T LOunge

Posted on August 23, 2012

Jesus, Mary and Oprah, darlings; WE NEED A DRINK.

 

Gilt Bar, New York City

Join us, won’t you? We’re hot; we want carbs, and Yahoo! Sports linked to our Serena Williams post, sending droves of horny fanboys our way and causing the site to go all kinds of cray-cray for an hour or two there. We, for our parts, responded by running around and yelling while our cats looked on drowsily. They’re used to this sort of thing. Our friends didn’t used to call us “Lucy and Ricky” for nothing, y’know.

Fashion designer Alice Temperley, Nina Garcia, Michael Kors, and Heidi Klum

 Blahblahblah. Who do we have to blow to get a drink around here?

 

We didn’t even look at the preview. You guys tell us what it says. We’re gonna get a tab started. Top shelf okay with y’all?

 

[Photo Credit:  Xavi Menós for ninagarcia.com, giltnewyork.com - Video: myLifetime.com]

    • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

      I had a feeling something had gone wonky that was beyond even your powers for good to control.  As for me, home with some sort of wonky thing or other, internally, but a glass of champagne will set me up just fine.  As long as someone will join me if I’m buying?

      • mjude

        i will join you for a glass.  i have been all day without TLO.  on second thought can i have my own bottle?

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           But of course!  Barkeep!,….

          • Miss_Magpie

            May I join this lovely group drinking Champers?  It makes me all bubbly and sparkely, and sounds diVINE right now!

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               Absolutely, Miss_Magpie.  There’s plenty to go round.  And we all want to see you get bubbly and sparkely.

            • Miss_Magpie

              Aw, thanks!  Shame I am still at the office – I make it home JUST IN TIME to watch it live, but usually do so with a Tevo delay so I can actually relax with a drink before starting!

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               I’ll be seeing it late too, since I’m in SF and they don’t show till 9 PM.  All teh east coast Kittens will be drunk and in bed by then.

            • alyce1213

              Or watching a rerun and wondering why.

            • HM3

              I’m on the East Coast, and ours doesn’t air until 9:00 either. Despite the time difference, it’s just late enough for me, too.

      • http://www.wordydoodles.com WordyDoodles

        Oh, absolutely!

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           really.  get ready for someone to end up in tears. This IS the real woman challenge after all, and some designer is going to say/do something hugely rude and condescending.

          • Sobaika

            That’s a given.

          • Kristin McNamara

            I’m pretty sure they showed one of the “real woman” clients crying in the preview last week…. My money’s on Gunnar and/or Ven.

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               I’m voting for Ven.  He seems to operate so above everyone else as to be flatly unaware of what he says having any effect on anyone.

            • Kristin McNamara

              I believe they showed him commenting on how annoying it is to dress “plus-sized” people too, which had me rolling my eyes and thinking loudly, “Come on… you’re no stick figure yourself, there, Ven!” (PS- I’m allowed to say that cuz I’m a chubster myself.) Hypocritical, jerky move, Buster.

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               I too, was thinking that he ought to take a good look at himself before launching such criticisms.  I also have my shape and size stuff going on.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

               This is the episode guaranteed to make me batshit crazy by the end of it.  There will be much gnashing of teeth.  Because of things like “it’s hard to dress ‘plus-sized’ women.”  IF YOU THINK OF THEM AS JUST WOMEN INSTEAD, IT’S REALLY NOT!!!

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               And any one of these supposed professionals should know how to draft a pattern to size.  It shouldn’t make any difference whatever what size your client is.  Mathematics is Mathematics.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

               And body SHAPES don’t change!  A size two hourglass looks good in the same silhouettes as a size 18 hourglass! 

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

              Exactly. My second gig is designing and making costumes for private clients, and I have yet to have a model size client. Nearly everyone has something about their proportions that is not standard.  Its stopped being an issue for me in college when I learned pattern drafting.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              First of all, who do they plan to sell these clothes to, if they can only be made in model sizes?!?  That is not a good business plan!  And secondly, if you can’t personally handle the pattern, make a damn wrap dress and call it a day.  I have yet to find anyone who looks really bad in one, and I made 2 in about 3 hours last weekend, so they should certainly be able to manage it!

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               There is hardly a person out there, of either sex who has not been shopping only to discover that nothing quite fits as it ought to.  The whole idea of standard sizes fails in one real way, it cannot address the subtle irregularities of our bodies.

            • Sweetbetty

               Even people who sew for themselves  often find they have to fiddle with the pattern to get the fit right and it might take several tries.

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               The part that is hardest is that everyone’s body is slightly larger on one side.  So making something custom, always needs subtle shifts to allow for that.

            • Sweetbetty

               And fitting something to the body by pinning the seams while wearing the garment inside out doesn’t work.

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               I have one phrase for you. Tailor’s chalk.  Its your best friend.

            • Sweetbetty

               I’m never without it ;->

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

               I have chalk pencils in 7 different colors.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Louise-Bryan/1177213326 Louise Bryan

              Pretty amazing how skinny these replies get.  :-)

            • MilaXX

               I tailor a lot of my clothes, even my shoes often have to go to the shop in order to work on my body.

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

              I bet you look awesome.

            • MilaXX

              thanks boo. I try.

            • MilaXX

               Anyone who doesn’t think plus sized gals can be fashionable should check out Gabifresh, or The Curvy Ga’s Guide to style or Marie Denee aka The Curvy Fashionista. These are blogs I check regularly for plis size fashion inspiration. Gabi was even featured on The Today Show for her fatkini posts.

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

              The only real reason why the larger gals have trouble being fashionable, is that the industry doesn’t bother to size for them, or even consider their existence. Sure, it takes more fabric to make a larger garment, but you spread the cost across the entire size range and it works out fine.

            • MilaXX

              honestly if it’s well made I don’t mind spending the extra cash

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

               And not only that, but why should a plus be more expensive, but tiny sizes aren’t cheaper?

            • Sweetbetty

               It’s always bugged me that the plus sizes (the break is usually between size 18 and 20) cost more.  If the justification is that they take more fabric then why doesn’t a size 12 cost more than a size 4 or a size 24 cost more than a size 20? 

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

              There are two ways that would be fair.  The price rises based on the increase in materials, all across the range. Or, you average the price across the entire range of sizes. so the price is uniform for all.  For my money, I would choose the second option.

            • isidore256

              Part of the reason is, they mill fabric at a standard width. Up to a certain size (say 18), they can lay out a size 0 next to the 18, the size 4 next to the 16 and so on, but for size 20 they can’t lay out anything next to and the rest of the width gets wasted. Of course, fabric is only one small part of the total cost of making a garment…

            • MilaXX

               in other words, he’s a dick

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

              I will reserve final judgement, based on further evidence.

            • muzan-e

              Ven – or Christopher. Who will understand the necessity of politeness, and may even believe in his heart that politeness is important – and who won’t even realise what he’s said wrong until someone explains it to him.

            • Sweetbetty

               And then will spend the rest of the show fake-apologizing with his wide-eyed innocent look that he didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings and was only trying to be helpful.

            • Spicytomato1

              Yes but if your money is on them, chances are it’s someone else. I do not trust the previews anymore…they seem to be created purely to throw us chumps, ahem, viewers off.

            • lilibetp

              I’m amazed at how sweet Guynnar is being.  I can’t help but feel like this is the real Gunnar, though, and he was just pretending to be a jerk before.  Maybe he thought he had to act that way to get screen time.

          • MilaXX

             and while I am hating on Ven for his remarks, let me also say eff u to the producers for always framing a “real woman” challenge this way. Just once can’t we please see designers acting adult about dressing a body over a size 10?

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               Amen!   How about dealing with reality. It IS supposed to be a reality show, no?

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              No, because Gunnar’s model isn’t tiny and he’s been a doll about it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FDQR3MXFKMHKQCSXT5J7HXSSIM jo

        I’ll contribute a bottle of La Grande Dame, if you keep me entertained with pithy comments.  I always love your observations :)

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           I will do my best, though out here in the Left Coast we don’t get it till 9PM.

          • Funkykatt

            Over here in Sacramento. I feel jilted sometime but then I remember we don’t have to deal with snow. 

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               True enough.  I don’t miss the punishing winters at all. (from Pittsburgh Pa., originally)

            • Sweetbetty

               Did you ever come by my town Williamsport, like for the Little League World Series that’s going on right now?

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               When I was a little kid, yeah.  But not since then.  I had a maiden  Great Aunt who lived there.  But she passed away many years back now.

          • Kate4queen

            I’m in Hawaii at the moment, so I won’t be getting the show at all-living for the comments here tonight LOL

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               What?  It doesn’t air in Hawaii at all?  That is just wrong!

            • Kate4queen

              It does air, I just don’t have a T.V. here :) I’m supposed to be writing, LOL

        • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

          La Grande Dame??  Oooh, somebody who really knows about champagne!  Although I prefer vintage P-J, in the flower bottle.  (Nurse Ellen, who can’t sign in to Disqus for some reason)

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

             My current fave is Saint Hillaire Method Ancien’. Its delightful, not overly fruity, but with lots of character, and has the distinction of being the oldest producer of champagne in the world.  PLUS, its reasonable. 16.99 at my local grocer.

            • Miss_Magpie

              Duly noted, and thanks!

      • AlexisPayne

        I’ll take a Manhattan and sit in a big comfy arm chair.

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           (handing over drink)
          If you’ve nothing nice to say, come sit by me. (Evilgrin)

          • AlexisPayne

            Looks like we’ll have lot’s to talk about :) 
            Cheers!

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

              (rubbing hands together in anticipatory glee)

      • ballerinawithagun

        Love champagne. Makes me giggle, which is just what we need for this season.

      • EveEve

        If there’s still room at the bar, I’m in for a Campari on the rocks.  Double. It’s been a week…

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           Naturally we will make room for you.  Barman, set my friend up with a tall one!

          • EveEve

            Oh thank goodness,  because pre-season football has taken over the big screen telly in our home, and I need to surround myself with bitter kittens as far away from that room as possible. 

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               There there, dear.  None of the nasty football players can get you when I’m around.

            • Lisa

              Oh, honey, how awful!  No football for you, don’t worry – we’ll protect you!

      • NDC_IPCentral

        Feel better, Kiltdntiltd!  I’m sure that a very brut Champagne will be the perfect restorative. The upside of the bug is that you get to watch tonight’s histrionics in real time and can yammer here in the Lounge with the other BKs.  Then again, given that “histrionics” only begins to characterize the “real person” challenge, maybe it’s not an upside after all.

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           Thanks NDC!  I just hope I stay awake long enough.  lol

      • MilaXX

         I’d have to be at death’s door to turn down champagne

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

          I’ll help you hold the glass to your lips.

    • Sobaika

      A round of tequila shots are on me. It’s been a rough day/week.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      Heidi is looking quite professional. Usually she suggests an entirely different sort of profession.

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

         Snorting with laughter.
        perhaps “Hoochie Mama” is the profession you were thinking of?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

          Usually it’s like Absolutely Fabulous: “Hemlines so high the world is your gynecologist” 

      • Rebecca J.

        HAH!!  actually out loud.  That was funny, Eric.

    • GorgeousThings

      I am so there with you! I would like a shot of Patron silver to start the evening, and I intend to keep drinking until I fall asleep. Just throw a pashmina over me if I start snoring, mmkay?

      • mjude

        promise!

      • BrooklynBomber

        mmm… if we’re going Patron, I’ll take an anejo, please.
        Clink, my dear!

      • Call me Bee

        I’d like to join you.  I’ll have a Stoli on the rocks with a couple of olives, please.  And then I”ll have to be off, as The Hubs and I willbe taking the fast ferry to the fine state of Michigan this evening.  We’ve been wanting to do this for a few years, and now we have an excuse.  “The Hounds”, i.e. our two cocker spaniels, are coming, too.  We’ll be driving around Lake Michigan for the next few days.   Unfrotunately I can’t watch PR till they post it online.  :(  But I’ll be checking in here as much as I can from the middle of the lake…

        • NDC_IPCentral

          Enjoy the spin ’round the western coast of My Old Home State, Bee.  There should be some good cherries all along the coast, especially up in Traverse.  O, the ferry!  Only took it once or twice, but it was pretty nifty.

        • Peeve

           Can I come, too? I grew up in Michigan, and there’s some great little towns along Lake Michigan. Saugatuck (south of Grand Rapids), Charlevoix & Petosky come to mind. Along with Traverse City, as NDC_IPCentral mentions. Man, I really miss that area!

    • muzan-e

      New haircut for the first time in two years.  After nodding patiently as I hurled single-word indictments, Kors-like (curly! coarse! fine! limp! frizzy-frizzy-frizzy!) she reached her fingers into the godawful mess of it all, wiggled them a bit in some arcane manner, and -

      ta-da!

      -bouyant, richly textured, colourful, and short enough that I can see my own cheekbones.  I do not understand this magic. I hardly dared to ask. All I know is that my Very Awful Hair has never looked this good, and that I would be happy to buy drinks for everyone all night long, as I feel a desperate need to sing and throw money at people. Money or, y’know, some seriously fabulous cocktails.

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

         Congratulations!  A great haircut is a wonderful way to lift your spirits. I will happily lift some spirits with you!

        • muzan-e

          Cheers! And what a gorgeous counter to be collapsed under by evening’s end.

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

             I’ll pour you into a cab, at evening’s end.

      • BrooklynBomber

        I’m more happy for you than you can imagine. If you live in NY please tell me who your magician is.

        • muzan-e

          If I lived in NY, I’d have done this long before. *g* But no; we’re out in the sticks, where the bleached-tip perm reins supreme. Her magic is not only marvelous but rare.  I must advise her to  travel. *g*

          • BrooklynBomber

            Yikes, “bleach-tip perm” — the mind reels!!!

          • LesYeuxHiboux

             They’re still stuck on two-tone here (think Christina in her Dirrrty days). Skunk hair and belly rings for everyone!

            • Kayceed

              Horrors.

        • Lisa

          I live in NY, and I’m seeing my magician on Saturday!  I go to Bumble & Bumble on 56th between Lex & 3rd, if you’re interested.

          • BrooklynBomber

            Thanks, Lisa. I actually have someone here in B’klyn I’m pretty happy with; I was just so struck by the original description of that other magician’s handiwork!

      • Lisa

        Oh, congrats!  There’s nothing more awesome than finding someone who can do fantastical things to your hair!

      • formerlyAnon

        Congrats! Find the person who understands how to cut your hair, and all is right with the world!

    • Amy Ellinger

      Hook a girl up with a Jameson 12-year or a Talisker 10-year and all will be well.

    • miagain

      So that’s Alice Temperley…

    • http://twitter.com/nyazgirl NYAZGIRL

      Good baby jesus in the GD hay, I need a Tanqueray and Tonic, stat!

      • LesYeuxHiboux

         Send one my way while you’re at it!

        • http://twitter.com/nyazgirl NYAZGIRL

          you got it!!

    • lintvedta

      mmm this is the “real woman” challenge isn’t it?  always underwhelmed by those…

    • Sweetbetty

      I just drank a can of Bud Light with my dinner so I hope I’m not too lowbrow to join y’all.  This is the earliest I’ve ever tuned into the Lounge; only one comment so far, but maybe that’s because of the wonkiness.

      In the pic of the judges Heidi’s makeup looks awfully harsh and that dress, with its drooping stripes set off by the horizontal line of the belt just looks like it’s five sizes too big for her but she cinched on that belt and wore it anyhow.  And who is she to be calling someone a hoochie-mamma when every week she’s calling for more skin, more sexiness.  Loved how Michael had to translate for the guest judge, though :-)

      • janetjb

        Bud Light is perfect for a hot steamy day, tonight I’m drinking an Anchor Steam with my dinner. 

      • BrooklynBomber

        Too lowbrow?? This is Project Runway we’re talking about. On Lifetime for Victims. Flip that pop top or pop that flip top and drink up!

    • Judy_J

      Heidi’s goin’ all gangsta on us!  That alone calls for a drink!  Tanqueray and Tonic for me, please.  It’s the perfect summer drink!

      • http://www.ellenciompi.com/ NurseEllen

        If I can’t have champagne, I’ll take a Campari & soda, with lime.  Another perfect summer drink!

    • http://www.lippsisters.com/ Deborah Lipp

      I’m thinking vodka martini.
       

    • http://press-for-attention.tumblr.com/ Miss Jen K

      So…grad school orientations are eye-opening, especially when you have to teach for the first time in your life! It’s like I’ve landed on Mars along with Rover.

      I think all of us need a good drink today. I’m glad TLo and the Bitter Kittens are here.

      • SnackBandit

         I just had my GS orientation this week as a student…I haven’t been so awkward since freshman year of high school.  *takes a shot*

        • http://press-for-attention.tumblr.com/ Miss Jen K

           I never realized how uncomfortable I am talking to people I don’t know! I’m SO awkward. Cheers to us, haha!

    • 3boysful

      Happy to join ya’ll!  As summer is waning, I will have a last refreshing  “lite” Pina Colada:  Coconut rum and a splash of pineapple juice,  topped off with club soda. 

      • Miss_Magpie

        Oooh, that sounds tasty!

    • Jasmaree

      That preview just shows how far PR has fallen. Enough about the clothes! I don’t even care about the characters. I just want to hear Heidi talk gangsta!

    • CarolinLA

      With the real world women challenges, there should be a demerit system for any designer that treats their client like shit for not having a model body.  For example, if the asshole designer makes it through to the next round, then their Mood budget should be cut by a third for the next challenge.  

      • 3boysful

         Sterling idea, CarolinLA!  From your lips to B-M’s ears.  Your drink’s on me.

        • CarolinLA

          I’m ready when you are, 3boysful!

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         I think the clients should get to stick a designer with a pin every time they feel jilted over their body — I can think of some that would die the death of a thousand cuts by the end of the challenge.

      • Lisa

        Oooh, I like that a lot!

    • Maria Rosenfire

      I thought for a second that the place was called the Clit Bar, and that big red structure in the back wasn’t helping that impression.

      The plan for tonight: broccoli casserole, home-made black bean burgers, and a bottle of Malbec with my name on it.

    • kimmeister

      Is Heidi actually providing some competition for Nina this week in the judges’ fashion department?!?

      • BrooklynBomber

        I dunno…. I’m not sure the antidote to tight and shiny is loose and droopy…….

      • Lisa_Cop

        I think so. Nina looks unusually drab here.

    • http://twitter.com/MajorBedhead MajorBedhead

      Jesus tap-dancing Christ, I’m gonna do a swan dive into a bottle of something cold and fizzy. It’s been a real fucker of a week. And I’m going to see if I can find this on teh interwebs somewhere tonight instead of waiting for Lifetime’s lame excuse of a site to put it up tomorrow.  I need to not think and to laugh at overwrought drama-queen designers this evening.

      • BrooklynBomber

        If you find it, will you link? I may have to try to stay awake for the later-night rerun, and I’m not sure the staying-awake part will be possible.

      • YourBaloneyDontGotNoSecondName

        be careful clicking those links.  the vast majority of them will load you up with malware and all sorts of nasty bugs.

        • http://twitter.com/MajorBedhead MajorBedhead

           I have a Mac. It doesn’t seem to get those things. Also? Liking your comment because you have the Dowager Countess as your avatar.

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

             Hello fellow Mac user. I’ve never had trouble in that regard either.

            • Lisa

              Another Mac user here, and same thing.  I’ve been very fortunate so far.

            • http://twitter.com/MajorBedhead MajorBedhead

               Hello *waves*

              Sadly, I can’t find any place that’s streaming it that doesn’t want all my information, so I’m SOL. Guess I’ll have to watch on the LT site tomorrow. Dammit.

    • l_c_ann

      The episode in which Tankersley inquires,” Hoochie Mama????” and Michael Kors interprets, “Slut”.

      • Melissa Brogan

         I’m fairly sure he replied “tart.”

    • YourBaloneyDontGotNoSecondName

      tequila shots from texas are on me.

      • lastminutelucy

        Down in Austin for an HR conference. Ready for a little tequila myself!

        • YourBaloneyDontGotNoSecondName

          it is august and the temperatures are not in the triple digits.  this is a cold snap.

          • formerlyAnon

            Damn straight!

      • 3boysful

         He did say “tart,” and she replied “oh, we have lots of those in England,” or words to that effect  Priceless.  See, the old world just pretends to be classy.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      This last weekend I discovered that this show has to make it another 13 years — I started teaching my niece to sew, and I was shocked by how good she was.  She selected a very shiny satin, and she managed to get 2 out of 4 seams were pucker free.  I was very proud. 

    • Call me Bee

      Welcome!  They serve all kinds here…I’m from Milwaukee and they let me in….

      ETA: This comment was to be a post to SweetBetty, but ended up here. Sorry!

    • MilaXX

      Just spent 4 hours at the oral maxillofacial doc. I have TMJ, thanks to shingles, the gift that keep on giving. Anything cold and wet works for me. Liquor counts as a soft food, correct.

      Heidi looks good this week.  The site was loading slow for a minute, but I could still get in. 

      • kimmeister

        Shingles can give you TMJ?  Holy smokes, who knew?!  Hope your recovery is speedy.

      • Lisa

        Oh, hon, I’m sorry!  Feel better soon!

      • NDC_IPCentral

        You poor dear.  Geeze, TMJ from shingles!  What a mess.  You need lots of TLC, not TMJ, Mila!  Hope you recover promptly.

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

         had my bout when I turned 50. I do not envy you. Fortuantely, with meds it lasts only a couple of weeks.  I hope that its not anywhere too terribly uncomfortable.

        • MilaXX

          well I had facial shingles last year, which turned into postherpathic neuralgia, which lead to teeth grinding, which lead to the TMJ

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

             Oh MAN. So sorry you’ve had to deal with all of this. 

            • MilaXX

              eh, I’m just in cranky complain mode. There are people who have it far worse than me. I have a little numbness and scars I cover with makeup. It’s annoying but I’ll live.
              Thanks for the kind words.

            • 3boysful

               Hang in there, MilaXX.  May the complications cease and desist here.

            • MilaXX

              thanks

            • formerlyAnon

              I firmly believe that a little complaining is good for what ails you. It’s when it becomes habitual that one must beware.

              Besides, you are among those who will say “poor baby!” and offer you  (sadly virtual) treats and libations.

    • alyce1213

      Which one’s Lucy and which one’s Ricky?

    • Call me Bee

      Good for you and good for her! 

    • Spicytomato1

      I don’t know why but I love it when TLo and the sports world intersect…it gives me a sense of what might happen if the diverse interests in my own house ever converged. For now, the sports fans watch TV in the basement while I lounge upstairs with PR and Mad Men and never the twain shall meet.

    • SnackBandit

      TLo, I wish you guys had a show.  Where you interviewed fabulous bitches and went to fabulous places, and you would make snarky comments that I could make gifs out of and post to my Pinterest.  

      • Lisa

        I wish they had a show too!  And if not a show, could you guys at least have an app for iPhone?  It’d be so much easier for me to screw off at work if you did.  God knows, I’d be happier!

    • Kayceed

      Hello kittens – already a bit fuzzy with the wine, but need to fix supper for child and walk the dog before settling in to watch the shenanigans. Am planning to drink every time “plus size” is said about anyone over a size 4. Cheers!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZBFH32YG44LIIZYLSQPMBXMYCU Sarah

        Ooh, good plan. I wanted to get three sheets to the wind, and that’ll do the trick nicely.

      • http://www.MintaHall.com/ Minta Hall

        Love your plan. I’ll do two swigs to that!  Plus-size = size > 4.  Yeah. That’s the way it is in my universe too. 

        As if.

    • http://masquedbunny.tumblr.com masquedbunny

      The preview was a bit of a non-entity. Heidi using ghetto slang and being so silly about it that it’s hard to be offended.

      I am not being a very classy bitter kitten this evening. Horn Dog Barley Wine Ale from the Flying Dog Brewery. It sounds interesting, but it’s just beer.

    • jilly_d

      Micro-brew for me tonight, please.  I’m already three bottles in and feeling pretty good.  Fuck it, it’s Thursday!

    • Lisa

      (*Hyperventilates into a brown paper bag*) 

      You guys, I can’t even, I’m getting panic attacks again now that it’s the Real Woman challenge!  This is always the challenge where we find out whichever designer that we’re in love with that season turns out to be an elitist douche-nozzle over anyone bigger than a size zero.  (*Breathes into bag…please let Dmitry be nice to his girl, please let Dmitry be nice to his girl, inhale, please let Dmitry be nice to his girl, exhale, please don’t let Dmitry get eliminated, please don’t let Dmitry get eliminated, GASP…*)  I don’t want to have to rename this season, “Project Runway Season 10:  Where Crushes Go To Die”.  

      The paper bag’s not working.  I think getting shitfaced is going to be a better option for me by the time the show rolls around.  Oh, and yes, top shelf will be fine, Uncles T&Lo!

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

         Somehow, I suspect Dmitri will be far too professional to voice any such nonsense.

        • Lisa

          Okay, breathing, breathing, listening to Kiltdntiltd…

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

            Likilest candidates for some insanely unwelcome remark?  Gunnar, Ven, Elena.  Least likely?  Alicia, Melissa, Sonjia, Christopher

        • Sweetbetty

           And with his mahvalous accent anything he says comes off sounding sexy and adorable anyhow.

          • Lisa

            Okay, okay, thanks, Betty… (*putting my head between my knees now*)

    • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

      Totally off topic: Miss Dita is going to be on Top Chef All Stars next week.

      That’s all. As you were.

      • tinyredlocks

        I KNOW! I am so looking forward to seeing Miss Dita on that show!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZBFH32YG44LIIZYLSQPMBXMYCU Sarah

      Due to my complex four week schedule rotation as a public librarian, I am facing my once-a-month three day weekend, and that combined with a recent upswing in the romantical relations in my house has me planning a LOT of spirits during the show, followed by a lot of frisky slap-and-tickle afterwards, followed by at least 13 hours of sleep, and then checking in with TLo tomorrow to see what I blacked out during the episode.

      And SoCo and ginger, please. I’m from the south, and like my comfort.

      • Lisa

        Nice!!  Get yourself some, girl!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZBFH32YG44LIIZYLSQPMBXMYCU Sarah

          Thanks! I will! I will also order something to eat that is hideously bad for me, and not care because I’ll be watching PR and drinking tons of alcohol. Fun times!

    • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

      I’m sorry you had a tough day, but I kind of love the idea of horny fanboys stumbling upon Tom & Lorenzo by accident.  I’m hoping at least a few stuck around long enough to pick up some fashion tips…that advice you gave recently about how neck beards are never acceptable would do many of them a world of good!

      • Lisa

        True!  Gotta make lemonade outta those lemons!  And then add a shot of gin!

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

           How about a round of Lemon Drops for everyone outta those lemons!

          • Lisa

            I like your style, sir!

            • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

               (grinning)  Seems a waste to throw out perfectly good lemons.

            • Lisa

              Why, I would never waste them!  There are poor, unfortunate, sober people who’d be happy to have those!

    • Miranda Prince

      Oh darlings, could I *ever* use a drink. I won’t get to watch PR until after roller derby practice tonight … but I think two hours of skating fast and being knocked around should earn me some booze, don’t you? Save me some of the good stuff, sweeties!

      • 3boysful

         I want to hear all about this!  I’ll save you a good seat!

    • Karen Tully

      With all this champagne already open, make it a Death in the Afternoon for me, please.  It’s been quite a day.

      • CozyCat

        I’d prefer a French 75.  For those of you not familiar with it, it’s name after a piece of artillery–because that’s how it hits you….

    • watchmeboogie

      Wine, please. Anything, I’m not even fussy today.

    • LadyCelia

      Negroni, quite bitter, please.

    • http://www.MintaHall.com/ Minta Hall

      I’m thinking top-shelf Long Beach here. After having the reruns of previous episodes running in the background for a few hours, I remember why I think some of these designers are simply cray-cray-cray. Sigh…

    • Susan Crawford

      Hello, there, fellow BK’s and UBF’s! Beforetotal hysteria sets in at the very notion of being within arm’s length of a “plus size” -and by that I mean anyone over a size 4 – I’m settling in at Gilt for an evening of single malt. I started taking Tarceva on Monday as part of the treatment for my newly-diagnosed cancer of the gum, but what the hell – I definitely deserve some virtual drinkies!

      Monday marks the start of radiation, so I will definitely be hoisting a few with y’all tonight. When the disco ball of life smack you in the head, I believe the only appropriate response is to get Donna Summer and Gloria Gaynor on the sound system, crank up the volume and dance your “real woman sized” ass off!

      I’m figuring on Elena as the designer to watch in the Make-the-Real-Women-Cry Contest. VenBot is pretty savvy about working with clients, I’m betting, but this could be a really bad challenge for him. If he goes (again) for that layered, origami-pleated look, at least ONE of the judges is going to tell him how truly unflattering it looks on a non-professional-model.

      I am TOTALLY rooting for Dmitry to win this challenge. First, because he was SO robbed of several richly deserved wins for previous challenges. Second, because I think he has the chops to edit well, and the talent to figure out how to “translate” his aesthetic into a flattering look for “real women”. (And I really dislike that term so much. If some women are “real women”, who are the others? Are models, thin gals, nay- even Victoria Beckham not REAL women? Can we just say “women”?)

                              

      Not surprising, T & Lo, that your Serena post drew a gazillion clicks! La Serena was hothothot. Let’s hope at least a few of the baseball cap worn backwards
      crowd will hang around and join the festival of judging.

      • Lisa

        Sweetie, good luck on Monday with the radiation.  We’ll be sending out good strong thoughts to you!  You have a BUNCH of Bitter Kittens and Precious Unborn Fawns  pulling for you!

        And I’m totally with you that Dmitry is way way WAY overdue for a win. I’m hoping to god he’s not the one who makes his girl cry!

        • SRQkitten

          Susan,

          I’m with Lisa in sending you positive thoughts for next week. Sending you a round of BruIchladdich (my fave single malt) to savor and accompany the Gloria Gaynor. I’m with both of you on rooting for Dmitri to finally get some judge-love for his efforts.

          Whoever put CRAZY in the water this week can just stop it. NOW.

          srq

      • NDC_IPCentral

        Susan, I’m pulling for you, girlfriend.  It will be a rough go, but you sound determined, and good attitude does help.  I know, I know, I sort of pooh-poohed it, too, but it’s a lot better to adopt the armor of courage and real fight than … the other.  If you do want to connect directly, and you may well have all the support system you need already, you know to contact our Boys for the arrangements.

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

         Good fortune attend you during your process, Susan.  We have all got your back, here.  Oh and by the way have some Whiskey on me.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         Damn straight Susan!  You can cry about the shit that life hands you or you can laugh — and crying makes you look like a gargoyle:P

      • Peeve

         Drink up, Love! Love your attitude–all the best for next week!

        You’re right about Serena. She looks the best I’ve ever seen her in that post. Love the hair, love the dress. Usually she picks styles that have too much frou-frou, and she looks muscle-bound and uncomfortable. That dress is perfect for her.

      • SapphoPoet

        Good luck with the radiation. I’ll be thinking of you. Sending good health karma. :)

      • formerlyAnon

        Girl, what everybody else said. We’re rooting for you! 

    • NDC_IPCentral

      I’m noshing on Trader Joe’s mushroom risotto (good and salty for the wonky taste buds) and TJ’s Asian vegetable melange along with a no-name IPA.  Beer in Real Life works far better than wine under these taste bud constrictions.

      How much any BK wants to bet that at least one or more of the designers has a problem with the amount of fabric that he/she purchases at Mood, namely, not enough.  I sure hope the designers realize that BRASSIERES are a customary part of what Real Women wear…  Hmmmm??!!

      • http://julia-here.livejournal.com/ Julia

        My TJ’s dinner tonight is looking more and more like the Dalwinnie we bought to celebrate private liquor sales coming to our state, if what the’re saying about Ven is right!

      • CozyCat

        Samuel Adams has come out with a couple of reasonably price IPA’s lately.  If you like the really “bitter” taste, there’s one called “Latitude 460″ (or something like that) which is really good.

    • dschubba

      I forgot that this is an “everyday people” challenge. I fear this might be a two-beer episode.

    • Maria Rosenfire

      If that was the beginning of a Dmitry loser edit I will cut someone.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1013443339 Hannah Prutton

      I’VE ACTUALLY BEEN TO THIS ONE!! good choice lads.

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      “These people standing next to me…have friends!”

      Oh. Okay.

    • dschubba

      I’m hoping Dimitry’s comment is the first hint of a winner’s edit.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        Yes, please! 

    • NDC_IPCentral

      “What Not To Wear” ripoff without Stacey and Clinton.  One day and no $5000.00 Visa card with your name on it.

      Hoo boy, TLC should be fuming.  Or chortling.

    • dschubba

      Fuck you, Ven.

    • Kimbolina

      OMG, Ven, shut up.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        The proportions aren’t “off,” Ven. They’re proportions of a HUMAN. 

      • Clueless_Jock

        Such contempt for his client.

    • dress_up_doll

      Oh, poor Ven is disappointed with his client. What an ass.

      • Sweetbetty

         He’s whining that some of the designers have clients built like models and that he gets stuck with the plus-size (size 14!) one.  Auf that ass.

        • CozyCat

          Take a look at Gunner’s model, Ven!

    • Jasmaree

      Ven’s client seems disinterested in everything Ven and her friend talk about. She looks like she’s bored out of her mind.

    • rolacus2

      Ven, you are a big guy. In fact you are down right fat. (don’t worry, I’m a big guy as well). So you shouldn’t act like bigger people don’t need trendy clothes too. You can’t ALWAYS design for a wire hanger. And you should know that your comments would be aired on public television and possibly mortify this poor girl (who is fairly pretty I might add). Hypocrite

    • hello1972

      Ven’s model’s glare says, “I know *exactly* what you’re thinking, asshole.”

      • dschubba

        He sounded audibly disappointed when she identified herself as the model. :/

    • emily mcginnis

      where do i know that Theo from? she’s been on something else. 

    • Maria Rosenfire

      Oh my sweet Lord, Gunnar is being… a genuine sweetheart. That’s wonderful! That makes me hope that they’ve been editing him into the bitchy one.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        I think he’s the kind of guy who really knows how to lay it on thick for a client. Which is an excellent skill to have, actually.

      • Sweetbetty

         And he seems sincere, too.  He’s even trying to get nasty Ven to edit himself.

    • PhillyJen

      Ah, the “regular people” challenge. Guaranteed to bring out the assholiest behavior. 

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      Dmitry honey, I love you, but that neon yellow shirt is doing you NO FAVORS. 

      I do, however, love Sonjia’s pants. I want to go shopping with her oh so much. 

    • NDC_IPCentral

      Body types are not all the same; some are lean, a few are bigger and Ven has the plus gal.  The differences don’t seem fair.

      • Maria Rosenfire

         Honestly, I don’t think that a client’s size really makes much of a difference– I think it’s fair to say that 99% of women (of any size) have some flaws they want to hide or features that they want to play up, and the designers have to cater to those desires.

        It might be nice if they gave cloth budgets proportionate to model sizes, but that’s the only real disadvantage I can think of.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

           Honestly, I have never found it harder to dress larger sizes in any way.  And it’s not that much difference in cloth, either. 

        • Sweetbetty

           Even the models they use vary in size and shape.  Wasn’t it just last week that one of the designers was complaining that his model had a big bum?

      • Sweetbetty

         And he agrees with you.  They said the clients were assigned randomly but I’d bet good money that they sent the big gal to Ven because they knew his attitude.  Anything for drama, even making that poor, innocent woman feel like crap.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        I don’t know, I think short and curvy isn’t the easiest type to dress either. 

    • reganmeister

      Nathan’s voice sounds like Toby (the continuously depressed HR guy) on The Office.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        IT TOTALLY DOES!

    • MilaXX

      just got home in time to see Ven jump on my shit list with his remarks. I truly hope he loses now.

      • EveEve

        He is definitely getting the loser edit

      • AnneElliot

        Ven’s plummeted to the bottom of my list of all-time hated designers.  He’s right up there with Jeffrey after he was so mean to Angela’s mom in season 3.

    • Peeve

      Please, Lifetime, don’t make me like Gunnar…..I had him in a little ‘hate box’.

    • Jasmaree

      “My client doesn’t have a shape. She doesn’t have any sense of style whatsoever.”

      Goddamn, Ven. 

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        Seriously – “she doesn’t have a shape”? What is she, a gas?

        • dschubba

           LOL

        • BigWhiteGrannyPanties

          I truly spat my colonoscopy pre-drink (with gin) on my screen.  I now have an electronic mini crush on you.

          • 3boysful

             Wow–how admirable!  I didn’t think to add gin to mine.  It was heinous!  Good luck, BWGP!

          • Elaine Lang

             Well.   This blog is officially educational.   (files away beautiful advice for future reference)

          • formerlyAnon

            For realz? ‘Cause a colonoscopy is on this fall’s agenda & it never occurred to me I could add some hooch to that nasty stuff you’ve gotta down beforehand.

            Sigh. I’m SUCH a limited thinker, thank god I get out and talk to people!

        • Peeve

           Best laugh of the day–thank you!!!

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         How is it possible that he has this incredible degree and all these awards and he’s helpless in the face of an actual human who isn’t among the 1% of people with model proportions?!?  And when your client says she lives in jeans and tees, you shouldn’t be doing that ridiculous folding crap BECAUSE SHE WILL NOT BE COMFORTABLE IN IT!!!

        • dschubba

          That squiggly line he passed off as a sketch was a joke.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            I can think of a dozen things that would be better for that woman, and I will tell you if that were my friend, I would be slapping Ven senseless right now.  I would be so pissed if I brought my friend in to do something nice, and you’re making her feel like crap.

        • Jasmaree

          Ven and the client’s friend were basically ignoring her through the entire consultation. 

          “Yeah, comfort is really of the utmost importance because–Hello? HELLO?”

      • BigWhiteGrannyPanties

        Not like VEN has any kind of a shape himself…

        • MilaXX

           oh eff u Ven. I am 48 and of course I want style. HATE HATE HATE!

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Ven is making me feel stabby…

    • PastryGoddess

      I have a full bottle of wine waiting to drink.

      Shots everytime Ven is an asshole this challenge

      • Maria Rosenfire

         Alcohol poisoning ahoy!

      • Kimbolina

        We will all be left with the worst hangovers ever.

      • Joe J

        Death by acute alcoholism – the Tlo fanbase becomes the Internet equivalent of Heaven’s Gate.

      • MilaXX

         We may have to call Alcoholic Anonymous after tonight.

      • PastryGoddess

        We’re not alcoholics…we’re just drunks.  We would never abuse alcohol

      • Sweetbetty

        I assume you’re passed out by now?

        • PastryGoddess

           Drunk commenting…it’s better than drunk dialing I swear

          • CozyCat

            As long as you can use the edit function to make it coherent after the fact…

    • Jasmaree

      “Hm…long black hair? I think I’ll use some Healthy Look. Curly brown hair. Healthy Look seems just about right. Red hair? Have I mentioned Healthy Look?”

      • dschubba

        Worried that your scalp is not shiny and vibrant? Healthy Look!

      • reganmeister

        You just made me realize that I automatically space out, slack jawed, during the hair and make-up product placement sections (smokey eye, anyone?)

      • MilaXX

         I can’t hate cause I think Johnny Lavoy is a cutie.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        The first one was Feria, actually. So they did place more than one product :P

    • dschubba

      Of course, the fattest guy in the room won’t stop whining about his client’s figure. 

      • Clueless_Jock

        LOL.

    • BigWhiteGrannyPanties

      Am preparing for colonoscopy.  The only thing I’m drinking is that wretched stuff you have to drink in order to make things – um – pleasant upon the morrow for the professionals.  However, I am thinking of adding Gin.  OK I already added Gin.  

      • MilaXX

         golightly? I feel for ya.

        • BigWhiteGrannyPanties

          make that GIN GoLightly..  

          • 3boysful

             I just kept thinking of the–embarrassed to say–Chick-fil-a I was going to have afterwards.  It was divine.

      • PastryGoddess

         Bombay Sapphire?

      • Joe J

        Uch – I had to drink three bottles of magnesium citrate and spend twenty-four hours less than ten feet from the bathroom.  At least I was gassed unconscious for the whole humiliating procedure and it felt like I just took a very long nap – hope you get the same treatment, dear.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      I LOVE FABIO NOW! 

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      When Elena thinks you’re too much of a dick, you have a serious problem.

    • Kimbolina

      I love everyone else’s reactions and faces when Ven is talking about his client.

      • cheesebomb

        When this episode started, I was going to turn it into a drinking game – drinking every time someone made a comment about non-model bodies. I am so, so glad I didn’t have any booze in the house.

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      Yikes, when ELENA of all people has list respect for you, that is DAMNING. 

      • MilaXX

         Who would have ever though SHE would be the voice of reason?

    • MilaXX

      I would pay good money for them to have Stacy London or Clinton Kelly as a guest judge, especially on a “real woman” (Man, I hate that phrase) challenge. They good tell these designers a thing or 2 about dressing to fit a woman’s body.

      • Amy Ellinger

        oooh, yes!! I must admit I’d prefer Trinny and Susannah from the original- they’re such totally differently shapes so they could give good examples, and they’re brits and nicely bitchy. 

        Although i covet stacy’s hair and shoe collection. 

        • MilaXX

          I like them both, but I think Stacy and Clinton would go over better for American audiences.

          • Amy Ellinger

            argh, you’re totally right. dang.

            did you see on the recap post that T & Lo totally stole your idea? :-)  (j/k guys, love you!!!)

    • http://www.thirteen.org/downton-abbey/category/the-downton-dish/ Gotham Tomato

      Question: When was the last time Ven backed up to a mirror?

      –GothamTomato

    • Maria Rosenfire

       The commercials for those disinfecting wipes are vile. What kind of creepy serial-killer grandpa makes puppets out of raw chicken carcasses? And how stupid would you have to be to put a stanky plunger on the kitchen counter?

      • BigWhiteGrannyPanties

        Serial. Killer. Grandpa.  I love that.  

      • Jasmaree

        Better than the commercial for the reality show about taking away all the women. Because of course men are useless, knuckle-dragging apes that know NOTHING about important things. Like throwing child beauty pageants! The horror!

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

           Honestly, I think my husband could handle staging a pageant better than I could.

        • MilaXX

           This is why the only thing I watch on Lifetime is Project Runway.

    • VictoriaDiNardo

      Did anyone catch what Dmitry said his brother did?  I couldn’t make it out  - and I’m sooooo curious!

      and how can you not love him for saying it’s the first time he’s seen Elena being nice to someone!?

      • Kimbolina

        Professional hockey player.

        • VictoriaDiNardo

          Thanks! That makes sense.  It would be fun if they could morph together and make an ice dancer!

      • mom2ajs5

        I think hockey player. I wish he would have knocked Ven over the head with his stick! (or whatever they call it)

      • Sweetbetty

         Hockey player.

    • Lisa

      My god, when Elena and Gunnar think you’re a jerk off, you’re a jerk off.  Stay classy, Ven.

    • PastryGoddess

       Dear Ven,

      Fuck you…
      You are a disgusting human being. Shame on you for treating your client like crap.  She is a person not a thing and she deserves a hell of a lot more respect than you seem be capable of understanding
      You…YOU are the biggest person in the room and you are shitting on your client because she had the nerve to not be a size -0.  You are complaining because you can’t fold up fabric and tack it to a boring ass dress and call it couture? You are complaining because you have to *GASP* work at coming up with a design that flatter an actual human body.

      Congrats Ven, your face just got printed onto dartboards all over the country.  The voodoo dolls are next…asshole

      • 3boysful

         And, duh, how hard is it to figure out you give her a long line, not cut her in half with cheap blue shiny shit on top.

    • CarolinLA

      Yo, Ven – she’s the female equivalent of you except she’s not an asshole.

      • MilaXX

         I think she;s skinnier than Ven. This woman looks like a fairly well proportioned size 18.

        • Sweetbetty

           When Ven was talking to Tim he estimated she was (gasp!) a size 14.  I personally agree that she’s probably closer to an 18 but just the idea that he thinks a size 14 is a monstrosity tells so much about him.

      • Sweetbetty

        When Heidi was talking to Ven when he was the last one on the runway (and after she had said, “one, or more, of you will be sent home”, I thought for sure he was a gonner too) and she started out, “And you, Ven,…”, I thought she was going to point out his size.  I’ll bet the judges were all thinking that but the producers wouldn’t allow it.

    • http://profiles.google.com/bratling2 Laura Davies

      *sigh* Every time they do “real women” challenges, one of the designers freaks out.  Ven, you’ll be designing for real women and not size 00 models your entire career.  Suck it up and get over it!  I’m betting that if he had a skinny chick, he wouldn’t be whining about fairness!

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      Fabio’s client’s new hair is FABULOUS. She’s super pretty and now she looks totally fierce.

      • Lisa

        I know, I love the hair, and so far the dress is adorable.

    • Kimbolina

      Can Ven be even more of a douche?  Wait, don’t answer that, the runway portion hasn’t happened yet.  He’ll probably just shit all over her to the judges.

      • cheesebomb

        “Black is slimming.” “I’ll ask if they have bigger ones.”

        So….yep.

        • PhillyJen

          What the hell was that with the belt? I’m pretty sure he had her waist measurement, so he could have seen if a belt would fit her before. Such an ass.

          I feel bad for his client. Every time she starts to smile he says something awful and her face falls. I hope Kors gives her a free gorgeous wardrobe as hazard pay. 

          • MilaXX

            he could have made a belt. Buy a buckle at mood and roll some fabric!

        • MilaXX

           no it’s not. Well fitted clothes regardless of the color are.

          • cheesebomb

            Ding, ding, ding!

    • rolacus2

      Gunner knows how to talk to a woman. And he’s a twig. I think buddha-esque Ven could learn a thing or two.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         I know, right?  His treatment of his client has completely mitigated any bitch moments as far as I’m concerned.  It’s been so refreshing especially because his client isn’t tiny or 22 either.

        • AnneElliot

          I wonder if Gunnar was just acting like a diva jerk to get more air time.  Maybe he didn’t have enough personality the first time he was one so he feels like he needs to be more dramatic to stay around longer.  I thought he was really sweet with his client and he made her feel like a million bucks.

          • formerlyAnon

            Bingo. That’s my theory about Gunnar.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

            Actually, I think it might just be that he’s insecure. Notice that he says bitchy things about his competitors, who he fears might best him, but treats someone whose interests align with his. More to the point, his client was in no way threatening to him, unlike his competitors.

      • Lisa

        Right?  Who would have thought?  I might actually like Gunnar now!

    • Maria Rosenfire

      Wow. I’m embarrassed on Ven’s behalf. Does he just not understand human emotions at all?

      • Sweetbetty

         Just more evidence that “Ven-bot” was the right nickname for him.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FBVC5LBEOWEHBYYCH3A2IZGZHI yahoo-FBVC5LBEOWEHBYYCH3A2IZGZHI

        No, I don’t think he does.  Some people don’t have the knack.  It’s a talent but if you have a good teacher you can improve a lot and sometimes fast, at least to the point of adequacy.  

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      Oh Dmitry. I like when you say things.

    • MilaXX

      lord, please nominate me for the next “real woman” challenge. I will politely explain to the designer, no tent dresses, no black and no frigging elastic!

      • LesYeuxHiboux

        It would be quite hilarious if they selected from among the Bitter Kittens for next season’s “real women” challenge. With Tom and Lorenzo as guest judges, of course.

        • MilaXX

          I would go in a heartbeat. I’d pack my contacts so the makeup folks could go crazy and my spanx to smooth out any design they make

    • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.haiduck Nancy Haiduck

      I don’t like Ven.

      • PastryGoddess

         I.DONT.LIKE.VEN

    • PastryGoddess

      I’ll have some hooker mesh with my stripper heels please

      • alyce1213

        Will that be regular hooker mesh or special?

        • PastryGoddess

           *cue granny clampett voice
          ooooh I want the speshul hooker mesh please.  Can you give it some blang blang please

          /granny clampett voice

    • dschubba

      I hope Ven’s client’s friend curses him out. She’s already served up a great deal of side-eye. Don’t let me down, girl.

    • rolacus2

      As if the “week the women left” commercials couldn’t get more offensive, now they have “the gay calvary come in to help all these clueless straight men”

      UGH

    • alyce1213

      Wanna slap Ven. If he says large or big or slimming one more time I will throw something at the screen.  Oh, he just did!

      • Clueless_Jock

        He’s such an ass.

    • MilaXX

      Ven you feckin idiot, make a belt!

      • http://twitter.com/1carmelita 1carmelita

        I know!! How hard is that???

        • Lisa

          That’s what I was thinking!  Make one for her, for god’s sake!

    • Sweetbetty

      OMG, Ven’s dress is UGLY.  Cheap, shiny fabric just draped over her shoulders and gathered at the waist.  

      • CozyCat

        It’s like the “dress” Jeffrey made for Angela’s mother–they assume that it’s such a lost cause that they don’t even try and make something truly ugly!

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      “There are sometimes that designers and clients don’t connect”  Yeah, when one of them is a vile dick to another, and the client has an iota of self-respect.

    • OhSayNow

      Christ, Ven. I want to bend space and time just so I can kick you in the shins. Repeatedly.

    • Kimbolina

      Ven, you just keep on digging that grave!

      • PastryGoddess

         But at least his shovel has a shiny PLEATED bow on it

        asshole

    • dress_up_doll

      This is too painful to watch. Ven is such a d***.

      • VictoriaDiNardo

        Yeah, as  much as I’d like to see his butt handed to him for being so heartless, if he’s offed, he’ll just blame the client and repeat the complaint about everyone else having model-sized clients ( not true ).  I’d rather he almost gets offed, and then loses next week for doing something he thinks is fab.  More of a wake-up call I’d think.

        • Sweetbetty

           It looks like that could happen.

    • bohemiandrama

      Been looking forward to tonight’s episode since last week was so disappointing.  Dmitri is my favorite and I think he’s quite sexy, too.  But it’s horrible that he called his client “plain” twice!  Rude!  Maybe he’s just like all the self-absorbed actors I dated who ended up only talking about themselves.  Venbot -I don’t think it’s just editing.  He lacks empathy and the ability to roll with the punches.  When has he EVER been positive?  Part of being a successful designer is making your client happy.  People/communication skills!  The Art/Theatre/Design world requires a lot sucking up/kissing ass/schmoozing/flattering & beng POSITIVE!  (I’m a musician and a Drama Director!)

      • Sweetbetty

         That bothered me too about my boyfriend, Dmitry, but maybe it was just a language thing.  I really don’t think he meant it as an insult.

        • bohemiandrama

          Thank you for giving me a reason to not be disillusioned about your boyfriend! I don’t think (hypothetically speaking) that I would want him for a boyfriend. He seems too high maintenance. But a little rendez-vous? A Russian lesson? Absolutely!

          • Sweetbetty

             I think you’re right about my sweet ba-boo; I think he might be moody and temperamental in real life, as befits a true artiste.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        Yeah, I don’t think he really means “plain”, because he was so horrified by Ven. I agree with Sweetbetty that it’s probably a language thing, given some of the things he’s said in the past that were clearly not what he meant.

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      I love how LITERALLY EVERYONE is giving Ven the side-eye during this whole thing. Designers and clients alike are all, “BITCH DON’T EVEN.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      You should worry about your behavior being polished a bit more and your look a bit less, Ven, you unmitigated ass!

    • emily mcginnis

      i really REALLY hope Ven’s clients speak up on the runway. he has been beyond inappropriate. he’s acting like she’s a hag who weighs 900 pounds. “i was surprised at how pretty you looked.” are you kidding me? 

      • Lisa

        I hope she totally throws him under the bus.  What a tool!

    • Sweetbetty

      Dmitry, I love you, but this is not the week you’ll win.  That dress is just too plain.

      • Lisa

        I’m just totally nervous that they keep showing him in a different shirt in all his confessionals.  That’s normally a trick they use when that person’s going home.  Please, please, please, let him be safe!  I want him to win, but I don’t want him eliminated.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      This might be one of my favorite seasons ever, now.  Ven was an ass, but everyone else was really good to their clients, and they were all appropriately horrified by Ven’s behavior.  I’m digging this cast :)

      • Jasmaree

        I think the talent pool has also improved this season. There isn’t anyone here that is obviously there just because of their character. I thought it was gonna be Gunnar, but he’s actually turned out to be pretty talented.

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      “I did not kill your daughter. THE OCEAN DID.”

      Oh Lifetime. Never change.

      • PhillyJen

        The best part of Runway being on Lifetime is the commercials for ridiculous shows I will never watch. I can just quote the lines and laugh for days.

    • dschubba

      I hope Ven walks into a Wal-Mart and dies of a heart attack.

    • Sweetbetty

      Kors says, “Nobody should wear tight satin”.  Has he ever looked to his left on the judging panel?

      • PhillyJen

        I’m sure he tries not to look at what Heidi wears most of the time, lest he turn into a ball of orange rage. 

      • jetpackdino

        I think he was subconsciously directing that comment to the judge on his left.

      • CozyCat

        Heidi looked great tonight!  For the first time, I bet she gives Nina a run for her money in the “judging the judges” contest!

    • Maria Rosenfire

      I get the impression that Dmitry doesn’t quite understand what the word “plain” means in the context that he’s using it.

      • Jasmaree

        I hope he doesn’t.

      • reganmeister

        Because he’s adorable, I agree. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        Yeah, I imagine he’s having a bad translation moment. I think I get what he means- her hair color and her lack of makeup combine to make her look kind of washed out- but I bet he just used “plain” without knowing what a negative connotation that has in English. It reminded me of when he said Elena had a horrible work ethic, when I think he meant that working with her was horrible.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1434678255 Joan Golann

      Long week Vodka tonic please!

      • PastryGoddess

         Oh girl,

        We’ll make it a double.  You’ll need it for sure

    • Clueless_Jock

      Heidi’s outfit is atrocious.

      • PastryGoddess

         but it’s not animal print!

      • MilaXX

         I like her dress this week.

    • PhillyJen

      Stripper prom dress!

    • Jasmaree

      Fabio FTW.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        That was the best by far – cute, well-styled, and perfect for the client. 

      • reganmeister

        Yeah, that was awesome…and to think I thought he was cannon fodder at the beginning of the season!

      • annaplurabelle

         I agree, but it will probably be his week to get robbed.

        • Jasmaree

          Yeah, Dimitry has been getting the winner’s edit since the very beginning. It’s a decent dress and the color looks great on her. But it doesn’t look designed at all. Could pick that dress up in any department store.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      OH MY GOD!!!  “I think I did a great job”  REALLY?!?!

      • PastryGoddess

         That sound you heard was the bitter kitten collectively blowing their lids

    • emily mcginnis

      some of those dresses are seriously jacked up (Gunnar’s, Alicia’s). what’s up with the weird uneven sewing?

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      Oh MAN does Sonjia’s model look uncomfortable. Too far out of her comfort zone, girl. 

      • Jasmaree

        WAYYYY too short. At least put some tights on the poor girl.

      • CozyCat

        A few inches longer and it would have been middle of the pack.

    • PastryGoddess

      Dear Elena,

      Black and off white are not colors honey. But at least its not black and off-black eh

    • MilaXX

      Nathan – hoochie
      Elena – cute!, love that skirt!
      Melissa – CUTE! too much scarf though
      Gunnar – My favorite so far
      Alicia – ALso slightly hoochie, but cute
      Christopher -meh
      Ven – kinda granny
      Dmirty – FTW Love, great use of color
      Fabio – Now this looks like what I would expect from Fabio – winner in my book
      Sonjia – also very cute, top 3

      I don’t get Ven’s complaints. None of these women were stick thin. A few looked the same size as his model.

       

      • Lisa

        Yup, I’m pretty much in agreement with your list.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Harris/1358701372 Linda Harris

      Ven’s outfit was the worst

      • MilaXX

         and his model looked uncomfortable in it

        • EveEve

          she looked so furiously pissed off.  Sure seems like Ven’s going home with the relentless negative edits he’s getting.

          • l_c_ann

            If Ven stays, any good will doesn’t.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

           The haircut was good- it was the only positive in her transformation.  The skirt wasn’t awful but in no way was it practical.

        • Sweetbetty

           More than uncomfortable.  The looked like she wanted to rip it off and set it on fire right there on the runway.

    • dschubba

      I’d guessed (based on nothing but past performance) that Alicia would go down this week, but it seems that I was wrong.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      By the way, I counted at least 3 other women that would fit the fashion “plus-size”, so the “poor little me, my client is too big to dress in anything but a bag” routine is absolutely ludicrous.  (This, btw, is the challenge that always makes me want to audition for this show, just so I can be in the room when that crap starts and then I can go ballistic on them in person)

      • lessax3

        Gunnar’s lady wasn’t exactly a size 2 Ven. He managed to make his client feel special and gave her an outfit she loved.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

           He was also completely charming to her. He will definitely have a clientele.

      • formerlyAnon

        Put that ambition (to go off on the losers in the cast) out there and the producers will probably make SURE you make it at least to the ‘real woman’ challenge.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

           Wouldn’t it be satisfying to be able to climb up on one of those tables and yell when he talks about how difficult it is to dress plus-sizes?  “Only because you’re completely incompetent and don’t understand basic math or basic design, you narcissistic ass!”

    • Sweetbetty

      Ven’s girl wore flats.  She must have foot problems but it sure didn’t help that horrid dress.

    • PastryGoddess

      Oh NotMichaelC.  What a lovely backhanded compliment you just gave..beotch

    • PastryGoddess

      hmmm Heidi

      Sexy, not slutty…Ya think honey

    • dschubba

      I’m glad they liked Dimitry’s. I’d wear it, but I thought the judges would call it too boring.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        I think the rules are a little different for the “real women” challenges, in terms of practicality and real-world dressing.

    • MilaXX

      oh Heidi, never do that again. 
      I want both Fabio’s model and Fabio’s dresses.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        I want Fabio’s model to be my new BFF. Fabio can come, too.

    • Munchkn

       I’m trying to decide whether to even watch this episode or PR.  I missed the hour as I was watching Cover Girl with Gene Kelly and Rita Hayworth on TCM.  Should I watch Project Runway or An American in Paris again?  I do think I’ll miss PR in September as TCM is saluting Mack Sennett on Thursdays in September.

      • Maria Rosenfire

         Honestly, I spent this whole episode cringing because of Ven’s horribleness. Go watch something fun instead!

        • Munchkn

           I switched over for a few minutes during the rerun just in time to hear Ven’s insults and to see his ugly dress he made for that unfortunate woman.  I was glad to hear a few other designers calling him out on his attitude though.

          Back to An American in Paris…

    • dschubba

      I like Fabio’s dress, but I don’t really care for the accessories. I’d never wear them, but I buy that that girl would.

      • MilaXX

         I’d wear the necklace & the belt. I like the color contrast the belt adds.

        • dschubba

           I agree about the color of the belt, it just looks like it’s made out of candy or something. It’s just not my thing.

          • CozyCat

            Agreed.  An orange patent leather would have been more sleek and worked better.

            But on the whole, he did a fabulous job.  For the first time, I think a designer may have had a major impact on his client–this girl who thought that dresses didn’t suit her learned that it IS possible to find a dress that isn’t girly and reflects her strength and personality.  (Plus–the haircut was fantastic!)

    • lessax3

      Poor Dimitry, I think Fabio is winning.

      Ven, ugh, just can’t. He just is not capable of empathy.

    • Lisa

      You know what?  Perfect top 3.  I want Dmitry to win, but even if he doesn’t – that’s a perfect top 3 to my eyes.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      I think Fabio’s is the best, but I’d love to see Gunnar get the win, too — just to show Ven that you can have a plus-size client without sucking.

    • dschubba

      Melissa’s lucky she had immunity.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        Really though. WTF was that?!

    • lintvedta

      I just caught a ‘Ven is not impressed’ look!

    • emily mcginnis

      Heidi talking about something being too short? and looking like she’s going to “work.” that’s fantastic. 

      • Introspective

        The irony of it all was simply poetic, wasnt it?

    • lintvedta

      And I think I’m gonna have to start liking Gunnar after this episode.

      • Nelliebelle1197

         No, I think we just can’t hate him.

        Honestly, I think we saw the real person tonight, not the character he plays on PR.

    • MilaXX

      Her friend looks familiar. I wonder if she’s a plus size model.

    • Fordzo

      Is the runway on an angle tonight? Why does everyone appear to be leaning to the left?

      • MilaXX

        maybe they’re all leaning away from Ven.

        • Fordzo

          I wouldn’t blame them. But Gunnar’s dress seems crooked, and it’s making my eyes twitch.

          • Jasmaree

            That definitely wasn’t just you. It was crooked.

      • Sweetbetty

        Have you been playing the drinking game?

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Heidi, that was perfect.  

    • MerBearStare

      Someone should tell Ven that he ain’t exactly thin either.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        Other than on the internet… ;)

        • PastryGoddess

           *snerk*

        • MerBearStare

          You think I should mail him my anonymous comment? :)

    • dress_up_doll

      I love Heidi tonight.

      • http://twitter.com/1carmelita 1carmelita

         Me, too. Serious smack-down for Ven. He really deserved it.

        • Lisa

          Totally!  Heidi was awesome tonight!

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

             I think having had giant pregnancies gives her some insight into what it’s like for women who don’t fit the supermodel mode.

    • emily mcginnis

      as much as i think Ven needs to go because he’s a jack, i think Nathan is out. he had the dreaded “call with boyfriend.” 

      • Fordzo

        Wasn’t that Fabio?

        • emily mcginnis

          was it? now, i’m confused. i get them mixed up. 

          • Lisa

            It was Fabio.

    • Kimbolina

      Omg, I figured out where I’ve seen Ven’s client’s friend before.  She was on that Say Yes to the Dress spin-off thing with Randy (Randy Knows Best…??)  Whatever it is, where they go around the country and set up a bridal trunk show thing.  She was having a steam-punk wedding.  I have no idea if she’s been on anything else but that’s definitely where I’ve seen her. It was bugging me for the entire episode. I can finally sleep tonight. Hahaha.

      • emily mcginnis

        thank you!!!! i was trying to figure out where i’d seen her. 

      • PastryGoddess

         The internet never forgets

      • alyce1213

        Is there a circuit for people who make repeated appearances as guests on reality shows?  Is that a going concern now?
        A little fame-whorish maybe?  Ven’s client and her friend both seemed sincere, but you never know.  Am I being to cynical?

        PS Randy to the Rescue.

        • Kimbolina

          Apparently pretty much everyone who appears on a reality show, even as a “regular person” like this kind of thing has to audition and gets cast.  My sister works in film and told me that people even include reality show appearances on their resumes.  My dream of being picked up by the Cash Cab was shattered when she told me that all the “contestants” on that show are cast and it’s ALL fake… :(

          • alyce1213

            :( indeed.

          • 3boysful

            Oh, am so saad . . . . My boys watch that show, and they think I am sooooo smart.  ;)

          • carolie_king

             Hmm… My husband’s cousin was on that show, and he just stepped into the cab.  Not cast at all.

            • Kimbolina

              Weird!  Maybe they do it both ways?  I just remember my sister telling me that one time when she was working on a project, they were casting people for various roles and a bunch of people had Cash Cab listed under acting experience.  She and her friends were like, what’s up with that? so they asked about it and everyone said they had been cast to be on it.

            • Sweetbetty

              Google “Is Cash Cab scripted?” and you’ll get some interesting info that, if it is to believed, indicates it’s partly scripted.

        • Sweetbetty

           Well, someone here mentioned that Dmitry had been on 24 Hour Runway, so maybe there is such a group of people.  I don’t watch any except PR (and some of its knock-offs) so I wouldn’t recognize any of the people popping up on more than one show.

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      Considering how much Nathan’s client liked the dress, I felt pretty bad for how much the judges seemed to hate it. She was psyched about the dress, and they were basically like, “Yeah, you look like a cheap ho.”

      • MilaXX

         I kinda give a her a pass though. She’s a performer and wants to wear it to sing in. Sure it’s hoochie, but, hello? Katy Perry, Mariah Carey, Xtina & JLo. Need I go on?

        • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

          I agree. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

         That has happened before- the judges hate a dress but the client genuinely loves it.

      • Sweetbetty

         Right, it was like they insulted her as much as Ven insulted his client.

    • Sweetbetty

      Ven’s client should just go shopping with her friend.  The friend was “real woman” sized and looked fabulous.

    • Sweetbetty

      What is Michael Kors wearing on his feet?  Old fashioned Keds boys sneakers?

      • Lisa

        They look like Converse Chucks.

        • Sweetbetty

           OK, I googled them and that’s what I was thinking of but I’m not up on the names of the latest styles of men’s shoes.  I just never pictured MK wearing them on the show.

    • Nelliebelle1197

      Why did Gunnar make him me not hate him?

      • emily mcginnis

        because Ven went overboard in the villain department and they don’t need Gunnar for that anymore. 

      • allcapsERINN

        He was a sweetheart with his client and seemed to really care about her happiness. That redeemed him a little for me too. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

           And I was so impressed when the client made a comment about her size and he came back with a “No, there’s nothing wrong with you, you’re a great client” kind of thing. 

      • MilaXX

         I know! He was actually very sweet and his client loved her look.

      • DeTrop

        Gunnar, for all his preciousness, is smart.  He really ‘made it work’. Kudos to him.

    • allcapsERINN

      I usually try not to waste too much of my energy detesting anyone on TV, but Ven pushed me over the edge tonight. Wow. Just wow. He deserves to be bitch-slapped off the show for his total jack-assedness tonight, but I’m sure they’ll keep him around for added tension and the sad fact that his construction skills do sometimes give the other designers a run for their money.

      • CozyCat

        The worst was that after implying (or outright stating) that his client was not only fat but old, and then phoning in the design (because it was just IMPOSSIBLE), he kept ragging on all the other designers’ garments.

    • MilaXX

      Gosh I’m crushing so hard on Fabio!

      • Introspective

        Me too!!!! So loving him and his dress tonight. Im willing to be his resident hag since hes not playing for my team. Maybe I could get some free clothes to boot!

        • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

          Yes, last year Bert was my hag-crush and this year it’s definitely Fabio!  And how the hell does he manage to exude sexy masculinity while wearing a dress? Sigh…

          • formerlyAnon

            How? There is nothing sexier than a little gender bending dressing, on the right guy/gal. Nothing outlandish, just seeing the body move through space with the cadences dictated by the clothing. IMO, of course.

    • Lisa

      Aww,  I”m glad for Fabio, but damn, my baby Dmitry didn’t win.   Maybe Dmitry will be like Jay, and win the whole season without winning a challenge.

      • AnneElliot

        I thought that too!!  He’s really consistent.  I think he and Melissa will go to the end.  

      • Sweetbetty

         That’s what I’m counting on.

    • cheesebomb

      Damnit. Ven should have gone.

      • http://twitter.com/1carmelita 1carmelita

         At least they made him squirm, but obviously it didn’t make a dent in his thick head.

        • cheesebomb

          Yea, I was simultaneously shocked and not surprised at how dense he was about it.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FBVC5LBEOWEHBYYCH3A2IZGZHI yahoo-FBVC5LBEOWEHBYYCH3A2IZGZHI

          He is clueless.  He can also learn to improve on his people skills.  But first he needs to get over his ego.  He was probably so fabulous in school that he thinks he’s all that before he’s earned it.  He’s only 28 and that’s not old enough to have earned it.

      • AnneElliot

        I was really hoping that Tim would say something in the workroom, like he did that time when Gretchen bullied everyone.  They played the sad keyboard music early, and the way they left Ven hanging made me wonder if there would be another surprise.  Disappointing. 

    • dschubba

      Of course.

    • NDC_IPCentral

      Ven just got sent to the woodshed. But I’m not convinced that he got the message.

      • VictoriaDiNardo

        They definitely wanted to give him a spanking….. which he completely deserved.

      • l_c_ann

        He didn’t come within twentyfive miles of getting “it”.

    • MilaXX

      SHUT. UP.  VEN!

    • emily mcginnis

      i am really hoping they tore Ven up about his behavior. i’m hoping that’s why he was the last one out there. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      If Heidi had heard him defending himself in the Lounge after, she’d have ripped into him even more.

    • lessax3

      Ven just does not get it.

      • reganmeister

        I’m beginning to think Ven may have Asperger’s to some degree…the lack of affect, the inability to read social cues….

        • formerlyAnon

          Ding! ding! ding! Unless I missed something earlier, you are the proud progenitor of Season 10′s first armchair diagnosis! A PROUD Bitter Kitten Tradition.

          [No disrespect intended to anyone with an actual physical, psychological or other condition including but not limited to Asperger's.]

        • CozyCat

          Naw.  I think he’s just a jerk.

    • Maria Rosenfire

      In conclusion, fuck Ven. Sideways. With a cactus.

      • Lisa

        Sing it, sister!

        • l_c_ann

          A saguaro, if you please.

      • PastryGoddess

         covered in habanero sauce

      • NDC_IPCentral

        Oh man, Maria, your comment and Pastry Goddess’s, just made me laugh out loud.  Not that I haven’t heard variations on this before, but somehow right now you gals really connected with my funny bone.

      • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

         Maria, you speak for all of us who spent the entire episode thinking that Ven really needs to be fucked sideways with a cactus!

      • blondie65

        Absofuckinlutly. What a dick.

    • Jasmaree

      I think Alicia’s look of disgust after Ven’s comment says it all. What a douchebag.

      • BuffaloBarbara

         I hope TLo screencap that look.  All I could think was, “Alicia, you’re making faces for all of us, honey.”

    • Kimbolina

      The thing is, Ven is so full of himself and doesn’t see anything wrong with his behavior so he’s not going to change at all.  Everyone else is wrong and he’s always right.

      And oh look, he’s still being a dick in the promo for next week.

      • CarolinLA

        But he doesn’t have the talent to back up his attitude.  He has some talent but he’s no prodigy.  

    • NDC_IPCentral

      Oh geeze, that teaser.  I’m tired of the weepies!

    • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

      I think they just wanted to make Ven wet himself. Understandably. This show is on Lifetime, after all. 

      • DeTrop

        No. He deserved to be in the bottom and to get a reality check.

    • Nelliebelle1197

      I love Fabio the Freegan

    • Lisa

      Damn – they let that tactless walrus stay.  

      OMG, did you guys see Dmitry’s face when Ven said there were worse looks than his?  It was literally like “eyes rolling across the room”!

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        I liked Alicia’s baffled sneer, too. 

        • Lisa

          I know!  It was pure disgust on her face.

        • janierainie

          I want to see Alicia kick his entire ass!

    • allcapsERINN

      Awwww, I love Tim Gunn. He’s so comforting with his goodbyes. ((HUGS HIM))

      • Sweetbetty

         I can’t wait until he says his goodbye to Ven.  Not only because I want to see that ass go, but I want to see how Tim fakes comfort and kindness to the big jerk.

    • Joe J

      Wow, Ven just does not get it.  And it just slapped him in the face, too.

      • DeTrop

        He’ll blame his client for being in the bottom, not his vile design.  This man should know what look is good for all body shapes.  How  can you be a designer of clothes and not look around you at what is being worn?  He should know an empire waist or an aline style will flatter the fuller figure.  This is not rocket science.  He should take a long and hard look at himself in a mirror and see how he compares in physique to Dimitri or Tim Gunn.  He is one clueless fool.

    • StelledelMare

      “men are usually stronger designers”… Yeah ven, just piss us all off more

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

        I think Ven will be this season’s Emilio- he’ll be kept until the finale, then eliminated. 

        • MilaXX

           I’ve felt that way for a while now but I think he’ll be top 4 or 5. Melissa, Dmitri, Sonjia are all fairly strong designers.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

             This is a pretty strong season- no one is really outstanding (so far) but the level of competence is high.

            • CozyCat

              And there are lots of different design perspectives:  gothy drapey; highly structured; origami folds, etc.

      • http://eclectictsunami.blogspot.in/ Cassie

        Holy shit, Ven. Do you have ANY IDEA who the demographic for this show is?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

          If they catered to the demographic the designers would all be dressing gay men.

          (They really should do another drag challenge BTW)

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

            While a large number of gay guys watch the show, I definitely think that women outnumber them by quite a lot.

      • alyce1213

        On my. I wonder — is this a “scripted” manipulation or can anybody really be that disconnected?

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I don’t think it’s scripted, though I just assume they put him in this position to elicit this, just like they did with Olivier last year.  I think he’s really that disconnected.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FBVC5LBEOWEHBYYCH3A2IZGZHI yahoo-FBVC5LBEOWEHBYYCH3A2IZGZHI

          Yes, some people are not “people people.”  Some people are not good at math, others have poor language facility, and some are bad at understanding others.  And those people may not understand how important interpersonal skills are in the scheme of things.  It’s not always about trying to design (or struggling with it).  And what’s one of the best places to go to understand how important people skills are to potential clients?  Comment pages on blogs just like this one!

    • dschubba

      That was Ven commenting that women are weaker designers, wasn’t it?

      • CarolinLA

        Clearly not a graduate of Dale Carnegie.

    • Nelliebelle1197

      Nathan is a class act and deserves better than this.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         Yeah, I’d have kept him and booted Ven.

        • MilaXX

           They don’t say it, but I think this was based on body of work rather than this particular challenge.

          • Lisa

            True. It’s still a shame, though.  I”m with Shannon – go based on the challenge.

          • CarolinLA

            I don’t know.  Nathan’s dress was a whole lot of hiddy.  Ven at least had a nice skirt.

        • Sweetbetty

           The show values drama over class.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Ven is really campaigning for most hated PR designer ever, isn’t he?  “Men are more successful designers”?!?  Really, Ven?  Then where was your vaunted Y chromosome during this challenge, you unmitigated, narrow minded, judgmental horse’s ass?  

      No, wait, that’s unfair… horses are beautiful and sensible creatures.  You’re more like a goose — irritating, noisy and foul-tempered.

      • Maria Rosenfire

         And full of shit.

        • PastryGoddess

           Lots and lots of shit

          • Lisa

            And a fucking tool.

            • PastryGoddess

               with a pretty PLEATED bow

      • janierainie

        Don’t be hating on geese!

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

           I will never not hate on geese.  They are Satan’s minions.  (I had a traumatic childhood relationship with a very mean goose.  My older brother wanted to spray paint 6′s on it’s back)

    • reganmeister

      Y’know what?  I’m really enjoying this season….it’s been awhile since I’ve felt this way. 

      • Lisa

        I know, I am too!  It’s the first time in a long while.

    • CarolinLA

      Is this group of designers colorblind?  I only see black, grey, and blue with a little white.  Not a whole lot of bold choices with fabric.  There’s little to no variety each week.  Fabio’s was the clear winner because it was so different from everyone else.  Does no one work with prints?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        Yeah, I’m with you there. Someone please break out a red or purple sometime soon!

    • Jasmaree

      Unrelated note: Why the hell is Elena fan favorite on the Lifetime website so far? I see absolutely no reason for it. And it’s such a HUGE lead.

      • rolacus2

         Lifetime is run and watched by aggressive feminist “every man wants to rape or kill me” women who can relate to Elena’s attitude.

        • Susan Bragg

          Seriously–on this website?!  Do we need the feminist manhating stereotypes in 2012?  And really, if anything, Lifetime is anti-feminist in its collective portrayal of women.

          • BuffaloBarbara

            Seriously, just watch the commercials in the middle of PR.  The Clorox wipes ones drive me crazy (man has just completed doing something either useful or amusing–catching a fish, making chickens dance, whatever–and the wife comes in and all she can think is, “Oh no!  My countertop is not properly sanitized!”), and the other shows?  NO!

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

               The chicken dance is done by a grandmother

          • rolacus2

             I’m not saying that’s what feminists are (As I know feminist attitudes and open hatred of men is only a miniscule portion of an otherwise helpful movement), but only that Lifetime has a long history of promoting women as more useful, intelligent, and all around better than men as well as there many tv movies involving a female being raped, abused, murdered, cheated on by a no good malicious man. Lifetime seems to want to put a divide between the genders by encouraging mistrust/disapproval with men, yet still fully encourage all the gender roles and values regarding women and beauty, cleaning, feminine hobbies, etc. Basically I’m jabbing at Lifetime being a big clusterf— of harmful messages. Faux-female empowerment in a desperate attempt for ratings and a chance to get at a woman’s wallet. I am certainly not anti-feminist. Sorry for the misunderstanding. :)

        • PastryGoddess

           I think its time for you to stop drinking and go the fuck to bed

          • rolacus2

            shhh, I’ll be there in a minute. ;)

      • Sara__B

         The same relatives voting over and over again?

      • CarolinLA

        I’m sure it’s a nationality thing like it was last year with Anna.  

      • AnneElliot

        I think it’s based on the number of tweets — whether they’re good or bad.  God, I hope Ven doesn’t take the lead after the latest episode!

    • BuffaloBarbara

      Ven is emotionally illiterate.  Nothing he says isn’t true–being much more plus size than his model, I can attest that it’s hard to make certain looks work, including most of Ven’s wheelhouse.  But the moment of the belt not fitting is when you say, “Let’s see if there’s another,” comment no further, and quietly ask the producers if they have the belt in a longer size, without drawing any attention to it or mentioning to the client that you’re doing it.  You just come back with a different belt.  Or not.  (And I also have to say to the producers–if you’re doing a challenge with plus sized people, PUT ADEQUATE BELTS ON THE WALL. Sorry, but it needed shouting.  That was horrible manners from Ven, but also poor behavior from the show.)  And you don’t go on and on about slimming, unless the client has brought it up.  We of the non-model camp are very aware of our size, and if we want the word “slimming” used, we will bring it up ourselves.  I also hope the judges reamed him a new one when the cameras were turned off.

      And on the opposite end of the spectrum, brava to Heidi for the “Who’s not a real woman?” comment.  Model-bodies are hard to attain (impossible without the genetic gifts), but even your size 0 model–or former Victoria’s Secret model–is a real woman.  After she said that, I believe I’m going to excise that phrase from my own personal lexicon.  (Also, she totally wins judging the judges this week.  I loved that dress.)  Yes, I’m all about the Klum this week.

      I didn’t really like Gunnar’s dress, but I actually liked  his attitude very much.  I wonder if this is the aberration, or if this is what he’s normally like when he’s not trying to get camera time.  If it’s what he’s like, then I’m on Team Sweetcrackers.

      I think they picked the right win, but I’m sorry that it edged out Dmitry again.  I loved  Fabio’s dress, and the full skirt is such a relief from all the little pencil skirts, and the client loved it, and it transformed her–so, win.  But it wasn’t a defect in Dmitry’s dress that caused a problem, just a nice bump up in Fabio’s.  I think I’m on Team All 3 Leaders this week.

      Sonjia’s dress just looked like it was an unfortunate fit, and Nina was exactly right about what she should have tried to accentuate, or to convince the client she should.  Can you imagine how great it would have felt to tell the client that the feature she was most embarrassed about was actually in itself attractive?  (Heck, Elena makes a career out of feigning the client’s actual shape.)  And they should have given that poor girl some posture lessons before putting her on national television.  Book on the head or something.

      Nate’s… was bad.  I’d have sent Ven home instead just for his poor working relationship with his client, but Nate’s was just unfortunate.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

         Even Heidi is not a typical model body-

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         Here’s the thing: it’s not hard to make looks work as a plus size.  It’s the same problem that is faced in ANY size, which is that different shapes need different silhouettes.  The problem that you find with certain things is probably related to either a) your body type or 2) the way plus size retail is cut.  A lot of women who are in the plus size range have a misses’ proportion rather than a true plus. 

        In Ven’s case, this was custom so there was no excuse for 2, and since he is a professional with oh so many credentials (just ask him, he’ll tell you), there really isn’t any reason for A, either.

    • CarolinLA

      That poor woman who was Ven’s client.  Project Runway should make it up to those women somehow for making a nice person cry on national TV.  They should have Michael Kors give her something from his own collection.  

      • formerlyAnon

        Fuck that. (Ire aimed at the show, not at the innocent CarolinLA.) They should give her money and let her decide where to spend it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

           She should walk over to another designer and say “Help me”

      • CozyCat

        I liked the structure of this challenge much more than previous “real woman” challenges.  Tonight, the poor woman who was constantly criticized by her designer had a wonderful friend to defend her.  That way she could know that the message that went out over TV was not “there’s something wrong with you” but “this guy is an a-hole.” 

    • NDC_IPCentral

      Ven is so lacking in empathy and seems not to perceive how his remarks are regarded by others.  I’m wondering whether he’s got a form of Asperger’s Syndrome.  There’s such a lack of affect – he really is one note, no joy, no anger; rather, problems with social interaction.  I wonder whether he is afflicted with a personality disorder of some sort.  Gee, I just looked “Aspergers” up, and the Wikipedia (yes, I know, it’s not NIH…) definition under “Social Interaction” fits Ven pretty well.

      • formerlyAnon

        Hmm. Can’t tell at this remove, but you or reganmeister (spelling?) (in a reply a few pages earlier) have the honor of making the first Armchair Diagnosis of season 10!  Unless I missed one earlier.  We Bitter Kittens cling to our traditions, do we not?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Cole/100000670383943 Dana Cole

          I think it’s the first, but there’s another person a few comments down that’s come to the same prognosis, to similar consternation of fellow bitter kittens.  As an bitter kitten with Asperger’s, my face and palm are becoming rather well acquainted at this point.  Asperger’s does not mean lack of emotion, people.  It’s just hard for us to detect subtleties in the emotions of others.  Big difference. :/

          • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

            Well said Dana.   Ven is not just missing or mistaking emotional nuances in others – he seems completely oblivious.  But something is going on with him – his lack of affect is very obvious and his disconnect to the effect he has on others is startling.  However not being a doctor I have no idea what that might indicate.
            I’m afraid Aspergers’s seems to be the new catch all – like ADD was some years ago.  I worked with kids for over 20 years and every year I’d have numerous parents say their child had ADD, when in fact they simply were energetic children that had high curiosity and a low boredom thresh-hold.  They were shocked I never had any problems at all working with their child. In all those years I only had ONE child with authentic ADD and the difference was startlingly apparent.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              My oldest has ADD, and I had so many people insist he couldn’t because he doesn’t bounce off walls.  But believe me, there’s no mistaking true ADD — the problem is that most people don’t understand it very well. 

          • NDC_IPCentral

            Hello, Dana – I’m not a physician; my observation is merely one from a lay person.  I do, however, know several children who have been diagnosed with Asperger’s and have interacted with them.  The lack of social affect and inability to pick up on social cues that I’ve seen in them seem to be manifested by Ven, not only in this episode but also since the season’s first program.  Just an observation on my part, and we doubtless will be hearing and/or reading a lot more about Ven and his behavior in the days and week(s) to come.

    • JuliaInBlack

      Gunnar’s a sweetheart, Ven’s almost aufed, Alicia makes a pink dress, and Fabio wins.

      We are through the looking glass here, people.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQG2B3GDOIKSFYT6YDXFVOMEM4 A. Lure

      It was hilarious to watch Ven overtly bash his client’s size. Honey, you’re not exactly a small size yourself. Whether you make your own clothes or buy them in stores, the clothing size will be large enough to accommodate your stocky physique. Bashing on your client’s flat hair? Honey, you’re bald. Ah, the self-awareness. The projection. I still think he’s a talented, if inflexible, designer. But his behavior was absolutely disgusting.

      • Thathoodwink

        I kept thinking of that Seinfeld scene with Elaine and George. George: “She’s BALD!”  Elaine: “YOU’RE bald!!”

    • CarolinLA

      Was Tim’s comment about Nathan’s character a dig to Ven?

      • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

         I do believe it was.  Tim is sly that way.

        • Judy Raddue

          Yes, he most certainly he is.  Actually, I rather expected him to call Ven out, like he did that a previous contestant who’s name slips my mind.  Tim also seems to regularly go out of his way with designers who he feels are going home early.  As we all know from his interviews, his opinion can differ a lot from the judges.  It’s one of the countless reasons we love him!!!

          • AnneElliot

            Could you be talking about Gretchen?  I thought the same thing. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/tiyuju Yuju Ti

            Do you mean Gretchen Jones? Tim called her out BIG time. 

    • SewingSiren

      I know everybody is going to be hating Ven. But he has a point that he stated very badly. The designer with the largest client almost always goes home or is in the bottom. The smallest or nearly smallest client nearly always wins. 
      Ven did not treat his client gently, but his dress was not the worst. Not by a long shot. HIs client actually looked rather nice in the dress he designed.
      I actually thought Alica had the worse dress on the runway.
      I agree with the win. I love the dress that Fabio designed and it was his best and most original work so far. Gunner also did a very nice job and worked well with is client too. Dmitry worked well with his client and made a somewhat flattering but unremarkable dress.
      Nathan got reamed. His dress pleased his client . Maybe he was too eager to please her. The judges were very cruel to Nathan and Sonjia’s clients . It looked like those girls were going to cry. The judges were far more mean spirited than Ven.

      • cheesebomb

        “The designer with the largest client almost always goes home or is in the bottom. ”

        Honestly, I think is in great part due to designers like Ven who spend the entire show bemoaning how non-model sized women are “too hard” to design for and ignoring what those women want/need from the clothing and barreling ahead focused entirely on making them look smaller, not happy.

      • Jasmaree

        I have to disagree. At least the judge’s comments were more about the garment than the actual client. They’ll say something to make the woman feel better while still critiquing the looks. “This is a beautiful girl, but this dress makes her look _______”

        Ven’s comments were MUCH more personal. “The first thing I noticed was that her hair was flat.” “My client has no shape.” “She has no sense of style” These aren’t comments about clothes, which can just be taken off. He seemed repulsed by his client and treated her like a troll.

        • SewingSiren

          I don’t think Ven’s client enjoyed being on the show at all. In fact I wonder why her very good hearted friend would have thought it was a good idea. I don’t think she particularly enjoys clothes and I don’t think she enjoys performing. These are not requirements for being a good person. I do think that the dress that Ven designed for her looked good on her. I do think he was tackless , but not deliberately mean. Most of his tackless comments were made away from the client . It was the decision of the producers and editors to put them on the air.
          The comments the judges made regarding the clients of Nathan and Sonjia were indeed  about the garment. The garments that the clients had stated that they liked and made them feel beautiful. Both girls were smiling and pleased when they came out on stage. They looked like they had been socked in the gut when the judging was over.

          • guest2visits

            I’ve got to agree, Ven’s client was unhappy to be there at all. And his comments about the difficulty of
            designing a complimentary garment for a plus size as opposed to a size 2 is also true; all of the designers
            original reactions to the line of people on the stage was not a positive one. He should never have been so
            thoughtlessly selfish and juvenile about it, but it seems most all designers imagine they were born to only
            create for fairy princesses, forest sprites, and unicorns. They are all quite put out when asked to design for
            the real world. It’s just harder to do.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

               I disagree.  I think their reaction was due to the fact that it was the “real woman” challenge, which means you don’t know what you’re going to get — there have been a lot of clients that are difficult to work with because of their personalities.  To risk going home because of your client is kinda hard to live with.

            • guest2visits

              I definitely agree that is an added aspect to the real woman challenge; who knows if the
              client you’re paired with is much too unrealistic, or naturally recalcitrant, or maybe even
              encouraged by the show to give the designers a hard time. But throughout all the seasons
              of PR, most of the designers struggle with the idea of working with a body that is less than
              ‘perfect’ – whether large busted, or flat. Hippy or thin. Short or tall. It seems to throw them
              completely off game. I guess thats why it’s considered one of their ‘challenges’.
              If it were just a matter of personality conflicts; even some of the models that the designers
              have been paired with have been alot less stellar in their performance then you would expect; and these are the very people who are supposed to be really ‘selling’ their designer’s work.

          • Sweetbetty

             ” In fact I wonder why her very good hearted friend would have thought it was a good idea.”

            If the friend was indeed on another reality show it may have been all about *her* getting on another show and her friend was just a means for her to get there.  If I was the client I’d feel rather used by my friend as well as disparaged by Ven.

          • MilaXX

             I wonder if she was expecting more along the lines of What Not to Wear treatment . Someone said her friend who nominated her was on Randy ti the Rescue. Randy is also really good about making the MO feel good about themselves. Maybe that ‘s what she was expecting.

        • Thathoodwink

          You are absolutely right. The judges never ever said anything that suggested that there was something wrong with the clients’ bodies. As a designer Ven needed to keep that mouth of his mounted on his chubby neck shut, and found a way to glamorize his client. I love how they made him sweat it out at the end, too. 

        • Judy Raddue

          Thank you!!!  Jeffrey Sebelia was a jackass, but at least he was straightforward about it.  Ven’s so passive-aggressive!  For me, the worst was his whining that it was unfair that he didn’t get a thin model.  Hey, Ven, cry me a river…  As Tim says: Make it work!  He should have looked over at Gunnar, who’s client appeared about the same size, but Gunnar made his client feel like she could conquer the world.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tiyuju Yuju Ti

          I remember Uli from season 3 made a very cute outfit for Kayne’s mom, who is larger than Ven’s client. Uli was not the winner nor in the bottom for that challenge, but I remember it vividly because Uli picked a very loud printed fabric that scares me, yet the final product actually slimed her client down! So it is doable. Uli made it work!

          • http://twitter.com/RebeccaB70 RebeccaB70

            I loved Uli’s design, she got ripped off for the win in that challenge.

            • CozyCat

              Completely agree!  Her design in that challenge was pure genious!

            • Excellence_and_Elegance

              That challenge? Uli got ripped off for the win in that SEASON.

              (Don’t get me started!)

          • unbornfawn

            I remembered that outfit that Uli made too. It was a wonderful outfit and Kayne’s mom was very happy and she stayed true to her point of view! Ven – that is how its done.

          • MoHub

             Kayne also made a terrific outfit for Michael/Mychael Knight’s mom. She rocked that thing all the way down the runway and back, but Kors had to throw a wrench in the works by saying it was too “matchy-matchy.” I though the outfit was terrific; but then, I was raised to have my clothes match.

            Both Uli and Kayne embraced their “models’” size and ran with it.

      • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

        I thought Ven’s look was hideous!  He created an ugly and matronly look for what he perceived as an ugly and matronly woman.  Gunnar was working with a very similar “type” in terms of age and size but he gave her something beautiful because he was treating her as a beautiful woman.  Gunnar didn’t win but he was top 3 and the judges loved how confident his client looked.  A size 14 is only “huge” to a certain elitist segment of the population, and it’s actually the size of the average American women.  You might want to check out Drop Dead Diva, not because it’s a great show, but the lead actress is considerably bigger than a 14 and she always looks very fashionable and put together.  I don’t buy that Ven was handicapped by anything but his own nasty attitude.

        • emily mcginnis

          agree. Gunnar’s client appeared to be similar in size to Ven. not only did she look great (albeit some of the sewing was off), but she FELT great. 

        • Sweetpea176

           Funny thing is, didn’t he say something to the hair and makeup folks about wanting her to look, what? Youthful and modern, or something like that.  That outfit was Ven’s version of youthful and modern?  No surprise there.  He’s a good designer, but his clothes are neither youthful or modern.  I always picture them on the retired country club set.  It’s only a matter of time for him, I think.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

            Yeah, I’m with you on that one. I couldn’t believe that he was basically calling her old when she was near 40 and citing THAT as an impediment to his design. All of his previous designs have looked, to me, like designs for middle-aged women, except perhaps for that hideous tan thing he did.

          • MilaXX

             yes because at 28 he thinks 40 is apparently one foot in the grave. what a jerk.

            • MoHub

               And she isn’t even 40 yet! She’s got 2 years to go. I’d love to see Ven try to dress me. I’m a size 4—which he might or might not like—but I’m under 5’4″ and over 60 years old.

            • MilaXX

              I just wish Heidi and Nina could have heard that old woman crack.

      • PaulaBerman

        That top was terrible. The shiny turquoise with sleeves that screamed HER ARMS ARE FAT! Plus there was no way she could have driven 4 hours in that thing. But worst of all, he made her feel like crap about herself. No one goes to a designer for a custom outfit to feel that way.

        ETA: Gunnar was in the Top 3 because his model *worked it*, and she did that because she loved how Gunnar made her feel about herself in that dress. That is the difference between his result and Ven’s.

        • MilaXX

           Yes I NEVER buy sleeves like that. They actually make your arms look fatter.

          • CozyCat

            And they make larger breasts look even bigger by adding volume at the worst possible point.  Dolman sleves, while cute, have the same effect.

      • MilaXX

         In part because the designers historically don’t know how to dress a fuller figure. I think Fabio’s dress would have could have worked on Ven’s client. I thought Ven’s look was hiddy, the bottom was passable, but the top was pure fug. I like Alicia’s skirt, but her top was kinda bland. Gunner made a cute dress for a woman close in size to Ven’s. All in all I think Ven is getting hated on for 1)being rude  and 2)Not really trying. I also disagree with the judge a tiny bot on Sonjia’s dress. Some curvy gals like their legs and were dresses that short. Also disagreed a bit with the judges dislike of Nathan’s dress cause a performer would wear than.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

          I think with Nathan, it was the construction that really did him in. EVERYTHING was puckering. The design itself was fine, IMO, but so badly executed that the effect really was pretty cheap looking. Especially the zipper bulge in the back.

      • janierainie

        I remember that Vincent’s very large sister was dressed by a designer (Uli?) that ended up in the top 3. She was the largest person on the runway that season. I remember thinking Uli was robbed. 

        • annaplurabelle

           Vincent’s sister was dressed by Robert, who was eliminated in that challenge (he bored Nina).

        • MilaXX

           I think Uli did Micheal’s mom. and she looked good.

          • SewingSiren

            And did not win.

          • MoHub

             Uli did Kayne’s mom; Kayne did Michael/Mychael’s mother. Uli was top 3 while Kayne was put in the bottom because the elements of his outfit matched. Go figure.

            • MilaXX

              oh thanks. I remembered it incorrectly .

        • SewingSiren

          The designer that had Vincent’s sister went home. 
          The designer that had Roberts’s sister (who was the youngest and slimmest client)won the challenge.
          Uli who had Kane’s mother, made a beautiful outfit and did not win.

          • janierainie

            Yes I checked that out last night and went to bed instead of correcting myself. But Kanes mom was a large and Uli made a beautiful outfit that nearly won.

      • Meelah

        I’ve walked Project Runway for a long time and I don’t see what you’re seeing.  I’ve seen them reward designers for taking on the challenge of designing for a size or shape that they’re not accustomed to.  I think Gunner’s dress was poorly made and he was still put top 3 because his dress was more respectful to his clients size and the fact that she was on cloud 9 about how she was treated by him.

        I agree that Alicia had one of the worst dresses but the outcome would have been the same had Alicia been in the bottom 3 or 4 with Ven.  It wouldn’t have made Ven’s dress go into the top 3 or safe groups.

      • Lilithcat

        The designer with the largest client almost always goes home or is in the bottom. The smallest or nearly smallest client nearly always wins.

        So true.  There was not a level playing field.

        I actually thought Alica had the worse dress on the runway.

        Before she was declared safe, I had assumed the “hoochie mama” remark was aimed at her garment.

      • http://profiles.google.com/jenna.thomasmckie Jenna Thomas-McKie

        But a designer with a larger client (Gunnar)  was in the top three this time as well.  Melissa’s and Elena’s client weren’t exactly tiny, but they both still managed to design something attractive and fashionable.

        Ven’s outfit was bog-standard frumpy larger-lady wear.  Boring and not at all flattering.

        Fabio’s dress, on the other hand, would look still look fabulous even if it were in my size (I’m 45 and a size 16).  I’d wear it in a heartbeat.  I also loved Christopher’s and would even consider wearing Dmitri’s (although it would need shapewear, which would lower the comfort factor). 

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

         Except the other two in the bottom were not at all plus-sized, the one who went home certainly wasn’t.  And Gunnar’s client in the top was pretty close in size to Ven’s.

    • MilaXX

      wait, Ven was bitching over a size 14?!!!!! UGH! So done with him!

    • snich11

      As much as I dislike Ven, he has a point about his model…she was by far the largest one and it did make the challenge more difficult for him. That woman had huge arms and a giant belly. It’s like the “real women” challenge a few years back where the models ranged from Uli’s very slim and elegant mom to Vincent’s morbidly obese sister. NOT a level playing field then or now!

      • 3boysful

         But–I think had Ven made something v-necked and sheath-y, AND BEEN KIND, the judges (who have been predisposed to like him anyway so far), would have fallen all over themselves saying how flattering his look was.  (And that’s all you have to say, NOT, that you made her look less fat or less ugly or less plain, or less whatever-unkind-adjectives he kept throwing out.)  Then, Ven would’ve landed in the middle and admirably survived the challenge.

        • Lisa

          Right.  I mean, Nathan went home, and his girl was a “regular” (ugh!) size. Gunnar had a big girl, and he was in the top three.  It’s not a big conspiracy the way Ven is trying to make it out to be.

      • CarolinLA

        I completely disagree.  It’s not the model, it’s the design.  Nathan’s model was the right size and he went home because his was the worst.  Ven could’ve used his creative skills to make something more flattering but instead he used his energy nurturing that chip on his shoulder.  He didn’t even TRY to be the winner this week and that’s the true measure of his character in this go-around.

      • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

        I didn’t see anything “huge” or “giant” about Ven’s client, she was a normal, attractive and curvy woman.  And Gunnar’s client was just about the same size with very similar proportions so she wasn’t the “largest by far.”  If women who look like them are the new poster girls for “morbid obesity” we are truly living in a sick, eating disordered culture.

        • Sweetbetty

           A thousand “likes”.

        • Lisa

          Sing it!  Those girls weren’t “morbidly obese” by a long shot.  I see people you could classify as “morbidly obese” on the street and in my office building, and those women aren’t it.

        • SewingSiren

          Just to be clear, Ven never called his client anything similar to morbidly obese. He said he had the largest client, which was probably true. It was insensitive for him to say that, even though he didn’t say it directly to her, but he never said she was obese.

          • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

            For the sake of clarification, I quoted the term morbidly obese because your earlier comment implied an equivalence between Ven’s situation and a challenge from another season where a designer was given a client you called morbidly obese.  I never saw that particular show and I therefore can’t comment on the client you’re referring to above. 

            You are however correct in asserting that Ven never called Terri morbidly obese.  But let’s go over what he actually did say about her:

            He was “in shock” when he saw her.
            Her proportions were “wrong.”
            Her before picture was “obviously a nightmare.”
            She had to be about a size 14 like it horrified him that such a size even exists in his perfect world.
            Her “age” was also problematic because she was “near 40 years old.”

            That was just in his confessionals and during his time with Tim (which he knew she’d likely see when the show aired) but here’s what he said and did to her directly to her face:

            Told her he was going to ignore her request for something with color because “Black is slimming.”
            Forced her to try on belt after belt, all of which were about the same size, just so he could keep saying “It’s too small.  I’m sorry but there’s nothing in your size.”  As if after taking her measurements he wouldn’t have known those belts wouldn’t fit her.  And even if it was a genuine mistake the first time, making her repeat this exercise in futility over and over again with belts the same size was simply sadistic.
            Told her that he was genuinely “surprised” that her haircut looked good.
            Told the judges the other designers got “lucky” because their clients didn’t look like her.

            I’m sure I’m missing some of his assholery because it was just too much to absorb in one watching.  There’s absolutely no defense for how he treated her.  A skilled designer wouldn’t have had that much of a problem making something flattering and beautiful for her.  The entire point of a makeover is to give the person you’re working on a glimpse into what they can look like with flattering clothing and makeup and boost their image of themselves.  Ven did nothing but tear that woman down and make her feel defeated.  Since he didn’t get eliminated last night I sure as hell hope this cost him any chance of actually winning the whole thing.

            And just to be totally clear this time, I’m not saying that you called Terri morbidly obese either. You just expressed sympathy for Ven that he was designing for a woman you referred to as being “huge” and “giant” which hey, I suppose is better than saying there’s anything morbid about her.  I personally found your comments about her body elitist, condescending and cruel, but not morbidly so.

            • SewingSiren

              And just to be totally clear this time, I’m not saying that you called Terri morbidly obese either. You just expressed sympathy for Ven that he was designing for a woman you referred to as being “huge” and “giant” which hey, I suppose is better than saying there’s anything morbid about her.  I personally found your comments about her body elitist, condescending and cruel, but not morbidly so.
              I beg your pardon, I most certainly did not refer to Terri as huge or giant. I have made no remark upon her body at all and will not.  The only thing that I have said is that she looked good in the garment that Ven designed for her.

            • http://www.lifeinspice.com/ rose88

              I do apologize because that comment was directed to snich11, to whom I was originally responding to which is why I used the term morbidly obese at all in my original post.  This was simply a case of mistaken disqus identity.  Again, I really am sorry.

            • Sweetbetty

               I found the comment that is being referred to; it was made in the T-Lounge and not by Sewing Siren.

              ” That woman had huge arms and a giant belly. It’s like the “real women”
              challenge a few years back where the models ranged from Uli’s very slim
              and elegant mom to Vincent’s morbidly obese sister.”

              I felt compelled to look it up because I was so shocked by it.  Terri’s arms were large but to say they’re huge is an exaggeration.  And a “giant” belly?  Hardly.  Vincent’s sister probably did fall into the morbidly obese category.  No, the “real woman” challenge is not a level playing field but if the judges take into consideration the thought put into the design and fabric choices and pay attention to the execution they should be able to make a fair judgement no matter what the body shape.  But since we know the judging is affected by much more than that, none of it really matters.  There’s no denying, though, that any designer worth his/her salt should be able to design something attractive for any size and shape.

          • Sweetbetty

            No, Ven didn’t say it, but a commenter upstream did and Rose88 was trying to set her/him straight.  None of the clients fell into the morbidly obese category.

      • MilaXX

         not really some of the other models were close to her size and she was a size 14. This was a more evenly matched “real woman” challenge.  Gunnar’s model was probably a size 12 and Sonjia & Nathan’s while petite were also very curvy. Bottom line is the others at least tried. Ven did not.

      • Meelah

        Gunnar’s client was comparable in shape and he made no complaints.  There are designers that make clothes for women with big belly’s.  The problem is Ven is so stuck in his own style and too arrogant to put someone of that size into his own design concepts to try to make it work.  He basically made a stereotypical Lane Bryant or Ashley Stewart outfit from 3 years ago that is no longer in fashion and you would never show case that on Project Runway even if he made it 3 years ago.  Ven made her look bigger than she really was by creating those floppy sleeves and putting that belt around her waist.  

        • Lisa

          Exxxaaaaccctllly….

      • HelenNPN

         Complain once and get over it – to complain to the point that a roomfull of designers are gaping at you and the editing pros in post production can have a field day with your insults and complaints – honestly that’s just dull.  As in stupid.

    • MilaXX

      why does he make her try on the belts? He measured a frickin waist!!! insensitive git!

    • http://twitter.com/otterbird otterbird

      Many years ago, back when Clinton was still in the White House, I worked as a wardrobe assistant for a perfume launch.  The company hired models and dancers to pose and look pretty, and actors and actresses to hand out perfume samples to the people at the launch.  Everyone was dressed in Italian(esque) Renaissance costumes. The models and dancers looked pretty in the costumes, but kind of sterile, like dolls.  On the other hand, one of the actresses, who was late 30s, and kind of chubby, with a bust and hips, looked SEXY in her costume.  Yards and yards of fabric and lace, and she was still totally alluring.  It occurred to me that when people say a more rotund body was seen as beautiful back in the Renaissance, they really meant it, and fashion then was designed to flatter what was seen as the ideal body- round, not all that tall, with breasts and hips.  And it looked better on the ideal Renaissance body than on what we think of as the ideal body today.

      Which is a long-winded way of saying, if Venn can’t figure out how to make pretty clothes for anything other than a 21st century model’s body, he’s not a very strong designer.  Because, good grief, they could do it in the Renaissance.  And they didn’t have Hewlett Packer tablets to doodle on.

    • guest2visits

      Eeesh. What happened to most of the original sketches and ideas for these designers. It started out so promising.
      It ended with alot of the same looking fabrics and color. Black and blue.  And I think most of the dresses would have looked much
      more fitted and less cheap if only an inch or two longer in length; I think a plumper figure just looks more sophisticated and
      put together with ‘ladylike’ proportions as opposed to teen/kid size lengths.  And I feel so bad for both Sanjia’s and Nathan’s clients.
      It was obvious they both liked what they were wearing until Heidi and the rest ripped into it.
      I could easily see Sanjia in the middle, and possibly Alicia or Melissa in the bottom. As lovely as Gunnar was with his client;
      I definitely thought it was no higher than a mid-level design. I’d need to see more than a split second glimpse of Christopher’s
      to be sure; but I thought his was top three.

    • Thathoodwink

      Okay, who was the bigger arse…Jeffrey Sebelia with Angela’s mom, or Ven with his client?

      • emily mcginnis

        Ven. his client really gave him NO problems. Angela’s mom was not 100% nice–not that it gives Jeffrey an excuse. but she wasn’t completely innocent in all of that. 

      • Judy Raddue

        I’d say Ven.  Jeffrey was a jackass, but Angela’s mom contributed the problem.  I rewatched the video, and she comes off very passive-aggressive, telling complaints to Tim, but not to Jeffrey.  When she does speak to Jeffrey, I want to slap them both.

        In Ven’s case, he constantly demeaned her in very subtle ways. As a woman who’s always been a big girl – enough that when I lost over 40 lbs, I only went from a straight 16 to a 14 top/12 bottom – I was aching for the woman.  She knows she’s not Heidi Klum (and never will be), and doesn’t need to be reminded of it.  It reminded me of a 24-hour period in my life when I dealt with two very different costumers. The first – who herself was 5′ square – moaned about the difficulty of finding rental costumes for me, because I was a 12/14, not a 6/8.  Considering that I was in the best shape of my life, it hurt like hell.  The following evening, at rehearsal for a different production, when the top to my rented costume did not fit my 38-C chest, I broke down into sobs.  The difference?  The producers insisted that I was not the problem and they’d take care of it.  Turned out that they knew a former Hollywood seamstress and had her make me a new bodice.  I ended up feeling like a million sexy dollars.  Now, Ven, that’s how you treat a client!

        • holdmewhileimnaked

          if it makes you feel any better, this is a constant in the fashion & film industry. i remember it happening to me during my Ages of Starvation but even better, remember the model that was too fat for ralph lauren?

          this is what they did to her [via the odious misuse of photoshop]:
          http://jezebel.com/5376418/ralph-laurens-ridiculous-photoshop-more-ridiculous-rage

          this is what she looks like:
          FillippaHamiltonGoogleImageSearch

          & of course that isnt the only time this has been done, nor the only person to whom they did it. thats just the most famous recent example i can remember.

          dont take it personal. it’s not just you, it’s got nothing to do w/ you. it’s a social trope. a bad one.

          • Judy Raddue

            Thanks for the concern, but I’m fine. All that happened over 20 years ago, and I’m now in the Midwest.  In California, even my beloved Bay Area (where I’m from and left 17 years ago), it’s toxic.  Guys wouldn’t even think of dating a woman if they thought she was a double-digit dress size.  

            I also remember Kate Winslet calling out GQ for photoshopping her to appear much thinner.  If only all celebrities had such balls – or at least tried to be more like Helen Mirren!!!

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

              Heh, I think the Bay Area might’ve changed since you left. Or maybe Oakland’s never been like that. Men love a curvy girl around here…

            • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

              Yeah here in southern California I can barely get a date, I visited Ohio a few years ago and men were lining up asking me out.  Same happened in Oklahoma.  I was date-able even in the vast dating pool of Manhattan. The expectations of what women should look like is unrealistic in the extreme on the west coast.  So many models and some of the most beautiful women in the country who want to be actresses flock here… leading even balding, paunchy, unemployed men in their 50′s to think their girlfriend should look like Heidi or Anjelina Jolie (depending on hair color preference)

              Hmmm… maybe I should move :)

      • Sweetbetty

         I’ll go with Jeffrey on that one.  Ven may very well suffer from some personality disorder that makes him oblivious to how the things he says come across but Jeffrey was fully aware of everything he was saying and snickered about the whole thing afterwards.  Ven is a robot but Jeffrey was a little weasel. 

    • Kimbolina

      If you really want to get the rage flowing, go check out Ven’s Twitter.  Gross.

      • emily mcginnis

        gross is right. he’s a jackass. and a whiny one at that. 

      • LC3203

        What’s his handle?

        • holdmewhileimnaked

          here you go:
          https://twitter.com/Venbudhu

          –& kimbolina is right on the money.

          • DonnaL

             His tweets are reprehensible.  “I tried belt after belt and nothing fit..so now I am a bad person? THATS SO NOT FAIR.”     “If the design room provided belts that dont fit, what the hell was I suppose to do…???? if nothing fits. not my fault.”   Make one for her, you jackass!  And don’t complain in front of her that nothing fit her!  At least all the replies are telling him what a jerk he was.

            • http://www.facebook.com/tiyuju Yuju Ti

              Wow, Ven’s twitter just makes him look even worse….

            • Lisa

              Right.  There’s nothing like, “looking back, I was terrible to her”, etc.  Just no self-awareness or kindness.

            • Sweetbetty

               Is he focusing solely on the belt?  His bad behavior was about so much more than just the belt.

          • Meelah

            I wonder if he watched the show before trying out.  The judges take into account any extra work the designer may have to do based on their client.  Fabio got all of the praise he received because of the situation with his client and how he overcame her objections.  Ven is a one trick pony and hopefully this is the beginning of his slide into oblivion   

            I so want to jump into discussing the garments but I guess I have to wait until tomorrow….

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Cole/100000670383943 Dana Cole

               I believe the phrase you’re looking for is “one way monkey.”

            • Lisa

              Always!

          • Meelah

            I think this tweet summed it up for me:

            #TeamVen I love it how all of the positive things I said are edited out of the show… 

            But there’s not one positive thing being said on his twitter today about the show.  He’s even blaming the clients “attitude” for his issues.  He wasn’t the only designer with a full figured client.  He also wasn’t the only designer with a client that wasn’t perky and bubbly of personality.  

          • Nels Highberg

            I’m kinda liking Ven more after finding that Twitter feed.

    • http://twitter.com/eddiecheddar Liz D

      My boyfriend said the most insightful thing about Fabio’s own runway outfit this week– that maybe he wore a dress in order to make his model feel more comfortable wearing one herself as a way to say that ‘feminine’ doesn’t always have to mean ‘sexy’, which is something she didn’t want. His look was fantastic and I’m so happy for his win.

      Gunnar has really been growing on me. He’s really toned down the attitude since the first few episodes and come off as quite charming and thoughtful during the last several. His designs aren’t my personal taste, but I have been enjoying him on camera.

      Dmitri— I hope he continues his class act next week and doesn’t act like a diva for not winning this one–his time will come!

      • MilaXX

         nah, Fabby just likes dresses. This isn’t the first one he’s worn on the runway.

        • http://twitter.com/eddiecheddar Liz D

          His aesthetic and personal style consistently buck gender norms and this is why he was a perfect match with his client, regardless of whether or not his outfit had pointed intention.

    • blondie65

      Ven’s total disrespect of his client b/c of her size was insulting all on its own. But the fact that this woman has 4 kids and drives hours back and forth to her job and misses GIGANTIC portions of her childrens’ days so their family has a paycheck coming in…he should have bent over backwards to make her something that made her feel good about herself.  Not only did he fail to make something flattering, he failed to make something realistic for a working woman who, on a good day, has a 13 hour work day with 4+ hours in a car.  He puts her in a tight zipper skirt and a shiny uncomfortable top that doesn’t even flatter her.He was so wrapped up in his own drama of “I’ve never designed for a a real woman” that he  had no clue what her  life was like, what it was like to be in her world b/c he never spoke to her as a person.  And how sad b/c  with his design gifts, he could have made something for her that may have made things just a little better.  Which as Kors said, is something that real fashion should do at the end of the day….Ven, EPIC FAIL.

      • CarolinLA

        If she spends that much time commuting, how’d she manage to conceive four kids?

        • Judy Raddue

          Probably the same way a former colleague – a legal secretary with a similar commute and 5 kids – managed to do it: stay-at-home father.  She made the larger salary and, compared to putting all those kids in day/after-school care, it made financial sense for her husband to be a house-husband.  

        • Meelah

          Is that a real question?

          • CarolinLA

            No.  It was a joke.

    • R. L.

      Why oh why?!  Can’t it just be about doing the best thing for every woman’s body type?!  Some women are larger in one body part or another or whatever/  There are ways to design around body types to make a nice look for every woman.  Why make someone feel bad and give them an awful outfit?  Ven should have gone home.

    • ChristinaRi

      The hilarious thing to me was that Ven is not at all svelte himself.   I wonder what a Savile Row tailor would say about him.  Well, probably nothing because those folks are true professionals.

      • Laylalola

        This is what kept boggling my mind the whole time, that he could be so thoroughly clueless while his hulking self loomed over and eclipsed his “plus-sized” client.

    • CarolinLA

      I hate it so much when the designers just give up.  In fact, I think there should be a place in the finale for the one designer who is judged to have made the best effort to meet the challenges.  They’re going to have to start mixing up the game a bit after this season to keep us interested.  

    • Sweetbetty

       More exposed zippers.  When my boyfriend, Dmitry, asked at Mood if they didn’t have any metal zippers I wanted to say, “No, you PR designers have bought them all up”.

      • Lisa

        YOUR boyfriend, Dmitry?  Heeeeeey, wait a minute there, you…  ;-)

        • Sweetbetty

           May the best woman win ;->

          • Lisa

            Hee!  ;-)

    • Sweetbetty

      Ven can’t even stop the insulting remarks when he’s sitting in the room with the rest of the designers at the end of the show, after he was thisclose to being auffed.

      • Ellescene

        And he still hasn’t stopped the insulting remarks months after it happened. One of his latest tweets was something akin to “Well, I didn’t have the worst look. We all know who did, and that person was safe.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQVHL5FXQGJJJPXUFXXBM3UZ3Y Maria Reine

      I’m diagnosing Ven as having Asperger’s Disorder.  Completely insensitive to his model, completely oblivious as to how he was presenting himself, lacking any sort of empathy, and adept only at choosing the poorest possible wording to anything he said, e.g., the first time working with a real woman.  

      • DonnaL

         No, I don’t buy it.  Being an insensitive, self-absorbed jerk doesn’t mean someone has Asperger’s.  Some people are just assholes.

      • Cautiously Pessimistic

        I haven’t watched this episode, but seriously?  Not every insensitive jerk is on the autism spectrum.  In fact, most of them aren’t.  They just think the rules don’t apply to them.

        We should expect people to act like adults instead of giving them excuses to continue being horrible.

        (This is by no means to discount the actual problems that someone with Asperger’s syndrome faces.  I’m just sick of people labeling every tactless blowhard with that diagnosis.)

        • MilaXX

          THIS! so hard. Having  known & worked with individuals on the Autism spectrum, trust me half these reality tv jerks don’t even come close.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Cole/100000670383943 Dana Cole

          Speaking as someone who does have Asperger’s, and has more than a few issues with tact, I appreciate that there are more than a few people that realize that being a tactless blowhard is not the same as having Asperger’s.  Because in most cases, while a person with Asperger’s might say the wrong thing initially, when such is pointed out to them, they will apologize, because Asperger’s is more having trouble seeing the subtle differences in other people’s emotions, rather than not having emotions or not caring themselves.  So yeah, long round about way of saying thanks.

          P.S. Tactless blowhard is too kind for how Ven acted towards his client, but I’m not sure what I think of him is exactly fit for public consumption. ;)

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I’m not going to diagnose Ven, since I don’t know him, but my guess is that it isn’t just that he’s being unpleasant that’s causing the snap diagnosis, it’s that he seems not to comprehend that he is being unpleasant, let alone care.  He got very fixated on an idea (I can’t do my fabric origami on this person because her shape isn’t right), and looked utterly baffled by the reaction he got when he said he couldn’t find a belt that would fit her.  He didn’t seem to understand that he was being corrected.  He was just completely unplugged from it.

          • BrooklynBomber

            That’s what I got, too–he doesn’t know how to talk to people, and doesn’t even understand what he’s saying. When he sat down in the waiting room and said, “i shouldn’t have been the last one standing,” I couldn’t believe it. It’s like he’s just tone-deaf, and doesn’t realize it.

      • MilaXX

         nah, that;s an insult to people with aperger’s. All Ven has is asshole tendacies and the hubris of the under 30 who have never been told their shit don’t stink.

        • holdmewhileimnaked

          i agree w/ you. in between all of the other fabulous things i have been [i kid], i was a sped teacher, SED/autistic adults. ven is not autistic. for heavens sake. i just read that all child prodigies have aspergers. what an everlovin crock. it’s the disease of the week.

          • annaplurabelle

             I don’t think there will be any redeeming of Ven any time soon. He was tweeting the same bitter, insulting, arrogant bullshit tonight during the show.

        • Meelah

          removed because I responded to the wrong person : )

        • Lisa

          Right.  That’s not Aspbergers, he’s just plain fucking rude.  

      • Meelah

        That’s not aspergers you’re looking at that’s arrogance.

      • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

        First episode I was struck by his lack of facial affect – he said “I’m so excited, my heart is racing” (paraphrasing here) with a completely blank expression.  In fact I have yet to see any expression in his face – positive or negative.  Sign of something for sure – since I’m not a Doc I’d be simply guessing.  And yes, he also has a lack of empathy and a lack of awareness as to how others are perceiving his remarks.  I knew a sociopath (diagnosed) many years ago who would say the most insulting things to people and have no clue as to why they seemed upset… it never upset him in turn that someone was hurt/angry/annoyed with him, he just was slightly puzzled.  

      • Lisa

        Nope, sorry, that assclown doesn’t get a free pass just because he doesn’t know how to treat people.  I doubt very much that this is a situation of, “Oh, poor misunderstood Ven with Aspbergers”.  I think it’s spot on that he thinks his shit doesn’t stink, and no one’s ever told him otherwise.

      • HelenNPN

         You aren’t a doctor, you just play one at home watching TV.               

        (this is a ref to an old ad, and just meant in fun)

    • PaulaBerman

      I loved it how Ven managed to insult both the client and Heidi by calling the client a “real woman.” Heidi was all, “What, models aren’t REAL?!?” What a jerk he is.

      • Lilithcat

        As the executive producer of PR, which is fond of calling these “real woman challenges”, she is not one to talk.  PR puts those words in the designers’ mouths.  

        • SewingSiren

          Yes. 

    • CitizenPit

      West coast time zone. Just settling down with my pit bulldog and some Angel’s Envy over ice. Looks like too much drama and not enough creativity.

    • http://www.nahuli.blogspot.com cjcris23

      Oh my, Ven. I can’t wait to see your comments. I watched the judging with my eyes closed, cringing at what he would say. I’m so stressed out.

    • l_c_ann

      If only Ven’s client had looked him straight in the eye and said,

      “You like this dress so much?  The best you can do?  Then, honey, you wear this down the runway.  My BFF and I are going out on the town. “

    • http://www.nahuli.blogspot.com cjcris23

      Tim Gunn for the win with that “Nathan, we are losing someone with profound qualities of character” comment at the end. I really wish they would do a commentary cut of some of these with Tim’s honest thoughts like “Ven is an embarrassment to us all” or something.

      • Lilithcat

        “Nathan, we are losing someone with profound qualities of character”

        Whatever the hell that meant! It sounds like one of those things you say about a person when you can’t think of something nice.

        • HelenNPN

           …or when you can’t stand their designs.

    • Sweetbetty

      I’m re-watching the show and just caught how Ven “complimented” his client by saying he couldn’t believe how beautiful she looked after she had her hair cut.  She picked up on the irony and replied with a flat, “Thanks”, and turned away.  Even when he tries to give a compliment he can’t.

      • MilaXX

         Would you take a compliment from someone who’s been insulting you since you met? Ven wasn’t exactly subtle in his disappointment at having her as a client.

        • Sweetbetty

          The point I was trying to make was that when he told her he couldn’t believe how beautiful she looked after she got her hair cut he was in essence saying she looked like hell when she first came in, and she picked up on that.  You’ll notice that the other designers were complimenting their clients on their new hair-do’s without making them feel like they had been hags before.  Ven has no social skills and even if he tries to be nice it falls flat.

          • MilaXX

            oh my bad, I misunderstood you at first.

      • Meelah

        I caught that as well and I believe that was the final tipping point.  There was nothing Ven could have done to redeem himself after that.  Even if you gave him a pass that maybe he was just trying to be truthful with her about the belts he can’t run away from that fake backhanded compliment.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

         That hair cut was the only good thing that happened to her.

        • HelenNPN

          And her friend’s true expression of caring for her to tears during the judging.  That’s pretty special.  My guess is that behind that shy demeanor, the so called “Debbie Downer” client has a wicked sense of humor and a great big heart, to earn that level of caring and connection with an office mate.

    • Nels Highberg

      Didn’t expect to come here and see such diagnosis on Ven.  I think he has a very clear sense of what he is there to do, and that’s all is in his head.  He doesn’t have a personality.  He knows how to talk to no one.  And not absolve him, his client was already Debbie Downer.  I get that it was his job to build her up like Gunnar did.  But that was just a sad little Eyesore patch from the moment they met.

      I loved how they tried to manufacture more drama about how everyone can get cut at this point, and they drop that so randomly and after Nina said she loved Ven’s skirt, which put his design over the other two.  The judges were hard on Sonjai.  Some of the weaker ones were in the middle.

      • CarolinLA

        Maybe she was Debbie Downer because she was tired.  Did you hear the description of her day?

        • lessax3

           Tired and getting to watch the other ‘models’ get treated like VIP clients while she is getting the snooty salesman who doesn’t want to waste his time helping her.

      • Meelah

        You’d be a Debbie Downer too if your designer related to you in that way.  He didn’t get to know her or ask her want she wanted.  His first conversations with her were about slimming only.  She didn’t mention wanting to be slimmed.  The nail in the coffin was when they were discussing the garment while she was trying it on and he said something to the effect of, ‘I was surprised when I saw you after your hair makeover because you were beautiful’.  He effectively said to her face that when he first saw her he didn’t feel she was beautiful and didn’t believe she could become beautiful because he was surprised the hair stylists and makeup artists could do it.  I don’t believe you’re trying to absolve him but you can’t blame his client for responding negatively to the negative vibe Ven put out.  

        • lessax3

           He also threw out every cliche about plus size women:

          Black is slimming.
          Used big shapeless sleeve caps to hide her arms.
          I want to focus on your pretty face(which I was shocked to find you had), to try and hide the fact that you are huge.

          Maybe her friend would have been better served if she got her on What Not To Wear. At least they tear the clothes apart while building up the person and I’ve seen enough of the show to know they think plus size can wear a hell of a lot more then black with billowy sleeves.

          • Cautiously Pessimistic

            No kidding.  I’m so tired of skinny people telling plus-sized women like me how to dress.  A black muumuu isn’t slimming, it’ll make me look like a blob at a funeral.

            I’m roughly the same size as this client (though taller), and I can tell you that the issue with dressing this size is not actually size, it’s proportions.  It’s not like I’m the same silhouette as a woman who’s an 8, like I was just sized up on a copier.  Shoulders are often narrower, arms larger, etc. on a plus-size woman.  Generally speaking, when you get to bigger sizes, clothes need slightly more structure too, but that’s probably a matter of taste.  And yeah, it’s difficult, but dude, if you’re on PR and have serious delusions of being a successful designer, you better suck it up and deal with it.  It’s not *that* hard.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        Dude, he was bitching about having a chubby client when HE HIMSELF is that size. She honestly didn’t seem like a debbie downer to me, she seemed like a woman who didn’t know how to take his constant insults. She didn’t want black, but he put her in black because “it’s slimming”- basically, he told her he didn’t care if she didn’t want black, she was too fat for anything other than black.

        On top of that, his top was HIDEOUS. And while Nina may have liked the skirt, I didn’t think that much of it. It didn’t look very classy to me.

        • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

          I would have paid actual cash had the client said “Being such a chubby man, I’m sure you know how we all want to feel attractive and how difficult it can be to find well designed clothing.” 

      • http://twitter.com/shinobi42 Shinobi

         His repeated bringing out of belts that were obviously too small and making her try them on?  I’ve been there.  There is clueless, and then there is being unecessarily cruel.  I’m a woman who is pretty comfortable with her large size and when a tailor or a consultant acts all “Well I don’t know what I”m going to do here because you’re just so fat.” It is incredibly aggravating.  He had eyes, he could see those belts wouldn’t fit, and yet he kept trying them and making her feel awful. 

        Plus, she’s not even that big. 

        He was completely out of line.

    • Logo Girl

      Happy with Fabio’s win – he is one of my favorites – but – is it just me seeing things? I SWEAR there were grease spots on that dress. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751285857 Sally Brownson

        I think it’s just you, or maybe your TV? I guess we’ll find out when TLo post the screenshots tomorrow.

      • NDC_IPCentral

         I thought I saw at least one on the bodice, too, so you’re not alone in your observation.

    • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

      So in the preview for next week did I hear Ven make some crack about men being much better designers than women?  

      • BrooklynBomber

        I believe you did. Someone gave him a shovel, and he just keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ginny-Ellsworth/534496198 Ginny Ellsworth

          I would rather use the shovel to bury him! What an asshat!

      • MoHub

         Yes, you did. And if there were any justice in the world, he’d have been eliminated for last night’s fiasco and wouldn’t have been there to say it.

    • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

      Bottom 3:  Ven – well aside from the complete inappropriateness of the outfit for his client, the top fabric was cheap cheap cheap looking, the design (was there a design?) was pedestrian and the high zippered slit was appalling.  Ugly outfit.  Glad the poor woman at least got a really great haircut.  Nathan – EEEKKK!  Hoochie mama indeed.  Again, cheap shiny fabric.  And a sweetheart neckline ?!  WTH?  There are a few other designers that would have been in heaven with this client, but Nathan just didn’t “get” her.  Sonjia’s – not horrible just boring and way too short. 

      The top 3: LOVED Dimitry’s dress – the client looked chic, cool and fierce. Great color, good styling – the whole package.  Why hasn’t he won one yet?  Really liked Fabio’s gray dress and was happy to see a fuller skirt for a change.  Would look good on many shapes of women.  I called it as winner because it skewed younger than Dimitry’s offering and the judges skew that way too.  I agreed the belt was off.  Gunnar – hmmm… I agree with an earlier poster that it was more his clients sheer joy with how she looked rather than the actual dress that put him in the top. The lace on top wasn’t straight and the arms were not flattering.  I would have stuck it mid pack, but kudos to Gunnar for listening to his client and making her feel beautiful.

    • Laylalola

      So how many women want to rush out and give Ven their business? (Why wasn’t he booted last night?)

    • holdmewhileimnaked

      now that i’ve actually seen the stills on the lifetime site [i dont have a television, i cant watch the show before tomorrow. the stills are posted every week around midnite pst]–anyway, the most amazing thing about the garments & their wearers along w/ ven’s complaints thereabout & therefrom are that almost none of the women are thin–or even thinish. & the only one of comparable size to ven, himself is the one about which ven, himself chose to complain–his client. i propose that if he doesnt wanna hear it [& i am certain he does not] that he shut it about any- & everyone else.

      still, i think this whole thing is the bottom rung of his redemption arc. seen it too many times.

      • http://twitter.com/eddiecheddar Liz D

        I believe Elena’s model was pregnant and I am NOT saying that as some sort of backhanded guessing—I knew her in high school and I see her often enough at a restaurant she works/ed at that I am positive it was her. She is a NYC-based voice actress. I looked her up on facebook and all her most recent pictures show her with a newborn or in various stages of being pregnant. I found it interesting that this wasn’t mentioned during her initial consultation and the makeover was focused more on guiding towards more toned down color choices and not flattering her pregnant body.

        • holdmewhileimnaked

          at least in some of the stills she looks pretty nice in what elena created. the middle photo, in particular.

          since i havent seen the show i cant say how many people complained about their PR clients. what i can say is that it looks like most of the designers at least tried to make stuff to make the clients look good. & thats what they shouldve done. it’s easier to make stuff for people who are more, i dunno, boardlike. more straight up & down, what they used to call way back in the miocene era, coathangers. but most people are built elsewise & it’s a greater skill to be able to accommodate the mass of the masses. seems like all but ven did their everlovin, appropriate best.

    • http://www.fatladysings.us/ TFLS

      My God but Ven is unpleasant!  I cringed every time he opened his mouth.  Pissy I can handle (for the most part) – but balls-out nasty-stupid is just too far down the line.  I’m surprised he didn’t get sent home for that crap (if wishes were horses…..).  What a kick in the face he gave his client.  This was supposed to be a treat for her – something fun to lighten up her life.  Instead she gets put down and maligned by a boulder troll.  I hope the show gave her and her friend a free weekend at the Marriott or something to make up for it.  Lord knows she deserved something after putting up with Ven and his crappy attitude.    

      • MoHub

         Jeffrey Sebelia 2.0. But at least Jeffrey had variety in his designs.

    • sdtripper

      Pure and simple, Ven has no empathy.  He does not listen to anyone – not his client, not the other designers, not the judges.  He is the only one in his world.  Does he get that it’s ironic that he is complaining about his client’s size?  Does he ever look in a mirror?  No, it’s Ven’s world and we are all living in it, and if he ever gets auf’d his final interview will be how his look was the best thing up there.  He can rewrite the script with lightning speed – it’s all about him.  His interactions with others have been one-sided from the beginning.  Whatever someone says to him, he processes it through the Ven-filter and his response is totally Ven-centric.

      I have not read through the other comments, so maybe someone has already mentioned this:  the fun thing about the real-people challenge is that the designers have an opportunity to relate to their clients and show off their people skills.  This is where we learned that Jeffrey S. and Olivier did not have people skills, they only focused on thsmselves and what a raw deal they had gotten.  Not that a designer has to regard every new job as an opportunity to make a new friend, but if you basically don’t respect the rest of the human race, this challenge will out you. 

      I loved seeing Gunther and Fabio interact with their clients.  Up till now I have been on the fence about Christopher, but when he started bitching about his model taking off the jacket on the runway…maybe she just really loved the dress, you know?  His reaction to that made him more like a Ven than a Gunther, and made me glad I have not defended him here.

      • alyce1213

        I don’t feel that Christopher went overboard when he made the remark about the jacket being taken off too soon and balled up in his model’s hand. I felt it was really more about the jacket, which is okay because he worked hard on it, it deserved to be seen, and she didn’t model it well.  She should have taken it off it at the end of the runway and hung it over her shoulder on a finger. It’s Modeling 101, everyone’s seen it, and if you’re going to be a guest on PR, you should know and practice.  He didn’t really insult her and I think he was more disappointed than unkind, like Ven.

      • Sweetbetty

         “Up till now I have been on the fence about Christopher, but when he
        started bitching about his model taking off the jacket on the runway.”

        I had mixed feelings about his comment on the jacket.  Did he give any instructions to her regarding when and how to remove it?  They’re used to working with models who have been trained to know those things but you can’t expect a “real woman” to just know instinctively.  But he didn’t sound real nasty when he said it, just sort of exasperated, like maybe he knew it was his fault for not instructing her.  I’d have been disappointed that she whipped it off too but wouldn’t have taken it out on her unless I had specifically instructed her to do otherwise.

    • VicksieDo

      I lost all respect for Ven last night.  He went out of his way to be rude to poor Teri, he didn’t even try to do well in the dress he made, he made excuse after excuse, and in the end he still doesn’t get it.  He’s tweeting stuff under #TeamVen where he doesn’t think it was fair to have that client, etc. even now.  I tweeted to him that whatever Team Ven there was, is over now.  Teri also tweeted…that when he wasn’t cut, she felt horrible all over again.  SHAMEFUL!!  He should have gone home on this mess…

      I loved the winning look.  It was totally hip and cool like the woman, while taking into account that she didn’t want to portray herself as a sexual object in her clothing.  I loved the belt too, because gray and orangy tones together are great in my opinion.  I also loved Gunnar’s attitude, a great attitude goes a long way with me. I will miss Nathan, he’s a nice person…

      So disturbing to me that the desingers don’t think they need people skills to succeed in fashion.  Most people are not at the Karl Lagerfeld level where they can do and say whatever they like.  Teamwork and respect for clients are both critical.  So therefore, Ven’s behavior tonight and Elena’s last week, really should be rejected and punished on the show…JMHO.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Louise-Bryan/1177213326 Louise Bryan

        I’m 100% in agreement.  Those nasty comments Ven made after coming back into the green room made me want to throw him under the bus — LITERALLY!!  The guy was a consummate jerk throughout, whining about how tough he had it and reducing his clients to tears.  I was very disappointed that he wasn’t chucked off the way Heidi was implying he might be.

      • ChristinaRi

        Oh my gosh, yes!   Designers have to be collaborative.   I just read a piece on the designer who took over at the House of Dior.    He was originally in industrial design, but got into fashion design because he wanted a MORE collaborative experience.

    • VicksieDo

      Jeffrey was tame compared to this mess. Jeffrey just insisted on making what he wanted for the woman, he didn’t go out of his way to insult her.

    • Valdri8

      What the fuck is Heidi wearing? She is a disaster, in my opinion.

      • HelenNPN

         Looks like Sears Catalogue 1988, if they still had it then.  She thinks that if you stick a belt on anything, it makes it attractive.

    • watchmeboogie

      Ven = self-centered jackass, and so clueless he doesn’t realize he’s a hypocrite. Have you looked in the mirror lately, buddy?

    • DonnaL

      I like Terri’s own Twitter: she calls Ven an asshole and a “piece of shit”!

    • http://www.MintaHall.com/ Minta Hall

      You know I HATED Ven last night just like the rest of the BK. And he did a terrible job with his model. 

      BUT…given his behavior on ALL of the challenges, i’m beginning to wonder if he’s more than a little autistic or has some other problem with emotional expression/recognition. he truly seemed to have no recognition of his offensiveness. he wasn’t going out of his way to be mean (as Jeffrey did in his real world challenge  in his season). Ven simply had no concept that what he said WAS offensive.  Jeffrey didn’t care if he offended; Ven didn’t seem to  KNOW he offended.  And he didn’t seem to even hear or understand all the other designers’ comments.  that makes me think he’s got a serious problem with autism or some similar condition. He’s very focused on his inner world and sort of tunes out everything else.And he never expresses any emotion about anything.  Afterwards it never seemed to occur to him that his problem was in not considering the client’s emotional response to his words–it was all about unfairness of having a larger model than others.I dunno. if that’s the case, the only way he’ll really succeed in the real world is if he either consciously learns to observe and respond to emotional expressions and applies that to his clients, OR if he surrounds himself with more empathetic people who  can handle that for him.He’s very talented, and was (until last night) one of my faves. But after that…I don’t know.  We’ll have to see if he spirals down.

      • Cautiously Pessimistic

         Someone else suggested this last night.  I’ll repeat what I said then.

        You can be an utter jerk without being autistic.  It’s called being a self-absorbed narcissist.  Trying to diagnose someone like this just gives people an excuse to continue being horrible.

        It’s especially insulting to those who are actually autistic and don’t behave like this.

        • sdtripper

          I agree it doesn’t make sense to try to diagnose Ven based on what we’ve seen.  He has not related to anybody on any level on the show so far.  No label necessary.  Even if he had had one of the smaller girls, I doubt he would have listened to her story and put himself out to make it a happy experience for her.

        • ChristinaRi

          So true.  I only wish I could attribute all the times I had been less than sympathetic to autism.  Unfortunately, I’m just a flawed person who sometimes behaves in less than an optimum way, i.e. like a jerk.

        • Lisa

          Right. Just because he’s a thoughtless, egotistical tool doesn’t mean he gets a “medical condition” pass.  I’m sure he’s fine – he’s just an asshole.

      • Kimbolina

        On Ven’s Twitter he said something along the lines of, “Sometimes the truth hurts” which kind of indicates that he knows what he said was offensive but decided to anyway.

      • NDC_IPCentral

        Minta, last evening I posted that I thought Ven might have a form of Asperger’s Syndrome, since he lacks affect and appears to be particularly tone-deaf in social interactions.  He manifests almost no range of emotions – quite a one note.  I have a couple of friends who have children with Asperger’s, so I’ve seen this kind of behavior more than once.  Ven seems well within the range of this personality disorder.

      • ChristinaRi

        I think Michael Kors diagnosed Ven correctly when he said that Ven was only concerned about himself.   He saw himself stuck with a quite overweight woman and all he could think about was what effect that was going to have on him.  Consequently, he didn’t  engage with his model and get to know her needs.   He’s one of those people who is so focused on outcome, that he can’t focus on the process that determines the outcome.   This does not bode well for his success.   There are plenty of people who don’t have any sort of autistic symptom who are unsympathetic, unemotional, and egotistical.

        • CitizenPit

           In fact, my daughter has autism and actually very caring of others — when she can understand what is going on.  Autism is not the inability to feel or to empathize with others, rather it is difficulty with being able to “read” all the non-verbal communication that we use to convey feelings to others.  My daughter knows what “sad” means, and will try to comfort another child when she it told that child is sad, but she cannot recognize a sad face when she sees one.

          • ChristinaRi

            Although I’m sure you would have nerver chosen this path for your daughter, it’s given you an understanding that few of us have, and I thank you for sharing. I get so upset sometimes when I see reality tv people diagnosed with serious and mostly imperfectly understood disorders.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ginny-Ellsworth/534496198 Ginny Ellsworth

      Okay, is it just me but I thought his model was beautiful! I know I am half blind but I was crowding the tv trying to get a better look at her. Terri’s skin looked gorgeous and she looked like she had delicate features and was fairly fine boned but curvy. I was shouting at the tv (yes, my kids think I am crazy) because I think she could have rocked a pin up girl bombshell look. I would really have loved to see what someone with talent AND empathy could have done for her. 

    • Judy_S

      The surprise for me was that Ven’s client did a great job on the runway. She looked pretty good, and the skirt, which was awful when closed, had a sexy vibe when open. Of course, it was probably open just so she could walk. I think the man does not design clothes that can actually be worn, period. His skirt in the previous episode probably hangs nicely on a mannequin but bunched up strangely when the model tried to walk in it.
      The top was unforgivable, just because it was so banal. It didn’t look uncomfortable to me, just like a first sewing project in terms of design.
      Who was it who got all flustered about having to design for a woman with breasts, in a past season? I have a vague idea it was Mondo–someone very young and gifted, I think–but it was kind of funny.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ginny-Ellsworth/534496198 Ginny Ellsworth

        Olivier. And he had a similar bent out of shape it isn’t fair whine throughout the entire episode.

        • Judy_S

           Oh, thank you! Yes, Olivier. The thing is, he was kind of pitiful/comical in his fear of women’s bodies. He was very broad in his unhappiness–the person you design for should not only have a truly androgynous body but also have nothing inside the head. Ven’s attitude was a bit different–I have the fattest model and they did this to me because otherwise they would have to let me win every time.

        • HelenNPN

           And even so was still 1000% more charming than Ven.

    • Lilithcat

      Was anyone else as irritated by the lengthy L’Oreal “commercial disguised as consultations” as I was?  I know they need the product placements to produce the show, but that was really over the top.

      Gunnar continues to creep me out.  His garment was fine, if rather over-designed, but he just reminds me of Eddie Haskell.

      • DonnaL

         You look lovely today, Mrs. Cleaver!

      • GTrain

        ugh, those “consultations” were SO forced and ridiculous!

    • Teddy Partridge

      Does anyone else recall Tim Gunn making a big deal in the workroom early in the episode about the models being “randomly assigned?”  I had to wonder what that was about at the time, and then to see Ven make a big deal on Twitter about his model being specially chosen to “bring him down” whatever that means.  It makes me wonder if the producers actually cut in that statement from Tim afterwards, in post-production, based on the awful things Ven said about his  model specially-chosen to embarrass and weaken him as a competitor.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ginny-Ellsworth/534496198 Ginny Ellsworth

        I think Ven’s big deal on Twitter just reinforces my belief that he is a clueless wonder all wrapped up in Venland. Right! Like anyone knew he was a “real woman” phobe beforehand. What if he had gotten Nathan’s model? I think he would have crashed and  burned there as well but would have had different excuses. 

        I really wonder who he thinks he is designing for? Just models, all the time? Most models are exactly that….slim, lithe, young, extreme examples of women’s figures used to display clothing designs. If he wins PR (shudder!) and goes into business for himself (because frankly who would hire him after this unseemly display of petulance), who the hell does he think is going to wear his clothes?

        • Kimbolina

          I totally agree with you.  And Ven’s client wasn’t the only one who wasn’t model skinny.  Gunnar’s client was similarly sized and he did fine.  And I’m sure if Ven got Gunnar’s client, he’d still be bitching about plus-sized women and whatever.

      • Lilithcat

        Nothing the producers do would surprise me.

      • SewingSiren

        Nothing they do is random. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

        I have little doubt that Ven could have found fault with any model assigned to him (too short, too masculine, too this, too that), so “randomly assigned” doesn’t mean a thing in my book.  That being said, this is Season 10 for crying out loud.  Any designer who can’t anticipate the most outlandish circumstances possible shouldn’t try out for the show.  A designer who’s as talented in reality as he is in his own mind would welcome the opportunity to prove the producers wrong.

        • ChristinaRi

          Exactly!   I’d think it would be a good idea for a designer to come into project runway with a design already prepared for an overweight woman.   It happens nearly every season that at least one designer gets an overweight woman/girl/someone as a design challenge.  Be prepared.     I do agree with whoever posted it that it is a little disingenuous for the judges to complain about the designers’ attitudes and then award the win every time to a designer who had a slim model.    I was hoping for a Gunnar win for that one thing only.   At least this time a designer who had a slim model was the one who got the auf.   Praise for a small mercy.

    • http://www.lippsisters.com/ Deborah Lipp

      My theory is that they had planned a double elimination tonight, and then, because they lost two designers and replaced only one, their count is off, so they could only eliminate one, but they decided to be scary anyway.

      • Meelah

        I don’t think they planned a double elimination.  Usually if one is planned they will hint to it when they’re explaining the challenge.  If they hinted to it I didn’t catch it.  I believe they did it to scare the crap out of Ven and punish him without kicking him off the show.

    • MissAnnieRN

      Ven should be kicked off for his highly offensive comments about women. I hope he crashes and burns on this show. Can no longer see any talent in someone who talks about a woman’s body as though it is some sort of lump if unattractive coal.

    • Laylalola

      HOLY MOTHER! That should clear up any confusion some folks have who are trying to diagnose away his ass-holishness.

      • Lisa

        Wow!  Did you see what he said to Alicia?  What an asshole!

        • HelenNPN

           All gone now of course.  Screenshots next time.

    • FlowerofScotland

      Did anyone see Christopher’s tweet? “Fall of the Venpire” – ahaha

      On a more serious note – what the heck was going on inside that man’s head?  The lady was a CLIENT.  And his potential future clients could be watching this?!  His ideas about body shapes are skewed and I don’t want to watch another minute of his hurtful unnecessary cruelty.  Women come in all shapes and sizes and he needs to remember that the models WON’T be his clients once he gets kicked outta there.

    • MissAnnieRN

      I feel like T + Lo have decided to let us all bitch it out in the comments section or are editing a most scathing post of their own on Ven’s offensive and inexcusable behavior.

      Of note – I want to hug Fabio’s model, tell her to embrace her femininity, and tell her that BEING A WOMAN IS BEING POWERFUL.  RRRROARRRRR!  Then I want to introduce her to this awesome movement called “feminism” and see what happens.  Her comment about her femininity making her feel weak just made me sad for her.  

    • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

      Ven is a legend in his own mind.   Shame on his attitude toward the average sized American woman–he should have been off’d, but they kept him only because the hootchie dress was worse.   

      • Sweetbetty

        Plus, they haven’t wrung all of the drama out of his being there yet.

    • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

      Saw this in the comments section of the PR blog:I am Terri’s friend who brought her on the show.  I agree with everyone’s comments. Mike from Season 8 has been corresponding with her VIA email, as he wants to make her a garment. It was hard to see all the comments he said when we were not in the room, I feared she would not come to work today.  She did!! She is a trooper!!  Please know she appreciates all the support.  Thank you everyone :)  Theo Ann Thomas

      • bringbackbeatles

        She definitely deserves all of the support possible. You both seem like amazing people and it was great to see you defend her on the runway, definitely a true friend! Ven seems completely unable to empathize or see that what he is saying is not okay, unfortunately. I was shocked by it, as were, it seemed, all of the other designers. Just know that the majority of us have both your backs and think that Terri seems to be a very giving, loving person who deserves something lovely done for her, as this shouldO have been. You, as well, are everything one could want in a friend. Keep going, you gals! Also glad to hear that Mike (not sure if Drummond or Costello) is stepping up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tiyuju Yuju Ti

        I am glad you are here! Please tell Terri I wish her and her family all the best, and safe driving! Ven was complaining about Terri’s “attitude”. Would you please tell us what happened when you ladies and Ven first met? 

      • watchmeboogie

        Please tell her she rocked it on that runway, even in that crappy look Ven put together. She deserved something so much better – it’s great to hear that she’s being helped by Mike. She’s pretty and NOT a fat person, she looks like a regular American woman. Ven has his considerably-sized head up his own ass.

        And I’m also sorry that you tried to give your friend a good experience and you both got shafted.

    • bringbackbeatles

      What I don’t understand is how Ven says he has never designed for “real women.” Who exactly is he designing for then? If he wants his clothes to sell, he should always be designing for multiple shapes and sizes because everyone from size 0 to plus-sizes should want to buy his clothes. Of course, he burned a lot of those bridges now. Also, as many have mentioned, he’s a big guy himself, so who is he, or anyone, for that matter, to judge? What disturbs me the most, however, is that he is completely oblivious to the fact that he is being a prick (sorry, couldn’t think of another word for it).

      Also, he acted as if his client was a shapeless blob. His client absolutely had a lovely, curvy shape that he could have made feel fun, funky, and special if he had put any thought into his garment, instead of focusing entirely on how he thought he was treated so unfairly, had a far more difficult challenge, and that this was done purposely because he’s such an amazing designer and they needed to knock him down a peg. I’m sure it was done purposely. Have you ever watched the show before, Ven? Get over your perfect, superior self and get on with the challenge like everybody else. Keep pissing and moaning instead of designing and it’s time for you to go home.

      Sorry the post was so long, just needed to vent over a tv show, lol.

    • LambeeBaby

      WHAAAAAA!!! Ven…you whiny little bitch. Get real. You will never be a Christian Siriano. No one is going to beg you for a custom made gown. You need to realize who your client is and the power they have to make or break you. Let your reputation stand on quality instead of having everyone conform to your standards. Not many of us are size 2 models. If that is all you can do then you might as well take your “pretty swirley flowers” cake decorating skills to the bakery.

    • http://profiles.google.com/vvonbiel Victoria vvonbiel

      Has Ven looked in the mirror recently?

    • HelenNPN

      Ven is going to have to change his name now, as he’ll never get a private client. 

      I suggest he change it to Dr. Gonzo, Hunter S. Thompson’s sidekick in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas who was described quite often as a “300 pound Samoan” though actually he was neither Samoan nor 300 pounds.