PR S11E3: Balls to the Wall

Posted on February 01, 2013

We fear we may be heading into Unpopular Land, judging by the online reactions last night, but we didn’t hate this episode. Not even close. Sure, it wasn’t the most exciting episode in the world (or even exciting at all, more’s the pity), but it struck us last night that

  1. The challenge was design-based, not style-based. For a LONG time we’ve been asking for the show to return to the former (reminder: the postal challenge in season 1, the Barbie challenge in Season 2) and stop relying so much on the latter (“Make a pretty dress for Heidi!” “Make a pretty dress for Nina!”).
  2. They spent a great deal of time showing the designers executing their work and encountering obstacles, i.e., the design process. This, again, is something we’ve been asking for.
  3. They spent a great deal of time on the crit process as well. Tim is more of a facilitator than an actual mentor, but he moderates the group crits effectively and it makes a nice change from simply having him come in, raise and eyebrow, say “I’m concerned,” and leave.


So in a formal sense, the show worked quite well last night. In a practical sense, it was, as we said, kinda dull, though. Sure, it was a design-based challenge and that’s good, but when the judges all wind up ejaculating over a freaking skort, then you know the challenge went wrong somewhere in the planning stage. Spin, from what we can tell (because you’ll never find us inside a ping pong nightclub) dresses its employees in standard casual wear. This really didn’t give the designers much room to do anything of interest and an inordinate amount of the design process centered around how to make t-shirts, jeans, and little black dresses interesting. You can’t help but have a dull result with a setup like that.

Worse, the judges all seem, we’re sorry to say, pretty worn out and tired. Nina has to be prodded into saying anything and Heidi’s gone all manic on us, trying to keep the energy level on the panel up, in the absence of its most energetic member, Michael Kors. Interestingly, the judges have so far not made a decision or comment that made us roll our eyes or accuse them of smoking crack. Sure, we’ve disagreed, but for the most part, the judging has been even-keeled.



Daniel and Layana

Se congrats, Layana! A SKORT! Exciting.

We think this is fine, if unworthy of the hosannas tossed its way. The lapels are kinda goofy, to be honest. Still, not a bad effort. It was nice of Daniel to push Layana to get the win.



Design-wise, it’s interesting, but could you imagine having to wear this to work every day? Talk about a bunch of depressed waitresses.


Samantha and Tu

Just okay. Not particularly well executed. And a bit severe, considering the venue.



Dropped crotch pants! The most astonishing design invention since the skort!

Again: just okay. He looks good, but we thought the shirt looked a bit Star-Trek-y. When you get right down to it, the designers had almost no leeway at all to do anything interesting. They pretty much had to make a t-shirt and black pants to make the judges happy.



Clever that it was made out of swimsuit material, but utterly unworthy of discussion otherwise.


Benjamin and Matthew

This was a real shame. We thought the idea of making denim kilts for the “ball boys” was clever as hell. Unfortunately, that kilt is a bit too literal and overdone, and the sign hanging over his crotch is just dumb. We got really annoyed when the judges all acted like this was some insanely cutting edge idea and that it was way too crazy for a ping pong club, which you would have thought was a Daughters of the American Revolution hall the way the judges were fanning themselves over it. Susan kept talking about what “the guys” would and wouldn’t wear and all we could think was, “Don’t they work for you? And what happens when one of “the girls” doesn’t want to wear a short skirt? Oh, and one more thing: ‘BALLS ARE MY BUSINESS’ IS YOUR SLOGAN. WHY ARE YOU ACTING SO OFFENDED BY IT?”


Benjamin and Cindy

Sad. Morticia knows how to sew, but she has no real design chops, so far as we can see. This is a fine jacket, but it’s not very interesting and it’s kind of formal and dour for the venue. The shorts are a big ol’ nothing.


Joseph and Richard

It’s fine, but that slogan is really dumb.


Kate and Patricia

Yoga class. Too covered up for a venue that clearly wants its employees to look cute. Plus that top is an ugly color.



Perfectly fine for a beach – a beach where everyone wears their clothes crookedly – but bad for a server. James was weird and defensive the whole time, so we’re kind of happy to see him go. Shocked he was sent home before Cindy, though. Then again, she’s not long for this world, is she?


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    Being a kilt wearing guy, I LOVED the kilt idea and thought it would really be a cool statement and definitley set the employees apart visually from most of the customers.  And, most guys would find that kilts are insanely comfortable and sexy once you get them on.  And yeah, it IS the logo THEY chose, what’s the issue there?

    •  You KNOW I’m right there with you.  Though I do understand that for the majority of guys, the kilt thing would be a tough transition.  The logo placement was really too much, though.

      • Stubenville

        So offer a kilt and casual pants to the employees. Then see how many guys switch to the kilt when they see it’s a tip magnet.

        •  True facts!  Most wise uniform sets have a couple of options to chose from since body type and tastes vary so much.

          •  Easily one of my happiest work moments ever was when the hotel I worked at in college went to a navy blue pantsuit that we could wear any appropriate top we wanted under it!  (Of course, that could have been because our old ones were horrifying — leisure suit-esque polyester, it was a navy short sleeved boxy top with giant gold buttons and a crewish neck — the term escapes me at the moment — and a midcalf length sheath skirt with no shape at all.  I still have nightmares where I wake up reflexively scratching… I have a skin allergy to ugly.)

        • 3boysful

           I liked the kilt (but not the tank).  I still remember the hot barman near Loch Lomond who wore a kilt and tight white tee.

          • Melvis Velour

            Hmmm…his name wasn’t Angus was it?

        • StillGary

          I am not a kilt-wearing guy, I am Midwestern mom — if we were a color wheel, I would probably on be on your 6 o’clock. But I totally agree this was fun, stylish and clever. BALLS!

          • RedRaven617

            I thought the kilt should have had the win. Different and probably very comfy for the men. A short sleeve t-shirt would have been better. In a restaurant I don’t want to see underarms, men or women’s to be honest.

          • ecallaw1977

            I did too.  Up until the judgment segment I figured SPiN was edgier than it obviously turned out to be.

          • Derek_anny

             I have a feeling SPiN is edgier than the producers turn out to be.  Though I think what killed the kilt was the bad sporran.

        • DinahR

          I should have read this before I posted my comment, sorry!  I agree so much.  Kilt = tip magnet.  

          • SublimatedRage

            Who doesn’t love a hot man wearing a kilt!  That was totally lost on Sarandon……

          • annieanne

            But the key is “hot man”. I’m sure most of her staff falls on the pretty side of things, but a guy’s gotta have good legs to rock a kilt.

          • Alyssa

            Based on that criteria, my husband would rock a kilt! I know have a new goal for 2013!

        • Celandine1

          Exactly what I thought last night! Also ditch the logo and tank, switch to the white and black tee and that would be the best uniform out of the bunch. 

          • David Cannon

            I agree 100%. That tee was delish, and with the sporran removed from that kilt, it would have been marvelous.

            My wife and I were in disagreement – I thought the kilt model was the hotter male, and she was swayed by the blonde with the abs sporting Joseph and Richard’s look. Chacun a son gout, je pense…

        • Elaine Lang

           No kidding — I know many, MANY straight women (from their 20s to their 50s) who think that kilts are just about the sexiest thing ever…

        •  I really liked the kilt, but I was wondering, especially in a venues where they may have to be bending over to pick up balls, if that outfit would be setting the servers up for some fairly constant on the job harassment. I have seen sober and reasonable people get pretty handsy with men in kilts, let alone drunk people in a bar. I think you’d have to giver servers a choice, to they can balance the desire to get good tips with their tolerance for “ball checks”.

      • ecallaw1977

        Kiltdntiltd, I don’t think there was a Bitter Kitten in the land that didn’t think of you when they started going in this direction.  Made me smile.

        • I have to admit I feel a trifle humbled by such a thought. Thanks so much.

          • David Cannon

            Hi there, loooong time lurker here, and I just want to add my +1 to this sentiment!

          •  Hey David,   Thanks so much for coming out of hiding to say so! I’m flattered. Always a pleasure too, to meet another BK.

      • sk8tfan

        This is New York, fashion capital of the universe. I’m not sure the kilt would be a hard sell. Now if it were Wyoming I might see the difficulty. I thought it was a cute idea with poor execution.

        • Sara LaBatt

          Also in Los Angeles, Milwaukee, and Toronto, according to the internet.  

    • disqus_tPj4U7IDSs

      If guys knew how comfortable skirts were, they’d all be wearing kilts! I was really disappointed in Susan Sarandon last night: “My guys won’t wear kilts.” There was a big whiff of homophobia in that comment that really turned me off.

      • ecallaw1977

        From Susan Sarandon?  I don’t think so. There may be a whiff of homophobia from her employees if they are too insecure to wear kilts, but based upon her public persona I highly doubt Susan Sarandon has a homophobic bone in her body.

        •  I don’t think not wanting to wear a kilt has anything to do with homophobia.  It may not have anything to do with insecurity.  I mean, we don’t assume that a woman who doesn’t wear skirts is gay (because she’s not feminine enough to wear a skirt) or that she’s insecure (she must hate her body so she doesn’t want to wear a skirt).  I can see some guys not wanting to wear a kilt merely because of personal preference; but I see as many women not wanting to wear the winning skirts.

        • DonnaL

           Not homophobia.  More like a whiff of transphobia, a fear of anything suggestive of “crossdressing” or of men not being manly.

        • pdquick

          Or maybe they saw the Utilikilt come and go about 15 years ago, or someone they know saw the Utilikilt come and go 15 years ago and told them the tale about how everybody thought it was interesting for about 10 minutes and then got over it.

    •  I live in the PacNW, and you see kilts on guys here fairly regularly. Guys who wear them love them. Put the ‘balls are my business’ think on the hip, or on the tshirt, and you’ve got something that people will be talking about.

    • rumcg66

      Guys are idiots to be so afraid of kilts. Every woman I know, without exception, loves a guy in a kilt. I thought that look rocked. What sucks is that even if they had liked it, they couldn’t give the win to someone on the losing team. That’s my main beef with the teams this season. 

    •  I heart kilts as well.  I have three, and since I have worn them on the streets of New Orleans from time-to-time, I can only assume that Matthew was inspired by ME; LOL.

      • TRSTL

        I finallybought my first kilt this past fall after coveting for years. I quickly expanded to a wardrobe of three as well and wear them out and about in St. Louis, MO. Not the usual midwestern attire, I assure you. I get many compliments and even had two women at our Art museum last month stop me to take my picture to show their husbands how “sexy a man in a kilt can look”. Their words but I don’t disagree……. LOL!

  • flamingjune


    •  Exactly – Amen!

    • Introspective

      seriously!!! all the fucking pearl clutching that was going on last nite about the *placement* of this slogan was nauseating when the slogan itself is clearly the more risqué element here… whatever.

      agree that the judging is totally more even keeled and dare i say on point at moments. so far the people who have gone home should have gone home. although its fairly early so all this can change.

      none of this changes my mind that the team format sucks though. because some of the clunkers on team keeping it real need to be addressed and get critique rather than being propped up by the winners. 

      lastly, a fucking SKORT???????? really? I cant even. in the words of the crunk feminists (check that website out- it’ll blow your mind), “i can only odd.”

      • Lisa_Cop

        There is still some cannon fodder to be auf’d, though in what order I’m not sure. But I’m betting Cindy Morticia goes next.

    • Kayceed

      That slogan is so crass. If you are going to be precious about it and pretend there is no double-entendre, pick another  slogan. Blech.

    • JosephLamour

      PS “My boys would never wear it.” YOURE THEIR BOSS. MAKE THEM. Honestly Susan Surrandon. (Insert having no balls joke here)

      • pdquick

         Even if it would set their “boys” free? (I’m not advocating it; see comment above, but I couldn’t resist the joke.)

      •  Not only that, but “My boys would never wear it?”  Seriously, what do you think would be said if we saw a male VP say “My girls would never wear it?” 

  • appliquer

    I actually really liked the kilt outfit. I agree with your assessment of the challenge – too bad they didn’t pick a venue that the designers could have really worked with to produce something interesting (and more colorful).

    • Introspective

      I second the liking of the kilt outfit. i saw way more design in it than some of the other stuff that the winning team trotted out…

    • MoHub

       Missed the show, so I didn’t see the outfits walk, but the kilt grabbed me immediately. I’d have given it the win.

      • David Cannon

        I *wanted* to give it the win, but despite the silly backpack/poleholder thing, the Joseph/Richard look was the clear winner to me.

        Am I crazy, or was there a bit of bias at play in granting the win to the womens’ look, despite the wonky collar? 

    • alinana

      Totally agree. I thought the kilt idea was clever and placement of the slogan amusing…I mean, what do you expect with a slogan like that? What surprised me was how uptight the judges were.

      • libraangel

        Yeah, when did Ms. Susan become Ms. Prissy?!

    • WhiteOprah

      I did too!  I kind of liked how with the ball retriever (Not sure of the technical term) he kind of looked like he could have been on a girls’ field hockey team.  🙂

      • MissAmynae

        yes! I thought of golf, too- because the game started in Scotland and stuff.  Would have been killer word-of-mouth advertising, too “Hey, have y’all checked out that new place where they have the hot guys in kilts?!” is soooo much more interesting than “hey, y’all wanna play some ping-pong?”

  • Laylalola

    I would like to see how well the winning design translated to real life, because I have my doubts — I think the dropped crotch pants probably should have won. 

  • They managed to cast this season without a single likable designer.

    • dress_up_doll

      I share your sentiment. I don’t know if I’m worn out over eleven seasons or it’s the whole team dynamic, but I’m not cheering for anyone. At all.

      • libraangel

        I only like Rainbow Patricia 

        • Tracy_Flick

          I do too! I thought she would be super annoying Princess Waterlily cannon fodder, but I loved her last dress. She’s quirky.

          • pdquick

            It’s getting a little annoying to see people pick up the “Princess Waterlily” meme. She’s a Native American designer who is doing interesting creative work. She was the only one in the first challenge who worked the material. In fact, she was the only to whom it seemed to occur to craft something new by hand and construct it into a non-literal design that nonetheless evoked the theme of the challenge. Could we maybe rest the stereotypes for a minute?

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        This early in the season there are so many design-testants that I can’t be bothered to care about any one in particular.

    • Cat mountain!! I love that guy. Not enough to know his name yet, but I’m keeping my eye on him.

      • Pam Winters

        He’s Joseph Aaron Segal, and he sells those crazy cat sweaters on Etsy. I’m rooting for him on PR. Daniel’s pretty sharp, too, and Patricia could bring in some great ideas.

    • PaulaBerman

      I like Daniel! He seems quirky and kind. Also, Joseph is cute and sweet, and seemed like a nice guy with good ideas. The others I don’t know well enough yet to say.

      • I like Mister Moustache too. He is always smiling and seems like he wants others to do well. Can he really be that nice the whole season?

        • PaulaBerman

          I can imagine him getting really emotional if he gets too stressed out. There is just something about him that seems really genuine to me. If he is faking being nice, he is doing a really good job of it so far.

          • pdquick

            I think I remember him from San Francisco about 25 years ago; he hasn’t mentioned ever living here, but he looks familiar. If he’s who I think he is, he’s tougher than you think.

          • PaulaBerman

            I hope so. I would love it if an older person won PRW. The oldest winner so far was Seth Aaron, who was 38. So count me on Team Daniel at this point, and I look forward to seeing him be tough and successful.

  • SapphoPoet

    Well, I can’t say that I’m inclined to watch this episode to see a bunch of dreary black and grey clothes march down the runway. Loved the kilt–I thought that was really inspired. 

    • alinana

      I agree with the color comment. What is with the total lack of color so far this season?

      • libraangel

        I just looked at at a photo on “the other site” (!)(On Josh’s blog!), and the server was showing something to the designers. They were wearing pink! While I understand black might be a more practical color for servers(?), that pink was a bright, fresh, young pop of color! (o.k.: maybe not pink, but couldn’t they have used an orange or something?!)

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      I’m with you about the color choices. Black and grey-how much more boring-or timid-could you get?

  • EveEve

    In what has to be one of the most boring episodes in recent memory, I was truly hoping that the contestants…er…designers would make better use of the logo (not the slogan) as an element in their design. I think Benjamin’s mesh tank was headed in the right direction with its swirling silver lines.  The little orange ball element could absolutely have been put to more use to give some of the otherwise generic garments a pop of interest.  I saw it show up in the back of one top.  How cute it would have been as the button, or as an applique on side inserts on Morticia’s jacket!

  • GorgeousThings

    I came in halfway through, so maybe I missed the most interesting parts. The second half of this episode was a total snooze. The judges are a complete snore this year. Hell, even Nina’s outfits are unworthy of Judging the Judges posts, nest-ce-pas? And widdle Zac Posen? He may be trying to not be MK, but hell, at least give us some personality!

  • formerlyAnon

    All I can say (having waited tables) is that a skort is a godsend compared to wearing a skirt, especially in an establishment that serves alcohol. 

    • Karen Maslowski

       I thought the skort with the pockets for order pad, pen and tip money was genius. Having worked in a restaurant, and knowing how dorky alternatives look, and how important it is to have your hands free, it was a functional, clever garment.

    • Sweetvegan

      Yes! When you’re bending over to clean up a spill, or pick up dropped silverware, a short skirt is dangerous!

    • BuffaloBarbara

      That was the problem with the kilt.  Not that it was too daring, but that the ball boy has to bend over a lot, and a bunch of drunk ping-pong players would use their paddles to lift it.

      • 3boysful

         Compression shorts underneath.  (I’ve never learned what Scots REALLY wear underneath their kilts!)

        • Pennymac

          Nothing. Traditionally, “naught what God gave em.” (Last name starts with an Mc. *wink*)

      • formerlyAnon

         I liked the kilt A LOT, but I did think the “Oh HO, finally we find out what a Scotsman wears under his kilt” jokes would get really, really tiresome. Some nights, the tips would hardly be enough.

        • SheridanBucket

          Speaking as a gay man.   I’ve rocked a kilt on many occasions.   They’re great as bar wear and it never fails to attract both wanted and uninvited attention.   Being 6’1,  with a muscular build probably helps.   But I can say from personal experience,   everyone wants to know what you’re wearing under your kilt (always boxers). 

      • alinana

        And this would be a bad thing because….?

        • BuffaloBarbara

          Maybe not from the customer’s point of view, but how annoying would that be as an employee?

  • Okay, I know I’m going to be the only person to say this today but… I love the ping pong club thing.  My husband doesn’t drink — ever, at all, he’d end up in a coma — so he’s not a huge fan of clubs and bars.  Being under 30 that’s where our friends go.  But he does like ping pong, so to me, this is possibly the perfect idea. 

    But BALLS ARE OUR BUSINESS is a god-awful slogan, and I question the idea that anyone who would choose to incorporate it (unless they absolutely had to) has any hope of being the next American fashion designer since they clearly lack the ability to tell it’s a terrible slogan and to be avoided at all costs. 

    Not impressed with the uniform designs.

    • In_Stitches

       You’re definitely not the only one!  I have quite a few friends who don’t drink and there’s only so many times we can get dimsum and then go to the movies.

      •  It does make for really funny drinking games, however.  None of our friends are the exclusionary type, so my husband frequently ends up playing drinking games with Sprite instead of shots or beer.  It’s hilarious watching the guys try to figure out why he keeps winning — because his reflexes and coordination are still intact, you morons!

        • Lilithcat

          The other guys should get Dr. Johnny Fever on their team!

    • WhiteOprah

      I thought it was a good idea, too.  Although when they showed promo shots of the club the ping pong games seemed very serious and competitive and therefore would suck the fun out of it.  

      • Oh, I don’t know — it’d be like a bar with a pool league or a dart league.  Those league games are often serious, and fun for those competing, while the rest of the time, it’s just casual patrons playing for fun.

  • Kayceed

    I remember the Post Office episode well – it was interesting to see the designers clothe these folks who have a quite inspiring mission behind their work, iconic really. To design employee uniforms for a ping pong social club owned by a celebrity seems petty in the extreme. The results were pretty dreary.

    • Celandine1

      I also liked the Olympic uniform challenge, plus it was colorful.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        I’m chuckling as I remember Jerrell’s completely daffy design for the Olympics challenge.

        • formerlyAnon

           Aaahh Jerell! I still mourn what I see as your inability to dress your PR models as well as you dressed yourself! (Admit it – even if you didn’t like his style, he had one.)

      • pdquick

         Korto’s design would have been infinitely better than what actually happened.

  • I also enjoyed this episode (which is painful to admit, given that I steadfastly refused to watch S10 and caved almost instantly this year). It’s refreshing to be able to appraise the designers’ work on whether or not it met the brief, as opposed to whether or not the results were pretty. Dream Team may have been spoiled by multiple seasons concentrating heavily on the latter, because just about none of their work looked appropriate or practical. Or pretty, for that matter.

    • pdquick

      I have too, but only in gay bars. And I always think, “Honey, it’s been done.”

  • Mkay, So, Dream team players?  A word in your ears.  You have now had 2 members auffed who both staunchly refused to play well with others.  Sensing a pattern here?  Plus, ignoring both Patricia’s desire to be included in a more substantive way, and Cindy’s feeling of being overly managed, means you are not, in fact a team.  This is your next challenge. 

    • Stubenville

      I wonder how much of this is due to Max Headroom declaring he’s in charge?

      •  First of all, Stubenville,  MAX HEADROOM!!!!!  So right on!  I love it.   I was saddened that in the runway critique when he spoke, he did not take responsibility for being instrumental in the team’s failure. he focused solely on losing his own vision, which was true.  Still, it was his consistent interference that skewed things for more than one person on his team.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          I do love the Max Headroom reference- a brilliant series.

      • 3boysful

         OK, that’s his nickname here so far as I am concerned.  Brilliant!

      • Celandine1

        Ok ROFL because that’s what I was calling him last night!

      • annrr

        Max Headroom! That is awesome. 

      • ecallaw1977

         I’m definitely not in this category, but out of curiosity, please raise your hand if you’re too young to know who Max Headroom is?

      • libraangel

        Yeah, but maybe they need to choose a team leader or something. They are such a mess, organizationally-wise!

    • flamingjune

      Also, maybe not choose a team name that makes you seem extra sad and pathetic when you lose?  I know no one expects to lose (twice) right out of the gate, but you’re bound to lose eventually…

    • ec

       Patricia is on Team Keeping it Real.

      •  you are so right!  Thanks for the heads up.

        • ec

           🙂 I really like her and I hope she isn’t the first casualty from KIR.

          • Though I’m certain they have no intention of allowing her to get to the final 3, I do hope she makes it a fair way through. She seems like a good, interesting woman, with a unique design point of view. It deserves to be seen.

          • libraangel

            Wonder if they feel this way because they are jealous of Patricia – they know she has the ability  to go through to the end?

  • If they think men wouldn’t wear kilts, they have clearly never been to a sci-fi fantasy convention.  It is practically part of the uniform at those things.  Guys = kilts Girls = corsets  

    •  Also, for any guys out there who think kilts aren’t cool, just ask women what they think of men in kilts.  I have lost track of how many times I have been stopped by a woman who told me they loved men in kilts and wished more men would wear them.

      • MilaXX

        I personally find men in kilts sexy, unless you look like Prince Philip.

        •  I love the way I look and feel in mine, and a day doesn’t go by with one or more people complimenting the look.

        • l_c_ann

          Once upon a time Prince Philip had the legs for it.  Now he gets a pass because he’s still alive.

          • formerlyAnon

             first legit LOL of the day

          • I second this motion, LOL.

        •  True Stewart males — possibly either spelling, but I can’t speak to that from personal experience — are not sexy in kilts.  I’m amazed that they didn’t manage to get it banned from Scotland altogether, actually.  Ugliest calves on the face of the earth and they haven’t changed in five hundred years!

      •  Kilts are sexy.  I agree with this statement 100%

        • 3boysful

           That’s two of us!

      • Yes! I remember seeing a whole wedding party at a bar (post-wedding) with the men in kilts. This was more than 10 years ago, and it still sticks in my memory! Also, I call bullshit on everyone saying that they’d never heard of skorts. I mean, I own one that I wear when I run, and I’m not exactly a cutting-edge fashionista.

        •  I tried so hard to convince my husband to wear a kilt for our wedding under the argument that it was my day and I’m Scottish so it’s only right.  He maintained that Chinese men should not wear kilts to their wedding.  I still pout.

          • Becky Simmons

            At my brother’s wedding, the men in the wedding party were in kilts. We had a lot of people from the bride’s side come up to us and say, “oh, I didn’t know you were Scottish!” “We’re not.” “Oh… Irish?” “No.” *awkward pause before parting ways*

        • Carrieanno

          My first trip to Edinborough, over 20 years ago.  Walked into the hotel on a cold, rainy October evening and there was a wedding party – including about half a dozen very good looking guys in kilts.  That memory makes me warm and fluttery to this day.

        • Sweetpea176

          My take was that maybe she’s too much of a fashionista to have ever heard of something as pedestrian as a skort.

          And count me in as thinking kilts on men are hot.  I wonder if many men’s objection to kilts has to do, possibly unconsciously, with how many of us women think they’re so hot.  I think quite a few men would be mortified to be ogled and hooted at and teased by women because of how they look, i.e., by how many men routinely treat women without a second thought about it.

          • Lisa_Cop

            Nina knew immediately what a skort was.

          • annyb

            My take was that she’s of an age (mine) where “culottes” meant the same thing as “skort”.

        • pdquick

           But a real traditional Scottish kilt, and a Utilikilt-inspired ballboy/busboy uniform are two very, very different things.

      • formerlyAnon

         YES. To be fair, if they came into common usage the allure might dim just a tad – that the wearer has the personality to choose to wear one is a part of their draw.

        But they’re very body-conscious and that’s sexy, if the fella realizes it.

      • AthenaJ

        My now fiancee and I first got together when he was wearing a kilt… they are truly aphrodisiacs!

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        Kiltd, my spouse was a member of the City of Alexandria Pipes and Drums for several years, and their uniform was(still is, for that matter) to die for.  Scarlet tunics with the kilt!  I remember watching a good friend of ours fending off the determined interest of a very assertive lady at one Scottish games.

    • AthenaJ

      Same for the Ren Faire!

    • Tracy_Flick

      I was actually wondering why kilts were so edgy. OMG KILTS AND SKORTS! It’s as if 1990 in Portland/Seattle and 1978 anywhere in America never happened.

  • lessax3

    All I could think was, you are concerned how your guys will feel wearing a kilt, but didn’t care that most of the girls designs were short, tight and with cleavage. I wanted to kiss Nina for pointing out that the male server outfit could work for the women servers too.

    I think Cindy is hampered by a couple things. She is older(automatically dings her to middle bottom) but she just finished design school, and we have seen that most kids straight out of design school on this show are stuck in their comfort zone. That zone being designing for themselves, works better if you are 20 and your zone is closer to what is currently trendy. Unfortunately Cindy’s zone is what works for her and she’s not 20.

    • Call me Bee

      That’s an interesting point.  I am CIndy’s age, and sometimes it’s tough to look at current fashion without the fog of the 30+ years since I was actually fashionable.  We were coming of age when ladies still dressed and wore gloves (!) when leaving the house–even to run to the grocery store they never would wear pants!  (think Laura Petrie…)  That’s a lot of pre-conceived notions of fashion and appropriate-ness to filter when trying to design on-trend clothing.

      • You get a like for the Laura Petrie reference.  She is one of my personal fashion icons and highly underrated.

      • libraangel

        Sorry, no offense, but I am a little older than Cindy, and I don’t remember my mom wearing gloves, and she did wear pants. Wasn’t this in the 1940’s?! Also, I am just as fashionable now as I was 30 years ago. The difference between Cindy and I is that she now thinks she is “old” and must dress in conservative polyesters.  I think she looks older than her 58 years old ( maybe 65-68). I certainly don’t advocate dressing inappropriately for your years ( no crop tops or leggings!),but I think you can still be stylish at any age. Cindy’s aesthetic seems to be based on the 70+ age group.

        • Call me Bee

          Actually I was talking about the early 60s when I was a kid.  At that time, the women I knew never wore slacks out in public.  Not until well into the 70s.  BYMMV…
          I also feel just as stylish as I was in my 20s, but in the eyes of society, whether we like it or not, once we’re over 50 we become invisible to those younger.  It simply doesn’t matter if we’re fashionable or not. 
          I do agree about Cindy in that she looks and dresses very conservatively…though considering her profession, one can see why.  She’s been wearing dark suits for her entire career.   However, in the “Road to Runway” show we saw some of her portfolio, and it was very interesting and fashion forward.  I just hope she gets outta this schlump and starts doing some  real designing. 

          •  My grandmother did, but my grandmother was a divorcee who spent her entire life working outside the home, so she was definitely not the norm for white women in early ’60s.  But my mother talked about not being able to wear pants and having to wear gloves.  It may have depended some on location.

          • libraangel

            Guess New York state is more liberal?

          • libraangel

            I started college in 1968, but girdles and hose? I already was wearing panty hose in high school and my bell-bottoms my freshmen year of college. Because I was an art student in New York? (My mom wore girdles – never me!!!)

          •  My mother graduated from high school in ’66, and when I bought a garter belt, she was appalled because she remembered wearing them and how miserable they were (I had to explain the vast differences in old school belts and those made now) — in my family, girdles were not worn from at least the 1930’s on, because my great grandmother despised them (she was a large woman and said all they did was push fat up or down, not helping anything), but they were still very much present at the time in large parts of the country.

          •  Than middle of nowhere Illinois/Missouri?  Um, yeah… just a bit… 😀

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            I started college in the fall of 1968 and the upperclasswomen in my dorm told me and my fellow froshes that we were so lucky because the university had just decided that women would no longer have to dress for Sunday dinner in the dining hall.  I arrived for that year witha wardrobe of dresses and skirts, and girdles and hose. Fast forward to the fall of 1969 and

        • Sweetbetty

           “I certainly don’t advocate dressing inappropriately for your years ( no crop tops or leggings!)”                                                                                                                                                   Gotta disagree on the leggings.  I’m 64, short, and rotund, but my legs are still pretty good.  I wear leggings with tops that reach my hips and they give me a much sleeker look than typical jeans or pants.

    • formerlyAnon

       “liked” for the excellent analysis about Cindy. I actually thought the server uniforms were on the conservative side for a bar/club. Trending closer to a family restaurant that *has* a bar.

      (Maybe I have hung out in too many sketchy places in my time?)

  • SugarSnap108

    Agree with you almost all the way.  I didn’t hate the episode, but it wasn’t the most thought-out challenge, was it?  Almost no room for creativity — But then the famous postal challenge didn’t offer much, either, and I think they pulled that off better.

    I’m not at all surprised, though, that James went home before Cindy.  At least she can construct a garment.

    And the “Balls are My Business” slogan isn’t offensive. It’s just stupid as hell.

    • MilaXX

      I so loved Tim all but yelling at James to take that first shirt out back and burn it. WTH? It was purple !

    • 3boysful

       But no matter what the actual challenge, I think–perhaps because of adrenaline–the designers immediate thought is “What can I make that’s cute?” rather than “What parameters do I need to fill?”  So, they should have said
      1)  Is there a color theme?  Can we give them one (that’s NOT grey/black/depressing sludge)?
      2)  Associate words:  table tennis, maybe riff off of tennis clothes; nets, perhaps incorporate some netting
      3)  Work-related requirements – waitresses need to bend, customers don’t want to see hairy underarms, waitstaff want to look a little sexy to encourage tips, etc.

      The kilt and holster did the best with this.  The skort was cute, but not as orgasmic as the judges suggested.

      • SugarSnap108

        I’m not wild about the look, but I thought the other team’s ball boy look did best with this — I think they made something more functional than the kilt, but it still had some design (and a bit of sass) to it.  I did like the kilt idea, but I don’t think the finished product is aesthetically pleasing — Now, the guy underneath, however…..

      • annyb

        They had the opportunity to both interview their end users and do the work themselves. After that, designing stuff that looked uncomfortable or impractical (a swimwear LBD?) for the work those people had to do was pretty inexcusable.
        (In my business, we call this result “Windows 8”.)

    • VictoriaDiNardo

      The Post Office challenge offered more to work with – pants, shorts, skirts, tops, jackets, hats, backpacks, lots of options.  Also, if I remember correct, perhaps  – as usual – more time?

    • The postal challenge involved outerwear too, so there was a lot of room for interesting design elements.

      • SugarSnap108

        Ah, good point.  And also illustrates, I think, that this ping-pong club challenge was not a great idea relative to the challenges of yore.  Though maybe it could’ve worked better if Susan S. was more open to possibility, instead of taking the “My guys wouldn’t wear that” line.  It seemed she was opposed to whimsy, edginess, whatever … but also didn’t want anything higher-end than a T-shirt.  Eh.

      • And, to be fair, would these designers today know what to do with a wider-open challenge like that, AND two days to complete it.  Have we come to the point where the challenges meet the abilities of today’s contestants, or have the contestants dumbed down their designs for the boring challenges?

        • libraangel

          I think one day to execute their design is way too little time.

        • H3ff

          I noticed on a couple of occasions that a contestant mentioned the previous challenge as having taken place “yesterday” (i.e. the day before). 

          I guess they momentarily forgot the pretense that there is a week between each challenge.

  • Sweetvegan

    Sooooo funny when Heidi said that you don’t want your waitress to be hanging out with everything showing; you want to be the one with everything showing.
    And along those lines, what happened to the top in Samantha & Tu’s look? I think one of them said the zipper was too open, but was that an execution mistake or did someone unzip it too much?

    • It was a major fitting mistake.  The whole outfit was far too tight, which on a size two model, is a real feat.

    • EveEve

      She meant that the zipper was exposed when it was intended to be covered.  Because the garment was too tight, it tugged apart and exposed the zipper.

      • MoHub

         Call the media! An exposed zipper that wasn’t intentional!

        For the first time in Project Runway history!

        • formerlyAnon


    • formerlyAnon

       It’s interesting – is it part of the image of these establishments? – that there seemed an agreement that the staff’s dress should skew towards a family restaurant rather than a bar. 

      •  My guess is no, it’s part of the image of PR these days.  They want everything to be okay with the soccer moms — bad enough they were talking about a bar, best make it look more pub style.

        • formerlyAnon

           Never thought of that, but it sure is plausible.

          (Hi Shannon! Good to “see” you here in the comments.)

          •  Oh, I’ve been reading but haven’t had much time lately to comment.  But I’m always out there, watching, like Batman… 😀

  • Stubenville

    As I said last night, most of this crap made Aeroflot uniforms look fashion forward.

  • SugarSnap108

    Oh, and I’m surprised to say this, but I miss Michael Kors so hard.

    • formerlyAnon

       I’m not surprised. He turned himself into a bit of a quip machine over time, but there were a lot of episodes where I thought he was the best at talking to a designer about what was wrong and right with their garment. Especially from a practical, retail perspective. [Or at least, that was the way the judges’ comments were edited.]

      • SugarSnap108

        Yeah, I’d grown tired of his quip machinery … which is why I thought I might like a break from him.  Apparently not.  I agree that he often gave the best practical advice.  Plus, Zac seems shy about giving a strong opinion, which is a weird quality in a *judge.*

        • I’m not watching but maybe his “shyness” is actually muzzling.  Could he be loathe to make any comments that would later be seen as out of character, thus making the predeterminedness more obvious?  I wonder…

  • Kimbolina

    Why are some outfits by two designers?

    • Stubenville

      Too many designers, too few looks.

  • Stubenville

    And the answer was so damn simple – make utilitarian clothes, find a nice polka dot fabric (black and white if you must) and incorporate it into each look as a means of identifying the wearee as a Spin employee. Trim? Sleeves? Shirt? Pocket? Whatever. THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT.

    • Pretty much. The skort wasn’t a bad idea since waitresses have to be able to bend over to serve drinks without flashing their good china at table seven. Then find some sort of way to make it funky, done. I actually think the ping pong table shirt had potential.

    • EveEve

      This!  I was screaming this at the screen last night.  How hard could it be?  Use the freakin’ logo (not the slogan) and run with it – silver swirls .. orange circles/dots/balls!  Use them people!  Benjamin’s silver swirls on the open mesh tank top were a really good start, and could have won if he’d spent more time working on it instead of trying to be the self-anointed team leader.

  • DinaSews

    I’m a little disappointed that more of the screen printing wasn’t used but otherwise, I loved this episode.  I loved all the sewing and design process.  I loved the design based challenge.  It was a little return to the original seasons.

    • Stubenville

      I thought about that too, but they may only have had screens for the logo on hand and no way to make anything new. And an hour or two of drying time could be a major handicap.

  • “And what happens when one of “the girls” doesn’t want to wear a short skirt”

    I was screaming this at my TV last night! 

    • alyce1213

      They’d have to make a longer version, wouldn’t they?  I’d hope that Susan Sarandon wouldn’t force female employees to expose more than they’re comfortable with, whether it’s for figure considerations, or whatever reason.  Some women, even young ones, just don’t want to wear a garment that short.  I’m surprised that issue wasn’t raised during the judging.

      • MoHub

         Think Hooters.

        • alyce1213

          Sure, but Hooters is not owned by Susan Sarandon, who is considered “politically correct” and should be more sensitive to women’s concerns than the slugs who run Hooters.

          • MoHub


            However, in the Undercover Boss episode featuring the Hooters CEO, he was shocked that people found the concept offensive and said they wouldn’t want their daughters working there.

          • formerlyAnon


          • alyce1213

            He was shocked?  It just astounds me how clueless some people are.  I missed that Undercover Boss episode.  I’ve watched a few times. It’s an interesting show, I usually end of weeping a little bit at the end. 

          • WhiteOprah

            I saw that episode.  Yeah- a restaurant named for slang word for boobs that only hires cute young women and has them wear extremely tight and skimpy uniforms (Not to mention hideously ugly).  Their entire schtick is based on gross men ogling- if they didn’t, no one would go there.  He said he wouldn’t mind his daughters working there?  Please

          • bitchybitchybitchy

            I would accept the existence of Hooters if there were a similar chain named “StudMuffins” at which all of the waiters were hot young men who wore muscle Tshirts and booty shorts.

          • formerlyAnon

             I am now imagining a single restaurant in which one can asked to be seated in the “hooters” or “muffins” section.  How fascinating it would be to study patrons’ willingness to take “next available” seating.

          •  I’d rather my daughter be a stripper than work at a Hooters.  At least they’re honest about their business instead of acting like it’s just a restaurant with uniforms.  And hiring based on body and looks makes sense — you can’t do your job as a stripper without certain physical assets.  If Hooters wants to discriminate based on cup size, then they need to invent a breast-supported serving tray.  Until then they fall into the same category as the old “whites only” country clubs.

          • PaulaBerman

            I’d rather my daughter be an astrophysicist.

          •  Me too, but if she’s going to make a living through objectifying her body, well… it’s hers, and once she hits adulthood, I can’t stop her.

          • PaulaBerman

            Right. But I am not sure I would say that I would rather she be a stripper than a Hooters waitress…

      •  Me!!!  Even when I was in college, I did not want that much of my legs showing.  In fact, I showed plenty of cleavage purely as a distraction from said legs!

    • formerlyAnon

      Can’t say there’s a lot of leeway in a lot of establishments – you might get an inch or two, but a lot of places have “a look” and that’s that. (ETA: And if someone doesn’t respond to “suggestions” it’s easy to promote turnover by giving them crappy shifts/not enough hours.)

  • NDC_IPCentral

    Excellent observation that this was a challenge that required design for a change, gentlemen.  I, too, upon reflection thought that there was more process on display last night, and I appreciated it.  The limits of the client, though, didn’t offer the teams much range for creativity. 

    I think Team KRIL (and that krill koncept came to me later last night) does had a pretty good dynamic in the early going, but we all know that the pieces are going to be shaken up and reconfigured, probably soon.  I liked that most everyone dressed up for the runway judging – clearly a departure from the norm of past seasons since Tim Gunn reacted with surprise, albeit pleasant and encouraging.

    Could there be grown-ups among the designer-contestants this season?  Mirable dictu.

  • kirkyo

    Gotta say I enjoyed this episode more than any in recent memory. Favorite line of the night: “Where’s your hope?”

    I was very skeptical of the group idea, but it’s a good break from what has become a really tired format.

  • BuffaloBarbara

    Yeah, I’ll give them props for a design-based challenge, but there wasn’t much design opportunity in it.  The only ones that needed design were the ball-boy outfits, which had to serve a function (alas, the kilt, hilarious as it was, didn’t, and the funny little thing with the big pockets really did and I’m glad they thought of the net holder).

    Interesting mix of judging — Heidi judging as a potential customer, Susan as the business owner, Nina and Zac from a design standpoint.  (Heidi’s extremely practical commentary about pit hair was gross, but on point.  Who wants pit hair flung around a restaurant?  Ick.)

  • MilaXX

    I didn’t mind the episode and was okay with the win & the auf. I liked the t-shirt and ball catcher thingy that Joseph and Richard made, but hated the pants. Sadly I agree about Cindy, she’s not long for this show. She can sew, but her taste is not very modern or youthful. The next make a pretty dress challenge, and she’s gone unless we get another hard head non team player like James. 

    • ClevelandburbsBeth

       And James was really hanging on to that “If I had to do it all over again I would have just listened to my instincts” thing, right to the bitter end, no? Erm, I don’t think that would have helped, James.  I felt like his departure was kind of sad, though. Tim commenting that it was such a quiet room screamed “no one has anything to say to or about James.” And he didn’t even hug Tim! Just said, “ok, bye” and bailed.

  • ThaliaMenninger

    I loved the idea of a kilt. I think the kilt could’ve been a winner if they could’ve made it in a plaid (not a loud plaid, something subdued) and gotten rid of the notion that wearing a kilt necessarily involves no underwear (I mean, REALLY. How old are we here? A bagpipe player — a middle-aged lady — just played at a funeral I attended while it was below zero at the cemetery. Does anyone really think she wasn’t wearing six layers of Cuddle Duds under there?) and DEAR GOD, gotten rid of the stupid flap with balls on it. Especially if they’d designed a cute T (no tank top) with a little backpack that kind of looked like bagpipes to carry their flags and the balls they pick up. Millions of girls wore kilts to play field hockey, so it’s not like there’s not a sports connection. But then, Susan Sarandon has never heard of a freaking skort (I still have one in my closet somewhere) so it’s not like anyone there has any connection to the real world of sporty kids and what they should wear to properly do a sports-related job.

    Doesn’t Susan Sarandon own that place because she was spending all her time playing ping pong with the guy she dumped Tim Robbins for, so they opened it together?

    • Qitkat

      Silly me. I thought that stupid flap was to hold the balls they picked up!

    •  Oooo, I want a bag that looks like bagpipes!  In fact, I just want bagpipes but I know I’d never play them right.

      I wanted plaid on the kilt too.  I was feeling very Scottish last night.

  • I could kiss you both for your comments about the kilt.  That was exactly what my husband and I were saying about it last night.

    It bothered me that neither team made the server uniforms relate to each other.  Sure the ball boy could go off on his own direction, but I think that uniforms should be, well, somewhat uniform.  The men were all casual and cool, while women were all in cocktail dresses and office wear (save the yoga-esque one, which was ugly and unpractical – what woman wants to have to go to work every shift without being able to wear a bra?).  They don’t all have to be the same, but you should at least be able to tell that these people all work together.  A logo and a slogan really aren’t enough.

    • libraangel

      That’s what I thought about being in a team: to make five cohesive looks for the entire staff, not separate designs.

  • Carrieanno

    I love skorts, even though mine have long been relegated to the deep, dark depths of a spare bedroom closet (can’t bear to toss them just yet).   They’re a win-win in that they look more polished than shorts and, in the immortal words of Peach, you can bend over and “not flash the good china.”  
    I’ve always wondered how much the way the designers present themselves influences the judging of their garments.  Cindy may not be long for the show based on her work to date, but I nevertheless get the urge to yell “makeover, Cindy – couldn’t hurt”.  I just feel like she should be whipping out photos of the grandkids instead of beings involved in “balls-are-my-business”-wear designing.  
    I also found Heidi’s monopolizing of the judging conversation very noticeable last night.  

    • 3boysful

       I have workout skorts, and even some casual ones for summer–they look nicer on those of us over  *mumblemumble* than shorts for running errands.

    • libraangel

      Then Cindy doesn’t belong there.

  • Call me Bee

    To be honest, I didn’t give this episode my full attention, so I was less interested in it thn usual.  I didn’t get to see the designers’ workroom processes, which is why I watch PR in the first place.  The creative process.  But I do agree with you, gentlemen, that the judges were going togive props to the T and black pants uniform.  As shown be the top three. 
    That’s what every server at (insert name of favorite nation-wide restaurant chain here)  wears.  And for obvious reasons–it is comfortable for the server and easy to somewhat personalize for each place. 
    So congrats to Snidely and Tess Pureheart.  They invented the skort!! 

    Too bad Miss Susan didn’t have the balls to dress “her guys” in a kilt.  That would certainly make me run downtown and patronize my local Spin club. 

    So happy that Cindy was spared.  As said in the TLounge, this was one time that good execution saved a mediocre design.  I was a teensy bit miffed that Heidi kept calling it dowdy–it really wasn’t.  It was a cute blazer with the on-trend peplum, but it just wasn’t right for this challenge. 

    PS–I just watched the “Road to the Runway”, I think I’ll root for Melissa from now on.  Love her asthetic and her house!  Also caught her collection of porcelain deer/fawns.  Awwwww….a fellow Unborn Fawn. 

    • Jessica Knoch

       Which one is Melissa? I can’t find the name.

      • Call me Bee

        Oh derrrrrr…her name is Michelle, not Melissa.  The dark-haired chick with the big earrings.  She has some mad skills.

        • paginatrix

           I thought hers was way cool. But it really would have popped if she’d made it in orange. (I saw some orange club t-shirts in the stack, and the big ball/dot was screened in orange.)

          •  Yes, I liked the style, but the color looked like she was working for UPS.  It was dreary.

          • libraangel

            I know: MUD color. And it could have been shorter

  • LearnedFoot

    I thought this was a harmless, enjoyable-enough episode. I’ve accepted the fact that the designers are pretty much limited (by time and resource constraints) to making, at best, slightly creative department store clothes. The days of innovation and exquisite craftsmanship are long behind us, sadly, so best to just accept the show for what it is now and evaluate it with that in mind. I thought that Team Keeping  It Real absolutely smoked the Dream Team, to be honest, and showed some nice flashes of creativity and humor, especially with the consistent use of the movement of the ping pong ball as a motif.

    I actually do enjoy Zac Posen as a judge. His delivery is a bit monotone, but he always has something constructive to say, and critiques each look from both the creative perspective and the business side. He isn’t the master of the one-liner, but that’s OK. Not everything can be a disco pumpkin, or whatever.

  • Frank_821

    I walked away from this episode with mainly how different in attitude the 2 teams were

    1) Daniel’s idea of helping their “weak link” was to pass on sewing tricks to save her time but also collaborating with Layanna on the design
     Ben’s idea of helping their weak link was micro managing

    2) Layanna welcoming any help and input that will make her a better designer; James wanting to going off on his own and do his own thing

    • l_c_ann

      I asked last night:  Is Layanna this year’s Anya Lite?

      • Frank_821

        I wouldn’t go that far since Layanna actually went to FIT. She’s young and inexperienced but at least she knows it. I liked that Daniel helped without condescending to her. It seemed clear that it wasn’t all his design for the outfit. I liked that the edit made him appear to respect her enough to simply expect her contribute equally and gave her help only when he felt she needed it

        • Anya went to Parson’s.

        • PaulaBerman

          Daniel seems like a really nice, sweet person who also has great skills and a good eye. He is my favorite designer of the season so far. He was so generous to Layana, and I hope she realizes that her win was the direct result of his help.

          • I don’t know that she does, because in her winner’s interview she said she deserved to win, and did not thank Daniel for his help. And he sure was shown to help her a lot.

          • PaulaBerman

            I noticed that, and it made me like her less, not that I liked her much. When the time comes that she doesn’t have someone as nice as him to help  her, then we’ll see what she’s made of.

  • golden_valley

    The male models were nice eye candy.  That’s all I remember I remember about the show.

    • l_c_ann

      I have walnuts that need to be picked up by someone wearing a kilt.  He can come as he was.

  • BuffaloBarbara

    I want to elaborate on the kilt thing:

    It was funny, and, like Uli’s use of her lining, kind of a major “fuck you” on the challenge to use that stupid slogan.  As I was talking about with Sewing Siren in the Lounge, it would have been even funnier with a Speedo underneath it with the logo.

    However, in terms of the challenge, it didn’t make a lot of sense. 

    Why go with a stereotypical Scottish look in a ping pong club?  There doesn’t seem to be a lot of crossover there.    If it was a mini-golf nightclub, maybe mini-kilts would be a great little in-joke.  Ping pong, it left me scratching my head as to the connection.

    More importantly, it didn’t serve any functional purpose for the ball boys.  There was no nod to a place for the net, or a place to keep the balls they’re picking up.  It didn’t seem to intersect with the job at all.

    In terms of life as a working ball boy in this club, it would be hell to wear a kilt (same goes for that flippy little skirt of Amanda’s).  The whole night, every night, would be spent defending yourself from drunk idiots trying to lift it when you bend over.

    So, of the ball boy outfits, I’m a much bigger fan of Real’s more practical, if goofy-looking, concoction, which served all of the design needs.

    •  There’s never a bad time for Scottish anything or a kilt specifically.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Well, true as that is (though I’m not actually a huge kilt fan, come to think of it), it’s less of being a bad time, then just not an intuitively good one.

      • PaulaBerman

        When you are in a bar with men drinking and you are dude who has to bend over a lot, a kilt could be construed as a bad idea. It was funny as a spoof of the logo, but not a practical idea for the job. I’m sorry, I love a good kilt, but it was wrong for this challenge. I also thought that the other skirts were ridiculous and they were lucky they didn’t get called out on it.

  • Girl_With_a_Pearl

    So I haven’t seen the show (two weeks so far), but regarding this whole teams idea,  wasn’t that the premise for The Fashion Show that Iman hosted on Bravo?  Just saying.

    • Frank_821

      technically true but the tasks so far require teamwork but not necessarily require cohesion in the output. In that sense there’s less likihood of drama. at least so far

  • guest2visits

    Not impressed. Why? Because they’ve taken the meaning of the competition and buried it. The real story of Season 11 isn’t the
    designers, it’s the Edit.   Apparently someone is pursuing their bachelors in camera. It’s a sewing room ER, or frontlines: edgy interviews.  This is why it’s so boring; not for the inclusion of sewing skills or thought process- which I think was an opportunity
    wasted in this mess- but because it was ultimately a meaningless dance; it didn’t clarify anything.  It’s being used to further obscure
    and manipulate the outcome and the fact that there is no clear winner or loser on teams.  Except producer manufactured ones.

    And really, it’s hard to root for a team created garment. After all; a team is not going to win the whole shabang – it’s going to be
    awarded to ONE person. It’s disingenuous to play like this team effort is instructional when it has nothing to do with the designer,
    in the end. It’s just someone’s idea of hot drama.  Change should be an improvement; not just rearranging the deck chairs on a
    sinking ship. At least, thats what I see in this newest installment of Lifetime.

    • demidaemon

      I don’t really see your point at all. I don’t really see any manipulation in the putcome at all. DT had the, by far, worst or most inappropriate outfits. Therefore, their significantly lower scores would put them on the bottom. Though TKIR had some misses, they clearly answered the brief more coherently and successfully. And PR has always been this way; every reality TV competition is this way. You are taking anywhere from 6-48 hours of footage and compressing it into a 60-90 minute time frame. And the producers and showrunners want good soundbites as they make for good TV which nets better ratings and more advertisement money. It’s a business at the end of the day. And for all your talk of drama, it was mostly design drama with a touch of the usual reality show competition insecurities. In the end, these people will have to make it work or else they will end up shooting themselves in the foot. If the last regular challenge of the season is a 2v2 showdown, you sure as hell will not want to be in the bottom and risk having a 50% chance of going home.

      • guest2visits

        Well why would I want to be in the bottom with a group of people that may have put me there?
        Thats the point – if I made the cut to be on the show based on my portfolio and interview; then I deserve to rise
        or fall flat on my OWN ass and not drag anyone out of the game because I didn’t do well enough in the challenges.
        It’s the team format that I’m talking about; not the usual designer drama that I would expect with any other episode.
        All the effort to rush something together that isn’t your own vision, and then be auft – doesn’t seem fair and it’s a
        game that doesn’t appeal to me.   I hate the idea of losing talented designers in this group vs group set-up.
        I respect the skills that brought them this far, why not let the designers show what they’ve got one on one?
        And it’s not like everyone doesn’t already know that team challenges almost always produce the worst stuff;
        I don’t think anyone jumped for joy when it was revealed that this was a Teams Season. Someone posted upstream
         about the saying; “too many cooks spoil the broth” and I agreed.  It doesn’t make good TV because the majority of
        the things that are generated from the teams are not worth seeing.  Thats as blunt as I can put it.
        Even the winning outfit needed changes to work and to look right in my opinion. The second in line; was it
        Stanley’s? – his was more perfectly finished to me; and did he not do it completely on his own? 
        I have a hard time caring about the designers when I cannot see what they represent, or what their style is.
        Which is another reason the team thing bores me.
        But having read lots of posts; more people got at least a little something out of the show – and sounds like you did
        too. I sure wish I could.

        •  I like the CONCEPT of the team format.  Because you do need to be able to work with others to have a successful design business, and because I like the idea that this show can help the designers further their skills by learning from each other.

          Now, how much the concept will match the reality… that’s a horse of a different color.

          • guest2visits

            And there’s nothing wrong with teams; they’re a ‘mini-motor’ of people who function to get the
            task done or achieve the end goal.  As in the operating room a surgeon has his/her work; and all
            the highly trained technical staff present have their critical tasks to perform as well. They are not
            doing the same thing; but they have the same goal. Even the crew building a house have their
            different set of craft skills; the electrician, the plumber, the mason..etc but all have one goal.
            Which is kind of funny – because thats not really the case for PR. On this show the end goal isn’t
            about a team performance – there are many separate goals that are on the line here; no matter how
            creatively the producers decide to group the contestants.
            And yes – I also agree everyone has their job to do in a business and it’s constructive for the designers to have a clue what that means. But I don’t think the team concept here is going to help
            them ultimately, with winning; but thats just my pov.
            Ah well…  I may be bored senseless, or peeved that I don’t get to see the kind of work I watch PR
            for.. and thats fine.  I get by.. somehow.. 😉  !

      • Lisa_Cop

        No producer manipulation? Have you not seen the earpieces the judges wear in their left ears (seen with frequency on All Stars)? Everything, EVERYTHING is manipulated. These reality shows have “story” producers (i.e. writers). And PR might be a step less than Survivor (where they give out scripts and set out wardrobe) but not by that much.

        • guest2visits

          Agree – and what I forgot to mention in my rant was the pre-chosen teams…there had to be someone
          and some reason they were sorted in this initial split. 
          And of course; I think there’s alot of missing info covering how team issues are decided or who steers the
          direction of the group; other than what we see in the edited tv version. 
          I guess I’m just too picky when it comes to my reality show BS and I should just sit still back and let the
          PR Magic wash over me!

  • Pupioso

    Cindy’s not long for this competition. She has no design capability whatsoever. She will be gone soon. Overall I’m a bit concerned about the lackluster designs but we’re only two episodes in. The judging is seriously lacking Kors. He was the star of the panel in many respects. Posen is good and there’s nothing wrong with him, but he’s too nice. You need Kors acerbic sarcasm and it shows.

    I thought the colors were terrible last night. I didn’t like any of it. To blah for me and like I said, the designs (and maybe it’s th challenges themselves) are just underwhelming. 

  • StillGary

    I think pinning the win on the fashion-innovation skort of the century was just a lazy dodge because if Joseph and Richard had gotten the win, who was the stronger designer? The net holder was good idea that looked mighty sexy on the young lad,s shoulder. Ok, I feel bad for the kilt designer, fearing he is going to second guess himself right out of this competition. Granted, this wasn’t his idea — but it was well executed, hip and I don’t think think many of the guys would hate it. Susan Sarandon, your tagline was dumb. Why not just use the tagline– “I’ve got your balls!”
    “The Ball Stops Here”
    TLO is right So, dumb to go there in there the first place — if you don’t have the balls to commit.

    • libraangel

      And if Joseph and Richard HAD won, to ask them which one should be the winner, how stupid! Make both of them winners, give both of them immunity!

    • I like your taglines better than hers!  But since she came up with the Balls Are My Business motto, she shouldn’t get all testes about it.

      •  Liked for the terrible pun 😉

        •  It was pretty terrible, wasn’t it?  I almost had too much shame to go there…operative word being “almost” LOL!

      • StillGary

        *bowing* you are most awesome!

        •  I’ll be here all week!  Don’t forget to tip your waitress.   😉

    • demidaemon

      I think the win was more influenced by manufacturing costs over which was truly the better design (the skort design was easier to dumb down and produce for a smaller amount of money.)

  • Wow, I guessed the challenge correctly last night based on the teaser video.

    However, I’m concerned. Tim as mediator rather then sole mentor will remove opportunities to hear his large words, as well as woolly ball, holla at your boy and what happened to Andrae moments.

  • Coco Cornejo

    Heidi got awf-ly close to making some ageist remarks about Cindy last night. Perhaps the producers in a PC moment backed away from having her sent home. It would have been just too obvious that the old lady archetype is there as canon fodder.

    BTW, not buying the whole “I’ve never seen a skort before” thing. Really? I don’t think so…

    • Frank_821

      in fairness to Miss sarandan, I spent most of my 47 yrs never having heard of or seen a skort. first time was when it was mention on 1 of the earlier season of PR

      • SewingSiren

        Long time ago various in various incarnations they used to be called “culottes”, ” scooter skirts”, or “split skirts”.

        • mhleta

          Or, in the 70s GAUCHOS! God, those were awful. They came in corduroy with a cuff. I want to shoot myself in the face just thinking about it. I’m proud to say I never owned a pair or wanted to.

        • ecallaw1977

           I think of culottes as being much longer, though.  Never heard the term scooter skirts or split skirts!

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          Scooter skirts ring a bell here!

      •  i’m 47, and i remember wearing skorts or scooter skirts from the age of 5. skorts and culottes are two different things.

  • R. L.

    I thought the kilts were HOT.  What woman wouldn’t want to have her ball-boy dressed like Rob Roy?  Seems to me like Tim thought it was great too.  

    I agree with others on the skort too.  WTF I had to wear those things as a youngster at bible camp.  No innovation there. 

    But it was a better episode design-wise.  I’m not loving ZP as a judge though.  He’s so bland.

    • ecallaw1977

       The cheerleaders at my hyper-religious private high school had to wear skorts.  Always cracked me up.

  • LiterateWonderful

    I am only following Project Runway through you guys now, so I didn’t see this, but as a former cocktail waitress, the idea of a uniform out of swimsuit material is genius, given the amount of beer that gets spilled in a place like that.

    • Laylalola

      Agreed — but that skirt was a good five inches shorter than the one the waitress there was wearing, who emphasized how important it is that the skirt is long enough to cya with all the bending over tables there.

      • WhiteOprah

        That dress would have been better with little shorts underneath- like a tennis dress.  I also would have like to see the Spin logo worked into it (But not the slogan).  

        • mhleta

          I had the same thought. It needed shorts. Peach Carr would have designed the bejeezus out of this challenge. This is so up her alley.

    • ecallaw1977

      Hers actually ended up looking like a swimsuit though, and not even a cute swimsuit–it looked like a “I have REALLY bad cellulite so here’s my skirt” swimsuit.

  • l_c_ann

    From the SPiN website, where they do sell SPiN clothes, none of these appeared (so far).  And we may be thankful that there are additional ‘logos’  featuring ping pong paddles and spanking that weren’t used last night for inspiration.

    • Laylalola

      The outfit that won supposedly is for a waitress uniform at SPiN. 

  • Sam

    What no comment about Stanley trying to upsell his t-shirt? “It’s a short sleeved sweatshirt with raglan sleeves.”

    So… it’s a t-shirt made from heavy material?

  • SewingSiren

    I thought the kilt was cute. Maybe he should have called it a table tennis skort or something . I saw nothing wrong with the placement of the slogan, as if it weren’t over his balls no one would get the sexual innuendo. 
    The winning garment was blah.
    The vest was okay. But not feasible to reproduce on a small scale. The skort is already in production in every size color , fabrication , and price point you can imagine. So. 
    Of the actual top three I think the t-shirt on the ball boy would have been the sharpest to actually wear.
    Of the losers. 
    I kind of think the undertaker got skinned unfairly. The jacket isn’t as pedestrian as the shorts and they scooted Ben off without a word.
    Poor James was lost from episode one and his first top was even worse than the Franken-tank. He may well be a good designer, but this game was not for him.

  • SewingSiren

    And I was surprised they didn’t use Patricia for the graphic design element of the challenge, that would have been right up her alley.

    • mhleta

      Yeah, I have a conceptual issue with the logo and the name. Ping pong balls travel in parabolas, not swirling tornadoes. When do they spin? I thought it was a spinning club at first. They should call it “Bounce” and the logo should be shaped like a parabola. 

      • formerlyAnon

        Physical scientist? Or just well educated?

      •  SPiN isn’t bad as a name — yes the balls bounce, but a good player also puts spin on the ball…

  • Diane Lynch

    Winning look was OK, but there was a strong whiff of “Would you like fries with that?” about it. Loved the kilt. Great premise for a design challenge, but sadly limited in scope.

  • BrooklynBomber

    I like the overall concept for this challenge, and definitely like that they’re showing more of the design and construction, but there were problems with the challenge; it’s like the producers didn’t really think it through. 
    They should have had each team member design their own outfit, but each has to be part of a team collection; in other words, the team comes up with an overall concept, and each designer makes something that works w/in that. 

    Having 2 people work on 1 outfit meant you had tops and bottoms that just didn’t go together (Joseph’s & Richard’s were good, but not together), or outfits where one person did all the interesting work, while the other did a throwaway piece (Patricia’s “leggins,” Ben’s shorts, Layana’s skort).

    And then there was no thought given to designing for various body types (Amanda’s [which I think should have been in the bottom 2, over Cindy’s], Kate’s & Patricia’s), or to how the winning look would be translated to the other 2 jobs. How is that diner uniform going to be translated into ball boys’ uniform?

    No, the kilt outfit should have won. They could have made a version with long shorts; a short sleeved T with a pleated skirt for the women; and a short sleeved T with pleated slacks or shorts for the male waiters. 

    • libraangel

      I thought that too: how is the winning look going to be incorporated into the other employees’ looks? Are they all going to be redesigned?

    • PaulaBerman

      Everyone is all about that kilt, but I feel like the judges were right: a man working in a bar with drunk people who has to bend over constantly is going to be miserable in a kilt, as I would be miserable in a skirt doing that job. 

      • BrooklynBomber

        Of course, you’re right, but they always adapt these outfits, so I was thinking that outfit, but modified with shorts, pants, etc. Skirts for the women. Kilts for a kick-off party.

      • Which has stopped no bar ever from being willing to put women in skirts…  just sayin’…

        Or the hotel I worked at where I spent all 3rd shift as the only employee in the building with drunk frat boys who tried to call me to drop stuff off at their rooms — yeah, ’cause pants wouldn’t have made far more sense there…

        • PaulaBerman

          As someone who has waitressed and tended bar, I think the difference you are missing here is that this job requires a lot of bending over to pick up balls. When I was working in the bar, I definitely did not have to bend over in a skirt.  Thank god. When I did wear a skirt, it was tight enough that it could not have been easily lifted, unlike a kilt.

  • Indigo54

    I loved the Kilt.  I work with a guy who wears them regularly and I make a fuss over him every time cuz he looks hawt.   Hmmm, maybe that’s why he’s been avoiding me lately…

  • Susan Collier

    Too many tank tops. It’s NYC, not Penang.
    I do believe that those losing clamdiggers had the logo on each buttcheeck: The Hills Have Eyes.
    Morticia is gone next week and then they’ll redistribute the teams. Hopefully at that point, they’ll also rename the teams because these innocuous names mean that I can’t tell Team Keeping It Real from the other one whose name I forgot already.

    • demidaemon

      I have a feeling–from the previews–that she’ll at least be around for the resdistribution and then she’ll get the auf.

  • Indigo54

    Something about poor Cindy Morticia just tears my heart out. I feel so sorry for her.  No doubt she can sew but…that jacket. Seriously? For a ping pong club challenge?  I mean, come on lady.

  • jw_ny

    I really like the kilt and I’d bet the guys would like wearing it once they realized how much extra attention they’d be receiving from the ladies, as well as some of the gentlemen.  I agree with Susan on the hairy armpits thing tho, a tank top is not appropriate for servers. 

    I also really liked Joseph I Richards…would’ve liked to have seen that as the winner.  The pants needed to be better fitted, and the logo on the pockets was a bit much too.  The tee was nice.  The holster was a good idea…needs some tweaking to be more practical. 

    Layana’s waitress uniform just seemed too much like any diner/sports bar type uniform to me.  I know it was practical, but it needed more edge and graphics for this type of establishment.

  • mom2ab

    When were they told that the only colors they could work with were black, white, grey and mud?  And I loved the kilt- thought it was the cleverest most eye catching thing on the runway.  And from what I know of cool 20 something hipsters they would line up to wear it.

  • I liked this challenge, but I agreed it was boring. I also thought they should have shaken up the teams and made them more fair by having three teams of 5, each showing 5 looks (because 8 and 7 each making 5 looks is stupid and unfair – of course the team with 8 people won again. Of course). Granted, it’s a little early to shake up the teams, but I thought making the top 3 designers from last week team leaders this week would better incentivize ensuring you had the best team and actually incentivize teamwork (because then you’d get to choose your own team, etc). And it would lead to more interesting drama (so-and-so can’t sew! or so-and-so skews old => LAST PICKED DRAMA). If they’re going to structure the episodes like a high school gym class, they should include the team picking. Especially since their likely solution is going to be sending someone from team winners to team losers, which just results in ostracism and boring drama. 

    I thought the men’s looks were overall surprisingly stronger than all the women’s looks. Why didn’t anyone use any of the logo/slogan fabric/design on the women’s looks? The squiggle top on the kilt guy would have worked fine as a dress on a girl. Why did everyone instead default to black and bland colored looks for the women? Snoooore. 
    I feel like we didn’t actually see Susan Sarandon but rather [Dammit] Janet last night, who’d never heard of skorts until now and is shocked by the idea of balls as an innuendo. Definitely not the Susan Sarandon who ruler-spanked a man in a pig mask on stage at an Of Montreal show. Puh-lease. Were the producers feeding her lines (of coke)?

    Also, I already find Princess Water Lily supremely annoying. 

    • l_c_ann

      Yes, it would have been a perfect three teams of five, but maybe BM didn’t want to spring for five more models or $500 more for fabric.

    • libraangel

      Good idea: they should have team leaders, especially for that ‘Dream Team’ (NAME!) who lose as much for their disorganization as their designs.

  • “Leggins”. If she said that one more time I was going to scream (the Indian woman – forgetting her name).

    Loved the idea of the kilt so much. The slogan placement was funny, but the kind of thing you do, and laugh, then change it.

    Why did they use such dull colors? Black, OK, but that brown?

    I really enjoyed the episode and challenge, it had some realness to it. A real design problem, and real problems executing the designs. 

    I am so not loving the team thing though, the way its set up. Yes, in the real world you have to work with other people. But this is more like “too many cooks spoil the broth”. 

    • mhleta

      Patricia. That feather dress (which I LOVED) that she showed in her audition? It’s listed for $1,500!

    • guest2visits

      My thoughts exactly about the too many cooks in the kitchen observation regarding teams. All this cooperation and
      compromise leads to some pretty weak soup. There’s just not enough time to be inspired and to focus on completing
      their own individual ideas without being forced to dither about a slew of other designers’ problems and fixes.
      It’s not like they don’t already consent to cooperate in many other ways; they’re shacked up together in a dorm setting
      where people naturally must cooperate to some degree; so they eat together, commiserate together, and already help each
      other out (or not) in various ways, as in all previous seasons.
      And since we’ve all seen from experience that team challenges don’t improve the designs churned out; I can only guess
      that either 90% of the contestants need remedial help or instruction, or alot of designers are simply getting screwed 
      because they will never get to show their talents in a fair, even format.   I would imagine everyone wants to run their
      own race and not feel hobbled by another designer’s vision not their own. I think this episode showed a few good items
      that should have been better, and ALOT that were dreck because they were cobbled together ideas and it showed.
      Whew!  End rant – sorry; the wise-adage about ‘many cooks’ caught me!

    •  LEGGINS!!! it’s patricia (aka princess water lily). my roommate had never heard anyone pronounce it that way either. unfortunately i have. and it drives me crazy.

  • Decent challenge. They have to consider the venue, the various roles, and the body types and attire particularities of both genders. There’s a lot more problem-solving to this challenge as compared to “represent your point-of-view” or “draw inspiration from Central Park” challenges.

    Daniel / Layana : Daniel was going on and on about how the lines of the vest mimic the trajectory of the ball or whatnot, and I thought that was a bit silly. There’s some interesting seams in the front of the vest, but the curvilinear configuration and the asymmetry struck me as gimmicky.  Subtract or reconstruct the lapels. Also, Daniel, this “crossing over” you use in lieu of buttons, zippers, or closures? I want to see if he can insert a zipper. Layana’s skort is fine. It’s a skort. That’s all there is to it. The pockets in the back were a nice touch.

    Michelle: I liked how she utilized the graphic quality of logo print for the back of the dress. The dress is well designed and sporty. But there’s no doubt it’s dreary.

    Samantha / Tu : Remove those rectangular panels protruding from the top portion of the skirt. Otherwise, it’s fine.

    Stanley: I’m not accepting of dropped-crotch pants, but I think he did well. The logo in the back of the shirt is not strategically placed and feels unnecessary.

    Amanda: Not bad (clever choice of material).

    Ben / Matt : The slogan is ill-placed. Matt should have interpreted a kilt as opposed to replicating one. Ben’s vest generates no design interest. Neither do the shorts for the outfit on which he worked with Cindy. I’ve no idea why Ben wasn’t eliminated. He did two of the most elementary pieces, none of which was well made. WTF was up with orange splotch on the back?

    Cindy: The jacket’s beautifully tailored, but it’s a bit … funereal. It’s too rigid for this particular venue. She’s a good technician but not much of a designer.

    Joe / Rich : Zac Posen liked that they had experimented with typography. I don’t disagree. Joseph’s pants were an improvement as compared to the shreds he sent last challenge (though the fit’s not great. I get these are not intended to be tailored pants, but that doesn’t mean they should look slouchy). Rich’s shirt is impeccably fitted; the color-blocking is crisp; the logo is well-integrated.
    The holster thing they designed was a good idea.

    Kate / Patricia : Terrible proportions; poor drapery; poor placement of those striations.

    James: The whole outfit’s awry; the length of the pants questionable; and the color-blocking ill-conceived, but he did ATTEMPT to design something (i.e. putting the pockets etc…) as opposed to Ben who produced hardly any design.

    • l_c_ann

      Orange splotch on the back is the ping pong ball color that all the SPiN places use, and they do use that orange in the logos that they are selling on clothing.

      •  Ah, I see. I didn’t immediately connect it to the ball depicted on the logo that–say– Stan used. To me, it looked like an ill-placed splotch. It still does. And I still think Ben should have been out.

    • libraangel

      Actually. maybe I am nuts, but I kinda liked James’s pants.

      • demidaemon

        You are.

        • libraangel

          I looked at them again – and I remembered the logo on the back pockets, and I repent the errors of my way- James’s pants ARE bad

  • I thought it was hilarious that a kilt was referred to as “gender bending.”  Who knew that the NYPD bagpipe sections use the occasion of funerals to make a statement about gender identity?  Those devilish cops!

    And I guess this means that Prince Charles has gender identity issues, that surface every time he visits Balmoral?

    And then the comment that not all the guys would be willing to wear them because not all of them have nice legs.  But the women will all wear short skirts because their legs are all perfect?  

    There was a bit of fuddy duddy running through the judges this week.  I look forward to them telling those damn kids to get off their lawns.

    •  Well, Prince C, yes. The cops, probably not so much.

  • Kate4queen

    I actually quite enjoyed all the discussion about the designs and seeing Tim for more than 5 seconds. I liked the way Daniel took on the weakest member of the team without making a big deal out of it at all. I realized why Ben was in fashion management -he didn’t offer anything in the design part of the challenge at all, just got in everyones way. I also liked the kilt, it’s the ladies equivalent of the female waitresses short skirt. 🙂
    I’m beginning to think that Richard is one to watch. His skills are impeccable.
    And I’d never heard of a skort before I moved to the USA either.

  • DinahR

    Most guys might find wearing a kilt awkward —  BUT I bet their tips would skyrocket and they’d get over that awkwardness fast. Just like waitresses do.  However, I am not sure Spin is deserving of Men in Kilts.  

    I love Susan S. but I was annoyed that she was all pearl-clutchy over her own damn business motto.  She’s no fool, and certainly a double entendre was part of the reason she chose it.  So go there.  Don’t be shy now.  Don’t blame the designers for it for not downplaying it when you put it out there and they were told to incorporate it.  

    That being said, the tips pouch/pocket thing should have been made to be double sided, so it could either of said Balls… blah blah blah… or been flipped over to just be a non-fun functional piece.  

    • libraangel

      I liked the kilt idea and thought it would draw in customers. (Are you listening, Susan?)  A lot of the winning look’s appeal was that the model really worked it with her pencil and note-pad.

  • janierainie

    As a woman Cindy’s age I keep hoping she’ll have a light bulb moment and realize she could possibly learn something new. I keep fantasizing her team will have a meeting and hash things out and realize they need each other. But you’re probaby right, she’s not long for this world. I agree about the episode I just wish the design process this week had a more interesting goal. 

    I too couldn’t understand how everyone was offended by that damn kilt. It was the most interesting piece up there. Susan should change her slogan if it offends her.

    • libraangel

      Cindy not only doesn’t get it, she seems offended and angry all the time, so I think talking to her would do no good – she would take offense.

      • libraangel

        p.s. I also am a woman Cindy’s age and she seems to dress more matronly than I do (or maybe I’m wrong?!) and looks older. (even with jeans on.)

        • meowing

          Yeah, I noticed the pussy bow last week and the little birdie print shirt this week, and I don’t think they’re ironic.  While I’m no fashionista, I hope I dress much younger than she does (and I’ve also been in a conservative career, as she has).

          • Call me Bee

            Yeah–she’s my age and looks like my mother did.  I dress much younger than her.  And I’m sure she does not get the irony of wearing those garments as a 20-something would.  They are just old-lady clothes. 

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          I wonder if Cindy’s personal style reflects her and her husband’s business, and that she hadn’t thought about doing something a bit more eye-catching for PR?

  • wawawah

    The winning look was NOT worthy of a win…I’m all for the kilt! Zac Posen seems to be a good judge….and a lot easier ojn the eyes than the Duchess!

  • Inspector_Gidget

    The inherent problem in design-focused challenges, though – and I think it’s why they don’t do them often – is these silly one-day requirements.  They barely give the designers enough time to sew some cloth together, much less consult with a client and plan out a thoughtful line of server clothing as well as execute it all.  So you wind up with rack after rack of Marshall’s-ready looks, regardless of the nature of the challenge.  

    (I also suspect that’s why the judges aren’t making any cracktastic decisions. Why get unduly worked up over a slightly better or worse dept. store look?)

    • libraangel

      As I said last week. the time to complete challenges seems to be getting less and less ( which is ridiculous). I can’t remember only one day in past seasons.

      • Inspector_Gidget

        Yeah. I think they did it every so often, to throw in an “Oh shit!” moment.  But it wasn’t the standard.  I don’t know if they’re trying to cut their production costs or what, but it’s not enough time to create much of interest. 

      • l_c_ann

        They are making it less than one day by adding the team aspect.  Like take off two hours, since every decision ends up being group think:  what ARE we going to do, how do we split up the money, and that’s just before the trip to Mood.  Then the getting started discussions, and then the Tim leads the discussions which has to be half an hour at least, with that many contestants. 

  • nannypoo

    I realize that skorts are not new, and should definitely not be considered for a win in any design competition, but I thought Layana’s rationale was smart and her garment was relevant to the needs of the client. I also liked Daniel’s vest. Whenever they actually produce winning designs they modify them until they are almost unrecognizable anyway, so I’m sure the lapels and other curved elements will be tidied up and the outfit will look great. I liked the hot server, too, but I thought the ball boy outfit was pretty silly. I can’t imagine any guy wanting to wear those pants.

    I like kilts for men. I have a friend who is a drummer in a pipe band, so I see lots of men in kilts. The difference, of course, is that a pipe band is a place where men would be expected to wear kilts. Why would an employee of a ping pong club wear a kilt? It makes no sense at all. And why would a server wear a lycra LBD? Again, no logic. James definitely needed to be put out of his misery, and Cindy will be next. Unless they get out the button bag and reassign the teams, which, of course, we can all see coming a mile away. And if I were on the show, the teammate I would dread the most is that arrogant, bossy, minimally talented British guy.

    I got the sense that Susan S. is not really embarrassed by her slogan. I think she just doesn’t want it emblazoned on someone’s actual balls. It’s clever if it’s used right. Otherwise her male employees become a joke that they do not want to be in on.

    • alyce1213

      “The difference, of course, is that a pipe band is a place where men would be expected to wear kilts. Why would an employee of a ping pong club wear a kilt? It makes no sense at all.”

      Exactly.  That’s why the skort w/apron best met the design requirements and needs of the wearer.  (But I also think a slightly longer version would be advisable for gals who don’t want to go too short.)

  • WhiteOprah

    This challenge should have been on All-Stars.  That way Anthony Ryan could have talked about only having one ball some more.  He didn’t seem to have the chance on All-Stars.  Would have given Isaac another reason to fawn all over him.  

    • Call me Bee

      Oh my gosh that would have been just insufferable. 

    • Now that’s just bad. ;p

    • Targettaste

       Anthony Ryan: “My business is ball.”

  • dickylarue

    All I could think all episode was how The Duchess would’ve devoured “Ball are my Business” and the denim kilt. The Dauphin is wallpaper. Off with his head! Long live The Duchess!

  • libraangel

    OH ME! OH MY! I didn’t know what to do with this episode. I get what you are saying, T&L, but I found it boring as hell, but you are correct in saying what a difficult challenge to design:  just basic T-shirts, etc. I guess I agree with the win, although didn’t understand nice Daniel’s explanation of the curves of the ping-pong ball. (And I finally got the names/faces straight!) Why did all the designers use black or such dark, sad colors? I can’t say anything about the others, except poor Patricia who I think genuinely was reined in with her creativity for just making leggings ( I don’t think it was her ego), and poor Cindy : poor because she just doesn’t get that her designs are dowdy. As for Ms. Susan, as you say, very annoying in that she coined the phrase”Balls are my business” which frankly ruined Joseph and Richard’s otherwise fine design. p.s Where was the logo on the winning design? I thought they all had to have ‘Spin’ on them/

    • Janet B


    • It said SPiN on the back of one of the shoulders of the winning look.

  • Frank_821

    Oh something I wish to bring up with all you kilt lovers. First I loved the idea of the kilt but I get why the judges didn’t like it. And I get why Susan Sarandon was hesitant to foist on her employees

    I know plenty of guys who no longer wear their kilts out at a ren faire. There have been too many women who have harassed or molested them. It doesn’t take too much incentive for a bunch of women at a ren faire to start a “kilt check”

    • mhleta

      I know I can’t be the only one who thinks guys with great legs look incredibly hot in kilts, as did the model. I had to fan myself. 

    • PaulaBerman

      Or how about drunk male patrons with long sticks? I wouldn’t want to wear a skirt or a kilt for that job.

      • formerlyAnon

         Right. It’s an equal-opportunity problem.

  • Jennifer_Juniper

    We are lost and standing in the pouring rain at the door of a creaky Gothic mansion, our car having broken down, hoping to find hospitality and shelter.
    Little do we know.  Welcome to the Project Horror Funeral Home.
    Your hosts are white as a ghost Tim Gunn and his German conspirator in mortuary seduction, Heidi. 
    The maid is wearing an apron-like black “skort”.  Odd.  We have never seen or heard of this strange mash-up of a short and skirt before.  There is also something not quite right about the maid’s black vest.  It could be the off-kilter symmetry.  The oxymoron alone is enough to turn your hair white.  Hmm.  There seems to be a theme.  A male servant is wearing a kilt.  Off-kilter and kilt.  We are beginning to get uncomfortable and suspicious.
    Our host, Frank and Furtive Tim, wily-smiled Heidi at his side, says in an all too pleasant yet creepy voice, “Come up to the lab and see what’s on the slab.”
    We follow along as if mesmorized.  It seems we have no choice.
    While we are guided through the manse other strange characters seem to haunt the house.  A man with a handle-bar moustache.  A young innocent woman who will save 2 hours of time if she follows this Snidely Whiplash’s instructions on how to stick pins into body parts.

    There are people called The Judges.  One of them is a man wearing a green serpent around his neck.  The other a woman whose sparkly sweater belies the effortless evil squint of her eyes.  They’re creepy and they’re cooky.  They’re altogether ooky.  Ba-da-da-da-dump, snap snap.
    Then there is an actual mortician!  Are we dead yet? 
    And there are many more Workers doomed to a purgatory existence in which they must cut and sew, cut and sew at Frank and Furtive Tim’s and Wily Heidi’s bidding to construct uniforms for the servers and ball boys who work at an underground ping-pong club — Balls Are Business.
    It is like a time warp: They are given such tasks each and every day and the garments must always be completed in 24 hours, just a seam to the left and a hem to the right.
    Will we, too, become forced to put our hands on our hips and do the pelvic thrust?
    Ooooh Brad!
    Damn it, Janet!
    There’s nothing we can do about it.  Just let go and give in to the urge to do The Time Warp again before we are sent to the place where all good and not-so-good Workers must turn off their work table lamps and everything fades to black and thus TLo Unborn Fawns will never know the fate of Tony Soprano.

    • mhleta

      Brava!! I can’t wait to read your future thoughts. Can you feel me shiver with anticip…..

      •  …pation!

      • Jennifer_Juniper

        Thanks for the brava.
        The future may hold something like Project Prison Ways:  The Shawshank Resumption, in a nod to Susan’s ex-not-husband Tim what’s his name.  Balls will once again carry the action and the prison uniforms will of course be kilts.
        Oh for my college days when The Rocky Horror Picture Show was already a few years old and my friends and I brought all of the accessories in paper bags to toss and throw at the appropriate times during the movie.  Now it goes to show my age in that I can’t remember most of them.  The part I remember most is screaming a**hole every time the professor appeared and doing the time warp.  Frankly, I didn’t really “get” it all.  I just kind of let it all wash over me like the heady scent of the cloudy air in the theater. That helped. I believe the quaint expression was “eeer.” 🙂
        Okay, adulthood is now indeed my “reeling in the years.” Must pay bills. 🙁

        But for another tantalization, maybe one day I’ll tell you about my daughter and her friendship with one of PR’s first season’s finale models.  I think she walked for Jay.  Anyway, Jude Law will also figure into the true story.

        See ya then.

        Kind regards,


        • Qitkat

          Looking forward to your future recaps. I particularly would love one with Thelma and Louise.

        • formerlyAnon

           Me, I’m most interested in that true story. Life is stranger than fiction. Or just as.

  • mhleta

    ” ‘BALLS ARE MY BUSINESS’ IS YOUR SLOGAN. WHY ARE YOU ACTING SO OFFENDED BY IT?”  THANK YOU!!! Heidi reminded me of one of those mean girls who changes the rules when she doesn’t like someone. That was such bullshit, I screamed at the TV. Also, Zac Posen is a walking snooze fest. Bring back The Duchess. 

  • YoungSally

    Week two and no PR, just TLo…..and it IS nice to have the extra 90 minutes.  But I am confused…why are some items designed by a “team” and others by a single designer…..or are they just merging names like Bennifer.

    Love the kilt…can’t believe that any place that calls itself a ping pong nightclub…doesn’t have a sense of humor.  Actually like Michelle’s depressing dress…but not as waitstaff wear.

    Seems the thing I am really missing is the fitting sessions with the male models.  Oh well, we all make sacrifices.

    • MintaHallWriter

      In the episode one team had 8 people, one had 7 people (they lost one designer after last week’s show), and the two teams had to produce 5 looks each. So the teams divided that up however they liked. Most looks had a couple people responsible for them, but James did his whole look himself–he didn’t want to play well with others.  And it really was a hot mess.

      Actually, the workshop critiques are interesting: The whole team gets together and reviews each of the looks for their team, with Tim guiding the discussion. Mostly, they’re offering pretty cogent and appropriate comments.

      They also are giving the designers a little more time:  5 looks from 7 (or 8) people in one day. That means more hands available to work on only 5 works.

      • YoungSally

        Thanks so much — your 90 minutes saved me 90 minutes….I owe you one!

  • marilyn

    I think that the PR people changed to the team format because they want drama.  They want those designers at each others’ throats.  The designers, on the other hand, are trying to portray themselves not as bitchy, backstabbing divas.  At worst, they say polite, snide things about others when alone on camera.  There don’t seem to be any divas this year, so even the team format may not stir up any juicy stuff.  It may actually add tedium by introducing 2 boring staff meetings to every episode.  If they wanted drama, they should have asked Josh back.

    Query:  Since PR had thousands of designers to choose from, why did they pick Emily, who can’t sew or deal with pressure, Cindy, who is an older dowdy midwest gal, and James, who is pretty bland?  Couldn’t the screeners see these problem coming and choose someone who was better qualified?  I am kind of annoyed that, with the exception of Bert from a few seasons ago, they ALWAYS get rid of the old people first.  Don’t you see that target sign on Cindy’s forehead already?

    P.S.  I thought the kilt thing was kind of cute, and with a slogan like that, where did this taste level come from?  The only problem I see is that the kilt wearing guys might have to bend over to pick up balls at times.  Then they would understand how women feel about wearing skirts all the time.


    • Indigo54

      Good questions.  I think all the designers you mentioned are just cannon fodder.  Never had a chance.  Also, notice how they keep emphasizing how experienced Benjamin is.  I expect him to under perform then get the axe.  There’s always a designer like that every season.  OMG, that speech Benjamin gave the judges was priceless – a total Gretchen Jones moment.  Wouldn’t care to see that again. 

    • demidaemon

      Casting is based on portfolios and audition videos. The former shows if you have any skill and the latter shows if you are TVworthy. Remember, though, you have all the time in the world–especially if you are a working designer–to construct an awesome portfolio and audition looks. That is quite different from the time, budget, and challenge restraints on the actual show.

    • libraangel

      I miss Josh  only because he used colors! What is with this group and their blacks, grays, and browns!

  • Kenisha Hill Phillips

    Kilt + ball boy shirt from winning team = win

  • Is NO One going to mention the ANTLER NECKLACE?

    • Stubenville

      It just screams I’m I like a manly man, doesn’t it.

    • EveEve

      We explored that territory in the Lounge last night.  I imagine it was hard to lean over a sewing machine with that erotic enhancer getting in the way.

  • FifiDubois

    I think the kilt should have won.  Maybe he should have reinterpreted it as a skort.

  • LC3203

    This episode pissed me off. The kilt, while done was the winner for me. And thank you. The tag is Balls are my business. Either embrace it or change it. It’s confusing as it is. Is this a gay ping pong club?
    Also, since when are people clamoring so much for fucking ping pong that it necessitates an entire club?

    • hellkell

       The kilt is brilliant and works for men and women. I’d wear that look.

  • Was there any way they WEREN’T going to get surfer with that model’s Laird Hamilton hair? Somebody needed a longer stay with Loreal Paris.

  • CarolinLA

    To Morticia/Cindy’s credit, she did right by her team when she pointed out that another (younger) team member would produce a more sexy design on one of the items than she would.  And instead, she offered her construction skills to this challenge.  I give her points for being self aware enough to know that and then to voice it.

    • libraangel

      Maybe. But producing a very conservative jacket – although well-made and o.k. – for a bar/pin-pong club is being clueless.

    • I agree that was a very smart comment by her. I wonder why no one else on her team followed through with it during construction, or maybe they did not get the hint.

  • MintaHallWriter

    I agree that this was a good episode overall. While the designers had a yawn of an assignment, a number of them did a very nice job at trying to rise to the challenge and do something clever.  I didn’t even mind Cindy’s jacket, even if it was too formal. It was (at least) very well constructed. She’s cannon fodder in the next few weeks because she’s not exactly fashion forward, but her skills appear to be very good.  And I like her.  I’m sure she’ll never make the final group (or anything close to that) because Heidi doesn’t like her At All. But I like her.  Go, Cindy, Go!!!

    I also agree that they dumped the right guy this time.  His look was a hot mess.  Maybe appropriate for Venice Beach, home of the cray-cray, but I can’t imagine many other places it would look good.

    Overall, at least while they’re dumping the least skilled, this season is pretty good. Not an A, and remarkably short on overall drama (YAY!!!), but worth watching.  I am enjoying both the team critiques with Tim’s guidance and the judges’ comments. So far…so good. Hope it lasts, but sooner or later they’ll identify a “favorite son” who gets ridiculous amounts of praise for not very much, and the show will descend into a crap-fest. Again…

    I guess I need a happy pill, huh?

    Okay, anyone want to bet that the Dream Team starts picking at each other next week?  Unless they arbitrarily even things up by drafting one person from the winning team to even up the numbers?

    • libraangel

      The Dream Team is already picking at each other now!

  • GTrain

    I had a lot of eyerolls throughout this episode what with everyone –designers and judges — acting like a bunch of middle schoolers, giggling about balls this and balls that. 

  • kimmeister

    I’m grateful for the recap here, because everything looked so dark on my TV screen I could hardly distinguish any design details (especially in Stanley’s look).

  • Tracy_Flick

    I really thought the vest and skort look with the tight white tee was PURE 1993. It looked really dated and standard-restaurant to me. I bet you could find 100 restaurants in the US that have some version of black vest and shorts over white t-shirt as a uniform. The silly lapels and the built-in apron weren’t enough to rescue it.

    Having said that, the challenge was so narrow that I’m not sure there was really anywhere else to go. 

  • Lilithcat

    Y’know, what this episode needed was Tim and Heidi facing off over a ping-pong table.

    • She already gives him a great big shove in the opening credits. How rude, harming a frail old man like that. She ought to respect her elders!

  • George Mortimer

    As per usual, agree with everything you’ve said. Only surprised you don’t give your thoughts on Zac Posen. I have to say, I really enjoyed his contributions this week. Accurate, helpful, to the point, without any serving of crack. Could be a good addition!

  • PureMichigan29

    What I don’t understand is that no one picked up on the fact that there are little orange balls all over the place. What would have been wrong with a cute little short sleeve white top with orange polka dots? Perhaps 3 different styles for the female servers, that way they can pick the one that fits their body type? That signature print would unmistakably identify people who work there. Super missed opportunity there!! 

    • libraangel

      Joseph wanted to do polka dots, but Richard said no to that idea

  • Janet B

    Love the kilt idea. If that’s your slogan you gotta own it, really.
    Really liked the black and white T for the ball boys, anyone could have worn it.
    Skorts are a good idea, but not innovative. 
    Hate, hate, tank tops on guys unless they are doing something physical outside.

    My teens are in a pipe band and wear kilts frequently, the only guys that are uncomfortable about it are about 10 years old and in their first year.

  • Lisa_Cop

    Only now realized (from screen cap) that Tim was wearing orange neon pants with his ugly brown denim jacket. Oh Tim:((

    • BuffaloBarbara

       Maybe he’s sending coded messages to the Bitter Kittens…

  • shanteUstay

    Oh Lordy the kilt! The kilt, the kilt, the kilt!
    I don’t care how chic or fashionable it is. If you have the unfortunate drudgery of wearing a uniform AND being active. IMO A kilt is silly. As a woman I cringe at the thought of bending over in a skirt, so why would a typical(sadly not fashion savy) working joe American male wear one while having to dip and dop chasing after ping-pong balls. With that added Immaturity of having that silly slogan panneled on their crotch.

  • PureMichigan29

    SPiN is a great place! I stumbled upon it with my husband once when we were visiting my in-laws in Manhattan. I had SO much fun! There are always people there who are serious, but they tend to be in the corners and only there early to avoid the drunkies. 

  • Derek_anny

    I think a lot of the drearyness came from the designers, not the challenge.  They all seemed to focus on “restaurant in NYC” and missed completely the “ping pong club” part of the equation.  And a lot of them seemed to miss the fact that the current uniform was a plain t-shirt, not exactly toward the formal end of things.

    I gave my win vote to the Richard/Joseph shirt.  Fun, yet still uniform.

  • Sweetpea176

     That skort was short!  I wouldn’t want to wear it as part of my job!

  • SRQkitten

    Was having a hard time staying awake while watching this last night. Just really didn’t find it all that of interest and while it is a real world design issue, compared with the postal service challenge, well, this was a snoozer.


  • bitchybitchybitchy

    As much as I like Susan Sarandon, honey, when “Balls are My Business” is your club’s slogan, you are out of line in getting offended.
    As for the designs, there isn’t anything here that I find either eye-searingly bad or particularly interesting, other than the kilt, which strikes me as a clever idea-but then, I write that as someone whose spouse was once a member of a bagpipe band, and I can attest that a man in a kilt is quite attractive!

  • Sally Brownson

    Much as I love the kilt, I understand why they didn’t think it was good for a uniform. The model looked really good in the kilt and tank combo, but the average ball-boy probably doesn’t have a model body.

  • Sweetpea176

    This was supposed to be a reply to someone upthread who was making the point that no one seemed to be concerned about what the female employees would want to wear.

    • Sweetpea176

      Oh, I give up.

  • i just wanna say, this was a pathetic episode, why on earth some brazilian native won a challenge doing pretty much nothing, cause clearly it was all the work of the lady beth with a mustache???
    and then, why susan sarandon is acting so bitchie? i mean, some people really should stick to what god gave them, being a great actress doesnt make u any better… bitchwise

  • wawawah

    It was a BORING challenge with even more BORING designers! Geez…how many more episodes of this crap are left?

  • kikisayshi

     First of all, I am still cracking up because Tim said “Wackadoodle”. Secondly, I don’t know how much more I’ll be able to listen to Zac Posen. Something about him irritates the hell out of me. Maybe it’s just because he’s no Duchess.

  • David Cannon

    Can I just register my general shock at the amount of unqualified and not-backhanded praise we heard in the interviews from these designers for their peers this time around? I’m pleasantly surprised.

    Perhaps there’s a bit of game-playing as these designer contestants quickly adjust to the team challenge theme of the season and adjust their interview personae accordingly (i.e. attempt to present themselves as team players), but still.

  • Lattis

    This episode was ok (damned by faint praise).

    The winning uniform is almost identical to the waitresses uniforms at a brew pub we go to. 

    Also have to say – man I hated jobs that I had to wear a uniform for.

  • demidaemon

    If we’re going by what’s been seen so far, everyyone who was auffed REALLy deserved to be auffed. Emily (I think that was her name) clearly had no business being in the competition (if it weren’t for the the twist, she would have had a naked model) and James was making Wal-Mart clothes. I’m sure later on your prophecy may come to pass, but, for now, I am just going to enjoy the show as is.

  • demidaemon

    I never said there wasn’t any producer manipulation. I can’t say anything about the earpieces you are referring to because I haven’t seen them nor am I looking for them. All-Stars was clearly manipulated, but I have said this before when people bring up TPTB: Heidi is a producer on Project Runway and, now, so is Tim. That’s why I find this argument without much merit. When one of the producers is a judge, they are already influencing proceedings (and it’s right there in the fine print of the judging). I also don’t think it is fair to lump all reality competition shows together. Top Chef and RPDR both still have quite a bit of respectability, and they clearly don’t have scripts (except, in the case of RPDR, whatever scripts the drag queens come with in their heads).

    All that said, yes, I was irritated with the blatant (and frankly confusing) producer manipulation in All-Stars and the ultimate outcome and snub of Uli. Am I going to let it ruin my enjoyment of PR S11. No. Am I going to spend every moment looking for the “fix?” No. I watch it for an entertaining 90 minutes of television and to comment on whatever cracktastic stuff designers can come up with. It’s frankly not worth getting this up in arms about. And everything can’t be manipulated, or else they would just have someone come in and make the clothes for them so that the auf order would result in the “designated ” winner.

    I want to say something else here, but I feel as if I have already written too much about this, to the point where Disqus will just stop letting me type for minutes at a time. So, calm down, enjoy it for what it is, and have fun. Though I do wonder if, following the outcome of S10, whether or not we would be having this same discussion.

  • demidaemon

    Also on your point that team challenges always produce the worst stuff, in S3, Laura B. and Michael were able to temper Angela into a pretty cool looking outfit and in S4, two oft mentioned pinnacle moments in PR history, Chris and Christian’s organza gown and Victoria and Jillian’s coat, were the result of team challenges. (I know these examples may get dismissed as “in the past/Bravo” seasons, but still, you have to admit that “always” is overshooting).

    I also expect we’ll see challenges like this one (a limited number of related looks that deal with a design brief) mixed in with “here’s an inspiration, everyone make their own look but we’ll have group critique” (such as the first challenge; this is where a designer gets to showcase their own style, but really they should be doing it with every challenge; this challenge was kind of a miss on that front, and would have been whether they were working in teams or not) and perhaps one or two “make a cohesive collection” challenges.

    • guest2visits

      I think I said almost always – and I stick by it. The majority of team created stuff ranges from sad mess to safe but meh.
      Even the occasional surprising design that looks pleasing; often still looks like two people put it together. There’s something
      abit wonky about the fit or the way things lay; probably because everyone handles the materials differently – it’s like an
      individual’s brushstroke; unless they’ve worked together awhile I think it’s hard to be in sync, or match up perfectly. I don’t
      know if I can explain it very well.  
      But that’s not the big deal for me; it’s that I don’t get to see the individual point of view from the designers. Who knows
      what they could have done on their own; without having to accept alot of decisions made by strangers as to how they
      should complete the challenge. It’s teams, not really designers; just pieces of designers.
      Unless you’re lucky enough to make a garment all on your own; it comes down to someone making a top and someone making a bottom – of something.  And it doesn’t matter if it’s all nicey-kissy-face-let-me-get-you-a-cup-of-tea; or if it’s anger,
      frustration, tears and naughty words; I don’t care. It’s STILL about making parts. For a compromise. Blech. Boring.
      Am I supposed to follow who did what sleeve or what jaunty little pocket? I don’t care.  Who gets how much credit and for
      what little item – shoot me now.  It’s not likely to be an accurate representation of the designer; so why does it matter.
      And yes, I think it makes it easier for archaic decisions by the judges (producers) when it’s teams.
      You mentioned that at the end of the day, they all have to make it work; which is fine if you’re not the one designated to
      make a vest from a fabric you would never have chosen to begin with, in a style that makes you hurt. It’s almost out of
      their hands. Teams. Yay. 
      And don’t worry; just because I have something to say about some reality show BS, doesn’t mean I’m losing sleep over it.

  • demidaemon

    Hey, I thought that outfit was pretty cool.

  • I too liked the focus on design over drama but the remit was just so dull!
    On a separate note, please, please, please will you do your ‘judging the judges’ posts! 🙂

  • even if there were restictions on colour, although I don’t remember them saying it had to be black, they could have done so much more with the logo pattern and phrase.

  • also zac posen is a younger kors. got successful because of who he knew not what he designs. then again at least he didn’t marry a rich guy to become a fashion designer, he was born into money.

  • It was E2, not E3.

  • grif wolf

    I thought the kilt would win, agree that the placement of the (stupid) logo was tacky. What’s with Susan Saradon not knowing what a skort was? I thought they were from the 60’s. She has always annoyed me beyond belief- and the way she had to trounce out on the stage to stand by Heidi- what guest judge has ever done that before? Actresses!

    • BeccaGo

      Almost all of them…?

  • VivianAdvanced

    Were the designers told to use the colors they chose? I thought brown was depressing. Michelle’s model looked like a server at a monastery. I don’t get the excitimulation (a word my talking bird made up) over the winning apron/shorts design. I really thought Joseph and Richard deserved the win because theirs was eye-catchy enough to be worthy of a joint owned by an A-List star. And, like T&L, I couldn’t understand why they were blushing over the placement of the dumb slogan. I mean, it’s supposed to be a naughty little double entendre. Why get all hot and bothered over the graphic being placed in the obvious area? For some reason, a ping-pong-oriented nightclub seems quite unappealing to me. I have nothing against ping-pong, but all the action of the players and the guys trying to rescue the balls mixed with loud music, waiters and waitresses navigating around and people yakking just make it look like a real annoying night out.

    • Lattis

      “server at a monastery” made me laugh 🙂

      I thought the brown color scheme was a really bad idea, too.

    • Your bird sounds like a character. And yes to what you said about Michelle’s outfit. 

  • Sweetbetty

     Culottes and gauchos are are little more than pants, from knee-length to calf-length, that are made very full in the leg so that when the wearer is standing still with her legs together it looks like they could be wearing a skirt.  Some culottes were carefully tailored with creases at the front and back so that it looked like a tailored skirt with a box pleat when standing still.  Skorts and scooter skirts were knee-length or shorter with a panel across the front that made it look like a skirt but from the back the split of the two legs was visible, unless the designer chose to put a panel across the back too.  When I was in HS in the 60s we weren’t allowed to wear pants to school, only dresses and skirts.  When culottes became popular we all jumped on them but some of them were little more than very wide-legged shorts and some girls were sent home to change clothes.  They had to really look like a skirt to be allowed in school.

  • Sweetbetty

     They need to take lessons from former Playboy Bunnies who were taught  how to serve by bending their knees and leaning backwards.  In their case it was to avoid showing too much cleavage, though.

  • Sweetbetty

     Putting a spin on a ping pong ball is important.  Almost any game played with a ball involves putting a spin on it.  I’m not a physics major or a sports nut but I’ve heard about the importance of putting a spin on golfballs, baseballs, footballs, and ping pong balls.  But the ball spins around its own axis, not in swirling tornadoes such as you mention.  Googling will provide the details. 

  • This challenge had the framework of one I might have encountered on The Apprentice years back. It was actually pretty interesting though and had the plus of being sans Trump. Okay, one of these is enough. Hopefully no more please.

  • Stubenville

    Lose the hat and we could have had a winner. Those buttons do resemble ping-pong balls.   =)

  • Trisha26

    No apologies. I loved the kilt (just make the tank top a Tee). I loved the slogan – and the placement. I am appalled at the judges’ reaction to both it and the slogan. I think people all over NYC would flock to the club just to see the ball boys in kilts. C’mon!

  • Sweetbetty

     When I was a little girl in the ’50s my “good” winter outerwear was always a wool coat with matching close-fitting pants that my mom called leggins.  I’m sure the proper word was “leggings” but I never heard anyone emphasize the “g” on the end.  I now find it very difficult to say “leggings”; it makes me feel pretentious and affected.

  • I think the kilt, it if was styled better with the logo on a coordinating tee would have been better,  but I wonder if the hot guys wearing them would have to deal with patrons pawing at and pulling up their kilts?  If they did go with the kilts, they’d have to wear biker shorts under them! 

  • allcapsERINN

    Sexy male models! That one guy turned me into a KILT LOVER!

    That is all.

    • I know-those models were the bomb, especially that one. 

  • annyb

    How does the winning look on a waitress who’s not a size 2, I wonder? Perhaps that club doesn’t hire them, though.

  • adnama79

    I agree with everything TLo posted here.

  • adnama79

    I’m loving Daniel and his friendly ways.  That’s how we do in Texas, y’all.  (Don’t ask me to explain James.)

  • adnama79

    I would wear Michelle’s, but I wouldn’t want to wear it all the time.  

    • libraangel

      Ah yes, but is it suitable for a restaurant server?

      • adnama79

        For a fun casual place, sure. The elastic would make it suitable for a lot of body types and the uniqueness would make the servers easy to spot.

        • libraangel

          Do you think it’s too long?

  • PhillipWilde

    Is nobody going to mention the fact that this was not actually a kilt?  A kilt only has pleats in the back.  If the pleats go all the way around, you have a skirt.

    That being said, it didn’t look all that bad, and they were definitely overreacting about having the innuendo-laced slogan on the crotch.

  • jillwrites

    Due to a DVR problem, I only caught the end of the episode.  I honestly thought they were creating costumes for a character in the second Hunger Games movie.  

    • libraangel

      I love it! LOL

  • Amy

    I’m just as frustrated as most people on this board.  And the idea that there was any shame in putting the ball slogan over a crotch is absurd. If anything, I wish more of the designers had been playful and as tongue and cheek with it!  “Balls to the wall” would have been the better slogan as well. I kept thinking Sarandon was an idiot for not going that route, or embracing the humor of it but the real shock is that this place was even founded by her. Do we seriously need a fusion of ping pong and night club? Is the trend even going to last? Are waiters really going to enjoy having balls fly in their face (no pun intended) or worse, into their food as they cross the room? Are people really going to sign up to see waiters who are ashamed of a little humor on their uniforms and like to wear drab outfits? Come on….there are worst offense like “flare” and a low cut Hooters tank and workers have survived. In NYC especially! what your celeb friends do  and just open a stark restaurant and call it a day. Oh and for everyone’s sake, please have nothing to do with the staff’s wardrobe.

  • ccm800

    I’m not sure why James ever got on to begin with. I am more than a little peeved that they put the old gal on just because she’s old. Some bored old wealthy wife of a funeral director looking for a hobby getting the spot who;s dream it is to be a designer JUSt to fill the “old one” slot is ridiculous.  As for unpopular land – I would have MUCH rather see Nina leave than Michael. I assume that it was solely his choice. She bores the life out of me, always has and her criticisms are like a pull string see and say :Its very editorial, It’s very commercial…blah blah blah.

    you guys hit the nail on the head with the cringing over HER slogan. A dumb slogan btw.

    • libraangel

      They could have at least put a more stylish “old” ( and she isn’t that old – she dresses older than her years) designer on.

  • Michelle can go anytime now, as far as I’m concerned. She’s got an 80s hairstyle (those were bad enough the first go-round) and is turning out 90s clothes. The (un)color, or dun-color of her dress was offensive to my eyes.  And her attitude is awful. All of her constant lamentation and wailing that “she hopes the weakest people don’t make HER team lose again” is particularly annoying considering what she presented. Just -ugh-. I haven’t viscerally disliked a designer this much since “the guy who is mean to people’s Moms” was around. If they’re going to keep her on the show, they please need to give her fewer talking head segments. 

  • I’m stealing the denim kilt idea. It’s that good.

  • I love that Ms. Susan was all up. in. arms. about her own slogan. It was like, “You’re mentioning balls? Disgusting! What a classless pile of garbage! … No one mention Rock Horror or me making up the slogan.” Well played.

  • libraangel

    I am having a brain fart or something because I thought I typed the following yesterday. Guess not, so I’ll repeat. I read Josh’s blog on the “other” site, and it showed a photo of a server explaining things to some designers. They all were wearing pink, which I don’t know if it would work for this challenge, but it was refreshing to see a color on the t-shirts! I realize black is probably more practical for servers, but may be an orange would have worked? Color, please, designers!

  • Rachel Schain

    I’ve been to SPiN.  It’s a fun place.  It was the night before Halloween so Susan Sarandon was there busing tables in her costume – one of the Marx Brothers.  

  • Super_Red

    honestly, I really loved this episode- finally got a chance to catch it today- I was so excited that they were going to a design-based challenge, and it was really refreshing hearing positive comments coming from the talking heads section. And Daniel is just adorable. 

    I found myself agreeing with the judges on the top three/bottom three- except for Stanley’s… I don’t have a problem with it being in the top three, but it didn’t strike me as great as they made it out to be. 

    The idea of a kilt is definitely intriguing to me, but I also disliked the logo placement. “Balls in my business” is a whatever slogan, but placed over a crotch is just tacky. 

    Yay for two solid episodes of project runway! Was I edge-of-my-seat excited? eh, not so much, but I enjoyed it quite a bit.