Kate Winslet in Jenny Packham

Posted on March 27, 2012

Once again, we’re just using this red carpet appearance as an excuse to talk about something else.

Kate Winslet attends the ‘Titanic 3D’ World Premiere in London in a Jenny Packham gown paired with Goode & Son jewelry. Bag and shoes by Christian Louboutin.

Quick assessment: Wow, she looks so soft and pretty when she’s not campaigning for an award. Love the hair, even if it is a little aging. The dress is not doing her bust any favors and she either needed better support or a more flattering neckline. Not loving the way the sleeves sit either. Or the platform shoes. And yet strangely, it all doesn’t look as bad as we’re making it sound.

Okay, enough about her.

So an ad was running for the Titanic release and Lorenzo asked Tom suddenly, “You saw that, right?”

“Well, yeah. Didn’t everyone?”

“I never saw it.”

“Really? How did I not know this?”

“It’s not like I should see it. I mean, it’s a piece of shit, right? It looks like it.”

“Oh, it’s definitely  not your kind of movie. I just think you’re … I don’t know … missing out on the conversation.”

“WHAT conversation? Who the hell’s talking about Titanic so much?”

Annnd scene.

Here’s where the Precious Unborn Fawns come in. Convince Lorenzo that he’s culturally backwards for not having seen this movie and if he can sit through Showgirls, he can certainly have fun watching digital extras bounce off railings while Leonardo DiCaprio mimics freezing to death.  Get to it, PUFs. And don’t worry about spoilers. Everyone knows the ship sinks.

[Photo Credit: Gareth Cattermole/Getty Images]

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  • FashionShowAtLunch

    No. It is the very worst.  I tried it again, recently, to see if I could get over my initial disdain for it, and no such luck. Even Kathy Bates couldn’t save it for me.  Absolute dreck, the whole thing.  

    Don’t bother, Lorenzo.  It would be a waste of 2.5 hours. Hours that you could be using to update this blog that I refresh obsessively.  

    • MoHub

      Agreed. If you want to see the best of all Titanic movies, watch A Night to Remember. So spot on, actual Titanic survivors couldn’t watch it because it brought back such painful memories.

      • dress_up_doll

        Ooooh, A Night to Remember. I remember watching it as a kid on Saturday afternoons. Excellent recommendation, MoHub! How many years later? And I still throw-up in my mouth a little when seeing commercials for Titanic.

      • Call me Bee

        Excellent movie.  I cry every time I hear “Nearer My God To Thee” because of that movie. 

      • ChaquitaPhilly

        A Night to Remember was a great movie. Titanic? Overly romantic and way way too big. 

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          Cameron reduced the tragedy of the Titanic to a banal teen love story. It is 2.5 hours of your life that you can use for something more productive and/or enjoyable. In my book, it’s a must-miss.

          • MoHub

            I think you’ve nailed it. The problem with Titanic is that it wasn’t really about the sinking; it was about young lust that could have been transplanted anywhere. The Titanic itself was a Hitchcockian McGuffin.

      • butterflysunita

        The book the movie is based on (also called A Night to Remember) is great too.

    • Is it really only 2 1/2 hours? Felt like SO MUCH MORE. I count it as 4 hours of my life that I will never get back.

      • Jessi03

         It’s 3 hours and 14 minutes.

        • Greg Yoder

          Yes, but it sounds so much more bearable if you say two hours and seventy-four minutes.

    • introspective

      true story: way back in my college days, in the era of vhs, I bought titanic on sale at the super stop n shop (yay connecticut!) to see what all the hype was about. cause i too never made it to the theater. on the way home tape 1 (cause you know there were 2 tapes for that long ass movie) got crushed in my car by all the other groceries. got home and watched tape 2 and thought what the hell else happened in all 1 1/2 hours that I missed, since everything you know about the titanic (i.e they sunk) happened on tape 2. right then I knew I didnt miss much. and Lo, you didnt either.

      • granddelusion

        I.e., it sank.

    • AuntieAnonny

       I tend to watch the first half of it for the clothes and set design, I’m in love with that part of it– so much so that I bought a hefty picture book about the making of the movie– but once the iceberg says hello I lose all interest.

      •  I thought I was the only one who did this!  I have Titanic on DVD and have watched the first half about a hundred times; it’s in heavy rotation with Gone With the Wind and Moulin Rouge when I need a little fabulous cinematic art design in my life.  But the second half?  I’ve seen it maybe 3-4 times?  It’s a depressing and cliche movie, once the Edwardian gilding washes away.

    • Absolutely.  The only reason I eventually saw it was because one of my friends (who liked it) said I wasn’t allowed to make anymore jokes about it until I saw the whole thing. In retrospect: not worth it.

      The ship interiors and the costumes were lovely but that’s about the only redeeming feature. Well, that and an unexpected Victor Garber appearance. And I say that as someone who was a 16 year old girl at the time it came out and therefore smack in the middle of the main fanbase.

  • I’ve never seen it either, and I’m quite proud of that.   And, I watch plenty of other crap, including Showgirls.  I just have no patience for melodrama

    • I’ve never seen it either. And that song also feels at least three hours and fourteen minutes long.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        Ah,yes,  that song, the lyrics of which should be “And this song will go on and on and on and on…”

        • I used to alter the lyrics and sing to my ex “You’re queer, you have a big rear!”  I thought it was hysterical. Him, not so much.  We broke up a while after.  Can’t imagine why.

    • yetanotherLaura

       Add me to the club who have never seen it.  It just held zero interest for me.  I’ve heard enough about it to make me sure I don’t want to go see it now; and I’m quite able to understand the discussions about the movie since for a time there, it was virtually impossible to NOT all the details about it.

      Besides, who needs to spend that many hours waiting for a big ship to sink?

      • Mike McGee

        I’ve seen the clips and know the story, but never had any desire to sit through it.

      • I have also never seen it…nor have I seen Dances with Wolves.  I really have no interest in seeing either one.

      • lovelyivy

         I’m in this club too. There is nothing about the movie that looks remotely interesting, aside from the technical details of costume, hair and makeup, sets, and the tech. If I wanted information on those things (and after more than a decade why would I?) then I have the internet.

        No need for Lo or anyone to sit through that film if they haven’t already.

  • Nicola Trumble

    Nope, I’m with Lorenzo. I’ve never seen it. You kind of hit the nail on the head before, the ship sinks…..

  • shirab

    Not to worry, Lorenzo, I haven’t seen Titanic either, though there was enough noise about it when it was popular that I bet I could fake my way through a conversation about it, and so could you.

    Meanwhile, where’s the CL bag that was advertised?

  • I cannot conceive of a world where Lo has not seen Titanic. How is that possible?  Get to it NOW!  Tell him about all the gorgeous dresses, T.

  • estella_nyc

    Watch it for the costumes, L!

    • FashionShowAtLunch

      That, I can get behind.  The costume design is fantastic. 

      •  It is not a good movie, but the costumes are killer.  Watch it dubbed in some language you don’t understand, for preference.

    • alyce1213

      You don’t have to watch it for the costumes.  Just google the images and spare yourself.

      • FashionShowAtLunch

        ha – indeed.

    • I remember hearing that there was a big stir about the costumes, because the wardrobe department scrounged up all of the period costumes available in Hollywood for this era, and basically destroyed them all with the water.

  • I congratulate Lorenzo on having never seen this POS.  

  • Jessi03

    1) She is too pretty for this dress
    2) I may be biased (and probably am, since I was 13 when Titanic came out), but Lo!  Get thee to the theater and see Titanic!  It’s actually a lot better than what you’re probably thinking.  Not brilliant by any stretch of the imagination, but generally well done and the FASHION!  I could write an epic poem to Kate Winslet’s hat alone!

    • mshesterp

      I thought so too!  I was a teenager when I saw it, so I’m guessing that explains my “squeee!!!!”, but even though it’s completely melodramatic and over the top, I still love it.  I do!  But man, prepare your seat for 3 hours of real time.  It’s not for the faint of heart.

    • famousamy

      Same here! Teen when it came out. I think I saw it in the theater 5 times. I have mad love for this movie.. cheesy as it is.

    • Definitely a little biased (also was 13 when this came out, saw it in theaters close to twenty times, had Leo poster in my bedroom…) but after taking a few years to grow up, I came back to the movie and parts of it are still pretty stunning. The costumes are goddamn gorgeous, the models and sets are very nice, and there are some good character moments and lines through most of it.
      The plot isn’t anything very special, the acting’s not amazing, and the digital effects are pretty laughable now, but I think underneath it all is a pretty good movie. Whatever else it was, it was a filmmaking milestone and one of those rare “epics” that really tried to bring it all to the screen.

      • Jessi03


      • Everything what ali meeowmeow said, except I only watched it twice and had no Leo posters. 
        “Don’t watch it, because you know how it ends.” is a really strange argument. That would imply that it is redundant to produce movies that are based on real-life figures, historical events or even books.

      • ampg

        Yes, this – the thing about “Titanic” is that if you let yourself get swept up in it, it really delivers.  Yes, you will feel bad about yourself afterwards, but while you’re watching it, it really does feel epic.

    • NC_Meg

      I thought I was alone in my love for it. It came out when I was 10 or 11 and I love it. No, it’s not thebestmovieevermadeomg but I don’t think it’s as terrible as people make it seem. If you don’t like the movie itself you have the costumes, like everyone else said. Oh, and young Leo. Hello, young Leo.

    • I think T-Lo will be surprised to know they have so many baby nieces and nephews (I was actually 12 when it came out). I am absolutely sure I loved it because I was a fetus and Leo DiCaprio was the cutest thing since Devon Sawa, but I am also positive it wouldn’t be that unbearable to watch now.

      • racrobin

        Young Devon Sawa! Be still my heart. I actually sat through the credits of Casper to find out who he was…. and then he grew up and became completely creepy. Sigh….

      • kelsita421

        ha! devon sawa… people i’d forgotten existed… thank you for that!

      • NC_Meg

        Devon Sawa was my favorite. So cute.

        • LeBarron

          Mine too.  And now I’m thinking about Little Giants.

          • NC_Meg

            I have that on DVD. Still one of my favorites.

          • And how about “Now and then”, the cheesefest where he makes out AGAIN with Christina Ricci… that lucky bitch.  

          • NC_Meg

            Oh, I forgot about Now and Then! I love that movie. I was super jealous of her because she got to kiss him in that movie AND Casper.

    • kelsita421

      so glad i’m not alone in my love for this movie! also was a teen when it came out. maybe that’s why the obsession sticks with us babies — now it’s just fun to get nostalgic over the kate&leo melodrama and especially fun to quote things with our fellow baby nieces and nephews like… “oh stop it, mother. you’ll give yourself a nosebleed.”  (also — that HAT! you said it!)

    • bookish

      I also have a soft spot for this movie. I was 12 when it came out, and I believe I saw it in the theater four times and bawled every time. What is it with that odd desire, especially in teenage girls, to cry in public? I also had a Titanic poster in my bedroom (sister worked at the theater and snagged it for me) and a creepy as all hell Barbie replica of Kate Winslet in the red and black beaded dress. Sure it’s sappy, but I think the movie is worth watching once.

      • Jessi03

        I love that dress!

    • Adriana_Paula

      That hat is awesome: it’s the daughter of Audrey’s hat in My Fair Lady and the mom of Lady Grantham’s black and white hat in the first season of Downton Abbey.

    • MK03

      I was also 13 when it came out. I was smitten instantly and saw it 3 times (yes, I know…). My fervor has mellowed a lot over the years, but if I come across it while channel-surfing I can’t help but watch it. 

  • it’s not a piece of shit… it has PLENTY of flaws and a cliched script but imo it’s worth it because Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet (ESPECIALLY Kate)’s chemistry and performances are great and they have superb chemistry, and all the costumes were so beautiful. 

  • fungstyle

    Lo – you HAVE to see it. If only so you can laugh hysterically during the horribly awkward nude drawing scene. Or the spinning dance scene. Or any of the scenes where Billy Zane gets angry. Or… I could go on. It’s HILARIOUS. 

    • sockandaphone

      when it came out I was a wee lad and me and my friend snuck in to see it and we laughed the entire time. Once I told my mom she didnt get mad at me for sneaking in, but for laughing at a “true story.” /this concludes the “cool story, bro” segment

    • Alisa Rivera

      Google “Draw me like one of your French girls” meme. I have a feeling you’ll appreciate it.

    • Amy_R

      I took my 70+ year old mom to see it. After the movie I asked her what she thought of it, and the only thing she said was “what was the point of showing her naked in that car”. Still makes me laugh thinking about it.

      • TheOriginalLulu

        Thanks for the laugh Amy! That sounds exactly like something my 86-year old grandma would say, bless her heart.

      • cmb92191

        My Father in Law (RIP Dad) saw it and that was the FIRST thing he said as well.   He adored a  NIght to Remember though.. he would watch that over and over.

    • TheOriginalLulu

      Billy Zane and his eyebrows had some of the best moments.
      “I put the diamond in the coat….and I put the COAT on HER!!!!”

      • jilly_d

        Billy Zane is absolutely my favorite part of this movie.  “I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR TIME TOGETHAAA!!!”

        • TheOriginalLulu

          “Where are you going? To HIM?? To be his WHORE??”

          • Violina23

            “I’d rather be his whore than your wife!” 

            Ooooh, SNAP!

            (Apparently the spitting scene too several takes and they put something in Kate’s mouth to make it more dramatic on film. I don’t know why I know that. Or worse yet, what I don’t know because I know that)

          • MK03

            It was KY Jelly. No shit.

  • OK, as I was reading this, I was at first convinced that Lo hadn’t seen any of the ADS for the re-release, not the movie, because seriously…how did you not see it?

    It’s a worthy couple of hours. I mean, I wouldn’t buy the movie or anything, and I probably won’t go see it again, but it was a pretty essential part of the late 90s.

  • I’ve never seen it.  It is a source of pride for me.  Stay strong, Lorenzo!  You’ve (not)done something very few can boast about.  We should start a Never Seen Titantic Society.  I’ll get to work on the buttons, pamphlets and pledges.  

    • RebeccaKW

       Can I join?  Technically, I saw it, but I dozed off for parts and basically daydreamed through the rest.  So it’s like I haven’t seen it.

    • alyce1213

      I’m in.

    • Add me. The ship sinks and I couldn’t bear the thought of children drowning. Or anyone drowning actually. Add in locked gates and it was a water boarding movie for me. 

    • fringebenefit

      Count me in as a proud member of the NSTS. 

    • bluessis

      Count me in, too! I worked projection at a theater when it came out and that damn movie was so long it broke our projectors. It ended up on the floor all tangled up, too many times to count. A few times I had to cut it apart and tape it back together again, it was so snarled. A projectionists NIGHTMARE. Plus, I had to be in the theater as the movie ended and the credits started to clean up behind people. I must have seen Leo die, like 200 times. It got to where I’d want to cheer when it happened. Still haven’t sat and seen the whole thing. I really hate it. It took me years to stop calling it The F$*king Titanic.

      • TheDivineMissAnn

        Love this post!

      • Elizabetta1022

        I have a confession–I actually *did* cheer when Leo died. (At home, watching a rental by myself b/c my husband fell asleep within the first 10 minutes.) The story and acting were terrible. PS Love your story.

    • Celandine1

      Just say no Lorenzo and don’t bow to peer pressure! I adore Kate Winslet but I just can’t with this one. I have some artist friends who could whip up a logo for the club.

    • TropiCarla

      I’ll be the treasurer. I have oodles of relevant experience.

    • TropiCarla

      I’ll be the treasurer. I have oodles of relevant experience.

    •  When it first came out, I was at a theatre having seen “Good Will Hunting”.  Afterward, I was in the bathroom when I heard teenage girls come in, and as they were sobbing aloud, one of them said “that was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen!”  I knew right then that I could never watch it!  My mother had the best response to it though; she said, “Why would I sit through it for 2 1/2 hours when I know what happens at the end!”

    • altalinda

      I’m there!  I’ve never seen it, and don’t miss it.

    •  Does anyone have a beadazzler?  I have a feeling we’re going to need jackets!

  • Alison Jimenez

    Screechingly annoying Celine Dion song aside, I actually thought the movie was really well done … the casting is superb. He needs to watch it to see pre-baldness Billy Zane flip a table over, be a terrible shot, and get spat on in the face if for nothing else.

    • I could be wrong, but I thought it was Toupee-Clad Billy, not Pre-Baldness Billy.  In any case, he chews the scenery to less than great effect.

      • MilaXX

         it was toupee-clad Billy

        • NC_Meg

          If that wasn’t a toupee, then I am Billy Zane himself.

      • MK03

        I think he was filming The Phantom or something else that required him to shave his head, so they had to wig him.

    • TheOriginalLulu

      That song was one of the most overplayed pieces of crap ever, but going through the 90s without seeing Titanic is a bit like going through the 80s without seeing E.T.

      • Lilithcat

        I never saw E.T. either.

        • TheOriginalLulu

          So now you have two movies for your Netflix queue. 🙂

          • Lilithcat

             Don’t have a Netflix queue.  Seriously.  I was devastated when my local video store closed.  I’m one of those people who, on a Tuesday night with nothing on the tube and no book going, would say to herself,  “I think I’ll go rent a video”.  Then I’d wander down the street and browse for awhile until something struck my fancy.  I found the best movies that way!  Like U-Carmen eKhayelitsha.  I’d never have known about that movie if I had to rely on Netflix.

        • holdmewhileimnaked

          me either.

        • bitchybitchybitchy

          Congratulations on missing two of the most over-hyped POS’s American cinema hase produced.

  • So much ‘Titanic’ hatred! I am so excited for it to be back in theaters!

    • VicksieDo

      In 3-D no less!

    • NC_Meg

      Me too. The ship sank on my birthday so you bet your ass I’m going to see it in theaters on my birthday.

      •  Hey, that’s my birthday too!  Also the day Lincoln died.

        • NC_Meg

          Yep! We have a cheerful birthday.

  • Kate Millard

    I totally misread the tweet about this and thought there was a shocking revelation about JLo in this, oops (though I don’t know why I was so intrigued about that either).

    And for Lorenzo – SEE IT, if only so you can watch the extra bounce off the propeller on loop.

    • NC_Meg

      My cousin used to rewind the tape at that part and we’d have to watch it 3 or 4 times before we could continue with the movie. 

  • Lo High

    Just see it. It won’t kill you and if anything, young Leo is hot in it, Kate’s hair is awesome, Billy Zane is one of the most epic douchebags ever and the best part is you’ll get to talk shit about how the character of Rose never really grew as a person considering she started out as a self-centered rich biyotch and died the same way (except she had some adventures, whoop-di-do). 

    • thank you! i hated rose through the whole thing. and no one will ever convince me that there wasn’t room for 2 on that door in the ocean.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        Rose was such an annoying character. I would have thrown her butt and her damn tacky-ass pendant overboard 15 minutes into the film.

      • bitchybitchybitchy

        Rose was such an annoying character. I would have thrown her butt and her damn tacky-ass pendant overboard 15 minutes into the film.

  • Joyce VG

    It really is a lovely movie with a young Leo and Kate looking all young and tragic.  I agree watch for the costume design, but stay for the story.

  • Okay, I’m moving back in with daddy Lorenzo. Stay strong! Don’t see it!

  • Michelle Nguyen

    My dearest Lorenzo,

    “Titanic” is simply one of those cultural phenomenons that one must see for the sake of understanding the billions of references that have been made (and will be made) to it in almost every field. It really has inserted itself into the modern lexicon – even if it is so covered in cheese one would mistake it for a fondue accident.  It’s much like seeing “The Godfather” or “Gone With the Wind” (though not quite as good) as part of Pop Culture 101, and should probably be approached as like a rather dim textbook for one of those fundamentals courses you took in college.  Who knows – you might actually like some parts! Though knowing the both of you…probably not for their intended reasons. 😛

    Also – pretty costumes. 😀

    Hope that suffices!


    • joything

      “…so covered in cheese one would mistake it for a fondue accident.”


      • kat89

        I know, right? I am TOTALLY stealing that line! Hahahahahahah!

    • MilaXX

       My sister has never seen GWTW and refuses to do so.

      • I’ve never seen Godfather — sorry, I just don’t get the appeal. 

        • dress_up_doll

          I’ve never seen any of them either, but on occasion will lie and say I did for conversational purposes.

      • Isy

         I haven’t seen GWTW either, but mostly because everything I’ve ever seen about it makes me deeply uncomfortable and I just can’t get onboard.

        • MilaXX

          I have to admit once I saws it, I was like, “That’s it?”

      • Isy

         I haven’t seen GWTW either, but mostly because everything I’ve ever seen about it makes me deeply uncomfortable and I just can’t get onboard.

      • Violina23

        I didn’t want to see GWTW, but I was glad I did — the story was much more complex than I had imagined it from the few scattered scenes I had seen clips of (e.g. southern belles in pretty dresses, and “I will never be hungry again!”).

        I’d love to see a Snarky TLo review of GWTW as well as Titanic now… TLo, new feature:   “Classic Movie Tuesdays?”

        • Judy_J

          I’ve seen GWTW too many times to count, but if you don’t ever see the movie, read the book.  Margaret Mitchell only had one book in her, but what a book it is!

  • DeborahLipp

    I was just having this conversation yesterday. Titanic is a very good movie. Oh, sure, not much of a script and the romance is cheeeezy, but it’s  a beautiful achievement, and a wonderful visual spectacle, and very respectful of an important historical moment. It’s worth seeing.

  • EspyRants

    I think you should see it. Just so you know what to complain about when it comes up.

  • I have not seen it either. Just the thought of that Celine Dion music is enough to make me cringe. 

    • TieDye64

      Yes. It is cringe-worthy.

  • Resist. Do not see it. Before I saw an ad for the re-release, I might have said, yeah, sure, why not. But I am sick to death of seeing ads for a 15-year-old, 2.5 hour-long James Cameron jerkoff session NOW IN 3D. James. Give it up. No one cares. (He reads this blog, right? Doesn’t everyone?)

    • MK03

      To be fair, all of James Cameron’s movies are 2.5 hour-long James Cameron jerkoff sessions.

    • Kimbolina

      “James Cameron jerkoff session” could be used to describe most everything that man has done.

    • MilaXX

       isn’t it closer to 3 hrs long?

  • Sell him on the fact that Kate Winslet’s character is a little Lady Mary Crawley-esque.

    • Stephen Pischl

      I mean, Lady Sybil Crawley, but your point’s right on: I imagine the Venn Diagram depicting those people who enjoy Downton Abbey and those who appreciate Titanic looking almost like a total eclipse.

  • slightlybitterkitten

    From a script point of view, it is a travesty.  As a guilty pleasure, it is not nearly as awkwardly entertaining as Showgirls.  Yet, Kate naked might be worth it.  She may well have been “a dish”  (ARGH!  I hate that line!)  Also, it’s a part of cultural literacy…. moving on…

  • I dunno. There are certain movies you have to watch to understand why so many sex scenes feature a hand slammed against a steamy window, why people even nowadays like to stand at the prow of a boat with their arms spread wide and why Celine Dion and penny whistles bring people out in hives.

    Having said which I saw it, left the cinema in floods of tears, but have no desire ever to see it again.  Leo is cute though.

    • siriuslover

      hahahahahahahahahahahaha! YES! Your first paragraph is brilliance!

    • AgingWell

       Oh god yes–the sex in the steamed-up car. As Elaine Bennis said of the bathtub sex in the English Patient: “C’mon, give me something I can use.”

    • LOL!!! I second that first paragraph. Watch it if not to understand the cultural references alone.  Not to mention the chase of the diamond of the sea or whatever that thing was.  

  • I watched it on a plane. It’s pretty, from a historical reproduction perspective. So, um, you should watch it because they stuck all that meticulous recreation of setting into such a lame-ass story?

  • katje9

    Oh, you must see it! It’s cheesy, glorious, romantic fun. Over the top, yes. What’s more fun than that? The clothes are gorgeous. I tend to eschew most blockbusters on general principles, but I really enjoy this movie. The plot is hackneyed and the dialogue is awful, although Winslet and DiCaprio are trying like hell to make it work. Cameron makes a good action movie, and that’s what this is – an action movie with gorgeous set dressing and wardrobe and pretty people. His attention to detail is pathological, which is part of what makes it worth watching. The real shots of the wreck are fascinating and beautiful in a strange, sad way. Rose is also a kick-ass heroine in her way – wading chest deep through freezing cold water holding an axe over your head – while wearing a corset – is no mean feat.

  • I recommend watching it as a comedy. It’s all so ridiculously over the top that you can’t help but laugh. Also, there is an interesting commentary on gender roles in that Leo’s character takes the typically “feminine” role and Kate is more aggressive or “masculine” so it’s fun reading into it way more than any of those actually involved with the production did. If nothing else, you can always look for the Crawley cousins in the background.

    • Lori

      Thank FSM I’m not the only one who watched Titanic as a sort of weird comedy. I nearly laughed out loud at the scene where Rose flicks the frozen Jack off her little raft and he sinks. I know that probably makes me a bad person, but it was so bad and over the top that I just found it hilarious. It seemed like every single person in the theater except me was crying over how saaad it was though, so I kept my laughter to myself out of self-preservation.

  • “Everyone knows the ships sinks.”  I remember seeing interviews of people (all right, teenage girls) after the movie who were stunned and angry that the ship sank.

    • Kimmu

      One of my friends, who I went and saw it the first time with, was actually sitting in her chair in the movie theatre whispering “oh my god there’s an iceburg you need to turn the boat around” over and over because she somehow thought that this was going to go AU and the boat wasn’t going to sink.

    • I bet these were the same girls who watched Marie Antoinette and when it was over said, “But what happened to her and her kids?  She was ok in end, right?”

  • allj

    Titanic came out when I was in 5th grade (I know, I’m a baby) and it was a big deal because it was PG13 and only some parents would let my classmates see it. My parents didn’t let me, so I just had to be satisfied singing “My Heart Will Go On” at the top of my lungs until it came out on VHS and I could sneak a viewing. I say this to let you know that 90% of my feelings are colored by pre-teen rebellion and deprivation.

    Kate’s costumes are gorgeous. I was completely envious of them upon the first viewing, and I still want to own about half of the dresses. It’s worth it just for that. Also, Billy Zane. Also, Kathy Bates. Also, do it because it will piss off your mom.

  • The only reason I can think of to watch this is if you have tween relatives.  Then you make comments such as “OMG it’s just like say the girl on Titanic and her (fill in the blank)!”  I guess if you sat through Showgirls and had a good time making snarky comments, you can apply the same to Titanic.  Pattie in SF

  • I only saw 20 minutes of it while getting a pedicure, and I was reading an old IN TOUCH magazine, and getting one of those chair back massages, and the sound wasn’t on.  Does that still count?  I say don’t see it.  Remember what your mother said about little Johnny and jumping off a cliff.

  • sockandaphone

    I am a huge Titanic fan (and yes, Im admit its campy as hell, but that doesnt change anything) and Im kinda sad no one is willing to go see with my in theaters as mostly everyone scoffs and/or laughs. Watch it for the clothes, at least! 

  • TieDye64

    I highly recommend it if you’re struggling with insomnia. I tried to watch it three different times and never got past the first twenty  minutes, at most. Literally a snoozefest, for me anyway. 

  • Rand Ortega

    Sorry, darlings, I can’t. Can’t be a hypocrite. Saw 25 mins of that pile & bolted. Life’s too short to sacrifice 3+ hours on that.

  • marignygirl

    Best movie experience I ever had ! My parents went with me, and after the matinee  we went to the Titanic exhibit. Occasionally after a beer or two my Dad will still say “Jack, draw me like one of your French girls.” Hilarious – and maybe it’s because he’s a conservative dude in his 60’s — but it was worth the price of admission. I say go for the camp value alone!

    • poggi

       That is absolutely hysterical. 

  • Watch it. And live tweet it as you watch it, so we can enjoy the snarky commentary. 🙂

    • Oh my God… T! Lo! You could do an entire post, a la your old Musical Mondays features! I miss the shit out of those!

  • norseofcourse

    Ignore Titanic. I watched it once – about a year ago – when I was running a high fever and at the mercy of basic cable. 
    Stay home and watch the original Poseidon Adventure instead. (Gotta love Shelley Winters.)

    • marignygirl

      I prefer the Jayne Cobb/Adam Baldwin remake of Poseidon, although to be honest I was halfway through it before I realized he was on a boat, obviously I think he’s hot. 

  • MK03

    Aww, you should see it. If only to drool over the sets and costumes. That movie is what started my love affair with the Edwardian era.

  • siriuslover

    Titanic was the first movie my husband and I saw after we had our son. I wanted to see As Good as it Gets, but my mom said, “but you’re a historian, you have to see it.”  Lorenzo should see it only because it will add to his reservoir of knowledge about movies to make fun of. Every element of that damned movie is laughable…except one…with the Irish mommy and her kids. But oh my god, the steam, the painting, the whistle, the “Goddammit,” the cowardly male, I mean, if I could sit through that piece of crap so Cameron could declare onstage that he was “king of the world” (and really, who didn’t think he put that line in the movie thinking, man, I could say this in my speech!), then Lorenzo, by virtue of his high blogging status, is morally obligated to see it. So he can laugh at it. With me. over tea.

    • MK03

      The scene with the Irish mom and her kids was the only thing that made me cry. 

      • marignygirl

        oh that nice Swedish looking girl losing her grip and bouncing off every obstruction down the now vertical deck did it for me. 

      • hac51

        That and the lady with her baby.  Oh God, the humanity.

  • Lizzyisi

    When they made (SPOILER ALERT!!) Billy Zane kick a puppy because his charisma was overpowering any desire to prefer Leo DiCaprio, I burst out laughing, angering a bunch of teenagers sitting near me.

    That’s all I remember about the movie.

    But I like Kate WInslet not squished into her clothes and being old Hollywood in her choices.

  • I really liked the movie, but the pairing of Leo and Kate almost ruined it for me.  They’re both absolutely fantastic apart, but she needed a bigger man, or he needed a smaller lady.  He looked like her kid brother.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      You are so right about the physical mismatch of Leo and Kate. My husband and I thought that scene looks as if Kate’s molesting little Leo!

  • Martova

    DON’T WATCH IT LORENZO! Please preserve the endangered species that is the Titanic Pure. You may be missing out on “the conversation” but your soul is still intact. 

  • golden_valley

    Sorry Tom.  Lorenzo is right.  Life is too short to spend any time watching this horrible movie.  Here’s all you need to know about this movie.  The ship sinks.  

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      And ‘A Night to Remember” is a far superior movie. Forget the F/X and the costumes in Cameron’s flick. “A Night” genuinely captures the tragedy of Titanic.  And, for anyone who wants a good wallow in sentimentality, there’s “Titanic” with Barbara Stanwyck and Clifton Webb-a three hankie special!

  • DinaSews

    Sorry Lo, but like E.T., it’s a must see.  Even though you know what happens, it’s getting there that’s half the fun.  It was a little cheesy but moved me anyway.  I think that you have to be an age to appreciate it though.  Some of the 20 year olds that were leaving the theater said ‘OMG, why are all of these people crying? It’s just a movie’.

  • Kelley Prosser

    I never saw it, and I never hope to see it.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Stay strong-I saw it and it isn’t worth your time or money.

  • It’s worth it for Billy Zane’s eyebrow.

  • lalahartma

    Nope!  I haven’t seen it, either.  And I SURE as hell won’t be seeing it in 3D.  

  • Titanic was awful.  Save your time and money.

    As for Kate, it’s okay.  But she does look really good.

  • Sara__B

    My then 14-year-old daughter saw Titanic four times, and dragged me to see it. I liked it so much I went to see it again, which was a mistake because I began to notice the many flaws, such as characters completely out of character for the times. Now that we’ve seen Downton Abbey, Titanic might be even harder to take, but go see it on the big screen anyway, Lorenzo. The costumes and sets are gorgeous, the special effects are dazzling, and Winslet and DiCaprio are young and charming. Suspend your disbelief and enjoy yourself!

    (edited for wonky line breaks)

  •  I have never seen Titanic and never will. FIN.  Props to Lorenzo!!!

  • joything

    Lorenzo, an astute reviewer had this advice when it came out in prehistoric 2D: Be there at the beginning, stay until Kate and Leo are both on board.  Then go out and have dinner. Come back for the last hour, when the ship is sinking.

    It’s that last hour that makes the film the achievement it is. These are images that were not possible until Cameron got the money to make his movie.  He invented the technology to extrapolate these images from stories of the survivors, what they saw, and what was seen when the wreck was discovered.

    Everything else?  Cheese, cheese, cheese cheese, gluey goopy cheese.  In beautiful costumes.  But really, the first 45 minutes and the last hour are all you need.

    • another_laura

      That is beautiful and right on!  The visual effects, art direction and costumes were breathtaking to me when I saw it.  I can’t watch it again because gawd, the dialogue but I remember being just stunned over the introduction to the ship, and the ship sinking.  The rest, it is dreckitude.

      • joything

        You know, what are we caviling about?  Just watch it with the sound off.

  • Totally off-topic, but I just saw the Snow White & the Huntsman trailer, and I’m hoping for a LOT of TLo opinions on the fashion/art directing–which looks more interesting than Mirror Mirror, not that that’s saying much.  Go to it boys!!  (Please and thank you.)

  • Sarah Aronson

    No pressure, Lorenzo. I haven’t seen it, and I own the DVD. (a wedding gift)

    • That… seems like a kind of ominous wedding gift. I hope it wasn’t supposed to be a commentary on your marriage.

      • Sarah Aronson

        Although our motto is “Neither one of you deserves the other,” we didn’t take it that way. The gift was a box of movies all about love….but we’d rather watch The Wire/Breaking Bad….

  • luluransom

    Errr, I’m with Lo. Never seen it. I mean, I know how it ends, what’s the point?


    p.s. nertz, this was supposed to be in reply to the James Cameron jerkoff sessions comment

  • Titanic is worth seeing. It is not a piece of shit. It was a cultural phenomenon, and see it for that reason. The fashion, too.

  • AlexisPayne

    I don’t know, the costumes are gorgeous and I personally love watching the boat sink. 
    The love story and what have you is lame. 
    But ya, you’re missing something if you haven’t seen it; it’s like women my age who haven’t seen Dirty Dancing.

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      *hasn’t seen Dirty Dancing*  Patrick Swayze?  Yeuch.

  • The makeup rocks – done by the fab Lisa ELdridge!!!!

  • No. Totally no.  Titanic is a movie you see once in the theaters with hundreds of other people who are watching it for the first time with you and everyone is crying. That way you don’t think about it or parse it and just remember the pure awesomeness that it was.  Then, NEVER SEE IT AGAIN.  

  • Spicytomato1

    Lorenzo, that’s almost 3 hours of your life that you’ll never get back. Against my better judgement, and probably so I too could “be part of the conversation,” I saw it. And hated it more than I ever expected. Easily in my top 5 worst movies of all time.

  • Maya Laukaran


    I too have never seen Titanic. I have occasionally caught a scene when it’s aired on tv, but have NEVER had any desire to watch it in it’s entirety. I don’t think we’re missing out. I’m with you!

  • Maya Laukaran

    I too have never seen Titanic. I have occasionally caught a scene when it’s aired on tv, but have NEVER had any desire to watch it in it’s entirety. I don’t think we’re missing out. I’m with you!

  • oatmealpie

    Watch it. And play the JackRose drinking game: Tom drinks every time Rose says “Jack!” and Lorenzo drinks every time Jack says “Rose!” This comprises the entire dialog for the second half. You’ll both pass out by the end; it’s the only way to make the movie watchable.

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      I was just looking through the trivia on IMDB.  Apparently Kate W – as Rose – says ‘Jack’ 80 times and Leo DiC – as Jack – says ‘Rose’ 50 times.  I’m concerned that your drinking game will end at the hospital!

      • formerlyAnon

        Well, Lo may be o.k. as he’ll have to stop the movie to make sure Tom is still breathing and not in danger of aspirating any of his own vomit.

  • funkycamper

    Storyline is meh and I never bought the whole romance thing.  Worth watching for the sets, fashions, and the amazing recreation of the Titanic itself.  So do what I did and nap for part of the movie asking someone to nudge you once they hit the iceberg.  I’m a big Titanic-maniac, have read numerous books, seen all the movies, gone to the exhibits, etc.  The way this movie portrays the sinking is probably the most realistic in terms of the great CGI and the way the whole way it actually went down per witness testimonies.  It gave me more of a feeling of the true horror of it than any other film has been able to convey.  And, for that reason alone, I’ll probably suffer through the 3-D version.  Again, napping through the romancey-schmancey parts.

  • Don’t waste your time. I regret that I can’t get those 2+ hours of my life back.

  • Alisa Rivera

    Victor Garber plays the architect and packs more real emotion into ten minutes of screen time than the whole rest of the cast does in 2+ hours. Worth seeing it just for his last scene with Rose.

  • Jessica Eveland

    I haven’t seen it either! I was a high school girl when it came out and still didn’t see it. I think that is when my parents started questioning my sexual orientation.

  • I’ve only seen the end of the movie, which seems like the most fun part. Other than that, I feel I’ve not only not missed out, but have saved what would have been wasted time. It’s funny how quickly perspective comes in with movies that people get obsessed with.

  • Amy_R

    Worth seeing for the ‘historical’ aspects. Seeing what the ship really looked like, the ballrooms, staircase etc was only good part. The movie itself stunk-ola.

  • krelnick

    The first half is a snoozer but once that bitch hits the iceberg, it’s fantastic.  Oh, and you can make a drinking game out of it.  Each take a flask of your favorite adult beverage.  One of you pick “Jack” and one of you pick “Rose”.  Every time anyone says one of those name, Bob’s yer uncle!

  • FWG_SC

    I’ve never been able to sit through it.  I tried, multiple times, but I just can’t do it.  It’s TERRIBLE.

  • belfebe

    The ship sank.  Get over it.  You go Lorenzo.  I haven’t watched it either.  As for Kate Winslet, she looks divine.

  • judybrowni

    Ignored it in theaters, because of the reviews, but caught it on TV.

    If you ignored Leo and Kate, Titanic worked as an action flick with high-toned backdrops.

    • judybrowni

      You’ll also get a chuckle out of Kate’s hair-color (a shade of red apparently fashionable the year the film came out, but Bozo-licious for any other period in time, Edwardian or now.)

  • I saw it once when it came out, because people were insanely raving about it.  It’s certainly not an exciting story line, but could be fun to watch and make fun of for 2.5 hours.  Make some fun of it and let Lorenzo write a recap.  I beg. 

  • holdmewhileimnaked

    dear lorenzo:
    i also have not seen it. it doesnt matter. yes you are out of the conversation, sort of. i’ll give you that–if not entirely. everyone knows enough about it, especially if they follow any of the following: a/trends; b/fashion; c/kate winslet; d/leo; e/making fun of what everyone else is talking about–so i gather you are covered. you can join in. if need be.

    ps. if you wanna see leo at his finest, whats eating gilbert grape may be his first [or one of them], but it probably still is his most shining hour [or one of them]. plus you get to see johnny depp look startlingly, breathtakingly beautiful before very many people have heard of him. in that way it’s one of his finest hours too.

    sign me,
    yr tired friend, webmistress, family caretaker & vintage dealer,
    not to mention a long time fan of this website,

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      Yes to Gilbert Grape but it’s actually Mr Depp’s performance in that film that makes me leap to my feet and applaud. I love him in things like Donnie Brasco and Grape, his quiet, centred performances.  I enjoy the ‘out there’ bravura stuff too but by God he’s good when he’s simply reacting.

      For Leo – I bloody love William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet.  What Leo DiC does with his eyebrows, when he first spys Claire Danes through the fish tank, is one of my Top Ten movie moments. 

      • formerlyAnon

        Depp brings me close to tears in that movie.

  • It’s not worth torturing yourself with the whole movie.  All the parts you need to see (which is basically the sets and the costumes) can be achieved by a Google image search and/or watching brief snippets on YouTube.

  • Kimmu

    I tend to be the most cold hearted of bitches when it comes to movies and what makes me cry, but when I went and saw the Hunger Games last weekend, I actually teared up as the damn trailer played and the song kicked in. Fast forward a couple of hours, and my nephew was openly sobbing over Rue and I was like “What is wrong with all of these crying people?”

    It’s actually not as bad as people make it out to be. The costume design and effects are stunning and Kate and Leo were perfectly fine, even if the romance is super cheesy. Sometimes, cheese is just fine.

  • holdmewhileimnaked

    dear lorenzo:
    i also have not seen it. it doesnt matter. yes you are out of the conversation, sort of. i’ll give you that–if not entirely. everyone knows enough about it, especially if they follow any of the following: a/trends; b/fashion; c/kate winslet; d/leo; e/making fun of what everyone else is talking about–so i gather you are covered. you can join in. if need be.

    ps. if you wanna see leo at his finest, whats eating gilbert grape may be his first [or one of them], but it probably still is his most shining hour [or one of them]. plus you get to see johnny depp look startlingly, breathtakingly beautiful before very many people have heard of him. in that way it’s one of his finest hours too.

    sign me,
    yr tired friend, webmistress, family caretaker & vintage dealer,
    not to mention a long time fan of this website,

    edited to add:
    she looks great albeit here she needs to employ the same foundation garments she’s been vehemently wearing everywhere else.

  • I agree…totally worth it for the costumes. You should at least see it once, and then tell us what you thought!!

  • LesYeuxHiboux

    I’ve seen it, it’s typical Cameron fun: huge, loud, visually striking, and the plot is drawn with one of those big fat crayons they give to kindergarteners. A wannabe epic. It’s just a good time melodrama. My husband has never seen it either but I argued him into doing it this time because he loves James Cameron and it’s more a James Cameron film than it is a love story or the story of the Titanic. Also, the score is bomb, Celine not withstanding.

    BRITNEY referenced it in a SONG, for chrissakes! THERE’S your conversation!

    • j_anson

      Hah, that reference was hilarious. “Well baby, I went down and got it for ya!” “Awww, you shouldn’t have…”

  • Judy_J

    I’ve never seen Titanic, nor do I wish to.  I am a stickler for accuracy when it comes to films based on actual events.  From what I have read about the film, the key plot device is that the Leonardo DiCaprio character is a third-class passenger, and he manages to somehow make his way to the first class deck and mingle with the passengers there.  In reality, he would not have been allowed outside his level on the ship.  The rules were strictly enforced so that the first class passengers would not have to even see the lower classes, much less mingle with them.  The lower decks were actually locked to ensure this would not happen, which is why so many lower deck passengers were lost when the ship went down.  The romance between the lower class ruffian and the first class beauty would have been totally implausible in real life.  I can’t get past that.  But like I said, I’m picky about such matters.

    • lalagigi

      That bothered me as well, along with the fact that other than the famous boarding scene, Rose never wore a hat. I understand why, but for some reason it bothered me that all the women wore hats out doors and she didn’t. Not proper for the time period.

    • Lilithcat

      I am a stickler for accuracy when it comes to films based on actual events.

      You and me both.  I recently saw a gorgeous film, visually and musically speaking, Mozart’s Sister, that drove me plain ’round the bend.  Among other things, it had the Mozarts arrive at Versailles during an event that occurred ten years before Wolfgang was even born, and had Louise de France a mere child in the Convent of St.-Denis when in fact she entered it at the age of 33.  Worse than the defamation of Salieri that was Amadeus.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Thank you. You so eloquently voiced my feelings about the historical inaccuracy of Cameron’s Titanic. 

  • kimmeister

    That dress is so OUT on Kate.  Manages to look matronly even with the plunging neckline.

    And I do think seeing Titanic is worth it just for the pop culture references.

  • aimee_parrott

    Ooh, I have things to say. 

    Reasons to watch the movie:

    1. It’s visually stunning and the effects are spectacular.

    2. …

    Yeah, that’s all I’ve got.  James Cameron’s dialogue is AWFUL.  Maybe if you watched it in another language, without subtitles?  The plot, aside from the boat sinking, is incredibly lame.  Seriously, the dialogue is so terrible that it gives me hives.  And there are so many good screenwriters out there that James Cameron COULD be working with if he could get out of the way of his own ego.

  • kirble

    Lorenzo, you’ll never fully understand the richness and emotion of Céline Dion’s greatest masterpiece “My Heart Will Go On” until you see the movie. 

    • formerlyAnon

      Good one. I laughed out loud.

  • Alisa Rivera

    But they’re gettting jerkier as time goes on. Compare the Terminator movies, Aliens and the Abyss with Titanic and dear God, Avatar. This is what happens when someone becomes too powerful to be edited. *also giving side-eye to George Lucas*

  • dorothea_brooke

    See it, so you two can start a new film feature.  Historical Romance Thursdays!  It will be wonderful.  Corsets!  Colin Firth! Fights in the comment sections about fichus and bustles.  

    • Laura Rizzo

      PLEASE consider this even if only as a monthly treat or something……great idea!

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Colin Firth as a soaking wet Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice!  That might just give me the vapors!

      • Judy_J

        Oh, my YES!  Fetch me my smelling salts!

  • RebeccaKW

    DO NOT WATCH. OMG, I wish I could take back the time I spent watching it.  I will say, I only saw it to get a free meal out of the deal, but when I agreed to the terms I had no idea how boring this would be.  Oh-my BOYFRIEND is who convinced me to see it, as he’d seen it 4 times already.  It was shortly after seeing this movie-and him crying throughout while I dozed off-that we broke up.  NOT COMPATIBLE.

  • TaurusKW

    I may be off topic here by actually talking about her dress, but I don’t like the broach at her navel.  I think I’d like the dress a lot more if it were just the black sheath with the pop of silver at the shoulders.

  • Ruth Preston

    POS is right. My then-BF and I walked out of the theatre saying, “Well, damn. That’s two-plus hours we’ll never get back.” Trembly-lipped damsel + absurdly young looking worldly adventurer + Snidely Whiplash fiance + copious pearl clutching + CGI = BLECCH.

  • Lola67

    Wow, I had this same conversation with my husband over the weekend. He never saw the movie, I saw it once, in the theater and the projector broke at the end so I missed out on a little bit. See it. Like others mentioned, the ship and costumes are great and the water is scary!

  • Pants_are_a_must

    Nope. Titanic was 3 (6? 12? ETERNITY?) hours of my life I want back. Stay strong, Lorenzo!

  • I treat Titanic much like I do Sound of Music. I watch Titanic until the ship hits the iceberg. I watch Sound of Music til the wedding. I enjoy both more for it. 

    • But then you miss the part where they all sing Eidelweiss and escape from the Nazis!

    • LesYeuxHiboux

      Oh man, I only like the part AFTER the ship hits the iceberg. Except for the costumes, they are boss.

      • out for a walk

        when I heard ‘Titanic in 3D’ my first thought was definitely about how the 3D would work for the shot of the guy who bounces off of the ship’s propellers. pretty much the best part.

  • Lorenzo, I haven’t seen it either.  The trailer was too long for me.

  • poketom

    Ok listen, the striped Edwardian outfit complete with hat and tie that Rose wears in the opening scene of the movie is reason enough to see the film. Serious. 

  • watch it just for billy zane!

  • JanieS

    The fact that I like Titanic has nothing to do with the fact that I was a 16-year-old girl when I first saw it. Really. I swear.

    Seriously though, it’s super-cheesy. Watching Billy Zane  chewing all  EEEEEVIL is a hoot. Victor Garber gives a good performance. King Theoden is also there. Also Kate Winslet has beautiful clothes and is super-lovely. I blame her for all of my bad red hair dye decisions in college.

  • Eclectic Mayhem

    I have a fondness for James Cameron, I love the Terminator movies and I even like The Abyss.  I cannot, however, forgive him for Titanic.  I used to be able to RANT non-stop, for about an hour, on why the film is so bad so don’t get me started.  I’ll try to give you just the edited highlights but will ask for forgiveness in advance in case I get carried away.

    How DARE Cameron fuck with history, especially such tragic history.

    There are so many, real, stories of heroism and despair revolving around the sinking of that ship – why bother pinning this palid, fictional love story on it?  Why not tell the REAL stories?

    Billy Zane’s hair piece.

    I don’t, for a second, believe that Leo DiCaprio’s ‘Jack’ has been around the world and done what he’s done.  I like Leo DiCaprio but he was a BOY.  Cameron should’ve cast a MAN.

    If you’ve watched enough action movies you begin to recognise the formula at play.  Aaaaaand PERIL!  Blah, blah, blah – More PERIL!  Blah, blah, blah  etc.  All the while Jack’s handcuffed and Billy Zane (or is it his manservant, I forget) is barging around with a gun THE WHOLE BLOODY SHIP IS SINKING!  Surely that’s enough peril for anyone without all these extra stabs of action.

    *Shakes fist at James Cameron*

    • 3boysful

       And how about when Kate is dancing at the party in steerage, and shows off how she can roll up to pointe–barefoot?!?  And it’s way obvious b/c the shot cuts to only the feet (b/c obviously someone is holding onto a barre for dear life; well, except maybe one of those bionic young things on SYTYCD . . . .).

    • Violina23

      My argument to some of the ridiculousness of Jack’s character is that this entire story comes from the mind of a 101 year old woman. Who’s to say she’s not inflating this person in her memory? Who’s to say this “Jack” doesn’t actually look like Chris Farley?  Who’s to say that she didn’t “misremember” all the things he did?

      It’s formulaic, but I didn’t find it as rage-inducing as you.  But then again, I didn’t mind the Star Wars prequels, despite their undeniable flaws.  

  • It was better than Avatar. Is that praise too faint?

  • Glammie

    The dialogue is stilted, but the production values are fab and Kate and Leo never looked prettier.  It really is worth seeing once–definitely better than Showgirls.  Oh, and the underwater shots of the sunken Titanic are fascinating and eerie.  That, alone, makes it unique.

  • MoreShoes

    I haven’t seen it either. I was so sick of that stupid Celine Dion song, I refused to see the movie. As it seems we are not alone and trust me, we’re okay 🙂

  • Team Lorenzo!!!  He’d be better off sitting through the entire Twilight saga.   

    Well…maybe not that…

    • Ugh.  That sounds like the most painful game of “Death Is Not An Option”.

  • trisker

    The scenes of the wreck turning into the living ship by means of special effects happens right at the beginning, and it was worth the price of admission.

  • nancy

    My daughter and I had the VHS – took two videos for the whole monstrous thing. We only liked to watch the second video, which begins with the extras bouncing off railings, etc. And then we’d cheer for Leo to sink. The costuming is fabulous, though. 

  • rafraf25

    I only saw it when it first came out because my parents dragged me. The script & acting were typical over-sentimentalized hollow POS. Leo wasn’t even hot then, he looked like he was 12.

  • MilaXX

    oh hale no, that was one long, boring movie. Stay away Lorenzo!

  • ericgoesgaga

    I CANNOT believe that people think this movie is a POS. It’s such a great movie!!! How dare you insult it! Its a beautiful love story and the work that went in to making it is astounding. Bitter Bitches

  • I cried through the whole damn movie. But I think I was 15. I’m not sure I should convince Lorenzo to see this. How much time have I wasted on BS movies that “everyone” loves? Way too much time. (Top Gun, Forrest Gump, Officer & a Gentleman, Big Fat Greek Wedding, etc, etc…)

  • I haven’t seen it for precisely the same reasons that Lorenzo hasn’t! We know the ship sinks, she lives, he dies. The TRAILERS gave it away, for god’s sake. Why should I waste 2.5 hours of my life, AND force myself to listen to that godawful Celine Dion song?  I shouldn’t, and neither should Lorenzo.

    Showgirls, on the other hand, is a significant piece of popular culture. Without it, we’d never have picked up on the “Versase” reference from last week’s RPDR.

    • Violina23

      I kinda feel pad for the person who was spoiled to the fact that the ship sinks 😉

  • Mrs

    I never saw it.

  • j_anson

    Meh. I never saw it either. So, solidarity, Lorenzo! The special effects and sets looked pretty, but I’m not sure it seemed worthwhile to sit through the whole rigamarole to see them.

  • R. L.

    Seeing the real footage of sunken Titanic, the drama brought to it and how the film-makers conveyed the missing people, amazing special effects, the grandiosity, there are so many things I do love about this movie.  I love Showgirls too for different reasons.

    • joything

      There was a photo from the sea bed that absolutely tore me up – it was a pair of men’s shoes, that had obviously stayed put while the body rotted/was eaten and washed away.  You could imagine the body lying there face down on the sea floor — just from that pair of shoes.

      This wasn’t in the movie, but in the volumes of print pics that came out around the time of the movie.

  • After watching the 3D previews for this one, I suggest renting it to watch in non-3D. It is definitely worth seeing once but it looked creepy in 3D.  The best part is the beginning with the divers exploring the wreck.
    C’mon, Lorenzo, you’ve seen Sound of Music, right? This has better clothes.

  • alyce1213

    Go Lorenzo!
    I’ve never seen Titanic, never will, and certainly not in 3D.  James Cameron is shkeevy and he already has enough money.  Also Billy Zane makes me physically ill, so I just can’t.I’ve never seen Showgirls either (thankfully, I was warned how thoroughly offensive it was).Now, on to Kate Winslet: She looks fantastic. I have no problem with her cleavage, which is tastefully sexy, just right, and needs no improvement.  The hair is bit aging, but elegant.  She’s always had a slightly “older” vibe than her real age (36!) — she just has that mature type of face.  OK, so the maybe sleeves are pulling a little, especially in the hand-on-hip pose, but they’re better with straight arms.Overall, very very nice, Kate.

  • wisenhar

    I have never seen all of it, but I’ve seen some parts of it.  IMHO it’s not worth the time investment which is why I’ve never tried to catch the parts I’ve missed.  That said, I’m also not a big movie watcher.

  • benjamin478

    i’ve never seen titanic either

  • ringthing

    The special effects that were groundbreaking when it was released look clunky and fake now, and the acting isn’t anything to write home about but the costumes are wonderful, Kate is gorgeous and Leonardo is pretty adorable. Oh, and the attention to period detail in recreating the ship’s interiors is pretty great, too. Just ignore the plot and enjoy the spectacle. 

  • KateShouldBeWorking

    I recently watched it on TV while I was packing to move (read: half in the bag and not really paying attention). In that milieu, it was totally fine.

  • My husband has never seen it either. I think Lorenzo should stand firm in not watching it. After all the parodies and spoofs, it’ll just feel hollow anyway.

  • Kate looks pretty here, by the way. 

  • I have never seen it either.  It’s on my list of “Will Never Sees.”

  • VicksieDo

    This is surely a WERQ from me, she looks fantastic!

    And yes, you must see Titanic.  I saw it in the theater and it scared me to death, when the ship goes straight down and they’re just waiting to go under, it’s terrifying.  SHIVER.  I didn’t mind the acting either…

  • Warmheartedgirl Seattle

    I love that movie.  I know it is schmaltzy, but young Kate and Leo just make me happy.  Love the present day scenes, love the music, and LOVE the costumes.  Lo, you HAVE to see this movie, if only for the costumes.   


    Tell him it’s a great movie – Jack dies!

  • gsk241

    The movie is crap.  Save your money.  Kate, on the other hand, looks pretty great here.

  • Annie Leung

    See it, I saw it when I was 10 with my mother and sister and my mother threw her coat over my head when it came to the “drawing” scene. It’s an experience even if you don’t care that much about that ol’ boat. Watch the Julian Fellowes series that’s coming out too.

    But I agree with everyone else, if nothing else, watch it for the clothes. I still want a hat like the one Kate Winslet wears in the first scene you see her.

  • els8383

    I’m planning on seeing it again in 3D just for nostalgia’s sake (I was the target demographic when it first came out, and it was a BFD among me and my 13-year-old friends).

    This time, however, I will have wine.

  • MissMariRose

    Did you like Bewitched, Lorenzo? If so, Bernard Fox (Dr. Bombay) is in this movie. If not, don’t bother. It ain’t all that. 

  • mjude

    i too loved the movie and a fan of leo & kate.  costumes to die for.  go ahead Lo, it wont bite.

  • Warmheartedgirl Seattle

    Now as for Kate above, love the entire look, particularly the hair and the jewels, which are drool worthy.

  • Lesa Tanner

    My friend and I went to see it to laugh at it, but found ourselves sucked in and sobbing by the end. Go see it.

  • Scott Isaacs

    Cannot watch Titanic again. Ever.

    But on to what really concerns me. Kate: WERQ that dress! Haven’t seen someone look this good on the RC in heaven knows how long.

  • Oh, go on, see it! [Though I agree with the suggestions to skip the 3D version and rent the original. Even the best of the 3D effects I’ve seen tend to distract from the story (“Ooh, look at the flames/wreckage/whatever coming right into my face!”) rather than enhance it.] 

    I admit that I’ve been fascinated by the Titanic story since I first read Lord’s Night to Remember (or was it when I saw the 1953 “Titanic” film, with Barbara Stanwyck and Clifton Webb as the fictional lovers). When this film came out I was considerably more interested in the parts dealing with the ship itself and the real-life passengers than in the made-up-for-the-movie romantic couple. Clearly, others’ mileage varies on that point, but there’s plenty of footage of the ship and the famous-names in addition to the added-for-drama stuff, and I enjoyed it. [Well, most of it; there was way too much running-through-flooded-corridors near the end. Fast-forward through all that and you’ll knock half an hour off of the running time.]

    I enjoyed the modern-day search-the-wreck parts, and any scene with Gloria Stuart in it is worth the price of admission. [She gets the best lines, too.]  And I liked the music, yea even unto Celene Dion’s “love theme from Titanic which will go on and on and on…”.  And there are plenty of bits to scoff at, too, which can be the best part of a joint movie-watching evening. So dress for first-class dining at the captain’s table, with plenty of champagne, and enjoy the disaster!


    • BarniClaw

      I saw it for the same reasons! (And really didn’t care about the love story.) I’m looking forward to see what Julian Fellows does in his Titanic on April 14th! It’s been on my calendar for months. Have any of the UBFs seen it illegally? 

    • another_laura

      Oh my gosh, you made me remember something – the year that came out I went on a vacation with a group that reserved space at a table that was doing a recreation of the last meal on the Titanic.  We all dressed up as far as we could, and had an AMAZING meal, 9 or 10 courses with the cheese.  Got up for an hour break in the middle so that they could reset the table.  So delicious, what a (ahem) night to remember!

  • I deeply wish I could trade places with Lorenzo — I’d love to have those hours of my life back.  It was easily the second worst movie I’ve ever seen (because nothing is as bad as Lost in Translation). 

  • nannypoo

    I didn’t see it either. Sometimes there’s so much publicity and so many trailers that you feel like you’ve already seen it and don’t need to actually go to the theater. She looks beautiful here except for the hair, which would have been in style at the time of the actual sinking of the Titanic.

  • Lerae Kroon

    I’ve never seen it, either. It’s a point of pride. 

    • sagecreek

      Same here. We need tshirts.

  • elleg929

    Don’t do it Lorenzo.  You will never get those hours of your life back.

  • Team Lorenzo.  Unless someone makes a good argument that Titanic somehow reaches the high camp genius of Showgirls I’m sticking to my guns here.

  • jw_ny

    The best part of the movie is the scenery, special effects and costuming.  Leo was completely miscast, but I loved Kate, Kathy Bates, Billy Zane and Frances Fisher…all fab.  Too bad the love affair and necklace story lines were so unbelievable/contrived.  I enjoyed it though and think it should be seen…even if it’s not typically your thing.  You should be able to find something in it that you’ll appreciate.

  • At least watch for the props/set and costumes! (Fast Forward all the rest). Then you, my Queenly Uncles can blog the fashion! 

  • MilaXX

    Regarding Kate. I like this dress with the shoes, even if they are platforms, don’t mind the sleeves and wish the neckline either plunged slightly lower or was a different shape altogether. Hair and makeup are very pretty.

  • Daniel Hoerner

    I’m on Team Lorenzo — I’ve never seen it either, nor do I have any real desire :-X

  • I can’t believe you didn’t see that movie. I thought everyone saw it. I even got my husband to go with me. The only thing I remember about that was that he told me he would only go with me if I didn’t have anything to drink at the theatre and I had to pee before the movie started. Good call. There was a lot of rushing water. When we walked out of the theatre, the line to the ladies room was almost to the theatre door. I guess that pretty much tells you about the movie if that is the first thing that comes to mind when I think about seeing it. 

  • I was 16 when it came out and I could. Not. Stand. It. But: it’s a cultural benchmark and you should see it because everyone is pretty and also Kathy Bates is there.

  • I saw it when I was in junior high and I got so bored in the middle that I tried to play with my digital pet while inside the theater. 

  • i’m jealous of the 3+ hours L has in his life from not watching that crap.  the boat sank, leo died and at one point you saw kate’s boobies.  o, and celine’s dreadful song basically plays through the whole movie.  i’d rather re-watch showgirls than titanic…

  • carolynmo

    Don’t do it, Lorenzo! Run fast, run far.

  • vanjar

    They could rename it “Drownton Abbey”. Pet peeve: Rose should have scooted over, because there was plenty of space on that piece of wood for the both of them.

  • mellbell

    A random reason to see it: Afghans loved Titanic and risked the wrath of the Taliban (which, of course, considered the movie — along with pretty much all Western culture — decadent and unfit for Muslim eyes) to smuggle in pirated copies and organize secret screenings. (The whole episode is a minor plot point in Khaled Hosseini’s wonderful novel A Thousand Splendid Suns.) It’s got universal appeal!

  • Cheri Lee

    I am by no means a huge Titanic fan but I think it’s one of those movies that everyone should at least see once. The special effects are pretty amazing, John Cameron is well known for that. Not that its a good movie with a huge hit song, but Tom is right in that you are missing out on the conversation of whether or not it is worth seeing. I have had so many conversations about this movies with friends that have LOVED it and I was all like “meh its alright” but I totally cried like a baby at the end. My one friend is so excited for the re-release just to see Winslet boobies.

  • Whimsique

    I confess, Titanic is my favorite movie EVER. Seriously. I watch it at least once a year. And the clothes are freaking to die for.

  • sherrietee

    I successfully avoided it in the theaters the first time around.  Sort of half-watched it when a friend had it on DVD.  I see no reason to waste my money on it in the theater the second time around.  Especially in 3D, which seriously nauseates me and gives me headaches.

  • kat89

    Sorry Tom, that’s 3 wasted hours of my life that I will never get back. Lorenzo, ignorance is bliss. Really. If you must watch it, just keep fast forwarding through to the action parts. It really didn’t live up to the hype.

  • Mildred20

    I saw it because everyone else raved about it.  It wasn’t as bad as I was expecting, but certainly not great.

    Lo, I suggest you rent the dvd and fastforward through most of it.  It only gets exciting when ship meets iceberg in what, the last 45 minutes?

  • saanrio

    I would say see it, if nothing else because then you can have fun mocking it with the rest of us.  I mean… I sat through Napoleon Dynamite just for the lulz of mocking it afterward, and if I can do that, anyone can sit through Titanic. 

  • Synnamin

    I love this movie, but I’m also a sucker for costume films. It’s shiny!

  • sarahofalessergod

    It’s cheesy as hell, and Cameron cannot write dialogue to save his life, but I love that movie so much.  I was 16 when it was released, did not want to see it, got dragged into seeing it by my 12-year-old sister, and I was bawling by the end.  The dresses are gorgeous, Kate is gorgeous, and I will indeed be seeing it in 3D.  No, it’s not Citizen Kane.  But why does it need to be?

  • Uhm, hello, this movie is about Celine…that’s the reason you go see it.   And the Unsinkable Kathy Bates….i mean, Molly Brown.

  • another_laura

    Not saying anything new, but really, Lo, you have to see it.  The gods forbid you have to listen to the dialogue, but the visuals are quite something.  Art direction, costumes, the ship.  I remember seeing it and continually thinking ‘how did they do that?’ ‘how did they get that shot’?  I hope that you will remember the visuals and some of the sound effects, but forget the dialogue because that script, wow, it stunk up the place.

  • Oh my goodness, you have to see it. It is absolutely one of those movies that in 20 years people will be dismayed to hear you never saw. And it has nothing to do with the quality of the movie.

    • Scarlet39

      I get a dismayed reaction when I tell people I’ve never seen Pretty Woman!

      • That’s even worse! Pretty Woman is such a fun movie, definitely worth a watch.

        • ZnSD

           lol yes, because prostitution and drug addiction are SO FUN! lol 😉

          • sagecreek

            Drug addiction? Where was the drug addiction in Pretty Woman?

          • ZnSD

             …ok, so apparently you weren’t paying attention to the movie? Kit spends all of their rent money ON DRUGS. Ring a bell? Yeah. Not such a “fun” movie, nor does it have a positive message.

  • lifetime_student

    Okay first, hate the sleeves. Everything else is so-so. With that out of the way, I think Lo should see Titanic for two reasons. One-the costumes are wonderful. And two-so TLo can give it the Musical Monday treatment. I LOVED that feature and while Titanic is not a musical, it is begging for a TLo dissection.

  • julnyes

    I haven’t watched it either – STAND STRONG LORENZO!

  • Sunshine16

    Lo must submit & watch it.  If only for the wonderful, beaded dresses!

  • I have never seen “E.T.”, nor do I ever intend to, and I have a BA is in Film and Television Studies, so it’s not as if I don’t care about the cultural implications and relevance of popular film. I don’t enjoy Spielberg’s more sentimental films, I’ve seen clips of what an adorable little muffin Drew Barrymore was in it and so I don’t see any reason to ever watch the thing. 

    “Titanic” really isn’t all that and a bag of chips – In my opinion, Lorenzo doesn’t need to see anything he doesn’t feel like it!

  • librarygrrl64

    Writing: meh. Sexual chemistry, non-existent. Special effects in the second half: pretty cool. Costumes: to die for.

  • Anathema_Device

    Well, I’ve only seen bits when it has been on cable. I was sick of it before it came out, so I think I’m Team Lorenzo on this one.

    Whew. This makes up for being Team Tom on the Lana del Rey thing.

    • Anathema_Device

       Oh, and that is the least pretty Jenny Packham dress I have ever seen. On the other hand, it is better than the sausage casings Winslet was favoring for a while there.

  • UN-watchable, although the costumes were fab.  Fast forward thru it just to look at some of the clothes!

  • Fast forward to the part when they “go back to Titanic” and stop once they hit the iceberg.  That’s all you really need to see.  The costumes are worth it.

    • Oh god. I’d completely forgotten about the present day part that framed the story. Yeah, that part was useless.

  • Miss_Led

    Terrrrrrrible movie; avoid it at all costs! Any “conversation” is, “Wow, didn’t that suck?” “Yeah.”

  • AngelaGreen

    Lorenzo, darling, you have to watch it.  Winslet is wonderful in it even though the movie is dreck, and there are actually some really nice moments with the orchestra.  It’s a lovely movie to look at, and it’s fun to make fun of.  Make a drinking game out of it if you need to.  The boys are pretty, the girl is pretty, and you’ve got Victor Garber to boot.  Waste an afternoon on it, sweetheart.

  • PeggyOC

    Nope, I didn’t see it either.  Not whole.  I’ve seen scenes if it happened to be on in the background at someone’s house.  From what I can tell, Lorenzo, you didn’t miss much.

  • Isana Leshchinskaya

    lorenzo, you my man. cameron is a digital engineer who makes films solely to finance his technological research. F*** avatar, titanic, etc. he knows what buttons to press to attract the lowest common denominator of an audience so he can play around with some toys. there. my film studies education has not gone to waste.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      Good summation of Cameron’s body of work.He’s said that he made “Titanic” as an excuse to do the research on the wreck and to dive on it. 

  • Lorenzo, I’m with you.  Haven’t seen it.  Not really interested.  Oh, I’ll go see popular movies, but this one just did not draw me in.  I have watched the trailers so I feel like I’ve seen the movie.

  • raceycarr

    these fawns are idiots. this movie rules. you just need to relax and lean into it.

  • I haven’t seen it. 
    I’ve stood in long lines to see things like The Piano, but this one never got me excited enough to even watch it when it was on TV.

  • If it ever becomes important to have an in depth debate about why the Oscars should be treated with the same dismissive attitude felt my Marlon Brando and Woody Allen then by all means spend almost 3 hours viewing this pile of computer generated goo and try to figure out why it took home so many statues.  And line James Cameron’s pockets more dough, because God knows he isn’t rich enough yet and it’s important to reward mediocre “art” so we keep getting more of it.

  • Andrea Gates Sanford

    I spent those wasted hours of my life begging them all to die. Save your time and money. Take pride in never seeing it. We’ve all got one of those… mine is Thelma and Louise. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I know it’s all that and more. But no, I’ve never seen it… and at this point I’m proud of my cultural ignorance and wear it as a badge of honor.

  • ZnSD

    ugh. don’t drink that kool-aid Lo. It’s SO annoying. Really. Want to watch a classic? Go watch Rebecca.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      OMG, yes! “Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again…” Larry Olivier, Joan Fontaine, shy as a fawn, and Judith Anderson scaring the sh*t out of you as Mrs. Danvers…add in a particularly oily George Sanders, and that’s a classic!

  • Don’t like that dress on her. Too matronly.

    As for Titanic. SEE IT. The romance stuff is blah (gag) but the set design and seeing the ship sink and the emotional choices each character has to make as it happens. It’s epic! Or maybe I just like seeing a giant ship break in half.

  • shopgirl716

    It’s all right.  I had to watch it so I could understand all of the King of the World references.  As the mother of two boys, I’ve sat through much worse films.  Gnomeo and Juliet, all three Transformers movies, Green Hornet and Green Lantern were all so, so, so much worse.  Trust me on this one.

    • Kate4queen

      3 boys here-I think the pokemon movies were the worst… LOL

      • shopgirl716

        Never had to sit through those in a theater, we had them on video.  Tooth Fairy was also really, really painful.

  • Jana33

    While not nearly as rewarding as Showgirls, Titanic can be enjoyed for the sheer joy of Billy Zane’s scenery chewing.

  • Kate is still rocking her Mildred Pierce vibe! I like Titanic because Eric Braeden was in it. Tell Lorenzo about Billy Zane twirling his mustachioes because he’s so eevvil, that oughta merit a glance.

  • NC_Meg

    “Leo DiCaprio was the cutest thing since Devon Sawa…”

    You just nailed my two tween crushes. Well, and JTT. But Devon Sawa was my favorite. So freakin cute.

  • marilyn

    That outfit is very dowdy and matronly.  No one is old enough to wear it.  It reminds me of 1960-style dowdy.

  • I’ve never seen it either, but I’m surprised that so many other bitter kittens haven’t.  The only reason I can think of for Lorenzo to watch it, is so that he and Tom can review it on here and give it the “Musical Mondays” treatment.  I’d send the money for the tickets if they’d do that!

    • Violina23

      I second that, I would LOVE a snarky TLo review!

    • formerlyAnon

      Jesus, you open new vistas before me. I’d probably have to watch it if they gave it the MM treatment. At least up till the point where everyone’s imminently and endlessly drowning.

  • CQAussie

    Oh for Pete’s sake (and Rose and Jack’s! See what I did there??!) Lo!!  You must watch it.  I mean, seriously, SHOWGIRLS was awful.  Titanic, in comparison, was only “bad” or “crap”.  Yes, Kate Winslet looks like she’s dating a 12 year old in Leo DiCaprio but it wasn’t completely terrible.  Ok fine, the love scene at one point made me die a little bit inside (and not in a good way) plus Leo freezing to death was kinda lame too (they couldn’t BOTH fit on that thing?  Or maybe take turns?  Geez)

    But you know…..all the crap bits aside…..there were some great fashion to look at, fabulous hats and well, SOME form of OK social commentary.  I know this is a tepid endorsement at best but seriously Tom put it best – If you can sit thru fucking Showgirls, you can watch Titanic.  Showgirls was absolute piss.  

  • sagecreek

    I have never seen it, by design.

  • fringebenefit

    Haven’t seen it and don’t plan to…and not having seen it has never proven to be a barrier of any kind in social situations.

  • ballerinawithagun

    I went as a family “outing” would never have gone otherwise. Don’t bother.
    Beautiful dress but the sleeves are a horrible fit for her arms.

  • cheesebomb

    I saw it on my first date. The most memorable part about it was my date laughing as people fell into the water.


  • sunflwrmoonbeam

    I was 13 when it came out, so some part of me will always love it. That said, it really has the most cliche plot in the world. The only truly good part of it is watching the boat sink. 

  • Stephen Bornstein

    He boards the ship(Titanic)…he’s king of the world…he drowns, thats the highlights…nothing left to see. Don’t go.

  • EKW2

    NO. A thousand times NO. 
    It’s not bad enough the ship is sinking, they had to add a deadly chase scene through the freezing water. Ridiculous. 
    And the uber cheesy nude scene – as if!
    If you hate the song, you’ll hate the movie.

  • MinasAunt

    I am a historian and I have never seen it, will never see it, and don’t understand the fascination with the Titanic (movie or ship).  It  was a tragic accident–it doesn’t mean much in the scheme of mankind’s evolution.  Be fascinated by the sinking of the Lusitania–which indirectly led to the U.S. being involved in World War I, etc.  

  • Amy Ellinger

    I’ve never seen it either. And I’m perfectly at peace with that. Stayed away from Avatar, too.

  • Stay pure, Lorenzo.  

  • Love this dress except for the length. 

    Re: Titanic –  Billy Zane. Nuff said. 

  • Kate4queen

    I haven’t seen it either and I don’t intend to. I don’t like sad endings. 🙂

  • Isy

    I saw it as a teen. Don’t watch it. I kind of feel you have to be 13 in the 90s to appreciate it. Any other age in any other time and it loses all value. Plus, it’s by James Cameron, which equates to automatic dreck. 

  • I’ve never seen The Shining! And I’m a film student! Stay strong, if only on principle. haha It’s a good funfact ’bout yo’self!

  • My mother talked me into seeing Forrest Gump for the SAME reason, that I wasn’t going to figure out what the box of f’ing chocolates meant or whatever, and I regret seeing it. Stand firm, Lorenzo.

  • lalagigi

    “Get in da boat, Rose!” 
    I not only saw in the theater, but have two teenager girls who went though a Titanic OBSESSION and watched it at least 10-12 times. We live near the Titanic museum in Pigeon forge and yes, I’ve been forced to experience that horrible, commercialized money hole as well….

  • Lilithcat

    Stick to your guns, Lorenzo!  I never saw it, either, and have no plans to do so.

  • Natalie Marshall

    Even though I loathe romance movies and find the romantic storyline trite and barf-worthy, Titanic is worth watching at least once for the magnificent set and background detail. Every scene is filled with the stuff and people and outfits that you would have seen on the real Titanic, and Cameron includes a lot of nods to actual recorded events that took place on board. As a historical Titanic junkie, I watch it for that and ignore everything else.

  • Natalie Marshall

    Even though I loathe romance movies and find the romantic storyline trite and barf-worthy, Titanic is worth watching at least once for the magnificent set and background detail. Every scene is filled with the stuff and people and outfits that you would have seen on the real Titanic, and Cameron includes a lot of nods to actual recorded events that took place on board. As a historical Titanic junkie, I watch it for that and ignore everything else.

  • Lorenzo, I have not seen it either, and still have absolutely no urge to. Solidarity!

  • Lorenzo, I have not seen it either, and still have absolutely no urge to. Solidarity!

  • Just watch it while drinking and every once in a while have Tom say, at inopportune moments, “Argh! She’s going down!” 

  • I’ve never seen it and the fact that you two have been together so long without it coming up is proof that it’s not that big a deal.

  • twocee

    I was a teenager, so I loved it.  Saw it twice in the theater in fact.

    Now, I would probably hate it.  Although I saw an interview with Kate last night on Nightline and decided that 1 – she is utterly fabulous, and 2 – I might just want to see it again.  It’s been nearly 15 years.

  • I’ve seen it a grand total of one time and aside from the historical fact that so many people lost their lives in this tragedy, I do not care.

  • I went and saw it with my parents and brother and sister (even though I was fully grown when it came out–I can’t recall why this occurred).  I was so bored, I went and sat out in the lobby for about 30 minutes (and missed Kate being naked).  I got back to my seat, sat for a while, and my mom leaned over and whispered that the movie was taking longer than it took the actual ship to sink.  All of this to say, stay strong Lo, and DO NOT see that movie.  It’s a point of pride now, right?

  • I used to sing on cruise ships and ironically, this was the movie they had playing in every stateroom. It’s just one of those movies that you kind of have to watch. It’s pretty lame and cheezy, but still very enjoyable.

    • Lilithcat

      I used to sing on cruise ships and ironically, this was the movie they had playing in every stateroom. 

      Costa Cruise Lines?

  • Casey at BradsDeals

    Here is all you need to know, Lorenzo: the costuming is beautiful.

  • its good to watch up until the boat sinking and people dying.  billy zane and leo are adorable in it.

  • I’m on Team Lo for this one. I never saw Titanic and I never plan to. What’s the point? It’s Romeo and Juliet on a boat and they all die. The end! <— See that? I just saved you the price of a movie ticket.

    The dress… those shoulder pad thingies are just weird.

  • Strunkette

    I saw it twice…in the theater! It was fantastic at the time, but then again I was a teenager.  

  • I have been fascinated w/ the Titanic since I was a small child so the love story was sort of an annoying intrusion into the legend.  I really enjoyed the sets which recreated the grandness of the ship in all her glory and the costumes and yes, even the special effects.   I watched the movie to be taken back in time, not to nitpick it apart.  I say you watch it together & if you aren’t teary-eyed by the time Celine winds it up, I’ll be surprised.

  • Knightley

    It’s ok, Lorenzo.  That’s one movie I REFUSE to see.  So yeah, add me to the list of “Never seen Titanic.”

  • rkdgal

    See it for a young, yummy Ioan Gruffudd, if nothing else! (He’s the one who pulls Rose out of the water.)  C’mon, the sinking scene is pretty great, and would be fantastic in 3-D…and considering that you’ve already sat through countless hours of crap TV (The Killing after ep. 3?), why not go out and enjoy a highly polished turd at the movies?  Young Ioan.  Worth it.

  • raininmai

    I confess I saw it in the theater 3 times; I couldn’t get enough.  I was post-partum at the time, so it must have been the hormones at work.  When that baby was old enough to watch it on VHS, she practically wore the tape out she watched it so often, so like mother, like daughter. They filmed the movie nearby, just south of the border in Baja, so there was a lot of anticipation locally.  I no longer know why I liked it so much at the time, but I still think Lorenzo should see it because of the iconic scenes, and because of the glorious fashions and the exquisite attention to detail in the set design. And for the same reason that everyone should see Gone With the Wind, and Casablanca, for cultural reasons, the low kind. 😉

  • As someone who has watched both Showgirls and Titanic numeous times, I can definitely attest to the fact that you are missing out! It’s like Anything Goes with a more tragic ending. If anything, pour a few drinks and take one every time you hear the movie’s theme music, the movie shifts from the past to the present (or you hear old Rose’s voiceover), whenever you hear someone make a blatant remark about Jack being lower class, and whenever you see someone drown. Good times to be had by all!

  • miagain

    It’s wretched… a movie like that always makes me so mad.  When there were such extraordinary men and women lost and saved on that ship, they have to contrive some ridiculous love story, and jewel heist to entertain us.  Jeeez… it makes my teeth hurt!!
    “A Night to Remember” is a far more compelling retelling.

  • I’ve seen it and I hated it. I think Lorenzo should watch something else instead of wasting his time on this film.

  • Uncle Lo, you **have** to see it! I didn’t even like it that much (I have a fervent, irrational hatred of Leonardo DiCaprio), but I’ve still seen it countless times. It’s… entertaining. Plus, the special effects were amazing, for their time.

  • I haven’t seen it either, and don’t feel as if I’m out of touch. Watch Heavenly Creatures or Sense and Sensibility instead.

    • Lisa

      Oh, god, “S&S” is one of my FAVORITES!  

    • joything

      MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm … Heavenly Creatures … Kate W’s breakout film … I fell in love with her upper arms.  So plush and womanly, what you never see on American actresses.

  • PhillipWilde

    Lorenzo, everyone should see Titanic.  I don’t think I’ll dish out the dough to see it in 3D, especially since conversions from 2D to 3D usually look awful.  But at least rent the DVD.

  • formerlyAnon

    Twice today I’ve been with Lorenzo. Check for a lunar eclipse.

    I’ve never sat through the whole movie. It didn’t appeal madly when it was in the first in the theaters and somehow even my interest in the costuming hasn’t led me to ever see more than 20 minutes of it since. Didn’t help that Leonardo Di Caprio does nothing for me and I HATED that song. Also, I was over Celine Dion completely, at that point. And that I had recurring drowning nightmares as a child.

  • Judih1

    the costumes and special effects make it worth watching and I am also a Kate Winslet fan. Tell Lorenzo that watching this movie is a hell of a lot easier the looking through all the photos you sift through at the year to create your Top 10 worst looks list.

    the movie is a tad long, so watch it while multi-tasking

  • Violina23

    The dialog is cringe-worthy, and the story is cliched, but inoffensive.  But you’ll appreciate the attention to detail for the “period” nature of it, and once the actual iceberg hits, it is very poignant and affecting in terms of the depiction of the horror of the whole thing. People wouldn’t have been so hard on it if it didn’t turn into a blockbuster based entirely on the Leonardo DiCaprio tween obsession. 

    I recommend seeing it with an open mind, and not taking the “romantic” dialog too seriously.

    • Lisa

      Yes!  This, 100%.

  • ellabob

    Hated the film….boring boring boring… self indulgent director… I love Leo and Kate.. but not in that film.

  • Mefein

    The recreation of the ship and the special effects, great.  Clothes, great.  Story, dreadful.  Yet I still would have rather seen Kate win the academy award over Helen Hunt that year.  Emoting while slogging through freezing cold water and wielding an ax ought to get you something!

  • msdamselfly

    Never saw it either, Lo

  • drdirection

    I never saw Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which makes me an anomoly of my generation.  You’ll survive, unlike Kate and Leo.

  • Costumes.  Go.

  • sleepycat

    Never saw it and i think i did I would be in tears sobbing knowing so many people died in the crash with Celine Dion singing that annoying song. Just  watching the trailer makes me said.

  • umeboshi

    the conversation between you two cracked me the hell up.

  • I was a 17-year-old punk rock girl when this movie came out.  I got guilted into going to see it with my sister for her birthday.  Ick. ICKICKICKICKICK. No Bueno.

    You should skip it so you can dedicate the three hours (plus change) to the new Mad Style post!  I need you to talk about Skinny Harry Crane trying to wear that fur coat!

  • The movie is horrible… It seems like ir took longer for the boat to freaking sink in the movie than it did in real life- PLUS is fetishizes the way 

  • CarolinLA

    Watch it with the sound off.  The cinematography of the ship in all its glory, the costumes, and the sinking of the ship are really cinematic feats.  It’s kind of like Saving Private Ryan – the battle scenes at the beginning and at the end are unparalleled but the schlock in the middle can be skipped.

  • Rrroza

    It’s a fine *visual* spectacle in an actual theater. Not worth seeing otherewise.

  • Little_Olive

    No Lorenzo, you should stick to your gut. This is the movie I use as proof that Oscars don’t really mean much. 

  • mrspeel2

    Dear Lorenzo,

    As you can see from the comments here so far, people either love Titanic, or they hate it, but Lorenzo, even if you think you won’t be enamored with the storyline it will still be a worthwhile experience for at least two reasons:

    1. You’ll have over 3 hours to ogle the fabulous fashions!! Mostly the womens’, but the men look quite dapper in their best bib and tuckers too! When Rose gets out of the hanscom at the dock, and her face is obscured by the very wide brim of her hat, it just about takes one’s breath away when she lifts her head and you finally get to see how beautiful she is. (As a side note, when I went to see it the 1st time, I had no idea who Kate Winslet was, so maybe I over-reacted a wee bit.)

    2. You will also be transported back in time, almost as though you are actually there when you see the sets for the interiors of Titanic. Granted, most of them are probably computer generated, but if you can put that out of your mind, you’ll be wowed by them. They are executed to look exactly as they originally did because James Cameron insisted that every part of the ship be authentic in detail. I spent most of my time perusing all the details of each set and failed to even keep up with the story until I saw it a 2nd time.

    I went to see Titanic 4 times just to take in the magnificence of the production and soon I’ll be seeing it in 3D! That alone will make it worth the price of the ticket. You should go Lorenzo!

    • Lilithcat

        people either love Titanic, or they hate it,

      You forgot the majority of us.  Those who don’t care one way or the other, and have better things to do with our time than watch a movie just because some people we don’t know and whose opinions don’t matter to us claim that it’s “culturally relevant”.

      • mrspeel2

        I was explaining to Lorenzo that there are a couple of good reasons he should heed Tom’s urging and go see the movie. I certainly wouldn’t tell anyone they should go see it because it’s “culturally relevant” because I don’t believe it is in any way, shape or form. As to the “majority” of you that “don’t care one way or the other” about seeing Titanic, I didn’t see any posts until yours that expressed that opinion. 

  • Nonnah

    Never saw it!  And I don’t find myself looking for keys, checking locks repeatedly, or going over lists thinking “I must be missing something.”  Only to realize later “I didn’t see Titanic.”   Watch a documentary if you need details. 

  • carolie_king

    Took me about 5 years to see it.  Husband still hasn’t.  I didn’t mind it, but it won’t make you laugh like Showgirls.

    • Lisa

      Not many films are funnier than Showgirls!

  • Lisa

    First of all, to Miss Kate – you fucking FIERCE glamazon, I love it!

    Lorenzo, lamb of mine, here’s what we should do.  I say WE, because I need to see “Titanic” with an open mind and a clear head, and that means seeing it for the THIRD time, but with none of the distractions of the first two times.  Behold the first two times:

    1.  Saw it back in ’97 for the first time in the theater, like everyone else in the world (well, everyone besides you!).  I saw it with my then-boyfriend, an ex I still refer to as “Satan”.  This is a guy who made out with two chicks right in front of me at a drunk New Year’s party, and then ultimately cheated on me with a stripper.  Anyway, as you can surmise, we had a huge fight right before we got to the theater, so I sat there, tense, angry and resentful during the most romantic movie of the decade.  It was really not a good time.

    2.  Saw it the second time in ’99 on video (not the way to see it – it really has to be on a big screen to appreciate the bigness of it all) at an all-girly party.  We sat around getting drunk on champagne and yelling rude things at the screen, a la “Mystery Science Theater 3000”.  It was a GREAT time, make no mistake – but again, not the way to ultimately see it.

    So – I’ve already given my current boyfriend the clear (a.k.a., “Don’t worry, sweetie, I won’t drag you to see it”), because viewing #3 really needs to be just me.  

    Anyhoo!  It’s not all sappy romance.  It really does have some awesome special effects from the time the boat starts sinking – the disaster itself is amazing up on a big screen!  So,here’s what we’ll do – you go see it, and I’ll go see it, and then we’ll all meet up here, and everyone can dish!  

    Plus, the part where the guy literally “BOINKS!” off of the propeller blade as the boat sinks is going to be mutherfukking fabulous in 3D!

  • RonHermione42

    Oh go watch it and then you can complain with the rest of us! Though, when it came out I had such a big crush on Leonardo DiCaprio….ugh I was so happy for so long after that. Of course… I was 10. Still WATCH IT!

  • YourBaloneyDontGotNoSecondName

    Titanic has the MOST FABULOUS HATS ever.  It’s a hat movie.  But it still can’t compare to Showgirls in all its awfulness, in all its brilliance, in the two dozen or so drinking games.  No drag queen will ever memorize the script of Titanic.  Every drag queen must memorize the script to Showgirls.  It’s a rule.  They teach it in Drag Queen Lit 101.

  • I’ve never seen it. I’ve also never seen Jurassic Park. I have, however, read more than one Amish romance novel, and they’re really boring and badly written, so I don’t know if my opinion is really valid.

  • Two words: Billy Zane.  (oh two more: Francis Fisher)

    • Lisa

      And Kathy Bates!

  • granddelusion

    He’s backwards for not having had seen it. Having said that, it may be too late to be seeing it for the first time. One if those movies that had to be experienced in its own time.

  • Daenyx

    The only thing culturally relevant about that movie is its production of a generation (my generation) of Leonardo DiCaprio fangirls.  Don’t bother.  

  • hgtnteach82

    Lorenzo…..you HAVE to at least watch the “hand smashing against the fogged-up car window” scene…tres fromage-alicious!

  • Kim N

    Who used to say “Hated It”? 

  • I haven’t seen it either, Lorenzo.  Stay strong!

  • jmw1122

    Y’know, not to knock anyone here but…I don’t get the point of being “proud” of not having seen a movie. It ain’t that hard to do.

    And while I was 15 when it came out and saw it three times, I was not a Leo fangirl. I’d been obsessed with the story of the Titanic for many years so I saw it to see the ship go down. The love story has some good moments but really? I didn’t care about it. The part that made me cry was the old couple in bed being surrounded by water and holding each other.

    • Ogden1990

      “the old couple in bed being surrounded by water and holding each other”   …. completely did me in.

      • Lisa

        That’s the only part that made me cry – I just couldn’t take watching the old couple.

    • turtleemily

      I was 12 when it came out and had also been obsessed with the Titanic; I think I read every survivor account published. I saw it three times in theaters and that was really just for the last hour the next two times.

  • elzatelzabelz

    God no. That movie is TERRIBLE. It takes ridiculously long to get to the point-spoiler- the boat sinks. Plus, nobody in their right mind would give up the lifeboat or the jewels. Hated it.

  • I’d rather watch showgirls.

  • Candigirl1968

    If you must see it, you can see Titanic on cable on a random Sunday afternoon.  It’s perfect to have in the background while doing bills, cleaning up the dreaded paper pile, or whatever task requires entertainment in the background that you don’t watch too closely.  

    If Tom convinces you to go to the theater and see the movie, I suspect that we won’t have a post for a while, because you will be in jail for killing him.

  • Jo Koster

    Lorenzo: Ioan Gryfudd. Young, hot, ripped. In a uniform. With a Welsh accent. Do the MST 3000 bit on the rest of the movie.

  • Thathoodwink

    Oh YES, sweetie…the only indication that that water was cold enough to accomodate an iceberg was Leo saying, “Brrrrr! This water is COLD!” THAT is pure cinematic genius!

  • See the movie, Lorenzo. Do it for your Tom. It will be romantic that you sacrificed 3 hours of your life for him. 

  • As a former 13 year old girl, I am beyond sorry for what we did to this movie. We overhyped it to unbelievable levels, thereby ruining it for many other people. And the movie wasn’t our only victim. DiCaprio had to take quite a few years to outgrow the hype and actually reestablish himself as a serious actor, and I think we killed Celine Dion’s career.
    But that doesn’t mean there’s not something there.
    The movie is one of the considerably few period epics in recent memory, which I think is reason enough to give it a chance, especially for old Hollywood fans.
    There’s something there for everyone, really, even if it might be a little less than the sum of it’s parts. Romance, Drama, Action, a little comedy, and Fucking. Gorgeous. Costumes. They probably put more thought into the sets, costumes, and background characters than the actual plot of the film, but the plot’s constructed in a way that they really get to show off that other good stuff.
    And a sidenote: As a visual effects nerd, I can definitely point to this movie as one of the reasons I got into the business. While it’s unfortunately very dated now (clearly in that time period before Lord of the Rings gave CG a big push forward), for the time, they did a lot of cool things with crowd CG and set extension.
    The story of the movie won’t change your life or anything, but it’s really worth seeing as kind of a landmark in film history.

    … and the costumes, dahling.

    • pokokpuding

       With you on the teen girl brigade, hon. Oh we have so much to say sorry for.

    • BigShamu

      Ali has a point.  Landmark in film history.  James Cameron spent 2 mil in a huge gamble.  Every single person who had even a minor grudge against Cameron was salivating for a Cleopatra or Heaven’s Gate type flop scenario when Titanic finally opened. Cameron can thank the epic number of young girls for saving his deep sea diving ass.

      I say watch it.  If only for the numerous vagina hats.

      • I was surprised, looking at the highest grossing movies, that Titanic’s one of the very, very few that wasn’t a sequel or based on a book or marketed to nerds. Kind of makes it that much more of an accomplishment, really.
        I’m still blown away when looking at some of the behind-the-scenes stuff on this one. I just don’t think you run into that level of “wow” much anymore.

        Well, that and the vagina hats. You’re right. Worth seeing for those. 🙂

  • It’s boring as fuck. My bi friend only likes it because that’s when she discovered she liked girls as well.

    But it’s self important and boring and badly acted.

  • Bad Lo, bad! Go watch, now!!

  • Actually Lo, on second thoughts you should watch it and tell us what happened to Earl Grantham’s heir.

  • greatscoutm

    I hated this movie BUT I do recommend seeing it as the sets and costumes are really extraordinary.  I agree that it would be best viewed on a Sunday while doing other “housekeepy” things (this way you won’t feel robbed of the three hours of your life).

  • S Spahn

    Hold your ground!  I’ve never seen it either.  We’re better off without it!

  • Sally Brownson

    I’ve seen it and it was stupid and cheesy. Don’t see it, Tom, you’re not missing out.

  • Gener1c

    It’s a horrible movie. Lo, stay home. And it feels like 5 hours. Maybe 12…

  • berkeleygirl

    Sorry, Showgirls is more fun.  What I mostly remember from Titanic?  The layers of makeup caked on Winslet’s face, making her look at least a decade older than di Caprio.

    Better still, put LA Confidential in the player – the movie that should have won Best Picture last year.  Far superior in every single way…

  • JasmineAM

    Titanic is only worth watching from the point when they hit the iceberg. Anything before that is cheesy, pointless, and boring. I would only go see it in 3D if I could watch it from that point on.

  • funkypeanut

    Congrats on the lifetime achievement award, Kate. It was touching when Lauren Bacall talked about how you took her under your wing before she met Bogie.

    When Titanic came out, I was living in Europe, and they showed the director’s cut there with an extra 40 minutes of complete boredom. People in the theater were yelling, “Sink already!” I went with T last time, so this time I’m going to side with Lo and say that he doesn’t want to be part of that particular conversation.

    Showgirls? Ouch.

    • bitchybitchybitchy

      An extra 40 minutes? I’m surprised the audience didn’t storm the manager and tear him/her limb from limb.

  • Lorenzo, there’s a scene of sweaty men shoveling coal in the bowels of the ship. Thats primo early 20th Century working man not knowing he’s in a Madonna video.

  • BrooklynBomber

    I can’t help. I didn’t see it.

  • snarkykitten

    I’d rather sit through Showgirls than Titanic. You’re not missing anything, Lorenzo!

  • AnaRoW

    I’ve seen it and while I didn’t think it was crap, I didn’t think it was great. I didn’t know much about the Titanic going in other than the fact that it wasn’t supposed to sink and it did. The parts that had to do with the ship’s sinking and were fascinating and horrifying. They could have left Kate and Leonardo’s characters on the cutting room floor as far as I was concerned.

  • BigWhiteGrannyPanties

    Here’s the thing.  Through the entire movie you can increase your hatred of James Cameron as he masturbates via film.  He can’t just stop going AT it in this movie.  It’s belabored.  It’s boring.  It’s tedious.  It only ends when he feels like ending it.  Because he wanted to play with his nifty new technology.   When I saw the original in the movie theater, all I could say to myself, after about 40 minutes was “sink the ship! just sink the fucking ship!”  If you haven’t had the excruciating pleasure of seeing that movie “Avatar” then you will note that Cameron also makes the move about 45 minutes too long so he can show us all of his nifty 3-D colors.  I HATE James Cameron for these indulgences at my viewing expense.  So, get a drink, watch the stupid thing, so that you too can join the Haters Club.  Also so you can say things like “I’m the King of the World” while standing on the edge of anything such as a building, a boat, a small raft, on a tree etc.  Good luck.  

  • plinkiedoodle

    I’d rather iron my underwear than watch that STOOPIT movie again.  Enjoy your virginity and innocence, Lorenzo!

  • quiltrx

    Come on, Lorenzo, you HAVE to watch it.  If nothing else, to ooh and aah at Kate’s outfits and at Billy Zane (well, he gives ME the vapors, anyway).

    Plus, you’re missing out on a TON of snarky jokes you could have been making all this time!

  • I’ve never seen it and it’s become a point of honour with me. The thing is that you don’t need to sit through it to understand the cultural references that people still use, which is pretty much just the standing on the prow of the boat right? So I saved some money, and a couple hours of my life, but can still participate fully in the social discussion. Win win.

  • butter nut

    omg it’s such a horrible movie.  and not like good horrible, like showgirls.  i mean like boring tedious painful horribleness.  do not waste your time watching this horrible horrible movie.

  • glennethph

    Watch it for Kate and Leo.  That’s them without any of the bullshit that came later. And the costumes…

  • Sorry, Tom.  I’ve never seen it, either (nor am I likely to at this point…)

  • I’ve never seen it either. HOLD STRONG.

  • The story itself is cliché and contrived, but there are some very good moments during the sinking of the ship that say so much about human nature — how everyone reacts differently to death, such as the string quartet players who choose to stay on the ship, or the selfish rich man who tricks his way onto a lifeboat. Those are the scenes that make the movie.

    Also, Kate Winslet’s boobs.

    • BigShamu

      Here here Stacy.  Here’s to Kate’s boobs.

  • Roz

     All this hate for the Titanic! Such a treat–I don’t feel so alone anymore!

  • Just see it for the clothes. Winslet has some major outfits (plus hats) in it. 

  • jjfg

    Um, I never saw Titanic, and I don’t think I missed anything.  I don’t hate on it, I just think I got over the disaster drama as a movie genre when I was a mere kid in the 70’s and you had Poseidon whatever it was (the ship sank), Earthquake, and that rollercoaster one.  So, yeah, this ship sinks, too.  No explosions, no fights, no hot (in my opinion) guys – no point investing time in it.

    And say what you want about her makeup aging her – this is the first time in a while I haven’t though she looked twice her age.

    • Call me Bee

      Ah–The Poseidon Adventure and The Towering Inferno!  Two of the best disaster movies ever.  Titanic wishes it could be The Poseidon. 

      • Lisa

        YES!  The Poseidon Adventure was one of my favorites, as was The Towering Inferno.  Classic 70s disaster films, I adored them!

  • jjfg

    Um, I never saw Titanic, and I don’t think I missed anything.  I don’t hate on it, I just think I got over the disaster drama as a movie genre when I was a mere kid in the 70’s and you had Poseidon whatever it was (the ship sank), Earthquake, and that rollercoaster one.  So, yeah, this ship sinks, too.  No explosions, no fights, no hot (in my opinion) guys – no point investing time in it.

    And say what you want about her makeup aging her – this is the first time in a while I haven’t though she looked twice her age.

  • UsedtobeEP

    As I was watching previews before The Hunger Games with my niece, she said she had never seen it either. I told her if she could get past the terrible script that the effects were very good and the attention to detail was great. She just had to ignore pretty much every time the two main characters opened their mouths. 

  • turtleemily

    I loved the shit out of Titanic when it came out, but I was 12, so take that for what it’s worth. I find it distasteful that Cameron’s re-releasing it with shiny effects right before the 100th anniversary. (Unless profits are going to survivors’ families or something?)

  • juliamargaret

    No, Lo, don’t do it! I watched it once and it was agonizing. I so wish I could go back in time and not have seen it. 

  • Call me Bee

    Titanic is the perfect movie to watch while playing the Drinking Game.  Just take a swig of your preferred alcoholic beverage each time Kate says “Jack!” and you’ll be under the table half-way through. 
    But really–yes–I think Uncle Lo should see it if only for Kate’s beautful gowns and hats–and the special effects after they hit the iceberg. They are really spectacular.   You can fast forward through the rest of it. 
    (Oh–another fun game to to spot where the special effects people forgot to draw in the breath fog when the characters are in the cold North Atlantic ocean.  It comes and goes.) 

  • I actually love it (except for the horrible frame story), and not in the “so bad it’s good” way but in the same, very sincere way I love old-fashioned, cheese-filled, over-the-top, gorgeous movies like Ben Hur and Gone with the Wind. At the center are those two pretty, young, deeply sincere actors giving it their all, and it’s just a fun movie, stuffed with perfectly-rendered sets. For the sets and costumes alone, it’s worth seeing.

  • Jai Berg

    Never saw it and refuse to see it. However, a friend of mine maintains that some movies are “whappables”–if you haven’t seen them, you miss a lot of cultural references that refer to it. And thus you should see that movie or she’ll whap you. I personally think that while I love a good manufactured experience as much as the next person, if EVERYONE IN THE WORLD has the exact same experience, we might all get sucked into a hole whence individuality will never return. I think we’re already spiraling that toilet, so don’t watch the Titanic!

  • Sophie Collier

    I saw it because people convinced me I should.  It wasn’t awful but I’ve never felt the need to compel anyone else to see it.  

  • I saw this the weekend before I took my SAT. I was SO FREAKING BORED and couldn’t wait for the ship to go down. Best part of the movie was my history teacher re-enacting the Billy Zane parts and running going “The ship is sinking, but I’m going to wave my gun around!!”

    Also, I remember seeing the previews for this at the time the Costa Concordia sank and it left me feeling even more meh on the re-release than I already was.

  • No, you don’t need to see it. I’ve gotten through my entire adulthood without having to watch more than random scenes. And I’m one of the–slightly–fanatic romance novel readers.

  • I hated that movie, but I’d be mildly curious if the scene  sort of enjoyed–where everyone’s sliding down the deck when the ship is 90 degrees to the water–holds up. CGI ages quickly.

  • DONT GO!! I have never seen it, along with Avitar and most other blockbusters. I am a better person for that.

  • ASK26

    No need to try to convince Lorenzo of anything.   I did not see it and many friends never bothered with it. 

  • Lorenzo – you’ve got company…I’ve never seen Titanic either!
    And I’m totally satisfied with not being in on THAT conversation.
    Actually – you can be in on it if you know these words: I’M KING OF THE WORLD
    You don’t need more than that.
    You’re good.

  • Nelliebelle1197

    Was far too hip in 1997 to ever see something so commercial. Am far too pragmatic in  2012 too bother. Team Lo for the win

  • If you’re going to see it, Lo, then definitely see it in the theatre. Even the former 16-year-old inside of me will agree that this movie is flawed, but when I saw the trailer before “The Hunger Games,” it was breathtaking.

  • StelledelMare

    I’ve only seen the movie all the way through one time. I really don’t think you’re missing much, Lo. To me the movie didn’t get interesting until the ship actually starts to sink. 

  • My mother never saw the film in the theaters, so when a friend bought it on VHS(!), I borrowed it for her.  She watched the first tape of 2, stopped, and never watched the second.  Apparently, she was satisfied with the pretty clothes and set design, but had no desire to watch poor red-headed children drown.  

  • AC

    I absolutely hated the movie. However, I’m of the opinion that you can’t really tell someone how terrible something is unless you experienced it. So if I were you, Lo, I would see it just to tell people how terrible it really is. 😀

  • akprincess72

    Hold firm Uncle Lo!  I HATED it & may I mention it was my now EX-husband that made me watch it… Coincidence??? 

  • adnama79

    Utter crap, not even bad enough to enjoy for being awful.

    I guess you don’t get to moan and clutch your hair over how bad it is if you haven’t seen it, but hey, you’ve probably seen Avatar – same conversation, 15 years later.

  • Derek_anny

    Really, the only redeeming factors are the facts that Billy Zane is nice to look at, scrawny Leo isn’t bad either, and the scene where Rose goes up on pointe  was a nice little touch.  Have it on in the background someday.

  • I didn’t see it either and I view it as a point of pride.  STAY STRONG LORENZO!

  • Sara Leigh Merrey

    It goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Kinda like that horrible song Celine Dion sang and sang and sang and sang and sang.

  • craig_sara

    Never saw it, hope to never see it, and I have sat through Showgirls at least once (admittedly, it was most likely on at 2 in the morning and I was too tired to change the channel, ah the glamorous life of an insomniac).

  • DinahR

    OMG the ship sinks!?! 

    I’ve never seen it either but I actually want to but … apparently not that badly.  🙂  Someday when I’ve got an entire day to kill for an old movie about a ship that sinks. I hope the costumes are worth it.  

  • Emmyllou

    Hie thee hence! Get thee to the re-release! It’s in the same category as Gone With The Wind—bad but good; tacky but not; moving though you know better. Just let yourself go.

  • Daddy Lo, you must see it! If only because Kate looks amazing with red hair. It is, admittedly, super dramatic and silly at parts, but it’s worth a watch at least once.

  • It something you might want to watch just so people will shut up about you never having seen it.

  • Joanie Hunt

    Lorenzo, I haven’t seen the movie either. You’re fine. It’s okay to NOT see something just because everyone else has. It makes you special.

  • ccm800

    When that old dame makes that CREEPER noise and she flings…I had a laugh attack right there in the theater. Best part of the movie. PS there was plenty of room on that damn door bitch. 

    • AthenaJ

      LOL I know, really!! Like she couldn’t have scooched over just a bit and let poor freezing Jack up on her damn raft… probably getting revenge because she thought he made her look fat in his drawing 😛

  • sk8tfan

    It’s the 100 year anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic in two weeks. The articles about it will be relentless. Of course you should see the movie, if only to get all the jokes people will be making about it. The romance is ridiculous but the sinking itself is portrayed almost in real time and is surprisingly accurate in many respects. It’s worth watching just for the costumes and cinematography. And Kate Winslet has never been so beautiful.

  • Don’t do it, it’s a couple of hours of your life you will NEVER get back!

  • RzYoung

    Hmm, it does need to be seen just because it’s so awful – one of my favourite worst-bits is the constant AWFUL keyboard choir soundtrack running through the background all the time. It’s so bad, imagine spending that much on a movie and then not hiring an actual live choir for it!?! 

    Plus also the priceless and thoroughly accurate-to-the-period script: ‘So what are you, like, an artist or something?’ – it’s Titanic via My So Called Life

  • I never saw it either and never will on principal. But, not to ruin it, you know everyone dies right? And the ship? It sinks. Tragic. But true. 

  • Sarah Harris

    I’ve never seen it either.  I remember a very awkward dinner party back in the day where I was the only guest who not only hadn’t seen it but had no intention of doing so, and it was ALL anybody talked about ALL night.  Ah well.  The food was nice. 

  • Sarah Harris

    I’ve never seen it either.  I remember a very awkward dinner party back in the day where I was the only guest who not only hadn’t seen it but had no intention of doing so, and it was ALL anybody talked about ALL night.  Ah well.  The food was nice. 

  • See it if only to appreciate the “Draw me like one of your French girls” meme.

  • See it if only to appreciate the “Draw me like one of your French girls” meme.

  • Lorenzo you’re culturally backward and you are keeping your money from the pockets of needy billionaires. Shame on you!

  • Oh, Lorenzo,  I was just like you back in the day. I NEVER saw the film, never wanted to see it.  Then, one Saturday night, while staying in a hotel in northern Michigan, I was outvoted by my daughter and husband to watch Titanic.  And you know what, it was actually pretty good.  It actually lived up to the hype.  (Unlike that ET, which left me somewhat disapppointed!)

  • Anne Coburn

    Watch as part of both Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio’s backstory/movie choices/what they’re reacting against (i.e., sappy dreck.)

  • Nooooooo. Except. OK the costumes are really gorgeous. It’s good for the eye-candy, but you can pretty much stop watching once the iceberg hits. Or you could watch it on mute?

  • Haley Buchanan

    I was initially going to say that you should see it but, as I started to formulate my argument, I couldn’t come up with anything better than “pop culture phenomenon.”  In the 4 hours it takes you to watch Titanic, you could almost watch one each of Kate’s, Leo’s, and Cameron’s better movies.  So your time is probably better spent that way!

  • jennmarie19

    Buy tickets, go out to a lovely dinner, and come back in time for the last 30 minutes when the boat sinks. It’s the only part of the movie worth watching. Plus you still get to hear Celine wail her heart out over the credits!

  • Frenchie_M

    But how about Kate W. in full on Downton drag? Except the stripper shoes.

  • EEKstl

    Actually love the way Kate looks here, so IN for me.

    Okay, now let’s get to it:  Lo, see Titanic.  Now, it’s no Showgirls (one of my all-time “No they didn’t!” faves, right up there with Valley of the Dolls) — it’s not in that category.  Oh, it’s flawed (screenplay?  What screenplay? Unless of course you’re a fan of hackneyed, remedial dialogue and predictable mises en scenes). But somehow it’s just one of those cinematic experiences that WORKS as a cinematic experience because technically it’s impressive.  I went with limited expectations and found myself actually engrossed. Maybe that’s damning with faint praise, but it’s work a look.

    • sarct

      I concur.  And maybe I just don’t get out much, but the second half, with ship actually sinking, is one of the best disaster movies out there.  I didn’t care about Kate and Leo so much, but the rest of it was pretty spectacular filmmaking.

  • fashionzombie

    Lorenzo, I never saw it either. Not only that, I have no desire to see it even though I love James Cameron’s scifi stuff (Aliens & T2 are the BEST). 

    If you want to cry a lot to a backdrop of Celine Dion, though, who am I to stop you?

  • Titanic was an atrocious movie, and I was so happy when that Jack guy finally died.  The only good thing I can say about it is that the sets and costumes were gorgeous.  The story sucked.  I don’t know that Lorenzo’s really missing anything.

  • M Carlson

    No, I’d see it. It’s part of our current culture that you need to know. As much as I don’t want to see it again, I must admit that the whole premise stayed with me for three days. It was just percolating. But, at heart, I’m a romantic and the whole “rebel girl with secret love lost” thing kind of appealed to me.

  • AthenaJ

    Above the neck she reminds me of Madonna for some reason. Agree the hairstyle is aging. That dress isn’t doing her too many favors either. Kate has a fantastic figure but the dress on her brings to mind Orange Duchess’s 2nd favorite word – Matronly (Kors’ favorite word is of course, ‘disco’). Although the bedazzled sleeves could potentially make this one disco matronly. Hmmmm……

    • AthenaJ

      Oh, and yes Lorenzo – you must watch Titanic. It’s inevitable that you will one day view it, you see… so just crack open a bottle of wine (or whatever spirits you prefer), and get it over with.

  • I was in a terrible marriage when Titanic came out and I became obsessed with it. I don’t care what you bitches say, the romance part (i.e. the part on disc one) is worth watching. Lo, go ahead. Be “King of the world” for a couple of hours. I dare you. 

  • Ah hell. I OWN the damn movie and I’ve never seen it.
    Too long, know how it ends, what’s the point?

  • jahphotogal

    Hate the dress – it looks like she’s 60 years old, going out for dinner and dancing at the Fountainbleu.
    As far as the movie, oh come on – of course you should see it.   It’s part of our culture. You’ve got such important things to do for those two hours of your life?

  • Liz

    As a 9th grade girl, I was forced to see this in the theatre, and I just thought it was hilarious.  The only way to get through it is to laugh.  But I recognize that many people have a serious appetite for these movies for purposes other than making fun. 

  • As a disaster movie, I give it a B-.  After the second hour of watching Leo and Kate wading around in what had to have been ice-cold water, I began to need to pee a lot and I also began to doubt that they could possibly have survived.  As a costume drama, also a B-.  Once the disaster part kicks in, that’s pretty much the end of the costumes.

  • K_y_m

    Sometimes it’s just nice to be one of The Last Holdouts.  I take a silly amount of pride in never seeing Titanic.  (Sort of like how my son loves the notoriety of never having read or seen any of the Harry Potters.)  Don’t go, Lorenzo.  I’ll Not See It with you.

  • Elaine Rodriguez

    I know I’m late to this party, but I saw it when it came out and I hated it.  The costumes really are lovely and you’d appreciate them Lorenzo.

    There’s something that strikes me though when I see commercials for it now: if that film was being made today and the young Kate Winslet auditioned for it, she’d be told to lose 15 pounds to get the part.  She is so healthy looking in this movie but would be called fat today.

  • It isn’t meant to be a Criterion collection sort of movie but there is a charm and power about it. Even Anthony Lane, who pretty much eviscerates every movie, gave it a fairly positive review.

  • When the man that is now my husband first asked me out, he wanted to go see Titanic.  I turned him down flat.  He quickly suggested something else, and we are very happy 13 years later.  True story:  Titanic almost kept me from dating the love of my life.  Stay away from Titanic.

  • BarbaraNovak

    I didn’t see it, either, and I don’t feel like I missed a thing.

  • I watched it with a friend and he got really mad at me because I kept cracking jokes and inserting my own dialogue. The kicker for him was when I didn’t shed a single tear. 

  • unbornfawn

    I always enjoy watching the same shelf of dishes fall over and break multiple times. Then there is the theme song. Works just fine for the movie, but after hearing it a gazillion times, when it plays I want to claw somebody’s eyes out. Something that might appeal to Lorenzo -The clothes are pretty.

  • Beth G

    Can’t wait to take my girls to see it.  Yes… it’s campy and silly but it’s just GOOD>

  • Of course you should see it – for the clothes!!!  
    Even if it’s not your thing – and frankly, it wasn’t particularly mine – it is a well done movie and everyone in it is  gorgeous. Especially Billy Zane who at the time, I had been in love with since Twin Peaks. Ah the 90’s.

  • xmixiex

    ugh i wish i could claim never to have seen it.  it would be right up there with my never having eaten a big mac. 

  • LindafromChicago

    I loved the movie Titanic.  When I watched it in a theater with 100 other people,we got up and cheered at the end.   I haven’t felt compelled to watch it again but I own it and am not ashamed.   I guess I’m a not-so-bitter kitten.

  • laura512

    Bah – whatever. I haven’t seen Titanic and I don’t intend to either.  Come sit by me, Uncle Lo.  I’ll make snacks, you bring a pitcher of something lethal, and we’ll make fun of people’s shoes while everybody else spends 3 hours watching a boat sink.

    • Monabel

      Much the best plan.

  • Oh, I hated this movie in previews and never saw it until I was stuck in a plane that showed it and there wasn’t much I could do (and I only watch parts of it at that). I really hated those shots of people falling down. It was so obvious the director was showing off what great angles he could get of people dying. I know it is just a movie, but I just could not take it. And then the hype about it was too much. Yes, I would rather watch “Showgirls.” At least you can get some laughs out of t.

  • I saw this movie twice in the theater and, to this day, I don’t know how that happened because I never wanted to see it at all. I think I may have taken my sisters separately… they were much closer to the age it would appeal to at the time.

    I have to admit I cried… but not at Jack/Rose. I found them to be so utterly treacly that if I wasn’t rolling my eyes at them I was giggling over the melodrama of their supposed love story. 

    No, I cried at the old couple cuddled on the bed waiting for the water to take them. And John Astor.

    That being said, no way am I going to watch this thing in 3D. Seeing the commercials is like having some nightmare return after you thought you’d escaped it. Those damn commercials were on all the time in the 90s and NOW THEY’RE BACK!! I wasted enough time on this film.

    Lo, you’re really not missing anything.

  • KathKo

    Lorenzo, darling, do stick to your guns and don’t let anyone trick you into watching that piece of sh…
    If you have any self respect, any love for your own soul, for your mental stability, for the hope that someday peace will come to heart (or make-up tips to Paz De La Huerta), don’t ever watch Titanic !
    I mean, there’s cliché love scenes, there’s silly dialogs, there’s even a song by Celine Dion, for Christ sake ! Who, in their right mind would ask Celine Dion to sing ?

  • ammjam

    Lo, I love you so much.  And I don’t love the movie so much.  Especially the sketchy sketching scene which, I believe, uses James Cameron’s hands rather than Leo’s.  Weird, right? But – yes. You need to see it.  It’s just one of those things you do.  

  • jmoss1

    I love Titanic. So there. It’s a great action movie and it’s fun.

  • Zaftiguana

    Worth it for Kathy Bates and the costumes and hot-ass Billy Zane.

    • Carrie Bradshaw

      I’ve always thought of this movie as Billy Zane’s last stand because I can’t think of another film after this he’s done where he was even a tenth as hot.

  • I never saw it. And I don’t regret it one bit, especially now that James Cameron thinks that reissuing it in 3D will make it better. Spend that 3+ hours on something better.

  • splix71

    Dull. Don’t bother, Lo.

  • I like Titanic. I enjoy Titanic. It’s stupid and I hate James Cameron and I fervently hate Leonardo DiCaprio in the movie, but I always liked the movie. It’s fun. And it’s even more fun if you take a shot every time Irish people are poor and Billy Zane has hair. Trust a bitch.

  • After pondering the redeeming social value of watching Titanic, this is all I can come up with: It’s much, much, much better than Avatar. 

  • Courtney Harris

    That’s exactly it – I know the ship sinks in the end, he dies, and she goes on to tell stories about The Necklace.  I don’t need to see some generic love story to know about the Titanic.  I love Kate & Leo, but have never had any desire to see this movie.

  • Tafadhali

    I saw Titanic eight times in theatres (I was ten, I was a girl, all of my friends were girls, I have a thousand and a half aunts and female cousins, my brother loved it — it wasn’t a choice thing) and I enjoyed it well enough, but I have perfectly contentedly never looked back and I’m not really sure how anyone who isn’t ten could handwave the stupidity enough to sit through it for three hours.

    Of course, my younger brother *still* loves this movie as far as I know. I think it’s a Billy Zane thing; I really couldn’t say.

  • Rroxy

    Well, I’m not going to see it again, 3D or not, but I did see it once. And (shame!) I cried when Leo froze to death. Buckets, too. Aside from that, I didn’t like the story, or that ridiculous race through the sinking ship during which the water rose around poor handcuffed Leo at the rate of about a millimeter an hour. But I was outraged that the poor Irish passengers were trapped in steerage (whatever that is).

  • Vic

    A pencil-neck, skinny, 22-year-old Leo with fuzz on his face plays the hero. “Nuff said.

  • Rebecca Zmarzly

    Never saw it. Not interested then, not interested now.

  • Cat_In_A_Hat

    Quick question: Should we pronounce PUFS “puffs” or “poofs”? I like both.

  • Watch it with the Rifftrax if you were ever a fan of MST3K.

    • Carrie Bradshaw

      YES. This. Times a thousand. I’m hoping Rifftrax does the Hunger Games because that is the only way I’m ever going to see it, if ever.

      • They definitely made Twilight worth watching, but then you have to go and rent Twilight.

  • Alisa Rivera

    I can’t believe there are 550 comments on this post. No wonder James Cameron is such an egotistical asshole.

  • bluefish

    I haven’t seen Titanic ever.  I would imagine it’s entertaining as hell until disaster strikes.  I find the event so so sad and terrible to even think about that I’ve never wanted to see it.  Saw a few snippets of Schindler’s List and had to turn it off years ago —  I came in at the worst possible moment, I suppose.  Still can’t ge the image out of my head all these years later.  So no Titanic for me. 

  • I liked the soundtrack, the costumes, and kate winslet. Worth a watch, especially since I feel like a “im the king of the world” and/or steamy hand print/dropping something expensive in the water reference occurs every 5.2 seconds somewhere in the world

  • justineyy

    I was 9 when it came out and wasn’t allowed to see it for a while because of the nudity 🙂 i finally saw it when it came out on vhs! My sister and I used to watch the first tape all the time but never the second…it was too sad when Leo died! I don’t know if I’d love it as much if it wasn’t such a big part of my childhood, but it is so I do! See it, Lo! The costumes alone are to DIE. 

  • My husband hasn’t seen it. It’s not a big deal if you’ve seen it or haven’t. I liked it, but i like crappy romances. And it’s not even my favorite crappy romance. 

  • I was a teen when it came out so I have a fondness for it, but I don’t know if I could go back and shatter that initial love. You know how it is, you go back to something you loved as a youngin’ and it just gets obliterated by your now wiser self. Alas, Dirty Dancing, that was a rude awakening, though to be fair, not realizing the whole abortion story line was even there until the later viewing will do that for you.

    T is right there is a ‘conversation’ being missed. Though I’m sure Lo will view it will a critical eye, and it will be difficult to understand the hype.

  • I have never seen it. Don’t want to. Don’t plan to.