Carey Mulligan for Vogue Magazine

Posted on April 15, 2013

Here she is, folks: your Daisy Buchanan, star of the upcoming Gatsby, Carey Mulligan, in one of the worst pictures of her we’ve ever seen:


Carey Mulligan covers the May 2013 issue of Vogue Magazine photographed by Mario Testino in an Oscar de la Renta gown.

Seriously, Vogue. THAT’S the one you picked for the cover?

Oscar de la Renta Fall 2013 Collection

Nina Ricci Pre-Fall 2013 Collection

Miu Miu Dress Embroidered with Swarovski Elements


Stunning dresses, but she doesn’t take well to that hair and makeup at all. Is this how she looks in the movie? We would’ve thought she’d be a natural for the ’20s styles, but this face is just … not good for her.

[Photo Credit: Mario Testino for Vogue,]

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  • aeb1986

    i also hate the color of that dress in the cover. the second shot of her is outstanding

    • Paigealicious

      I actually love that chartreuse color but it’s NOT working on her.

  • Paigealicious

    Hate the “face,” love the gowns!

  • Beardslee

    I can’t respond to your comment about Carey Mulligan as I am stopped in my tracks by the horrible posture of the Nina Ricci model. Why choose this photos, out of the dozens taken, to showcase this dress? I am completely baffled.

  • lizlemonglasses

    This does nothing but support my fear that this adaptation will be an epic train wreck.

  • Danielle Lisle

    The first dress isn’t my cup of tea but the second one made me gasp.

  • Laylalola

    This movie is so going to bomb. Lovely spread, though.

  • Judy Julian

    She doesn’t look very modern, but she does look very 1920’s.

  • PastryGoddess

    That makeup artist should be fired and then set ON fire for doing that to her face. She looks like a plastic doll here

    The dresses and sets are fab

    • marlie

      Haha, fired AND set on fire. It’s just THAT bad.

    • Ramon Figueroa

      Fired, re-hired, set on fire and fired again. I am channeling Parker Posey in Will and Grace.

      • jetpackdino

        Oh I remember that episode! Damn that was funny.

    • judybrowni

      Or the photo shop editor should be lynched.

      • H3ff

        There’s some serious uncanny valley going on at her stomach (or, more accurately, where her stomach should be).

    • MissWix

      Coming from a makeup artist, this is seriously bad makeup. She can totally pull off a 20’s face. Just not a 2013 badly reinterpreted, poorly applied 20’s face. I want to take a makeup wipe to her and start over.

  • Kiltdntiltd

    Wow, that is one ill considered styling they’ve done on her. But the clothes themselves are luscious.

    • Sarah

      She looks like a wee baby, no? That’s my problem. A rosy-cheeked Campbell’s soup baby. Love the dresses, though.

  • pookiesmom

    Really? I think she looks adorable. Huh.

    • Sara L.

      Yeah, I’m kind of confused as well. I think she looks perfectly 20s and perfectly wonderful. I love the flapper hair on her.

      • pookiesmom

        So glad to know I’m not the only one!

    • MilaXX

      It all feels to neon on her.The bright dress, the bright lip, the tons of bling. It overwhelms.

  • sablehunter

    OMG no. Yuck. What’s with the smelted metal pour thingy on her head.

  • Katie Dunneback

    Good Christ, that’s bad lighting!! She looks a thousand times better in the trailers!

  • amelialouisa

    Can’t wait to see it! Great spread!

  • Sobaika

    LOVE the cover dress, love the jewelry… but not for her. It’s too overpowering for Carey and her makeup looks garish.

    • curiouserandcuriousest

      I too love the dress. I gasped, I coveted! They should pass it onto me.

  • hmariec19

    I LOVE the gowns. Gimme that chartreuse.

  • Kiltdntiltd

    You too, huh? Not to say that the Redford/Farrow version doesn’t have serious problems. But I have had my doubts about this from the first time I heard about it.

    • drdarke

      I read THE GREAT GATSBY in school, @kiltdntiltd:disqus – and I couldn’t tell what the story was from the Redford/Farrow film!

      • Kiltdntiltd

        And the pacing was leaden, throughout.

      • turtleemily

        I remember we read it in high school then watching both the Redford version and a more recent one (“more recent” in 2001) to compare and contrast how they followed the book… I can’t even remember who was in the newer one.

        • Peggy Larkin

          Paul Rudd as Nick (good choice!) and everything else about it was TERRIBLE.

          • Lauren Hall

            Totally agree! It was a made for TV version and the sets looked like it. Paul Rudd was great as Nick, though.

    • docholly

      Sam Waterston & Karen Black killed it in that version.

  • lareveuse

    Well, if they were going with a sinister, creepy Daisy Buchanan, then they nailed it. Also, her hat looks like tinfoil.

  • Sobaika

    Either a train wreck or a spectacular feast for the senses. Baz Luhrmann always ping pongs between the two.

    • Rhonda Shore

      Well said.

    • Lizzie

      I actually suspect it may be BOTH a train wreck AND a spectacular feast for the senses, given Luhrmann’s tendencies…

      • lizlemonglasses

        That sounds about right, but I have so much love for the original book, in this case, that I’m afraid I’ll feel less forgiving.

    • drdarke

      That sounds about right, Sobaika – Luhrmann is either brilliant or self-indulgent, and you never know which one you’re going to get.

      I was never a fan of THE GREAT GATSBY – the only reason I’m going to see this (probably on HBO or Netflix) is to see Amitabh Bachchan play Meyer Wolfsheim. He’s barely known here in the US, but he’s a cinematic icon in India – he went from “angry young man” roles in the Seventies to Sean Connery-like aging lion roles now. I want to see how he passes as a New York Jewish gangster in the Jazz Age – because he needs to be working more in the West.

      • Sobaika

        I thought that was an interesting/strange casting choice. But Luhrmann has long been influenced by Hindi cinema so perhaps it’s a nod to that.

        • drdarke

          Could well be, Sobaika.

          I recommend anyone who wants to see Amitabh Bachchan in action see BHOOTHNATH – or as my wife calls it, “Ghost Grandpa!” He acts, he sings, he dances – and it’s got a cute kid and Shahrukh Khan in a supporting role.

      • Dorothy Damage

        I absolutely adore Amitabh Bachchan (and was dancing to songs from Don this weekend), but I’m not sure I can watch another Luhrmann film, especially one based on The Great Gatsby (not a fan of Fitzgerald).

        • drdarke

          Yeah, @dorothydamage:disqus – I can’t say as I blame you, either. That’s why I’m holding out for Netflix….

          But definitely – everybody, see BHOOTHNATH! It’s a family-friendly story (well, if you don’t mind watching a man in late middle age and a boy of nine or ten eying “shorties” together!) about a misanthropic old ghost meeting his match with a kid, then bonding with him so strongly that he tries to keep the kid with him forever.

          It’s on Netflix – disc only.

          • Dorothy Damage

            I’ll have to find it, I live near an area of London is mostly south Asian, so I’m sure I’ll be able to get it in a shop somewhere.

          • drdarke

            Southall, @dorothydamage:disqus ? I’m sure there’s got to be Indian video stores there – I found one in Queens, NY where I picked up a bunch of DVDs that I could play on my American DVD player….

          • Dorothy Damage

            That’s the one! There are definitely video shops all over. The next time I go for food I’ll have a look around.

    • MrsAtaxxia

      Or a feast that makes you regret it the next morning.

    • lalahartma

      It’s a car crash!

  • gabbilevy

    She looks much better in the promos for the film, as I recall.

    • kmk05

      Definitely! She doesn’t have as much makeup on in them, though.

    • Anita Freiler Palmer

      Yes, her makeup in the films’ trailers is much more subtle. Not garish as pictured here….

    • AmeliaEve

      Agree. Better make up, and the light is warmer. I think it’s the pallor that does her in, here. Though that chartreuse dress is not going to flatter very many white people.

  • alyce1213

    So right. I thought her ‘look’ would be perfect for the period.
    She has that face — Maggie Gyllenhaal has it too — that you see in old photographs from the past (esp 1920s or ’30s). But how awful she looks here.

    The person who did this makeup isn’t the makeup artist on the film.
    So maybe she’ll look better moving around on a screen. And she can act. We’ll see . . .

    My expectations for this movie are not high. The gowns are fabulous.

    • marlie

      I haven’t been hearing great reviews of it either.

  • snarkykitten

    well the movie looks terrible so there’s that

  • BrooklynBomber

    Well, her posture goes perfectly with the expression on her face. It just cries out for captions.

    • Snailstsichr

      At first glance I thought it was Michelle Dockery – then I decided the model was pissed that she missed the role of Lady Mary and was reduced to wearing period garments. That’s my imaginary story as I can’t figure out why else she would have such a crabby pose.

      • BrooklynBomber

        I can go with that.

    • Jaye Brown

      It’s like she’s sad that she’s wearing that dress. It’s not that bad, cheer up lady.

  • kmk05

    Ooooh, this is bad makeup. I thought she could handle it but it seems to just overwhelm her features. Maybe with a dark lip instead of the fiery red? Or just a lot less eye-makeup?

  • marlie

    The makeup in the first picture is horribly unflattering. The 20s style isn’t her thing; I think she’d look much better in a cleaner, more mod 60s look.

    And the model in the Nina Ricci looks like she dislikes that dress as much as I do (seriously, HORRIBLE styling).

  • marlie

    Yeah, HORRIBLE photo. Also, why have the purse cover the dress. You can’t even see what’s going on with it. Or maybe that was done on purpose…

    • Eric Stott

      That seems to be a current thing – shoot the magazine picture so the dress is mostly hidden – if the skirt is great feature the shoulders, if the front is stunning shoot it from the back.

  • marlie

    Yes, I love the gown itself, it’s just not for her.

  • Pants_are_a_must

    It’s the terrible, horrible, no-good make up. And the dress on the cover is in a color that could never flatter her.

  • ringthing

    She looks like a particularly well-heeled caricature of a gypsy fortune teller in the cover photo.

  • AndresB

    Are they kidding – this was the best shot they got? Vogue must be out of their minds, and so must Testino.
    Can’t decide whether the cover looks like she’s going to cry any minute, or having to run to the bathroom any second, or just thinking of what a bomb ‘Gatsby’ will be next month.
    The boobs can’t wait to run away from the shoot either – in opposite directions.

  • lobsterlen

    This is a bad omen for the movie. I fear another Great Gatsby movie flop.

  • Rand Ortega

    OMG. Will this freakin’ movie hurry up & come out already. It was made nearly 3 years ago. 3D? Really? CM’s hair is bad enough in 2D. I see this ending in tears.

    • Sarah

      What for do you need Gatsby in 3-D?!? I mean, there’s just no reason for it. I swear, they go overboard with that crap.

      • random_poster

        Exactly. Save the 3D for the action flicks.

      • Frank_821

        It’s a Baz Lurhman film y’know. he needs spectacle

  • Imasewsure

    Cover shot: Dowager Carrie.

  •árez/100002964685796 Josefina Madariaga Suárez

    The color of the dress and her makeup in the cover look awful against her skin, and it’s a big part of why the picture is so bad. Well, that and the lightning and the fact that her face’s all: “Really? You think I look good in these colors? Well, you already paid me, so do as you wish.”

  • MilaXX

    She is filling that Nina Ricci out much better than the mopey model. At this point I almost feel bad for DiCaprio. He keeps doing these heavily costumed pieces where he pretty much nails the character, everyone talks Oscar noms and then nothing. Then I remember he is insanely wealthy and I regain my senses.

    • Rand Ortega

      But your sentiment is lovely.

    • Meg0GayGuys6

      Yea, the Nina Ricci shot is my favorite… much better than the model. If Leo needs a shoulder to cry on, I’ll be here… in my cubicle in Florida… waiting…

  • emel yazilitas

    i am not from the Us so excuse my grammar.
    I just don’t get

    Anna Wintour has states she does re-shoots if photos are not up too her
    standard. So why are these pictures on the cover. These people live,breath for fashion too a point where i something think they crazy .Whats wrong whit these people. Are the blind or have they given up.

    The so predictable,so boring .O she is in 20 movie let put here in 20
    clothes as if their is anything original about that I men come on. They have the best team in the world . They have everything handed too them al they have to the is find a good concept and execute it too

    This is Vogue . Not some second rate magazine in the back. The covers the last few years i am sorry where not good. Maybe they should hire models and not actress. Frankly i just don’t get is. Okey now i am done whit my rant.

    • Sobaika

      Yes, very predictable. I’m really tired of how Vogue will now always shoot actresses in character whenever they have a big film opening.

    • makeityourself

      Yes. There is a reason for the expression “Cover Girl.” They should have shot Stella Tennant in this same getup and it would have been fab.

      Well, let me correct that. The styling on the jewelry is odd. Carrie is wearing two Deco-era what-used-to-be-called “slave bracelets” of pearls and diamonds. This is overkill. It draws your eye away from her face and straight down to the center of the page. I’ve worked in the estate jewelry business for many years and never have I seen a woman wear two of these at once. A great pair of Verdura cuffs — yes. This — no. And, it is highly suspicious that a pair of these would be available at one time from one jeweler in the estate market. It’s not impossible, but highly improbable. I think they took multiple shots and photoshopped one of her arms back into place. Either way, I think it’s wayyyy too much.

      • pippitypup

        Or, you know, the costumers made them. They’re not hard to make.

        • makeityourself

          I didn’t even think of that! Duh. I’ll have to check out the cover credits when my issue arrives.

      • emel yazilitas

        i am not per se saying its the fault of the actress .Because lets face it the styling and make up is wrong. i am saying they have al these resourses why not use a little bit better .

  • hughman

    I so want a designer couture tin-foil hat now.

  • MikeW_Vegas

    I also love the second shot.

  • Tatiana Luján

    I don’t think she can’t take well that amount of makeup. I just think this isn’t very good makeup.

  • imspinningaround

    That face is not good for her because that is her face. Permanent stink-face.

  • JaCory Deon

    She looks very uncomfortable on the cover and those colors are swallowing her. The dresses in the spread are quite pretty but just proves, she’s not a model at all (not a bad thing but proves there’s a difference).

  • Jangle57

    I saw previews for it in the theatre; I vote for train wreck as well. Also wonder who Carey Mulligan ticked off at Vogue that they would pick such an ugly shot of her? I didn’t even recognize her at first….

  • Dorothy & Michael n/a

    First thing I thought when I saw it was “What did the photographer/art director say to her to make her look like that?!” Did they inject her with some deadly disease on Monday and then give her a call back on Thursday to take the pictures?! Her parents must be so proud….

  • pippitypup

    She looks like the little middle & high school kids you see in plays where they’re dressed up as adults but aren’t really there yet. The clothes are on her, they’ve been carefully crafted to fit, but she doesn’t have the presence or the ability to wear them properly. To her they’re just costumes, whereas to Daisy they should simply be clothes.

  • 1964edithgrove

    At least they did not photo-shop her some big boobs — something they are fully capable of doing.

  • Sara Padilla

    That shade of chartreuse is Good For No One.

  • Christine Hart

    The makeup in these pictures is MUCH darker than in the previews for the movie.

  • Martha Jones

    TLO, don’t worry Carey looks SO MUCH BETTER in The Great Gatsby than in these photos. She looks like her makeup was applied by industrial painter coming off a bender.

  • kimmeister

    The second photo would’ve been a good time to deploy Photoshop to take out the booty wrinkles!

  • Frank_821

    First I have to say that color looks horrid on her. and the hat is all wrong

    I love Carey as an actress but I just don’t know about the film. I have yet to see a satisfying adaptation of Gatsby. Part of the problem has always been the casting of Daisy. She’s an extremely difficult part to cast-to be so shallow and captivating. to have a stunning allure that is fragile and withers quickly with time

  • thecitysleeps

    I think she looks cute.

  • Historiana

    I absolutely love the gowns. Perhaps I’m being picky and not getting the point of the shoot but those are not 1920s silhouettes. Those are decidedly 1930s lines. Where are the dropped waists and mid-calf skirts? Or are they just thumbing their noses at Fitzgerald and setting the movie whenever they want? It IS Baz Luhrman.

    • Chartreusite

      I was wondering. They seemed way too fitted and tight but then I was wondering if I was just comparing them to flapper silhouettes and perhaps 1920s silhouettes were a lot more varied than I imagined.

    • Chartreusite

      I was wondering. They seemed way too fitted and tight but then I was wondering if I was just comparing them to flapper silhouettes and perhaps 1920s silhouettes were a lot more varied than I imagined.

  • JanieS

    She looks a lot better in the previews for the actual movie. Better makeup, for one thing. Also some super-cute headscarfs.

  • Sara Munoz Munoz

    “The movie event of the year.” My ass. It looks awful. But really I’m not a Baz Luhrman fan.

  • MsOlympia

    If ever there was a role Kirsten Dunst was meant to play…

    • H2olovngrl

      Having seen Cat’s Meow, YES!

    • Carolyn Wilson


  • judybrowni


    The Curse of The Great Gatsby Movie strikes again?

    Is this The Book That Cannot Be Filmed?

    Daisy is supposed to be a beauty, if a Nice Girl, why has she again been cast as a gamine? (Although I love Mulligan and Mia, both seem miscast as Daisy.)

    I hold out hopes Luhrman is able to lift the curse, but am left to wonder: is that why the release has been pushed back to May, a time of pre-block buster releases.

    • forward_slash_PRS

      But Mia wins the magazine cover photo contest — Google People magazine first issue cover.

    • rottenkitty

      Daisy is a beauty, but she’s also a careless person. Both in her affections and her actions. There’s a carelessness about Daisy and her husband and it ends up killing people. Fitzgerald once said, “The rich aren’t like you and me.” I’d argue that Gatsby is as naked an explanation of that statement and of class in America as anything ever written.

  • thelovelydove

    These pictures don’t do her justice–she’s a gorgeous woman.

    I’m not feeling the Oscar de La Renta…That chartreuse color isn’t flattering at all on her skin tone (or the model’s.) Maybe it would look nice on a woman with an olive skin tone.

  • stubbornthoughts

    The cover photo is bad, but in her defense, she looks phenomenal in the movie trailer.

    The model in that Nina Ricci should be fired and probably sent to rehab.

  • stubbornthoughts

    The cover photo is bad, but in her defense, she looks phenomenal in the movie trailer.

    The model in that Nina Ricci should be fired and probably sent to rehab.

  • melissaisasnob

    Often, she photographs like she is about to cry.

  • SophieCollier

    From the photos of the movie I’ve seen, she doesn’t look her best in this, but then again, I think everyone looks kind of bad in the promo photos. Bad costuming, bad hair and makeup.

  • SophieCollier

    From the photos of the movie I’ve seen, she doesn’t look her best in this, but then again, I think everyone looks kind of bad in the promo photos. Bad costuming, bad hair and makeup.

  • Dora K.

    I kind of hated the novel, so if the movie is a bad adaptation I might… like it a little? I don’t know. I feel like I might watch it out of spite.

    • guest2visits

      Gotta say; I’m one of those few who didn’t like much. It didn’t move me and the Redford/Farrow
      movie didn’t either. The story should have been involved and meaty… but it was cold and dry, to me.
      Maybe if I read it as an adult instead of a student, I would have gotten more out of it.

      • Alexis

        I wonder if most of us who hate/don’t like Gatsby do so due to having read it in school. I can’t stand the book, despise it with the fire of a thousand suns, but I also cannot remember the story at all. I remember a million instances of yellow, Gatsby mansion and house, the accident, etc. However, for all those details, I have no idea what happens in the story.

        Anyway, I’m definitely seeing this at some point when it hits Netflix, but I don’t feel like wasting money. Luhrmann always puts on a lavish show, but I am rarely as impressed by the storytelling. Still, DiCaprio is always worth watching, and Carey M seems like she can nail the ephemeral ingenue quality Daisy has.

        • fursa_saida

          I read it during high scholl, but not as an assignment, and I still was completely indifferent (whereas being made to read A Wrinkle In Time in elementary school made me hate it, and I LOVED many other books I read for high school). I just didn’t care and still don’t. Gonna see it for Baz and for the Jay-Z produced soundtrack.

          • guest2visits

            I think indifferent is the perfect word for Gatsby; it may be that was how Fitzgerald wrote it, to help
            convey the stale decadence of his characters. – Still couldn’t get into it though.

        • guest2visits

          I’ll see it because of DiCaprio.
          You know, I never thought about it before – but now that you brought it up; most of the books I didn’t
          like back then were school-listed. It’s a damn good thing I was always reading something else
          at the same time, or I could have been one of those people that never reads anything.
          I hated the Daisy character in the book so much, but Carey just might make her something bearable.

      • Dora K.

        I did read it as an adult (I’m Israeli, and we didn’t read it in high school). Still don’t feel I’ve gotten anything out of it. I understand it captured the spirit of the time and the place for people, but to me, here, now, it’s just watching a dull, affected writer make love to himself.

        • guest2visits

          You’re right – I remember I felt nothing but irritation for the characters; and couldn’t wait to finish the
          book. Which worried me as a sophomore/junior(?) because I think it was the first book I read that
          disappointed me so much, and being an avid reader I was afraid that it might start a trend.
          Nowadays I can weather being displeased by a book much better. :)

    • MissAmynae

      I’m watching for the costumes, and for Baz.

      hated that book with the fire of 6 suns.

    • Sarah Adams

      Me too! I disliked the novel so much I accidentally memorized the last line of the book. It stuck in my mind as as the summation of the book’s dull, preachy, slow paced pretentiousness. It’s still there now, taking up brain space I need for finding my keys.

  • MoHub

    I hope that’s not her Gatsby makeup, ’cause it’s totally wrong.

  • MoHub

    I hope that’s not her Gatsby makeup, ’cause it’s totally wrong.

  • Chartreusite

    Did several people say chartreuse? 😀 (Agreed though, does not flatter this gal that well)

  • Chartreusite

    Did several people say chartreuse? 😀 (Agreed though, does not flatter this gal that well)

  • pop_top

    That Nina Ricci is what my dreams are made of. She is werqing it in that photo.

    • Kathleen Gillies

      It’s kind of an evil queen dress.

  • Leslie Huang

    If I may be frank, the silhouettes of these dresses are very 30s, especially the first one.

  • Leslie Huang

    If I may be frank, the silhouettes of these dresses are very 30s, especially the first one.

  • Carolyn Wilson

    I think the sets and costumes will be great as Catherine Martin is very talented. The direction however is not something I’m looking forward to.

  • Pamela Hunt

    The first picture looks like a young Debbie Reynolds.

  • guest2visits

    I thought this worked well for her…. if not for the harsh red lip-color (prefer shade of pink or berry) the cover would be
    very beautiful. Love the second and third shots too.

  • jetpackdino

    TLo, you are completely utterly and incandescently wrong about this dress. It is beautiful. It IS. Beautiful. You shut your whore mouths.

    The hat is ugly though.

  • Sarah Caponigro

    What is that on her head on the cover.

  • Eovaai

    She looks horrendously uncomfortable.

  • Jeff Warhurst

    La Cage aux Folles

  • Anniebet

    Little girl playing dress up, IMO. Like the green dress. The Nina Ricci model looks like she’s waiting for her mug shot.

  • Trisha26

    From what I’ve seen the film makeup is much more subdued, especially the lip, eyes are neutrals. I’m not crazy about Luhrmann’s film style, he throws so much stuff on screen the story is lost in spectacle – and this will be in 3D. Sigh.

  • quiltrx

    That Nina Ricci is just incredible!
    And as for the movie–I love the novel, and I like Baz for what he is (and isn’t). I am expecting a lavish, gorgeous, interesting mess. And I can’t wait.

  • Fatima Siddique

    She looks way better in stills of the movie that I’ve seen. Vogue really flubbed this one. My goodness.

  • clairellis

    She looks bad. The second dress looks great, but I’m afraid thats bc I can’t see her face.
    I think that I could be alone in this, but I LOVED The Great Gastby. Not a huge fan of the rest of Fitzgerald but I did love Gatsby. Which means I’ll hate the movie with the burning fire of a thousand suns. Much like the rest of you hate the book, haha!

  • Apocalipstick Now Redux

    I adored Gatsby, the book, but was so so on the first movie. Fitzgerald is just amazing with words. Carey Mulligan isn’t bringing out the fragility of Daisy Buchanan. She looks like a little girl playing in her mom’s makeup. The dresses are stunning.

  • Mariah W Grimm

    I think she looks very 20s. What was considered attractive then doesn’t look attractive now. My folks have a couple of hat busts from the time and, but for her having a somewhat weaker chin than those square-jawed beauties, she otherwise would fit right among them.

  • Susan Collier

    Wow. I much prefer how the gals are dolled up on Boardwalk Empire. They seem to embody the time, spirit and fashions more than this cover. Looks Halloween costumeish, although more expensive than Party City.

  • CatherineRhodes

    She looks like a little old lady. Unflattering as hell.

  • lalahartma

    True dat, boys.

  • docholly

    I’m thinking how stunning Mia Farrow would have been ..