I Kissed a Girl

Posted on November 30, 2011

This review is a little tough for us to write, what with the matching neck braces and all. We think we have a pretty good shot at suing Ryan Murphy over it.

See, in the first minute of this episode, we got immediate whiplash with the show picking up right after Santana’s epic slap of Finn except Santana was oddly calm and Finn was oddly mature about the whole thing. Chalking it up to typical Glee writer sloppiness, we rubbed our sore necks and settled back into our chairs for the next 57 minutes. Except…

Burt won the election!

Brittany won the election!

Rachel was expelled!

Santana suddenly was okay with being gay!

Santana’s parents were okay with her being gay although we never saw this!

Sue and Bieste are in a love triangle!

Puck and Shelby!

Puck and Shelby!

Puck and Quinn!

By the end, we were crumpled on our TV room floor, whimpering, our necks bent at an ungodly angle. What made all this plotting whiplash all the worse was that, for everything that happened this episode, it was all a little on the boring side. And we’re sorry to say, Glee is right back to its old tricks of shifting characters around according to the plot, making them say and do things that make little sense in context with the rest of their actions. All season, we saw a Brittany that we wanted to vote for ourselves; a fun, empowering, uncomplicated candidate with a school message that resonated. This episode, Kurt had to feel bad about trailing in the polls, so suddenly Brittany is portrayed as a dumb blonde handing out pixie sticks. Puck has a fairly amazing moment of sensitivity and maturity with Quinn, noticing and mentioning things about her that no one else seemed to pick up on and having the grownup sense to realize that she needed a friend more than anything else. A truly mature and interesting development for the character. Then, after mentioning several times how fucked up and desperate she is, and knowing what she was willing to do to get her daughter back, he tells her that he slept with Shelby. No one is that stupid, writers. Rachel does something utterly out of character in order to help another character who is suddenly supposed to be her dearest friend whom she can’t live without and she’s willing to risk it all in order to help.

That last one doesn’t even remotely track.

And hey, remember when Sue was attacking arts in the schools and the glee club was threatened by her candidacy? All gone. No worries. Burt won. We didn’t actually see Burt win; we have no idea how a loser like Schu managed to secure Burt a win; and we really didn’t even get a sense of how Burt or Sue reacted to his win. This entire plotline was pretty much resolved off camera.

Also mostly resolved off-camera: Santana’s coming out process. We rocketed from being worried that people in the school knew about it to kissing Brittany and loudly singing a song about straight girls dabbling in light lesbianism (really confusing message with that one). Her parents never even figured into the story at all; only mentioned in passing. Oddly, the focus was put on her grandmother, and that scene, while well-written and played, had absolutely no tension to it. Since they skipped telling her parents, the second this scene opened, we knew exactly how it was going to end.

We’re torn about this. It would have seemed really odd and one-sided to give Kurt a multi-episode arc surrounding his coming out and not give Santana similar treatment, but we can’t help feeling this all felt sort of rushed and by-the-numbers. We wouldn’t have recommended another season-long coming out arc (and we’re glad they didn’t go that route), but this one got wrapped up a little too quickly and neatly, given all the buildup.

And can we just say? Staging an outing intervention, which is essentially what the glee club did, strikes us an incredibly bad idea when talking about troubled teenagers? You don’t force someone out of the closet in any situation, but its doubly worse when you’re dealing with someone so young and with so little in the way of resources to handle it. All that sincere singing at her to get her to accept herself was well-intentioned and worked out for the best, but it was a seriously bad idea. And there was Schu, teacher of the year, bobbing his head and smiling while his students forced an emotionally troubled girl to deal with her issues publicly and in front of all of them. Frankly, we were more on Santana’s side when she was making cracks about all the bad things in her life and how watching Kurt and Blaine sing was just one more. When she hugged Finn, we honestly waited for a couple of beats to see what bitchy thing she was going to say, but no. Hugs solve everything in the world of Glee.

It wasn’t a horrible episode all around, just a boring and preachy one with way too many plot developments shoved in, cast aside, or resolved off camera. We were happy to see they added more musical numbers this episode (because it feels like this season has been low on jaw-dropping numbers), but even then, we weren’t captivated. Finn’s “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” was the creepiest interpretation of that song we’ve ever heard. “I Kissed a Girl” was fun, but like we said, sent a very odd message, given the plot. Really, what stood out for us was Bieste’s “Jolene,” and here’s where we’re going to get in trouble. There was a time when the show would have played a moment like this – between the rough football coach and the maniacal cheerleading coach fighting over a man – as pure comedy, especially with the addition of a classic Dolly Parton song. Instead, the entire scene and number was played totally straight. It was like one of those earnestly acted musical numbers from a seventies variety show; like something you’d see on Carol Burnett or Donny & Marie. The fact that no one even thought to mine the moment for comedy and instead went straight for pathos is, to us, the most damning thing we can say about the state of Glee right now. It’s become preachy and takes itself too seriously. Can anyone say they laughed out loud last night? Do you laugh at this show the way you did in the first season and even in parts of the second?

[Photo Credit: fox.com]

    • http://twitter.com/foodhussy foodhussy

      I loved the episode…I don’t think about it as much as you guys do I guess. And I didn’t think Finn’s version of “Girls” was creepy at all! It was my favorite song of the night!!! 

      • penn collins

         I agree, in fact I even went BACK and re-watched the scene again- as at first I didn’t catch what the song WAS…. finally something that used his not-so-great singing voice in a good way. It was a startling choice I thought- and really highlighted that relationship nicely.

      • Anonymous

        Right on FH! I kind of thought that was the sweetest song he’s ever song. Puck’s Etheridge, on the other hand, was really high and strange sounding — and if they were going to do one of Melissa’s to illustrate Puck’s feelings for Shelby, why not “Come to my Window”?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1316070988 Roey Thorpe

        Totally agree.  This was the first episode in a long time that I’ve liked, and the love triangle with Bieste and Sue actually worked for me.

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: …we can’t help feeling this all felt sort of rushed and by-the-numbers.”

      Yes, this whole season has seemed like that. It’s like once they announced that certain characters would be ‘graduating’ at the end of the season, they were suddenly off to the races to zip through every story idea they’d outlined in writer’s conference, to avoid wasting them.

      –GothamTomato
      http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2561006

    • Anonymous

      Before you rag on the version of Girls Just Want to Have Fun that Finn BOTCHED last night, try hearing the original from the man who arranged it: Greg Laswell. He is a genius. It is not at all creepy and has been used in a couple of major movies. Finn just can’t sing. Or act.

      • http://pleasewelcomeyourjudges.com/ Brian @ PWYJudges

        Yes!!! I loovvvvvve Greg Laswell’s music, and his cover of “Girls…” is fantastic.

    • http://knittedfuin.tumblr.com/ Eruwenfuin

      I’m just nodding along and agree-ing here. The only reason I’m still watching Glee is so that I can bitch about it later (we all need our vices)

      • Anonymous

        Really?

        • http://knittedfuin.tumblr.com/ Eruwenfuin

          That is the end result of my watching Glee these days. I do have to admit that I used to love this show, because when it gets it right, it is golden, but the problems just keep piling up, and really the only thing that is still remotely entertaining is the occasional good song or oneliner.

          • Anonymous

            welcome to Ryan Murphy…enjoy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6837468 Kimberly Correll Massengill

      Jolene is probably one of my favorite songs ever, and it was sung so well, but you’re right.  I even mentioned to my husband last night, “Hey, remember when this show used to be funny?” I’m really sad the way this show seems to be lacking in the funny.  It used to be laugh out loud hilarious, and now it’s an after school special. :-(

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: You don’t force someone out of the closet in any situation, but its doubly worse when you’re dealing with someone so young and with so little in the way of resources to handle it.”

      Yeah, for a minute I was wondering if Mr. Schu had been replaced by Michael Musto.

      –GothamTomato

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        LOL!

        • Anonymous

          or perez hilton

    • http://iamahoneybee.com/ nicole

      every time that Glee is nominated for a comedy award I want to throw a shoe at the TV. it’s not a comedy, it’s hardly funny anymore!

      • Anonymous

        They still do have some funny throwaway one-liners though.

        –GothamTomato

        • Anonymous

          Do you have to sign every post?  Your name is right above your comment.

        • Anonymous

          Brittany, Kurt and Santana always had the best lines. Suddenly none of them are funny anymore.

        • Miss Perceptive

          That’s true.

          Puck’s quip about preferring to ‘raw dog a beehive’ than have sex with Quinn was golden.

        • Anonymous

          four one lines a season do not a show make. And some of them make zero sense they’re so random. I swear Ryan has a bunch of chimpanzees writing Glee and AHS

      • http://twitter.com/bredalot Bridget Smith

        This is why the…Golden Globes, is it? Divides each category into Drama and Comedy/Musical. There are plenty of musicals that aren’t comedies and it’s really its own style, but this way they can avoid the arguments over whether or not each individual musical is a comedy or a drama.

    • Anonymous

      I gave up on Glee after season 1, but I still enjoy reading your recaps to satisfy my curiosity about the show. Thanks for saving me an hour of my life! MWAH!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K7VOQSAYZ7H2OBX6LOJNNIBSSE Amanda

        It’s like the Cliff Notes of “Glee”. 

    • Anonymous

      I laughed out loud when Puck made that “rather dog a beehive” or something comment to Quinn. That was it though.

      The episode was okay. It was kind of all over the place with too many stories. “Born This Way” would have worked better than “I Kissed a Girl” in that scene, but it was used already last season (IKaG also had been used, but way back in the pilot and it’s only s short clip of Tina singing it in her audition). “W R Who We R” by Kesha, who wrote the song after reading the news stories about gays being bullied and committing suicide, would have worked better IMO.

      • J Dreesen

        “I’d rather raw dog a beehive.”  !!!! i actually turned to my husband and said, “what?  what?!  is that a thing?  that people SAY?! why aren’t we SAYING this?!”  funniest line of the night (not saying much, i know, considering how TLo posts used to have a mile-long list of winning one-liners after every episode…*looks off longingly into the past*).

      • Terence Ng

        Considering that Glee was willing to cut the LGBT lines out of Born This Way, somehow, I don’t think it would have gotten the message out. Frankly, it’s about as bad as “I Kissed A Girl” if you really want to make a song about a girl embracing her actual lesbian or bisexual identity, instead of flirting with exploited male-fantasy female same-sex attraction .

    • Sobaika Mirza

      I was really uncomfortable with the set up of the episode: I will force you to love yourself or you’ll get suspended, which doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things because there’s a political ad questioning your sexuality airing all over the county!!!

    • Anonymous

      I’ve stopped watching this show… it’s jumped the shark.  I just don’t care…

      • Anonymous

        I totally agree. I only because b/c my tween daughter watches and I want to know how she’s filtering what’s presented. Like the most recent season of Project Runway, I play a lot of iPhone Boggle and Peggle when I watch this show.

      • Anonymous

        I watched the first five minutes of the first episode this season, switched channels, and haven’t looked back.

    • Wil Gumucio

      I know this won’t make me popular with “our people” but I’m so over this show.  You’re right, there were no LOL moments and have been VERY far and few between.  I miss this show when it was entertaining and funny.  And what the hell is up with Kurt’s wardrobe?! UGH!

      • Anonymous

        AGREED with Kurt’s wardrobe. The half sweater/poncho/turtleneck was HIDDY. Please tell me that’s not the next thing in fashion! And that torn-neckercheif-scarf-necklace thing? WTF?

        Also, I don’t like how Bieste is portrayed as eating like a pig. Seriously. NO ONE eats like that, I don’t care coach, football player, whatever…it’s disgusting. I know she’s not “stereotypical girl,” but puh-leeze!

        • MilaXX

          I vaguely remember TLo doing a men’s fashion post that had those sweaters, but it’s the sort of thing you see in editorials and on the runway, not on people in real life.

        • Anonymous

          that wasn’t a stripper thing around his neck? Oh.

      • MilaXX

        And what the hell is up with Kurt’s wardrobe?! UGH!</b.
        I just asked the same thing!

      • Anonymous

        He was wearing a grey sweater-vest cape at one point!  In the series premiere he had on a cute Marc Jacobs jacket.  What has happened to him?

        • Anonymous

          the wool garment bag.

    • http://magnetgirl.tumblr.com Anika

      I got upset the moment this episode started with

      • Anonymous

        When Schu claimed she was “totally unprovoked,” I thought he’s either stupider than he looks (and has been proving since episode 1), or he’s being willfully vindictive.  Zero tolerance policies frequently suck ass, but he either plain-out lied, or marched everyone to the principal’s office without even asking what was going on.

        (FTR, not saying that slapping people is awesome, but it certainly wasn’t RANDOM.  I hate Schu.)

    • Sobaika Mirza

      Wasn’t Rachel’s cheating in character? She does have a history of sending people to crack dens when she is threatened.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1363731332 Gerry Coleman

      Oh, come on.  “Why would someone assume I’m a Friend of Ellen just because I’m mannish
      and I have short hair and I only wear track suits and I coach a girls’
      sport and I married myself?”  That was funny!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GFMOZFM3WT3T56EZHVZFK7UXSI Ramon

        She also had the other funny moment in the show when she was picking up a boyfriend. Come on, “Your loss, David Boreanaz” and “Matt Lauer. Bitter” were really great.

        • Anonymous

          I miss that type of humor from Glee :(

        • Anonymous

          The David Boreanaz comment was gold, but I kept thinking it would have been better if we just saw the notebook without her reading the exact same comments.  Even good jokes feel a lot more demanding this season, like they don’t trust us to recognize funny.

      • Kolina Teng

        I also liked Puck’s “Are we talking girl-on-girl or lady-on-lady? ‘Cause that’s a huge difference there.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      How about that final number? OMG. A girl comes out, now she must sing a k.d. lang song! Sweet jeebus. “Constant Craving” is a great song, but it is NOT SANTANA’S SONG. Shelby redeemed it a little, but come on. So badly suited for Santana’s voice, and super cliche.

      • Anonymous

        well after the Irish lad had to sing the easy being green song whatcha expect?

    • Anonymous

      This show now officially sucks.  And even though it wasn”t mentioned in your review, the most troubling plot line is the Puck/Shelby sexual relationship.  I said it before and I stick by this: if the genders were reversed in this storyline, there is NO WAY IN HELL this would be getting the pass it is getting.

      • Sobaika Mirza

        If gender’s were reversed or if the student wasn’t played by someone pushing 30. Imagine Shelby sexing up Rory or even Blaine. Ick.

      • Anonymous

        There is a play called “How I Learned to Drive” which had, in the original cast, Mary Louise Parker playing a girl through many stages of her life including learning to drive while her uncle molested her.  In the play, MLP never changed from the adult that she was at the time of the telling so that scene doesn’t have the impact it would if you saw a 12-year-old girl gettng felt up by a scheezy old guy. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          A total mind-fuck of a movie in that realm would be Todd Solondz’ “Palindromes”. The main character is 13 years old, but is played in various vignettes by different actresses, some young teens, some grown women. It is very graphic and squirm-worthy no matter which actress is on screen. 

    • Renee Bender

      I totally agree with you that the Santana coming out story line was badly done.  My little brother is currently going through this difficult process and I have to say, it was pretty upsetting to watch how the writers handled her coming out to her parents, the glee club “coming out intervention”, her interactions with Finn, etc.  Spot on with your review T and Lo. 

      • Terence Ng

        At least you’re there to give him some support. :) One of the things I hated when I came out was my much, much older sister assuring me during our infrequent communiques that “everything would work out” between my folks and I. That’s all.

        If your parents aren’t cool with it, it sucks, it’s hard, and for me, it was one of the hardest times in my life, and hearing people with very little depth in the situation tell you that “they’ll come around” doesn’t help. It’s not all sunshine and sprinkles and Burt Hummels, and sometimes, I feel like shows like Glee lead people to expect that a difficult coming out for someone, especially with unsupportive parents, will solve itself “off camera”; a person will completely reconcile their sexual orientation, their identity, their guilt, their fear, their anger and resolve their conflicts with all the same feelings their unsupportive parents might ALSO have, all within the space of “two episodes”.

        It sounds like your brother needs you, and it seems that you’re aware of it, too, and won’t patronize him with this kind of stuff. He’s lucky, in that regard.

        • Renee Bender

          I’ve read your post several times now, and at the risk of sounding sappy, it almost makes me cry every time!  You said exactly what I have been feeling, it’s not a cut and dried “solved off camera” situation in real life.  My poor brother is so terrified to tell my parents, in part because of the very negative reaction our middle brother had when he told us.  While I appreciate a show that wants to try to address this process, I don’t know if it’s almost worse to perpetuate the idea that you so eloquently wrote about – everything will work out in a 2 episode arc while glossing over the long term effects coming out has on an individual and his/her family relationships. 
           
          All I can say now Terence, is thank you.  I’m so grateful you replied to my post – I’m sorry your insights come with the price you’ve paid, but please know they have done a lot to lift some of the weight I’ve been carrying around for months. 

          • Terence Ng

            No thanks necessary. I do agree that showing positivity is essential. While it’s not always sunshine and sprinkles, it’s not always fear and homelessness and betrayal either.

            He’s got you, which is so important, but he’ll still have to deal with the way coming out inevitably changes his relationships with other people, such as your middle brother, or potentially your parents. My folks and I are on the level, and I love them, but this is the bone that never got set for me and them. Acknowledging that I wasn’t a wunderkind in all regards to them any more was difficult, but I got through it. Even if I’m not to them, they still make me feel like I am, if that makes sense, and I certainly feel that I am, too.

            So be there for him. Support him, and don’t wash over the hard times, because he’ll have them, even with you there. Help him through them when he needs you and he’ll heal and get stronger. Then, even if your middle brother or your parents don’t come around, he’ll be okay. And if they DO come around, it’s the icing on the cake.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              The phrasing can make all the difference.  “YOU’LL be okay” instead of “IT’LL be okay”… some people in your life may NEVER come around, but you’ll learn to live without them eventually.

      • Anonymous

        What a waste of the camera charisma. Love when that kid is on screen…Ryan Murphy is a dumb-ass.

      • Anonymous

        PS: All the best to your brother and you.

    • O Superman

      What on earth is Kurt wearing in that picture?

      • Tamara Hogan

        WORD! Horrible wardrobe episode for Chris Colfer – who, it must be said, cannot dance.

      • Anonymous

        Not quite a caplet and not quite a sweater….kind of a sweater for someone missing an arm….but that’s not PC. 

        It’s asymmetrical — ergo It’s fashion!!

      • Anonymous

        It’s what Miss Marple or any old English mystery solving woman would wear!!!

    • Jessica O’Connell

      Finn’s cover of “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” really was awful and weird, so thank you for agreeing there. All in all I didn’t think it was bad. I laughed a few times but you’re right, not as many times as I used to. Still, I wasn’t surprised by Rachel’s act to try to help Kurt (she’s seemed increasingly attached to him since last season) nor was I surprised at Brittany’s dumb blonde act (which has been sneaking it’s way in – I mean her candidacy speech was all about banning tornadoes and going topless if elected. Pixie stix made perfect sense to me). I didn’t have nearly as many issues as you did with it, but I agree it wasn’t the best. Still, I liked most of the numbers (except Finn’s uber creepy one) and am interested to see how they do sectionals without Rachel.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Maybe they will let Tina sing!

      • Anonymous

        It was creepy — didn’t even recognize it until he mangled the chorus….wonder what Cyndi Lauper would think.

        • Anonymous

          she thought thank you for the $$$ which was a comfort to me – because I love me some Cyndi.

    • Anonymous

      This show has been added to the pile of shows that I no longer watch because reading the TLo recap is sufficient. Boys, you have no idea how much time you save me.

    • Annie Leung

      The only time I laughed out loud during the episode was in the preview for next week when Rachel asked for a dollar. I did go “aww” when Finn told Santana that she meant something to him. I wish her storyline was done better too but it’s Glee (and sadly, I know very well that “it’s Glee” shouldn’t be the catchall excuse for their writing).

      • Heather Kobayashi

        I agree that that moment was cute, but it irked me a little that me mentioned her status as his first sexual partner before he mentioned actually caring about *her.*  Maybe I’m just reading into things too much.

    • Diana Martinez

      Um, you didn’t see the comedy in Coach Beist singing “Jolene” while wearing shorts and pulled-up socks? I totally laughed out loud.  Granted, I also got teary, so there you go.  That’s what Glee does.  It makes you cry and laugh at the same time.  

    • http://twitter.com/gatecrewgirl Trotter Roller

      My feelings are best expressed here.  This episode was gross.  Just.  Gross gross gross.  
      http://dorothysurrenders.blogspot.com/2011/11/out-out-damn-spot.html

    • Anonymous

      I laughed out loud at Kurt’s one-sleeved sweater-poncho thing. But I don’t that’s what you had in mind.

      My daughter said, “Finn is being a nice bully to Santana about all this.” It think she nailed it.

      I liked that Bieste got a musical moment, and I love that song, but yeah, it could have been a lot campier and fun. The show has lost that and I really don’t think it has any interest in getting it back.

    • Anonymous

      I truly expect every episode to be “a very special episode of Glee’ because of all the preaching going on.  Let’s get back to singing people.  If I want to hear a sermon, I will go to church.  Finn singing “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” was simply bad, but not creepy.  The scene with Santana and her grandmother is going on Naya Rivera’s “For Your Consideration” Emmy reel. 

    • Anonymous

      “so suddenly Brittany is portrayed as a dumb blonde handing out pixie sticks” … I see what you mean with a lot of your problems with the episode (even when I disagree I see what you mean) but not this. Brittany has always been the more lovable version of Sarah Palin in this campaign. Dumb and a bad representation of female politicians.

    • Anonymous

      I can’t believe you didn’t mention Kurt’s…swoncho?  (sweater-poncho?) 

      • Anonymous

        What in the holy fuck was that?  I don’t even remember the song because of it.

    • http://toodles.yelp.com AWStevens

      WOW… Well, TLo are two gays who had their grumpy pants on last night.

      The “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun” cover by Finn was awesome.  I loved it.  I bought it.  It was touching and made me tear up.  “Jolene” is one of my favorite Dolly Parton songs and I totally bought the Bieste version of it.  “Glee” doesn’t need to make me laugh every 5 seconds.  The actress who plays Bieste, Dot Jones, should be given props.  She has a wide range and did a great job.

      The Santana/Abuela confrontation was predictable but still poignant. 

      Brittany had been lying to students all along.  Her pixie sticks bribes didn’t surprise me.

      On the other side of that is Rachel’s sabotaging of not only the school election but herself.  NOT BELIEVABLE WRITERS!  I think Lea Michelle doesn’t want to leave “Glee” next season and this is a way for her to stay another year.  Snore.  Just a theory and a good one…

      This is not one of my favorite eps but it’s not their worst (the tacky Brittany Spears ep was).  Maybe they do need more laughs in there but they also need semi-believable characters.  And don’tcha think the entire ‘ANTI-BULLYING’ stance the show has to take now is severely hurting them in terms of laughs?  Just a theory and an EXCELLENT one…

    • penn collins

      Constant Craving is a hard song to top, but I think they did a nice job of it…. complete with montage and all (you KNEW they could not get by with out that cliche’!) but Santanna did an excellent job with it.(I agree, way to much happened off camera- the election should have gotten a second or two more…Schu ‘won’ it? how?)

    • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

      What ever happened to that girl Mercedes who was on the show and was supposed to be a big deal?

      • Leslie Streeter

        I know. Her and her boyfriend? Gone. I hate that. Beginning to hate this show, and I used to adore it.

      • Anonymous

        They did not need the assertive Black woman except when she told the jock to step off!!!
        Puck  stated no one gave Quinn a moments thought;  Mercedes gave her not jut room and board but emotional support.
        When first Finn’s house(she lied.  He was not the father) was no longer available. Second, she was tired of Pucks childish conversations about games and silly names.  Quinn was not her friend nor was she friendly.  But,  anytime this show needs an asexual female where’s the black girl?
        This role should have played out in the 1890s.  Yes, I know Sam is back.

        • RocknLox

          Mercedes gets no play… I guess Ryan Murphy doesn’t know how to create scenarios where black people have problems. And problems seem to be the best way to get attention on the show. Gay kids and their problems have had most of the spotlight for two seasons straight it seems. I think it’s good for there to be a show where gay characters shine, but do realize that watchers are fans of other cast members as well. 

    • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

      Jolene was the only part of the show I liked (and i love the song).  I liked that they didn’t make it comical.  They have enough fun at her expense anyway.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1539480086 Rachael Dickson

      The best part of the episode was when Puck called out Quinn. I literally cheered at my screen when that happened. But I completely agree with what y’all said about the Glee club basically forcing Santana out of the closet in a very public way – though well-intentioned, it was a terrible idea. Plus even though it was awesome that the girls of the two glee clubs stood up for Santana against the creeper – I had issues with the song choice as well. But it’s one the girls know – and it’s probably one they relate to, even if it’s not spot on with the message.
      I did think the creeper moment was well done too – honestly, that’s exactly the reaction a lot of lesbian girls get from neanderthals. It was a really honest portrayal of what so often happens – lesbians are so part of straight male fantasies that it seems like the stupid ones don’t actually know how to deal with a girl that is simply not attracted to them.

    • Anonymous

      “It’s become preachy and takes itself too seriously.”
      A. MEN!

    • Anonymous

      I was mostly angry about the I Kissed a Girl. Now, that song is fun and all. But I can’t believe they chose a song that just exemplifies the stereotype that lesbians are sexy FOR MEN (the Glee guys getting all hot and bothered, the Glee girls all acting bi-curious during that number) but gay men are people whose affection should rarely be seen and is “not hot” and even repugnant to straight men and some straight women. 

      Now, I’ll buy that if Santana wanted the girls to sing that song with her, she choregraphed it and it was what she wanted. But still. Stuff like that bugs me.

      No, straight men of the world, lesbians are not kissing each other for you benefit. They’re kissing each other because they want to, and they have no interest in you.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        As many times as Blaine has sung Katy Perry, he totally could have done this one too– last season after he kissed Rachel at that party. 

        • http://twitter.com/laurarodgers Laura Rodgers

          YES. if they were going to use this song, it should have gone to Blaine.

    • Glen Coleson

      Girls just want to have fun was the high point of the episode for me; probably Corey Monteith’s best performance ever.
      I read the ballot stuffing a little differently though. It seemed that they were implying that she was supporting Kurt, not out of a sense of altruism or true friendship, but because she didn’t want to go to new your alone. A sort of self-centralistic perspective that is very much in line with Rachel’s character.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve just about given up on this show, and only watch it when there’s nothing else on. It’s the poor writing that bothers me. The characters are so uneven that they bore me– I can’t connect to them or stay with them for very long. (It’s sort of like every episode is a new play time with Barbie Dolls for the creators. “This time Barbie is coming out! This time, Barbie will be VERY SERIOUS. This time, Barbie will run for Congress!”) Way too confusing and sloppy, as you say. The Whiplash analogy is perfect.

    • Judy Raddue

      I’ve yet to see the episode.  Glee is no longer appointment viewing for me.  Your takes are spot-on, as always, especially with Glee’s sense of importance.  I’m sorry, Ryan Murphy – my so-called life, it’s not and will never be. 

      So far this season, I’ve been particularly frustrated by less-frequent spotlight on Kurt Colfer.  He’s far and away the most talented member of the cast, but increasingly seems to take a back seat to Darren Criss. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      I’m confused by Santana and “I Kissed A Girl”.  This is a song that’s specifically about being bi-curious — in fact, it goes out of its way to point out that the incident described has nothing to do with being a lesbian.  In fact, it would have made far more sense to have Santana sing it last season, when she was angry and confused than in an episode about acccepting herself. 

      (Of course, I’m still confused by the episode with Gwyneth Paltrow from last season — your sexual orientation is based on who you fall in love with?  So there are no bi people?  Only people who switch from straight to gay depending on the moment?  And why does Santana being in love with Brittany make her an automatic lesbian?  Couldn’t she have been bi and felt the exact same way?) 

      • Tamara Hogan

        And Brittany’s sexual orientation seems to be a non-issue.  

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          Thank you! This is bugging me to no end. Does Brittany not get a “Come out as (apparently) bi” intervention? I am so confused about this plot hole.

          • RocknLox

            I agree with you guys… maybe it’s because Brit’s in outer space. Also being bi apparently does not bother her. I guess just like being a gay man doesn’t bother Blaine. Apparently you just get a special episode about your sexuality if it troubles you.

    • Anonymous

      I stopped watching Glee last year and have had little frustration in my life since then!

    • http://inkblotphotography.blogspot.com/ Cate

      Question: so the problem with the coach beiste storyline was that they didn’t make us laugh at her? I’m not trying to be snarky, i’m honestly asking. because i really liked it, and i was rooting for her the whole episode.

      • RocknLox

        I agree. Why should we laugh at her? 

        Because she is not conventionally beautiful or because doesn’t have a typically female shape or because she is a tomboyish adult?

        So is Sue. 

        *massages temples*

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          No.  It was that  the show used to mine EVERYTHING for laughs, and now it’s not.  And it’s not really that either she or Sue had to be laughed at because they’re not stereotypically feminine, it’s that both actresses have shown great comedy chops, and so any storyline involving the two of them should have been written to use that.

          They could have given them both great lines that were incredibly funny without making the audience laugh “at” either of them.

          • RocknLox

            I see your point. More laughs all around. 

            Maybe they’re trying to set up a more nuanced arc with this love triangle to be resolved in an episode or two?

            It will certainly have more impact than the spontaneous Santana-grandma-fiasco with some foregrounding. 

            Besides, Sue has lost the election. Her character needs something else to destroy, commandeer, or compete with. Enter Bieste.

            Like I said somewhere else, I don’t think Glee is going to be as funny as it was for some time. As you’ve observed it has become more serious, but this is a symptom of a larger issue. The show has gone from being centered on entertainment, uniqueness, and wit to sorting out American social issues… Until they cool it with that I doubt things will change.

            But then again, who knows? The show changes from one thing to the next every week. It could still end up with a funny spin. I’m not saying the writers are making all the right choices or even defending them. I was questioning the idea that Bieste’s story lines should automatically be hilarious when she is going through the same problems of unrequited/unstated love as some of the other adult characters. 

            In any case, we are about to see two heavyweights compete to the death for an milquetoast named Cooter. 

            The comedy writes itself.

        • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

          Yes, because goodness, we’re constantly advocating that the not conventionally beautiful should be laughed at. That’s what we’re all about here.

          How about it should have been played as a comedy because the show is a comedy and watching a football coach sing Jolene to a cheerleading coach is an inherently comedic setup?

          • RocknLox

            “Yes, because goodness, we’re constantly advocating that the not conventionally beautiful should be laughed at. That’s what we’re all about here.”

            Now you know I didn’t say that.

            Besides, it was kind of funny to me. The coach shorts, the picture Sue sent, Sue’s seductive hair spray… 

            Don’t tell me you didn’t giggle at the tantric tricep workout. 

            • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

              “Now you know I didn’t say that.”

              Yes you did; pretty much:

              “Why should we laugh at her? Because she is not conventionally beautiful or because doesn’t have a
              typically female shape or because she is a tomboyish adult?”

              And if you found the scene funny yourself, why did you think that our call to make the scene more comedic was because we thought the not conventionally pretty should be laughed at? You apparently laughed at the scene. Did you laugh because the person singing isn’t conventionally beautiful?

              Do you see how it might be annoying for someone to make that assumption about you, absent any evidence?

            • RocknLox

              I didn’t make any assumptions about you or what you find beautiful. 

              I also did not laugh because I think Bieste isn’t conventionally beautiful. If you read what I wrote, her beauty did not factor. It was her costuming, the over the top picture, the melodrama of Sue’s hairspray, and the ridiculousness of intense lower arm workouts that I found amusing. 

              You said the scene should have been mined for comedy, I pointed out that it had some comedic elements but cautioned that we should not automatically think that Bieste’s love triangle should be funny simply because it is Bieste in the triangle and especially not because of her appearance. We can still get our laughs, but hopefully the writers will not resort to that angle. You’re saying you think the show should be funnier over all. 

              I am not disagreeing with you specifically here on anything… you have a right to say what you feel. Don’t take what I say as an attack on you personally, because it isn’t.

              It’s a beautiful morning. As you often tell your commenters, lighten up.

            • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

              ” I didn’t make any assumptions about you or what you find beautiful. ”

              No, you made an assumption that our complaint that the scene wasn’t funny must have meant that we were advocating making it funny because Bieste is, in your words, “not conventionally beautiful.” It’s all right there.

              “You said the scene should have been mined for comedy, I pointed out that
              it had some comedic elements but cautioned that we should not
              automatically think that Bieste’s love triangle should be funny simply
              because it is Bieste in the triangle and especially not because of her
              appearance. ”

              You didn’t “caution.” You asked us if we thought the scene should have been played for laughs due to Bieste’s looks. We reacted quite sarcastically to that because there is absolutely nothing in the post we wrote to lead you to ask us that question.

              If Bieste’s beauty was not a factor in why you found the scene amusing, why did you assume that her looks had something to do with why we thought the scene should have been funnier?

              “Lighten up” is the last refuge of people who don’t like having the actual meaning of their words pointed out to them.

            • RocknLox

              You guys tell people to lighten up in your responses to people
              you disagree with on the blog… you haven’t noticed this?  

               

              You told someone to lighten up in your Jen Hud post and your
              Gwen Paltro post…

               

              But anyway… I won’t take your insult to my understanding
              the meaning of my own words personally. I have no interest in one upping you
              guys.

               

              “If Bieste’s beauty was not a factor in why you found the
              scene amusing, why did you assume that her looks had something to do with why WE
              thought the scene should have been funnier?”

               

              I am not
              a mind reader. I don’t know why YOU thought the scene wasn’t funny enough.
              Trying to figure out what you find funny was never a priority for me. I stated
              that WE (Glee watchers) should not rely on jokes on her femininity all the
              time. I was not alone in my sentiment. This is your blog, but every comment
              does not have to do with you. What you say in your rundown is a spring board
              for a broader discussion.

               

              I
              understand your argument but you seem to not understand mine because you feel I
              have said something negative about you personally when I questioned what you
              wrote.

               

              The
              bottom line is, you are saying that her beauty did not factor into your desire
              to see more comedy at all. Okay.

               

              I am
              saying that we should not rely on obvious jokes about her physical strength, demeanor,
              appetitive, and appearance all the time. She should be taken as seriously as
              any other adult character in this comedy.

               

              I never
              said you were big meanies for picking on her. I am just saying that we should
              not derive all our jokes from that source.

               

              Our ideas do
              not really conflict. In fact if you don’t think the appearance jokes are
              important, then we all agree. Situation neutralized. 

            • RocknLox

              You guys tell people to lighten up in your responses to people
              you disagree with on the blog… you haven’t noticed this?  

               

              You told someone to lighten up in your Jen Hud post and your
              Gwen Paltro post…

               

              But anyway… I won’t take your insult to my understanding
              the meaning of my own words personally. I have no interest in one upping you
              guys.

               

              “If Bieste’s beauty was not a factor in why you found the
              scene amusing, why did you assume that her looks had something to do with why WE
              thought the scene should have been funnier?”

               

              I am not
              a mind reader. I don’t know why YOU thought the scene wasn’t funny enough.
              Trying to figure out what you find funny was never a priority for me. I stated
              that WE (Glee watchers) should not rely on jokes on her femininity all the
              time. I was not alone in my sentiment. This is your blog, but every comment
              does not have to do with you. What you say in your rundown is a spring board
              for a broader discussion.

               

              I
              understand your argument but you seem to not understand mine because you feel I
              have said something negative about you personally when I questioned what you
              wrote.

               

              The
              bottom line is, you are saying that her beauty did not factor into your desire
              to see more comedy at all. Okay.

               

              I am
              saying that we should not rely on obvious jokes about her physical strength, demeanor,
              appetitive, and appearance all the time. She should be taken as seriously as
              any other adult character in this comedy.

               

              I never
              said you were big meanies for picking on her. I am just saying that we should
              not derive all our jokes from that source.

               

              Our ideas do
              not really conflict. In fact if you don’t think the appearance jokes are
              important, then we all agree. Situation neutralized. 

            • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

              You keep bringing up all this stuff that we never said and you never said. It’s very simple. You asked us – and it was addressed to us since we were the ones who made the point that the scene should have been played for laughs – if we thought such a thing because Bieste is, in your words, “not conventionally beautiful.” There was nothing in the post to indicate any such thinking on our parts and, because every week when we review Glee, we are accused at least once of being:

              Racist,
              Transphobic,
              Fatphobic,
              Bi-phobic,
              Misogynists, and
              Anti-Lesbian, among many other things, we are pushing back each week someone does exactly what you did here: took a criticism about the show and turned it into a criticism about a group of people.

              You’re right; our ideas do not conflict; something you might have realized if you hadn’t automatically and without any evidence whatsoever subtly accused us of thinking making fun of the “not conventionally beautiful” was a good idea. You keep saying that we’re taking this personally. How can we not? You made a horrible assumption about us based on nothing.

            • RocknLox

              You are taking this too personally. I am not trying to shame or insult you. Nor was I making a subtle accusation about you as people and I think the automatic assumption was yours for thinking I was gunning for you specifically.

              I am also not taking a criticism you made about the show to be a criticism about a group and then saying that you are attacking that entire group. You are saying that.

              I am also not a group of people accusing you of being prejudiced. I am one person who questioned what we as Glee watchers should laugh at. I know you are under a lot of pressure because you get a lot of positive and negative comments as you write. That is the nature of writing a blog and as it becomes more successful you get a larger audience and different opinions. It’s probably easier to focus on the negative ones. But this wasn’t supposed to be a negative comment about you two as people and that was never my intention. 

              You clarified what you meant by what you wrote. We’re on the same page now (and always were). I did not make a “horrible assumption” about you by asking a clarifying question about your comments to the group at large. But if you think that my question was horrible, then fine, you are entitled to your opinion. Good day.

            • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

              Look, you seem like a decent person but you are being extraordinarily disingenuous when you claim you were merely asking for some form of clarification from a vague group of people who may or may not include us. The original question was posed as to a point that we, and we alone, made about that scene to which you followed up by making a pretty low assumption and then ending it with a “*massages temples*” which is exactly why it sounds like an accusation and not the neutral call for clarification you made it out to be later. You didn’t “question what we as viewers should laugh at.” You questioned why we felt the scene should have been funnier and asked if it was because Bieste is not conventionally beautiful, something that, as we have repeatedly pointed out to you, can be found nowhere in our writing or anywhere else in the discussion and is, in fact, a pretty shitty thing to say about someone. “Why should this be funny, is it because Bieste is ugly?” is a classic “When did you stop beating your wife” style of question.

              You can comfort yourself with the idea that we overreacted, but as we said, your words are right there and they weren’t nearly as vague as you want them to sound.

    • Anonymous

      I’m so over Glee I forgot it was even on last night.

    • Anonymous

      I have given up on the show.  The DVR is no longer set for Glee and I keep up with it through you all.  I admire your tenacity and loyalty to the show.  Jumped the shark big time.

      • Marie Drucker

        I gave up on it too… but I really want to know what happened with Rachel. Please?

        • Megan Sears

          Rachel stuffed the ballot box so Kurt could win the election.  They suspected Kurt of doing it and he was going to get suspended, so Rachel confessed, she was suspended for a week and can’t compete in Sectionals.

          • Anonymous

            …and there was much rejoicing.  ;o)

            Important to note that Rachel did it because SHE wanted Kurt to win because SHE didn’t want to go to NYADA without her “best gay” (barf. My best friend would throttle me if I ever referred to him as *my* gay, best or otherwise.) All about Rachel, as everything is. It’s about time she got punished for her send-you-to-a-crack-house crap…

            • Anonymous

              Ugh, I forgot that turn of phrase.  Not a way to sell Rachel’s motivation, whatever the hell it was supposed to be.

    • Anonymous

      Not even the amazing Coach Beiste singing Dolly Parton’s Jolene could save this dog of an episode.  Yeah, there were a couple of funny lines but overall the show was a drag.  At this point I find most of the characters repellent and/or inexplicable.  They’ve wasted some great characters.  Sue seems almost irrelevant these days, Brittany has gone from being a charming, naive girl with some unexpected but sharp insights to being a bimbo so stupid you wonder how she manages to get dressed each day.  I never hated Schu the way most people seem to so I kind of miss what’s happening in his relationship with Emma, who I adore.  Mercedes is MIA as is Artie.  It’s all Afterschool Special all the time now.  Boring for those of us over the age of twelve.  And last night’s musical numbers all made me cringe.  I fast-forwarded through most of them, except of course, Jolene.  And TLo is right – what an opportunity missed there for some comedy.  Just about done with this show.

    • MilaXX

      UGH! Last night sucked. There was no story, even by Glee standards. Just a series of 5 min vignettes designed to wrap up story lines they were done with. And might I add who the hell is styling Kurt these days? He has always dressed flamboyantly, but lately at least once an episode I find myself asking, “Girl, what are you wearing?”

    • CQAussie

      So many thoughts….

      Santana – I feel like they completely screwed the pooch on this one.  One minute she’s a total emotional wreck, unable to discern who is friend or foe and after Finn sings Girls Just Wanna Have Fun to her really slowly, POW, she’s got it ALL figured out!  And oh yeah, she told her parents and they were cool with it!  WHAT?  I get that Glee isn’t supposed to be totally realistic but come ON. I agree with you that how her Grandma was going to react could be seen a mile away.  But even Grandma’s reaction was odd.  She is essentially OK with Santana being gay if she just keeps it a secret and never speak of it because speaking of it makes it scandalous?  That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, sorry.  This whole plotline could have had more meat on it but it didn’t.  It ended up glossing over a lot of the major issues with being a gay teen trying to come to terms with their sexuality.

      Puck & Shelby – Seriously?!!  Shelby has a melt down because….Beth fell down.  And cut her lip open.  SERIOUSLY?  That was so ridiculous, I can’t even.  Then Shelby sleeps with Puck because……oh right, he came up with the brilliant idea of having a plastic surgeon see to Beth’s stitches.  Fantastic.  Is Shelby a 16 year old single mother now with all the emotional baggage?  Instead of a grown-up woman who made the difficult decision to be a single mother and also made the decision to leave behind her career in NY to fulfill that?  Talk about DIS-empowering a promising female character.

      Quinn – OMG, so over it.  Just quit with Quinn being THE Bitch.  It doesn’t work.  She looks like a petulant moron instead of a girl who had to grow up fast and not handling it well.  I say “moron” because no girl in her right mind would want to be knocked up for the SECOND TIME during high school.  They are completely obliterating any potential for Quinn.  And oh great, now we have Quinn giving the Shelby the evil eye cuz Puck INEXPLICABLY told her about them sleeping together.  NO GUY WOULD DO THIS.  Unless he was irretrievably stupid or insane.  So which is it, Glee writers?  Puck the Mature & Sensitive?  Or Puck the Unstoppable Idiot with Flapping Gums?

      The only redemption was Coach Bieste and her rendition of Jolene.  It was lovely.  I agree with you that this is where Sue and Bieste should have been showcased in comedic brilliance as well as pathos.  SIGH.  It all just fell flat even with the great musical number.  Because Couter was sad that Bieste was uncommunicative but then he’s willing to settle for Sue?  Who openly refers to him as a booty call since the 90’s??  Really??  UGH.

      As for Kurt’s “win” and Rachel’s cheating – it was just too much for me.  Totally unlikely and I don’t even know who Rachel is anymore.  

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Oh, honey, the problem is that you’re assuming that Quinn is in her right mind –she quite clearly is not.  There are a LOT of girls whose first reaction to the pain of giving up a baby is to get pregnant again as quickly as possible. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T35HMSKKAKENAUTFI7YHOBDONE Bibiana Beardsley

        I, actually, read more into Santana’s abuela’s response. She said, “We all have secrets, and they should be kept to ourselves.” As if she also had to hide part of herself all her life.

    • RocknLox

      Don’t take my disagreement as disrespect. I respect what you guys do here at TLo Industries.

      “It would have seemed really odd and one-sided to give Kurt a multi-episode arc surrounding his coming out and not give Santana similar treatment”

      Santana has been coming out for the last three episodes at least. Everyone in her social circle knows that she is a lesbian and none of these people have criticized her for it. I guess the only people who weren’t aware of this were the rugby team captains (when did we get a rugby team?) which shows how little this will probably effect her future.

      Also, I could not live through another six episodes of her sexual orientation being center stage.

      If anything, I think it was good that Santana’s grandmother did not approve. I do think that gays (being one) should get support. However, I do not think it’s productive to always show supportive parents or adults as if this is the default mode. It’s not. When I told my mom it was in the car and she was so shocked she accidentally crossed the center lane. It’s funny now, but at the time she did not want to speak to me anymore because she felt uncomfortable. Uncomfortable enough for us to almost die. Lol! I’m sorry, sick sense of humor.

      Kids should know how to deal with this, too, since the show has become an after school special of late. I agree that the scene could have had more tension, but that would have required us to have met or known something about Santana’s adult family members before this episode.

      “Staging an outing intervention, which is essentially what the glee club did, strikes us an incredibly bad idea when talking about troubled teenagers? And there was Schu, teacher of the year, bobbing his head and smiling while his students forced an emotionally troubled girl to deal with her issues publicly and in front of all of them.”

      I thought the “intervention” was hokey, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that maybe it is just what Santana needed. I also don’t think it was public. She was surrounded by her friends. There weren’t any outsiders. The intervention was good. If you’re going through what she’s going through you probably do need to sit down for a second and look around at all the people who care for you, even though you have been vicious to them. Question why you behave this way. Feel more free to change.

      I think that she is the only character who would need an intervention like this because repeatedly telling her that it’s okay to be gay has never worked for her. She finally sees it and believes it. It’s embarrassing, yes, to have Shu and Rachel’s mom there (this isn’t any of his concern since they’re not in her peer group) but the kid’s hearts were in the right place.

      “Instead, the entire scene and number was played totally straight. The fact that no one even thought to mine the moment for comedy and instead went straight for pathos is, to us, the most damning thing we can say about the state of Glee right now. It’s become preachy and takes itself too seriously.”

      I have to respectfully disagree with you there. I don’t think this should be played in a “funny” way if we are supposed to accept Bieste as a woman who should be taken as seriously as any other woman despite her size, shape, and demeanor. I roll my eyes just about every time Bieste gets near the mic but this time, I identified with her with Joleene. I can’t say I care for her character or am invested in her future, but after that song I am on her side. Why? I am overjoyed that Sue’s focus has momentarily shifted from being about destroying the glee club/arts program to keeping a woman’s hands off her Cooter lol!

      Every week I read you guys’s Glee post and hope that you were pleased, but almost every week you point out that the show has changed from the first season and the character development or plot is not believable to you. I don’t think we should expect the writing to go back to season one or for there to be any consistency from this point forward. Shows change over time. It is what it is.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Ha, all I could think was that was the same place an old friend came out to my best friend and I in high school — in the car.  Of course, we didn’t almost die… in fact, I believe our response was something along the lines of “and what did you want to tell us?”  ‘Cause honestly, we would have been more shocked to find out he WASN’T gay.

        • RocknLox

          That made me LOL! 

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            The really funny part was his reaction — he was offended that we weren’t reeling with shock.  I think he would have preferred the near-death experience:)  We actually did have a fight when he came out, because he wanted us to have not known before he told us.  “I had a GIRLFRIEND.”  Yeah, most gay guys do at some point….

            • RocknLox

              HAHAHAHAHA! He was probably like, “When did you guys figure it out?” And you were like… “Sometime between now and your ultrasound.” 

    • http://twitter.com/Goldielox73 Goldie

      I didn’t feel like the Glee club was forcing Santana out of the closet.  The ad Sue’s opponent was about to run did that.  Santana was going to have to tell her parents before they saw it on TV.  The Glee club was just showing her that they were there for her and love her no matter what.

      I don’t think there needed to be any humor in the Bieste situation.  If she more experienced at dating, seeing her and Sue go head to head over Cooter could have been funny.  But, she’s not and I don’t see where they could have injected any humor in her hurt feelings.

      Brittany was running on a platform of ridiculous, unachievable campaign promises.  Her giving away Pixie Stix doesn’t seem out of character at all. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=713709401 Randy Noak

      I actually kind of liked Finn’s number and that’s saying a lot coming from me considering the fact that I hate that character with the burning intensity of a thousand suns.

    • Anonymous

      “Hugs solve everything in the world of Glee.”

      Danny Tanner would be so proud.

    • Anonymous

      Wait — Rachel was expelled? Expelled is pretty serious. Why was she expelled?

      • RocknLox

        I thought she was suspended and not allowed to sing in sectionals next week… expelled? 

        • Anonymous

          Suspended for one week. Not expelled.

    • Miss Perceptive

      I couldnt agree more.

      And what was with that horrible half sweater thing they had Kurt wearing?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3AJ237ND3GAHDQJZ4TLCO4WLRA Emily

      I agree – but I enjoyed Bieste’s “Jolene”.  A great song!

    • Emily Scott

      I liked this episode for the most part, and the music is what made it for me. A few things:

      – While Santana’s coming out was indeed tied up too quickly/neatly, I can -somewhat- buy her experience vs. Kurt’s because of the ridiculous double standard in how society approaches gay men and (attractive) lesbian women. They drove that home with the disgusting  and predatory creep who approached Santana in the hall. It was nice that the other girls came up and stood up for her, but I would have also liked to have seen them turn him in for sexual harassment.

      – I really loved Finn’s interpretation of “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun”. When arranged and performed in that way I felt it gained a new and interesting tone; a little more like Madonna’s “What it Feels Like For a Girl”. Plus I really dig it when Glee puts a completely new spin on a well-known song, like Artie’s “Dancing With Myself” or Kurt’s “I Wanna Hold Your Hand”.

      – I am disappointed that “I Kissed a Girl” was what the girls sang as the big empowerment song. Besides the fact that it’s way too obvious, I think it actually belittles Santana. She’s not just playing around with something she thinks will be fun. She’s struggling to be accept and be accepted for her sexual orientation. I will give them this, though: as with all of the Katy Perry songs on this show, the Glee cast did it way better than the original.

      – I LOVED the “Jolene” sequence, and I thought it was very funny. It looked like it was totally played straight on the surface, but pairing the words with the visuals was hilarious, and even a bit subversive. I actually thought it managed to be earnest and absurd all at the same time.

      – I did laugh several times, most notably during the election scene, where we saw turnout for the school election next to the “real election”. That felt, for a moment at least, like Glee returning to it’s old form.

    • Lori

      This was possibly my least favorite episode.  But I did love “Jolene” and I felt it was somewhat played for comedy. 

      Nothing else to add to yours and others’ comments except that they’re running down the clock on Damian McGinty’s seven episodes in the lamest way.  Have to wonder whether he just couldn’t learn to act or they were always planning to keep him around longer than seven, and I hope i

    • Anonymous

      As usual, I hated the episode – and for most of the reasons you pointed out. My addition, though, is (1) Naya is SO not 17 that I couldn’t buy a moment of the Kids-Giving-Her-Life-Advice thing. (2) Seems to me that in making Kurt all gay-comfy and flamboyant (FAR too much so for Lima, Ohio), they have completely emasculated him. He wears ludicrous swonchos and studded scarves and, other than Blaine, seems to interact almost completely with girls. He had no part of the boys’ song to Santana (not even the fake-harmony lip-synch Harry Shum is so horrible at), but he had a poignant line in the ladies” rendition of “Constant Craving”. Huh? The guy can be a gay boy and NOT be a girl, writers! For what it’s worth, to me, “Girls Just Wanna” was the most creative thing they’ve put out in ages. Nice twist, thoughtful choice.

      • Anonymous

        Swonchos?  Perfect word for those strange things he was wearing!  I love it!

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      OK, last post.
      Maybe those of you who watched the show a teeny bit more carefully than I (and have been in school more recently) can answer:

      Isn’t the quadratic equation used in algebra? If so, why is Puck taking algebra? Didn’t Artie tutor him in geometry in a previous season? And did I not see Artie and Mike in the same class? Why would Mike be in the same math class as Puck? Again, maybe I only think I saw them but I definitely saw Tina- sleeping1 Miss A+ average sleeping in class? A non-advanced math class?
      And if it is an advanced class, again, WHY IS PUCK THERE?

      WTF? Consistency please!

      • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

        I was wondering the same thing about how Puck and Mike could both be seniors in the same math class.

      • http://twitter.com/Goldielox73 Goldie

        It’s been 20 years since I graduated so I may be a little fuzzy on this but:  When I took Geometry, there were both juniors and seniors in the class.  We also had an Algebra III/Trig class.  Alg. I and II had to be taken Fresh and Soph years but the upper math classes could be taken either year.

      • http://phdoula.blogspot.com Rebecca

        Tina’s sleeping because she’s already memorized the material? ;-)

    • Heather Dent

      I was screaming my outrage during “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun”–such a mayonaise sandwich of a guy sucking all the life out of such an energetic GURL anthem. I actually wondered if they were supposed to be making a parallel between the song and his relationship with Rachel; that his ineffective mayonaise sandwich-ness is holding Rachel back–“hid(ing) her away from the rest of the world.”

      To answer TLo’s question about laughing out loud: Yes, at Kurt’s silly asymmertrical one-sleeved turtleneck poncho thing.

    • http://www.hilonwheels.blogspot.com hilonwheels

      All very good points. I couldn’t help but thinking I was on a roller coaster myself, wondering why it felt so oddly paced. My view of coach Bieste is that they’ve pretty much written her earnestly, except for her introduction where is was making odd analogies. So I wasn’t really expecting them to mine comedy gold there. But yeah, definitely too preachy.

    • http://www.hilonwheels.blogspot.com hilonwheels

      All very good points. I couldn’t help but thinking I was on a roller coaster myself, wondering why it felt so oddly paced. My view of coach Bieste is that they’ve pretty much written her earnestly, except for her introduction where is was making odd analogies. So I wasn’t really expecting them to mine comedy gold there. But yeah, definitely too preachy.

    • Anonymous

      Why is Kurt dressing like a clown this season? Did he always dress in such unbelievable clothes?

    • Now I am The Bee

      I didn’t see it.  I watched Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer instead.  Sounds like an hour with the Rankin-Bass stop-action puppets–even in washed out color and a wavy soundtrack–was much more fun than this.

    • Anonymous

      I have to say I really enjoyed Santana’s version of k.d. lang’s Constant Craving but I full on love that song anyway. That and Jolene were by far the only enjoyable (and logical) parts of the show. The rest of it was just plain embarrassing. I think we’ve lost funny Glee forever.

    • http://twitter.com/kphamalama Kim

      I only watched glee last night was to see a jason yang cameo~

    • Anonymous

      If they were going to do something as obvious as a song called I Kissed a Girl for Santana’s coming-out episode, couldn’t it have been the Jill Sobule version from the ’90s?  Speaking of obvious, I had to laugh at the fact that KD Lang and Melissa Etheridge were both represented last night.  I guess the Indigo Girls and Tegan and Sara are too obscure for Glee.

      I really want to hear about Britney’s term as student body president, but I can see the show dropping that plotline now that the election’s over.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Poor Jill Sobule. Hers was such a great song, Katy’s not so much. 
        Constant Craving (while still not suited for Santana’s voice) could have been used in a better way. As one of those internal monologue songs, before she came out. But the way it was used here… I cringed when I heard the opening.

    • megan howard

      I think the CREEPIEST thing about this show is the infantalized Coach Bieste. I mean, I get what they’re trying to do.. but they’re trying so hard to show how despite her tough exterior she’s looking for love and blah blah blah but it just comes off horrible and weird like she’s a 13 year old girl in a grown woman’s body. And throwing Sue into her whole romantic situation.. total curve ball and not at all in a good way.

      I DID like Finn’s Girls’ Just Wanna Have Fun, although it was only marginally related to the “assignment”; until I realized that Finn was covering a cover I thought that it was one of the better things they had done on the show. Now not so much. Surprised they haven’t done a cover of the “Hey Ya” cover yet.
      And I really hate that they did “I kissed a girl” right after their big “IT ISN’T A CHOICE!” speech because that is one of the more trivializing songs about LGBT relationships (if you will) and I’ve long viewed Katy Perry as one of the pop stars who is MOST trying to profit off of Pride. I guess largely, but especially in this episode, I find all the characters totally boring. I was interested in where Santana’s story was going, but after today.. pfft. I definitely think the show in general is moving away from comedy-musical to comedy-teen-drama that takes itself waaaay to seriously.

    • Anonymous

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0w_nPe8bVw   Learned today that Finn was note-for-note covering this guy’s cover. Now I get it. No way did Finn/Cory come up with that. (I sorta liked it, even though it made less than zero sense in the moment. It’s just the nicest Cory’s voice has ever sounded to me, which isn’t saying much since I almost hate his voice.)

      Disgusted by the use of the Katy Perry song.  Embarrassed that a show helmed by gay men can’t hear the lyrics of that song and instantly know it’s wrong for illustrating the appropriate point.  Then again, they often choose their songs by title and ignore the lyrics. (the kids singing “My Life Would Suck Without You” to Mr Schue after their first trip to sectionals, anyone?)

    • Anonymous

      Ugh, this episode made me so uncomfortable/annoyed, starting with the HORRIBLE idea of the intervention.  And word on all the music numbers, from the inappropriateness of That Damn Katy Perry song for this episode and the deeeeply creepy “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun.”

      The thing that bugs me the most about this whole stupid Kurt plotline isn’t only a Glee problem, but I hate the trope that he has to get into this ONE school or work at the Lima Sonic.  Dude.  A dream school is one thing, but what the fuck logic is that?  (A decent number of performers I know think they did better coming out of a strong theater program from a university or college than an arts school anyway.)   Schools in New York.  Arts schools in Boston and Chicago.  It’s just such a stupid idea and I don’t get why so many shows buy into it (other than the adults on the show are all incompetent as education professionals.)

      Also, I KNEW people would be cheering at Puck calling Quinn selfish, and I winced.  Girl is SO messed up, and this season it really jumps out at me that neither Mr. Soft and Fuzzy Schu, nor Emma, nor ANY goddamn adult has bothered to even check in with her.  I tend to have baggage about adoption plotlines, but this one has just been super-obnoxious.  Quinn needs help, and treating her like a batshit villainess so we can get more boring preachiness from Finn and Klaine is really, really irritating.  So, yeah, Puck’s heel-shift-turn from getting it into idiocy grated there, too.

      I don’t think Kurt’ s outfits have registered quite as strongly with me as with other viewers, but WTF was that poncho thing?  Santana was right on about Blaine’s gel and bow-ties, but seriously, how was that thing Kurt was wearing something that exists in the world?

    • http://twitter.com/Bellaboo1605 Tiffany Painter

      i cant even believe the ridiculous comments here about GJWHF being a good choice…coz u know its not as if its degrading, insulting and not at all appropriate or anything,…nope not at all.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RHLSUVX3NCPB4OSS5BM7GZIXUE P. Capet

      i thought this was the horrible-ist ever.  sanctimonious crap.  awful awful.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah…Rachel would NEVER risk her own future/a chance to perform.

    • Anonymous

      Also: Santana’s grandma…closet lez? I’m calling it now. 

    • http://twitter.com/ShelfAfterlife Shelf Afterlife

      First season:  Watched every episode.  Second Season:  Watched some episodes.  Third Season:  Haven’t seen an episode.  

      No regrets.  I’m done.

    • http://twitter.com/anacedillo Ana Cedillo

      yeah i just thought it was wayyyy boring and i fell asleep half way. they need to go back to funny glee not melodramatic crap theyve got going now. i rather watch a glee with less social issues.

    • Anonymous

      this was a real trainwreck of an episode, boring and problematic and worst of all, not funny. i for one was glad they resolved the congressional election offscreen, since it was such a non-starter anyway. besides, everyone knows there’s no election themed songs to be packaged and sold on itunes. But there’s plenty of xmas songs on the horizon! as for santana’s storyline, ‘what was the point?’ to echo rachel’s sentiment from the mash-up episode of ‘you and i/you and i’. i guess it was too much to hope they’d cover white stripes  ‘i fell in love with a girl’, but something’s happened that hasn’t in awhile, i haven’t bought a single from itunes for this ep. watch out baboons!

    • aragornluvr15

      My only laugh out laugh moment was seeing Vladimir Putin on Sue’s list of booty calls.

    • http://twitter.com/thisiscarlijn Carlijn Kruidhof

      I have been lol’ing all season :D I love Glee’s sense of humour. Anyway I felt that there were too many plot developments, there should have been more attention for Santana and her coming out.

    • Miriam Vines

      I was way too focused on Santana’s grandmother’s kitchen being Constance’s kitchen from American Horror Story to even pay attention to what was going on in that scene.

    • Anonymous

      Puck calles Quinn selfish. Did he carry Beth for nine months?   Did he get put out of his home when his mother ( his father was absent from the home) found out he would be a parent?   He took Quinn to his mother’s house to his mother financial support.
       
      Why did he feel the need to tell Qinn about Shelby?  For the same reason he told Finn about Quinn.  You didn’t do what I wanted, or thought you should do for ME! ME! ME!!!  

      Quinn suffers from guilt.  Where is her mother?  On a religious weekend cruise.  Quinn should have stayed with Mercedes and her mother.  She would have been able to keep her baby.

    • Anonymous

      Kurt is dressing more and more like Miss (not MS.) Marple.  This is not England pre or post WWII.   Getting back to Puck,  he wants what he wants, when he wants it.  That is not just a joke lead in.   

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think we actually saw Puck tell Quinn that he slept with Shelby… unless I blacked out (damn casual merlot tuesdays!)… but I think we are only supposed to assume that he did (get it? because she gave Shelby the stink eye!) and it will later turn out that he had told her something else. Perhaps that he was angry because Beth fell? Quinn is so unbalanced at the moment that just might be enough to get her angry all over again and perhaps Puck feels rejected enough to help her…

    • Anonymous

      You have a fellow plaintiff in me at suing Murphy. With this and American Horror Story, we have an exceptionally strong case.

    • Anonymous

      I agree on parts, mostly with the show is not funny anymore. I loved that about it. That said, when it was funny people were all over the blogs complaining they did not take anything serious and they were serious issues. So you can not have it both ways.

      I thought the songs and numbers were good and glad to see them with more of them. It has been coming all season that Rachel would not be at sectionals. The 2 previous seasons she had 2 or more numbers every episodes, she has been seated ALOT this season.

      The Puck and Shelby storyline is terrible idea wise, but I see why they are doing it.

      I am enjoying the show just as I have always done. If you are not a fan and do not enjoy, change the channel?

    • http://www.fatladysings.us/ TFLS

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      I agree completely on the intervention
      part.  Kids know what is safe for them and what is not.  No
      one on the outside has a clue – not really. Years ago I was forced to see a child psychologist because I was getting debilitating
      migraines with no organic base.  Of course I knew why I was
      getting them.  My home life was a shambles – not to mention
      dangerous as hell.  I think the only reason my parents agreed to the
      psychologist was the doctors insisted on it.  They didn’t want to be outed as abusers; not that they
      ever openly acknowledged what they did as abuse.  I was only 10.  The
      psychologist wore me down.  I trusted her (she promised she
      would never reveal to my parents I’d ‘told’ on them).  As soon
      as she heard what I had to say – she marched into the waiting room
      taking them publicly to task for what they were doing.  Well.  I knew what was coming.  I was
      marched out of there tuit de
      suite – told in no uncertain terms that I wouldn’t
      survive another telling.  I believed it.  So I kept my mouth
      shut, leaving when I was legally able.

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      No one followed up the psychologists
      report (if there was one) because it was the 60’s. What went on in a
      home was considered sacrosanct. A kid had to be almost killed before
      anyone intervened.  I’m not even sure there was a child
      services back then.  There certainly were no public service announcements
      begging people to call if they saw a child being brutalized.  Anyway…my
      point is: don’t force a child into a decision like that –
      especially if they say it could be dangerous for them. I told the psychologist
      what would happen if my parents knew I’d told anyone. She chose not
      to listen, and I paid the price. I know the situation with Santana
      was being presented as not threatening……but in real life, children are
      tossed out on their ears (or worse) for admitting they’re gay. An
      ‘outathon’ is just way beyond. She could have ended up on the streets.
      Speaking of which….nothing was really covered on what happened to
      Quinn with her parents. We assume she was accepted back as soon as she
      had the baby….but would it really have been as easy as all that? I
      know, I know – it’s just a show. And I usually like it very much. Just some
      things hit a nerve – and this one pushed a few of my buttons.

    • bloodshothalfblind

      this show hasnt made me laugh in a long time.  also, the whole shelby/puck thing is gross & id love it if they would let santana sing an entire song on her own, without shoe-horning in another character. most of the songs i just fast forward over now too.  is there any hope that this is the final season?  i cant take much more of this.

    • Anonymous

      Ryan Murphy is a dick. That is all.
      Well that and this…I am gay and out forever now and I want to throw a slushis in Blaine and Kurt’s face.
      Half Poncho half sweater…
      bow tie…
      weird wool body bag thing…
      anyone else notice that Kurt goes from the ridiculous swoncho while singin to a completely different outfit while seated?
      Who cares? I hate Ryan Murphy – he tells stories like a 5 year old.  

    • Mariah J

      Seriously I’m only still watching this show to see more great troubletones performances like the Adele mashup last week. I’m done. Plot doesn’t make sense, characters don’t make sense. Most of the musical numbers are bad (WTF was that Finn) or boring and under-utilizing the cast’s talent (Constant Craving)

    • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

      The best moment of this episode was Bieste singing Jolene, but you’re right guys, it’s just not fun anymore, and I’ve stopped caring about most of these characters.  In fact, I find myself hating several of them!  (esp. Rachel, Quinn)  In it’s first season, Glee was wonderful, but  now for the most part, I just don’t care.  Even my 14 year old is bored!
       

    • Anonymous

      This show is a mess.  They’re shoving too much into each episode and it’s just whiplash.  Also, I hated “I Kissed A Girl” because that song is all shallow fake lesbianism.  I would have loved to have seen the Jill Sobule song of the same name, which is a better song with far more substance but is still fun.  And, Sue and Santana’s constant cruel bullying continues with no consequences.  Good job, show.

    • http://twitter.com/IfIwasasculptor Erin Leahy

      no, I don’t.  It’s officially a drama.  How can the writers not realize that?