Don taking Joan’s admonishment – that he never uses the word “we” or thinks about anyone other than himself – and “learning” from it … by doing something equally as grandstanding and impulsive. “We have to get out of here,” says Ted and Don responds “We.’ That’s an interesting word …” Which means he’s really learned nothing except how to fool himself into thinking he’s improved. Just because you can say “we” in a sentence doesn’t mean you suddenly know how to be a team player.  For the first time in a long time, Mad Men ended on such a tantalizing note that the next 6 days are going to seem excruciatingly long. How will the rest of the partners react to this latest stunt, in which their entire business is upended once again by Don?

But the other partners aren’t quite off the hook, either. There are constant competing agendas and petty feuds among the top decision-makers at SCDP and Joan,MMS6E6+2 Pete and Bert going off on their own and secretly devising a plan to take the company public doesn’t strike us as very smart, from a managerial sense. We thrilled at Joan’s moment of fury, but if Don had known about the plan to take the company public, there would have been every good reason for him not to fire Jaguar. Similarly, Don assumed Joan would be happy to hear that he’d fired Herb, but that’s only because no one has had an honest conversation about what happened with Herb and Joan, and it’s clear now that it hangs heavily over the management of the company (see: the ongoing problem of Harry Crane) and is affecting business decisions. Not that we would expect any of these characters to say, “Hey, let’s sit down and talk about our feelings regarding Joan’s prostitution,” just that the lack of that conversation is causing ongoing problems.  But as the underwriter who was handed the theme hammer this week and told to hit that gong said, “It’s a common mistake to not ask questions when you want something because you’re afraid of the answer.”

A merger with CGC seemed inevitable once Peggy flew the coop, and we felt that the increased focus on the other office this season was signaling such a merger sometime around the finale. The quickness of it took us off-guard, but that’s what made the episode so much fun. And Peggy once again stands in for the audience in the story, because she had the exact same WTF? response that we did. She told Ted earlier in the episode that she used to work with cynical, bitter people and that she waMMS6E6+3s glad to be working with someone strong and nice to her. Then she told Abe that she hated change and wanted everything to remain the same. So it’s no surprise that she is, at best, ambivalent about this news and the possibility of working with Don again; the man who threw dollar bills at her after she saved an account in order to humiliate her. In fact, we’re not sure “ambivalent” is the word. We’re pretty sure she hates the idea of returning to the fold at SCDP, even if it is SCDCC now. But how exciting is this new status quo? Working with one creative director who has mentored her and set her on this path in life while simultaneously working with the other creative director who taught her how to spread her wings and made her realize her worth. Also: kissing. This dynamic is completely upended now. How would Don react if he caught Ted and Peggy kissing? Of course that’s the least of our questions.

How will this new company work? Ted AND Don are creative directors, with Peggy as copy chief? Roger, Jim, AND Pete are all partners in charge of accounts? What about Burt Peterson? Is he coming on board? And all of those baby-faced copywriters Peggy likes to yell at? Or will this be like the time SCDP was formed, and the creators cut the cast in half? Are there going to be mass layoffs after the merger?

Don’t you love that there’s all these questions now? Definitely no mojo lost.

Bullet points, because our fingers are getting tired from typing:

  • We almost felt a little sorry for Pete. His father-in-law always was a moralistic asshole.
  • We’re even sorrier that Trudy’s likely to be mostly gone from the story, although she makes a nice counterpoint to Betty, who agonized over the decision to leave Don. Trudy’s not having it and she doesn’t need to find another man to marry immediately.
  • Nice to see Roger have a major career moment like this. Typically Roger, he got it by sleeping with a stewardess and then getting a GM executive drunk.
  • Jaguar came on as an account through an act of prostitution; Vick Chemical was lost as an account through an act of prostitution.
  • Was that a FUCK YEAH, JOAN moment or what? That was like watching Khaleesi free the slaves of Astapor.
  • Bob Benson just wanders around the office carrying two cups of coffee.
  • Don keeps pitching ads this season where you don’t get to see the product.
  • Never before have subtitles made us laugh so hard in a TV show. “Listen to this idiot.” We loved Marie this episode. It was nice to see her be not quite so much of a bitch to everyone.
  • Poor Megan. She’s really flailing in this marriage, isn’t she?
  • Peaches and Herb.
  • Ted quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson to Peggy when she interviewed for the job. In her fantasy version of Ted, he’s reading “SOMETHING by Ralph Waldo Emerson,” which is HILARIOUS.
  • But not nearly as hilarious as Pete’s pratfall, which may be the Greatest Pete Campbell moment ever.

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  • siriuslover

    Before I even read this post, I have to say, I’m not gonna lie: I dreamt about Ted all night. I’m as bad as Peggy! But what a great episode! Love the lines, loved the colors. Loved the ending with Peggy at her desk. Just awesome all around. My favorite line of the night (of many): “see, this is why everybody hates you!”

    • bxbourgie

      OMG! I thought I was the only one! I can’t believe I find Teddy Chaough incredibly sexy. “I’m just grateful…” Ohhh! Ted! RWARRRR!!!

      • pattycap11

        Ted and his turtlenecks.

        • CarolinLA

          A perfect band name for the era.

      • Topaz

        Yeah, but I find Abe’s facial hair irresistible too. If he just got a shave, Peggy’s decision would be easy.

    • MartyBellerMask

      My favorite line: “I love puppies.”

      • VanessaDK

        Mine: “You had to write that down?” from Ginsberg to Sterling.

        • Iz and Oz

          YES. Ginsberg still has the best zingers even when he’s in less than 30 seconds of the show.

          • Historiana

            Totally! One of the best lines ever from the show is when Roger brings Ginsberg in to work on Manischewitz wine and Ginsberg says, “You seem to be under the impression that I’m Jewish.” LMAO
            He’s by far my favorite character.

        • siriuslover

          yes, that was hilarious, as was Roger’s look at him, like WTF, who are you again?

      • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

        Yes! I laughed out loud.

      • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

        That poor woman tried so hard to be the the supportive wife. She’s the only one who made an effort to have a conversation. Have you ever found yourself saying something stupid to fill space because no one is talking? Maybe not that stupid. Haha. She had no idea what was going on behind the scenes.

        • purkoy28

          i dont know, having someone tell u about their pets in such detail is almost as bad as the people who show pics of their kids to everyone they meet : )

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            I was so uncomfortable with the whole situation that I could barely stand to hear what she was saying. I just wanted the scene to end.

          • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

            …which means that all involved (especially Peaches) did a terrific job with that scene! I felt the same way, when I wasn’t laughing at Marie’s remarks.

        • Froide

          I’m not sure she was COMPLETELY oblivious; with such a jerk husband, she’s had lots of practice trying to keep social events friendly and civil. She clearly knew Herb was steamed (and ” all that that entrails[sic]“, as a friend of ours would say) and I have a feeling she picked up on Marie’s mean girl vibe (and Megan’s counterbalancing nice girl vibe), and was trying to keep things light and friendly. I also think Herb’s wife was savvy enough (or Herb had trained her well enough) to know when to give the guys space to handle their business.

          On the other hand, I think ALL three women were shocked when Don told Megan and Marie the equivalent of: “don’t have a seat, let’s hit the door.” Cute reverse on the episode title “Have a Seat, Shut the Door.”

          • http://twitter.com/Selkiechick Selkiechick

            About Marie and the dinner scene, i felt for the wife that was trying to keep that dinner from being more tense and awkward than it was. When the ladies adjourned, what I thought we were going to get was a scene in the restroom, where in she informed Marie that while she may look Midwestern she went to France or somesuch- some variation on “at least in Cleveland, we have manners…”

      • editrixie

        I thought it would be impossible to best that line, I laughed so hard, but then when Harry Hamlin said, “For the record, if this doesn’t work, I’m against it” I kind of lost it.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        My favorite line was Ken’s: “Where there any other people from Vicks there?”

        • Froide

          “Anyone have a cough drop? ‘Cause they sure don’t!”

          • lilyvonschtupp

            “Anyone have a cough drop? ‘Cause they sure don’t!”

            I forgot about that line. Loved it!

    • http://twitter.com/Orange_Swan Orange Swan

      There is *something* about Ted (see what I did there?). I would never have thought I would find him appealing because I don’t think he’s attractive and he’s been a dick in the past and I’m tired of the incessant infidelity on this show, but he is just so sweet to Peggy and he cared about his friend and partner having cancer.

      • http://twitter.com/Sheba Sheba

        I have a severe crush on Ted. His face is so earnest and kind.

        • kaycem

          it’s no surprise that he was the irresistibly kind, universally well-liked patient on “Scrubs”… (he was the only one to ever make friends with dr. kelso lol.) his face and grin just lend itself to that, i guess.

          • MK03

            I love that episode. I totally yelled “IT’S TED!!” the first time I saw it.

          • editrixie

            Which one was that? Was he the soldier?

        • http://twitter.com/heatherteegee Heather

          And those eyes…sigh.

      • editrixie

        I know. I just can’t figure out when or why I suddenly had a crush on Ted, but I do, big time. The best thing for me about this direction in the show is getting to see Ted more. I’m so done with Don, just so very done, and I would love it if Ted becomes a major player and we get to see him all the time.

        • ideated_eyot

          Ted is the Anti-Don. Genial, warm, goofy and he worships Peggy. Conventionally effective taste in ads, with dark penchant for cattiness, spying and deception in business. Don’s behavioral opposite.

      • http://evangelineholland.com Evangeline Holland

        I never paid attention to the actor until he played a pretty hilarious character on I Think I Hate my Teenage Daughter (horrible name and poorly promoted, but with a solid cast and was actually pretty funny).

      • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

        I didn’t think he was a dick, just kind of a goofy prankster! His character really is awesome. I am so afraid they’re going to turn him into a cad now that he’s in Draper’s orbit. I hope not…Chaough’s adorable!

    • http://twitter.com/AbbottRabbit Emily Dagger

      I have had a crush on Kevin Rahm (Ted) since “Everything’s Relative” — this adorable little quirky shortlived sitcom with Jeffery Tambor & Jill Clayburgh. It’s his bendy little face.

      • Eclectic Mayhem

        *puts hand up* Me too – ever since Judging Amy

        • Le_Sigh

          THAT’S where he’s from!

        • MartyBellerMask

          Can you remind me of his character? I just know I know him from that show, but for the life of me can’t remember who he played. Was he Amy’s assistant?

          • Eclectic Mayhem

            He was the recovering addict, student doctor, cousin Kyle who was introduced in S2 (I think) when Dan Futterman (Amy’s brother Vincent) left the show temporarily to write Capote. At least that’s what the timing looked like…

          • MartyBellerMask

            Aha. I am starting to remember. Interesting that Peggy’s ex Mark (the one who thought she was a virgin) was also on “Judging Amy”. He was the troubled teen Eric Black.

            **In looking up the character name I also found that Jay Ferguson and John Slattery were on “Judging Amy” at some point too.

          • Eclectic Mayhem

            Slattery played Amy’s ex-husband but I hadn’t realised about Jay Ferguson and the other fella – blimey, small world!

          • lilyvonschtupp

            He cowrote Capote????? Sweet!

        • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

          Oh, yeah. I see him around on various shows. I like him, too!

        • http://www.lindamerrill.com/ Linda Merrill

          Totally Judging Amy!

      • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

        You guys are all cracking me up. Ted Chaough huh? Really? I don’t see it. He looks smarmy to me. And I don’t trust him as far as I can throw him. Though he certainly is capable of genuine human emotions as exhibited last night. Even when he approached Don in the bar I thought it was a trick.

        • Eclectic Mayhem

          Not Chaough so much (I don’t really trust him either) but I have a tiny wee soft spot for Rahm himself.

          • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

            Well to each his own. We do agree on footwear however, fabulous and very groovy wedge EM.

        • OtherTim

          Do you wonder if Ted even told Don that the reason he’s so eager to merge is because he and Harry Hamlin [what's the character's name?] need to buy out their third partner, the art director who has pancreatic cancer?

          That nondisclosure is going to come back to bite Ted.

          • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

            Totally agree!

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            You just know it’ll be either Stan or Ginsberg muscling up when Gleason kicks the bucket. I think all hell is gonna break loose!

      • Froide

        Kevin Rahm, to me, will always be Kyle McCarty from “Judging Amy” (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judging_Amy#Main_characters) a character with some similarities to Joan’s ex-husband Greg.

      • http://twitter.com/StellaTex StellaTex

        Judging Amy here.

    • CozyCat

      Favorite line: “Is that Shalimar?”

      • siriuslover

        Shalimar is my middle name (seriously. It was / is my mother’s favorite perfume. I was born late ’60s).

        • Joy

          Hysterical. I love how are parents did stuff like this! My first name is after a character from Dark Shadows that my mom loved.

          • siriuslover

            She was going to name me Sheherazad until the doctor talked her out of it. She ended up naming me (my first name) after some woman who was on a game show.

          • FloridaLlamaLover

            I was named after Cynthia Pepper, a character on “Margie.” That was my sister’s favorite tv show in 1961.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elaine-Lang/100000366510311 Elaine Lang

          Named quite obviously for a character in The Graduate. Was always surprised at how few other “Elaines” I knew, considering that the class one year behind me was chock full of Jennifers, since Love Story came out at that time.

        • http://profiles.google.com/claudiaberry Claudia Berry

          I’m named after Claudia Cardinale, an Italian actress – my parents were watching one of her movies when suddenly . . . they weren’t watching it anymore. That’s all I can write without barfing.

        • Wellworn

          I was named after both my dead grandfathers. And I’m a girl. LOL gotta love those Jewish traditions.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          My mother named me after a Playboy centerfold — Shannon Tweed. Note that I did NOT say my father did… no, that was all Mom’s idea… Made for some awkward answers during the “Where did you get your name?” moments during childhood…

          • formerlyAnon

            That story totally cracks me up for some reason!

        • http://twitter.com/vintagesewing Vtg Fashion Library

          I was named after a soap opera character. Years later, she married a man with the same last name as me, which made HER named after ME. What goes around….

        • awesomesabrina

          I was named after a character in Charlie’s Angels (born late 70s). She was the “smart one” according to my parents.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

        Yes!! My mom always had a bottle of Shalimar. Also, that flowery top Joan was wearing (and also with her hair down) is identical to a blouse my mother had. So many memories from this show.

        • halleygee

          My mom wore Shalimar, too – is that still around? I’d love to catch a whiff, that would really bring back some memories!

          • http://profiles.google.com/claudiaberry Claudia Berry

            OH yeah it’s around, my mom LOVED Shalimar and I like it too, but it’s just not my thing. Shalimar and Youth Dew, the worst named perfume ever.

          • theotherTLO

            My mom STILL wears Shalimar! Totally cracked me up

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Ha ha ha! I wear Shalimar! A teacher at my high school wore it and I always loved it on her, so I started getting it for myself. It’s a really nice fragrance, a little exotic. And Claudia, I have a bottle of Youth Dew I got from my mom from when she was a teenager! It’s still 3/4 full (she didn’t like it). Youth Dew is way stronger.

          • http://grandmassewingcabinet.com/ DrJulieAnn

            *I* wear Shalimar! It is my absolutely favorite fragrance (hence, why I wear it…). Head over to a good quality department store and you’ll be able to get as many whiffs as you’d like. (And, I can’t believe it is your middle name, Sirius!)

          • editrixie

            One of mine, too. But I’ve noticed that sometimes when people don’t like it, it’s because they’re smelling the most watered-down version of it; I’ve shown people the true perfume and they act like it’s a completely different fragrance!

          • Aurumgirl

            Because it is.

          • editrixie

            Ha. OK, point taken.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Or because it doesn’t work on someone they’ve smelled it on. Scents can change drastically based on who’s wearing it.

          • siriuslover

            Yes, and Shalimar is a very woodsy, spicy scent. It’s nice from the bottle, but it does have to work well with one’s own body chemistry (sadly, it does not work well with mine :( )

          • Aurumgirl

            True. But formulations of all perfumes vary depending on the potency/dilution used (alcohol to essential oil content). Eau de Colognes are always slightly different formulations from the actual perfumes, which have the least amount of alcohol content and the highest concentration of the perfume oil substances; and the eau de toilette and eau de parfum versions are also all slightly different. So they’re often different but recognizably similar scents.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Heck, I found a bottle at Target!

          • http://grandmassewingcabinet.com/ DrJulieAnn

            Target!!??? Was it next to the Chantilly Lace and Charlie? (This really puts a ding into my snob factor–Apparently I was a bit too smug about wearing such an old-fashioned fragrance)

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Yes! And weirdly enough, they still make Evening In Paris – I found it at TJ Maxx, of all places! I love Shalimar. It smells so nice.

          • Aurumgirl

            It is, and I wear it a lot!

          • http://twitter.com/vintagesewing Vtg Fashion Library

            I have a bottle and use it frequently. It’s my boyfriend’s favorite.

      • sarahjane1912

        Oh that was brilliant, wasn’t it?! Bizarro Roger working his magic. Or at least it looked that way to me. *GRIN*

        • P M

          Yes, but Harry Hamlin has such a sexy voice. RAWR

          • sarahjane1912

            Indeed. *GRIN*

        • Glammie

          I loved Roger in this episode. Actually, I love the way that Roger seems to be the only one around who can take Don in stride at this point. But, hell, I liked Don in this episode. Yes, his sudden dumping of Jaguar and his sudden merger threw off everyone else’s plans, but it’s in character for him. To some extent, if you want the talent, you deal with the quirks.

          While I think Don is pure crap when it comes to women, I kind of think Pete and Joan should get with the program a bit–Don’s talent has made both of them a lot richer than they would be otherwise. And, no, you can’t blame him for blowing an IPO he doesn’t know about. (Plus, getting that deep into an IPO discussion without telling two of the partners is more than a little shady.)

          Team Don and Roger on this one.

          And, hell, crappy though it was, I didn’t really mind Pete telling Trudy about her father. Though it gets in the way of more-Trudy, which is bad. There always needs to be more Trudy.

          • uprightcitizen

            Besides, Don had really no choice to react that way regarding Jaguar. The guy was asking him to run his agency’s ideas by a kid that the Jaguar dealer had hired to write flyers. Any agency with the slightest bit of dignity would have told him to eff off. But after last week’s episode, where all the Jaguar executives were in the meeting, it seemed clear that Herb did NOT have the authority he thought he had. So, Don could probably just have told him that he’d discuss it with Jaguar (the non-dealer guys), and that would have gone away. Herb was an annoyance, not the actual client.

            I hope they’re not supposedly working on ads for the Camaro. They hinted as such because of the references to looking up everything about the Mustang. Chevrolet came out with the Camaro nearly two years prior, to compete with Mustang.

            The pratfall was the best thing ever, especially because it preceded such dramatic moments as Joan’s blow-up at Don. Writing that shoves humor and tension at you at the same time seems so much more realistic because that’s how life works (or seems to).

          • MK03

            Internet sleuths figured out that they’re working on the Vega.

          • uprightcitizen

            OMG, that’s hysterical. The Vega was such a piece of shit. Aluminum engine that melted if it ever overheated. Funny to imagine Don Draper making it sound exotic.

          • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

            The only thing my husband and I could figure was that it’s supposed to be the Camaro, even though the timing is off.

          • SuzyQuzey

            It’s the Vega. Someone with way more time on their hands than me figured it out.

          • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

            Oh, please. It didn’t take half a second to figure out. You can’t even finish typing “Chevy XP-887″ without google offering up the Vega’s wiki page.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            I think the fall was a blooper gone right. Vincent still went on with the scene brilliantly.

            Kartheiser is really killin’ it this season.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            I was especially impressed with Roger. After hitting rock bottom when Lucky Strike left he seemed to be kind of useless while Pete was the rising star. Now Roger pretty much is back on top while poor Pete went from a career high to a career low in a matter of 24 hours.

            Roger proved that he can still get the job done after he disposes of some of his bullshit (taking copies of his book out of his suitcase; Bert commenting “Roger can handle this.)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000905542323 Rhonda Shore

        That WAS hilarious! Amazing episode. I’ve been anxiously awaiting the analysis (this and SLATE). I’m planning on watching it again, on demand…

      • MartyBellerMask

        It was a great line, because it told you SO much about his character, with so little. MAD MEN has been hitting it out of the park with these guest stars.

      • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

        That was a great line! I hate to say how ancient I am, but I was twenty that year. I think my sister wore Shalimar. I think I’d recognize the scent right now. I wore Jean Nate and Windsong. :-D

        • Wellworn

          My grandmother wore Jean Nate. I remember the shelves in her bathroom dedicated to that fragrance when I was a child in the 60s.

          • FloridaLlamaLover

            My Mom’s favorite perfume was called Kiku by Faberge. She said it was the only perfume that didn’t smell like bug spray on her!

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Mine wore Jean Naté and Evening In Paris! Before she passed away, Nana still had a bottle of Jean Naté in her bathroom cupboard, that had to have been at least 45 years old.

        • Qitkat

          Ancient here too ;-) Windsong, I loved that fragrance. And Muguet des Bois. And White Shoulders, which I wear to this day. I had a college dormmate who wore Jungle Gardenia, a very heady floral perfume.

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            Haha. I still remember the ads. “He can’t get you out of his mind…..Windsong.” I don’t know Muguet des Bois. I liked Jean Nate powder. It was yummy but mild. I see that it’s still around. My BFF wore White Shoulders. I remember Jungle Gardenia, too. I wore Chanel no. 5 in the eighties but I think it has been around forever. I still like it but I can’t tolerate much perfume these days. I heard Paris Hilton say that she has 15 fragrances out with her name on them. IMO, if a fragrance is good, you stick with it. No need for 15 different ones. I’ve read that the celeb perfume business is BIG these days. Too bad IMO. As Chelsey Handler says, Being famous doesn’t mean you should have your own perfume. Amen to that.

          • Glammie

            Chanel No. 5 has been around since the 1920s–since Coco Chanel, herself, approved it.

            Singing, “I can’t seem to forget you, your Windsong stays on myyyyy Minnnnd!” Insert twilighty image of woman on horse. Now wonder exactly what guy was smelling . . .

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            You remembered more accurately than I did. I was pulled into the fantasy of the ad. I don’t understand why women now want to smell like Britney or Paris instead of having a signature scent that isn’t associated with a movie star or celeb.

          • Glammie

            I was just the right age to be sort of fixated on the ad–and, oh, there was Prince Matchibelli in the green crown-shaped bottle. Also completely fascinated by that.

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            OMGosh. Prince Matchibelli. I forgot about that. I’d sure like to breathe some of that in right now.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            That reminds me of the classic, “Eeeeasy for youuuu! Stetsonnnn makes it easy for youuu!” song! Speaking of advertising, I wish they’d bring back perfume jingles.

          • rainwood1

            I agree about having a signature scent. I found a perfume I loved years ago and that’s what I always wear. My husband once smelled it on another woman and said “She’s wearing your perfrume” as if she’d stolen something from me! The power of scent.

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            I also wore Patchouli oil and Franjipani oil. :-D

          • rainwood1

            Who could forget Jungle Gardenia? That stuff was so cloying you smelled of it even if you weren’t the one who’d put it on.

          • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

            White Shoulders. It always makes me think of mom, who died ten years ago. She loved White Shoulders (and Chanel No. 5).

          • Qitkat

            My mom died 10 years ago last month. I still have an empty bottle of Blue Grass by Elizabeth Arden, which still has a faint fragrance and smells just like I remember her. You’ve made me cry, in a good way.

          • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

            hugs… to both of us. :> xo

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          My Dad’s girlfriend worked the finer dept. stores at the time and represented Yves St Laurant line of cosmetics and perfume–I was a Rive Gauche fan. I loved that fragrance so much but they reformulated it since and just isn’t the same.

        • artsykelly

          My mother has worn Arpege since that time (I’m 32, she was 21 in ’68) and now I’ve started wearing it because it is still so timeless and amazing.

          • sarahjane1912

            My mother as well! Arpege was IT for her [she was 33 in '68]. At least until she discovered Hermes Calèche [and now she hops between the two]. *Smiles*

        • JulieTy

          Mine was Woodhue — it was solid and waxy and came on a stick, like a Fudgsicle. :-)
          And, of course, there were the Yardley and Love cosmetics. Goodnight Slicker. And Mary Quant.
          I’m having an odd reaction to this season of Mad Men in terms of nostalgia. In Season 1, everything was “such a long time ago” it seemed glamorous and exotic and voyeuristic. Now that we are in 1968 (I was 12 then) and I’m seeing depictions of events I remember clearly and clothes I actually wore . . . it’s more uncomfortable. It’s been coming on for awhile, but seeing my teenage years depicted to well and so clearly is discomfiting.

          • VictoriaDiNardo

            “Slicker under. Slicker over. Slicker all oooooover” and Jean Shrimpton. I loved the striped tubes on the lipsticks.

            We’re the same age; I’ve been having the same odd discomfort – it was such a tumultuous year.

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            Maybe this has something to do with your own family. I have good and bad memories. I had my first job and my first money and I made all my own clothes. I could afford to make a dress a week. I practically loathed my parents at that time. They were miserable together and our household was miserable. My mother handed my father a drink when he walked in through the door from work. They drank booze all evening and smoked their ciggies. I hate the sound of ice in the glass. The women’s movement was picking up steam and within a few years I’d go from tent dresses and a Sasoon haircut to growing my hair to my waist and wearing bellbottoms and embroidered clothes. The pretense of this period nauseated me, and for that reason, these scenes and this show give me pangs of sadness. The counter-culture and what I related to were a reaction to this very way of life. They are all on a merry-go-round living a fake life.

            I loved the clothes from this period. But I loved the hippie influence on clothes even more because the false eyelashes and hair pieces gave way to beautiful natural hair and makeup.

          • lulubella

            This.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.mcada Lisa Huntsman McAda

            My mom wore Woodhue and Tigress, by the same manufacturer.

          • snarkalicious

            Thank you for articulately describing the bizarre sensation I have been experiencing with the show this season (and a bit of the last one). It sometimes feels like I’m getting to spy on my parents or something.

        • rainwood1

          I’d totally forgotten about Windsong. I wore that too, but can’t remember if it was before or after Charlie (of the Shelley Hack commercial fame).

          • formerlyAnon

            Before Charlie, I think. But Windsong was around (as t.v. ads) longer, so they probably overlapped.

        • Aurumgirl

          Windsong was a “knock off” of Nina Ricci’s L’Air du Temps, I almost remember it as a 70′s fragrance more than a 60′s fragrance (specifically, seeing those Girl On A Horse ads in Seventeen magazines when I was about 11 years old–that would have been ’74 or so, and seeing the commercials on TV featuring the song). I remember Woodhue by L’Entherique, too–my mom had a little collection of those fragrances which I always thought of as “English”–Woodhue, Tweed. I loved all those fragrances–Rive Gauche, Arpege (which they’ve destroyed, by the way; I have a couple of vintage spray bottles of that perfume and a “new” bottle that just doesn’t compare, I can’t wear it). I think it’s good to have more than one perfume. But the classic ones always seem to conjure up some interesting memories and connotations, like Shalimar did in this episode.

        • frite

          oh oh… my favorite perfume ad of the time (I think same timeframe) for the fragrance Ambush: painting of a man lifting a woman to her feet & kissing her while she was in the midst of playing piano. Impulsive, romantic…

          • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

            Oh yes. I’ve forgotten much more than I thought. I wore Ambush as well. That picture is vivid in my mind, but I wasn’t connecting it with the right perfume. Did it come in dark pink packaging?

          • Joan Dahlgren

            No, same company (Dana), but the ad you’re thinking of was for another one of their perfumes (Tabu). Ah Ambush….I remember it well.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.mcada Lisa Huntsman McAda

          I can’t seem to forget you, your Wind Song stays on my mind…..

      • http://www.facebook.com/vlasta.bubinka Vlasta Bubinka

        I’m torn between that and “Spirits of elderflower”

        • editrixie

          I spent so much time laughing last night, which hasn’t happened in ages. When Bert said “spirits of elderflower” I thought I might pee my pants. At the next commercial I almost went to my liquor cabinet and poured a glass of St. Germain.

          • lulubella

            Mmmm, St. G with Hendrick’s gin and Q tonic …

      • gogobooty

        Harry Hamlin is NAILING Bad Breath Jim. Can’t ya just feel his halitosis reeking?

    • Iz and Oz

      I seriously have an irrational crush on Ted too. I don’t know what it is about him – maybe because even though he can be as swarmy as the rest of the ad guys, but deep down he has a heart of gold (kindness to Peggy, caring about his partner having cancer, etc.)

      SIGH.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

      “She’s the apple that goes in the pig’s mouth” – Marie about Peaches.

      • http://twitter.com/nkk Nikki

        This is my new favorite diss… definitely up there with some other naughties… so fantastic!

    • JosephLamour

      We all do. Who knew gay husband #2 from Desparate Housewives could make us swoon?

    • Lattis

      On the subject of dreams:

      Ok so I had a dream a couple of nights ago that I won a dinner with T Lo at their house. I was all confused about which of their houses I was going to meet them (their NYC house, their Philadelphia house, their Palm Springs house, or their California Beach House). I eventually met them in Palm Springs (a place I’ve never been) and we were eating lunch in a restaurant. I was, you know, “OMG Tom and Lorenzo! I think you guys are great . . . etc. etc. ” Then Lorenzo pulls a huge wad of cash (it’s like a folded over 6 inch thick wad of $100 dollar bills) from his pocket, flips through it and pays the waiter.

      This dream, I’m sure reveals some embarrassing truth about me. ha

    • http://www.facebook.com/sofi0518 Sofia Lopez Garcia

      I can only see him as the gay neighbor on Desperate Housewives. They ruined it for me!

    • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

      ME TOO! He’s so cute. My favorite line was “I wanted to watch Hazel, but the reception’s bad.”

  • bxbourgie

    As soon as I saw “Something” by Ralph Waldo Emerson I knew you guys would mention it. Effing HILARIOUS!!! Best Mad Men episode EVER!

    • siriuslover

      Smoking jacket Teddy. I can see you and I are going to have to start our own mini-thread during next week’s MM Lounge!

      • bxbourgie

        YAAAS!! I need more Teddy Chaough in my life! I’ll bring the drinks, a sip for each Ted sighting next week. I already spied him in the promo for next weeks ep. I can’t wait to see the look on the other partner’s faces when they find out about the merger.

    • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

      The “Hazel” line killed it for me. Kenneth the Page’s dad. Totally.

  • marishka1

    As soon as I saw the “written by Matthew Weiner” tagline, I knew this episode would be epic!

    • sarahjane1912

      YES! Exactly what I thought: great ep up ahead!

  • VanessaDK

    My crystal ball says:
    Arnie and Sylvia are going to move to Loma Linda California where he will be the first doctor to transplant a baboon heart into a human baby (actually that was Dr Leonard Bailey in 1985). Anyway–they will move, and this will either be (a) the end of Don’s affair with Sylvia, no big deal, he moves on as if it never happened; or (b) the beginning of a new life as Don convinces Megan to take a movie role in California, and chases Sylvia there, taking Harry Crane and Stan and opening
    a new SCDP/CGC office there.

    • MartyBellerMask

      Maybe Harry will finally get some more staff!

      • Aurumgirl

        I’m baffled as to why everyone seems to think Harry’s job is so overwhelming. Like Harry, Peggy also has a TV in her office, probably because she’s also managing TV as well as print copy. Looks like Peggy can do both, all in her stride, without the whingeing and jet-setting name dropping Harry needs to make his position viable. Harry has no more staff because he doesn’t need any.

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          Harry’s job is quite a bit more than watching TV.

          • Aurumgirl

            That’s true. There’s no evidence that all Peggy does with the TV in her office is catch a show now and then. We know she works for a small firm, with a small number of creatives, and we don’t know about anyone else now except for Gleason and Cutler and Ted. Someone’s doing TV in Peggy’s office, my thinking is she may well be in charge of whatever that entails there, too.

        • Sobaika

          Aside from her having a TV in her office, we have zero indication that Peggy’s managing TV.

          • jenno1013

            Yes we do…remember the eleventh-hour re-do of the headphones ad for the Super Bowl? She proposed using the film of the actor goofing off between takes…there were print ads for that campaign too, but it was down to her to come up with a replacement TV spot that didn’t specifically mention “ears.”

          • Sobaika

            I stand corrected!

          • http://twitter.com/FranticButFab Heidi/FranticButFab

            They’re actually two different jobs. Peggy develops creative for TV. Harry manages the media buying of the airtime on TV that the commercials run on. In other words, Peggy helps come up with the ideas for the commercials. Harry helps figure out which shows those commercials should run on and then buys the airtime for them.

        • the_archandroid

          The thing that’s kind of sad about Harry, besides his asshole demeanor, is that he actually is a work horse for the firm, does his job, does it consistently, and does it well. But the thing that Harry doesn’t do, and probably the reason why he won’t ever get his initials in the letterhead (though honestly they have enough C’s already) is that he doesn’t make dramatic ballsy (sometimes stupid) business moves. All of his drama seems to be reserved for petulant whinging but never for epic business deals.

          • filmcricket

            That’s because bringing in business is not his job. He doesn’t chase clients and he doesn’t create ad campaigns. He’s a liaison between SCDP clients and the networks, and his job is to buy ad time on shows that will benefit the clients. He needs to know the players on both sides and be cognizant of a LOT of different factors, but he’s not creative and he’s not sales, his Joe Namath idea the other week notwithstanding.

            That said, he does take a lot of initiative when it comes to his job, as much as Pete does (or did, in the old days). We’ll see if they ever reward him more substantially for that alone.

          • Glammie

            Yep, and because he doesn’t bring in business and business wouldn’t leave with him, people in the media-buying part of an agency aren’t going to be considered as partner. Though Mad Men may throw this out the window. I suppose if SCDP goes public then Harry would be able to negotiate for some options.

          • Glammie

            No, it would be, in the real world, because media directors and buyers don’t create the product and they don’t bring in clients. It’s an overhead job. The account executives manage the clients and talk them into spending a certain amount. Creative creates the copy, then Harry would figure out where to buy time on the networks. You get a revenue kickback from the networks for doing that, but Harry’s job doesn’t generate business the way Don’s and Pete’s do.

            If Harry left, no clients would walk and other people could do his job. Doesn’t mean he’s not good at his job, it’s just the reality of how the agency business works.

        • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

          We’ve also seen Peggy with a decent amount of just creative related staff members.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      I imagine they’ll move to Houston and we’ll miss a bunch of drama of him trying to work with Dr DeBakey.

      • not_Bridget

        Yeah–or with Denton Cooley. The donors at the Medical Center were still paying big bucks to bring top doctors to Texas. (This was mentioned during Joan’s marriage–but her hubby was never a prize catch. Which even she finally realized.)

        Or Arnie takes a dive from the building. Don, being out of the doldrums because of new challenges at work, will already have had less time to waste with Sylvia….

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

      Love this idea! They have been mentioning a west coast office for some time, so I think that sounds perfectly viable if they’re going to swing a bat in the Majors. I always saw Harry as eventually becoming frustrated with the ad game and becoming a Hollywood agent, but this could work. And I could see Don taking Stan since they seem to work together well, they complement each other instead of competing (as Don and Ginsberg do.) Who would be the account man? Maybe Roger? He doesn’t have much keeping him in NYC. Also, I could see Cooper wanting to move out there. He could walk around barefoot and develop an interest in yoga and meditation.

    • Girl_With_a_Pearl

      I was wondering who Harry Crane’s counterpart is at Ted Chaough and what would happen to Harry’s job.

      • gogobooty

        Also, didn’t we see the Kurts working with Ted once upon a time? What happened to them? Just freelancing?

        • MartyBellerMask

          I think only one was Kurt, the other was Smitty. But maybe Kurt was Kurt Smith? IDK I think you’re right that they had matching names somehow.
          But anyway.
          Yes, Smitty (the not openly gay one) was working at CGC at some point…

    • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

      Oh that is a very interesting idea. Many intersting ideas….hmmm….

    • CozyCat

      I think Sylvia could be this season’s suicide. Which kind of Catholic guilt will win?

    • Glammie

      I’m not sure Sylvia means that much to Don, but, yeah, what about a branch office? Smaller agencies than SCDP have then and this episode seems to be hinting at the possibilty. Plus we know Weiner thinks the show’s partly about the decline of New York and emergence of California.

      • SuzyQuzey

        They’re going to have to open a branch in Detroit to take care of Chevy.

  • http://twitter.com/hmbscully WendyD

    This episode was absolutely stellar. It was so well paced and it seemed to touch on every character. Felt like way more than an hour (and 4 minutes). JOAN FTW! Cannot wait for next week!!

  • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

    OMG not even sure where to start…

    Peggy left for a reason, her being back with Don is
    bittersweet…curious if his treatment of her will change…

    In some ways Peggy is so self assured, but the fact she let
    herself be persuaded to live in a neighborhood that she hates is baffling…she basically
    paid to live in a place that is worse than her old one…

    Peggy fantasizing about Ted… there is poop on her stairs…anyone
    would fantasize to get of that place…

    I love watching Roger do his job; he is SO good at it

    Pete, Joan and Bert alliance, I didn’t see that one coming

    Pete gets mad at Don for keeping him in the dark but didn’t
    see a problem not including him in the meeting to go public…???

    Pete falling down the stairs in slow motion times
    infinity-he deserves it

    Joan gets mad at the one person who tried to stop her from
    sleeping with the Jaguar guy

    Trudy and Pete-dunzo after that stuff he said about her
    father

    • Sobaika

      Re: going public – they definitely should have told more people, without question. That being said, Don is creative. The through and through corporate-type people (Joan, Pete, and Bert) were the ones handling it.

      I was thrilled for Joan when the accountant complimented her work. She deserves a lot more recognition for her skills and acumen.

      • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

        Don is creative but he is also a partner. He definitely should have been in the meeting. I think Pete went around him to gather support before going to Don. Like Joan stated, Don is always motivated by money and he knew he needed back up before approaching him. I love all things Joan, she really is just as smart as all the people working there:)

        • 3hares

          I thought Joan said the opposite, that Don doesn’t care about money. He’d be bored with them going over the books. Don would be invited to the meeting when they presented the idea, not the meeting when they were just taking stock of the company financially.

          • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

            She did, typo:) LOL sorry Monday morning Pete told Don I was going to tell you at dinner and that were are going public. I am just stating the decision should have been made until there was more of a discussion

          • Glammie

            But they were already meeting with underwriters and getting stock share estimates without having told Don or Roger. Very bad form.

            Wonder what the share division is, anyway? Pete and Joan have smaller shares than Bert, Roger and Don, but I can’t remember the division. Do Bert, Pete and Joan make up 50 percent?

      • VanessaDK

        This episode I finally realized how much the conflicts parallel all the corporate entities that combine creative and business people. The business people think that the creatives serve them by providing material they can use to make money, and the creative people think that the business staff should exist to provide the infrastructure for them to do great things.

        • HengRu

          My favorite illustration of that divide is the time that the publisher of the magazine where I was one of the editors flipped through an issue and gave us her perspective on the content: “Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, AD; bullshit, bullshit, AD…”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

        Yes! I love that Joan finally got a genuine compliment on her WORK for once. And then Pete went and turned it into something sexual, because he’s an ass.

        • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

          She got it for the work she helped Harry with, too, back in the day.

      • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

        I agree. I loved that too.

      • P M

        “My compliments to the chef”. High praise indeed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1355741217 Melina Barbone Leone

          I thought it was an odd complement alluding to “cooking the books”…

      • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

        Joan runs the office. She knows what’s going on (usually) and she keeps confidences. She’s a jewel employee who deserves a partnership. I think her tight clothes tell us that she isn’t afraid of her assets.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1302929 Sarah Rogers

        Joan looooves it when people compliment her books. Remember how she beamed when Lane told her “the books have been held together with spit and tape” since she left?

    • VanessaDK

      Matthew Weiner and Scott Hornbacher are consummate New Yorkers, but I thought this version of the Upper West Side was a little extreme. There were lots of nice, old places there, even in the 1960s–my mother lived in an apartment in an old townhouse like that in the 1950s which I am sure was quite acceptable. If Peggy could afford an apartment on the upper East side, I am surprised that she and Abe bought a crappy building on the Upper West side (with addict tenants that they need to deal with). I am also surprised that Abe wanted to be a landlord.

      • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

        Yeah it was totally over the top. I feel like Peggy and Abe should have compromised. There is a mid point between that place and the UES.

      • bxbourgie

        So is that what they did, bought an entire building??? I thought they just bought (or hopefully rented) that apartment. I say rented because I’m totally shipping her and Ted, so when they get together and he leaves his wife, Peggy can leave Abe in that apartment and move in with Ted to the apartment she lost out on on York because Ted was the one who won the bid for it. Yes, I have this all planned out in my mind…

        • VanessaDK

          They discuss the need to get rid of the addict tenant who poops on the stairs, so I assumed they own the building (probably a townhouse/brownstone) and live in one of the apartments.

          • not_Bridget

            It could even be a building that had once been a fine, multi-story house & was subdivided later. For now, they can fix up their part, collect rent from the rest–& consider taking over the whole thing as they can afford it. And as their family grows. (Hey, I watch HGTV!)

            If that actually happens.

          • MK03

            Nope. I think we can safely say that Peggy and Abe are toast.

          • Munchkn

            Income Property!

          • editrixie

            Too bad they don’t have sexy Scott to help them attract a better tenant.

          • Froide

            Their building is an UWS version of the St. Mark’s Place building where Betty went looking for the violinist, and the upstairs tenants are callbacks to Don’s junkie-artist ex-girlfriend and her junkie husband.

        • MilaXX

          I thought they just bought the apartment. Why would they want to be landlords? They both have full time jobs.

          • Froide

            I think Abe’s a freelancer, with unsteady (and perhaps not so high) income. That’s why he was so excited by the NYT gig to photograph the riots following MLK’s assassination.

            Remember last ep., when Abe took offense because he misunderstood Peggy’s statement, “I feel like I’m in this alone,” and he later said he felt he didn’t have a say because it wasn’t his money?

          • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

            I think we’ll see Abe involved in the plot line that surrounds the Democratic National Convention — he’ll be useful for that, and because of his new NYTimes connection, he might be sent to Chicago to cover the convention — but after that, he’ll be toast with Pegs.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            The whole Gene McCarthy thing with Abe is also interesting in relation to RFK. McCarthy said some pretty wretched things after RFK got assassinated, like “demagoguing to the last!” and saying RFK deserved it for mentioning Israel. I could see where Abe’s political espousing, and ignoring Peggy’s moderateness, would piss her off.

          • Aurumgirl

            When Peggy was telling Megan about “becoming neighbours” and looking at apartments in Don’s neighbourhood, she described how she “saved her money, sent money to her mother….but somehow there was this tax problem…”, meaning she had made a lot of money and needed to invest it in something or risk losing a lot of her income to taxes. It seems she’s excellent at managing her income, and to me, it makes a lot of sense to buy a house that could give you not only a place to live but also a fairly good income as well. If Peggy’s concerned about managing her money all ready, it may be something she’d consider as opposed to just buying an apartment.

            Also, I have friends who did this–they bought a stately old home that had been divided up into rental apartments. They both had very good paying jobs and standing tenants in the building they bought. The tenants paid for the mortgage completely, all they had to do was make sure repairs were made. It is a really good way to save a lot of money, live for free and acquire property that’s valuable for free. Well, really, all you’d need is a steady income and a down payment and this would be a great way to make some good investments and a lot of money.

          • MilaXX

            I could see it working. I know many people do this. I just can’t imagine Peggy doing it. Especially considering the first apt she tried to buy. If she did buy the building, my guess is this is more Abe’s influence.

        • Not applicable

          didn’t she say to Don at the end: “I just bought an apartment”? that was her way of accepting the ‘offer.’ I’m *hoping* she bought the entire townhouse…

          • CozyCat

            I think it was an acceptance in the terms: “I can’t afford to quit!”

            Ah, Peggy! the chains of upper middle class existence are slowly wrapping themselves around you…..

          • Not applicable

            exactly. (and it’s like, welcome to the club!)

          • Froide

            She couldn’t afford to quit, and she couldn’t afford for the new partnership to fail. Peggy was feeling what Joan was feeling, minus the I-prostituted-myself-to-that-fat-pig-for-what?! part.

          • Aurumgirl

            But if the merger hadn’t happened, Peggy would have have been out of a job when CGC folded. It’s not like she really had a choice here–with the merger she gets to stay employed.

      • elizabeth

        Totally agree. And by the 1970s, the UWS was already pretty nice, so I think Peggy’s made a GREAT investment, whether or not Abe sticks around. On a completely other topic, do you all think that Pete’s fall was scripted, or did VK just slip and yet somehow manage to stay in character?

        • jenno1013

          I wondered that too. A stuntman could do that fall over and over and have it look real every time, but I kind of doubt that VK could have done multiple takes of that (if it were in the script) and have it been as convincing on take 12 as on take 1. My money’s on a real slip and staying in character. Which is brilliant.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            A well-trained actor can do physical work like that without a problem. The scene was constructed with reaction shots of Don and Caroline attempting to suppress laughter. It was definitely not a slip-up.

          • VanessaDK

            Exactly, plus the way he holds his arms up as he runs down positions him to grab the railing when he slips. I said below I love how the fall stops him on the stairs and makes his rant against Don a matter for the whole office to hear from his position on high.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Yeah, that was definitely a staged pratfall! VK really did that masterfully.

          • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

            Why not? We’re talking about falling down some stairs – VK’s not required to leap from building to building here.

          • SonOfSaradoc

            …swinging from vine to vine like Tarzan/Superman/Don.

          • Froide

            He did a lot of that in his role of “Conner” in “Angel”.

          • Zaftiguana

            That kind of fall is actually super simple. Even if you’ve never done stage falls, you could probably do it pretty decently after an afternoon workshop. An actor with any moderate experience could master it in no time.

            I bet he had some ass pads on, though, in case of multiple takes.

        • CozyCat

          VK was pretty athletic on “Angel.” Not all of that could have been a stunt man.

        • Girl_With_a_Pearl

          Oh it was scripted. Very impressive physical acting. Vincent Kartheiser is so overdue an Emmy for his role as Pete.

        • lilyvonschtupp

          I am still under the belief that this was a blooper gone right. But I do the the point the other posters are making.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            It’s simply not in the nature of a scripted show as meticulously planned as this one to simply wing a scene – and to decide on the spot to do camera and lighting setups to show the reaction shots of Caroline and Don to the fall. Time is money in TV production – and everyone thinks they have too little of both to get the job done.

            This is what good acting and directing does; it makes you believe the false reality they’re presenting to you.

          • Aurumgirl

            I think that if you didn’t have the training to do that fall properly, you’d have a fractured tailbone from the number of takes it would take to get the scene right. Even if it were a blooper–that’s a lot of pain to endure! So it had to be scripted and blocked.

      • formerlyAnon

        Yeah, but I kept thinking “crazy like a fox, that one.” Move somebody in to help take care of the property (’cause I don’t see either of these two putting the necessary time into it) and in the fulness of time they’re going to make a killing.

        • Lisa_Co

          NYC rent laws then (and even now) require buildings with 6 or more apartments to have a super. It’s not like the landlord does the work him/her self.

          • formerlyAnon

            As few as 6? I didn’t know that, thanks.

      • CozyCat

        I can imagine Abe wanting to buy the most rundown building in the worst part of town to prove his radical roots.

        Peggy is giving in to him and sacrificing what she really wants to save the relationship–that can’t last forever.

        • gogobooty

          Abe is sucha Michael Stivic!

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            OMG – spot on! That’s who I was trying to figure out what his character reminded me of. Even down to the way he whines. Perfect.

      • http://twitter.com/kepsternyc Kelly Payfer

        Well, Joan and Roger did get mugged on the UWS 2-3 years earlier (leading of course to Baby Kevin) so I guess they were trying to reinforce that dangerous image. That said I live in the West 80s and I’m psyched to have Peggy as a TV neighbor- I like to think that she lives down the block from Liz Lemon and Grace Adler…

        • JulieTy

          Me too!! West 80s!!! Huzzah!!!

          • Lisa_Co

            My first apartment in 1979 was in a brownstone on West 85th street between CPW and Columbus. The dicey blocks were between Columbus Ave. and Amsterdam.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Oh wow! It’s so different now…my friend lived at 96th and Columbus in the Columbia building for a few years, and now it’s yuppie central there. It’s amazing to think how much things have changed in 30 years.

        • Lisa_Co

          The exterior of Grace’s apt. is a building on 89th and Riverside Drive. I live 6 blocks away and once checked out the address.

      • VictoriaDiNardo

        I think it also depended on where on the UWS. I moved into a brownstone apartment at Columbus and 76th Street in 1978 and it was it was definitely gentrifying, but some people were surprised I moved there. I was broken into twice and had a masturbating peeper at my window one morning, so it had it’s moments. East toward the park or west toward the river, it was more established. A year later I moved to 72 on the block off the park ( near the Dakota ) and felt much safer.

      • rag254

        There were still prostitutes on Broadway near Lincoln Center in the early 80s. Disney NYC really didn’t happen until the late 90s.

  • VanessaDK

    What if Bob *knew* that Pete’s father in law was going to be at the brothel? He was the one that suggested it….

  • MartyBellerMask

    There was a comment several episodes back about how SCDP’s and CGC’s ketchup ads were two halves of a perfect campaign.
    BRAVA, Bitter Kitten whose name I can’t recall. You so nailed this. You were right at the time, and now BAM, super-right. MERGED.

  • http://twitter.com/miamoreno_ Mia

    Loved this episode. Finally, felt good at the credits.

  • Sobaika

    I’m semi-convinced Bob Benson doesn’t even work there.

    Getting punched by Lane rivals falling down the stairs for Eat Shit, Pete moments. And for me it still wasn’t the funniest part of the episode. I laughed myself silly when Don left the conference room and the entire staff scurried about like mice.

    • siriuslover

      hahahahahaha, OMG that’s hilarious. Bob Benson is trolling SCDP!

      • CozyCat

        Those little comic touches have been missing in all the seriousness lately. Bob and the coffee cups; the scurrying employees; Pete falling down the stairs; Ted in his smoking jacket–they all contributed to the fun this episode. It felt like a whole season of fun!

    • zenobar

      Bob Benson is going to surprise us all at some point this season. He meanders through at least one scene a week these days – surely it’s a setup for something shocking (or at least really funny, I hope)?

      • http://twitter.com/chylde chylde

        I think he’s a spy from one of the larger agencies.

        • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

          I agree! he is a mole for someone.

          • charlotte

            If you do some serious TV mash-up, he could be the mole in Homeland who time-travels in a TARDIS.

        • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

          Bob was introduced in the first episode, but since then he popped up in episodes 3 and 5 this season. In both, people knew things they shouldn’t know. In episode 3, Heinz beans found out about SCDP’s meeting with Heinz ketchup, and SCDP lost the business. This was after Bob was loitering around creative downstairs speculating over what “Project K” was. In episode 5, Bob was involved in the whole Vick’s thing, and another agency knew that SCDP lost Vick’s before anyone at SCDP did, including Pete. I think he’s definitely a spy or something. He smiles too much to be benign.

        • lilyvonschtupp

          Bob Benson that little weasel-is always around when something pops off.

          If he’s not a spy, he’s going to end up running the place in 10 years.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            ….Or everyone will be dead by his hand….

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Someone’s been watching 30 Rock! :o)

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Yes! Anyone else wondering if Ted Chaough is actually related to Kenneth the Page? Also, I see you’re a Blazing Saddles fan!

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Someone’s been watching 30 Rock! :o)

      • MilaXX

        with those same 2 cups of coffee

      • Spicytomato1

        Someone, somewhere was speculating that maybe he’s Death, like in Meet Joe Black. Funny.

      • Eclectic Mayhem

        All I know is that I want to punch his smarmy face every time I see him.

        • siriuslover

          I know! But he looks like a really young George Clooney.

        • CozyCat

          I love that he offered to pay for Pete’s prostitute!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

        I’m thinking it’s going to be Guy MacKendrick-esque in its epicness.

      • sweetlilvoice

        Could he be a male prostitute trying to lure one of the partner’s into a dalliance? Then some photos, then a partnership….never mind. That’s just gross. Maybe he’s just trying to test out theories on how much coffee people can consume?

      • Nicholas

        If they land a lawn-mower account, I’ll be counting the minutes.

        • sarahjane1912

          Only if it’s a ride-on mower account. ;-)

      • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

        I like the theory that he’s Death, hovering around SCDP.

    • VanessaDK

      Maybe Bob Benson gets to open the Detroit office of SCDP/CGC for the Chevy Vega–there’s the career move he’s looking for (not).

      • Robyn Garrett

        Maybe Bob Benson is some sort of spy!

        • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

          I think he’s a spy. I kind of want to go back and keep a record of every time he pops up so I can chart what he’s doing in the show.

          • P M

            Do it! Do it!

    • jill

      … and then he says, “Get in here!” like they were his kids. Don in probably his most true-to-life fatherly moment. ;)

      • P M

        And they all scurry in – they don’t even shuffle

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129137319 Paula Pertile

      Maybe he’s like Kramer, when he “worked” at that place, but really didn’t.

      • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

        ha, ha, ha!!!

    • Stitches

      Don’s “I love puppies” line killed me.

      • P M

        +100 lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

      I just love it when Pete has one of these slapstick moments. Vince Kartheiser does an amazing job portraying Pete with just the right mixture of snottiness and sympathy.

      • Sobaika

        VERY true. I’m surprised he doesn’t get more award/critics love. He nails it consistently, and is the only one who can make dialogue like “HELLS BELLS, TRUDY!” and “CHRIST ON A CRACKER!” work.

        • Spicytomato1

          Yes. His portrayal of Pete is amazing, so astonishingly nuanced. I’d say he hits it out of the park consistently and I’ve also wondered why he hasn’t gotten more critical acclaim.

          • Zaftiguana

            It’s probably pretty hard to stand out in an ensemble like this, especially if you’re not a fan favorite.

        • Melissa Brogan

          I think people are so repulsed by the character of Pete Campbell that it’s hard to look past it and see what excellent work Kartheiser is doing.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1302929 Sarah Rogers

            I think this is true. I never catch the man acting. He’s really incredible.

          • Glammie

            Yeah, I think that’s got to be it. Pete’s such a little slime that he makes one’s skin crawl. Good stuff. Oh, and unsexy. I think if he were sexy and villainous he’d be better appreciated. Poor Vincent–though I think he has fun doing the role. It’s a *great* role.

          • Froide

            I was shocked, when seeing VK and his fiancee in a interview and later seeing him on Andy Cohen’s “Watch What Happens Live”, that VK’s adorable, sexy, and charismatic. Fantastic actor, that VK, He makes my skin crawl on “Mad Men”.

          • Nicholas

            Same with January Jones. Being an “unlikeable” character is very unforgiving.

            Jon Hamm probably isn’t going to get an acting award anytime soon, if they keep this kind of writing up.

        • http://twitter.com/heatherteegee Heather

          No one on this show gets enough award love! It’s frustrating!

    • MK03

      I like to think Pete’s fall was Lane pushing him from the great beyond.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        Genius!

    • VicD

      I also went to Beloit College (although Bob would have been years before my time), and I laughed last night to see him wearing a tie striped with the Beloit colors (navy and gold). “I’m Bob Benson. I’m upstairs in Accounts. Beloit College, Wharton MBA. Secor, Mohawk, Life Cereal.” Although, if he’d REALLY gone to Beloit, his MBA would be from the University of Chicago.

  • VanessaDK

    When Roger was enticing Daisy back to bed, I kept waiting for her to say “I have to go to Barcelona; Flight 18”

    • http://twitter.com/mowa542 mowa542

      I had the same reaction and the tune started playing in my head the minute Roger said “don’t go”

    • Glammie

      And Madrid!

      Yep, I thought it too. Wonder if it was a bit of a shout-out to Sondheim?

      • MK03

        Maybe, since Christina Hendricks played the stewardess in the Lincoln Center production of Company a couple of years ago. It works on several levels…

        • Glammie

          Thanks for the tip. There’s a nice 10-minute clip of her performance on Youtube–including the butterfly monologue as well as “Barcelona”. Not a powerful singer, but, as usual, her acting’s strong–worth seeing a different side to her.

    • FloridaLlamaLover

      Ok, I don’t get the reference. Can you clue me in?

      • CarolinLA

        It’s from the musical Company.

      • VanessaDK

        In the 1972 Sondheim musical “Company” there is a scene where the hero, Bobby, wakes up to find his flight attendant girlfriend getting ready to leave and tries to get her to come back to bed. The song is called “Barcelona” . There is a very nice concert version with MM’s Christina Hendricks and Neil Patrick Harris, that you can find if you google it.

  • Frank_821

    I loved that Joan moment like everyone else. She was so right to cut into Don after what she went through for them to get it. Also no matter how big of dick Herb is, Don did not have the right to blithely fire Jaguar since they were a major account for them-especially when he snuck around to get heinz and lost the beans account

    Oh Peggy-you have lousy judgement with men

    As much of a weasel and a brat as Pete can be, I always feel bad for him and root for him when it comes to his dealings with his asshole father-in-law. For him to call out Pete as a lousy father on top of his moral outrage was too much. Part of me was glad he told Trudy. And no matter how much she denies it, deep down she knows Pete was telling her the truth. And as much as I have come to respect trudy, the truth is also Pete had to fight and demand a lot of the “help” her father gave him

    • MartyBellerMask

      But Trudy was right when he said Pete had a lot of options. Pete didn’t really have to be hurtful and spiteful. If he TRULY wanted Trudy back, he would have let it go. Treated Trudy like she deserves and eventually won back approval of Daddy. But Pete is impatient and immature. Even after having time to think it over, this wasn’t a rash reaction. Pete is Pete, and like Don, he doesn’t change.

      • Frank_821

        Oh I agree. Pete was selfish and he didn’t have to bring up the bordello. His anger at her father trumped any feelings for her. It’s clear their marrriage was at the point where he was no longer concerned about shielding her from the crap he gets from her father.

        But at the same time his father-in-law had options as well. He would know eventually the news about Vicks pulling out would reach Trudy’s ears. There would ahve to be some kind of explanation and she would know it couldn’t be because the firm was doign a lousy job. He’s always had a contempt for Pete-part of it is justified for certain. I can understand the hypocrisy of the man being the last straw for Pete. Especially when he said “you’ll do the right thing”. He expects Pete to still keep his mouth shut and maintain propriety and even though he’s called him scum and unfit to be a father

        Of course, ultimately Trudy is the one getting hurt in all of this

      • Sobaika

        And Pete was trying to win her back. The scene with Trudy in bed was all about them working through it, she said something along the lines of ‘I see the changes you’re making and take them into account’ – Pete wasn’t just spilling the beans about his father-in-law, he was putting the final nail in the coffin of their marriage.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

          See, that’s the thing. I realize this hurts Trudy a lot, but honestly, it’s Pete showing his true colors, and she is well shot of him. Of course he thinks revenge is more important than his marriage, and Trudy is totally right to take things into account over time, because inevitably he will do something hateful. He is as incapable of change as Don is. Trudy deserves far, far better.

        • sweetlilvoice

          Can I just say how fine Ms. Trudy looked in bed? Just beautiful! Loved her gown and robe. And Pete, take your socks off! No women likes that.

          • P M

            Yeah, but her housecoat was HILARIOUS. I hope it makes Mad Style for the sleeves alone

          • CheriCPat

            Women who think they are waking up alone do NOT sleep in that kind of lingerie. Trudy was hoping he would show up and she dressed for it.

          • sarahjane1912

            Yup! She dressed the part of Sexy Available Wife juuuuuuuuusssssssst so she could turn him down [well, that's how it felt to me]. I’m sure she has loads of those ‘rich housewife drag’ ensembles [thanks, TLo!] but I really felt that she was working the look for Pete’s ‘benefit’.

            See what you’re missing, boy, because you can’t be a GOOD boy? Or something. ;-)

          • CozyCat

            Wonder if HER mom gave her advice about dressing to make her husband want to get between her whatever-you-call-them-in-French’s.

          • http://twitter.com/Nomotron Chris S.

            cuisses

          • Froide

            pantaloons

          • Glammie

            Yep, she was playing a bit of a power game–punishing him for cheating on her, but also enticing him. His revelation about her daddy wasn’t just about getting back at his father-in-law, but was a way of getting at Trudy’s base of power.

            Funny thing is, I think he still loves Trudy. He doesn’t, though, like kow-towing, even though that’s his job. Or maybe it’s because it is his job.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mynameishui Stella Hui

            That sounds right on the money. It’s the 60s, and he’s a man. Maybe he doesn’t get much respect at work, but he’s an accounts man, so he should be used to it from dealing with clients. But he’ll be damned if he has to swallow his pride at home as well.

        • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

          Right…I think her response meant she was receptive to it…Pete being Pete doesn’t want to wait. He wants her forgiveness now. If he had been patient, he may have won her back. As it stands, their marriage is over.

      • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

        I was actually happy Pete blew it up. I think Pete has always been bothered by the incongruity between how things are and how they appear to be. (Which is interesting given that he works in advertising.) Keeping up appearances and being discreet have never been Pete’s strong suits, and while I love Trudy, that’s what Trudy and her parents built their entire lives around. I think this final act of supreme hypocrisy from his father-in-law–to the point that his father-in-law seems unable to process the fact that he himself was actually at a brothel–sent Pete over the edge. You can hate him (and rightfully), but one thing you can say about Pete is that he’s always himself. Pete’s reaction was true to the character, and I think in keeping with the overall theme of the show. Plus, in the same situation, I probably would have done the same. I don’t have a lot of patience for the degree of BS exhibited by the Vogel family.

        • 3hares

          This was my reaction too, and stronger the more I think about it.It seems like there’s a theme this season of that 50s “it’s left unsaid” and 60s “speak the truth” with some characters being on one extreme or the other–Marie is another one who’s on the crude side of the spectrum. With that mess with the Campbells I would want the truth out there too. I especially love that description of how yes, Tom seemed almost unable to process that he’d been at a brothel–this never happened. He cares what he saw, not that he was seen (as emphasized by Pete continuing to describe what he saw and exaggerating).

          Pete’s own family is hellish about that sort of thing and it was all getting recreated with the Vogels here I thought.

          • CozyCat

            You make a very good point. If Pete would stop trying to be Don, the perfect man of the 50s, and embrace the 60s he might be happier and less self destructive.

    • MilaXX

      My only issue with Pete telling Trudy was it felt like it was done more to hurt Trudy and her father than anything else. Like you said, I wouldn’t be surprised if deep down Trudy didn’t know her father had dalliances. She was content to ignore Pete’s indiscretions until he brought them to their front door. IMO the only reason Pete told Trudy was payback for losing the Vick’s account.

      • MartyBellerMask

        I think she knew about her father.
        But Pete stressed the “200 pound negro” angle to shock her. Pete is an ass, but Trudy kind of is too. She can do way better than Pete, but she’s a casual anti-semite/racist like most people on the show.
        I can’t imagine this being anywhere as big a deal if their prostitutes looked the same. :-/

        • MK03

          Didn’t Trudy say something, early on in the series, about how she knew her father was messing around on her mother? I feel like she did, but I can’t remember the line.

          • Joan Dahlgren

            Yes, she did when Pete brought home the box with Don’s photos. in urging Pete to return it immediately, Trudy said her father had a box like that, and she wished she had never opened it.

          • MartyBellerMask

            Oh man, I forgot about that. What was in HIS box? Ugh, I don’t want to know.

          • Joan Dahlgren

            It was never directly said, but the impression was that Tom Vogel fooled around and the box was the proof.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            That’s not the impression I got. I assume it was dirty pictures.

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Hey….wait a minute. Isn’t Tom Vogel with CGC for Clearasil? I kind of remember Ted saying that when he was interviewing Peggy at the diner. I’ve lost track of clients…am I remembering wrong?

          • Froide

            I do! Maybe he has a mulatto bastard child!

          • Glammie

            Ooh, good recall. So, in some ways, Pete telling Trudy wasn’t about enlightening her as to the true character of her father as much as rubbing her nose in it to get back at her for punishing him.

            I wonder if Pete and Trudy could actually have an honest relationship. It would be interesting if the marriage didn’t crash, but built up again.

          • Froide

            Agreed.

        • ohayayay

          I think Pete was also shocked by the black prostitute, not just Trudy. He stressed it in his re-telling of the encounter to Ken as some kind of a weird fetish. And stressing her size, like she was some HUGE woman! That woman was basically Joan-sized, and he clearly has no problem seeing Joan as a sex object.

          Just because Pete is more enlightened on race than some of his contemporaries does not mean that he’s ok with people dating/sleeping together across color lines.

          • 3hares

            I’m not sure it was necessarily a statement against interracial dating. I think in situations like that anything that stands out as different gets stressed–which is related to racism in this case, of course. It’s like in the movie Death at a Funeral, iirc, in the American remake a character says, upon learning that Peter Dinklage is blackmailing the family as their dead father’s lover, refers to him as being “able to fit in Dad’s pocket.” The fact that he’s a dwarf, and that he’s a man, adds to the crazy shock of it. There’s homophobia and prejudice of disability implied, but not necessarily any real feeling that someone shouldn’t be gay or date someone with dwarfism. That’s also why the size thing kept getting exaggerated in Pete’s mind, I think. It was all about the strangeness of the moment in general. The details also made it real.

      • P M

        I dunno, I think fair is fair. And I think Trudy needs to know about shit when it has cost them – yes, both of them – so badly.
        Trudy’s dad was thinking of his princess? Hell no he wasn’t.

        • 3hares

          Yeah, I have sympathy for Trudy because she didn’t do anything and got dragged into this, but it just seems weird to me to imagine this huge thing going on between Pete and her father with her being in the dark because princesses can’t know about this stuff. If they’d both kept quiet about it I could see it but if Tom wants to destroy him? I’m glad the wife/daughter knows. She’s an adult. She can deal with the reality.

        • MilaXX

          My point being Trudy likely knew about “daddy” but like Pete’s affairs choose to look the other way. Pete did it soley to hurt the 2 people he was pissed at Trudy & her dad. It was tit for tat and I can see that being done it anger, I just don’t think he was telling Trudy something she didn’t know.

          • Froide

            Trudy’s like Carmela Soprano. Both knew what time it was and could accept it in service of maintaining their lifestyles, but only when they weren’t getting their noses rubbed in it. Trudy’s last straw wasn’t Pete’s coming home bruised in a fight (which she knew wasn’t really a car accident); it was his jump-off’s coming to their home. Similarly, Carmela’s buttons got pushed when she found the art dealer’s fingernail in Tony’s laundry (in retaliation, Carmela “taxed” Tony $40G’s from stash in the bird feeder); and her last straw was Irina’s drunk-dialing Casa Soprano.

            Nonetheless, just as Carmela kicked Tony out of the house but was able to eventually negotiate a reconciliation, I think Trudy was going down that same path…and might still, given enough time.

          • Glammie

            I hope so because I like Trudy scenes, but first she needs to consult Mona because I also like watching Mona. In fact, Mona needs to adopt Sally because I like watching Sally, but I can take or leave Betty, particularly now that she’s past her Grace Kelly era.

        • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

          Actually, I think he (Tom) *was* thinking of his princess. He told Pete, “You’ll do the right thing,” knowing that Pete would feel compelled to tell Trudy, and then their marriage would be over. Tom can sacrifice Trudy knowing this (and she probably already knows such stuff about her father) if it means getting rid of Pete once and for all.

          • 3hares

            I can’t believe a man who considers his daughter a princess whose husband shouldn’t even think about stepping foot in a brothel being okay with the same daughter knowing that her daddy likes to partake. I think the right thing from his pov was to take his punishment and get back in line until he could win Tom’s forgiveness just like he was, unbeknownst to Tom, winning back Trudy’s. Really, why would Tom suspect that his daughter knows he goes to prostitutes?

          • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

            Maybe so. I’m not saying Tom suspects Trudy knows about his extra-curricular activities. I’m saying he would take it in stride if she found out, because it would mean he’d get rid of Pete… and that’s what has happened. Pete is gone. Trudy will always be his daughter, and they will weather this. Tom didn’t know Pete and Trudy were already separated. And Trudy knows something about her dad she wishes she didn’t know… she even said (in a previous episode) she wished she didn’t know it.

            This is all conjecture. Just postulating and wondering, and don’t need to be right.

    • jen_wang

      I think it pushes a lot of buttons for him. Pete’s father-in-law being so judgmental and condescending to Pete seems like more of the same that he got from his own father. His resentment of that has always spilled over into his relationship with Trudy.

      • CozyCat

        I think losing FIL’s account happened a day or two after losing Jaguar. Two father figures in his life screwed him over in a really short time frame. In that context, really losing and blowing up his marriage makes emotional sense, if not practical sense.

        And lets face it: Pete and Trudy aren’t happy together. They are exactly the sort of people who will benefit from the loosening of social conventions in the 60s.

    • CarolinLA

      Don was right: Pete needs to learn when a client is already gone. He seems to constantly win the battles but he loses the war.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beccalise.deveaux ‘Becca’lise Deveaux

    “Something” by Ralph Waldo Emerson…we were DYING.

    • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

      Me too! That was so brilliant!

  • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

    My favorite line was, “She’s the apple in the pig’s mouth.” Second most favorite: “Forget my name.” Nothing like a peeved French woman. (Although offering to donate her Mother’s Day bouquet to someone else, especially considering that “someone else” is her son-in-law’s lover, is pretty harsh.)

    Loved it that the good doctor showed up in the Draper kitchen in his bathrobe, and flirted with the women there, and how all Don could do was stand and watch.

    • MK03

      And drinking wine straight from the bottle while her daughter has loud sex in the next room. Hilarious.

      • sarahjane1912

        Klarsey! I roared when I saw Marie doing that! Loved it.

    • VictoriaDiNardo

      She also told Megan “it’s not so easy to stand there while someone asks for your autograph” or something like that. Nice proud mother! At the moment she said it she seemed to be implying it as to Don, but obviously, she was put out too.

      • Chickadeep

        Not just that, but framing it with the cruel observation that Megan having any success as an actress had defied everyone’s expectations! Essentially saying: “nobody thought you had any talent, but you succeeded anyway…and now your unlikely success is pissing off those closest to you.”

        • VictoriaDiNardo

          Yikes, you’re right – I forgot about that. That girl should leave Don and get into some serious therapy!

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          Well, Meghan wasn’t a scholar nor a businesswoman, so she married well. That pretty much met the rubric of success for the average middle class young woman in the mid-60′s. Next her parents would expect some grandchildren.

        • MK03

          Well, last season when Megan was moping around in bed because she couldn’t book a job, she essentially told her “you’re never going to get anywhere with this, so just give it up.”

          • sarahjane1912

            Ain’t mothers just the BEST?! ;-)

        • Lisa_Co

          I thought Marie was talking about Megan’s marriage to Don.

  • Jennie

    I’m glad you guys asked the really important question: there’s a merger. Who gets fired? I think this is how Pete ends up leaving the series– Roger just got the big account, Pete just lost one, and it’s all about recent performance with these people. I think we lose all the creative staff but Stan and Ginsberg.

    • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

      I don’t think Pete will lose his job. Pete may have lost Vicks, but he has a great track record otherwise. Just because Roger pulls one rabbit out of his hat doesn’t mean Pete’s out.

      • Eric Stott

        There are times when Pete is the only one in the room who can stay in focus, and his talent for sucking up to clients is valuable- Don could learn a few points from him.

        • editrixie

          Didn’t Don kind of recognize that earlier this season? I can’t quite remember, since I’ve been sort of drifting off this season…

        • lilyvonschtupp

          I loved when how Pete immediately put on his business face with his father-in-law. Just a second earlier, he was consumed with fury and desperation.

    • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

      Pete’s a partner though.

    • CozyCat

      I can’t wait until Roger meets his smarmy doggelganger.

    • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

      I’m sure the freelancers will go bye-bye, like the sassy lady who looks like the Far Side character, and the random guy on Don’s sofa during the Chevy meeting. They haven’t invested any time in any of the other creative department characters at either firm – we don’t even know their names. I wonder if Peggy will be made a partner when Gleason dies, but you never know.

  • claudemtl777

    Excellent review…
    But something needs to be said. Julia Ormond’s french pronunciation is not up to par for a show that worries about cosmetic details the way Mad Men does. French is my first language, the one I speak every day, and I needed the subtitles a few times.Her french accent when she speaks english is fine, but her french is really tortured. She made it clear this week that she is from France,but lives in Montreal, so it’s distracting.(Last year I told myself that, perhaps, she was an Anglo from Montreal) Jessica Paré’s french is perfect and authentic, as it should be. I’m quite sure the could have found a french actress to play Marie’s part.
    (Also now that it’s confirmed she’s French:There is NO WAY a french couple would have named their baby Meagan in the 40s)

    • 3boysful

      I am not a native French-speaker, but I always have trouble with Canadian French. I, too, need the subtitles. Perhaps they want her to sound like she has lived in Montreal a long time?

      • claudemtl777

        Let’s be clear: she speaks with the accent of an english person reading french lines

        • Not applicable

          that would make sense- to me b/c as an American who studied French, we had a blend in our education…my high school used a Canadian book series, my college used French books and then I studied in France. So the fact that she sounds Anglo to you makes perfect sense to me… as I can actually understand her w.o the subtitles, but native French speakers can be more difficult (for me) to understand.

        • 3boysful

          OK, so what I meant was the Quebec accent. I pretty much have to have “correct French” or I get lost.

          • claudemtl777

            We’d get along great because my french is flawless ;-)
            But it’s like that everywhere, isn’t it? Trying to figure out what the average scotsman is saying is trying, is it not? I remember questionning my understanding of the English language when I went to see “Trainspotting”.That’s when learning languages get to be fun, trying to figure out the subtlties of dialects.
            It’s important not to get pulled into the one is correct, one is wrong.The average frenchman’s french is peppered with english words these days, they’re not perfect either. As a matter of fact, you’ll find the best-spoken French in the African countries.

          • 3boysful

            Ah, but you might have trouble with my “southern,” which increases proportionally to wine consumption! :) Actually, I was once told I had the accent of Alsace-Lorraine, which is interesting because it is where my family was originally from. Then once at customs in Quebec, the agent thought from the initial pleasantries that I WAS French, and I panicked and switched to English before I found myself accidentally agreeing that I was carrying contraband!

            Like you, I love languages. Trying to hurriedly learn Italian before a summer trip . . . .

          • CozyCat

            I lived in Latin America for a while. One day, a group of my friends were excited to tell me that a new English speaker had moved into our smallish town. Turned out he was a Welsh foreign exchange student and I couldn’t understand anything he said! Everyone got a good laugh out of that!

          • filmcricket

            I don’t know what a Montreal accent would have sounded like in the late 60s, but she sounds nothing like Montrealers do today, nor does her English sound like a Montrealer speaking it.

          • CozyCat

            Is it possible that she originally came from some region outside of Paris? Are there regional accents in France?

        • filmcricket

          Hmm, I dunno. I am not fluent in French, but I found the French in Geneva and Lausanne easier to understand than the French in Paris, and MUCH easier than Montreal French (which differs from other regions of Quebec). Obviously most of the words are going to be the same in all 3 places, but the accent and in particular the speed with which the natives speak is very different.

      • Lisa_Co

        Canadian French is very nasal and, for me, almost impossible to understand. I think Julia Ormond (British) simply does not speak French that well.

    • Scimommy

      I am not French, but even I can hear how heavily accented her French is. However, her acting is so fabulous, that I give her a pass. If I were a native French speaker, it would probably be a lot more jarring, though.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      I believe Marie said that she was French, but not that she was from France. Megan originally described her, long before we met her, as being “of French extraction.”

      Not that it excuses her bad accent.

      • claudemtl777

        Her exact line was :”I am French, but I live in Montreal”. Saying I am French means one is from France, but who knows…
        There is, and always have been, a sizable amount of people from France living here. Her husband is a University professor ,French also(The actor speaks French with the accent from France. Jessica Paré speaks french with a somewhat soft, neutral Quebec accent . Not slangy or rural)

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          “Saying I am French means one is from France”

          Not necessarily, if an American writer is writing your dialogue. In other words, I think it is the show’s intention to depict her as a Canadian woman of French ethnicity even if an actual woman like that would not refer to herself as “French.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

          I have a friend of Palestinian blood (100%), whose parents were born in Jordan and Lebanon respectively. He was born in Bolivia, though, and he travelled to Middle East for the first time when he turned 21. Still, he says he’s Palestinian because that’s how he was raised. Maybe Marie ‘s story was conceived that way: born and raised in Canada, but a pure French-blooded woman.

    • Aurumgirl

      Yes but French from France is different from French from Quebec, and YES WAY they would have named their baby Megan, in Montreal, in the Forties. There are many, many, many Quebecois children in Quebecois families that have Irish names. There is a history between the Quebecois and the Irish immigrants who left Ireland during the famine and settled in Quebec–many of the children of these immigrants were orphaned on the trip over or on just arriving and the French families who adopted them kept the link to their children’s past by maintaining their names, so that they would always be connected to their original families as well. This is a big part of the francophone culture in Quebec.

      Julia Ormond is a British woman who learned French as a second language. She is not a native speaker. She is not speaking with a Montreal accent either (that’s Jessica Paré’s educated accent from Montreal, she is a native speaker with some privilege). No one is speaking the Montreal French, believe me, there is a massive difference in pronunciation of everything in “le joual”. If you want to hear the difference, you can hear the two languages “side by side” here:

      http://www.fluentin3months.com/quebecois/

      The interviewer is Anglophone, who was taught Parisian French (like most of us Canadians born in the 60′s). The Interviewee is definitely a Montrealer. And it’s funny, my experience with French people and Quebecois is opposite from what they’re describing–francophones from Quebec universally hate you if you can’t speak perfectly and if you have a “parisian” accent, you’re loathed even more (the put down is “Maudit Anglais(e)”, because they figure you’re an anglophone Canadian). Whereas the French I’ve encountered have never put me down for using the limited French I have, and seem to take any attempt to communicate in their language as a demonstration of your willingness to try.

    • Sandra FledglingMixologista

      I am native from, and live in Montreal. My first language is French, and I am actually a French teacher in high school. Julia Ormond’s accent is terrible. I am 38 years old, and I have never met anyone in Quebec who sounded like her. It is embarrassing to watch those scenes, like the one at the restaurant last night. The lines were funny, but she butchered them. Perhaps other actors one the series don’t sound like where they are from, I can’t differentiate subtleties in various American accents. However, the scenes with Marie always make me zone out. I should be happy to see “one of ours” on the show, but I always cringe. As well, I totally agree about the Meagan name. I always thought this, and I am glad someone finally said it. She should have been named Annette, Pauline or Mireille.

      • claudemtl777

        My first fashion Memory with a Capital F c’est les hot pants en suede lavande de ma tante Pauline

        • Sandra FledglingMixologista

          That is hilarious! This brought such an interesting visual in my head. I can only imagine what context you were in, to come up with this, and if you did not make this up, then I must meet your tante Pauline!

          • claudemtl777

            All true. To add to that, I grew up aux Iles de la Madeleine and my aunt Pauline had bought the hot pants on a trip to Montreal. My Mom was her older sister and was very unhappy with the garment. I thought they were the most fantabulous thing…(My Aunt is no longer with us…fucking cancer! ((( )

    • greenwich_matron

      My guess is that they signed and paid Julia Ormand before they decided her character needed to be French. It just doesn’t make sense…

    • http://www.facebook.com/cpetersky Claire Petersky

      The name Megan has driven me insane, for a show that is otherwise so meticulous about style and fashion. No one was given the name Megan in the 1940s – and for a French speaking couple to use that name? Doubly impossible.

  • Frank G

    Two notes:

    1) I don’t think they’re getting rid of the staff. Their goal was to appear larger and rival the “big” firms. So they need the man power.

    2) Don is obnoxious at this point. I fast forward many of his scenes now but I did enjoy seeing the office politics. Can’t WAIT for you guys to point out that Peggy was wearing the same dress when she learned about the merger as the day she told Don she was leaving.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      Nope: different dresses. Same color, though.

      • sarahjane1912

        “.. they said, checking their fingernails and trying to sound nonchalant.”

      • T. Sticks

        I wondered that, too, and immediately thought T&L will let us know for sure. ;-)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

        I also doubted if Joan’s dress during the confrontation with Don was the same she wore when they got the confirmation call from Jaguar and Don figured out she slept with Herb for a partnership. After the second view I realized it wasn’t, but it’s the same color. Thanks, TLO!

  • Scimommy

    Ted Chaugh seems a little too good to be true right now, both in how he treats Peggy and his other professional dealings. I don’t know whether to worry about him doing something awful in a few episodes or worry *for* him being eaten alive by Don.

    • bxbourgie

      I’m so ready to see how this creative partnership will play out. Ted is excellent at what he does, as is Don, both clearly ambitious and hungry for MORE, but personally they are worlds apart. Ted is the “nice guy who doesn’t want to be called nice” and Don’s the selfish womanizer. They say opposites attract, but I don’t know about this at all. I don’t see Ted being eaten alive by Don. He can hold his own against Don creatively. I do worry about him being disgusted by this person he’s just merged his company with and has no idea how Don operates. Should be very interesting.

      • Scimommy

        Yes, I wonder how much Ted really knows about Don, beyond his creative reputation. Peggy could tell him a few things. I also wonder – in fact I am becoming more positive of this by the second – whether Peggy will be caught between them and will have to choose sides at some point. And right now I have no idea who she would choose.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1145236287 Celeste Copeland

          I see Peggy as siding with Ted, maybe going too far romantically with him, and then discovering something about him that makes her wake up to the darker parts of his personality (which we haven’t seen much of lately.) I think she will leave the new firm. I really see Peggy as eventually winding up on her own, with her own firm, and not beholden to any boss. She’ll bust that glass ceiling wide open.

          • Scimommy

            I think you are probably right about Peggy getting fed up with them all and starting her own firm. That would make a lot of sense.

          • Levi Ramsey

            With Cosgrove as the head of accounts?

            Olson Cosgrove?

          • formerlyAnon

            I see her position getting too complicated if she embarks on an affair with Ted, and then there are work tensions layered upon that. Worst case, she’s forced out because (partner) Ted wants to stay married when his wife finds out, she’s burned her bridges with (partner) Don over mostly professional tensions complicated by her affair with Ted (will Don still be able to treat her as “one of the guys” & entitled to her dalliance or will she wear red on the wrong day and his issues class her as a whore?), and it’s find a face-saving way out or be tossed out.

      • siriuslover

        I agree. Remember how people were so pissed when Peggy went with SGC? The history between the two companies, and between Don and Ted in particular, made Peggy’s move so crushing for Don (if crushing is even the right word here). And at the hotel for the Heinz guy, Don shot daggers at him (not just Peggy, and definitely not just for “stealing” Peggy). This seems like one of those decisions the new partners are going to very early regret, you know, “it seemed a good idea at the time” and it got their immediate goal, but what about the long term goals?

        • CozyCat

          Except that everyone is at a particularly desperate point. CGC needs the merger to survive (after cashing out the dying partner). SCDP just lost two big clients. Down the road they may regret it. But at the moment, they need each other.

      • Glammie

        How is Ted Don’s opposite? He pushed Peggy on the Heinz business because it was an opportunity and he’s shown a willingness to commit adultery, albeit with a soupcon of guilt. He’s been a pretty ruthless and aggressive competitor for SCDP. He and Don cook up the merger because it pays off for both of them. And Don was careful to not mention that SCDP was losing two big accounts and Ted was carefully not mentioning that one of his key creatives was dying.

        I actually could see the merger working–Ted and Don are far more on the same page on what advertising should be than, say, Don and Duck Phillips. There will be in-office rivalry, but there’s been that before. Peggy’s a question mark–but, at this point, Don’s ceding her management to Ted.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

          Still, Ted is more open about his methods, while Don likes to plot in the shadows for something. Those modi operandi are bound to clash at some point after some time working.

          • Glammie

            I’m sure there will be clashes, but I don’t see the kind of clash that there was with the Brits. I don’t think Ted’s that open–not when he doesn’t mention that one of the firm’s founders is dying of cancer.

            On a deeper level, it’s clear Don wants Peggy back–enough so that he proposed a merger. He loves her enough in a way *not* to sleep with her. In some ways, Don is such a damn puritan.

    • OhDoogs

      The fact that he’s married does take a bit of the shine off the old halo, though. To your point, maybe not enough…

      • Scimommy

        Well, somewhat, except he genuinely seems conflicted about it. He clearly likes her, kisses her on impulse, but then steps back and apologizes. He is trying to fight the attraction because he is married – something which Don hasn’t done in decades.

        • CozyCat

          And remember, he had just found out his longtime friend and partner was dying. That’s a pretty vulnerable moment.

          • sarahjane1912

            Ted handled the scene with his pancreatic cancer partner just so well though, don’t you think? And I agree: he was reeling from the news so the [attempting to] watch ‘Hazel’ with a drink on the floor was a sign — to me — that he was feeling intensely vulnerable. :-(

    • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

      I was honestly wondering if Peggy would continue fantasizing about him after this whole thing. A big part of why she left SCDP is that she hated that Don was constantly pulling the rug out from under people. Now Ted has pulled a classic Don Draper move. I just wonder if her feelings will stick, or if they do stick, how they will change.

    • Iz and Oz

      I think there’s a lot to Ted that we still haven’t seen. Remember what he said to Gleeson? “You’re the one usually calming me down.” So I’m sure he can hold his own, and may even have a different side to his good-Christian scratching the surface act. He is an ad man after all, and not just that – a partner! Gotta hustle for that position in some way or another. Either way, can’t wait to see how the creators pan him out ;-) AND also can’t wait to see how everyone’s going to interact with this merger!!

    • Danielle

      Does anyone else remember that Ted used to be a total tool? Among other things, back when they were competing for Honda he broke the rules because he thought that’s something Don/SCDP would do, and there was that phone call from “Bobby Kennedy” after Don wrote the ‘I quit tobacco’ letter. And wasn’t it CGP that put the ad in the paper that SCDP was hiring black people? Ted was only shown to be a decent guy starting at Peggy’s interview, and at that point I was suspicious that he was only interested in hiring her because she was Don’s protege. It wasn’t until this season that he really started coming off as sincere and likable.

      • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

        I thought that was an interesting plot twist, though. It could also go that before Peggy went over, we only ever saw what SCDP saw in Ted…but maybe in reality he actually IS pretty sincere and likable and we only ever saw through the cynics’ eyes. Or he could be a double d-bag. I love that we don’t know!

      • Elan

        “…for Honda he broke the rules because he thought that’s something Don/SCDP would do… And wasn’t it his agency that put the joke ad in the paper that SCDP was hiring black people?”

        He was deliberately misled by SCDP to think that was what they would do– remember Peggy riding the little motorcycle around in circles in the studio? The ad (“Our windows don’t open”) was put in the paper by Don to poke fun at Y&R.

  • 3hares

    I don’t think Bert, Pete and Joan’s maneuvering was really stupid, myself. They hadn’t done anything yet, they were just looking at the figures. Joan was absolutely right to say that Don would just be bored by that. Their anger over Don’s firing Jaguar wasn’t just specifically over that plan getting destroyed but the implication that Don sees himself as the company with everyone else cheering him on from the sidelines instead of doing actual work. It seemed like that was set up really well, too, with both Joan and Pete getting praised for their good work right before that.

    I have to say also that as much as I love Trudy, if I was somebody who for some reason wanted to be married to Pete to begin with, ending that marriage because he told the truth about my father in that situation would seem like a stupid reason to end it.

    • Frank_821

      I saw that as the fact she’s daddy’s princess. but the fact she married Pete probably speaks volumes about what her father is really like. she probably hated that he broke decorum and aired the dirty laundry

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      I wonder if the reason why they were keeping it from Don was about more than just boring him with numbers. I don’t think Don would like the idea of being beholden to shareholders. He had a hard enough time trying to work with the Jaguar account (and he obviously failed that big time) when it went against his vision. Imagine him needing to be held accountable by outside shareholders. I think that was the big reason for concealing from him–they knew he wouldn’t like it.

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

        I think that’s exactly right.

        • JulieTy

          Remember how, back in S1 (2?) he bristled at the idea of having a contract?

          • nosniveling

            AND, that Don fired the hotel guy who was too demanding.

          • MK03

            No, Hilton left them. Because they wouldn’t go with his dumbass idea about putting a Hilton on the moon.

          • editrixie

            “No more rocket ships!”

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            “Everyone likes astronauts!”

      • Iz and Oz

        I agree with you 100%. When Joan asked Pete “and the second obstacle?” after Bert left to show the accountant out speaks volumes – they didn’t want Don to know about it yet.

      • Not applicable

        yes- I totally agree. Don doesn’t need the money and wouldn’t like being held to shareholders. This below the radar strategy was clearly a way to find out the valuation so that they could tell the partners how much $$$ would be made by the IPO. They were getting the ducks in a row so Don would be out-voted.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      They were planning on going public that week. They were doing far more than just looking at figures. And Pete and Joan specifically mentioned the loss of that opportunity when they unloaded on Don.

      Also: Pete admitted to Trudy he was in a whorehouse after she already kicked him out for cheating. It wasn’t just the reveal about her father that set her off. It was Pete being ugly and selfish and not caring that he was telling her he was in a whorehouse.

      • 3hares

        Ah, okay about the IPO plan. Still doesn’t particularly absolve Don from doing something he shouldn’t have done even without that though, I thought.

        I actually loved that Pete was also telling her he was in the whorehouse. Pete’s been basically a pimp for years. He’s not squeamish about this stuff and seems to be becoming less aware that other people are. He’s not having sex at home, he’s staying in the city and having any sex he has there as per Trudy’s orders, and he’s not hiding it.

        • zenobar

          Correction: *grimy little* pimp.

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          Pete going to whorehouses is probably not big news. He takes clients there all the time. Its part of his job. He can choose to build the fiction that he does not partake and Trudy can choose to believe that. However, now that Trudy has acknowledged his cheating, and given him rules, she can hardly be shocked. At least it wasn’t someone she knew– and he was discreet until the FIL fired him.

      • Wellworn

        I think part of her disgust is that he still isn’t being discreet in his cheating. She tolerated it when no one knew. But to know that her father saw him in a whorehouse is worse than knowing that her father is in that whorehouse. She was embarrassed that her father knows about Pete and her marriage. She is the princess and no one should know that the princess is being cheated on. It shouldn’t happen in her realm (neighborhood), and the king shouldn’t know about it either. LOL I know, a little heavy handed in the metaphor.

      • greenwich_matron

        Pete, Joan, and Burt don’t own enough of the company to take it public without Roger. I got the impression Roger didn’t know about it.

        • Glammie

          Yeah, how do you take a company public without a vote by the owners? Answer: you don’t. Hell, I don’t see calling in underwriters in secret without two of the main partners knowing.

          Don’t get the feeling Matt Weiner is that interested in the financial nuts-and-bolts of corporations.

          • greenwich_matron

            Actually, getting a banker to do a pro-forma in the days before pc spreadsheet must have been a pretty big deal. It’s funny how obsessive they are on some details and yet they make up their own reality on others.

          • Glammie

            Yeah–it’s in line with not understanding where the money comes from in an agency–what Harry’s job would actually be (He’s not that pertinent to the bottom line, but he would actually be in various client meetings quite often.) or Joan’s–sometimes she’s finance, sometimes traffic, sometimes production management.

            As for the IPO, given how dependent SCDP has been on Don, it makes no sense to go that far with an IPO without having Don on-board. I can see the red herring report on risks–agency is heavily dependent on its head of creative, who is free to leave at any time.

            Meanwhile, the ads will be period perfect.

          • Levi Ramsey

            OTOH, the late 60s was one of those periods where the markets went IPO-crazy (partly because there was a wave of momentum mutual funds managed by youngsters with little memory of bad times on the street who traded heavily) and in an era before shareholder lawsuits, a lot of the companies brought public were exceptionally dubious. Read the 1972 edition of Graham’s “The Intelligent Investor” for some of the crazy companies that were brought public in that time.

          • Glammie

            Oh, I survived the dot-com boom in Silicon Valley, so I know about crazy IPOs. I can see SCDP going public, just not without Don being fully on board.

          • greenwich_matron

            NYTimes Dealbook talks a little about the Mad Men IPO. Their basic take was that SCDP was too small to do it.

            Also, there is no way they could get underwritten without all the rainmakers on board. The volatile, lumpy nature of the income would be bad enough without worrying about the diva storming off stage. Don would also be an integral part of the dog and pony show.

          • Glammie

            Yep, an IPO is possible, but not probable. There are public ad agencies, but they’re far and few between. It’s too volatile a business. It’s the really big ones that are public.

            And, yeah, Bert’s semi-retired, Joan’s not a rainmaker and Pete’s a lesser shareholder. You’ve got to have Don and Roger on-board. Just doesn’t work otherwise.

      • Zaftiguana

        I’m curious about you guys’ take on this; do you think there was ever any chance of Pete passing off his presence there as escorting a client? We know guys like Ken (and formerly Pete) take clients to these places without partaking themselves, he was there with another SCDP employee, and he wasn’t caught coming out of a room with a woman the way Trudy’s dad was. Or was being in the hallway instead of the lobby/lounge enough to make that excuse to difficult to believe?

        I mean, I’m sure Trudy wouldn’t have been thrilled to discover that her husband routinely escorts clients to whorehouses, but it would have to be far better than patronizing them if he had some plausible deniability.

        • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

          Maybe Trudy should hook up with Bob Benson!

          • Zaftiguana

            Hilarious. What if the Bob Benson plot twist is that he’s going to go Talented Mr. Ripley on Pete ;)?

          • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

            Obviously he’s Trudy’s hit man, then! Hahahaha!

      • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

        This. Why are these three planning on going public without telling Don or Roger and getting their input?

    • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

      The thing with Trudy is that a big reason she was attracted to a marriage with Pete is his family name and the social currency it gave her and to some extent her parents. Otherwise I think she would have filed for divorce instead of opting for punishment. Pete is probably pretty tired of the Daddy worship. One thing is true, she is a princess and was determined to stay one.

  • Angela_the_Librarian

    Last night’s episode was like a breath of fresh air–funny, exciting, and promising of things to come. I loved Joan’s dressing down of Don for his selfishness, Trudy throwing Pete out, and Pete’s falling down the stairs (he is morphing more and more into a petulant little boy this season). I thought it was really interesting that the last straw for Trudy was Pete bad-mouthing her dad. Marie’s disgust and boredom at the dinner with Peaches and Herb (haha!) was to die for!

    It will be interesting to see how things shake out with the merging of the two agencies. Peggy is going to have to claw her way out of Don’s shadow once again.

    • Aurumgirl

      Not sure about that. Don asked her to write the press release about a new company, one that is the ideal of the one she would like to work in. Same players, but the playing field is remarkably different now.

    • lilyvonschtupp

      Plus I don’t think Peggy is too crazy about the fact that she may be answering to partner Joan, again.

  • http://twitter.com/TrixieConQueso TrixieConQueso

    Yeah, I was surprised last week when Pete called someone a “racist” – then was reassured all was right in the world when he acted like one this week.

    • Sobaika

      They’re all racist, especially by modern standards. It’s the 60s and they’re upper class white people who have shown little-to-no interest in the civil rights movement.

      Pete is probably the most progressive in terms of racial politics on the show. He still sees the opportunity in throwing daddy’s black prostitute in Trudy’s face.

      • VanessaDK

        I think this is the one area where Pete is *not* a hypocrite and he seems sincerely stunned that his father-in-law – who probably is a vocal racist – chooses a black prostitute when he goes to the brothel.

        • sweetlilvoice

          It’s always those that protest the loudest that have the issues and maybe desires. That prostitute looked like a hell of a woman!

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          Agreed. He would have used different words if he agreed with his FIL on those matters. Plus, I think he was a little scandalized.

    • MilaXX

      Pete’s response although disgusting today was more than acceptable back then.

  • sarahjane1912

    Oh boys. What a review. Thank you so much again! My favourite episode yet!

    Pete falling down the stairs? BEST. GIF. EVER!
    *Squeals* Peaches and Herb! OMG!

    Poor POOR Pegs though … She began MM by typing and this ep concludes with her back at the typewriter, albeit typing up a presser for a company that doesn’t yet even have a name. I am wishing and hoping and praying that she gets her spot in the future mix and it’s one that fits for her without having to kowtow to Don’s crap like she had to at SDCP.

    Pete is a dick. A dick. But I did adore how Ken laughed and laughed and laughed when Pete told him about running into his FIL. Comedy gold.

    • zenobar

      It’s why I have A Thing for Ken Cosgrove. That, and when he turned down the partnership. Love that man.

    • Amy B

      I’m wondering if the new corporate boys’ club will take the bloom off Ted’s rose in Peggy’s eyes. Probably not (sadly). Still rooting for Stan & Pegs.

      • artsykelly

        Hopefully there will be a better chance for Stan & Pegs now that she’s rejoining the gang. That is quite a lovers… square? Peggy, Abe, Stan, and Ted. PHEW! Lady has plenty to pick from…

        • http://twitter.com/creeple Alice

          I’m Team Stan, too. He’s pretty damn adorable.

  • marta

    Roger saved the company’s ass (Don’s). He was the only decent guy last night, although he used his slimy wiles for the good of the company. But I agree, the show plays as “boring” even though the character development has depth.

  • VanessaDK

    No Betty and No Sylvia and all SCDP (even the Megan & Trudy stories were really about SCDP) AND WASN’T IT WONDERFUL?!?!?

    • sarahjane1912

      This.

      I do love the actress that plays Sylvia but man, that affairette is getting OLD to me. Sigh. This ep was such bliss without her [sorry]. And Don back to his ad man best [or showing signs of it].

      • MartyBellerMask

        She wasn’t physically there, but the affair was. Notice how Don casually asked how long the Rosens’ son was going to be in town?
        But point taken!

        • sarahjane1912

          Ooh, yes. That WAS a sly little comment from Don, agreed! Still the dirty dog trying to work out when his next bone is due [sorry!].

    • JulieTy

      And no Harry Crane. :-)

      • Iz and Oz

        Get rid of the dope after merging…? Fingers crossed!

        • JulieTy

          I’m guessing he’ll quit when he finds out all this stuff happened without his input. He’s been having hissy fits about that sort of thing for awhile now.

          • sarahjane1912

            MASSIVE hissy fits.

            It is funny though, how a drama can make someone like Harry look like the Worst Person Around, but when it’s in a comedy, all one can do is laugh at those sorts of antics. Completely unrelated and huge digression here, but I’ve been re-watching Larry Sanders this week and Harry doesn’t hold a candle to Hank Kingsley when it comes to insensitive rants at completely inappropriate moments, but Hank? I just giggle away. Harry? I want him to come to a sticky end.

    • bxbourgie

      So over the Sylvia affair. There could be no conclusion to that “relationship” and I’d be perfectly fine with that.

    • Iz and Oz

      YES. Betty’s story bores me to tears, I swear. I don’t mind her, but I have never been particularly interested in what goes on in her life (except for Sally! Love her.) And Sylvia is a flat character, completely. As the boys said, just another notch on Don Draper’s belt. Bor-ing.

    • Nicholas

      When the doctor told Don he’d quit, the only thing I could think to myself was “ungh, here we go”, but they fortunately left it at that.

  • JulieTy

    Terrific episode (finally) and brilliant critique (as usual).
    I know I’m stubborn, but every time there is a major change in the agency, I think, “Oh good! Now they can bring Sal back!”

    • sarahjane1912

      Maybe after Stonewall?! Nah. I don’t think Sal is due a return, at least not at SDCP. As TLo said last week, his storyline had run its course. Bringing him back might make some fans happy, but it just wouldn’t play in the real world of 1968 or MM. Or words to that effect.

      • JulieTy

        I know it’ll never happen. But if Peggy can fantasize about Ted, I can fantasize about Sal coming back.
        ;-D

        • bxbourgie

          I was hoping we’d run into him at CGC when Peggy started working there. I heart Sal.

          • Joy

            It would be awesome if he works there now. He is their TV guy that they replace Harry with! Or make Harry report to him would be even better.

          • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

            Why the Head of TV report to an art director?

          • Joy

            This is true, but maybe (I mean these are all crazy hypos) Sal ventured into TV after directing commercial and then became the head of TV CGC.

          • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

            He would still be in creative though in that case. Media buyers and creatives types don’t overlay.

  • trixietru

    I adore Julia Ormond; however despise Marie- the disapproving, free loader mom from hell. There’s nothing more rude than pulling out the foreign language insults in mixed company– no matter how warranted the remarks, it’s cowardly. Get the feeling Don and Megan pay for all Marie’s expensive tastes which brings her back to Manhattan so often.

    They are throwing so much Bob Benson schmoozing and slinking around– I’m hoping for a big, explosive, plot twist pay off involving this guy.

    • TheDivineMissAnn

      That scene kinda bothered me too. I always thought speaking another language in front of people who did not speak that language was very, very rude and insulting. And I think Meagan tried to diffuse the slight by “translating” what her mother was saying. Was Marie’s behavior an indication of how irritated she was with Roger not showing up?

      • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

        Yes. That and Peaches and Herb really are awful people.

      • trixietru

        Used to be in meetings with half the group bi-lingual, half not. Though everyone attending didnt know what was being said, they knew the intention and didnt like them for it. Finally someone recorded a meeting + when translated….it wasn’t pretty. I was waiting for Peaches to reply to Marie, “French is my mother tongue”, like Game of Thrones! *And yes, Marie’s attending was self motivated. I think she is bitterly jealous of Megan’s success outside her marriage. If Megan splits from Don I don’t expect her mom to be very nurturing.

        • P M

          Indeed. She insisted Megan wasn’t talented enough to make it. Perhaps this is true, in terms of big roles in the movies or serious theatre. But she’s found her niche in soaps, and I think that drives Marie INSANE.

          • VicD

            And, as she said to Megan last night, “you’ve exceeded everyone’s expectations” – can’t even be gracious when Megan succeeds.

      • Wellworn

        Yes, she was pissed off at Roger more than anything, I think. I think he’s the reason she comes to New York. Not the shopping, and not to see her daughter.

        • CozyCat

          You bet she was mad at Roger! She thought she was getting something that night. Then she had to listen to all that boring conversation. And THEN she goes home and sits there listening to the daughter who has outdone her get it on with her husband! (and, of course, Roger has the bad timing to call right during their action)

          Loved the moment when she drank straight out of the bottle!

    • Spicytomato1

      Agree about Marie’s rudeness. What’s more, when she says “idiote” in French, no one needs a translator to know what she’s saying since the words are basically the same in both languages.

      • Paigealicious

        I thought this exact thing. It’s just the fact that she said it quickly that made it slightly harder to catch if you weren’t listening carefully.

    • sweetlilvoice

      Maybe Momma will get with Bob? She’d rock his world.

    • duchessofjersey

      Another thought on the language issue – it was interesting how Marie and Megan switched back and forth between French and English when they were talking to each other in the earlier scene, about Megan’s marriage problems. I only remember them speaking in French when they were by themselves before. I’m not sure what it signified.

    • greenwich_matron

      Marie is soap opera awful. She basically told Meg to dress slutty and “earn her keep.” Her behavior at dinner was ridiculous: she could have faked a headache and left.

      Peaches was dim and silly, but she was trying to be pleasant (are puppies really so awful?). She didn’t deserve to be called an idiot to her face by a woman whose idea of formal dinner repartee involves oral sex with near strangers in an unlocked room.

      • Glammie

        On the other hand, something about la mere’s advice worked. Megan and Don were getting it on afterwards.

        • greenwich_matron

          It worked beautifully: she ain’t dumb. “Soap opera awful” is probably too pejorative, anyway. Maybe “Disney villain bad”? I like the idea of the clear eyed, sharp tongued MIL, but I thought that scene was pretty heavy handed.

        • JulieTy

          I think Don went for Megan because he got his mojo back after firing Herb and Jaguar. Those heady work/power moments have always upped his libido. Sylvia was busy with her son. I sort of doubt Megan or her attire had much to do with it.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            But you gotta admit that gold mini was FABULOUS!

            But poor Megan. She’s getting more and more useless every week.

    • lilyvonschtupp

      I’ve always hated when people start speaking a foreign language in front of you..
      I had the same experience when I was on a vanride to the airport when two French Africans were having a conversation behind me. One of them slyly asked in English, “You don’t understand a word we’re saying, do you?”

      I responded in French that I understood every word that they just said. That pretty much ended the conversation.

  • par3182

    We loved Marie this episode. It was nice to see her be not quite so much of a bitch to everyone.

    “She is the apple in the pig’s mouth” and (to Megan) “You have confounded everyone’s expectations” – oh, I think there’s still plenty of bitch in Marie.

    • sarahjane1912

      TOTALLY! I thought she WAS a bitch to everyone [well, almost everyone]. And she sneered through just about every scene she was in, even when she was giving Megan advice [she sneered while Megan was signing the autograph in the elevator, didn't she?]. I loved her. What a gal.

      • Aurumgirl

        I loved that too. “It’s hard to stand next to someone when they’re giving an autograph!”, particularly when you always thought your daughter was talentless, and also when you’re so heavily burdened by the bounty her talent has provided for you, straight from the most expensive stores in the neighbourhood.

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          I think she was referring to Don perhaps not enjoying Meghan’s public success– Men at that time at least middle class and up –didn’t often allow or want their wives to work. In fact, you couldn’t get a credit card or bank account without your husband’s signature. This kind of attitude persisted in the 70′s only to relax d/t economic changes –and feminism but I think it was more about the layoffs.

          • sarahjane1912

            Is that an American thing? My mother worked after she was married and before she got pregnant in the early 60s and she was one of three very strong/educated upper-middle class daughters, each of whom having been advised by my grandfather [a surgeon] that he didn’t want them to just get married straight out of school. So they ALL attended university [one doing medicine, one pharmacy and my Mum: physiotherapy].

            Mum worked until the babies arrived, going back when we were in … erm … [not sure of the school level it is in the US, but High School was 11/12 years-old in Australia] … well, when I was 11 and my brother 15.

            I know my Dad was intensely proud of her for being educated etc, and — in her words — she would have gone completely bonkers if she’d not had an outlet outside the home.

            Mum got more grief from ‘friends’ than my Dad about working, especially from the Ladies Who Lunch types who only did charity work/volunteered for school fetes/functions. Sigh. :-(

          • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

            My mother was born in 1943, my father in ’38; they married in 1964. She had to ask permission to work and even after they divorced in 1973, her second husband wanted her to be at home. She ended up taking a temp position during the 70′s that turned into a permanent but her boss had to beg her to come back. I think there was this idea of Men being the Provider, the Woman, the Nurturer (see how Megan for instance is all about supporting Don but Don does not concern himself with Megan’s career success).

            My grandmothers both worked but they were working class– one was an immigrant with a husband who couldn’t hold a job very long and the other had a handicapped husband (polio) and 5 kids to feed. They both worked secretarial jobs although one of them became the village clerk for a few mayors–she had household help, the other didn’t. College was never an option for my mother. My father had “enough” college. She told me girls in her high school class were expected to work as secretaries, nurses or go to college and learn to be teachers until they got married. I think going completely bonkers at home drove women to the workplace and they got tired of being treated like second rate citizens–that fueled feminism during that time–people were much more overt with attitudes of sexism then. This might have been an American thing, I don’t know what it was like other places. High School in the US begins in 9th grade at about 14 years old. There were outliers obviously. However the social training by the time a girl got to high school encouraged her to hide her light under a bushel (or tight sweater).

          • sarahjane1912

            Thanks so much for sharing a bit of your family history with me [and the info about US stuff like high school!]; interesting to see how things happened on the other side of the world and from different social strata. Lots to think about. :)

            PS. My grandmothers didn’t work though; their job was to look after their husbands. They must have been bored senseless though, given that they had staff/help to do all the ‘real’ work! :-(

    • MilaXX

      yes but she was a good beyotch

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

        We were talking about this last night… whose mother on this show isn’t either a bitch or difficult to deal with in some way? Peggy’s, Don’s, Pete’s, Joan’s, Megan’s – even Betty’s, although we never saw her. Roger’s mother seems to be the only one who didn’t cause problems for him, but the only time we saw her, she appeared to be fairly senile. And Trudy’s mom seemed harmless enough. But someone on the writing staff has mommy issues, we’re thinking.

        • MilaXX

          If we can survive 5 season of LOST and their daddy issues, I think we can tolerate mommy issues on Mad Men. Especially if they are as entertaining as last night.

        • CozyCat

          Joan’s mom seems to have mellowed a bit. She showed genuine pride in her daughter’s position when the friend was visiting and didn’t give them a hard time about their antics (sleeping in torn dresses!)

        • Glammie

          Staff of mostly young women? Of course, there are mommy issues. I went to a college of mostly women–and it was mom issues all the time. I felt like the odd-woman out for not hating my mother.

          • formerlyAnon

            Yes. Women under 30 or 35, especially those who don’t have the skid-greasing of having provided grandchildren to smooth things over, *usually* have issues with mom, especially if they’re part of notable generational changes. At least in my observation of upwardly mobile working class and middle class women.

          • Glammie

            I think you’re on about the generational change thing–doing something mom didn’t do. I was unusual because I had a mom who was a professional. When I was a kid I would be the only kid in the class who had a working mother who wasn’t a teacher.

          • http://twitter.com/rmccarthyjames RMJ

            Interesting! I am a women’s college alumna and most of my college friends are/were all about their moms.

          • formerlyAnon

            That IS interesting. I wonder if it’s entirely a matter of chance, or partly a generational thing – where there’s a big change in expectations (about life choices) between generations, there’s more mother-daughter conflict in early adulthood.

        • http://twitter.com/theparsley Anne Boyd

          Mona, the “lioness.” Only we hardly ever get to see her any more, and her child isn’t a recurring character.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        I’m in the minority here, but I despise Marie. Is there any other character so coldhearted and condescending (excl. Don) as she?

        She hates her husband
        Hates her children
        Hates her grandchildren
        Hates her daughter’s success, even though she discouraged her
        Hates Don (even though Don knows it and really doesn’t give a f–k)
        Hates Don’s children, calling them “animals”

        She can’t even show a little appreciation for her Mother’s Day gift, telling Dr. Arnie to take her flowers since she was “done” with them.

        If it wasn’t for the fact that Julia Ormond is playing the role, I’d have no tolerance for her. I liked her ever since she played in Sabrina. (Something Audrey fans considered blasphemous.)

        • CozyCat

          in her defense, she’s married to a man who gloated over the death of MLK because “now the capitalist system will come crashing down.” (paraphrase)

          Who wouldn’t turn into a complete harpy living with someone like that?

        • 3hares

          I”m pretty sure that “animals” is an affectionate term for children in French.

    • OhDoogs

      Not to mention the flower thing! “I’m quite done with them”. I actually kind of loved that, but she was serving OG bitch realness.

    • Aurumgirl

      Not to mention, “Would you like my flowers? I am quite done with them.” as an appropriate mother’s day gift for Arnie’s son to give to Sylvia. When they’d just been freshly presented to her by Megan.

    • Wellworn

      She is a delicious character. Julia Ormond is playing the hell out of her, too.

  • sarahjane1912

    When I grow up … I want to be Marie. My Italian is so-so, my French is somewhat better … but to be able to do what she did at the dinner with Peaches and Herb? Gotta give the lady snaps.

    And afterwards to Roger? Can’t have been fun listening to her daughter get drilled up against a wall [even if it WAS her advice that Megan basically went out in a long gold shirt that night] … and then to NOT have her Get Hers [from Roger], oh she was sublime. ‘The apple that goes in the pig’s mouth!!’ What a line.

    • Sobaika

      So that scene after dinner, with Don and Megan in their bedroom. It gave me… feelings.

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

        Yeah, Don and Megan had their own little porn movie running through this episode.

      • the_archandroid

        Is it time for “the talk” dear?

  • MartyBellerMask

    Poor Megan, by the way. She took her mom’s awful advice (well, awful for Don- it might work for other husbands) and thinks it worked. Poor, clueless Megan.

    • Sweetpea176

      I missed what Marie’s actual advice was — I looked away and didn’t see the subtitle. I’m guessing from the context that Marie advised her to be sexually available to keep Don “interested,” but what did Marie actually say? (And why would anyone take marriage advice from Marie, anyway?)

      • Macrochelys

        The advice was to the effect of “Make it so that the only thing he can think about is that he wants to be between your legs.” I feel dirty just typing it.

      • Melanie

        She said, in part, “Stop dressing like his wife.” Prostitution rears its head again.

        • KateWo

          Reminded me of Joan’s comment to Peggy early on about not dressing like a little girl

          • Brad Watson

            Reminded me of Megan’s father’s line about when daughters spread their legs and fly away

      • MartyBellerMask

        She said something about how Megan shouldn’t dress like Don’s wife, but in a manner that would make him want to get into her pants, ie- sexy, whorish- NOT a good idea with Don. We already know what he thinks about that. Well, WE do, but Megan is oblivious.
        So when he DID want to get it on with her immediately, she likely thought it was the sexy dress and makeup. When I doubt Don noticed at all. It was a work-related pissing contest that got him excited.

        • MK03

          I think it goes deeper than that. He drop-kicked Jaguar because of the lingering disgust he felt over the prostitution they did to get them, yet when he gets home, what’s the first thing he does?Has loud, rather dominant sex with his wife, who purposely dressed to get him excited. Good lord, Don is so very, deeply fucked up.

          • Glammie

            Yep, it’s not that he’s not attracted to scarlet women–he’s both excited by and infuriated by them. I mean, this guy saw the only mother he’d ever known put out for room and board. Might have been the first human sex act he’d ever seen. And I’ll bet he lost his virginity to one of the prostitutes there.

            Remember how the one prostitute we’ve seen him with was hired to hit him over and over? If you’re a teen boy who got turned on watching your stepmother get turned out as a prostitute, you’re going to be very, very, very screwed up.

      • Wellworn

        She told her to dress not like his wife, but sexy. Hence the mini-skirt that Herb leered at.

      • lumivalentine

        “Don’t dress like his wife — the only thought he should have at this meal is how quickly he can get between your legs.”

    • Lisa

      I’m really surprised at all the negative comments here. If you’re going to be with a guy like Don Draper, then you’re going to have to connect with him in one of two ways: through sex or through his work (and preferably both). All the women Don’s been seriously involved with have had pretty intense relationships with him in one or the other of these areas — and that includes Betty, telling him at one point late in their marriage that sex with him was all that she thought about all day. (And Betty would have loved to have been involved in his work in the way that Trudy was helpful to Pete — the idea that she was helpful to him at the dinner where Jimmy Barrett apologized to the Utz potato chip people made her so happy she started crying in the car.)

      Megan related to Don on both of those levels before they got married and for the first year or so of their marriage. But then she definitely became uninterested in his work, and after this episode I’m thinking that she put the sex mostly on the back burner too. I doubt that it was the short skirt alone that got his attention here; more that her mother’s suggestion made her say sexy things or do sexy things to him in private (that we didn’t see on screen) that got his motor going toward her. I don’t think that it was telling off Herb that changed things between them or having his mistress temporarily unavailable — I don’t recall Don ever acting that aroused randomly, toward a woman he didn’t care about in some serious way, regardless of the circumstances, ever before. It’s always directed toward some specific woman, acting in a specific way.

      So while I don’t know that that this means that Don and Megan’s marriage ever will be “okay” (that’s hard to believe), it still feels like it was a really good step in the right direction to me. If Megan were to talk to him occasionally about work, in a non-condescending way, it would be even better. Megan is “just one of those girls” (as Peggy says) who is good at everything, and not-so-deep inside, Don is sure he’s not good enough for her. Just as he was surprised that Betty ever loved him. If Megan appears to turn away — to have lost interest in sex with him and in his work — he will be unsurprised and find solace elsewhere. He’s not going to beg her. But after this episode — I think that if she really wants him, she can have as much of him as she can handle. The question is whether she wants it.

  • Angela Langdale

    Yes, this was a FABULOUSLY satisfying episode! The whole reason I watch Madmen is for those moments when the jack-in-the-box pops out and yells “PEEKABOO!” and shakes everyone up. It’s like new again! Such a great show…

  • Julie Parr

    Is no one paying attention to Megan’s comment to Don about “jumping off the balcony and flying like Superman?” Another reference to Don’s eventual suicide/death?

    • zenobar

      Yup, I noticed that too. The hairs on the back of my neck stood up as the words were coming out of her mouth.

      • Julie Parr

        Totally! Me too.

    • rag254

      I really don’t buy the Don Draper suicide arc. It’s simply too literal from the opening credits to be a plausible direction.

      • KateWo

        Me too but the writers definitely want us to think of it as a possibility. When Weiner was on NPR’s Fresh Air, Terry Gross kept on bringing up how she thinks Don will die but MW gave no hints. He did say the elevator shaft thing from last season was to represent the huge feeling of loss from Don losing Peggy.

    • Wellworn

      And he was standing on that balcony last episode, I thought about him jumping off then.

    • not_Bridget

      I’d put money on the doctor making that leap, first. He really wanted to “have a drink” with Don. Who respects him, in a way. And would like to be his friend–if he wasn’t boffing his wife. And Don really did have work–his career is on the move again….

    • lorem_ipsum

      Yeah that freaked me out. It didn’t even make sense in context to me.

  • formerlyAnon

    I am filled with dread for Peggy. Get it together girl! Even today, canoodling with a (god help you, you idiot) superior in the office usually ends badly for a woman. In 1968? If the superior is a partner and you’re not? And is married?

    Ahh Peggy. Walk away. Fake a conscience about his wedding ring and your committed boyfriend. Failing that, fuck him if you must. But soon. And briefly. Take the shine off of it and then close that door.

    • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

      Worked out all right for Joan.

      • Qitkat

        Do you really think so? She’s a bitter, unhappy person, in so many ways. Money can’t buy you love.

        • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

          That’s personal, not professional which is what we’re talking about. Joan slept with a partner and is now one.

          • Qitkat

            She’s obviously not happy, or feels respected in the office. This season has shown that. I’m guessing you are in the camp who is fine with what Joan did to get her partnership. A lot of people are. I’m not one of them. I despised her actions, and don’t believe the end justifies the means. Rarely.

          • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

            Yea…that has nothing to do with her relationship with Roger and how her relationship with Roger did not destroy her professionally.
            We’re talking about affairs in the workplace – not how Joan got her partnership. Two different things.

          • Qitkat

            So the affair has not destroyed her professionally, but that’s a far cry from it having nothing to do with her relationships with the partners, particularly Don and Roger. She and Roger can barely acknowledge one another. I would love to see her tear him a new one as she tried to do with Don, but look how well that worked, I guess we will see in the coming episodes. Personally I can’t imagine continuing to work side by side with a man I had a child with, who has no relationship with said child, who had no problem looking the other way when I whored myself, convinced I was saving a company I loved, only to learn this had made me the butt of jokes around the office, but then, maybe that’s just me. And I know she turned down Roger’s offer of financial support for her son, maybe he didn’t offer what she really wanted. I have a hard time understanding Joan, or even liking her very much, but I did applaud her outburst to Don, because finally she was being true to herself, being authentic, a rarity among this cast of characters.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            I think this denies the external reality that she is being subjected to a lot of judgment from the people around her. In other words, to say Joan is unhappy because she slept her way to a partnership is to deny all the ways in which other people are putting her down for it. It’s like claiming Betty was unhappy in her marriage to Don because she hated herself for making the wrong choice. No, Betty was unhappy in her marriage because she was married to a lying shithead.

          • Qitkat

            If it comes across that I’m saying Joan is only unhappy for sleeping with that creep to gain the partnership, that wasn’t my intention. It seems to me that it is a package deal, she made a giant leap in the company without considering any negative consequences, that it might change how her coworkers would perceive her. This situation alone points out the disparity between how men and women were judged for doing the same sort of things. No man in the office is thought the lesser of or made the brunt of jokes the way Joan has been. As far as Betty goes, you are right in the reason she was unhappy in her marriage, but then this lead to increased levels of self-hatred, I think. Betty has very low self-esteem, showing up now and then, in her weird behaviors.

      • formerlyAnon

        Her affair with Roger didn’t get her much but a baby and the certain knowledge (which if I recall correctly she knew long before the baby) that he had no interest in marrying her. Which might have contributed to her feeling that it would be a wise, if unpleasant, choice to trade sex with a client for a partnership.

        • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

          That’s personal – we’re talking professionally.

          • formerlyAnon

            But Joan got her partnership as an explicit quid pro quo for sleeping with the Jaguar account client. Not because she had an affair with Roger.

          • http://twitter.com/fashunroadkill Chelle

            In the case of Joan, not only did it not ruin her career but her relationship with Roger was arguably part of the reason they invited her to SCDP when they left Sterling Cooper. (Because she stayed in contact with Roger and he knew she needed work.)

    • http://twitter.com/heatherteegee Heather

      I’m thinking it ends because she doesn’t want Don to see her like that, having the affair and all.

      • formerlyAnon

        Could be. Don’s approval is still of value to Peggy. I can’t predict her, though. I think that her desire to excel professionally is the one consistent thread in her character. In everything else, it’s an awkward jumble of good Catholic girl, modern career woman, raised to want husband/home/children but life hasn’t offered those things on terms she’s willing to take. I think it’s fairly realistic – but it makes it hard for me to feel like I know how she’ll jump in situations involving her personal life.

  • jen_wang

    So interested to see how Peggy deals with this. It was deeply weird when Don, in Ted’s office, referred to doing things the wrong way before (his “pack your bags; we’re going” scene with Peggy at the end of S3). He gets that that was bad, but he doesn’t get that he’s doing the same thing now, except that now Peggy can’t refuse.

    • Wellworn

      Poor Peggy, worlds are colliding in her business life. And she doesn’t seem to fit in her personal life either.

      • formerlyAnon

        Peggy’s never really fit without a bit of awkwardness anywhere, is my feeling. I think that’s why professional success is so important to her. She’s like the kid that never quite fits in right, but can make straight As channeling themselves into school.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Emily-Smith/12431153 Emily Smith

    I don’t have cable so I have to wait for this season to hit netflix so I have zero knowledge of the context, but was Pete’s fall intentional or did the actor trip and just keep acting? It looks like it hurt!

    • Julie Parr

      It was just a “trip and fall” moment when he was completely flustered and angry at Don.

    • bxbourgie

      I wondered about that too. It looks like a staged in-the-script fall but hilarious nonetheless. I think it was meant to make Pete even angrier, his voice went up about three octaves yelling at Don in the hallway.

    • VanessaDK

      Planned. It solidifies Pete’s contentious relationship with the stairs, and also made him stop on the way down so the scene with Don would play out from a height above the entire office.

  • MissMariRose

    Can I get some love for Vincent Kartheiser? He’s gotta be a superb actor to make me want to root for Pete Campbell, that slimy piece of shit.

    • zenobar

      Agreed. I find him oddly appealing. He must be a fantastic actor because I always end up actually feeling bad for the little tryhard fuck.

    • sweetlilvoice

      Between Pete falling and the time he ran face first into that column in his office, Vincent’s acting is amazing. Also the time Lane punched him. Yes, he is a shit but those moments are really endearing. Also they cause a lot of laughter at my work! Pete should be injured at least once per season.

      Draper!!!!! (The God-like voice from above)

      The voice falls on his butt.

      Did you see Roger’s secretary try not to laugh?

    • sarahjane1912

      Totally love VK and his handling of this role.

      One of the things I MOST adore is that he never EVER slips with his accent. He always delivers his lines with the hauteur and gravitas of his old money roots, even when he’s absolutely spitting chips. He shapes his words so beautifully, delivers them so perfectly … I am forever humbled by this guy.

      • lumivalentine

        I was just thinking the same thing about Pete’s accent when I watched this episode! I loathe Pete, but I adore Vincent Kartheiser.

        • sarahjane1912

          Ditto, ditto, ditto! :-)

    • SorayaS

      My absolute favourite moment this episode which no-one seems to have mentioned yet was Pete’s mortified “Is he gone?” through frozen lips with the cut straight to Pete back in business mode: “I have a high-level accounts question…” GOLD.

  • http://40schmorty.com/ Jaye Brown

    Was I watching the same show? This season is killing me. I thought last night’s episode was one of the worst I’ve seen. It was so heavy handed. Joan’s reaction, to me, was completely out of character for her. The music was silly, for lack of a better word, the scene in the bar with Don and Ted was just…I don’t know it felt like a network show, almost like an ending of CHiPs when there’d be some pithy line and they’d all look at each other and freeze on each character as they were laughing or something. It was just ham handed. The end, with Peggy’s VO? Come on! I expect more from Weiner and this was just bad.

    And don’t get me started on Pete and his father-in-law. That felt like a story line from Young and the Restless or something. Ugh. This season is making me long for season 1.

    • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

      Joan had her hair down at the office at the beginning of the episode. I knew she was going to do something out of character, because her hair.

    • KateWo

      I see your point but Dons whole life is soap opera story line, his identity is fake. I thinks Joan’s outburst was in character, they’ve been building her transition from secretary to executive this season and she said her piece right after Don asks her to gather creative in her office as if she’s his assistant.

    • Joan Dahlgren

      Thank you for bringing this up. I recently watched “5G” again, and it, too, makes me long for earlier years.Having been absolutely obsessed with MM for the first three seasons, I find my interest has been waning with Season 5 and now Season 6 and have tried to dissect why this is so. While last night’s episode (finally!) had some of the old punch, it contained nowhere near the sparkle, wit and daring that made me fall in love with MM when it first aired.

      One reason behind my progressive disenchantment, is that, ironically, MM seems to be falling victim to one of the things that intrigued me in the first place; namely, that in trying to gradually put together an overriding arc, it’s one of the few shows where the problem seems to be that you can’t see the trees for the forest. For me watching MM has been almost like reading a fascinating novel and watching its complex drama unfold. MW has always required a lot out of his viewers and demands that you not only pay attention but also have the patience to see where he will lead you and figure out how each episode fits into the giant puzzle he’s constructing.

      The difference is that, particularly in Season 1 and 2, each episode–or most of them anyway–were like little mini-movies.. Episodes like “The Hobo Code,” “5G” “For Those Who Think Young,”"The Grownups,” just to name a few, were little jewels that stood alone in their own right as well as contributing to the overall story. Through the combination of superb writing, acting, costuming, set design and camerawork, each episode seamlessly built on the previous episode and fit into the overall story while being engrossing in and of itself.

      Now? Not so much. In his eagerness to get an overriding “message” across, the writers seem to be hacking down trees left and right. Instead of using leitmotifs to build on story development, the episodes just seem to be repeating the same themes over and over but much more crudely and with less artistry. I realize I may be in the minority, but I think the further away MM gets from its original premise, which was to explore the early and at most mid-sixties, the less interesting and more obvious it becomes. TLO are absolutely correct in that as the sixties went on, everything did indeed become cruder and less subtler, and this season of MM is certainly reflecting that; nevertheless, I can’t shake the sense that MW and the other writers are floundering as they try to say something that hasn’t already been said before about this highly covered period in American life. I

      I appreciate the difficulty in trying to stay true to the period, but for me it’s not enough to say that things devolved in the late sixties–with MM I’ve become used to not having the technique show so much. I used to love it precisely for its subtlety in leading me to its seasonal conclusion; now I just feel like I’m being hit on the head with a sledgehammer. It’s like switching from reading, say, “The Forsyte Saga” to, yes, viewing “The Young and The Restless,”and the disconnect feels jarring–even if in fact that’s what happened in the late sixties.

      I dunno. Maybe this is just another way of saying perhaps MM’s shelf life is expiring? Lord knows with a story this complex five years might just be the threshold and seven years can be too much of even as great a thing as MM has been.

      • http://40schmorty.com/ Jaye Brown

        Wow! You put into words so eloquently what I could not. Thank you, that was the perfect explanation of why I’m not enjoying this season.

      • JulieTy

        Amen.

  • jill

    Isn’t GM going to need SCDPCGC to have an office in Detroit? Takes care of the extra staff problem. But they will need someone from management up there…

    • MartyBellerMask

      Please god let them come up with a better name than that! There is no “P” anymore anyway, or a “G” possibly pretty soon. There is also a “C” and an “H”.
      SCDCCCH doesn’t really roll off the tongue.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

        SCDCCCH looks like some soviet abbreviation, which would be funny given the historical context.

  • http://www.what-the-frock.com Dana WhatTheFrock

    I can’t believe you didn’t mention “I love puppies.” I had to rewind that three times. So funny.

  • sarahjane1912

    QUESTION: The junkie upstairs from Abe/Peggy … is that *their* tenant? Or a tenant in the building? I kinda hoped if Peggy was going to ditch the Upper East Side idea and head to the [is it the upper?] West, she’d buy, like, a whole building. A brownstone or something. What do you think?

    • Melanie

      I think she did buy the whole brownstone, and the junkie tenant is theirs.

      • janierainie

        Me too, because she made the remark “I want her out”. Why would she say that unless she owned the whole building?

        • 3hares

          You can want someone to move out without having the power to get rid of them.

          • not_Bridget

            But you don’t call them a tenant if they aren’t. She & Abe probably envision, eventually, turning the building back into a one-family home–to make room for the kids.

            II wouldn’t bet on their relationship lasting that long.

          • sarahjane1912

            Me either. Good point re turning a split-level multi-tenant house into a family home though [when they're ready]. Makes financial sense too, I suppose.

    • CMSmith1848

      Is it a co-op?

      • sarahjane1912

        *Shrugs* I’m afraid I don’t know enough about the area or where Peggy bought [or even about how co-ops in NYC in the 1960s worked!] — hence the question — but I’d be surprised if a junkie tenant was allowed to doss there if it WAS a co-op.

        • CMSmith1848

          Excellent point!! Just rewatched and Peggy says “I just bought an apartment.” I think she just means damn I wish that person would move out.

  • http://twitter.com/yellowhannah33 yellowhannah33

    The big thing that stuck out for me was the destruction of the women by the men around them. Peggy took the job at CGC to get away from Don and strike out on her own in a way that would never be possible whilst she was working with him. Ted and Don have ruined this fleeting opportunity. Joan slept with a horrid perv to get a partnership and save the agency. Then Don (thinking he was doing her a favour when in reality he’s never been able to stomach his inability to ‘save’ Joan from the episode in the first place) made it all for nothing when he ‘sacked’ Jaguar, lost the floatation and the $mils that come with it. To add insult to injury he’s now merged with another Agency. What will Joan’s partnership amount to now? The account she gained is gone and, in any event, she only gained it because she prostituted herself. Joan’s very real skills have never been valued in the way they should have been. Trudy’s world was already rocked because Pete couldn’t settle for a Manhattan-based affair and now he’s ruined her relationship with her Father, potentially her parent’s relationship and their marriage.

  • Jessica Goldstein

    I seem to be in a significant minority here. While I think Don was impulsive in canning Jaguar, I just can’t get behind Joan’s anger. Joan’s angry because Don tossed Herb to the curb when he–again–acted like a boor. No doubt Joan is partly incensed because when Herb acted a boor regarding her, she caved to get something she wanted. I think Joan made a terrible decision, has paid for it on multiple occasions, and now (1) doesn’t want to see someone else make a different choice; and (2) doesn’t want to lose money since her decision was about money in the first place. But you know what? She didn’t have to meet about going pubic in secret. And how’s that for irony, anyway? It was reckless and selfish, but I was actually on Don’s side.

    On a lighter note, I thought the theme of the night was mutually assured destruction. Bert, Pete, and Joan share a secret, only to see the whole thing blow up. Pete and his FIL share a secret, which Pete blows when he loses the account. Only the destruction at hand isn’t looking mutual at all. Then, finally, Ted and Don play a little game of “You show me yours; I’ll show you mine” which SHOULD end in destruction, only to bring about a very different outcome. I think the writers had a lot to say about the motivations and outcomes of different types of secrecy.

    • MilaXX

      I think Joan was pissed because Don fired Herb because *he* disliked him and was trying to act like he did it on her behalf something that not only did he not have the right to do, but also wasn’t true that’s why it was so selfish on his part. It wasn’t about standing up for Joan, it was more of Don’s BS issues with whores and prostitutes.

      • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

        Don fired Herb because Herb insulted him. It had nothing to do with Joan or protecting her honor.

        • MilaXX

          exactly! Don just tried to pretend it did when he got called on it.

        • C. C. Winslow

          And it showed Joan how little power she has. She “had” to sleep with that sleaze so the agency would get the account, but Don gets pissed at an insult and can blithely toss Jaguar aside. I’d have been furious if I were Joan. Yes, she got a partnership out of all that, but still. And I agree with whoever suggested above that Joan’s righteous, furious diatribe prob. didn’t even register with Don … or with any of them.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            The one thing that surprised me, however, is how open she was about it when she was telling Don off in front of everybody. Would the old Joan have been as revealing?

          • C. C. Winslow

            They all knew anyway, but I agree it was bold of her to talk about the elephant in the room, though I doubt any of them were thinking about it at the time. (Who else was in the room besides Pete and Don? I can’t recall.)

          • lilyvonschtupp

            I think Ken and Bert were there, too.

          • C. C. Winslow

            Yes, and Roger too I think I noticed when I read the Mad Style post.

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          The problem with Herb is that he treated all the principles and their relatives from SCDP like they were his whores.. (Don’s uncle?) Herb was not the decision maker at Jaguar, just the American representative in NY. As my father would say a First Class Ass. Didn’t we all want to fire him? I’ll have to rewatch to see why Roger set up the dinner with Don and Herb and not include Pete.

      • Qitkat

        I thought that Joan was so pissed, because she realized that in the end she prostituted herself for only money and a title, and that the company would go on its way regardless of what was to her the biggest debasement of her entire life, and it would no longer matter to anyone except her. What she did will haunt her forever. Don had hated Herb for a long time, because he was slimy, and because of what happened with Joan, but I think in the impulsive moment, he felt the sting of the insult of another copywriter looking over his work, and it was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

        • MilaXX

          Joan was pissed because Don tried to make what she did all about him. As if he did this for her honor. Don did it because he disliked Herb. Period.

          • Qitkat

            While you’re right that Don did try to make it all about him, I still believe that this event with Joan was so life-changing, and that she has had such difficulty compartmentalizing it, that Don’s actions just brought all her sub-conscious feelings to the surface, and she exploded, like people do when they’ve tried to bury their feelings, and when the dam breaks, all kinds of muck gets uncovered. She knows that Don didn’t really do it for her honor, but she had been desperately trying to hold onto her own sense of self-worth, and this brought all the chickens home to roost for her, she has to admit to herself that she was *just* a prostitute, a whore, who thought that she was saving a company, and finds out that while she did *save* it for a time, now everyone has moved on, and it’s meaningless. She lost her integrity, and for what? It may not be a popular opinion among the watchers of Mad Men, but it’s one I think is a valid interpretation.

          • MilaXX

            But she hasn’t really compartmentalized it. It’s been the elephant in the room aka office r some time now, hence what TLo referred to as the Harry Crane problem. as for the “just a whore” bit, well again she could at least say it saved the company and made her very rich, but (at that point) Don’s behavior didn’t take into account that sacrifice she made. Which is why she told him “if I could deal with it so could you.” (paraphrasing)

          • Qitkat

            Exactly, she hasn’t been able to compartmentalize it, has been mortified that everyone in the office apparently knows what she did, hence the loss of respect from Scarlett and Harry, who would be an asshole anyway. IMO, she may think she has dealt with it, but she clearly hasn’t, as it just keeps simmering in her mind. So while I agree that she’s partially pissed at Don for the reasons you suggest, it goes a whole lot deeper than that. It will eat away at her forever. Things eat away at Don too, but the difference is, Joan recognizes that, and Don is rotting from the inside from all the years of his misdeeds, and only occasionally recognizes the toll it has taken.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            I wonder if it will eat away at Roger forever that he slept with a stewardess in order to get a Chevy account.

          • Qitkat

            OK, you got me there. Obviously not, as Roger has been this type of person since we met him. He is shallow, and he breezes through the consequences of his actions like he’s Peter Pan. Maybe now that Joan has compromised herself once, for the good of the office, she will move on to doing it more easily the next time. Perhaps I’m just assigning a depth to her that she doesn’t really possess. Maybe after her bad marriage to the rapist doctor, and the decades long affair with Roger, and the multiple abortions, it all just lead up to the inevitable, what’s one more compromise, this time to improve her station in life and business for herself and her son. It’s a perfect example of “Be careful what you wish for…”

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            I’m really not trying to play gotcha. Matthew Weiner once explained that most of the partners didn’t look at Joan’s actions in too judgmental a manner, because not only did they all know they had to do equally as sleazy things to get where they were, but they knew that Joan knew it too. She was part of the club.

            I would argue that what he’s saying makes perfect sense, but I don’t think it came across well in the script or acting at the time. Joan didn’t like what she had to do to get there, but she knew, when standing with the partners, that she didn’t do anything worse than any of them did to get there. What she didn’t count on was the fact of her sleeping with Herb getting out to other employees. The partners would have never made her feel bad about it – and it’s why they leap to her defense so much – but they don’t have as much control over the rest of the staff when it comes to how they’re going to view her. She was perhaps naive about that, but she did it with the idea that the rest of the partners would protect her from it.

            And I think most of what you’re saying in this last comment is dead-on. She wasn’t thrilled about being put in that position, but she understood that various choices (and not a few things outside her control, such as the patriarchy itself) had led her to that somewhat inevitable moment and she was resigned to it because at least she had wrangled one hell of a deal out of it.

          • Qitkat

            Thanks, this helps me place everything in a more reasonable perspective.

          • Glammie

            So, there’s both a comment on double standards–Joan sleeping with a prospective client has a totally different emotional resonance and social repercussion than Roger canoodling for a good lead–and also one on how Joan balances her emotional books. Basically, a million bucks would be serious fuck-you money to anyone who judges her.

            Joan’s such an interesting character–all the more because she’s so tough and makes so many mistakes.

          • lilyvonschtupp

            Or when Don prostituted himself to Bonnie Bartlett

          • Glammie

            Yep, that’s where I’m at as well. The power of the agency is still with Don and, to a lesser extent, Roger.

            I think, too, Joan has always played a bit of sex for material gain thing. She sold herself for Jaguar and a partnership, but she also overlooked date-rape for marriage to a doctor. She sells herself, but has also sold herself short.

            Hmmm, I think Don did dump Jaguar in part because he doesn’t want to beholden to any gains from prostitution. Not for Joan’s sake, but for his. It’s everything he wanted to escape.

          • Glammie

            No, I think Joan was pissed because she had plans and Don just kind of blew them up. I don’t think Don claimed he fired Jaguar for Joan’s sake, though he did think she’d appreciate it (which she doesn’t.)

            I’m actually with Don on a lot of this. The Jaguar guy was an impossible and disrespectful client. Not worth the trouble if you can get another client. He’s been trying to strongarm Don and SCDP since the get-go. Don, in some ways, has too much self-respect to take it.This is in keeping with his telling Joan that she doesn’t need to sleep with the guy. “You don’t have to do this.”

            Meanwhile, Joan, Pete and Bert are looking for a way to cash in on SCDP’s success with an IPO in a way that would give Don less independence. Understandable, but disrespectful to Don, who opened a new agency because he doesn’t like being other people’s thumbs. Joan, Pete and Bert tried to an end-run around Don and Roger and it blew up in their faces.

          • MilaXX

            It doesn’t matter if Don was right. He thought of himself first and expected the company to just go with the flow. That’s a douche move.

          • Glammie

            I’d say Bert Joan and Pete were doing the same thing. They thought of what they wanted and figured Roger and Don would go with the flow. Plus, while SCDP wasn’t made by by Don alone, it was his baby and he’s the one who convinced all of them to follow him. In a sense, I think it’s not unreasonable for Don to think they’d see him as a leader. They may all be partners, but they’re not equal partners. They can’t be, they’re not bringing the the same things to the table.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            I don’t see how they were doing the same thing. The very fact that three people were collaborating on an idea makes it radically different from Don’s approach, which is entirely based on himself. And the IPO plan would still have needed to be approved by the rest of the partners before it could proceed. It perhaps wasn’t a good idea to do the whole thing in secret, but I don’t think it’s comparable to Don’s “My way or the highway” approach to everything.

          • http://classversussass.com Class Versus Sass

            Agreed with this

          • Glammie

            True, Don is amazingly self-absorbed. His converting Joan’s “we” into that highhanded merger on the spur of the moment was impressive in a twisted way.

            That said, I think both sides were similar in that they were both out to change the fundamental nature of the agency without communicating. And while no one was out to screw anyone else, the lack of communication, of being on the same page, made everything blew up.

            Don and Roger not knowing about the IPO dreams meant that Don didn’t value Jaguar and put up with Herb’s asshattery. Also meant Roger didn’t bother to come to the dinner and keep Don and Herb in line. Meanwhile, Don’s maneuverings (well, I guess Roger was okay with it) unnerved everyone and what should have been a good thing infuriated Joan and Pete.

            Everyone wanted to build SCDP–there seemed to be a consensus that the agency needed to be bigger and have more capital–both sides went for that goal, but without having an agreement about how they wanted to do it.

            Which, I assume if the agency gets bigger, will create more problems. Now I kind of wonder if Weiner’s kind of making a point about those entrepreneurial types who create businesses, but have issues when their companies get big.

          • MilaXX

            None the less what Bert, Pete & Joan were doing would benefit the entire company. What Don did only served his ego.

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          This transaction Joan participated in can also be reflected in other areas of her life that I believe she has been in deep denial about. She’s an angry woman with regrets and it didn’t start with Herb.

          • Qitkat

            Well said.

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          I don’t agree. Joan’s pissed because she was about to become a
          millionaire and Don scuttled that singlehandedly without asking her. I
          really don’t think it’s much deeper than that.

          • Qitkat

            Perhaps you’re right. I tend to look at actions as having layers of meaning.

    • Laylalola

      Disagree on both counts. (1) Don again unilaterally made a massive decision that affects everyone else’s lives at least as much if not more than his own, and it’s selfish as hell. (2) There absolutely is mutual destruction in regard to Pete’s FIL, who took it that Pete would “do the right thing” and not reveal his own presence at the whorehouse — but Pete did, and the FIL’s hypocrisy will at some point (probably not on the show) be known to Trudy. Plus, Pete is probably correct: Trudy (FIL’s princess) will now be out of the marriage at exactly the wrong moment; Pete might be well off now, but he’s about to become rich almost beyond imagination.

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      I think Joan’s anger was also about Don refusing to subsume his ego for the good of the team. Herb might have been terrible to work with, but Jaguar was an account and should not have been let go so easily (remember Ted lamenting his agency giving up on a smaller car company and how pathetic it felt for them to need them instead of want them?). I think her outrage also came because she was willing to put up with Herb (and in very demeaning ways), but Don couldn’t stomach a dinner and play nice. I think Don was rightfully upset about Herb suggesting a kid he employees might be able to give him pointers, but he could have handled it in a way that wouldn’t have lost a client.

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com/ The Gifted Collector

        All that and Don was angry at Herb for his crude assessment of Megan as she left the table.

    • CozyCat

      While Joan had every right to be mad at Don, the rest of the partners screwed up too. Don should NEVER have been left alone with Herb. The two of them hate each other. And Herb was deliberately pushing Don’s buttons. First he personally insulted Don by making a remark about Megan. Then he professionally insulted Don by suggesting that he pass his work by the kid who does flyers at the store. Herb wanted to humiliate Don, and the other partners should have known how Don would react.

      The problem was that there was no account man at the table. Ken hates Herb. Roger was in search of the whale. But why was the dinner being kept secret from Pete? Roger should have called Pete and told him to be there.

      • awesomesabrina

        “Roger should have called Pete and told him to be there.” YEP

    • formerlyAnon

      “Joan is partly incensed because when Herb acted a boor regarding her, she caved to get something she wanted”

      She caved to get something THE PARTNERS wanted (jaugar account). She just charged them a steep price for caving.

  • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

    I’m convinced something is up with Bob Benson. It’s driving me nuts.

    • zenobar

      Me too! He’s waaaay too hail-fellow-well-met, and he’s always lurking about when some shit is about to hit a fan. Like a bot of some sort, I’m convinced. Bot Benson.

    • http://twitter.com/yellowhannah33 yellowhannah33

      I wonder if it’s not a Matt Weiner joke. Bob Benson from name to appearance to personality seems like a nod to one of those empty 1960s sitcom characters. Even seeing him in the brothel, ‘Can i pay for my friend?’, he’s a character completely out of place. I’ve said that now and he’ll end up burning the office down next week or something.

      • Spicytomato1

        I go back and forth on how significant he may or may not be. On one hand, I’ve known guys exactly like that at agencies where I’ve worked. Young, ambitious and wanting to kiss up to/be noticed by senior management, more by lurking around/popping up out of nowhere than by actually putting their noses to the grindstone.

        Yet on the other hand, it seems like his presence alone isn’t enough and that it just has to be moving toward something bigger/more dramatic.

      • Joan Dahlgren

        I think he’s a modern day Uriah Heep.

    • KateWo

      I think he’s there in part to reiterate the ‘things don’t always change/cyclical” theme. He’s an eager beaver like early Pete. Pete is to Don as Bob is to Pete

      • lilyvonschtupp

        And I don’t even think Pete realizes it. Bob is Pete 10 years earlier.

    • CMSmith1848

      Me too! Do you remember the artist guy SCPD hired? The one who drew sexist cartoons? He seemed okay at first and then turned into a total douche. The two of them even look alike!

  • Logo Girl

    “I don’t have any Laudanum either.” Pete is intolerable, but I love his odd, Victorian-ish references.

    • jen_wang

      I thought he was teasing Cooper for being old. A rare friendly moment between them.

      • 3hares

        And teasing him about the drinks he expected him to have.

        • jen_wang

          I LOLed at elderflower spirits. Keep it real, Bert.

    • C. C. Winslow

      That line made me smile. He can be adorable.

  • megohd

    QUOTE: there were competing themes here of people going after what they want impulsively

    Yup: “For Immediate Release.”

  • VCR1

    This really was a great episode! There was so much withholding of information and lack of communication here. Why did Pete, Joan, and Bert feel that Don and Roger wouldn’t be on board with the IPO? Also, I keep thinking what would have happened if Pete never took Ken’s advice and had gone to Trudy’s Dad to ask for forgiveness and tried his best to keep the Vicks account (I think in the episode they said it was worth 9M in billings). What’s next for Pete? I think both Vicks and Jaguar were his accounts.

    • 3hares

      Didn’t Pete go to Vick’s and try to get back the account? You mean he should have gone to him and apologized for being in the brothel instead of presenting it as better for both of them if they just forgot about it because they were even?

      I don’t think they thought Roger and Don wouldn’t be on board with the IPO–they thought they would be.

      • VCR1

        I wonder what would have happened if Pete had gone to Trudy’s father before he learned that Vicks was leaving SCDP and begged for forgiveness. But that just isn’t Pete’s character. Also, I wondered why wasn’t Roger and Don told immediately after they figured out that an IPO was possible (at $9-11/share) or why they weren’t even present at the meeting with the banker. Pete said they would be on board only after the fact and once they realized that it would make them very rich.

        On another note–don’t you wish you knew what Don and Ted’s pitch to Chevy was? Which idea did they pitch? Did they combine them? But I guess if they showed the pitch, it would ruin the reveal with Peggy that they got the Chevy account and they were merging.

        Does anyone know what the Chevy car was?

        • http://twitter.com/hummergirl99 HummerGirl

          Camaro

          • VicD

            Camaro came out in 1966 as a 1967 model, so that’s not it.

        • the_archandroid

          Looks like the Chevy Vega, a truly POS vehicle by all accounts.

          • C. C. Winslow

            Vega is what I’ve read in a couple recaps. I’d been thinking Monte Carlo.

        • Robyn M

          I think it was the Astro concept car – recall the CGC partners meeting and one saying he was so tired of drawing rockets?

        • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

          I think they felt Roger and Don remember well the last time they sold the company/transferred control of it and the ramifications. Roger and Don like their professional freedom and autonomy.

    • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

      I’m not sure why Pete couldn’t have told Trudy’s father that he was there with a client. He didn’t think quickly enough, and his guilt was written all over his face. Still, I think it was a plot convenience, for the writers to write it this way.

  • Girl_With_a_Pearl

    Roger actually says the words “shut the door” in one scene and “have a seat”. in another.

    • http://winemedinemecincinnati.com Julie

      gah. that’s amazing. I love this show.

  • http://twitter.com/yessveee Sarah V.

    I thoroughly enjoyed the “fml” banter between Don and Ted at the bar. They may be polar opposites in their managerial styles, but true Creatives are….Creatives. They know and can appreciate good work when they see it, and the struggles with the financial side of things is unique to their professional identity. All around I can’t wait to see the new dynamics in store.

    Secondly, I’m noticing a parallel between Abe and Don for Peggy – she repeatedly gives in to a brief, romantic flash of hope – Don’s “proposal” of hiring her for the then-new SCDP in season 3/4 and now, Abe bringing up having kids; but is left feeling a bit burned by not standing up for what she REALLY wants, rather than what she *thinks* she wants. There’s a quote I love – “You do not wake up one morning a bad person. It happens by a thousand tiny surrenders of self-respect to self-interest.” – and after Peggy had the gumption to move on from Don, she’s both on the verge of throwing herself at Ted and having to face a return to her old boss. Which way is our girl gonna go?

    Lastly, the sound bite of “I love puppies” will be my new voicemail greeting.

    • Wellworn

      I think Abe is on the way out (unless there is an accidental pregnancy), and Ted will never happen. Peggy is unhappy in her life with Abe, and so career oriented. I think she romanticizes the career and Ted is a part of that. A contrast to the ugly poopy reality of her home life. It’s the career girl fantasy, but I doubt she will act on it, especially now with the merge.

      • http://twitter.com/yessveee Sarah V.

        Yes on both of these things. I think at LEAST half of Ted’s attractiveness for Peggy is simply the fact that he’s Not Don. The man’s charm was the final push she needed to leave an abusive work relationship. I doubt she’ll act on said attraction, but she has been known to blur the line(s) on her self-respect before. What will be fun to watch is the triangle of Peggy, Ted and Don play out.

        I only see her seeing things through with Abe to counter the seed of insecurity about him planted by her mother – “he’s never going to marry you” – by trying to sustain herself and prove Mother Olson wrong with Abe’s profession of wanting children with her, and that she compromised what she wanted as a means to that end. Thing is, she already knows she’s becoming increasingly unhappy by her own choices, or rather, letting other people make them for her.

  • Katherine

    Mad Men. My favorite show on television. Best acting and best writing period. I’ve seen many others but not much compares to it.

    Question to all the fans– just a few small things I’ve noticed about Trudy Campbell.. Can you tell me if it was just me?

    1) Trudy flirting with those men a few weeks back, and on the same episode calling out on Pete’s affairs because she has known about them…good for her. Seems like she has modernized herself well on coping with it. Or has she participated in her own?

    2) Was it me or did it almost seem that Trudy didn’t realize that it was PETE in her bed yesterday?

    Small Potatoes in the world that is Mad Men but, maybe that’s how I took it….

    • not_Bridget

      Trudy wasn’t really flirting with those men. They were doing their best to flirt with her; she was doing her best not to say something really rude. Which would have been awkward, since they were neighbors. Meanwhile, Pete was actually setting up a real rendezvous–with a neighbor. Since those sexy single city girls he’d fantasized about had resisted his charms.

      I don’t think Trudy was awake yet. The neighbors would talk if they saw a strange car parked in the driveway while Pete was busily working away in the city. I got the sense she might be considering, possibly, eventually, letting him try again. That’s over now…..

    • CMSmith1848

      I think Trudy knew. I bet it is not the first time that Pete had done that. That nightie?? Come on. I do not wear stuff like that when I sleep alone. She was teasing him – which I am totally okay with. I thought she actually looked pained when Pete left. She knows that her father can be a sanctimonious bastard. Will she forgive Pete after all??

      • Wellworn

        Now that her neighborhood and her family know that Pete has cheated on her, she is done with him, I think. For her, it was all a matter of keeping up appearances after she realized he was a cheater.

    • http://twitter.com/ZoeyCharles7 Zoey

      Trudy asked for him to be there in the morning, not necessarily in her bed, but I think the nightgown was a ploy to make sure he was feeling punished in a small way.

      I didn’t think she was flirting either. They were making the comments to her. Unlike Pete, who was lapping up the attention and participating.

  • Jasmaree

    Does anyone else get irrationally angry when they see Bob Benson? He’s never really done anything, except kiss everyone’s ass, but he really gets on my nerves for some reason.

    • MsKitty

      I do, and it’s because after almost 30 years in the corporate world I’ve come across way too many Bob Bensons. And while most everyone is on to them, management always seem to have a blind spot and think the sun shines out of the asses of the Bobs. But that’s a rant for another day.

      • http://robot-heart.tumblr.com heartbot

        I think Bob has a dark side. It’s Mad Men. Everyone does. Except maybe Peaches.

        • Qitkat

          Peaches reminded me of someone–Georgette from The Mary Tyler Moore Show.

        • sweetlilvoice

          Peaches has a secret–she hates puppies! She’s a cat person really.

      • Spicytomato1

        Ha! I said something similar above. There are indeed suckups like that everywhere. Yet because it’s MM, I feel like his presence is likely to lead to something bigger and more dramatic.

  • http://asskickingadviser.com/ Ass Kicking Adviser

    Ok, first, I won my bet. I said things would blow up by this week. Thank god I was right. No more wondering about MW’s potential loss of mojo. But more importantly, where is my cookie?
    Only one other question for this week: does anyone else think Bob Benson is a mole? Not sure for who but he’s beyond smarmy. He’s downright nosy. And not in a Mrs. Kravitz type of way. hmmm….

    • VCR1

      Yes, I think Bob is some kind of spy too! Anyway, he’s up to something…..

    • janierainie

      Maybe he’s got a book in the works.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

      He seems to me that he just wants to work in the creative department soooooo bad, and he hopes that, if they see him enough hours per day, they’ll just discover how perfect he would be to the creative staff. I remember both Peter and Ken longing for Don’s creative leeway in his job.

      In other words: he’s delusional.

    • golden_valley

      There’s a Bob in every office. Saturday Night Live parodied him in the “Making Copies” skit with Rob Schneider, a bit annoying but ultimately harmless and somewhat pitiful character. I think Pete took up with Bob because Pete needs someone who kisses up to him.

      • Wellworn

        Yes, he does seem an awful lot like the “making copies” character on SNL. Except on MM he’s the “handing out coffee” guy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129137319 Paula Pertile

    * Puppies! *

    I dreamed about Peggy and I don’t know what exactly, but this episode definitely had an impact.

    I was scratching my head about her new crap apartment, but someone else said she might have bought the building? (let’s hope so), which makes sense, but then at the very end with Ted and Don she says “I just bought an apartment.” (not “building”). So I don’t know.

    While Joan was flinging it at Don, part of me was thinking “her dress is floral, there’s something going on there, oh I’ll just wait for Wednesday, the boys will explain it.” It was so great to see her unload all of that. (I can only imagine how many showers she took after the Herb thing, or how the stain of that on her psyche pains her.)

    Can’t wait to see how this new merger shakes out. How can Don and Ted be in the same spot? Will we still have TWO “Negro” secretaries? Where will Bob Benson go? (and why is he even there now?) So many questions.

    One other thing – still working out how Roger got his stewardess gal to scout for, what – GM Executives? Obvious businessmen with $? Specifically, a Chevy guy? Because when she calls Roger, she says something like “I’ve got one”, and Roger seems to know exactly what he’s got on the line before he even gets there. I was impressed, but also just a little puzzled at how that all went down, exactly.

    Thanks for the excellent recap!

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      He told her to pay attention to businessmen flying in and out of Detroit and find out which ones were top-ranking car execs. Kind of a brilliant plan, actually.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129137319 Paula Pertile

        OK, thanks. I missed that somehow. Yes, it was impressive.

    • Julie Parr

      Don’s “I love puppies” made me laugh out loud. Love it.

    • Cheryl

      She bought the whole building; remember she said something about their tenant? Not her upstairs neighbor, but specifically their tenant. And she explained in last week’s episode that she had a “tax problem,” even after paying off her (or her mom’s) bills. She needed to invest that money, and real estate was the best bet for her. So she was looking for a place to buy, and renting out the other floor provided additional income.

      • Lisa_Co

        The tenant was probably living there before Peggy bought the building.

  • Laylalola

    The actor who plays Pete is just be a master (and hilarious) body/stunt actor or whatever that type of skill is called. I loved his dancing with Trudy several seasons ago, every time he gets into fights, even his dragging the skis around was borderline slapstick.

    • Frank_821

      Yes Vincent Kartheiser does appear to be a master at the prattfall and physical comedy

  • Girl_With_a_Pearl

    Poor Joan. Don getting rid of Jaguar because he hated Herb – mostly because of his treatment of Joan. Don saw it as a noble act, but Joan saw it as her having prostituted herself for nothing. (Although she still gets to be a partner.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

      I don’t think Don saw it as a noble act, I think he was just rationalizing to convince himself he did it to save the day.

      • golden_valley

        As usual with Don there were mixed feelings there. He seemed puzzled at her reaction saying something about her feeling like a 300 lbs being lifted off her. I don’t know that he was being noble but just assumed she would be relieved not to have to see him in the office. He also has contempt for the Jag dealership guy for trying to change their brilliant plans in the early part of the season and then for trying to foist this Chris Fawcett on the account.

      • http://twitter.com/ZoeyCharles7 Zoey

        Oh I am pretty sure that he thinks it was a noble act. He was the only partner that told Joan not to do it…too late, but the only one.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

          He didn’t do it for Joan, because he knew she made the decision. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have let the company get hired by Jaguar after knowing about Joan’s actions. He just got hurt in his ego, reacted to it and then started looking for “reasons”. Remember in season 1 when he just left Sally’s birthday party, never came back with the cake and then he brought the dog so the kids would be happy and Beth wouldn’t call him on that? And then he got all cocky when Roger made his announcement and started to give orders. To his own partners.

          Maybe I’m biased, but I’m over Don’s bullshit. Any redeeming quality he had is gone since he even blew out his second marriage. Megan said it last season: “you can’t blame all that on Betty”.

    • sarahjane1912

      Hmm, you make a good point about Joan still getting to be a partner.

      I can understand that she was furious about Don’s handling of the situation because — as it looked to her and Pete — Don ‘fired’ Herb/Jaguar on a ‘whim’, but I don’t QUITE buy her comment that she ‘did it all for nothing’. She DID get to be partner; we have to remember that. She didn’t do it completely for nothing at all.

      Besides, the public offering [while momentarily stalled] isn’t completely dead in the water either. Losing Jaguar [even without Chevy in the wings] wasn’t going to completely kill the agency either, was it? She still has a job. Still is a partner. I thought that line didn’t quite ring true …

      • Frank_821

        I took Joan’s comment that (in spite of her being made partner) she made this ugly sacrifice in order to secure an account that was critical to the prestige, success and morale of the company that the assessor used to establish the price of their potential IPO.

        Joan was finally getting some real benefit to having whored herself for the company. That million dollars would have compensated a lot for all gossip and whispers she would continue to endure. Don tossing an important account, that she was instrumental in getting, jeopardized all of that.

        • sarahjane1912

          Fair point. And a million dollars is like … a gazillion in today’s money. Poor Joanie. :-(

          • Lattis

            baby cough* and sheepish face. $3.3 million in today’s dollars. Not sure why I do this – but I always look stuff like that up. I bookmark “CPI Inflation Calculator” and obsessively look up any dollar values mentioned in the shows I watch. Not much good for Game of Thrones but otherwise . . . :)

          • sarahjane1912

            *Chortle* Still seems like a million would buy a lot more then.

            I mean — harking back to young Pegs — who WOULDN’T want to be in the position to purchase a lush apartment on the Upper East Side for TWENTY SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS?!? Still reeling at that number. ;-)

          • Lisa_Co

            But a decade later, the average rent for a 1 bedroom apartment on the UWS was only about $300 a month. For $26,000 Peggy must have bought the entire building (albeit with unpleasant tenants).

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

            I don’t know who you are, but I love you and I want to hug you for that.

  • Pennymac

    Wonderful episode made wonderful-er bu the opening of the MM Lounge!

    My favorite lines have been discussed already, but after watching the it the second time last night, I had some serious LOL’s going on during the Pete vs Don Jaguar argument: Namely, the junior staff agape on the stairway and outside of the conference room, Ginsburg at the helm of the evesdrop train, and their hurried exit stage left when the partners came out of the room and went into Don’s office. It was hysterical!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josefina-Madariaga-Suárez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

    What a great episode, uh? I feel so happy for Peggy, but I can’t wait to see how the new dynamic with Stan will be. I still don’t quite believe that Megan is still trying to save her marriage after Don called her a whore.

    But I have to say that my favorite parts from this episode were: Marie being supportive to Megan, her hilarious faces during the dinner with the Jaguar asshole and his silly wife, and the whole scene in the couch listening to Megan moaning in her room and holding that bottle. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I love Marie.

  • Joe M

    A minor point, but as an airline history buff, I loved seeing the Northwest Orient Airlines ephemera in the departure lounge. That would have exactly been the airline they took to Detroit.

  • http://twitter.com/Alyssa_T_Robot Alyssa T. Robot

    is it wrong that i wish at least one of the characters had a normal, loving relationship with a member of the opposite sex? no relationship is perfect of course but i feel like there are plenty that work well and are healthy. mostly.

    • MsKitty

      From appearances it seems like Ken and his Mrs. are pretty solid.

      (of course I haven’t seen this ep yet, so depending on last nights developments I could be totally wrong)

      • Nicholas

        He could have been more appalled at Pete’s brothel adventures, though.

        • Frank_821

          well let’s be fair. It was Ken who introduced him to the brothel’s existence

          • Girl_With_a_Pearl

            Yes, it was Ken in the old days that always had the names and numbers of prostitutes for the clients. Pete’s behavior would hardly shock him. Besides, he’s worked at this firm for years now. He’s seen a whole lot worse behavior.

      • http://twitter.com/Alyssa_T_Robot Alyssa T. Robot

        that’s true, in the past ken has seemed to be a good husband to his wife. in this season though, he’s already appearing more jaded and less of a dreamer… which is a shame. this could just be a personal problem for me though – even when i played the sims i could never let them cheat on each other because i felt bad for the inanimate image on my screen. i want everything to be perfect and happy!

    • Iz and Oz

      Although I wouldn’t classify it as “normal”, I do think there are some characters on the show who have at least a respectful, platonic relationship with the opposite sex. What sticks out to me is Don and Joan, and their honest discussion at the bar after Joan had been served. Peggy and Don, although this might change in future episodes and deteriorated a little near the end of her stay at SDCP. One of my favorite episodes was their interactions the night Anna died, and how she “passed on her blessing” to Peggy. Though her and Don are going through a rough spot, I think in the future this will definitely amend itself in some way or another.

      Stan and Peggy also have a cute, brother-sister thing going on (even though I think he did have a crush on her before.)

      But oh wait … did you mean like a romantic relationship? Definitely agree with you in that aspect then haha.

      • http://twitter.com/Alyssa_T_Robot Alyssa T. Robot

        yeah, i was talking romantic but even the platonic relationships between men and women on this show are kinda messed up.

        • pamasutra

          Betty and Henry seem to have a much better marriage than she and Don did. They seem to care for each other and he’s a better father to those kids that Don ever was.

    • golden_valley

      But a normal loving relationship is dull because there are plenty of them. No one would watch MadMen if it weren’t for these restless, complicated characters suffering from their fatal flaws and enjoying occasional successes.

      • http://twitter.com/Alyssa_T_Robot Alyssa T. Robot

        i don’t think there are plenty of loving relationships in the world but i do agree it would get boring from an entertainment standpoint – which i why i said just one relationship that wasn’t kinda awful. besides, there’s plenty of other drama to be had other than that of romantic dilemmas. after all, who you’re married to or sleeping with is just one part of your life, there are plenty of things you can mess up and still have a decent marriage.

    • http://www.facebook.com/georgina.brown.1675 Bawoman

      Stan and Peggy seem the closest thing to it.Well, they did anyway…curious to see how they work together now.

  • Julie

    Poor Pete. How many times did he have to fall down the stairs for that take?

  • Diana

    I would probably hate Bob Benson in real life but on the show I’m always glad to see him walking around with his two cups of coffe. And that Joan moment was perfect.

  • H2olovngrl

    Alan Sepinwall gave you a shout out in his Mad Men review today. He called your Mad Style reviews “brilliant”. You boys rock! I love it when I see you guys getting the props you so deserve!

    http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-mad-men-for-immediate-release-mutually-assured-creation

  • roble ridge

    I loved Roger in this episode:

    - When Roger got the call from Daisy about having the Chevy exec and his flight being delayed. Roger hurrying out the door, grabbing his bag and then going back to get his shoes on top of newspapers. That was when I realized he was shining his own shoes with the kit from the shoe-shine man who died. Such a brilliant callback!
    - When he told Daisy to get him” a glass of water with an onion”, a double Jim Beam for his potential client and to make sure he got on the flight to Detroit – also brilliant!
    - His calling the Draper household, speaking to Marie to try to smooth things over with her, but then asking for Don and pissing off Marie was hilarious.

    And a bonus:

    - The look of FML on Marie’s face between the phone ringing and listening to Megan & Don get it on in the bedroom was priceless!

    • Angela_the_Librarian

      And the copies of his self-published memoir that he dumped out of the bag before leaving!

      • CatherineRhodes

        Oh, that’s what that was! Good catch.

      • Zaftiguana

        I loved that moment. Such a small action that spoke volumes.

        • helenduck

          HA! “Volumes.”

          Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    • CMSmith1848

      I totally agree. It reminded me of how he complained about how he made his job look easy.

  • LuluinLaLa

    Loved this episode, but a couple of points I am still confused about. Could three partners take a company public if another one (Don) didn’t want to? Could two partners decide to merge with another agency without the knowledge or blessings of the other three? I’m all for suspending disbelief, but this all seemed a bit farfetched. Then again, I don’t know much about business partnerships on this level, so please enlighten me.

    • fnarf

      The former not so much — they couldn’t complete the deal without Don, but they could certainly examine it and take it to him after — but I’m right there with you on the second. How can you merge without the other partners even knowing about it?

    • http://twitter.com/ikovachi ikovachi

      It depends on the way the corporation is structured. Some partners can have shares that are not voting shares, or partners may have different percentages of voting shares. Like when Sterling sold to the London agency without Don even being present. Don did not have enough shares to effectively outvote the older partners. In this case, Don and Roger may have a larger voting block, but Pete, Cooper and Joan may have shares that together, come close to or equal to Don and Roger. If there is money involved, Roger, they assumed, would side with the money, Don was an unknown. Also Don’s character would probably not like having to answer to shareholders. It is possible that they could all out vote Don and my feeling is that they knew that is what it would have to be anyway.

      • Cheryl

        The agency wouldn’t be worth much if it just consisted of Pete, Cooper and Joan. None of them is “creative,” what would they do without Roger and Don? I doubt any one would want to invest in an ad agency without Sterling and Draper.

    • Iz and Oz

      This is just a shot in the dark, but I’m assuming it has to do with how many shares of the company you own. Maybe Bert and Pete combined had enough, say, to rule over Don and Roger, with Joan being the extra push (though her shares will probably be diluted even further after this merger. Sigh, poor Joanie ..)

      And as for the merge, as Ted said at the bar, both companies would be dead if they didn’t merge – with the heavy loss of accounts and people on both sides (SCDP losing Vick’s and Jaguar; CGC losing Gleeson), Chevy was the last hope for both of them to keep their heads barely above water. So with that said, I doubt any of the other partners on the SCDP side would argue even if they knew. Don and Roger operated under that assumption to save their company, and everyone will just have to get over it (they seem to that a lot, don’t they?) If a partner happens to disagree with the choice and leaves, though, now that just means there’s a bigger slice of pie for everyone else.

      … even if Don IS a little twat for always doing things behind people’s backs, professionally and personally. Most people would rather put up with crap to keep their cushiony jobs than go out and look for a new one.

      Just a thought :-)

      • fnarf

        Joan was a millionaire for a few seconds in this episode, when the IPO was on track. Now she’s got nothing, after Don and Pete managed to destroy the agency (I’m unconvinced by the Vega move and the merger, I think he’s bought a white elephant).

    • CatherineRhodes

      Corporate decisions can usually be made by whomever controls a majority of shares. Therefore, it’s conceivable that Cooper, Campbell and Joanie would have enough to go public without the others — although doing so would lead to a “hostile takeover” situation that they would definitely want to avoid.

      As for Don having enough shares to single-handedly merge with Chaough — no way. Don was assuming that once he got Chevy, he could bring the other partners onboard. Next episode will either be a successful merger or a blow-up. Can’t wait.

      • greenwich_matron

        Don and Roger probably have enough shares…

    • CozyCat

      They probably couldn’t legally do it. But after the week they had had (losing Jag, losing Vicks, probably no chance at Chevy) the other partners weren’t going to say no. So there may have been a call back to the office

      Also wondering if all the partners have equal shares.

    • greenwich_matron

      When the bank required more capital, Don, Burt, and Roger had to come up with twice as much as Lane and Pete, so it’s very likely that Don, Burt, and Roger owned 25% each while Pete and Lane owned 12.5% each. Everyone’s share was reduced 5% to give Joan her shares. They never explained what happened to Lane’s shares after he died, but it’s very likely that the ownership reverted back to the company and was split pro rata amongst the surviving shareholders (which would include Joan). Joan specifically negotiated voting shares before she did the deed.

      So, Burt, Don, and Roger have a little more than 27% each, Pete has a little less than 14%, and Joan has 5%. So, unless Burt was given more shares than Roger or Don in the charter or Lane’s shares did not revert and somehow Burt, Pete and Joan can use them (both of which seem really unlikely), Roger and Don own over half the company and can veto anything.

      • Glammie

        Hmmm, you don’t think Lane’s widow ended up with the shares? I’ve been wondering what happened with her.

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          No, Don paid out her share to her.

          • greenwich_matron

            No, Don paid back the money from the second capital call. The company would have either treated that as a loan, which Don paid back, or it could have issued additional shares, which Don bought back. Either way, the show never mentioned what happened to Lane’s original shares. This struck me as strange because the writers were so explicit about what would happen to Ted’s partner’s shares.

            Issuing new shares would have been a major headache, and the partnership charter probably stipulated the buy back price, which would have been higher than the cost.

          • greenwich_matron

            Also, there has to be a payoff for Bob. Aside from being in every episode, he is insanely overqualified to be a marketing flunky. So far MM has had references to an IPO and a merger while there has been a Wharton MBA with family connections to a some brokerage/dealer/financial house wandering the hallways.

          • Glammie

            Hmmm, good catch. And with a merger, an IPO becomes slightly more feasible down the line.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            You’re right. I suppose Lane’s shares reverted back to the partnership.

          • greenwich_matron

            They probably did and the writers didn’t have a scene showing it. I’ve heard that some people find that kind of stuff boring…

          • Glammie

            Thanks everyone. Yes, I suppose it is boring compared to most things, but my mind will ask the niggling question. Plus, I like Embeth Davidtz and wouldn’t mind a reappearance. Makes sense, though, that the shares reverted to the agency somehow.

          • greenwich_matron

            It doesn’t bore me, but I’ve heard that it bores others… after they begged me to stop…

            I’m not sure I believe it, but I play along. Due diligence: what’s not to love?

  • Observer

    When Don fired Jaguar he took the “we” out of Joan’s sacrifice. While she still has her partnership, the nobility of “taking one for the team” ended. Don turns all the women in his world into prostitutes, intentionally or unintentionally.

    • lulubella

      Good point. Both he and Peggy tried to “save” Joan (Peggy by firing the copywriter who drew the compromising cartoon of Lane and Joan), and both times she lambasted them for doing so, as it diminished her power.

  • http://twitter.com/kikiagogo Kiki de la Rue

    I realized last week that Sylvia is the only MOTHER that Don has had an affair with (not including the one nighters) – correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m counting Rachel, his Boho mistress, Bobbie (I know – her husband was an angry toddler), the teacher, and of course, Faye, who didn’t like kids. Even his beloved Anna was not a mother, just a really cool auntie. Megan won over Don in the end because she was great with his kids, and now he is smitten with Sylvia, the mother of a grown man. And that is pretty much Sylvia’s whole persona: wife, mother, practicing Catholic. So the whole scene with Arnie – I think a big part of Don’s discomfort was the reminder that Sylvia has other, serious obligations, and can’t ever really be there for him because other people need her, too. The delicious twist for the Mother’s Day theme was that the only mother actually present in the episode was Marie, who constantly shows her disdain for her maternal role. Even “mom of the year” Betty was missing.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      Bobbi Barrett had children. And Joan is a mother.

      • http://twitter.com/kikiagogo Kiki de la Rue

        Ok, but Joan and don haven’t been together and Bobbi’s motherhood wasn’t really part of her persona. My point is that Don is seeking comfort with a very “traditional” woman, where as in the past, his mistresses have been less conventional women…

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          I don’t know what that means when you say motherhood wasn’t “part of her persona” when you talk about Bobbi. She and Don had a couple conversations about the fact that she’s a mother. It bothered him.

          And I mentioned Joan because you said Marie was the only mother in the episode.

          • pamasutra

            You are correct- It did bother him with Bobbi. it bothered him with Betty, and bothers him with Sylvia. Don has serious mother issues; he is the walking embodiment of the Madonna-Whore complex.

        • http://www.facebook.com/leela.corman Leela Corman

          If you go back to Bobbie and Don’s affair, even though it’s ultimately her comments about Don having a “reputation” that makes him walk away from her, he also is visibly uncomfortable when she mentions her kids to him at one point. It disgusts him to be in a sexual relationship with someone who’s also a mother.

          • http://twitter.com/kikiagogo Kiki de la Rue

            Ah, got it – my recollection of their time together isn’t that detailed! But that does fit with his current affair with Sylvia – her motherhood hasn’t been in his face since her son is away at college, until Arnie is in his kitchen talking about Mother’s Day gifts!

          • http://www.facebook.com/leela.corman Leela Corman

            You can actually see him thinking, “Oh my god, I’m inside of something a CHILD has passed through!”

          • Glammie

            Hmmm, I didn’t get that vibe at all. More that he was kind of stunned that she had never bothered to mention their existence.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            Yeah, I don’t think Don is disgusted by having sex with a mother, since he was married and sexually active with Betty for a decade after she first gave birth.

          • Elan

            Perhaps it’s not “sex with a mother” that disturbs him but “having an affair” with a mother…which would so easily tangle up with his childhood mother figures.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            Okay, but Sylvia’s at least the second mother he’s had an affair with, so I don’t think it disturbs him too much.

        • sweetlilvoice

          Hmmm…maybe that’s why his affair annoys me so much! I just can’t see the attraction to Sylvia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/georgina.brown.1675 Bawoman

    You know its a good episode when you cant stop chuckling and shaking your head and saying “I love this show” right after it.

  • decormaven

    Great episode! Can’t wait for Mad Style. Daisy’s patterned bra/panty set- I remember that well. Vassarette. Also, the dress Megan wore to the Jaguar dinner- was that her “lucky” audition dress from “The Other Woman”?

  • fnarf

    So….Vega? That’s the word. That’s the car that actually had that project name in 1968, XP-887. But there are some serious problems with that car: it’s not a sports car, it’s an economy subcompact, though they couldn’t really market it as an economy car in the end because it was too expensive. Hardly a “rocket ship”. And it doesn’t come out until 1970; the first teaser ad for the Vega came out in May 1970.

    So what the hell is this new mega-agency, with seven partners and a couple more banging on the door (Harry Crane may be an asshole, but he’s right when he says that in 1968 you’ve got to have TV in the meetings), going to do in the coming two years? Since between them they’ve recently lost three of their biggest accounts (Alfa, Jag, Vicks)?

    • fnarf

      I guess what I’m getting at is, has Don blown up the company when he thinks he’s saved it? Is Vega going to be a white elephant? Is SDCPCGC going to implode? Is Peggy going to type a press release, or a letter of resignation? She doesn’t want to work under Don. Harry’s going to bolt. This company is full of stuffed shirts who sit around but don’t actually do a lot of paying work.

    • Joe M

      1970 isn’t very far off, really. These ads take many months to develop, and that’s just what they have.

      • fnarf

        It’s TWO YEARS off. They can’t actually produce any ads until May 1970; they don’t even have pictures now. Is Chevy going to start paying them for work that’s two years off? Two years is an eternity in advertising. The agency depends on billings every month — billings that have just shriveled up substantially. I’m worried for them.

        • Cheryl

          I’m not convinced it’s the Vega, even though the whole Internet is. I lean more towards the Chevelle, which was considered Chevy’s “muscle car” and would be in competition with the Mustang and Camaro. It was produced in 1968, which wouldn’t really give us enough time for the ad campaign, but unless MW weighs in on this, I’ll assume Chevelle.

    • greenwich_matron

      I remember that the Car Talk guys named it one of the worst cars ever (perhaps even the worst) and said it was made of compressed rust.

      I’m sure it’s better to have a winning product, but a lot can happen in three years. Wasn’t it three years ago that they lost the tobacco account?

      • Qitkat

        “Compressed rust” is so true. We owned a ’73 model for several years and joked that the rust was all that was holding it together. It was finally totaled in a minor head-on collision that wasn’t our fault.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        CAR TALK! I haven’t listened to that show in years. I used to love those guys.

  • pattycap11

    I can’t wait till Peggy moves out of that apt.

  • http://twitter.com/DarrenNesbitt Darren Nesbitt

    Trudy’s night gown was awesome! I stopped listening to the conversation when she got out of bed and glided across the room. to put on her robe.

    • lumivalentine

      YES. it was glorious (preferably without the matching jacket)

  • MK03

    Does anyone else think that Megan’s dinner dress looks an awful lot like her “lucky audition dress” from last season? I think they took it, shortened it and added some gold details. I’m hoping this week’s Mad Style can back up my theory.

    • KateWo

      I think it’s not the same dress but the same color. Now that Megan’s a star her ‘naked’ dress has the metallics Janie Bryant uses to signal wealth in women

      • sarahjane1912

        Ha ha. As soon as I read ‘naked dress’, I thought of Carrie and her outfit from SATC. [Sorry]. :-)

  • jackie cohen

    Peaches and Herb??!! omg I didn’t even catch that …. you guys are brilliant.

    • lilyvonschtupp

      That was hilarious!

  • Iz and Oz

    This episode was honestly my favorite to date. And my favorite moment was the chat between Don and Ted in the bar … even though the two had previous animosity for each other, you can tell they still have the utmost respect for each other when it comes to talent, and ideas.

    One thing I’m really interested in seeing more of is the dynamic between the weird love-work triangle between, Peggy, Don and Ted that the boys mentioned. Don was a fantastic mentor who nurtured Peggy’s talent, treated her like an equal, and never came onto her sexually. But he grew to take her for granted, which caused her to flee and find out what she was capable of without him. Ted acknowledges Peggy’s talent, treats her even better than an equal (he seems to be in constant awe of her creativity), and well … did come onto her sexually. But this time she actually WANTS to stay. Now, with the two big bosses coming together, how will this pan out for her? Management styles are colliding … If she’s caught in the act with Ted, will she lose all of her credibility and be reduced back to square one?

    I honestly can’t wait. It seems like no matter how far she tries to run, she can’t escape Don. She worked for him, emulated him in her management style and presentation when she moved to CGC, and now works for him again. I really hope one day she manages to really make a name for herself and unleash her true talent and potential. I wouldn’t be surprised at the very end of the series if she starts her own firm, or at least become a partner and finally gains the respect she deserves.

  • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

    If we’re going to use “prostitute” and “Joan” in the same sentence, it’s more accurate to say that the partners prostituted Joan for the greater “good.” They asked her to take one for the team by being intimate with a creep. She could either let the company go or ask for something big in order to save face. She was smart and asked for a partnership. How dare Don fire Jaguar after what they put her through? Yes, she had a choice, but not a great choice. She wasn’t victimized. She’s too strong to be a victim. But how can anyone at the company put her down for using what God gave her when they asked her to to it?

    I actually like Pete more since I saw Vincent Kartheiser on Watch What Happens Live. He’s a mellow guy with a great sense of humor. I’m not sure I can fully embrace Pete after he forced himself on the nanny a couple seasons ago. That act seemed out of character and actually meaner than Pete usually is.

    • gogobooty

      Jeez, Pete just remains a Grimy Little Pimp no matter what the circumstances. When the banker said Joan’s books were in perfect order, I gave her a “Right on, Joanie!” from my side of the screen. It was nice to see someone appreciate her good work. But the GLP insinuates that the compliment is because everyone wants to do Joan. He seems ready to sell her out again at the first chance he gets.

      I pretty much want someone to punch the GLP in the chops every episode. They can all take turns. (Him skidding down the steps on his ass was a pretty good substitute tho!)

      Also, is it just me or is it looking like Pete is using the Lady Clairol for Him? He used to be kinda sandy haired and now he has the black shoe polish look of a Grecian Formula fellow.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      “If we’re going to use “prostitute” and “Joan” in the same sentence, it’s
      more accurate to say that the partners prostituted Joan for the greater
      “good.”"

      I don’t think that’s more accurate at all and it casts Joan in an entirely passive light, which has never been the case. Pete proposed something she found abhorrent, Lane taught her to negotiate for a better deal, and she did just that.

      • http://marshmallowjane.com/ marshmallowjane

        I didn’t cast her as a victim at all. I explained that.

        I’m saying this in a friendly way, but you guys just don’t like her. I honestly believe–because she’s curvaceous with tight clothes–that you see her in a bad light no matter what she does. The idea of sleeping with the Jaguar guy was unpleasant to her. Why do you think she did it?

        I would consider her more of a “prostitute” if she used her beauty to marry a wealthy man. Look at the arm candy of the other men. Joan honestly loved her husband, and he was too self-centered to give her love. She works hard at her job, and she’s extremely competent. She could marry anyone in the organization. She has been with Roger. They’ve known each other for years. It may be stupid to “socialize” in the work place but statistics show that many people meet spouses at work.

        I’ve been surprised at how you–and MANY OTHERS–interpret Joan. No compassion or empathy for her whatsoever.

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          I didn’t say “victim.” I said “passive.”

          I literally have no idea where you’re getting the idea we don’t like her or that we have no compassion or empathy for her. I suggest you read through all of our Mad Men coverage before you say something like that. You clearly haven’t. A tenth of our Mad Style posts alone would put the lie to the idea that we look down on her for wearing tight clothes.

          I also have no idea why you take umbrage with the idea of calling her a prostitute when she was paid to have sex with a man and pretty much everyone in the story including herself referred to it as prostitution. It’s not a judgment against her; it’s just a fact of the story. This does not deny in any way that the act was unpleasant for her, nor does it mean we see her in a bad light.

  • http://twitter.com/1tsplove sara

    I totally agree that Peggy is not looking forward to a return to the old gang. Don emerging from the shadows was kind of like a bad nightmare. She’s finally moved on, and now here he is, back to pull her down to where she belongs (as one of his subordinates). Ted’s smile as she walks out of the room really made me laugh. He is adorable and clueless.

    • siriuslover

      I did, however, appreciate Ted very firmly telling her her continued position. What was his line? “You’re copy chief in one of the top 25 ad agencies in the country. And you’re not even 30. I’m jealous.” Or something to that effect. It was almost as if her were reassuring her that she would NOT face downward mobility with the move, and then there was the handshake from hell…I mean Don…to seal the deal.

  • Nicholas

    You’re forgetting something very important that you didn’t bring up that puts Don’s actions here in a very different light:

    The last time the other partners made a decision behind Don’s back, JOAN PROSTITUTED HERSELF FOR AN ACCOUNT! That’s the history of the partners making decisions without including Don, and I honestly think that episode and this one reflect better on Don than the partners.

    Back then, was Don really an asshole for going against that decision—even though it was too late? Both the partners and Don are consistent in their choices, and I think the partners are just as stubborn as Don here, if not more. Don never accepted the proposal, not then, not now.

    This time around, Don got his way behind the back of the others—now they know what it feels like!

    • sweetlilvoice

      Mmmm….good catch. Don also hated Jaguar because he never really knew if he really won it on his creative or because of Joan.

      • nycfan

        I also think Don would reject going public because he can only be “so” public without drawing too much scrutiny. If he is an officer/owner of a public company, he invites a lot more scrutiny than Dick Whitman can take.

        • missd

          I really want that to blow up in his face soon. It’s almost been forgotten.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      Just a note to once again let people know that just because we didn’t type out the exact thoughts you had in your head regarding an episode, doesn’t mean we “forgot” something.

    • bd73

      they didn’t make that decision behind don’s back. they were all in the room when pete pitched it and all expressed varying degrees of shock. but not one of them said, “no.” iirc, bert cooper said, “let her know she can still say ‘no.’” not one of those guys shut that thing down. don may be protective of joan, but if he were really her friend he would have put the kibosh on that and forced pete to apologize to joan for proposing it in the first place. not one man in that partnership truly cares about joan.

  • CatherineRhodes

    AMEN to everything you said. This was the first time in ages where I’ve hit “restart from beginning” to watch the episode again right after it ended.

    • Love Peggy in what we would consider “old lady” drag. In that hairstyle and matron-wear she looks like she’s Abe’s mother. But why o why did she let Abe talk her into buying that crappy apartment? When it comes to men, her good judgement goes out the window.

    • Yes, prostitution is a big theme in this show, which is what advertising is, really. The client pays money to the agency to whore the product.

    • $1 million in 1968 (Joan’s share) would be worth $6,772,891 today. No wonder she was pissed. Given that she only owned 5 percent of the company, the deal to take SCDC public was worth approximately $140 million to the partners.

    • Lattis

      CatherineRhodes, I swear to you I am laughing to myself as I type this: how do you come up with the $6.7 million figure? I came across the “CPI Inflation Calculator” awhile ago and obsessively look up dollar values (see my comment upthread if inclined) in the shows I watch. It gives a $3.3 million current value for $1 million in the late sixties. Whatever you use to calculate the current value of $ is a much better deal for Joan – so I am all for it!

      And, yes, I’m aware of how obsessively nerdy I am. :)

      • CatherineRhodes

        Lattis,

        You’re funny, but I think you’ve met your match on the obsessively nerdy scale. :-)

        Calculating time value of money is more complicated than it initially seems. For example, you could use relative buying power, ie: what a loaf of bread or a new car or a 2-bedroom house cost then vs. now. But that’s tricky, because as a percentage of income, the cost of food and clothing has actually decreased due to globalization and technology, and land has increased.

        I use a site that takes the CPI from the prior December, then calculates the time value of money based on the rate of inflation each year.

        http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm

        (BTW: Joan’s figure of $6.7 mill was based on a $9 per share valuation, whereas Bert Cooper said the final number was $11 — had Don not blown up the deal.)

  • Yosa Addiss

    I also love that they have made Ted C. so appealing. He doesn’t look like Don Draper, but he is appealing to Peggy (who I totally identify with…) in a slow burn of respect way that I find completely compelling. Sad to watch Peggy and her choice of partner so off kilter- ie that terrible apartment.

    Loved Joan. Aww yeah, that was awesome. And totally predictable Don goes and tries to fix it- how exactly? Yikes.
    Loved Pete- and I wonder if that was a planned fall or a slip by the actor that he managed to hold into a character moment? However it came about- BRILLIANT.

  • Joy

    Reunited and it feels so good!!So excited for Peggy and Don to work together again. A few thoughts. I wonder if Dawn and Phyllis will be friends? I know I would be excited if there was another black person in the office, but I bet Dawn doesn’t approve of Phyliss being so free and open with Peggy.

    Next Bob Benson is totally Don’s son from the whorehouse who has tracked him down. OR he is a spy from the feds waiting to get info to charge Dick Whitman.

    OR

    It turns out he is someone really important that gets them another big account. All of a sudden people take notice to him and the same thing that happened between Roger and Pete, happens with Bob and Pete. Bob will become the new it guy in accounts.

    Still thinking he is the secret love child.

    • trixietru

      I like the Bob conspiracy theories. All I know is something better pay off quickly to explain his Waldo-ness. And it better be jaw droppingly juicy!

    • Wellworn

      OMG “Reunited” is the Peaches and Herb song. LOL recognized the names for the duo but forgot about their big hit. I feel the need to make elaborate Excel databases with all the clues, nuances and minuitae for the Mad Men 101 course that shall be taught by Professors T and Lo.

  • appliquer

    Excellent episode, and this is the best review I’ve read!

  • nycfan

    1. Loved the Prince of Darkness vibe when Don revealed himself to Peggy in Ted’s office.
    2. Said this on the TLounge thread, but I’m pretty sure that Ted “Drapered” Don, making Don think merging the two firms was Don’s idea when it is what Ted desperately needed. Also, Ted’s pitch was so lame, will be interested to see which creative won the day — I expect that merger will be a huge cash drain on the SCDP folks and create even more bitterness as they careen from nearly millionaires to strapped/starting over again with a crummy product (Chevy Vega). Maybe Ted gets moved to Detroit to handle that account more personally?
    3. Woohoo Joan, loved how she mowed down Don (even if he clearly didn’t hear a word of it).
    4. Does Pete still have that rifle?
    5. I was hoping that Megan might run into Sylvia’s (hopefully cute) college son and, well, see what it was like to hang with some one closer to her age.
    6. Marie is unbearably rude, and “idiot” doesn’t exactly require translation but the “apple in a pig’s mouth” is a pretty deliciously wicked insult, I’ll give her that.
    7. I do believe Roger came close to breaking down the fourth wall with his sideways invite to the team to “look it up” on his Chevy contact’s name/existence.
    8. Superman flying off the balcony to work? Sheesh, if this show doesn’t end with Don being the actual falling man from the intro at this point I’ll be almost annoyed.
    9. Could we get a screen cap of “Something By Ralph Waldo Emerson” in the Style Recap? Pretty-please?

    • Iz and Oz

      Just a question – didn’t SCDP need CGC just as much as CGC needed them? They had already lost Jaguar and Vick’s, and I believe Alfa too. I thought without the other firm, they really would both be dead.

      • nycfan

        Yes, I think SCDP probably needs the merger, as well, but I thought that all Don’s bluster about how only HE COULD think of the merging the firms and HE HAD TO think of how to sell it to Chevy by making them think they thought of it (one of his favorite tricks over the years) was sort of funny in light of the way it looked to me that Ted was pulling the same thing on Don — making Draper think that Don had another miraculous idea to merge the firms when Ted was there with the intent of nudging him to do just that, knowing full well that with Don’s ego Don would never go for such an idea unless Don himself “thought of it”. Sort of a feint within a feint, I guess. Ted was desperately(?) hoping/counting on Don to be in the bar and playing on Don’s past failures with big pitches to help Don “think of” the merger — starting with the dramatic “Dammit” when he walked in, Ted was pitching the whole way.

        • Iz and Oz

          That’s an interesting point! I suppose I didn’t think of it that way … if that’s the case, even if Ted’s creative idea sucked, he’s definitely more of a dark horse than the audience assumes.

        • lilyvonschtupp

          Does Bert Cooper know about the merger just yet? He’s gonna shit when he finds out.

        • MartyBellerMask

          Oh, I love this theory you guys. It’s worth it to come to the bottom of the comments. LOL :)
          Ted pulling the strings would be very juicy.
          Also, there’s no saying they didn’t call Bert that night and hash out merger details.

  • CatherineRhodes

    More nostalgia for how easy it used to be to fly — “get me on that flight.” Airport security didn’t start until around 1973, meaning Roger Sterling could have entered the first class lounge without a boarding pass, airline ticket or ID.

    • Joe M

      Sort of true, sort of not. At any rate, yep, in ’68, you could definitely just show up at the airport, buy a ticket at the counter, and find your way inside. (Or of course go anywhere in the airport without a ticket–which was true as late as 2001; it’s my impression though that Roger actually did fly to Detroit.)

  • purkoy28

    the subtitles were so funny, and peaches, did look like ” the apple in the pigs mouth” in that red frilly dress.

    • purkoy28

      side note,,, wasnt GoT amazing as well, both shows head a comeback from the boredom of last week, the scene towards the end with geoffery and ross, wow, that blew my mind…and the wall. i cant wait to watch both shows a hundred times this week, lol.

      • trixietru

        Being awfully stingy with the dragons. More dragons! Especially that cheeky one I call Drakkar Noir :)

  • Golfkat

    I got the vibe that Peggy’s Dream Ted was a bit of a hallucination caused by the paint fumes. Not that I don’t think it represents her desires, but I don’t think she would consciously fantasize about him like that.
    Also, that new apartment + Abe CANNOT be working out. It was 100 % awful.

    • sarahjane1912

      You’d think that she’d just get some men in to do the work, amirite? She probably saved a bit by not buying in a fancy area so she could afford to get someone to Take Care Of Things. Still … she’s still pandering to Abe and his wanting to get his hands dirty in their fixer-upper (probably to compensate for not contributing financially to the purchase. Or something.)

      • Cheryl

        Didn’t she say that she would hire a handyman? I’m sure that she could afford it, but Abe seemed to take pride in his “manly pursuit” of fixing up the place by himself. Unfortunately I think she’s deferring to him a little too much.

        • sarahjane1912

          Oh yes. She WANTS to get a handyman in, but Abe nipped that in the bud. You’re right about the ‘deferring’ thing: Pegs deffo needs to put her foot down if she wants to make her house a home. That may yet happen, given the massive changes afoot at work. I am sensing that if she is feeling a little stymied by the merger and — what she feels may be — a demotion for her etc, that she may use the home front to show some spine. We’ll see, eh? :-)

  • Lynn Landry

    so does anyone think Vincent Paul Kartheiser fell down the stairs on accident and they kept it in because it was so friggin awesome?

    • http://www.izandoz.com/ Mani @ Iz and Oz

      LOL if it was an accident the cast has some restraint keeping a straight face – especially Don! If I were on set I wouldn’t hesitate to laugh my ass off.

      • Cheryl

        No, they’ve had Pete get into several other physical situations — the fight with Lane, walking into a column one day — and this just highlighted what a clutz Pete is. Don might get just as mad, but he’d never lower himself to fall down the stairs. (Do you see what I did there?) Unless Don is drunk, then he’d probably upchuck down the stairs.

    • librarygrrl64

      No, it was intentional. What Cheryl said already, plus the stairs are (purposely and perhaps symbolically) being used a lot this season.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      Not at all. Mad Men is too meticulously planned a show for them to just wing a scene like that.

      • Lynn Landry

        Well I applaud him for not Chevy Chasing it at all. It looked genuine.

  • snarkykitten

    Peggy & Abe’s apartment reminds me of my husband’s & my first apartment. Mind you, we probably didn’t pay anywhere near what they paid, but yeah.

    Speaking of Peggy, I will be bored to tears if this Ted/Peggy thing comes to fruition. Do not care.

    Poor Joan.

    Also, interesting how in last episode, Pete was so disgusted at Harry’s racist comments, but the worst part he found about his FiL’s indiscretions was the “blackest” part

  • Lauren Hall

    Not sure if anyone else caught it, but when Roger is in his office getting ready to go to the airport, and reaches in his bag and takes out a stack of something, it’s his book Sterling’s Gold!

    • Damien W

      Yes! I loved that the books served a dual purpose on his airport trolling expeditions — he can give one out if he thinks someone will be interested, but really they serve as decoy bag-filler, LOL

    • lumivalentine

      it was a surprisingly mod bag for Roger to accessorize with, too

      • http://howtofaint.tumblr.com/ How to Faint

        It was a giveaway from the airline. They used to care about customers and care about whether or not they were happy for some weird reason.

        • decormaven

          Loved how well the set decorators/costumers got the airline memorabilia/look. Kudos!

  • pollatadana

    Did anyone else get chills when Peggy’s voiceover gives the date at the end of the episode? May 17 is less than three weeks from ANOTHER Kennedy assassination (and I’m convinced that memories of the JFK assassination were partly driving at least some characters’ responses to the MLK assassination last episode).

    • Qitkat

      And Peggy’s sigh: I love Bobby Kennedy.
      She will so devastated, much more than to MLK’s death.

      • decormaven

        I’ll be right there with her. RFK’s death, with MLK’s assassination still so fresh, truly felt like the world was falling apart.

    • theotherTLO

      Yes, I find myself thinking more about more about the time in the “outside” world this season. Abe gets into trouble at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago (riots outside b/c of nominee)? When he talked about McCarthy last night that’s all I kept thinking of. Wonder how they’ll handle RFK’s assassination in comparison to MLK last week? Not as big a deal in hindsight for us (tragic but not as symbolic as MLKs death), but a huge deal in ’68 given the timing.

      • formerlyAnon

        And for a bunch of mostly well-off white professionals living in NYC & environs, RFK’s death will (mostly) be a bigger deal personally & emotionally. He’s a well-regarded candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, an acknowledged and full-fledged “insider” in the power structure. MLK was an outsider to their universe, to many a respected leader just emerging on the national scene, but to some a renegade.

        • http://www.deborahwiles.com/ GoodSally

          He was also, at that time, a U.S. senator from New York.

        • lilyvonschtupp

          Actually MLK was in a slump at the time of his assassination not an up and comer on the national scene. He had taken much heat from LBJ for speaking out against Vietnam, furthering suspicions that MLK was a communist.

      • Cheryl

        Abe saying that “Johnson’s gone, things are looking up” was strange. This hadn’t been an optimistic time in the country. Even though no one knew how much worse it would get in the summer, everyone knew we were entangled in a war that had already stretched on too far. There were anti-war protests, civil rights protests, and huge shifts in culture and society. I can’t imagine anyone at that time saying, “Things are good right now.”

    • Cheryl

      The clock radio woke me up early that morning (we were heading upstate to my brother’s college graduation that day) and the first thing I heard on the radio was, “Senator Kennedy’s been shot.” For some reason I conflated that with JFK’s assassination, and woke up my parents to tell them that Kennedy had been shot. RFK’s was more like JFK’s, as others have said, and would resonate more with the white, upper-middle-class demographic. (New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller was supposed to speak at my brother’s graduation, but even though RFK held on for another day, Rocky cancelled his appearance.)

  • Maigan Hulme

    I love puppies…

  • Melissa

    I laughed so hard at the fact that everyone who sleeps with Pete goes into a mental hospital. I never realized it before, but it’s true!

  • dl

    Its danaerys,not khaleesi, damn.

  • desertwind

    Cannot wait until they see this fabulous car. It’s gotta be a Vega, right?

    Oh, man. The cracks from Roger…Stan…Ginsburg.

  • Qitkat

    Has anyone wondered why Pete and Bob had gone to the whorehouse together? Or was it just an odd coincidence? Bob is such a suckup that he will do anything to hang out with the upper echelon guys, even prostitution? Or is the point that Bob is a kind of prostitute himself, with his fawning?

    • gogobooty

      Pete needs a pal. Sycophant Bob is available.

      • Damien W

        “And if there’s a marital squabble,
        Available Bob’ll be there with the glue!”

        What would they do without Bob?

        • librarygrrl64

          Company. Nice shout-out. :-)

      • decormaven

        Hey, don’t forget Bob didn’t mind fetching Pete some toilet paper at the end of the work day. He’s looking to be Pete’s wingman. And Pete is going to rue the day he let that leech clip on.

    • Damien W

      Jaguar Pigboy dropped the name of his copybitch to Don — Chris Fawcett. Will we see Pete leave, take Bob with him, and take on Fawcett with Jaguar as their first client?

      Bob will have some kind of grand reveal by season’s end. Remember how Megan started out as an extra in season 4?

    • Cheryl

      Didn’t Pete say something about Bob, “He’ll pay for me”? I was wondering why Bob was just standing there; he wasn’t even holding Pete’s coat!

  • disqus_AcaXyoLVDO

    Am I the only one who thinks that Joan will be gone in a few episodes?

    With only 5% of shares and (I think) a salary, she can be fired by the rest of the board. As an office manager, she would have survived the merger, but as a partner she has a target on her back. Harry and any Harry equivalent from CGC will be angling for a partnership. With Jaguar gone, there is no reason she should be kept on as a partner. She really did sleep her way to the top (even if it was completely understandable), so her partnership and “contribution” may be seen as distasteful and unacceptable to the members of CGC. I have a feeling the next two episodes are going to focus on “redundancies” in the two firms.

    • Lattis

      Joan will be gone in a few episodes

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! bite your tongue! I wouldn’t jump ship if Joan left the show – but I would miss her like crazy.

      • disqus_AcaXyoLVDO

        Sal was also a fan favorite.

        It doesn’t matter how popular or important the character is, this show is Game of Thrones with martinis and skinny ties in place of ale and wolf-pelts.

    • Damien W

      While they often don’t spell it out on the show, I think they covered Joan’s usefulness in the beginning of the episode, when the banker praised her on her impeccable financial reporting. She already could do almost everything Lane could do when he was still around; when he took leaves of absence, he had them refer all matters to her. I don’t know what her current company title is, but she’s doing Lane’s job.

    • trixietru

      I believe Joan is safely secure. Since Cutler (Harry Hamlin) seems a lot like Roger, I’m expecting an office romance for Joan. She’s been in this dry spell too long.

      • disqus_AcaXyoLVDO

        But that’s the thing. Don didn’t just lose the account, he cost Joan her security. She sacrificed her professional and personal integrity for a secure position for her family. Joan is a rock. She endured being unappreciated and underemployed, sexism, Rodger, rape, and her awful husband. But security- that’s Joan Harris’ Achilles heel. It was Greg’s whining about his uncertain future prompted her to smash a vase over his head. All the times we have seen her lose temper was when she is undermined or made to feel powerless at work: when she was served divorce papers, when she tried to fire Jane and Scarlett, when Joey drew his cartoon, and now, when Don has recklessly left her to the mercy of a new group of partners.

        She’ll have to prove herself to retain her small percentage in a way that Pete and Roger never will. The previous partners owed her a huge debt, but these new partners may see her as a bookkeeper who used sex to gain a token partnership. She has to start all over again- maybe by charming the new partners or maybe by being better at her job than everyone there, but she still needs to find a new way to prove she belongs at the table. And it’s all thanks to Don.

        • Damien W

          First, Roger and Don will defend her standing to the death. Second, once you’re a voting partner, your’re a vorting partner. She may still have to figure out what her day-to-day working role is, but look at Bert Cooper. He shows up, reads the newspaper, sits in on meetings and shakes hands. And he’s still a partner.

        • Glammie

          Roger and Pete bring in customers and get them to spend money. It’s easy to tell what they’re worth. Don creates the product the customers are buying. Without them doing their job, Joan has no security. Joan’s doing the financial stuff and, from the looks of it, oversees HR. If she wants power in an ad agency, she needs to switch to accounts or creative.

          Agencies lose accounts all the time. It’s the nature of the business.

      • http://www.secretgirlyside.blogspot.com/ Caroline

        Did nobody else get the vibe that Cutler is CGC’s Sal, minus the tobacco exec? The tone of the actor’s voice when he asked the secretary if she was wearing Shalimar (and the fact that he identified her perfume!) seemed purposely “Sal-like” to me.

    • melissaisasnob

      What are you talking about? She is the financial officer. She has Lane’s job. She has been doing great at it.

      • disqus_AcaXyoLVDO

        What happens to the financial officer from CGC?

        • Glammie

          There probably isn’t one. Most agencies don’t have them.

      • greenwich_matron

        Joan is a very competent bookkeeper. Last season Lane was lamenting that his job wasn’t important. The financial officer deals with financial planning and risk, neither of which is a factor in a partnership. CFO’s don’t keep the books in order and they certainly don’t dilute the shares just so they can tell themselves they are millionaires.

    • Laylalola

      I don’t understand the comment at all. As a partner she has shares in the company, regardless of what happens. And why would she be asked to leave? In addition to her contributions, she’s the only female partner.

  • amyfromnj

    Did anyone else hope for a return of Sal Romano to fill the role of the guy with the pancreatic cancer? (Sorry if this has been posted before…wish I could stroll through all the comments!)

    • formerlyAnon

      Oh lord, how awful that would be! Fired for retaining a shred of personal integrity in a firm where integrity is honored mostly in the breach, brought back to die swiftly of a fast, and [at the time] certainly fatal cancer!

      • Qitkat

        I think you misunderstood the comment;) I thought @amyfromnj was wishing Sal could return to replace the guy with cancer after he is gone. Not a Bewitched Darren moment, that would be awful.

        • formerlyAnon

          I TOTALLY misunderstood! Which is silly of me, as it really doesn’t make sense the way I was thinking of it.

  • http://twitter.com/Nomotron Chris S.

    There are plenty of francophones in Québec these days with names like “Steve” or “Kevin”

    • Zaftiguana

      Lol, I was about to say that I know a 50-year-old “Steve” from Montreal. It’s on his birth certificate that way and everything. He’d be younger than Megan, of course. More Gene’s age.

  • jilly_d

    I’m pretty sure every woman in the galaxy identifies with Joan’s Rage Tears. What a performance from Christina!

  • purkoy28

    there is many moments that involve the balcony at the draper apartment, wether in comment or by in the scenes, i wonder if its a hint to something big happening around the balcony, like megan jumping off it? probably not that, but i would like that story line, but something like that may happen.

  • MissLovelyRosa

    I haven’t gone through all these posts to see if anyone has noticed (and I’m sure someone has) but here goes anyway. Did anyone notice what Megan told Don? I forget the scene exactly (maybe right before she went down on him, haha) but she said she pictured him as Superman-leaping off the balcony. Please tell me someone else picked up on this too! :)

    • librarygrrl64

      Yes, that was the gist of it.

  • eb1966

    I have strange feeling that Dr. Rosen is going to get a job offer out of state, or at least decide that he and Sylvia have to get a cheaper apartment. Just because Sylvia didn’t make an appearance this episode doesn’t mean Don isn’t hopelessly dependent on her at this point. I know lots of viewers are over the affair, but that elevator moment really felt ominous in disturbing the Don and Sylvia groove.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Wait. I thought the Cancer guy was Duck Phillips.

  • lilyvonschtupp

    I wonder if this merger means that Phyllis and Dawn will be working together. Harry Crane would have a stroke!

  • librarygrrl64

    Joan for the win this week! Followed closely by Peggy’s incredibly tame (and hilarious) sexual fantasy about Ted. That smoking jacket!!! :-D

  • buddy100

    I thought that Marie’s reaction to Herb’s wife was very telling.

    Marie is a bitter bitter woman, deeply jealous of her daughter and stewing over her own undiscovered potential and regret. She’s unhappy, so she tries to drag everyone else down and make them just as miserable.Remember how she “consoled” her daughter by telling her that she would never achieve her dreams?

    She picked on Herb’s wife because she was an easy target. But an a deeper level, she seemed like a cheerful optimistic woman who was fond of her husband and could take pleasure in something as simple as puppies. Contrast this to the pessimistic, jaded, maritally dissatisfied Marie. Though she would never admit it to herself, she wanted to rip the woman down because she saw something that she subconsciously envies.

    • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

      I’m on Marie’s side. Peaches IS an idiot.

      • VanessaDK

        MM makes clear what we are supposed to think about Peaches when she starts her monologue by declaring that she always tells herself that she will go into the city to do something “cultural” but always ends up shopping. It’s like a declaration that she is, at best, simple.

        • desertwind

          Funny thing is that Marie also seems to do quite a bit of shopping when she visits the city. Paid for by Megan.

      • buddy100

        I’m not necessarily defending lil’ Miss Peaches. In fact, despite my largely derogatory wording above, I quite like Marie. Her incisiveness and brutal honesty serves as a nice contrast to many of the more deluded characters. She’s indeed deeply bitter. But unlike Don or Roger, for instance, she doesn’t steep herself in fantasy, preferring sensory tangibility.

        That’s why I thought that it was a smart move for the writers to have her interact with two foils in this episode. Marie’s reaction towards the blithely cheerful Peaches is an exaggerated version of her critique of naive Megan. Then her preference for down-to-earth forthrightness is contrasted with Roger’s nonchalant manipulations. I feel like I have a better understanding of her character based on just a couple interactions, which is indicative of how strong this episode was.

      • CatherineRhodes

        Count me also on Team Marie. The only good thing about Peaches is that she was half of the Peaches and Herb reference.

      • lilyvonschtupp

        Peaches is and idiot, but Marie is still a bitter old mean drunk.

    • sweetlilvoice

      Marie is a bitter lady but Peaches totally monopolized the conversation about her dog and her life. She could have taken a couple of breaths at least! We all know a Peaches and they are usually not too bright.

      • greenwich_matron

        I have to speak up for Peaches. She was invited to dinner as a client’s wife. These dinners exist solely as an opportunity for the agency to ingratiate themselves to the client. She didn’t ask them out. Roger stands her up, Don can barely conceal his contempt, and Marie is as rude as she can be (“idiote” isn’t difficult to translate). So she commits the cardinal sin of trying to make pleasant conversation.

        She may be dull and vapid, but she didn’t deserve this.

        • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

          She was so self-absorbed she had no idea she was being made fun of.

          • greenwich_matron

            ?! So it’s okay to mean to someone as long as they don’t understand it? Don was at least going through the motions. Marie is a bully in the classic 8th grade sense.

          • http://twitter.com/Rowsella315 Kathy G

            We all know a Peaches. Before she married she bored us to death with stories about her and Herb and how perfect they are together and their last date and their stupid wedding plans. She never bothers to ask you how your life is and probably can’t remember your last name but I bet you know Herb’s favorite color, favorite food and if he snores at night.

          • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

            I really don’t think enough of the scene to get into a moral debate over it. Marie was a bitch, Peaches was a moron, and the scene was hilarious.

          • greenwich_matron

            You’ve got a point. I have to stop spending so much time with eighth graders: they aren’t at all funny and their French is far worse than Julia Ormand’s.

    • desertwind

      I dunno about that, but Marie was pretty sozzled.

    • AutumnInNY

      The wife was harmless and silly, just trying to make conversation and failed miserably.
      Marie is a narcissistic bitch-the bully at the table where she was a guest of Don’s.
      IMHO she’s mean-spirited and classless.
      Isn’t this the same woman who was on her knees in front of Roger an hour after she met him at that awards dinner where Sally stumbled upon them? Just sayin’.

      • trixietru

        Yep, same woman. I can practically hear the clock tick down until Sally pulls that cat out of the bag and hurls it at Megan.

      • http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/ Tom and Lorenzo

        Sounds like a fun gal to me.

  • lulubella

    Was anyone else thrown for a loop by Joan’s hair in the opening scene? It looked very modern to me and took me out of my usual Mad Men reverie …

  • lilyvonschtupp

    I got a new name for Ted: Lieutenant Mustard

  • lilyvonschtupp

    Roger’s victory and Pete’s descent reminds me of a Seinfeld quote on Elaine and George:

    “She was up, you were down. Now he’s up, and you’re down. You see how this all equals out for me?”

  • bd73

    but…khaleesi is not her name. it’s a title. khal drogo and khaleesi daenerys.

  • Froide

    Don and Roger are perfect bookkends.

    Roger (to Pete): “Because I close, Pete. I close things.”

    Faye (to Don): “You only like things when they’re new.”

  • carnush

    I live for the Marie episodes. Julia Ormond rocks my world.

  • http://twitter.com/FelinGood Felin Good

    Anyone know any good recaps that don’t discuss spend as much time discussing how this episode was long overdue, etc. I love Tom+Lorenzo’s insights; I want more of that :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jane-Morris/1076502799 Jane Morris

    So glad to finally have an episode that is all MAD MEN in its glory. That guy at the beginning advising them about going public was our pal Peter McKinsey.! Remember “Herman’s Head”, anyone? He was the conservative part of Herman’s brain.

    • MartyBellerMask

      THANK YOU.

  • Lattis

    I bow to you, CatherineRhodes. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/kerryev kerryev

    I had to wait until last might to watch this because of stupid finals, so am as obsessed today as the rest of you were yesterday. I love this from Grantland:
    “The firms of Margaret Olson and This Is Some Bullshit would like to announce that it would’ve been nice if SOMEONE had consulted her about her new boss shacking up with the self-destructive human tire-fire of a mentor she finally found the courage to leave, hoping to make her own name in the world. “

  • pollatadana

    A little bit of Mad Men nerditude that I just put together and thought I’d share: this episode closes with “Autumn Leaves” (not sure whose arrangement) and the strings from the show’s opening theme are drawn from a different arrangement of the same song. A nod to the reboot set into motion in this episode?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=14301272 Kate Gorton

    OMG. Can you PLEASE do one gif per recap? That might be asking too much, but I just legit CACKLED.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=14301272 Kate Gorton

    Also, best line:

    Roger: “Did Pete just say your dinner with Jaguar was off?”
    Don: “Yes. Unless that was the world’s most boring dream.”

  • Tintashoopa

    When Roger woke up in bed with Daisy, I thought it was Joan at first. Has anyone mentioned that yet?

  • purkoy28

    i cant wait for mad style, i noticed so much about the costumes this ep, but dont want to put it down until after tlo, isnt that the unspoken agreement on this site?

  • purkoy28

    the car that don and ted are fighting for at chevy is……… the vega, it was a greaat success when realeased in 1970, high tech, fuel and energy effiecient, but rusted before it left the garage, and was not what the people wanted at the time, on top of other internal problems… so afer lots of recalls, in 78, the car was taken off the market. so lets see if the vega is the eventual flop of a car they get…. but they want chevy , not the vega : )

  • http://twitter.com/PhDKnitter marlie

    Joan won this episode for me. I can’t wait until Sunday.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mythologicality DC Sheehan

    I keep asking myself: why Bob Benson? We’ve spent a reasonable amount of time getting to know him without knowing him at all. He’s there for a reason. Spy? Turns out he is gay/secret Nazi/married to a black woman? Guy who’s gonna go crazy and shoot Don? Or guy who knows something about one of the cast? Don’s secret is always there…hidden to many…I wonder if it’ll finally blow?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=60708357 Tamani Green

      Don’s unknown love child.

  • OliviaCarmichael

    wasn’t it interesting/awesome how don used on ted a variation of the same line that pfc. dinkins used on him in hawaii?? “hey lieutenant, want to get in some trouble?” don is even sitting in the same position where dinkins was.

  • maya s

    a great episode all around! i re-watched it almost immediately :)

    A fun thing i found repeating in this episode with its rapid and major changes in business, is that all that real business is largely being done OUTSIDE the office: in bed with a stewardess, in an airport lounge, in the middle of the night at a bar, accidentally at a whorehouse, etc.

    It might only be a relatively small thing, but I love your observation of Don’s pitching ads without the products in them.. i think his ideas are better than CGC’s, edgier and not as obvious, like with Heinz and GM (and reminds me a bit of Peggy’s totally progressive headphone commercial, where you hear no music at all)