Mad Style: A Little Kiss, Part 2

Posted on March 29, 2012

Part 1 here.

 

There’s a lot of signalling here that says “British” even if it’s not obvious. Lane has always had a distinctive style that set him apart from the other partners and subtly reinforced a European vibe in opposition their entirely American ways of dressing. Tweed vests, pocket squares and double-breasted jackets have been his mainstays since he arrived at SC. He appears to have ditched the double-breasted jacket for now, but you can’t take Lane Pryce’s tweed waistcoat away from him.

As for Rebecca, we’re struck by how old-fashioned she appears here, especially since she did alright for herself at Don’s birthday party. But that hair, dress, and long double strand of pearls all say old-fashioned in this context. Or perhaps “Old World” would be more appropriate.

How to tell a story in color. If we showed these pictures to someone who hadn’t seen the scene and asked them, “Which of these characters doesn’t belong in this setting?” All eyes would go towards Joan’s mom. Even Paolo the plumber is tied into the surroundings better than she is and Paolo and Joan’s outfits match.

Only in the late’60s and ’70s could someone come up with a color combination of yellow, orange, grey and brown for a blouse. Like we said last time, costume designer Janie Bryant wisely avoided cliche with Joan’s mother, but look at how much costume jewelry she’s wearing with what’s essentially a housekeeping outfit. We wonder if she put all that on for Paolo’s benefit or if she just wears a lot of jewelry no matter what. Joan looks utterly adorable in her maternity top. We’re actually a little surprised at how cute she looks in it because you’d think her boobs would make any loose top look like a tent on her. We’ve said this before about maternity clothes of the period, but they were rarely anything approaching stylish and since it was so common for women to trade maternity clothes back and forth with friends and family members, you’d quite often see a pregnant woman wearing something like this, in a plaid which is clearly several years out of style. It reminds us of Betty’s plaid shirtwaist dresses of five and six years ago.

We just wanted to feature a shot of Harry’s office because we were always struck by how different it is from everyone else’s. Antiques and “early Americana” were quite popular with upwardly mobile couples of the period. We imagine that Harry’s wife decorated this office top to bottom from weekend “antiquing” trips in New England.

For all his attempts to be suave and hip, at the end of the day, Harry dresses like a dork. Note how sloppy the men look this season and picture the men of Sterling Cooper from 5 years before. They used to be impeccable and now they’re wrinkled and mismatched.

Those short-sleeved dress shirts never really did come back, did they? It’s an awful look.

FAB-U-LOUS.

We can’t underestimate how important Megan’s clothes are in the office and how much they set her apart from every other woman. She tends to wear outfits that demand attention.

Check out the rest of the women in the office in comparison.

Caroline isn’t stylishly dressed, but she’s married and an executive secretary, so it stands to reason she has a little more money to spend on clothes than the average gal in the pool. This doesn’t look chic, but it doesn’t look cheap either.

She never fails to make us laugh. The actress has flawless delivery and timing. She’s no Ida Blankenship, but she is a lot of fun. What she did last season with a line like “I do use Pond’s cold cream. I do.” was genius.

As unbelievable as Joan looks in this dress, there was something just a little sad about the whole thing. The costumes tell the story of what Joan’s feeling: everyone at SCDP has moved on and left her behind. Look at the vast differences between her outfit and Meredith’s. Like we said in the previous installment, the secretarial clothes are getting lighter and looser. Meredith looks young and fresh and Joan, as gorgeous as she is, comes off looking like her mother in comparison.

It’s notable (and brilliant on Janie Bryant’s part) that this dress doesn’t quite fit Joan as well as it should. She’s not exactly busting out of it, but you can tell she really had to work to get into it. Chances are she’s not wearing her normal  pre-pregnancy foundation garments. It’s also notable just how hard she’s trying here. Joan never shows cleavage in the office. Ever. And the beading on the sleeves indicates that this really isn’t a work outfit at all. It’s a cocktail dress. She’s using the skills she’s always used in her career.

Note how all the women are in pale colors in order to make Joan stand out like a bolt of lightning.

All except one, that is:

Megan walks into the scene and suddenly Joan has to share the color spotlight; two pinks clashing. There were some hints dropped this episode and we don’t like to make too many predictions because you never know where things are going to go, but we’ll say this and let you make up your minds:

  • Don walks up to Joan and loudly announces how buxom and beautiful she is to the office.
  • Joan’s mother says of Megan, “Do you think that woman wants you around her husband?”
  • Joan says to Lane of Don, “I can’t imagine how handsome that man must be when he blushes.”

Joan and Don have never expressed that kind of attraction to each other. Sure, Joan briefly wondered to Peggy a long time ago why Don never hit on her, but that was mostly the extent of it. Now we’ve got them both mentioning their attraction to the other and Joan and Megan are set up in a scene with these clashing pinks. No predictions, but it sure jumped out at us.

And then there’s Peggy, dressed like no other woman in the office. Janie Bryant said she chose this outfit because it represents a practicality on Peggy’s part. These clothes are easy to work in and slightly mimic menswear.

We want a turquoise desk with a white top and yellow chair now.

Like we said: using what she’s got, like she always has. Even we couldn’t take our eyes off her breasts when she started crying. They looked like they were going to pop out of that dress and fly around the room like popped balloons.

Honestly, we think the only purpose this housecoat served was as a contrast to what was underneath it. That thing sure is ugly.

We think some Mad Men fans are going to have a hard time of it going forward because while the mid-Century styles that defined the first couple seasons of the show are today considered classic, a lot of what was worn in the late ’60s and ’70s was just flat-out ugly to modern eyes.

Even though she’s Canadian, Megan represents a continental international style very much in vogue during this period, much in the same way that Lane has stood in for the British invasion. Matthew Weiner has repeatedly said that he looks at her as if she were a French film star of the period. We mention this now because no woman on the show ever wore a bra and panties that looked like that. Until now, it’s been the standard girdles, bullet bras, and architectural foundation garments that defined post-war women’s fashion. Changes in manufacturing, materials and social norms allowed woman to break free of their undergarments and Megan’s signalling that change. She’s simpler and freer than pretty much every other woman on the show at this point.

She really is giving Betty Draper a run for her money in the “Looks like a cover girl” sweepstakes, isn’t she? We can’t wait for those two to have a scene together. We’re sure their first meeting has already occurred but we’re dying to see how jealous Betty must be. She was really threatened by Bethany Van Nuys last season but that’s because she was a younger version of Betty. Megan must look like a zoo animal to her in comparison.

Anyway, this fabulous outfit – like all the fabulous outfits she wears to the office – signals her money and her power. This kind of stuff contributes to the rest of the staff resenting her and it’s not a particularly bright move on her part. When she and Peggy were having their tiff, we were struck by how difficult it must be for Peggy to act like a supervisor to someone who’s dressed so much better than she is.

And finally, a change is gonna come.

VERY wisely, Janie didn’t do anything cute with the clothes here. These are standard working class woman clothes of the period, not much different than you’d see on Peggy just a couple of years ago (or on her sister or mother). Some of the younger ones are wearing current, stylish clothes (love that hat), but the rest of them are wearing their sturdy go-to’s. That’s exactly as it should be. A lesser costumer might have tried to make a point somehow but Janie’s way is better: the point is, there IS no difference between these women and other working class women of the period. Chances are, these women, like most secretarial candidates on this level, are educated and have a fair amount of work experience but many of them haven’t had the kinds of jobs that allow them to dress in expensive clothes or up-to-the-second styles.

We would love to hear from any black women in the commentariat about the hair here. We wouldn’t try to pass ourselves off as experts on the subject, but that looks like a pretty accurate representation of African-American women’s hair in the ’60s.

 

[Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

    • twocee

      I’ve never watched a second of Mad Men (don’t kill me commentariat, please), but I LOVE the style recaps.  So much fun TLo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kim-Elmore/1308422874 Kim Elmore

        I *started* watching Mad Men b.c of the recaps (and Glee, and Walking Dead, and others!!)

        • http://twitter.com/jaythenerdkid Aaminah Khan

          I started watching Mad Men because of T Lo as well! One of the best decisions I ever made.

          • AMELIA

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        • Jessi03

           Me, too!  I can’t thank TLo enough!

        • StelledelMare

           Ditto. I started watching alot of shows because of our boys here

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6RS6NLL44AED3E4QWIYTDQGU6I Psy_Chick

            I started watching this, Downton Abbey, and GCB because of TLo. I would credit them with getting me into RuPaul’s Drag Race, but my friend Clinton beat them to it.

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

         I sheepishly concur. I’ve never seen any of it. But I LOVE hearing about it.  And the costumer is an Effing Genius at what she does.

        • mjude

          omg, i am not alone.  i dont know why i didnt start watching but i knew i could never catch up.  love the style recaps.

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

             For me, frankly, I watch almost zero TV.  Pretty much the only thing I have been watching the past year or so is PR, and PRAS. So the recaps allow me to stay relatively au courant, without the time suck of endless hours with the TV.  Kudos to T + Lo for taking it for the team every week, without fail, with all their hard work.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

            You can totally catch up! We’re only on season 5; if you watch one season every ten weeks (which would be no hardship if it turns out you like the show), you’ll be all caught up in good time for season 6.

            • Megan Patterson

               Yeah, they’re not very long seasons, even if you were only watching on the weekends you could probably catch up in a couple of months.

        • Mike McGee

          I started watching it from Netflix when TLo started blogging it; will have to wait for the DVDs before I get to see this season. But you come to really care about the characters, and TLo helps you to understand why they are the way they are. It really is quality TV, on a par with the best of PBS.

          • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

             that’s how I typically pick up a series, by waiting for it to show up in DVD release, then I can watch it all, if I like it, in fairly short order.

          • http://twitter.com/ClairRose483 Clair Ellis

            AMC put the first episode online for free. :)

        • oekmama

          I don’t watch either coz I don’t live in the US.
          Reading the recaps and comments, is like discussing art, which is what Janie’s work is like – so subtle.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_64HSRZWCSJ5RBFGCWDLFQOICYM G

         I haven’t either, twocee… but I may have to start after these recaps. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1401197785 Jennifer Peters-Ahnberg

        I hadn’t watched Mad Men either, but loved the “style” posts. When I finally did get around to watching the show, I loved having the opinions and analysis playing in my head!

      • http://theadventuresofmissparadox.tumblr.com/ Miss Paradox

         Same, actually. I’d love to start watching, but I feel like I would need to start at the beginning and, well, without Netflix, that’s a bit of a pipe dream. As with most shows, I’ll rely on the TLo recap :]

        This is also the first time I’ve ever seen a Mad Style post (coming late to the commentariat, you see), and I have to say…J’ADORE.

        I’ve honestly never been as devoted to a blog as I am to this one.

        • Fordzo

          Check your local library! (Yep, I’m a librarian. Shhh!)

          • StelledelMare

             That’s exactly what I did when I first started to watch the show after the first 3 seasons had already aired. Checked them all out at once and had a week long marathon during the summer. One of the best weeks I ever spent inside. You’d be surprised at how many shows your library can have.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

            That’s how I got started on Mad Men a couple seasons in! My local library didn’t have it, but I requested it from another county branch.

        • http://profiles.google.com/dorothymichael Dorothy & Michael n/a

          Can I put in a good word for Netflix and how inexpensive it is?  We live in the country and don’t have a high speed internet connection in order to live-stream. But we are perfectly content with getting DVDs in the mail, and I’d highly recommend trying it. It’s about $8 a month and we really, really enjoy the service.  I mail back a DVD on one day, it arrives the next and the day after that we get our new one.  VERY quick turn around.  Try it!  And put Mad Men Season 1 in your queue.

          • M Carlson

             Dorothy & Michael n/a, we’re in the same boat. No broadband, ditched our dish (there’s never anything good on!), but we love the Netflix DVD delivery.

        • http://profiles.google.com/alison.sigman Alison Sigman

          I must say, if this is the first Mad Style post, that you go & find the rest! Even if you don’t get a chance to watch the rest of the show, the attention to detail they give to the show, as seen in this post, is amazing! I went back and read all of them before this season started. Love them! 

        • http://theadventuresofmissparadox.tumblr.com/ Miss Paradox

           To all: Fabulous, fabulous advice! I plan on following all of it. Thank you kindly!

        • http://twitter.com/ClairRose483 Clair Ellis

          Netflix is cheap! Like 8.42 a month. I actually was able to watch all 4 seasons in the free month trial! I’m slightly addicted to TV though so…but it is worth it. Mad Men is amazing!

      • vanjar

        I only watched the first four episodes. I stopped watching, because I couldn’t stand neither the men nor the women. The clothes of that time period, the early sixties, were gorgeous though.

      • granddelusion

        I did watch a second of it, and that’s why I haven’t watched a second more. I find nothing to recommend this show.

        • Browsery

          I just hope you aren’t one of those benighted souls who thinks Mad Men glorifies the Sixties. 

           It doesn’t.

          • Alisa Rivera

            I don’t like the show either, and it has nothing to do with glorifying the Sixties. It’s because, like vanjar, I couldn’t stand any of the characters. I found it unrelentingly unpleasant. But I love the style recaps. 

      • http://vhanna26.typepad.com Vera

        I’ve never watched the show either, but these style recaps are compelling and shows that in the hands of a talent, clothes and design can tell the story just as much as the acting.

    • Kathy Schrenk

      Women still trade maternity clothes back and forth, or put the ones they bought with their first pregnancy in a box and wear them years later for subsequent pregnancies. I think attitudes toward pregnant women have changed and they are allowed to look pretty and even sexy, wearing items that are tight and show off their breasts and bellies. The clothes are made nicer in the first place so they don’t look so out of date even when 5 years old.

      • http://twitter.com/KathrynTewson Kathryn Tewson

        They aren’t always made nicer. the clothes I borrowed in my last pregnancy, the ones that were 8 or 10 years old, looked better than the ones I bought brand new. This was two years ago.  The new clothes were falling apart before the baby was born, it was awful.

        • Spicytomato1

          I think that’s because until fairly recently you couldn’t find maternity clothes in mass-market retailers. Now that you can find them at Target, and even more downscale places, the quality is severely lacking.

          • UsedtobeEP

            The ones I bought at Target lasted a lot longer than the more expensive ones I got at the mall. Those were truly awful, and made from the worst fabrics imaginable. One wash and they were basically finished.

            • estella_nyc

              I really liked Gap Maternity clothes.  They were almost all cotton and pretty flattering to my belly.  The clothes I purchased at true maternity stores (like Motherhood) were AWFUL – made of synthetic fibers, itchy, ill-fitting, and fell apart quickly.

      • sweetlilvoice

        I was born in 1980 and there is a pic of my mother wearing a very similar maternity plaid dress. I would have never have made that comparison before…thanks gentlemen! I am so excited for this season!

      • Sweetbetty

         The maternity clothes of today don’t even look like maternity clothes so there’s no real reason to not wear them after the birth, unless you’re just sick of wearing them for the last six months or so.  I was pregnant the first time in ’66 and we still wore the “hatching jackets”.  There was no doubt a woman was pregnant when she was wearing maternity clothes.  I’ve put my foot in my mouth so many times in the last decade or so when I thought a woman was pregnant under her stretchy knit top only to find out she wasn’t that I’ve stopped making any assumptions. 

        I had a hard time deciding if that was a maternity top Joan was wearing at home or not.  It had the type of neckline you’d expect (maternity tops of that time usually had some sort of detail at the neckline to supposedly draw attention away from the bulging belly) and it was loose but didn’t look nearly full enough to accommodate a full-term baby bump.  I was really looking forward to seeing a nine-months-pregnant Joan so was disappointed that the baby had already arrived.

        • texashistorian

           I agree! I wanted to see Joan pregnant and working. The interactions with Roger would have been interesting. All my maternity clothes (back in 1998) had Peter Pan collars, so I just don’t see a big difference between then and now, except that now, many of the maternity clothes are more figure-hugging.

    • StelledelMare

      Yes, I think that’s a pretty good black hair representation, thinking back to old pictures I’ve seen of the women in my family. I don’t like to make many predictions with this show either but I’m sure we’d all just love it if something did happen between Joan and Don.

      • http://twitter.com/arodenha Alli

        I’m the opposite – I never want anything to happen between Joan and Don because I think they respect each other too much to screw up their dynamic with sex. Noooo!

        • formerlyAnon

          I feel like, unintentionally, Don drags down the women he’s with. I don’t want that for our Joanie.

          • http://twitter.com/paperdoll1967 Amy Graham

            hasn’t roger already pulled Joan pretty low…don might be a step up from that and the husband who raped her in one episode…

            • formerlyAnon

              Well, obviously a lot of this is just my interpretation, but:

              Joan may be a bit at sea right now – but Roger didn’t pull her anywhere, IMO. Their sex was consensual, she chose not to abort the baby – AND apparently chose to let him believe that she had aborted it. (at least that was my interpretation).  I feel like she’s been in command of herself in her dealings with Roger.

              Don, somehow, seems to always either bring emotional drama down on his women or to draw it out of them – and it’s not the cathartic kind of emotion, it’s the kind that leaves you in a worse place, emotionally than you started.

              And, I hate to even mention this because I feel certain it will not sit well with many: I don’t think, from Joan’s POV, that the rape incident is the root of the problem with her husband.  Not that it was a good thing – or even insignificant, although she’d like to treat it as if it were.  But many (most?) couples have incidents between them where someone was cruel, or dismissive, or hurt or disappointed their partner in a big way. Many (most?) times they get beyond it, especially if it is not repeated.  What dooms her partnership with her husband is that he’s a weaker character than she is – and while she might be o.k. with propping him up emotionally if he were successful at his profession, he’s not alpha there, either.  I think Joan expects ‘her man’ to be at least her equal – if you asked her, given the times, she’d probably say she wanted a husband she could respect, admire and look up to.  Her hubby ain’t that.

            • Glammie

              Well, I think the date-rape was part of that dynamic.  He raped her in the office *because* he felt weak.  He did it to dominate her.  What Don and Megan did as some sort of weird consensual game, Dr. Rapey did in earnest.  

              Okay, it’s a little scary to think of *any* of Don’s sexual relationships being relatively healthy compared to someone else’s.  He’s a sick puppy, but at least he’s a sick puppy in a consensual relationship.  And I’ll hand it to Weiner & Co., they’ve moved Megan from bit part secretary to intriguing leading lady.  And Betty Draper, disgruntled, falls neatly into the background.  It’s a pretty neat hat trick.  It doesn’t hurt that Jessica Pare pulls off black better than January Jones.

              What came off to me this episode is that Joan is looking dated–her dress style is dated, her aspirations are looking dated, her body type is dated, her sexual mores are dated.  Ironically, she’s more comfortable with the “older” generation, but has the young husband.  Meanwhile, Don and Roger have wives who are of a different, younger generation than them.  

              But Joan’s a survivor, I see her, somehow, getting right back into things in her Joan way.  

            • MK03

              I would LOVE to see what went down between Roger and Joan when she started showing. You just know that was one hell of a conversation.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

               I’m inclined to think the rape is something Joan doesn’t much dwell on. It’s entirely possible it wouldn’t have been the first time something like that happened to her. Thankfully, I presume it won’t happen again.

              I think she truly loves Greg. Not in a passionate, white-hot way, but she seems to genuinely care for him. And he loves her too. You make a great point about her being a much stronger person than he is, and that it dooms their relationship. On the other hand, think about when she cut herself while making dinner. She wanted him to take her to the emergency room, and he insisted that he could take care of it himself. She didn’t trust him to do it right, but he did do it right. Then she cried her eyes out for doubting him.

              I wonder why they even wrote that incident into the show. Greg has since been shown to be, if sometimes kind of whiny and petulant, not a bad guy. He’s not been a brute towards her. He doesn’t beat her or berate her. He’s kind to her, and even deferential on occasion. OK, he joined the Army without checking with her first, but, hell. Back then, husbands did a lot of things without checking with their wives first. Anyway, no matter what he does, most viewers only see him as Dr. Rapey. Understandably, IMO. And it sort of muddies his character, instead of making him complicated. I think, in the long run, it was a mistake.

            • formerlyAnon

              “I’m inclined to think the rape is something Joan doesn’t much dwell on. It’s entirely possible it wouldn’t have been the first time something like that happened to her. ”

              Absolutely agree. It is only in the last decade or two that “date rape” is openly talked about as something that happens – of course, it always has happened, but it wasn’t acknowledged openly and even today an awful lot of people don’t want to acknowledge that it’s the same thing as “real rape” (whatever that’s supposed to mean) because the parties know each other [eta: more accurate to say because the parties are in a sexual or potentially sexual relationship]. Denial would probably be Joan’s go-to.

            • Glammie

              I think it was, in part, to make it okay with viewers that Joan A) cheated on him and B) is passing off another man’s baby as his.  If we liked him better, it would be harder to sympathize with her. 

          • Mike McGee

            I agree….I think they would both feel regret afterwards.

        • http://annequichante.wordpress.com/ Anne

          I think it would be really contrived if anything happened between them–they just don’t have that spark, though they have great friend chemistry (just thinking about the scenes just after the lawnmower incident, in the hospital waiting room). 

          • http://twitter.com/Tatiana_Putra Tatiana Putra

            I can’t remember but does Don know that Roger and Joan had a thing? (he had to, right? although i don’t remember any episodes where it explicitly came up) I feel that just like the whole “we don’t make fun of each others wives” code they have, Don wouldn’t sleep with someone who Roger did? At least I HOPE HOPE HOPE not. Do not want to see anything between those two. I feel like they have a brother and sister relationship. Joan hooks Don up with unattractive secretaries while he helps keep her position open for her to come back to. They’ve platonically got each other’s backs…. 

            • norseofcourse

              He knows. In the episode where they make Roger come in after his heart attack (to reassure Lucky Strike that he’s still healthy), Roger calls Joan “honey” in front of Don and Bert, and the two of them exchange glances of surprise. 

            • Browsery

              And at some other point Bert tells Joan that it’s not of his business, but she should not waste her youth on Roger.  If Bert knows, I assume Don knows.

            • Glammie

              Yes, particularly as Don is always supposed to be the most sexually attuned of the men–he’s the whore’s son and he’s always known how to use his sexuality to manipulate women.  I think it’s one of the things that makes him such an interesting character.  He gets sex in a particular way.  

        • Sweetbetty

           I would like to see something develop between them in the show’s last season, hopefully a long, long time from now.  They’d both be in their 60s, kids grown and gone, currently single though they had both had their share of relationships, and they’d suddenly look at each other one day and realize that they were meant for each other.  It would never have worked when they were in their 30s, 40s, or even their 50s, but they knew now who the perfect person to spend their sunset years with was.

    • Kayceed

      I see that gloves are still being worn on the street – both Megan and Joan. Won’t they be phasing out soon?

      • Jecca2244

        part of me wishes gloves would make a comeback!

      • TheDivineMissAnn

        I was wondering the same thing.

      • annieanne

        That was the one thing that struck me as jarring with Megan’s styling. I don’t remember younger women still wearing gloves by 1966. Especially not in New York.
        I actually thought it was more of Janie’s genius to have Joan still wearing them — pointing out her more old fashioned ways — until I saw that she still had them on Megan as well.

      • Sweetbetty

        Yes, I was noticing Joan wearing gloves while reading the comments on her behind-the-times work visit dress then noticed that fashion-forward Megan was wearing them as she entered the office too.  I don’t remember wearing gloves myself in that era but I do remember having to wear my white gloves to church every Sunday as a child.

        • baxterbaby

          I remember that if we were going to Radio City Music Hall for one of the big shows (like the Easter Show) gloves might be worn because we were “dressed up” (and we dressed up for so many things, even in the Sixties).   Church, for sure, because we were still wearing head coverings (mantillas were replacing hats on young women and girls, thanks Jackie!) and white gloves went with the territory.  If my mother was doing full on Suburban Splendor, she may have worn them, but it’s my remembrance that “a lady always wears a hat and gloves” was on it’s way out by ’66.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

             Around that time my mother only wore gloves to church, and only if she was wearing a coat. I think it was mostly because she had some good gloves left and was using them up.

    • DominoEstella

      yes, I can’t wait to see Betty and Megan have a conversation.

      • JosephLamour

        Me too. I’m surprised it isnt mentioned how Megan’s hair moves. It’s always a little bit like she was making out with Don in the supply closet and she forgot to fix it. While Joan, Peggy and when we see her I’M SURE Betty’s hair is like a wig.

        • Sweetbetty

           Joan’s hair amazes me.  She wears it in such a complicated up-do that it doesn’t seem possible she does it herself at home and it looks like even a hurricane wouldn’t blow a hair out of place.

          • Ogden1990

            Curlers in before bedtime, then wrap it all up in tissue or some other protective substance for a good night’s sleep ..finally lots and lots and lots of hairspray. At least that’s what my mother did to preserve her do.

            • mixedupfiles

               My mom got it done once a week at the hair salon, then wrapped it every night. Brushed it out on Wednesday evening, and went to the salon the next morning. The hairstyles were as constricting as the girdles.

            • Sweetbetty

               Oh, I remember that routine, and I still wonder how we managed to sleep on that head full of big rollers.  But Joan’s do is much more than just curled and sprayed.  Try to get a good look at the back top of her head.  It’s a very intricately arranged style that would be difficult for anyone to do on their own head.  Once mama has returned home and she’s dealing with the baby on her own I predict Joan switches to a simpler style.

            • Abigael Casey

              Actually, as someone who does vintage styles on a daily basis, it’s not as difficult as it looks! Most of Joan’s more intricate styles are actually simple when you know vintage styling techniques. Like all those office updo’s actually make use of pincurls, which any woman growing up through the 40’s and 50’s would have mastered at a young age. In fact, my go-to ‘Oh dear, I’m in a hurry and only have 10mins to do my hair’ hairstyle is inspired by Joan’s amazing office looks. Yes, it takes practice, but I honestly think it would take me less time to do a vintage hair-do than it would for someone to straighten their hair for a modern look. And if you remember that the women of the time would have grown up doing more intricate styles, it’s not really that surprising that she could manage something like that, even with looking after a baby.

    • http://twitter.com/arodenha Alli

      Is it weird that I was looking forward to the return of “Mad Style” more than the return of the actual show? My favorite recap EVER!

    • Judy_J

      My mom had several dresses similar to those worn by Megan in the office.  The mid-60’s fashions were an explosion of color and pattern…bright florals, geometric prints, lots of paisley.  My mom sewed for herself and for my sister and me, so we spent a lot of time in the fabric stores.  I loved looking at the pattern books and choosing fabrics.  Fabric stores have a distinctive smell that always takes me back to my childhood.

      • Kayceed

        My favorite thing is matching coats and dresses – fabulosity!

      • shopgirl716

        I still like to go to fabric stores and look at patterns.  I also spent a lot of time playing with the boas and looking at buttons.  I guess I’ve always been an accessories girl.

    • Frank_821

      I actually like the under current that Megan may be threatened by Joan. That’s very flattering for Joan even though she never seriously looked at Don that way. It does speak a lot about Joan and how formidable and impressive of a woman she actually is.

      Actually if Don ever got his shit together, he and Joan could make a great partnership. Otherwise I wouldn’t want anything to ever be between them

      • http://6things.blogspot.com par3182

         What if Megan knows of Joan’s reputation before she was Mrs Harris? Looking for a husband and a good time, not necessarily in that order (I’m paraphrasing Peggy from way back when). Not so flattering from that perspective.

        • Frank_821

          Well regardless of Joan’s rep from the 50s, I still think it is still flattering for Joan that an attractive newlywed who’s probably 10 yrs her junior feels threatened by her when it comes to her husband. 

          Of course Megan should be more concerned down the line with just about any woman outside the office

        • Maggie_Mae

          What if Jane bent her ear about Joan?  I’m sure Jane knows that Joan & Roger had a past–although she does NOT know about the baby.  And Joan was the one who fired Jane–making her run to Roger….

          I could definitely see Jane sowing discord by feeding Megan rumors & lies.  After all, they have SO much in common, being young & fashionable second wives to older, distinguished ad men.  (I’m not sure what to think about Megan–which is a good plot development.  But she’s worth far more than Jane.)

    • BayTampaBay

      TLo stated “We think some Mad Men fans are going to have a hard time of it going forward because while the mid-Century styles that defined the first couple seasons of the show are today considered classic, a lot of what was worn in the late ’60s and ’70s was just flat-out ugly to modern eyes.”

      I could not agree more!  To prove your point, all one has to do is watch reruns of Bewitched.  In the Early season 1964-1967 the clothes and costume jewelry is beauticul, classic  and would be right at home to day with coupl modifications.  Starting with the 1968 season everything looks cheap, tacky and/or god-awful ugly ……including the decorating.

      • sweetlilvoice

        God yes! And that horrible nasty carpet too. Wasn’t it green?

        I shuddered when I saw the entryway in the Draper apartment-a mirror with that weird crackle/stain effect and a horrid chandelier. I looked at a condo with one of those once.
         

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        The funny thing is that even while we were wearing those clothes, we knew they were ugly. The 70s were an ugly time altogether – war, protests, Watergate, etc. – and the clothes reflected that. I for one was glad to see the decade end.

        • Browsery

          Not that I had all that much control over what I was wearing, but yes, I knew that 90% of 70s and 80s styles were hideous.

          I HATE the whole color palette.  Orange, greeny-yellow, brown.  YUCK!

          I also hate Megan’s geometric pattern coat.  On my computer, it looks orange.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

             Velour Shirts. I liked how they felt, but HATED wearing them.

          • Maggie_Mae

            By the late 60’s, I was on my own & dressing myself.  Without much money, as I was a student and/or working hippie jobs.  Yeah, there were drugs (for some), politics (for some) & music (for all); with much overlapping of subsets.  

            But nearly all of us abhorred the polyester neon look. And the “earth tones” that had nothing to do with the Whole Earth Catalog–but matched the mustard, brown & avocado green appliances in “modern” kitchens.  (As a renter, I was learning that gas cooked much better than my Mom’s electric stove.) 

            So we went to resale shops, army surplus & ethnic shops–and made clothes or had other make them.  Lots of denim, of course!

      • MK03

        As I was watching the party scene, I thought to myself “God, style is about to get REALLY fucking ugly…”

    • ms_mouse

      I actually HAD that turquoise desk, but with a “walnut” top, in the mid-’70s!

    • http://twitter.com/ursny UrsNY

      It may be true that late 60s thru 70s styles would be ugly to modern (meaning younger?) eyes. In my childhood memory, they do seem louder with their bold patterns in bright colors, but I remember them fondly. And frankly, as someone who works in present day Midtown, the overwhelming presence of this whole neo-retro-ladylike-prissy trend has exhausted itself with me. I’m ready for something less mannered and fitted in real life.

      Of course, YMMV, I also remember 70s decay and pollution fondly. Not that it was a good thing, but it was a concrete authenticity that’s very hard to find today.

      • suzq

        If you need a dose of it, there’s always the Madison Square Garden/Penn Station complex.

        • http://twitter.com/ursny UrsNY

          Oh yeah, that stretch of 34th St west of 7th Ave is trapped in amber. Stinky, filthy amber.

    • natasha2marie

      Just brilliant. I, like many readers here, started watching Mad Men because of your style recaps. Thanks for the insight!

      Who is the actress that plays Joan’s mother?

      • http://twitter.com/arodenha Alli

        Christine Estabrook – she’s one of those actresses who seems to be in every show I watch.

      • Frank_821

        I forgot her name but she’s skilled at playing total bitches-either direct or passive aggressive ones. She was on Desperate Housewives their first season and you kind of cheered when she got killed

        • OmegaMu

          And wasn’t it Duck (Mark Moses) who killed her?

          • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

            Sure was.

        • sweetlilvoice

          She was also the nutty realtor on American Horror Story too….another show I started watching due to this blog.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

             Yes! I knew I’d seen her in something very recently. Thank you, because it was bugging me.

            She’s totally one of those “Hey, It’s That Guy” actors. Always working, always good to great, but you don’t always remember their names.

        • MK03

          She also played all the adult women in Spring Awakening. She had some hardcore bitchery to work with there…

          • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

             When I saw this actress all I could think was “I didn’t know Laura Bush did cameos!”

    • http://twitter.com/PhDKnitter marlie

      The hair looks like a pretty accurate interpretation, from what I can tell from my mom’s pictures from the 60’s.

      And as always, great recap!!

      • Browsery

        Many of the hairstyles look like wigs, but they appear to be wigs made from straightened African American hair.  But as pointed out earlier, “Negroes” did come in more than shade.

      • Jennifer Coleman

        Yeah, those wigs are pretty shiny. I’d like to see something that reflects some ultra sheen and a stove-heated pressing comb. Relaxers were still not universally used at this point, and afros were a definite no-no in the workplace I, too would like to see Mad Men reflect lots of colors. And to be really blunt, at this type of firm in the 1960’s, they would likely be hiring light-skinned blacks.

    • Frank_821

      Forgot to mention. You make a great point that Megan’s naivete and lack of awareness is adding to the resentment of the other workers. It’s only normal for people to think she might be a bit of a gold-digger or at least a user-no matter how nice or hard working she is. Being Don’s wife, she simply will not have to claw and struggle as much as someone like Peggy. The expensive faboo clothes and PDA makes it look like she’s flaunting her position.

      • Jennifer Coleman

        It seems to me that the sight of Don and Megan sweeping into the office, a professional couple and one so glamourous was electrifying. Where did this happen regularly in the 1960s?? Even though Megan is just a junior copyrighter, she is still working after marriage and not as a secretary or out of financial need. Even though the underside of this is she is working solely for Don to be able to see her during the day (and THAT is a complete about face for him), the office has taken the place of the cocktail or dinner party where Don got to show off Betty. Maybe that desire for her to be seen from 9 to 5 factored into his dismay at her being on display at the party. 
        Even so, the husband & wife work partner scenario was representative of truly creative careers (artists, writers et al) and rare in other fields until the 1970s. They are really pushing the envelope.

        • megohd

          I’ll be interested to see if Megan is any  good at her job, and if she stands up to Don and demands to take her job more seriously (meaning: actually showing up for a full day). You’re right, they’re pushing the envelope, but it seems like a big joke, as foolish as Roger ever was re: Jane. 

          As of this episode I’m completely unimpressed by Megan the junior copywriter. Though I felt for her, re: Harry’s awful behavior, I was disgusted by her pity party. “You’re all so cynical.” Hmm, maybe so, but Peggy and others worked pretty damn hard to be where they are. 

        • Megan Patterson

           I was actually quite surprised that, while yes, she has been promoted to copywriter, she’s still a JUNIOR copywriter, and has to do all the crappier jobs, like writing coupons.

          • Jennifer Coleman

            I’m saying this with my 2012 goggles on, but it’s kind of a bummer seeing that Peggy is so good at her job, the guys have not hired more talented women. Megan, notwithstanding her stated interest in the field last year (I suspect said more to impress Don), got the jr copyrighting job only because she’s married to Don and he promoted her for his vanity/love/lust, not talent. 

    • formerlyAnon

      I was struck, even in the scenes where the whole point was how exhausted she was, with how good Joan is allowed to look in her “disheveled new mother” scenes at home.  She and Trudy both looked tired – but Joan had a fragile (I know, odd word for Joan) beauty shining through despite the hollow eyes and Trudy just looked dowdy.

      Maybe that’s just because Christina Hendrix is so lovely.

      • margaret meyers

        Was Trudy made up to look bloated?  Was she wearing a double chin and some padding?

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          Yes, it appears so in the kitchen scene. And her baby is several months older than Joan’s. But it is implied that she is going through some serious post-partum depression.

          • http://twitter.com/nkk Nikki

            Alas, there was no such thing back then, oh just “baby blues” was something to get over.  Thank goodness psychology has changed so much!  (I was always shocked that they treated some aspects of this with a modern view, but I think that would take too much away from it)

      • Whever

        Yeah, it’d probably have to be because of Christina Hendrick’s inherent loveliness- as pretty as Allison Brie may be, CH looks like a sexpot Renaissance angel.

      • eclare

        I don’t think fragile is an odd word choice at all for Joan here.  She’s on very uneven footing and feels extremely vulnerable.  Trudy is much more secure in who she is and where she is in life – she was born and raised to be an executive’s wife so in a way she can afford to look a little dowdy without sacrificing her self-confidence.  Joan’s life is much more complex and confusing. She is not at all where she expected to be – she’s not a surgeon’s wife, but she’s now that she has a baby she’s not the supremely confident “career-gal” either.   

        • BayTampaBay

          Also, we must remember that Joan lives in NYC and Trudy lives in the burbs.  No matter where I have lived, I have found that women who live in the burbs tend to dress more dowdy, no matter what their personal style, in comparison to their city sisters.

        • MilaXX

           Agreed, Joan’s life is fragile at this point. Dimwit husband, new baby frazzling her nerves, and then the prospect of losing the one thing she excelled in; her job. Trudy is privileged and is likely following in her mother’s footsteps. To be honest I thought both Trudy and Pete looked pretty dowdy, almost like they were morphing into versions of their parents.

      • Browsery

        I’ve sometimes thought that Joan looked a bit too large than life.  But Cristina Hendricks looked absolutely gorgeous.

      • Glammie

        She does have a beautiful neck and face.  However, given how awful she’s looked on the red carpet, I don’t think it’s simply Christina Hendrick’s inescapable loveliness.  I think we’re seeing a bit of Joan’s basic pride in herself as opposed to Trudy just kind of throwing it all out the window.  Trudy looked incredibly stylish last season and now–wow, I didn’t know Alison Brie could look that frumpy.  

      • http://twitter.com/_KarenX Karen Miller

         Also, Joan’s got only herself and her baby to cater to, with help so far from her mother (who, personality conflicts aside, is being a help with the baby). Trudy’s got to keep Pete happy as well as the baby, or hear from him when she doesn’t. Trudy’s baby is also older and needs more from her. Tiny babies you have to tend to a lot, but you don’t have to entertain them as much.

    • siriuslover

      Your posts are making me want to start watching Mad Men again.

    • tallgirl1204

      You picked the screen-cap of the African American woman who I am betting on as the “hire” for the office.  I re-ran the scene, to see who stood out in the group.  Her eye contact and smile as she handed in her resume said “I’ve got the job” to me.  We’ll see if my predictions are right!  Also, (this comment really belongs in the general post), the comment by one of her friends about Megan being “a good actress” really struck me, especially Megan’s reaction to it– startled, a little scared.  Lastly, I don’t think Don and Joan will get together.  I think they recognize each other as people who leverage their own charm to get what they want.  I frankly think that our Joanie is going to fall– hard– for the ridiculously handsome plumber.  I noticed how well they matched each other physically and clothing wise in that scene, and I think it was foreshadowing. 

      Lastly-lastly-lastly, the whole two hour episode is currently available on-line, which is how I got to watch it last night! 

      • formerlyAnon

        Yeah, he IS one good looking guy, isn’t her?

        • margaret meyers

          I was hoping he was Tony Ward.  No such luck.

          • enonymous

            I thought of Tony Ward, too.

      • Hetha Innis

        I agree about the screen cap being the new hire! She looks like the actress who plays Tara’s drunk-turned-saved mother in True Blood. 

        • http://twitter.com/MFMblog MusingsFromManhattan

          I thought the same thing! I kept staring at her trying to figure out if it was her. 

      • Julie Parr

        I agree with this. Plus, she is a known actress so it’s got to be her.

        • sweetlilvoice

          If so…that’s great news! Loved her in TB-“I’ve got demons in me!”

    • mommyca

      about Don and Joan dynamic, this is an excerpt from Mo Ryan’s interview with Jon Hamm:

      MR: I read somewhere that you said you and Christina have a lot
      of scenes this season, and people were like, “Ohhh, what does that
      mean?”
      JH: What I said was — of course, it was completely blown up — and I stand
      by this statement because I think it’s accurate, is that the Don-Joan
      dynamic is explored. [When I said that at an event,] a gasp went through
      the crowd, and I was like “What? They work together. They know each
      other. They’ve known each other for many, many years.”

      MR: You know people want them to get together.
      JH: I think that’s crazy.

      MR: I understand that response, but there is that amazing scene
      in “Guy Walks Into An Advertising Agency” where they have this
      conversation, and there’s this vibe between them. A warmth. As a viewer,
      you’re thinking, “These two people, they’re scrappers. They’re
      self-reliant, and they get each other.”
      JH: The interesting thing is that you say they get each other. I look at it
      this way: They know each other. They’ve worked together for a long time
      and all I can say is that we explore it. We explore that dynamic.

      MR: Only professionally. Right?
      JH: It’s interesting. It’s an interesting dynamic and I’m glad that Matt
      wanted to explore it.

      the whole interview here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/mad-men-jon-hamm_n_1339875.html
       

    • mommyca

      in this interview with Maureen Ryan and Jon Hamm, there is an explanation of this Joan-Don dynamic:
       http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/mad-men-jon-hamm_n_1339875.html

    • margaret meyers

      I love Harry’s office, and I think it is more a comment on “decorated” versus “Decorated.”  A Decorator wouldn’t have three lamps in three different styles.  A Decorator thinks “Big Picture” and creates an office like Roger’s or Don’s, where the pieces are harmonious and present a unified vision of the room and its owner.  Harry’s office says “I saw this chair with the rattan weave fabric and I said “I’ve seen that in magazine ads, so I’ll buy it.  And I needed a lamp and this one was the right height so I bought it.  And I saw this
      big desk and I said that’s a cool desk and I bought it.  And everyone else has liquor in their office so I saw this little cart and I said I can put liquor on that….”  Harry buys what he likes, or what presents itself, and that’s how his office comes to look like this. 
      I like Harry.

      • makeityourself

        For some reason I’m thinking that Harry stole some of his office furniture from a hotel suite the agency used as a temporary office. Does anyone else remember this or am I just going nuts?

    • shopgirl716

      Megan looks great in her underwear.  I really felt for Joan – I had my kids in my thirties and it is a difficult adjustment from a capable working woman to someone who has lost complete control of her environment.  That baby runs your life and it is HARD. You’re lonely and isolated and hormonal and feeling guilty because you really want some time away from the baby to feel like yourself again.

      • malarkey

        Yep. There were a lot of posts about being ‘glad to see Joan being motherly’ ~ but my impression was this. She wanted a BREAK from the baby. When her mom offered to take the baby for a walk she said “would you???!” in such a relieved tone, then collapsed on the bed. 

        • shopgirl716

          And I knew exactly how she felt.  Isolated, overwhelmed and exhausted.  Christina Hendricks did a great job this episode.  People keep speculating about her and Don but I don’t see her having any time for affairs.  She’s a single mother with no family in town and she wants to go back to work.  Somehow I doubt the mid sixties workplaces were very flexible for issues such as sick babies and flaky nannies.  Working at home was not an option.  Joan is probably going to have to choose between work and baby.

          • formerlyAnon

            Workplaces were not just not flexible, the default was that you worked exactly the same as if there were no children at home.  One of the reasons that strict ideas of what jobs were “women’s” and which “men’s” was accepted was that often, the lower pay, status and responsibility of a “woman’s” job meant you also had boundaries on what the job asked of you – a lowly file clerk or gal in the typing pool (if she didn’t want to get promoted) could, in most work places, insist on leaving at closing time, thus allowing her to get home and be mom and/or wife. (Though missing work for a child-related reason was frowned upon and was not universally tolerated, it depended on who you worked for).  A “man’s ” job, on the other hand, pre-supposed that your work would take precedence over your home life, at least 98.7% of the time.

            Especially if he had a commute, it was absolutely normal for a father to leave the house before the kids were awake and to get home after the younger ones were in bed. 

        • formerlyAnon

          Yup, been there! Though I think she does come across as motherly – but at the same time as someone who’s finding being a mother a tough gig.

    • http://twitter.com/smAshleyWint Ashley Wint

      I would sing Zou Bisou Bisou in front of my co-workers in order to have Megan’s coral chevron coat. To die.

      • KaileeM

         Ha! You and me both!

    • ballerinawithagun

      I agree with you completely on Megan’s undergarments. I had posted that she was French (I was corrected by someone to, of course, French-Canadian) but she is still much more cosmopolitan than the other women. She also now has the money to spend on better undergarments so she would be wearing the new style–no longer foundations. Her clothing is fabulous. Love the color blocking! The British invasion has taken place and New York is not the current fashion capital–London is.
      Joan’s body and clothing are a safety net for the mature men at the office. Her body doesn’t work with the new clothing.
      A friend’s mother used to say, “When I was skinny everyone wanted to look like Marilyn Monroe, now I look like Marilyn Monroe and everyone wants to look like Twiggy.”

      • MK03

        As good as Megan looks in skimpy underwear, I hate hate HATE those high-cut briefs. It’s like someone set out to design a pair of panties that won’t look good on anyone, no matter how gorgeous they are.

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      Love that Joan is wearing a baggy maternity top. The reason it doesn’t look like a tent is because she’s not breastfeeding. If she were, the shirt might not even fit.

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        Interestingly, when we wore that type of maternity top after the baby was born, the front of it hung lower than the back since their wasn’t a big tummy to hold it out. On Joan, her breasts hold it out so much, the top is actually shorter in front.

      • marywv

        Good point. I often forget that women of the era didn’t nurse unless they were poor. It’s funny how much things change, because now it’s frowned upon not to breastfeed!

    • Paigealicious

      I picked up on the Joan/Don hints too…but I would *hate* it if the show went that direction. I always appreciated their relationship because it was just friendly and respectful…two attractive people *can* have a professional/friendly relationship without having to have sexual tension there…

      • margaret meyers

        Don knows not sleep with the women who he needs — so Peggy and Joan are verbotten. He needs them for work.  And Joan — she likes to have fun, but she’s smart enough not to sleep around the office too much.  Being selective maintains her value.   

        • eclare

          I also think Joan legitimately loves Roger in a way that would never allow her to sleep with Don.  Its funny that she can marry another man entirely and nothing would really change between her and Roger, but I think she would view sleeping with Don as being unfaithful to Roger in a way.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

            yup

          • MilaXX

             I agree. I honestly think that Roger is the one that got away for Joan. I’m not ruling it out, but I just don’t see a Joan?Don hook up. In some way I almost see a game recognizes game mutual admiration in them in the way they both use their sexuality.

            • eclare

              I dunno…I agree in part, but I also think that Joan is smart enough to know that as an actual relationship partner Roger would be a nightmare.  I mean, I do think that Roger is the love of her life and I’m sure she occasionally dreams about “what if,” but I think she’s also practical enough to know that the relationship that they have right now is as good as it would ever get for them.  Better to be mostly apart and stay in love than get together and begin to hate each other.

            • Sweetbetty

               Roger has turned into such a jerk that it’s amazing that a smart woman like Joan would still be in love with him.  But then, love is blind and maybe she’s just seeing the Roger she fell in love with so many years ago and the newer version doesn’t register with her.

            • eclare

              I dunno…Roger has pretty much always been a jerk.  He’s can still be extremely charming, though.

            • Glammie

              Well, Joan played by the traditional office-romance rules and never assumed Roger should leave his wife for her.  Jane came on the scene and Roger impulsively broke up his marriage, which I think was a real WTF for Joan, even though she’d moved on and gotten engaged to Dr. Rapey.

              I think, however, that Joan would have married Roger and made things work if Roger left Mona earlier.  And as awful as Roger can be, I think they would have been reasonably happy together.  She can bring out the best in him.

              That said, I miss Mona Sterling.  That she’s John Slattery’s RL wife gave their scenes a certain natural dynamic, like they really knew each other and their rhythms.  

            • MilaXX

              oh yes I agree. Love of her life & what ifs, bust she also knows realistically they are better off where they are.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              You nailed it on all fronts. Roger probably is the love of her life, but I believe she stopped wanting to marry him a long time ago. He’s important to her, but she’s too smart to think marrying him
              would have been a good move.  Roger cares about her more than he cares about anyone, but only as
              far as he’s capable of giving a crap about anybody besides himself. He’s
              shallow and childish and a miserable drunk. She knows that (who doesn’t, at this point), and she probably thinks she dodged a bullet. She’d be right. And he doesn’t deserve her.

            • Andrea Rossillon

              Also, everyone seems to forgetting here how disappointed in Roger Joan was when he admitted to her that he’d lost the Lucky Strike account long before he “told” everyone. He showed his fear and weakness right there, but what’s more, he betrayed the confidence she had in him. He was always wonderful and confident and someone she could respect, and that’s not true anymore.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Yep. Disappointed and mad. Then she covered up for him, which I imagine she felt was her only choice. But I’d pay good money to see what would have happened if she’d ratted him out.

        • Browsery

          Don only likes women he can control.  Joan seems to like men who are immature in some way (Roger and her creepy boy-man rapist husband).  Don’s boyishness is more elusive.

    • jblaked

      I know TLo said Don and Megan’s new apartment looked a little on the cheap side – but I love, love, love it. Want to see more! Am also very excited about Betty and Megan’s first scene together. I like Betty – and i realize i stand alone – so I’m hoping there will be some sort of understanding/kindness between the two. Unlikely, I know.

      • BayTampaBay

        I always liked Betty too and never understanded all the Betty hate nor do I understand all the Megan hate.

        Betty may be considered a bad mother but how can you expect her to understand her daughter when she doesn’t understand herself.  Back to clothes…cannot wait to see what they do with Betty this season.

        • Browsery

          I find Betty fascinating, and of course, beautiful.  Yes, she’s also selfish and petulant, but she wasn’t raised to be much more than gorgeous and organize a home.  I never understand why people say she’s stupid.  She went to Bryn Mawr and is quite well-spoken.

          If I lived in her time period IRL I would be beneath her notice and if I met her counterpart today I’d hate her.  But I enjoy considering her as a viewer.

          • http://twitter.com/asciident Melissa Brogan

             I think Betty having gone to Bryn Mawr in particular was one of the few “goofs” on the writers’ part. Another one of the seven sisters, sure, but not Bryn Mawr. (You can google Betty Draper Bryn Mawr if you’re interested, but I think it’s pretty evident that she’s not really the type.)

            • Glammie

              Yep.  I think it’s because she’s supposed to be Philadelphia mainline and they thought Bryn Mawr would fit with that, but Betty isn’t an intellectual type and Bryn Mawr always had that kind of reputation.  I’d pick Mt. Holyoke or Wellesley, both of which a little more MRS. in orientation at the time.  Betty’s one of the most conservative characters on the show.

            • mamacita32

              Mt Holyoke? Hmm… I was thinking Vassar. But then, as a MHC grad, I would say that,wouldnt I? ;)

            • Glammie

              Vassar seems a little to the left of Betty, but I could see Betty enjoying her tea and cookies a la *Uncommon Women and Others* at Mt. Holyoke.  Though in some ways, she doesn’t seem very Seven Sisters at all, but more one of the various semi-finishing school women’s colleges.  That may be January Jones fault though.  

      • luciaphile

        It’s post-War construction and that may account for the “cheap” vibe. In fact Harry made a comment about it being post-War.

    • bluefish

      My favorite outfit here is actually Peggy’s white blouse, cool shirt, and spectator pumps.  She looks great.  Poor Joan — that pink number is hideous.  And I like that Megan’s body looks like a 60s physique — soft, bit of lovely flab around the tummy.  None of the rockhard look that has become de rigeur for notions of feminine beauty.  Megan’s hair is a 60s dream also — straight and shiny.  I suffered like a dog through that time with my curly, unruly hair — thank heavens for the 70s!

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        That shot of Peggy holding the baby: Her red plaid skirt is very much like the plaid jacket worn by Pete at the party. And there she is, stuck alone with a baby she doesn’t want. Coincidence? Not with Janie Bryant at the wheel.

    • bluefish

      PS — To those who don’t watch the show, don’t deny yourselves the pleasure!  It’s by far the best thing on tv.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

        I measure shows on how much I want to talk about them afterwards, with the ultimate example being LOST.  Mad Men is tops right now for me in that category. Other shows I watch and enjoy, but there’s nothing much to talk about afterwards. 

    • NDC_IPCentral

      What a wonderful gift to the commentariat – two MM style posts in two days.  More great insights and brain food for us MM-obsessed.  Thanks again, Tom and Lorenzo.

      I have to say, as someone who was a teenager in the 60s, I remember an awful lot of these looks.  The housecoats and the prints used in them – spot on, including Megan’s in the post-party clean up scene.  Big florals done in polyester.

      I was thinking on Sunday night that Joan’s wearing white gloves for her trip to the office (and seeing Megan’s which I’d overlooked) seemed not quite right.  However, I have just remembered my summer as an intern/assistant at a Manpower recruiting office in My Old Home Town in 1969, and one of the components of the “Here’s your Manpower Girl assignment kit” were little white gloves.  Only wrist length and only in polyester, but still…. white gloves.  (a pair of which, really beat up, are in my nightstand for use as nocturnal winter-hand-cream-insulators some 43 years on)

      MM S5 E2 in three days.  Happy-happy, joy-joy!

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        Did you notice that even when Joan went out in her casual maternity clothes, she had a scarf tied to her purse?

    • TheOriginalLulu

      I don’t know why I don’t watch this show. That man is the secks. Damn he looks good in a suit.
      Anyway, even as a non-watcher, I always enjoy reading your analyses of the scenes, particularly the colors and what they’re saying. I find I pay more attention to backgrounds and costumes now when I watch shows and movies than I did before your Mad Style posts.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I briefly considered getting cable *just* to watch Mad Men. Luckily it’s on Amazon, and I’ll be able to watch the whole season (the next day!) for about what a month of cable would cost. I have heard the previous seasons are on Netflix streaming.

        • mommyca

          all the previous seasons are indeed on Netflix…. and AMC streams the whole new episodes after they air…..

          • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

            Really? So I paid for it when I didn’t have to? Grr. :) I guess I didn’t wait long enough. Must have taken their time putting them up on Monday.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

        yeah, why DON’T you? Aren’t you the one whose family was in NY advertising??

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      Excuse me, but my Grandfather only wears short sleeve dress shirts, but only if they have double breast pockets. He needs them to carry around the awe inspiring arsenal of stuff he needs. And I will say he look pretty dapper.

      • reebism

        My dad (who entered the workforce in 1967) wore that exact style of short-sleeve dress shirts every day (in white or, occasionally, light blue — with varying amounts of cleanliness) every single weekday until retirement circa 2010. Actually, Harry in that picture looks uncannily like my dad — which is frightening, as Harry has always reminded me of an ex.

        • http://profiles.google.com/ameliaheartsu Amelia Logan

          In an extra on one of the dvds they talk about how much Rich Sommer looks like his father did when he’s in costume. I always loved that bit.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

             Rich Sommer is very cute when he’s not in his Mad Men office garb. I was shocked the first time I saw a photo of him in real life. The same with the guy who played Paul Kinsley. Very handsome.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

        I work with guys who wear short sleeved dress shirts. But they are engineers.

      • formerlyAnon

        I’d say the heyday of the short sleeved dress shirt ended with almost-universal air conditioning – but I still see them on the less stylish guys who work in an office where a tie wouldn’t look weird (even if almost no one wears them) here where the weather is over 95 Farenheit for about 5 solid months of the year.

      • http://twitter.com/mme_hardy MadameHardy

        In the South it’s pretty common (both senses) on people who have to travel outside the building a lot.  You come into the office and you hang up your coat jacket before your short-sleeved shirt gets soaked in sweat.  You put it back on if you’re expecting somebody to come in / you have meetings.

    • cmb92191

      I was looking at the recaps and the copy of the SCDP ad is very witty.  If Don did write it,  he does have a bit of creative spark left.  Love Megan coral coat.  Love her colorblocking dress with the blue scarf (or is that liner?)

      Peggy’s plaid skirt reminded me of Pete’s party blazer.  Now I must be crazy, but I love Peggy’s shoes in that outfit.  Nice and practical- black and white-goes with everything.      Poor Joan she looks a bit old fashioned compared to the others.

      My mom was a Caroline (from the mid 60’s to 2002).  She wore those kinds of dresses/suits her whole working life.  Sensible clothes, not too flashy- and always a slip and hosiery.   I see Caroline and its my mom!  My mom was a Caroline, but I think she really wanted to be a Peggy or a Joan instead.  In fact one of Peggy’s outfits in Season 4- I swore my mom had.  (It was a black short sleeved sweater with a long tan skirt with black stripes)

      • deathandthestrawberry

        I don’t think Caroline’s outfit would look all that out of place today. Until 5 years ago, I worked for a large NY publisher and my boss, a VP and a woman in her late 40s, wore outfits like that daily. Particularly, those short sleeves and that collar style in the summer. Granted, I would never have called her stylish, but it is sensible, never-go-out-of-style business wear.

    • http://twitter.com/typicalgirlink Dorothy Damage

      Yep, the hair in the last scene looks pretty authentic. That’s what my mom and aunts looked like in their high school photos. My mom even used to do the shorter styles with my hair as a kid and I’m only 27! What can I say, my family has always been a bit behind the times…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/76MOACGITT5AHEG24N6E7RZWDA Kay

      I grew up in the 60’s and had many dresses just like the pale yellow dress the receptionist wears and so did my mom.  We referred to them as sailor dresses, they were quick to sew and change up with collar variations. I usually had a few in the closet, one dressy, another in a groovy color or print and a few in sturdy cotton for school/daily use. I still have my favorite one of all ~ a dressy version in silvery grey raw silk with a white collar and little neon Mod elephants embroidered around the collar/scarf done with embroidery cams in Grandma’s Singer.  My grandmother and mom sewed much of the clothes for my sister and I (we are one year apart).  It was made from extra fabric from my mom’s dress, which explains silk on an 8 year old!  Wore it with white patent leather mary janes, but did get to wear it with a kicky pair of white go-go boots a few times before I grew out of it.  Sigh, wish I had the go-go boots, I loved those things. 
      I remember my mom wearing many of the clothes this episode, particularly Megan’s, I must have been just old enough for it to register in my brain.  We lived in LA then and my grandpa was a film editor so I suspect I was allowed to be a bit more fashion forward than your typical kid at that time.  Sister and I were little enough that it didn’t take much fabric to make a dress.
      As always, thank you for the style post TLo ~ it’s a lot of brainwork to write and this Bitter Kitten appreciates your hard work.

      • Browsery

        Sailor dresses, an even more classic version with a big square collar at the back, were popular again in the mid- to late ’80s.  I had several by Laura Ashley.  One of the few styles of the ’80s I liked.

      • baxterbaby

        Ditto on the sailor collar dresses.  And raw silk!  I have a photo from 1967 of my mother and aunts, all dressed for a daytime wedding and every one of them was wearing a raw silk dress.  Varying colors, jewel tones and pastels, all a little above the knee.  There was a decorative rhinestone button thing going on.  Pale hose.  Silk low heeled shoes, mostly dyed to match.

        Sigh.  A few years before it was beaded tops and either crepe pencil skirts or chiffon full skirts.  Double sigh.

        • Ksagun13

          My mother was married in 1962, and she wore a raw silk wedding dress.  It will always embody the sixties to me.

          • formerlyAnon

            I have always thought that if I made a later-in-life marriage I’d wear a raw silk suit. Somehow it imprinted on me as the very essence of ladylike elegance. I am sure there is a movie at the root of it, somewhere.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/76MOACGITT5AHEG24N6E7RZWDA Kay

       Judy – I just posted about the same thing!  I go insane in fabric stores – and I am not talking about JoAnn’s either!!

    • mellbell

      The plumber’s name is Apolo (a cute nod to his Greek heritage), not Paolo.

    • luciaphile

      1. So glad Mad Style is back. I’ve been in withdrawal. This is how I found you guys in the first place.
      2. Regarding Rebecca, I think her at very conservative at home attire is partly a class thing and partly a British thing. I get the sense that Lane married up. Also the actress is in her late 40s.

    • SewingSiren

      The plumber’s hair is too long , his face is too unshaven , and his shirt is unbuttoned too far. 
      I like Megan’s outfit’s in this segment better, I thought the party dress was too short for 1966. 
      The panties seem to be a little low cut, I thought hip hugger panties didn’t come out until hip hugger pants (late 60’s /early 70’s).

      • formerlyAnon

        I had the same thought about the underpants, but I’m no expert. And for some reason, I don’t remember as much about underwear as I do about outerwear during the ’60s.

      • Glammie

        Those don’t look like hip-huggers to me.  They seem a little high for that.  It seems in line with the bikinis of that period.

        And, yes, the mini is very mini.  On the other hand, this is Edie Sedgewick’s heyday (She was in Vogue in both 1965 and 1966.) and she was wearing even shorter skirts.  So it would be considered very daring, but then that’s reaction everyone has to it.  All of Megan’s other dresses are longer.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

           Plus, this is Manhattan. It’s not implausible for a  Manhattanite as young and stylish as Megan to be wearing whatever is the height of fashion.

    • SewingSiren

      I hate to say it but Joan is looking a little “Divine as Edna Turnblad”.

    • theotherTLO

      Hi TLo – Question for you.  I’d swear the orange plaid chair in Harry’s office used to be in the Betty/Don Draper’s living room pre-redecoration (pre-divorce).  Thoughts?

      Thanks for 2 Mad Style posts!  Made my lunchtime reading this week.

    • http://carolineatthemovies.wordpress.com/ caroline lorenz

      Love your recaps, T-Lo, but I disagree about the foreshadowing with Don and Joan.  Don’s first comment served to heighten the awkwardness of the scene.  Joan’s mother’s comment was just showing her character to be a manipulative nay-sayer .  And as for the “I can’t imagine how handsome that man must be when he blushes” scene, I think that scene was more about Lane.  After a day of being brushed off by Delores and harangued by his wife, here he is consoling a beautiful, buxom woman, and all she can say is how handsome Draper is.  Poor sexually frustrated Lane!  He’s being set up for a fling with the new secretary!

      • mommyca

        Hope it works this time: (excerpt from Maureen Ryan’s interview with Jon Hamm, specifically about Don-Joan dynamic): 
        MR: I read somewhere that you said you and Christina have a lot
        of scenes this season, and people were like, “Ohhh, what does that
        mean?”
        JH: What I said was — of course, it was completely blown up — and I stand
        by this statement because I think it’s accurate, is that the Don-Joan
        dynamic is explored. [When I said that at an event,] a gasp went through
        the crowd, and I was like “What? They work together. They know each
        other. They’ve known each other for many, many years.”

        MR: You know people want them to get together.
        JH: I think that’s crazy.

        MR: I understand that response, but there is that amazing scene
        in “Guy Walks Into An Advertising Agency” where they have this
        conversation, and there’s this vibe between them. A warmth. As a viewer,
        you’re thinking, “These two people, they’re scrappers. They’re
        self-reliant, and they get each other.”
        JH: The interesting thing is that you say they get each other. I look at it
        this way: They know each other. They’ve worked together for a long time
        and all I can say is that we explore it. We explore that dynamic.

        MR: Only professionally. Right?
        JH: It’s interesting. It’s an interesting dynamic and I’m glad that Matt
        wanted to explore it.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

          interesting. That’s what I was thinking about it – they KNOW each other, in a different way than he and Peggy do. I think they know each other as sexual beings but not in reference to each other. I think he and Peggy know each other in reference to their ambition, very different. Hmmmm, intriguing…

          • mommyca

            I was thinking maybe Don found out during her pregnancy (which we didn’t see at all), that the baby is Roger’s and somehow they have bonded even more about that, and that might come up later if any issue with Roger appears…. Intriguing indeed…..

            • Logo Girl

              I was thinking that, and that everyone else thinks the baby is Don’s, even though it isn’t. 

            • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

              I remember someone saying that the baby looks like Joan, which leaves an opening for people to wonder who the father is.

      • Browsery


        Joan’s mother’s comment was just showing her character to be a manipulative nay-sayer .”
        Who misreads signs, e.g., the “Equal Opportunity” ad.

    • mellbell

      Tried to post this earlier and it didn’t go through (that’s what I get for including a link to IMDb), but the plumber’s name is Apolo (a nod to his Greek heritage), not Paolo.

      • mommyca

        oh… the same thing happened to me when trying to post a link to the Huff Post, with Maureen Ryan’s interview of Jon Hamm… why is that??? 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

          I think posts with links need to be approved by a moderator. Maybe a spam filter thing?

          • mommyca

             oh… ok, i’ll keep that in mind next time, thanks!!!

            • mellbell

              Laura is exactly right, and my earlier comment (11:49 AM) shows up now, so someone is actually keeping tabs on the flagged comments and approving the okay ones (not every site goes to the trouble, but good on TLo for doing it).

    • granddelusion

      I don’t think anyone in the sixties wore underwear like that.

      Just curious; without giving away your ages, do you guys actually remember the fifties/sixties? Firsthand?

      • BayTampaBay

        TLo stated yersterday that Tom was born in 1966.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

        well from what I’ve read, Janie Bryant says that they picked styles from archives of actual 60s styles from the period, so SOMEBODY did…

        • Maggie_Mae

          Well,  didn’t have any underwear like that in 1966–nor did my mother. 

          But I’m pretty sure that some ladies did!

      • Ogden1990

        Considering the level of detail and scrutiny given to this series, doubtful they’d put Megan in the wrong bra and panties.

        However, I don’t think any housewives had abs like those in the sixties.  

      • Glammie

        Can’t vouch for the bottom half, but for some reason, I have a black lace brassiere of my mother’s from that period and it’s similar.  
        But mostly I think Bryant and Co. are going for a Continental look for Megan.  I said it yesterday, but look up photos of Anouk Aimee in a Man and a Woman, which came out in 1966 and you’ll see Megan’s look is pretty much picked up from that–though she needs a trench coat.  

    • http://twitter.com/mirrormirrorxx Paola Thomas

      All the Britishness going on between Lane and his wife made it even more jarring when she said ‘Fall’. Don’t American viewers understand the word ‘autumn’?  And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he would NEVER have such a ridiculous name as ‘Lane’.  An upper middle class British male of his generation would be called something unthreatening and respectable such as Richard, Edward, John, Robert or George, and there has never been a British tradition of turning surnames into first names.  Also the suit of armour in his office makes me groan.

      I suspect that Harry’s office in is decorated in a way that could impress the old fashioned TV moguls of his day.  He can drop some pretty impressive names after all, but still no one at SCDP realises it.  I think he might end up saving the company almost unintentionally and won’t Pete be happy about that?

      Finally, I so identified with Joanie. Yes, it’s a cocktail dress and yes, it doesn’t work, but I bet she knows it and is only wearing it because it’s the only vaguely appropriate outfit in her wardrobe that remotely fits, and even then it doesn’t really.  In that first year post partum I wore all sorts of crazily inappropriate outfits to functions because NOTHING fits any more and you have no time to go shopping.  Jane Bryant’s costuming of the new mothers was genius in this episode.

      • Maggie_Mae

        Lane is not upper class.  As we discovered during the ill-fated visit by the British hot-shot who was going to take over–until he encountered the riding lawnmower.  His bosses planned to send Lane to the Bombay office next. 

        Lane’s father may have money but appeared a bit rough–as he beat up his son for not begging his wife to return.  Apparently Lane got a good education, but probably partly on scholarship. He did not attend a major Public school….

        • BayTampaBay

          “He did not attend a major Public school….”

          What makes you think this?  I am curious as I know little about the “class society” in the UK.

          • Cabernet7

            There was a line in the lawnmower episode I think when he was talking about what he likes about America, and he says something like “No one ever asks me what school I went to”.  I had the impression whatever school he went to, it wasn’t an impressive one.

            • http://twitter.com/mirrormirrorxx Paola Thomas

              I think you’re right.  He probably went to a minor public school (ie. a private school but not one of the big ‘name’ institutions such as Eton, Harrow or Winchester), maybe on a scholarship and ended up at a decent university, but not at quite the right institutions.  I think the equivalent of having a private education, but not going to say Andover and Harvard in this country.

        • http://twitter.com/mirrormirrorxx Paola Thomas

          Which is why I very carefully said ‘upper MIDDLE class’.  He’s clearly had a good education somewhere, I’m not sure how you can be so sure that he didn’t attend a major public school, and probably went to a good university if not Oxbridge. His father could have got his childbeating ways from his own public school (ie. private school) which were hotbeds of corporal punishment at the time.  I agree that there may not have been much money about when he was growing up but the British class system doesn’t work on money.  Being sent to the Bombay office signifies nothing, the British had left India only a couple of decades before and the Raj was entirely run by expat upper class Brits. I think Lane has definitely  ‘married up’ though, which is why his father was so desperate for him to stick to the marriage. 

          Jared Harris’s upper middle class British accent is spot on – I was amazed when I heard the Estuary accent he has in real life.  

          • Glammie

            He makes comments about the school thing–it’s clear that he feels he’s passed over because he didn’t go to quite the right schools–as opposed to the lawnmower guy who did and was, therefore, going to get the SCDP position that Lane clearly wanted.  Lane likes America *because* he doesn’t feel restricted by background.  His bosses patronize him in a particular way that make it clear they feel he’s a bit inferior who should do what he’s told.  

            Whether Weiner & Co. got the nuances right is another matter, but it’s pretty to me from the script that Lane’s not quite a toff and is viewed as such.  

            So what is an Estuary accent?  (And how is it that a relatively small island can have so many, many accents?  It really is remarkable.)

            • http://twitter.com/mirrormirrorxx Paola Thomas

              I agree (as I replied to Cabernet7 below).  He’s certainly not top drawer, but he’s still pretty far up the British class totem pole  His problem is that he tends to mix with the true upper classes in his work (and I suspect through his marriage) and they are very good at sticking together and promoting  their own.

              As for accents, an Estuary accent is pretty much the basic accent of the South East of England (ie. spoken along the Thames Estuary) and very influenced by the London accent – nasal, dropped ‘hs’, glottal stops etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estuary_English  I think the variety of British accents is to do with historically immobile (by geography and class) dense populations, in the same way that in the US there are definite differences between say a Boston, a Connecticut, a  New York City and a New Jersey accent.   

            • asympt

               No expert here, but it’s basically the regional accent of London and surrounding areas–not as distinctive as Cockney, not as “proper” as the Received English of classic old BBC announcers.  David Tennant’s Doctor used EE (instead of the actor’s own Scottish accent), and Ricky Gervais is cited as another familiar example.  I don’t think it was given that name until fairly recently, well after Lane’s day.

              Others please correct me.

        • Corsetmaker

          Class aside, it isn’t a name you’d encounter in the UK on any level. Well, maybe nowadays as names are all over the place now. But most definitely not among older generations. It’s an error I notice a lot on TV though. Writers forget that names differ, or they name the character before casting the actor and then forget to tweak to suit.

          • Glammie

            So how do the names work?  I mean in Jane Austen you have men who have family names as surnames (Hello there Fitzwilliam Darcy.), but did this custom die out?  Here, I think the practice tends to be a Southern one, which might be how Weiner made the mistake–the South, more than other areas of the country, had settlers from the aristocracy and gentry and may have held on to some older traditions that died out in Britain.  So a name like “Carter Burden” is kind of a classic Southern aristocrat name.  “Lane Pryce” would fit right in, though it also sounds like a department store.

            • Corsetmaker

              It does occur amongst the Scottish upper classes or so than the English funnily enough, in fact Billy Connolly made a routine out of Farqhuar and Finley etc. But they would be very Scottish names. In fact, as far as I know Fitzwillliam is originally an Irish name meaning son of William. But generally when you go back, names that aren’t ancient landowning or Norman names tend to derive from trades and locations. But those aren’t aristocratic names and still tend to be surnames. Christian names usually follow quite strict naming conventions of 1st son after the Father’s father, 2nd Mother’s father and so on. It can be very helpful when doing a family tree! Of course nowadays that’s all turned on it’s head.

              But all in all, if I heard of someone older called Lane I’d assume they were American, not English.

            • Glammie

              Interesting.  Thank you.  The *other* early settlers of the American South were Scots and Scotch-Irish (Yes, I know “scotch” is a drink, not a ethnicity in the UK.).  And, as I say, that’s where the surname as first name tradition is strongest.  I have a bunch of ancestors from those foggy islands, those naming traditions are useful to know when trying to find people.  

            • Corsetmaker

              Yes true, a lot of Scots and Irish went over early on (some of their own free will, some not) so it possibly has it’s influences in that but just the names used have changed. Also, I’m saying Scottish upper classes – but names like Cameron and Fraser are very common christian names, certainly over the last few generations. Sometimes it’s a way of keeping a family name alive when there are no descendents to use it as a surname.

              If you google naming conventions for genealogy you’ll find a full list of the traditional order. It’s quite remarkable, when I was looking into mine I found family after family sticking rigidly to it so I was able to easily fill in gaps and put people in their right places.

              It’s something that writers miss a lot though. There was a UK soap character (Eastenders) a few years ago called Trevor Morgan. He was brilliantly played by Scottish actor Alex Ferns. But the name always bugged me as Trevor just isn’t a name you’d find used in Scotland. I suppose it’s possible to find someone named after an English relative etc but I think they named the character before casting the actor and didn’t twig to the fact the two didn’t match.

          • Jessica Stone

            I don’t think that’s true. One of the characters in The Importance of Being Earnest–a London-based society play in the late 1800s–is named Lane. It is true he is a manservant, rather than part of the upper class, but the name is clearly not a modern or American intrusion.

            • Corsetmaker

              Yup, it would be a surname. Like Carson in Downton or Jeeves or Hudson etc

      • Suzerstl

        Good point – I’m 7 months post partum and somewhat inappropriately dressed at work now!

        • http://twitter.com/mirrormirrorxx Paola Thomas

          How new mothers coped in the days before online shopping is beyond me….

          • formerlyAnon

            Some of us looked like s**t. I say this with all due respect to the majority of the clothes I wore the first month back to the office: darlings, if only most of you had fit properly, you’d have been just as good as the two decent (new) ensembles I had.

      • Glammie

        No, Harry’s job isn’t going to save the company.  He buys space and air time.  He doesn’t bring in money.  He doesn’t bring in new clients and get them to spend money (accounts–like Pete) and he doesn’t create the products (Don, Peggy–sexist pig art guy).  Harry’s job doesn’t take major brains, but the networks are taking him places and talking to him because they want SCDP to buy commercial time.

        Fortunately for SCDP, the job doesn’t take tons of brains–you need to figure out the right buy for the intended audience, but the account people will tell you who the audience is.  Harry’s lucky, but also readily replaceable. It works that he’s kind of SCDP’s village idiot, but also one with an ego–he’s getting wined and dined a *lot.*

        And Pete should have always had his office in terms of the agency’s financial priorities.  

      • Jessica Stone

        I wonder when the European English speakers stopped saying the word ‘fall’. I know that it is considered an American usage now, but it didn’t start with us. Look at Gerard Manley Hopkins’ poem, ‘Spring and Fall’.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129137319 Paula Pertile

      Gosh, I hope Don and Joan don’t get together. I think they like each other too much to ever ‘go there’. You know?

      Loved Peggy’s white blouse.

      Joan stood out in the office also because she was the only one wearing a real print, as well as the hot color (I think?). 

      I was wondering if pantyhose had come into fashion yet. They must have  – the fishnets, the colored (white) hose at the party, couldn’t have been stockings, could they? I remember my mom’s first pair (1966?), and how she came out and showed them to me, like they were this weird new bizarre but cool thing. You had to buy them over the counter at the nice department store (like stockings), and they came in a nice little flat box with tissue. You asked the nice lady behind the counter for your size the color, and she’d turn around (think Are You Being Served?) and pull out the box, then open it on the counter for you, and maybe run her nicely manicured hand inside a leg to show how sheer they were. How things have changed!

      Thanks for another great recap.

      • cmb92191

        Interesting note about pantyhose.  If you look at the screenshot with all the African American ladies, there is one wearing panytyhose.  She has a white blouse, tan skirt and black glasses. She is also wearing off white or pale stockings.

        I can’t imagine such service for a pair of pantyhose.  I grew up in the 70’s– a la  the L’eggs generation.  I had to find a pair recently and it was so challenging.

        • BayTampaBay

          How can you tell she is wearing pantyhose?

          • cmb92191

            Look at the shot where all the applicants are there.  This one woman on the far right has a white blouse, black glasses,  tan and white skirt and a burgundy/wine colored something (jacket, umbrella, rain hat?)   Look  at her legs.  They are lighter in tone and color as compared to her arms.  There is also a contrast between her legs as compared to the lighter tan couch and the white endtable.  It is a definete difference in shade, but not by much.  I actually find this applicant more interesting than “resume lady”.   I noticed her blouse and glasses right away, which then led me to say “hey she’s wearing stockings”.
             The glasses and hairstyle remind me of my mom and my Aunts.   

            • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

              None of that indicates pantyhose. Before pantyhose arrived in the ’60s, women wore two stockings, one for each leg. The were held up by garters hanging either from a garter belt or a girdle. 

            • cmb92191

              See that was before my time.. I was the L’eggs generation.  I was stating that she had on hosiery (stockings/garter-no garter/pantyhose whatever it was called at that time.)

            • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

              Just shows how you have to be very specific around these parts or you’ll get jumped on by the accuracy police. It’s happened to me a couple of times.

            • BayTampaBay

              Was not jumping on anyone! LOL! LOL!

              I just thought there was something in the screen cap that I missed but others were seeing.

              The accuracy police have jumped on me too.  LOL! LOL!

            • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

              Sorry, BayTampaBay, I was including myself in the accuracy police and wasn’t just pointing a finger at you. I try to stay out of trouble here.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

               “The accuracy police”

              Ha! I think most of us have been on both sides of that.

              I will never forget the literally weeks long argument over pantyhose that occurred in TWoP’s Mad Men forums. It was after the second season premiere, when they did the montage of Peggy, Joan, and (I think) Betty getting ready in the morning. Peggy put on a pair of pantyhose. Well! You would have thought they had shown her killing a baby bird, there was such an uproar. It’s was completely nuts.

              I  just don’t worry too much about the occasional anachronism on this show. They work hard to get everything right. It’s more important to me that they tell a great story.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

          It doesn’t look to me like she’s wearing stockings; to me it just looks like her leg is more in the light than the rest of her.

          Maybe pantyhose are a regional thing; they’re still easy to find in upstate NY (maybe because of the cold weather). They sell L’eggs at the drugstore, and you can find nicer brands of hose at any department store. I’m happy for any hint that they might be making a comeback, because fashion or no, I’m not going bare-legged when it’s below freezing. No one needs to see my goosebumps!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129137319 Paula Pertile

            What I meant here, in case I wasn’t clear, was that I was wondering about pantyhose vs. stockings with a garter belt. The ladies applying for the job could have been in either – hose, yes, but which kind is all I’m saying. The black fishnets must have been ph because the dress was so short. The white ‘tights’ were maybe just that – not actually pantyhose.
            Why am I obsessing over this? I don’t know.

          • cmb92191

            See on my monitor it is a whole shade lighter.  I’m not that knowledgeable, but I would think that lighter tone may be what I’ve heard describe as “ashy”.  Please accept my apologies if I am  not exactly right– that is what my former students would say.  I see that as stocking to tie in with the blouse.  If you look at the lady next to her with a white purse, he legs don’t look as light but slightly less .  The glasses lady looks younger than most of the other ladies- so if she was young and hip- = stockings. 

            I’m not far from you and pantyhose are very hard to find.   Sure I can find crazy colored tights, but not actual pantyhose.  I wound up going to like 4 stores to find something that was appropriate for a job interview. Knee highs are completely gone- I had to explain them to my teenage daughter.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

              Try Victoria’s Secret if you need more… they have a lot of varieties of basic nude hose. They don’t have knee-highs, but they do have thigh-highs.

            • BayTampaBay

              Hanes makes knee highs and they sell them at Macy’s.

            • mixedupfiles

               What are all the old ladies going to do without their knee-highs?

            • asympt

               I would be shocked if any of those ladies wasn’t wearing hosiery of some sort, whether stockings or pantyhose.  My mother, in the sixties and forever after, simply would never have gone anywhere with her bare legs showing.  You just DIDN’T.  And when I got old enough, I was stuck with them pantyhose (stockings were out by then).  Since they ran so much (especially the cheap, lower-thread-count, if that’s what you’d call it, kind), to get more use out of them, you’d cut the bad leg off and wear the good leg with the good leg of another butchered pair.  Two uncomfortable pantyhose panties, plus underpants, at the same time!

              Since I stopped wearing skirts most of the time as soon as I could, I missed the exact point it went from hose-mandatory to no hose in dress skirts.  (When exactly was that?)

            • formerlyAnon

              It was absolutely THE marker of being either really poor or really country (which often went with cash poor) to wear shoes without hosiery, once you got “too big” to wear little girl ankles socks with your dresses. In middle school it was the same girls who only had two or three school outfits and/or used their lunch money to buy cokes, boiled peanuts, moon pies and pickles on the way to school. And usually the ones who only got a coke when they bought a pickle because the pickles were the cheapest thing.

              Wearing no hosiery was harder on the black girls than the white girls because if it was dusty their ankles would look ashy and they *hated* that.

              Not that I hit puberty in the south, or anything.

            • asympt

               I had to wear white ankle socks until I got into junior high in the early 70s, not because we were poor, but because my mother thought it was proper.  It was, instead, embarrassing–the other girls were mostly wearing kneesocks, which I wasn’t allowed to until at least 7th grade (around 1972).

              Suburban Chicago.

            • formerlyAnon

              I had forgotten, I think there was an entire year – 6th or 7th grade – when I had knee socks color coordinated to my school dresses. I was too big for ankle socks and my mother thought I was too young to wear panty hose except with my ‘dressier’ clothes. Knee socks were a compromise, in my house.

      • Glammie

        Yep.  Pantyhose were around–they’re part of what made the whole miniskirt thing possible.  They were commercially introduced in 1959, but took a bit to catch on and, of course, get right.  Actually, I don’t think they ever got them right, but I’ve always hated pantyhose.

        • Maggie_Mae

          Peggy wore pantyhose rather early in the show.   Which caught a lot of flak because nobody thought they were available.  Research indicated that they were, in fact.  Just not common yet.

          I remember wearing panty girdles with garters to hold up the stockings.  In high school.  Pantyhose definitely made the miniskirt slightly more decent.  

          Some sort of hose was required for business wear until fairly recent years.  Not so much now–especially in Houston…

          • Glammie

            Actually, we know from the show that pantyhose are out and about because Peggy won the Topaz *Panythose* account last season.

      • baxterbaby

        In my sophomore year of high school (1967) I recall there being both pantyhose and stockings (I remember a very sweet young teacher whispering to me that when a bent over she could see my garters (from a “soft” pantygirdle which was holding up white fishnets.  Under a demi mini.  I ask you.)

        But we also wore tights and pantyhose and there was the controversy of do you wear panties with pantyhose?  In the early days they might not have had the now ubiquitous cotton crotch!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/J2VE4NE2FY2BP4QD2XOYKJGLPI Laura

      I can’t imagine they’d do a Don/Joan romance. It just seems like the two of them are utterly not attracted to each other, like brother and sister, or people that just know each other way too well or I don’t know what.  

    • Erika Price

      Nice guess on Harry Crane’s office furniture, but we already know where it came from: they’re antiques his wife kicked out of the house when they got hitched. After she moved in he didn’t have anywhere to store them, so he moved them into his office. 

      • mommyca

        I’m wondering that big desk will not fit in Pete’s old office :-) 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

        They were his grandmother’s, right? Remember the afghan they used to cover Miss Blankenship…

        I’m a little confused by what is going on with Harry and Jennifer this season.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

           I think what’s going on between Harry and Jennifer is Jennifer finally realize she’s married to a jackass and doesn’t want to be seen with him in public.

    • enonymous

      I can tell you from the hairstyles of the black women are that they are fairly conservative and represent more of the old guard. Think about the younger hairstyles that the Supremes or Ronettes sported at the time. They are much more colorful in comparison.

      • Browsery

        The Supremes were slightly later, right?  And they were a girl band, not a bunch young Negro women trying to breach the walls of white patriarchy with a resume and a steno pad.

        • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

          The Supremes were on national TV as early as 1963.

        • Maggie_Mae

          They may have had more stylish looks for nights out, but these ladies (& gentlemen) were trying to be businesslike.  

          If you’re in show business, it’s different!

        • http://twitter.com/TigerLaverada TigerLaverada

          The Supremes weren’t later, they were hugely popular at this point. If memory serves, the first big Supremes hit I heard was in 1964 (Where Did Our Love Go).

    • Pants_are_a_must

      I thought Joan’s pink dress was oddly unflattering. It made her look like she hasn’t quite lost all her pregnancy weight, and yet stll undeniably attractive and eye-catching.

      Megan’s greatest contribution to SCDP would be to take Peggy under her fashionable wing and show her some real shopping, I’d wager. Not that it’ll happen; fashion is Megan’s only advantage on Peggy, and they both know it. Maybe it’ll be a parting gift.

      Love the recap!

    • mommyca

      I know that Jane Bryant said that Peggy’s plaid skirt and white blouse signifies her need to be a little bit more masculine in the office, but that shot of Peggy standing alone there in the office hallway holding the baby just makes her look like a little school girl totally out of place, without knowing what to do with that baby….. just wonderful use of images….. 

    • Browsery

      I can’t see Don and Joan getting together.  Don only likes women he can control. If he and Joan had a liaison, then we would be deep into the land of the Soap Opera.

      The hairstyles of the black women look OK to me (straightened with a hot comb, not relaxed).  My only criticism would be that American black people are not all dark brown.  My mother, for example, is very fair and had long, silky black hair.  She was born in the same year as Joan, incidentally.

      Has Harry lost weight? He looks good to me.

    • mixedupfiles

      I’m a Mets fan, and so was struck by how prominent the pennant was in the scenes in Lane’s office. There are several occasions where it’s quite conspicuous.

      But baseball, for Lane? Is it the closest thing he can find to cricket (not close at all, really)? Is he just trying to fit in in the U.S.? But then why not embrace a successful team? Maybe he really has become a fan – both he and the team are new on the scene, underdogs.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M476USE6GD6VEE4RO6JA22VRLI Kriesa

        I think it’s more than trying to just fit in in; Lane fell in love with the U.S., and probably loves baseball because it is uniquely American to him.

        • formerlyAnon

          Precisely.

      • chitowndg

        When I see that pennat in Lane’s office, all I can think of is how sad I am going to be when they get to 1969.  :(

        • mixedupfiles

           Oh, but think how nice it will be for him! Right now he’s pledged to a team of clumsy losers. Maybe it’s a little hint — he’ll find his place in the sun, it’s just a matter of time.

    • ElleEsq

      I was dying to read the second installment of Mad Style to see if anyone noticed what I did: The silhouette that Peggy was sporting when Joan came into the office (like a big rectangle) was SO reminiscent of what she wore when she was unknowingly pregnant in S1.  The other clothes that we’ve seen here in thus far this season have seemed more body conscious — that black dress with the white stripe down the front was fitted, the yellow dress at the party…  I just couldn’t help but notice that the styling in that scene reinforced how uncomfortable Peggy is with babies.

    • Kimmu

      TLo stated “We think some Mad Men fans are going to have a hard time of
      it going forward because while the mid-Century styles that defined the
      first couple seasons of the show are today considered classic, a lot of
      what was worn in the late ’60s and ’70s was just flat-out ugly to modern
      eyes.”

      Oh god no. I am so looking forward to the clothes coming. I’m built like Christina Hendricks and it drives me insane when people tell me I should dress like Joan more because it’s so flattering, and I am like “but I hate that look!” Give me the bright colours never intended to touch each other, the crazy prints and strange silhouettes! Those are the clothes I want to see and wear. Seriously. I stole my stepdad’s yellow corduroy bell bottom leisure suit in high school and wore it until my butt could no longer fit in it.

    • CMCH

      “…
       no woman on the show ever wore a bra and panties that looked like that.”

      Actually, one did, once: Betty, on her Roman holiday with Don last season, wore a black lace bra and briefs almost exactly like that (though the panties covered just a bit more). And to the point of Megan’s European-ness, it was clear in that episode that the underwear was of a piece with Betty’s freer feeling that one day in Rome – speaking Italian, wearing that black dress unlike anything she ever wore at home, forgoing the girdle, etc. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=49702581 Susan Bullard Mayer

      Not until that episode did I understand the phrase “heaving bosom.”

    • Spicytomato1

      “When she and Peggy were having their tiff, we were struck by how difficult it must be for Peggy to act like a supervisor to someone who’s dressed so much better than she is.”
      Really interesting point. I haven’t had to work in an office (an ad agency, coincidentally, to be precise) for more than 15 years but I can’t think of any instances where someone dressed dramatically better than their supervisor. I can imagine it would add another layer of tension/angst to an environment that was pretty much filled with dramatic moments — big and small — on any given day. 

    • Melissa Brogan

      Janie Bryant, the costumer, does pretty extensive research. Check out http://www.amctv.com/mad-men/videos/janie-bryant-on-costumes-in-the-season-5-premiere-inside-mad-men

    • http://twitter.com/ParrotTalkBack Ana R.

      I love the show and have seen every season, and I loved the premiere Sunday night, but it’s always so eye-opening seeing the subtle clues and different perspectives TLo find from looking at the styles. Thanks!

    • EEKstl

      Brilliant as always, TLo.  Megan’s wardrobe = Perfection.  Always being a sucker for a sheath dress/coat set, that salmon sheath with the chevron coat may well be my favorite look ever.  

    • MilaXX

      The hair seems pretty spot on to me. I remember my mother wearing a similar style

      • dress_up_doll

        I agree. Back then for women of color it was all about the press ‘n curl look with lot’s of Aqua Net. There were also a lot of choices for women who preferred to wear wigs. My mother owned virtually every popular hair style imaginable; flips, short curls, pageboys, etc. She was very hip and attuned to fashion and beauty.

        • MilaXX

          which lead to all kinds of crazy battles when I wanted to wear an afro to school and moms was still sitting me in the kitchen on Saturday night pressing my hair into submission.

          • Glammie

            Okay, not a woman of color here, but I remember a real point of fashion tension over done and natural hair–but I kind of think it was a little later–after Martin Luther King’s assassination.  My school was integrated around 1968-69 and most of the little A.A girls had neat little pony tails, but positioned in ways that weren’t like those of little white girls  (I had limp hair that could barely keep a braid going.), but a couple of the girls had some serious afros going.  

            On the other hand, I don’t think I ever saw *any* of their moms with an afro.  If I were going to pick a typical style for the moms, it would be the one worn by Diahann Carroll in Julia.  

            • dress_up_doll

              Diahann Carroll in Julia! Now that brings back memories. Loved that show with little Corey and Earl J. Wagadorn.

            • Glammie

              Funny, you never hear much about it, but a show with a African-American single mom lead–wasn’t she a widow?  I remember that she was a nurse as my sister had a Julia Barbie.

    • amyfromnj

      I love the MM style posts! It’s like a big piece of chocolate cake and ice cold milk.

    • kentiesgirl

      So Joan
      and Don plopping down on their beds…the colors on the beds were the
      same, and I was thinking that it was a nod to older people dealing
      with babies…(Megan being Don’s thing he has to deal with). It was both
      scenes where they were exhausted/at the end of their rope and just wanted their respective
      “kids” to let them rest, I
      suppose is the best way I could put it. Sorry to anyone who might have already pointed this out, maybe I’m wrong (having a rough week, or I would be all over the comments-did remember to watch Mad Men though, been waiting too long to forget that, lol)

      Did someone else see that or am I mis-remembering? I was waiting for your style posts to see if I was right.

      Kudos to the linking of Joan and Megan too, I missed that. I never thought that would go down, though-I saw them (Don and Joan) as equal in the eyes of others in the office, in terms of sex appeal and authority (to their respective sexes and in past seasons), so linked in that way, not together in that way. Ugh. I can’t articulate right now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gina.rook Gina Knox Rook

      More Paolo please.

      • margaret meyers

        I was soooo hoping he would turn out to be played by Tony Ward.  :-(

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-TallGirl-Freeman/1043623567 Jessica TallGirl Freeman

      Oh how I adore the TLo posts about MM.  They help me see things I would never see before.

      I have a feeling that they are going to explore Don and Joan’s relationship, but I doubt it will be a love affair (at least I hope not!)  With her having Roger’s baby, undoubtly someone will have to find out.  

      Megan’s fabulous style makes me dislike her even more simply because I want her entire wardrobe and I’m sure I couldn’t squeeze my left leg in it, much less look that damn good in it.  Hag.

      • holdmewhileimnaked

        oh, i sell a lot of stuff like she wears. & i sell it in sizes multifarious–having spent my entirely too long life built just like a shorter version of CH, up there, i know that not only is everybody not teensy tinsy but lots of us change size throughout our lives, up & down, down & up, by a little, by a lot.

        after all the hell of this year i am in the middle of revamping my shop but i can give everyone a headsup when it’s done. my stuff is really good, really interesting vintage–&, of course, lots of it has give, magnificent give. megan, above, is wearing stuff that crosses all sorts of lines, from, i dunno, paganne through i magnin–i’ve got tons of all of it. i just hung up a bright orange, white polka dotted palazzo suit that nobody would believe was from, i think, neimans? either neimans or magnin–& not joseph. looks like more like joseph magnin but it’s fancier. tons of it, i’ve got, tons. & so it goes…..

    • Logo Girl

      I don’t let my kid watch this as a rule, but he did catch the scene in the top screencaps, and, being he is fascinated with obsolete technology asked me how the phone even worked. I paused the screen and gestured how the dial worked. It was a real “I’m f-ing ancient” moment. It also felt really weird to mimic a gesture I haven’t made in maybe 30 years.

      • cmb92191

        Too funny.  My grandmother had a rotary phone until the late 90’s-early 2000’s.  My kids had no idea that it was a phone.
        Then she got older and got one of those HUGE push button phones.- with each number about 5 inches big.

        • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

           My 92-year old Mom kept her beige rotary wall phone with its long coiled cord right up to about 3 years ago,and I tell you, the replacement phone’s audio is much worse. 
          Also, remember how George Carlin would ask in one if his routines “Whenever you dial a 0, do you keep your finger in the dial for the free ride back?”   Ah, memories.

      • Pennymac

        My kids asked me how you “dialed” a number a while back. They totally hooted and hollered when I tried to explain my grandmothers “party line” to them. God, I’m old! 

      • Sweetbetty

         About ten years ago my 30-something daughter was with me when I was looking at a house to buy.  She was in another room and exclaimed, “Look at this old-fashioned phone on the wall!”.  I was expecting to see one of those old monstrosities that you put the earpiece to you ear and talked into the phone on the wall but it was just a rotary dial phone like I had grown up with.  I wouldn’t have given it a second thought so it made me even more aware of the generation gap.

      • joything

        There is now a smartphone app that puts an image of a rotary dial on your phone, and you actually touch it to “dial” a call out.

        And you can get a small retro handset to plug into the smartphone with a spiraling cord.  No lie.  My friend has this.

        • holdmewhileimnaked

          my friend & i were at some shop, i dont remember which, a couple weeks ago &, unbelievably, they had full size handsets to go into mobilephones. why the h-e-double-toothpicks would a person wanna carry one of those things around?

      • formerlyAnon

        God bless those solid, heavy Western Electric-made phones. My mom had the same one hanging on her kitchen wall from 1969 when we moved into the house until about 2005 or 2006 when she had to admit she needed big numbers and an answering machine since she couldn’t always make it to the phone so fast any more. If I recall, the push button phones came out in about 1964? That’s the year we had the first one in our house, in my parents’ bedroom. 

        • Logo Girl

          The other thing that is weird to explain to the kiddos is that people did not generally own their phones – they were rentals, kind of like cable boxes are today. And there were only about five colors. remember black, sky blue and powder pink, with avocado green and marigold coming in in the 70s, in only three styles: standard, princess and wall. 

          • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

             I always wanted a turqouisy-blue princess phone with a real dial.  Just for the bedroom.  You can get replicas now with buttons, but it’s not the same.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1582777135 Melanie K. Morgan

      Re:  men’s short-sleeve dress shirts – I don’t think they were ever in style;  they were always dorky.  But my dad wore them every day.  He was a doctor, and the short sleeves were more convenient for washing his hands. He also used to tuck his tie into the front of his shirt to avoid getting bodily fluids on it.

      • Maggie_Mae

        When NASA first moved to Houston, they had several offices around town–until the Space Center was built.  The “uniform” for men was a short sleeve dress shirt, a dorky (possibly clip-on) tie & dark slacks.  With short hair–burr cuts or flat tops for the military out of uniform…..

        • Carrie Bradshaw

          No wonder that became the go-to uniform for geeks for the next few decades.

      • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

         My Dad wore them every day too, he got too warm in long sleeves.  Harry (his looks, not his attitude) remind me of my late Dad, especially when Harry was heavier.  (I was shocked at his new sveltness) My Dad lost weight too, but unfortunately it was too little, too late.

    • Gail Clark

      Omigod!! I’ve been waiting 17 long months for Mad Men to return so that your Mad Style recaps could return.  I cannot tell you how much these posts have added to my understanding and enjoyment of the best show on TV.  I have been clicking back several times a day since Sunday waiting for the screen caps and your analysis of the MEANING of all the CLOTHES, THE HAIR, THE SHOES, THE DECOR . . . sigh.  Could you just hurry up with the next one?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=558631967 Ivona Foster

      Thanks for the catch of Joan/ Megan in the pinks! I truly hope they don’t go down the Joan/Don affair line. The two of them have the same understanding and respect that Lane and Joan seem to have, I would hate to see that ruined with an affair.

      I don’t see Megan as being the jealous type (re comment from Joan’s mom), she knows she OWNS Don in that respect. 

    • Vodeeodoe

      I think Don was just being playful with Joan because of their friendship. He comes out as everyone is admiring Joan’s son and says something like – I told Lane we’re not hiring anyone, no matter how buxom his mother is. It was a little joke. If Don wanted to be with her, he would have tried years ago. Not to mention, the whole Rodger thing would make it extremely awkward – ‘specially cuz that baby is his – oooh!

    • Vodeeodoe

      Anybody notice how Pete is the non or least racist out of anyone at that office? From the episode with the television ads, to him being pretty much the only one not laughing when Rodger sang in blackface, to hearing him argue with someone as Don and Meaghan enter from the lobby – Pete is a good, albeit whiny, guy. Also, my bet is that if they hire a black woman it’s going to be the lady in that last picture. The camera lingered on her for a bit.

      • Glammie

        No, he’s not racist in the way some of the others are, but he’s pushed sex on a couple of women.  He *is* sexist and not in a good way.  His lack of racism is a weirdly good point in a spotty track record.

    • Vodeeodoe

      Oh, and Pete was a Cockswain.   :D

    • Vodeeodoe

      Sorry to go on and on, but I love this show. I think viewership will pick up this year, because of the younger 60s vibe, the fun clothes and decor, the hippies, the activism, and all the “tea”.

    • pottymouth_princess

      Lawsy, that lamp looked like RuPaul’s hot mess of a dress (political platform episode). They both suck.

    • MsKitty

      Re: black hairstyles I think they got it right. It wouldn’t be unusual for black women in that period to have a few wigs in her collection as well.  Back then relaxers were expensive and the main alternative was the straightening comb, which was a time consuming process.  So you could throw on a wig, give it a quick style and be on your way.  I remember my mom rocking the wigs up until the early ’70s at which point she wore an afro for awhile.

      • boweryboy

        This

    • baxterbaby

      I want to give a shout out to a detail in the screencap of Don in the entrance to his apartment.  There are two glass bottles with pointy tops…they were all over the place.  The tops came off, the glass was usually crackled, they served no function, but god were they popular.

      • boweryboy

        I have one of those.  It’s green and the glass is ridged instead of crackled.  I keep my loose change in it.

      • Linderella

        Thanks for pointing that out, baxterbaby, or I’d have missed it completely!  My mother had a dark blue one that stood in a place of honor on our console stereo.  What memories that screencap just brought back.

    • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=lf UltimaEsperenza

      Yes, sirs.  I began watching this show because of your shot by shot rundowns of the costumes and sets and it made me dive right in to the Netflix seasons…that I have watched 3 times before our new offerings!!  Love you both, TLo. <3

    • MichaelStrangeways

      uh, does ANYONE on here actually WATCH the show?!?!?!?

      And, I didn’t really catch any Joan/Don vibe/foreshadowing but I guess it COULD happen…

      The foreshadowing I picked up:
      1)Sally’s imminent sexual blooming…she was VERY intrigued by what Daddy and Step Mommy are up to in that bedroom.
      2)Megan’s lurking on the balcony while distraught…I don’t think that character is going to be around for a LONG time. Suicide/Accident/Sally Murdering Her? I see Doom in her Future…
      3)Joan’s about 10 years out of step…I see this being a recurring theme and a lot of heartbreak coming up for our Joanie…
      4)Lane is unhappy and frustrated with his marriage and we know he appreciates the Lady Of Color. A new black secretary in the office and a horny Brit seem to be a match made in….something.
      5)Bert seems redundant…and doomed.
      6)Pete is frustrated and depressed by his new Suburban Life…he’s headed for some sort of breakdown/betrayal.
      7)Peggy is…an enigma at this point. She has a nice boyfriend and a nice career but she seems a bit…stuck. 

      • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

         I’ve watched it from Season One and have never looked back! Be be sure to check out the Basket Of Kisses website!
        I have an eerie feeling about Megan too.  Don is so happy with her, and he can’t stay happy or we wouldn’t have Mad Men! I agree with all of your foreshadowing, although I suspect something might happen between Joan and Lane.  I think Roger seems redundant and doomed too,  he throws his money at things, but really isn’t working.

    • LindafromChicago

      I also have to thank TLo for turning me on to Mad Men.  I started reading them because of Project Runway but also read the posts on MM.  They were intriguing so I rented the entire series from NetFlix and haven’t been sorry.  I love the style recaps that are done, such as this.  Mad Men is now within months of when I arrived in NYC on a fellowship to NYU.  I didn’t realize I was so stylish at the time but I was wearing brightly colored dresses and separates with dropped or eased waists.  I also had beige shiny boots like the woman in the background at the party.  They were stretchy and came in off-white (beige) or black.  I had a haircut from Sassoon (one side longer than the other).  I don’t believe we’ve seen that yet.

    • boweryboy

      About the African American hairstlyes: Yes. They’re a spot on representation.  In fact the woman in the first photo standing wearing a white blouse and a tourqouise skirt looks exactly like my grandmother.  It’s eerie.

      I’m not a black woman but I am a black guy who had a very stylish mother and very stylish aunts. My love of fashion is due to them (and my fierce disco diva sisters during the 70s).  They commonly wore wigs of various styles so it wasn’t always their own hair.

      I have photos of them from the 60s looking just like this – just add some blue eyeshadow and pink or coral lips. And when they got dressed to go out they wre even more stylish.

    • Candigirl1968

      On the hair in the last shot, this looks like it could be a group of women from my mother’s graduating class from the mid-sixties at Fisk University. The shininess of the curls pressed with the stove iron is just right.

      Interesting, too, that a number of secretarial candidates are wearing plaids, as well.

    • Michelle Stockman

      Just realized that Peggy’s plaid skirt in the office mimics Pete’s plaid blazer from the party. Interesting that it’s covering her womb in the baby carriage scene between the two …

    • Zaftiguana

      I had a baby three days before this aired, and Joan’s fucshia dress really struck a chord with me. It is clear how difficult the fit is, and the scenes of her home life with a new baby give just an inkling of how hard she must have worked to get herself, dressed and looking like this (possibly having to put the effort in not once but twice if if the baby spit up or had a diaper leak on her or grabbed at her hair, etc.), and a presentable baby out of the house and across town, particularly with the high stakes that she thought were at play. The shear amount of effort she clearly put in was just heartbreaking to me while I watched it in my stained, impossibly stretchy yoga pants and one of my grandpa’s old 2X v-neck undershirts.

      • formerlyAnon

        Congratulations! Hope you got a healthy little one who likes to sleep!

        • Zaftiguana

          Thanks! So far, so good ;).

    • k op

      I only watch Mad Men because of TLo and all this wonderful commentary. 

      One thing I noticed is that Megan, though thin, is not in shape.  I appreciate that detail so much.  Women weren’t working out in the 60’s yet.  Joining gyms. aerobics and running clubs are decades away yet.  

    • Katie Gorman

      His name was Apollo, I think!

    • Sweetvegan

      Thank you, TLo!

    • megalomania79

      I would like to say that after talking to my mother, she said that girls who were black undergarments were sort of seen as racy.  As a teenager, she always wore white and only the “bad girls” wore black bras.

    • MamaMade

      Hair Looks Right, but Wigs should probably alternate with Press & Curls…in fact, more of the latter, I think

    • Jim Allen

      “Those short-sleeved dress shirts never really did come back, did they? It’s an awful look”
      Love your recaps, I’ve been a lurker until now.  I *LOVE* short-sleeved dress shirts, especially the button-down style that Harry is wearing.  I live in Los Angeles and during the summer, wearing long sleeved dress shirts and a tie sucks.  Wearing the short-sleeve is more comfortable, it has a casualness that fits my job (secretary) and they’re easy to find at second hand stores.  

    • Moonbeam51

      The only man who can pull of a short-sleeved dress shirt with a tie is Homer Simpson.

    • tintashoopa

      Mad Men has been my favourite show since episode one but your website has given me a whole new appreciation for the nuances of the sets and costumes and how they add another, major dimension.  I am now going to have to go back over the past 4 seasons and look at all of your postings.  

      Great website, I’m so glad (well time management-wise, not so glad) that I found it.