PR: Gaybirds

Posted on October 10, 2011

Darlings, we have to say we’re impressed with our commentariat. People often ask us*, “T Lo, how do you manage to find so many things to say about Project Runway day in and day out?” And the simple answer is, “We can pretty much run our mouths off on any topic that vaguely interests us.” But we’re hitting the wall with this season and find the process of pushing out PR posts to be more and more difficult. Not so with the Bitter Kittens. You bitches have been flogging this past episode to death all weekend in the comment section. We’re all “Ugh” on the topic, but we’ll do our best to satisfy your apparent insatiable need to find new ways to call Anya a manipulative bitch and Josh a headcase. Onward, as they say.

*Not really.

To make matters worse, we find ourselves in the unenviable position of agreeing with a lot of what Josh was saying this week, both in the episode, and on the After the Runway show (although not the part where he threatened to beat up Laura Bennett on the streets of New York). He was right when he said that Anya’s refusal to lend him any fabric revealed a lot about her character considering the insane amount of assistance she’s gotten in the workroom from the other designers and he was right when he said in the after show that she’s benefitting from the education that the more technically proficient contestants paid for. Still, you can pay as much tuition as you want…

… but you can’t buy taste. We suspected that the “PSYCH! You only have to show one look!” twist was devised partially to help him out because this dress was so horrifyingly bad there was no way the judges would have been able to avoid auf’ing him and let’s face it, the producers clearly have no intention of auf’ing the Number One Drama Queen of the season before they’ve milked as much out of him as they can. Regardless of whether our suspicions are correct, we think it’s safe to say no one benefited more from that last-second twist than he did.

And to his credit…

He really pulled himself together for his second look.


Not that we think he copied him in any way, but we thought Bert had a point when he noted that Josh essentially made a very Bert-like dress here: simple, classic, and beautifully draped in a very Halston-esque way.

Of course he had to tart it up Josh-style with that totally unnecessary and slightly tacky chain.

As well as that UTTERLY RIDICULOUS and totally tacky corsage.


And the hem was a little problematic.


Despite his sense of entitlement, we don’t think he really had a shot at winning it either way, but this look was a nice reminder that Josh can be a decent designer when he tones things down, even if he didn’t manage to tone it down quite enough.

Viktor, on the other hand, seems to have been infected with the Josh sense of tackiness and overembellishment. This was surprisingly awful.


We can’t even remember what his assigned bird was because the only thing we see when we look at this is “chicken.”

Things seem to have started off well…

But, like Josh, often does, he found one good idea…


And beat it into the ground. Yes, the faux feathers were a nice touch — or would have been if he’d only used about a third as many.


And it’s all so oddly one-sided. Not that we think he should have covered the other side with faux chicken feathers; just that if he’d used them more sparingly, it wouldn’t have looked so off-balance. He’s been knocking out killer looks for several challenges in a row, so he was bound to fall some time. We wonder if he got too hung up on the fact that Kimberly was making a very similar dress and on some level he knew hers was going to get the judgelove over his, causing him to overcompensate. Or overfeatherate.

 

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke/MyLifetime.com - Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

    • Anonymous

      Totally hated the shorts/panties/whatever under Viktor’s dress.  It’s a detail, but it’s the detail that killed the look for me.  Also, I did not hate Josh’s corsage as much as some people did.  I thought it pulled the eye away from his truly wonky hem.

      • Anonymous

        Yes!  I thought the granny panties were more off-putting than the excessive feathers.

      • Anonymous

        I also didn’t hate the corsage. And am wondering if Viktor may have intended for the shredded chiffon/feather application to go all the way around the skirt, obscuring the actual “pantie” line and leaving the skirt with an opaque top slowly grating into sheer. 

      • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

        I didn’t mind it so much either, but taking a second look at it I think the corsage was a little big and a little sloppy as well…. 

      • Anonymous

        I don’t really understand the hate for the corsage, either. If he didn’t have it, I just have a feeling he would have been blasted because it needed something there.

        • Anonymous

          Sue me, but I actually liked the corsage. I agree that had Josh not had some kind of detail there that the judges would have commented negatively about that. 

          As for Viktor, I understand that he wanted to showcase the technique he used for making the chiffon(?) feathers, but he did go very literal with his design, and the judges don’t want to see a design that is so literal.  And the granny panties? NOT a good choice.

        • Anonymous

          I was just checking out the final collections again, and Josh used the same design as his first look – but it’s in purple and no corsage.  It really does look quite plain without something of interest on the front.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NNAIG6A25HOPJWIU7J6S6S3GUA p

        I get the feeling that the granny panties thing is derived from the Gucci fall 2011 collection: http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2011/02/gucci-fall-2011-collection-2.html
        That being said, rendering the panties in white doesn’t work.

        • Anonymous

          I see what you mean.  But in the Gucci collection, the panties are explicitly part of the design — here, it seems more like he wanted to line the skirt, but didn’t have enough fabric or something.

    • Lynn Landry

      plucked chicken more like it.

    • Kim Sheehan

      When I watched the epi on the telly, Viktor’s feathers didn’t look nearly as yellow. I don’t hate it as much as you guys did, and I also didn’t like Kimberly’s gloating. What a group!

      • Anonymous

        Right there with you. I really wanted Viktor to win over Kimberly’s breast-feeding dress.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, why has no one mentioned the saggy drape down her cleavage on that dress? I couldn’t believe the judges not only didn’t mention it, but then praised it!

      • Anonymous

        Yes, as much as I have like Kimberly so far, her gloating kind of pissed me off. I can understand that after all the bad luck and wrong turns in the workroom, she was relieved to have pulled it off. But to pretty much copy Viktor’s silhouette and then blame him for the hot glue gun? Not happy with my little missy right now. (Sorry, my mom-ness rears its ugly head sometimes.)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4AZYKFDGYZTFQJML25GU4RJBUQ Anh-Thu

          In Kimberly’s defense, the blaming-on-Viktor was a joke. She started off with “It was a hot glue gun burn,” but decided to be funny in the middle with “Viktor burned my dress!” Viktor was gracious enough to play along.

          • Anonymous

            The more I think about the glue gun comment, did Kimberly acknowledge it was a glue gun to the judges or say it was a hot iron? It was her glue gun, but I’m thinking she quipped it was Viktor’s hot iron to the judges.  Interesting–is she trying to hide her use of a glue gun to the judges? Or am I just really trying to make this season more interesting to myself…

        • Sobaika Mirza

          She was kidding about the hot glue gun.

          • Anonymous

            I so did not get that. I didn’t think she was angry with him, but I didn’t realize she was teasing. Then again, I play a lot of iPhone Boggle and sudoku when I watch this show…

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            Definitely. She had to have been kidding. Viktor’s too sensitive to go along with it if it weren’t a joke.

            • Anonymous

              I’m not sure how to take it. I stated in an earlier thread that it sounded like they were siblings. “What happened to your dress?” “VIKTOR!” Viktor: “Huh? Wha? No I didn’t do anything.” I think they have a good relationship, but don’t we have that part where Kimberly accuses someone of engaging in sabotage? I wonder if that was a preview that wasn’t shown (it was in the previews for the lost money episode). Or I wonder if she accuses one of the boys (maybe Viktor) of sabotage this week, and last week’s comment is a setup. Hmmmm….. me loves conspiracy theories (but I love Viktor more).

        • Anonymous

          It kind of bugged me that Kimberly was gloating, but she did acknowledge Viktor was a solid designer and seemed to be happy she beat such a good competitor which makes it more tolerable for me. I also think she was completely kidding about the glue gun since they were competing head-to-head. I really assume the judges understood the gist of this as Viktor went along with it too without any apparent anger. It can’t happen again though–that would completely bug me :)

          • Anonymous

            That’s how I took the gloating. She was more happy that she did well when pitted against Viktor since he’s so strong.  If she could hold her own against him, then her downward slope may be leveling out. 

      • Anonymous

        She’s been one of my favorites this season but I was kind of turned off that she dared bristle and then fight against the mere suggestion that she copied Viktor’s design. My God those two dresses were nearly identical at first glance.

        • Adella Thompson

          No kidding! Considering how many time Viktor has been snubbed for the win, I don’t think he needed any putting in his place exactly. It was not my favorite of his efforts, but hers really was a little too similar to his dress (except with that horrible saggy boobage that I found frankly tacky as all get out) and I understand why he panicked and tried to distinguish his dress somehow. I don’t think she intentionally copied his look, but I have no doubt she was influenced by having been eyeing it the previous day while working on her other piece. 

    • Anonymous

      Yes I genuinely liked Josh’s dress. Not quite good enough to win but still very pleasant overall. Also it gave us a classic Kors comment-”I’m an orange kind of guy”

      I still have little sympathy for the boy. He clearly has his good side since so many of the other designers have come to his defense but he still come across so immature and deluded to me. He does have talent but for him to boldly claim he has a high fashion taste is kind of sad. And his behavior with Laura shows how defensive he is and how poorly he deals with confrontation

      Josh: There’s a reason you’re struggling as a designer. After watching your runway collection at Fashion Week, it’s clear you’ve learned nothing from your time on the show

      Victor has done much better in the past. Yes he should have kept the feathered treatment above the waist. His dress may have been better made but I didn’t like it as much as Kimberly

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HREPOWNBVUBRIVPQCF3ST2IKDM Euphory

        This is not directed toward you.  It’s just a thought:  why are people so easily and willing to forgive Josh and Bert, who had quite a few nasty moments, and unwilling to forgive Olivier for saying a huge guy is “big”?

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I would have been willing to forgive him except for the following:

          1) It wasn’t a question of just the comment being offensive, it also demonstrate Olivier’s clear inability to actually launch his own line.  A designer who will only allow models without opinions to be clients is not going to stay in business.
          2) Olivier didn’t just call a big guy big — he body-snarked his way through TWO CHALLENGES IN A ROW!  Including calling people “fatties” and saying that women shouldn’t have opinions about their clothes if he was designing them.
          3) His failures were ALWAYS someone else’s fault.  The avant-garde challenge?  The artist’s fault, because he doesn’t like bright colors.  The wife challenge?  Her fault for having boobs.  The Sheepdog?  Ewan’s fault for not being model-sized. 

          • http://inkblotphotography.blogspot.com/ Cate

            agreed, agreed. Olivier pissed me off because he went farther than having a preference: he demanded that everyone fall in line with said preference and if they didn’t they weren’t cut out for fashion in his eyes. IT just shows that he’s small minded and could never make it in the real world.

      • Anonymous

        “I’m an orange kind of guy” – ROFL….. yes you are Mr. Kors….. orange & black – perfect for Halloween!!

    • Sobaika Mirza

      I kind of liked the chain – added something different to the drapey-drapey. But that corsage!!! It truly does hurt the eye.

      It kind of looks like a radish garnish put on the side of a plate when grandma’s trying to class up a homecooked meal for company.

      • MilaXX

        I preferred the chain over the corsage.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=527150091 Pat Biswanger

      The hem on Josh’s homage to Bert was simple unforgiveable . . . or at least it would have been, without producer interference.

    • Anonymous

      I liked Josh’s and thought he should have won. I don’t even mind the corsage. I do mind the hem, but the judges have overlooked a lot worse errors than that( including a number of winning and placing garments this season).
      I didn’t hate Viktor’s dress either. His big mistake was making  it a farty old gown length.  He should have made it short. No belt. And maybe even more frou-frou. It would have still been to “birdy” for the judges , but I would have liked it more.

      • Deana Grenberg

        Maybe you can answer this for me, SewingSiren…I sew a lot, but I don’t know how to drape.   Is it THAT hard?  I mean, the dress was fine, but the judges fawned over it like it was a serious accomplishment.  i know Josh can sew (certainly can bang out a circle skirt…), but was this really the virtuoso piece they implied?

        SixGables

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          It depends on what fabric you’re using and what you’re trying to achieve with it.  Honestly, I don’t find Josh’s draping all that impressive.  Lovely, but not so overwhelmingly hard as to warrant the praise it got.  Especially since there was NOTHING else to that dress.  It wasn’t like he had really great draping elements in an otherwise very complex gown. 

        • Anonymous

          Like most skills, whether it is difficult depends on how much experience you have in doing it. It is not difficult to arrange a nice drapy piece of fabric on a dress makers mannequin and make it look good, but to actually realize it in a wearable garment  , is requiring much more skill and practice. I do think that Josh has worked very hard to achieve the level of skill that he has. I would say of the remaining designers, only Viktor has worked harder.

          • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

            I have to chime in to agree with your assessment.

          • Anonymous

            But no one drapes like Rami!

            Thing is, I didn’t see a reference to the parrot when I looked at Josh’s dress. I saw it, marginally, with Bert’s, but not with Josh’s at all.

      • Pam Winters

        Reading this and thinking of hitting “like,” I realized that I can’t even remember who won the damn challenge. That’s how f’ed up this season is. (And how f’ed up my memory is.)

        Oh, yeah–Anya and the “quoth the judges, evermore” dress. I do think that it should have won, but Josh’s really impressed me as well.

        • Connie Harbor

          D’ya think Anya would have won had the judges realized there was no way out of (or into, for that matter) that dress without scissors, needle and thread?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KQSWLY2RUE3HAOERJI7HHORJJQ Debby Barbero

            Sadly, yes I do.  There is nothing short of murdering Victor on screen that she can do to lose this.

            • http://twitter.com/Beezelbubbles Bubbles

              Oh please, even then the judges would still be all over her. “She really went out of her comfort zone there!” “Can you believe this is the first time she’s killed someone? But the way she draped that noose? Fantastic.” “I know if I get murdered, that’s the way I want to go.”

          • Anonymous

            or got their memories fixed and realized it was a poorly-executed copy of Viktor’s Nina dress but with a bad pin in the middle.

          • Anonymous

            To be fair, I’ve seen a lot of last minute sewing-into-clothes in other seasons. Maybe not as extensive as this dress, but if it looks good on the runway I don’t remember it being an issue. The criticism has come when the garment (sewn,, properly fastened or glue-gunned) looks unfinished from several feet away.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

            Yep, contestants have done it on several seasons and MK and Nina stopped calling them on it back when the show left Bravo. It used to be a big no-no, much the way that they used to call the designers on using glue and pins. Now there’s hardly any mention of the construction at all – just whether the design is good or not. Which, I think, is why the skill level of the sewing has gone so far downhill; the focus on the drama has allowed them to have contestants whose overall skill level is lower, simply because they think the drama makes for good TV. That’s why Anya was allowed to be a part of this show, as well as Josh C.

    • Anonymous

      I understand Josh’s concept for that green and yellow thing, but the execution was hilarious.  The orange dress was better, but if it was all about the draping I would think the hem would hang better.  I did not understand the judges’ love for this dress, except that they need justification to keep him on the show and they think for some reason that we can’t see the outfits.  Viktor’s dress made the model look 30 pounds heavier than she is, and very very fluffy.  Never a good thing.

      On the after-show bitch session, where was Laura?  Did they say why she was not present and I missed it?  She is always talking smack about her colleagues, so she would have been a great addition.

      • Anonymous

        Bert said in an interview that she was around but not used in that episode

      • Anonymous

        I am wondering when the after-show was really filmed. I kind of got the sense it was shot quite a bit later than the episode was filmed (possibly after a subsequent episode?).  I am wondering if Laura had just been offed and wasn’t ready for prime time yet?

        • Anonymous

          I got the opposite impression: I sensed that it was filmed maybe three episodes back. The only reason I say this is because Laura Bennett was so weirdly stuck on Josh’s behavior from several episodes ago (and I have no idea why she can’t get off this thing where she says he thinks he deserved the $20,000 because he doesn’t have money — that was totally off. And she said it in her blog too. But I digress.) 

        • http://inkblotphotography.blogspot.com/ Cate

          I think it might have been earlier that day. I follow anya and josh on twitter and they tweeted a photo of them watching the episode together that night, and they were wearing the same thing they were on the show in.

    • Sobaika Mirza

      Also – I DIED when Josh began the episode by proclaiming he has a high fashion aesthetic. What the actual fuck. Design what you want but at least be a bit self aware.

      • Anonymous

        I actually laughed out loud when he said that.  He is so delusional.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          I laughed out loud too. I give him credit for giving us something to laugh about in this episode, even if it was unintentional on his part.

      • Pam Winters

        Oh, his aesthetic is high, all right.

    • Anonymous

      I see your point, TLo.  While I’m aware of the clumsy producer manipulation this season, it is hard to get excited about it.  My sense is that the talent level is not real high and I’m just not feeling like someone is getting robbed.

      Thanks for soldiering on!

    • Anonymous

      Josh’s dress was a nice, simple, pretty dress. I didn’t even mind the corsage. I didn’t see the bird inspiration at all, but it was pretty. The draping is okay, but nothing to write home about (especially when you think of past contestents and their draping — Rami?). BUT if he is going to get in a snit about Anya’s construction, he needs a better hem.

      Victor’s? Oi.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t mind the chain so much, but I can’t say how much I hate that corsage.  Josh isn’t a bad designer, but the longer the season goes on, the more I think his niche is costumes and stagewear; not fashion.

      And Viktor, Viktor, Viktor… what the hell happened? 

    • Anonymous

      All I could think of when I saw Josh’s dress was how it looked like someone trying to do something out of his element.  Bad draping….that hem was godawful.  Looks even worse in pictures because as it was moving you didn’t see as many faults.  Alas, it was still the most tasteful thing on the runway….and that’s really really sad.

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      What IS the story about Josh’s hem?  Was it supposed to look like that? Or he just didn’t know how to make it look right? I am not sure he got his money’s worth with that expensive education.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Heh. He spent a boatload of money, that’s for sure.

        Seriously though, it could be that it’s something he was never able to master, e.g., I got out of cosmetology school without ever getting the hang of finger waves. Even though he had a reasonable amount of time to work on his second dress, I can imagine that the more time he put into it, the more frustrated he got.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

      I completely agree with the complaints about Anya. She got a lot of help. But the competition really does change as the number of contestants gets narrowed down. Someone always wins and someone always goes home, but this head to head challenge was very different from challenges earlier in the season. Helping Josh in this challenge would have been directly hurting Bert. Bert was out anyway, but imagine if Bert had been sent home as a direct result of the fact that Anya had helped Josh. People would have just been mad at her for a different reason.

      • Anonymous

        Good point—I never looked at it that way.

    • Anonymous

      Do not understand even tepid praise for Josh’s orange bath towel. The corsage was perhaps his secret weapon for keeping all eyes off that auffable hem. 

      • Anonymous

        Completely agree.  It’s just like something Bert would have made, except that Bert would have executed it perfectly and made it fit within an inch of its life.  As opposed to Psycho Boy, who, it seems from the previews, is still honked off at Anya in the next episode because his creation was overlooked for the win in favor of her dress.

        • Anonymous

          Geez, I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers were telling the judges to both keep Josh and praise his designs but keep awarding Anya the wins just so they could wring out more of the crazy from him.

      • Anonymous

        Oh they don’t throw people auf of PR for construction issues anymore! If they did Anya would have been out weeks ago and Kimberly would have been in the bottom. Oh I remember the days when it was all “the construction was terrible, but they had design, but the other dress…What were they thinking?!/ So boring!/whatever.” If you don’t have the personality your beautiful construction won’t matter in the face oh SPLIT PANTS! (No, I am not bitter. What do you ask?)

        • Anonymous

          They never had.  Remember Santino’s jumpsuit for Kara Janx that had the sleeve falling off on the runway?

          • Anonymous

            Lilithcat, you’ve made me nostalgic for seasons 2 and 3 of PR.  I’m even missing Vincent Libretti! What does that say about this season?

            • Anonymous

              Watching this season made me long for season 2 so much I bought it on amazon for $10 and marathoned it. Sure, there was bad construction and bad design, but they were so much more knowledgeable about fashion and that alone made it so much more enjoyable.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4300013 Jack Marquardt

              Vincent Libretti would have totally been a finalist in Season 9

      • Anonymous

        I agree, that thing is so shapeless as to be un-desgined. And that’s a good thing?

      • Anonymous

        A bath towel was exactly what it was. And the hem – absolutely dreadful.

    • Anonymous

      This is definitely the least interesting season in terms of actual design, and I keep watching simply out of habit. The obnoxious personalities are really not that interesting, and I find myself girding my loins, so to speak, before every episode. I have liked a lot of what Viktor has done, however. Chicken lady dress, not so much…

    • Anonymous

      What is it about the word bird that made all these people throw a shitload of feathers on their models? I mean, aside from the fact that birds have feathers, but you don’t need to be THAT literal. And I LIKE feathers, but I found myself gasping in horror more than a few times. Viktor’s poor model looks like an elderly chicken who is gradually losing its feathers.
      Josh’s corsage thingy was pure ugly, but I’m still in shock that he was able to limit himself to just that little cluser of feathers. I truly and honestly expected him to send his model out in head-to-toe feathers and a sequined beak.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        As is my custom while watching PR and being disappointed with the results, I had to sketch out a dress while watching which is what I would have done while there… Feathers were not included.  And I love feathers.  But I would have assumed using feathers on a bird challenge would ALWAYS be deemed too literal.

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: You only have to show one look!” twist was devised partially to help him out because this dress was so horrifyingly bad there was no way the judges would have been able to avoid auf’ing him”

      True, but remember, the producers kept Santino despite his attempts to put Sacha Cohen in a turkey costume – so the producers can do whatever they damn well please, regardless of the crapola flung down the runway. But their attempts to look less obvious only makes them look more obvious.

      –GothamTomato

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C65IT4K6RYN4TWRMFJOI3VUDAI Olechka Milashka

        remember the washer bikini?  

        • Sobaika Mirza

          I try not to.

      • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

        I would pay good money to see Sasha Cohen skating in Santino’s turkey costume.

    • Mariah J

      I don’t know why the judges fell all over Josh’s look. The only good thing about it was the color. Tacky things attached and not really that well made. Viktor’s mistake was using that awful yellow color instead of the peach (like the actual bird) and yes, too many feathers.

    • Anonymous

      Victor’s accusations of copying are getting old.  Dude, you did not invent the concept of a one-shoulder dress.

      • Anonymous

        True, as evidenced by other designers than Kimberly this week and certainly other weeks. But still, seeing her one shoulder white long dress come out after Viktor’s one shoulder white long dress (or was it the other way around) did make it seem like the designers were a little too much in sync.

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: We wonder if he got too hung up on the fact that Kimberly was making a very similar dress and on some level he knew hers was going to get the judgelove over his, causing him to overcompensate. Or overfeatherate.”

      On the other hand, I wonder if he just took a chance that the producers would use it as product placement for KFC — because if they had, this would have been the winner.

      –GothamTomato

      • Anonymous

        My husband does that walk in the room and comment on the dress on screen and he happened to walk in during Victors and promptly named it Aflac.

    • http://twitter.com/sariebee sariebee

      Tim told Viktor to cool it on the “feathers.” He didn’t listen.

    • Anonymous

      I, for one, do agree with Josh’s “threat” of beating up Laura Bennett, although I’m betting it would a verbal smackdown rather than a physical one.  Too bad, as LB definitely needs a whack or five upside her snotty fat head.

      I don’t agree that his second dress was anything… at all, other than a flashy toga party sheet getup on a model who needs to get herself to a dermatologist tout de suite.

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      Ha! Chicken is right! LOL. I also hated the mini skirt under the sheer long skirt BS on Viktors’ dress. That’s a fail 90% of the time for me. I couldn’t forgive Josh’s hem and I didn’t think it was particularly well draped in the front at all, but the back was better. I didn’t mind the corsage or the chain, although I’m not so sure about them in the same dress. Boy, that green dress was a monstrosity, though. Yikes!

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: Still, you can pay as much tuition as you want… but you can’t buy taste.”

      Yep, and in any arts program/school, there is only a small percentage who are there because they have a real and outstanding talent. The rest are there so the school can pay the electric bills.

      Josh would be the latter (degree and all).
      –GothamTomato

      • Anonymous

        Be careful GT, your comments about the worth of Josh’s design degree may spoil any light-hearted blog reading for him for evermore! ;)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      I think that Josh needed those little embellishments, otherwise his look would have easily slipped into boring. Just take away the chain and the corsage, and all you get is a short toga.

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this the fabric that Josh had trouble deciding on getting because it was the one color he wanted that wasn’t actually from the bird?

      • Now I am The Bee

        Sam–you are correct.  There is no orange on a Mexican red-headed parrot, which was to be Josh’s inspiration.  We have two of them–they are green red and yellow with grey underneath–no orange. 

    • http://twitter.com/madamesuggia Madame Suggia

      I’ll ‘fess up here and say that I’ve managed to avoid watching most of this season, subsisting only on various trailers, spoilers and previews and, of course, the brilliant commentary here. But am I totally out of line when I say that orange dress is basically a rectangle of fabric, draped & twisted ‘just so’ and secured with a chain? Seriously, a piece of cloth and a chain? I weep for fashion.

    • Anonymous

      I loathed Viktor’s dress. But he has been knocking it out of the park lately so I guess we can forgive him. Loved Josh’s dress, even the chain. (obvs no to corsage (hilarious) and hem (WTF?). The styling was great too. He is a hyperbolic narcissist but he did have a point re Anya, as TLo says. I am not sure how she can sit there with a straightface and rationalize not lending him fabric. Very impressive and sociopathic (Yes, I know I am using these psychological terms in a fast and loose way and purely for effect)..

    • http://phdoula.blogspot.com Rebecca

      Unless he was feverishly adding feathers in the last 4 hours, I don’t think he would have been overcompensating for Kimberly’s dress since she came up with her design so late in the game. I think his was misconceived from the start.

    • http://fafafab.tumblr.com/ fafafab

      Anya can be a lot of things, but to condemn her for denying some fabric to the most annoying living human being it’s unfair, it’s not a crime

      Josh has been nothing but nasty to everyone in the show, he’s bitchy, rude, conceited, tacky, self-absorbed, unoriginal… if I were Anya I would not only have denied the fabric, I would have ripped it to shreds right on his face, so you go girl!

      oh and he’s the one to talk about taking advantage from other designers, one of the challenges he “won” was based on an Anya’s design, and he keeps eying other people dress forms and take design elements for his own “creations”, so she may not have the technical skills, but the talent is there, she can pay a seamstress once she’s out of the show and still be successful

      • http://www.facebook.com/eujoyuen Eugenia Joyuen

        But consider this: Josh and Anya were virtually BFFs when the season started. Josh gave ideas to Anya from the beginning (he was the one who suggested her to dye her mustard jumpsuit). When Josh asked for help, Anya flat rejected to help him, and she was supposed to have a bit of grattitude, to him or anyone there. It’s not fair either to judge Anya for not helping, but dismiss that fact only because Josh is nasty, it doesn’t matter who is.

      • Anonymous

        Well, no, not exactly. Josh was nothing but nasty to Becky, frequently nasty to Bert, and occasionally nasty to Viktor, but otherwise no one seems to have much of a problem with him. In this very episode, Bert even said that they love each other now – granted, he delivered that line a bit like a hostage being forced to read propaganda. Prior to this episode, Josh had practically been the president of the Anya fan club – and she loved him back. In fact, he apparently gets on with a lot of the cast; I believe Anthony Ryan has said that Josh and Anya are his best friends from the show and Josh still spends time with other cast members (I think Olivier has mentioned that they sometimes watch the show together). Whatever his issues (and they are plenty), Anya never had a problem with him, nor, it would seem, did many other cast members. According to an account of a recent Q&A posted on Blogging Project Runway, even Tim has implied that he’s not the villain of the season*.

        Even if there is something telling about a person who had received that much help refusing to help someone, and there is, I don’t think it was necessarily wrong of Anya to do so – but let’s not pretend that it was out of some realization of his character flaws. She did so because of a string of Reality Show clichés about it being a competition. I’m okay with that, for the most part.

        * “The audience believed Josh M. to be this season’s villain, but Tim said that this season’s villain is someone we won’t expect (i.e. not Josh). He said it would be revealed later in the show.” Doesn’t that just make you feel good about the upcoming episodes?

        • Anonymous

          oh no.   Not another emotional roller coaster!   I can’t take it.  i’d finally resigned myself to all the contestants flaws and all — but seriously, please let this not be Kimberly.   I wuv her.

          • Anonymous

            I know.

            At this point, the only person who could turn into a villain and have that come as a surprise would be Kimberly.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Maybe Tim was referring to the judges/producers — they’ve definitely caused quite a bit of trouble this season! 

            • Anonymous

              or Viktor. :(

            • Anonymous

              Nooooo! I don’t want to have to think poorly of Kimberly.

        • Anonymous

          Where did you see Tim say that?

    • Anonymous

      I felt cheated that we didn’t get to see that big fat Napa cabbage dress that Josh designed walk the runway. The chicken and the fluorescent orange toga with the wonky hem did not make up for its lack.

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        Truly, if we are forced to accept this gerrymandered joke of a competition and unfinished troubled design, the least they can do is bring some fun crazy shit like cabbage dresses to make it less offensive.  I needed a good laugh after this fiasco and retreated to Chris March’s Mad Fashion; did the trick and had some laughter.  Does anyone else miss the silly spirited laughter? Mocking mean sarcastic laughter does not count.

    • Anonymous

      In every challenge this season, the designers as a group seem to take every challenge description or theme or instruction 100% literally. The word “inspiration” seems to be like someone “speaking foreign” to them. And so we get Viktor and his meticulously feathered chicken dress. Because, of course, if you are meant to be inspired by a white and yellow bird, you make a white and yellow dress with feathers.

      INSPIRED BY, designers.  Look it up, for God’s sake!

      • Anonymous

        Indeed! And while the designers are looking it up, the producers might want to, also. I’ll give them a hint: if you assign it to them, it’s not an inspiration.

      • Pam Winters

        Is this the least innately creative group ever to appear on PR? They’re either wedded to a single aesthetic (Dogblankets, the “Dolly Deadwood” chick, Anya, Olivivivier), easily paralyzed by challenges (Becky, Bert, sweet Anthony Ryan), or ticky-tacky. I feel like Victor and maybe Kimberly have a bit of creativity in them–and even then I might be giving Kimberly a pass ’cause she’s a fellow Marylander.  Crikey.

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t hate Josh’s corsage, not because I liked it but because the dress was enhanced by having a colorful anchor there. It could have been done differently (better?) but that’s what I *like* about the show is seeing the choices made – it’s not likely that I would have come up with something better.

      I liked Josh’s.

      I thought Victor’s gown was too voluminous for so many ‘feathers.’  If the skirt had been less voluminous (though NOT narrow, just full enough for movement) & he’d swirled the ‘feathers’ around the skirt (I think Sewing Siren mentioned that first) it’d have been up to his usual standards.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I would have gone with a small spiral-type broach out of feathers rather than the weird, tacky corsage if he wanted something to anchor it there. 

        • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

          Definitely something metal.

      • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

        See, if he nixed the hideous corsage and kept the chain, he could have used a gold choker or something from Piperlime (if there’s something decent on the wall). That would have looked better IMO.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with your first paragraph. I also thought the corsage was a better choice than the fleurchon that Angela would have created.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, if Viktor had toned down the ruffly feather thingies, this would have been a better look. I liked the idea and the technique, but I was disappointed at the final result. Josh’s look is kind of a “meh” to me. I like that he did a bright tropical color and didn’t slavishly try to re-create the bird’s coloring, but the hem, the corsage (although, I can see why he added that), and the chain knock this down a few notches from where the judges had it.

      My husband really liked the “psyche, you’re just showing one look” twist. He thought it might be realistic, in that if you’re lucky enough to get a meeting with a buyer, you might be told at the last minute, “Hey, they only have time to look at one or two things,” meaning you have to do some quick editing. I thought it was just sadistic and a dumb reality TV gimmick. Never thought about it as a ploy to save Josh’s bacon, although that idea is growing on me.

      • Pam Winters

        I figured the producers looked at the wreckage of the workroom–bad and/or nonexistent clothing–and decided they’d better do something. I didn’t think that it was designed to save any designer in particular, just to cover Bunim-Murray’s ass.

        (Say, now there’s a challenge they could do: “Cover Bunim-Murray’s ass!” Josh would probably use a collection of glittery tramp stamps.)

        • Anonymous

          I would love to take a hot glue gun to the producers’ asses.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

            With extra high temp glue.

            • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

              I’d like to use that seal stuff we put on arteries after a cardiac catheterization.

          • Anonymous

            I suspect many viewers of PR would like to join you!

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        After thinking about it, I remember that at this point in the challenges in previous seasons, the designers are pretty tired and played out and almost always disappoint the judges with the caliber of design they choose to show.  Perhaps they looked to mitigate that by changing gears at the end.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAU2WPKL2ACER2LYBBXMN4LBIY Anne

        One clue that it was planned all along is that Tim told them they would only have one model, and she would have to change. That sounded odd to me, because always when they design two looks, they have two models. When it was revealed they would only show one look, it made much more sense.

    • Anonymous

      Not that I am defending Anya whatsoever, but I found it funny Josh asked for any of her fabric. She was using blacks. It would have been very difficult for him to incorporate anything she (or Laura) had. As someone posted on Friday, it would have been better for him to combine his leftover fabric with muslin which was neutral.

      Also I never thought about the fact anyone tangibly helping Josh would be specifically acting against Bert. An interesting perspective. Granted it doesn’t change Anya’s behavior but it would have been interesting if that was her reasoning instead

      • Anonymous

        I’m not sure Josh wanted her black fabric. He just said something with ‘body’ and might have been referring to her donations from the week prior. 

        Either way, I hadn’t thought about the Bert angle either.  But in thinking it over I doubt anyone would have been upset with her.  I recall that Bert was the one that helped Anya in this challenge, giving her advice on construction and pointing out her model couldn’t get in our out of the dress.  So far as we know Laura wasn’t angry with him for it, or any of the other designers since Anya went on to win. But you never know!  They might all make those comments in the beginning of this week.   

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I don’t think they can use fabric from past challenges, so I’m pretty sure he meant her stuff from this challenge.  But even in the black, he could have used it underneath other fabric or something.  And he could have incorporated black fairly easily — it’s a neutral and there was nothing saying that you HAD to use only colors from the bird.  (See also: orange)

          • Anonymous

            You’re probably right about the fabric and he meant the black. 

            Also agreed he could have easily used it. Plus it Josh, I mean a little thing like the fabric color isn’t going to stop him from using what he wants.  :)  

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              If that orange was solid enough, he could have made the underpinning of the garment from it and put the orange on top.  Or he could have used it under to tone the brightness down a bit.

      • Anonymous

        Oh my God – can you imagine the monstrosity of what Josh might’ve produced with the black fabric and the orange fabric???!!!  I’m imagining an orange top like the one on the green and yellow garment with a black circle skirt.  I just threw up.

        • Anonymous

          Orange top + black skirt = Halloween?

          • Anonymous

            Reverse that color combo, put the black on top and the orange on the bottom and you have a male Baltimore Oriole in breeding plumage (yes, I’m a birdwatcher in my other life, and know things like this)

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        She had lots of other fabric that was given to her in the last challenge.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t recall Josh’s looking as bad as it does in these stills.  That hem is truly awful and the draping isn’t as elegant as I thought it was.  Problematic as it is, I like where he was going with this design and like it more than any of the other bird inspired looks. I love the color and think it’s vibrancy was the element that relates to the parakeet, even though the color was not to be found in bird.  I don’t mind the corsage as much as the majority…the shoulder needed something (not quite that though.)  I still think Anya’s wings and tail were too literal…the common complaint of the bottom 3. 

      Viktor’s…I liked the color combination, but feathers were way to literal.  He seemed surprised that he wasn’t on top.  At least Josh knew his green dress was a bomb. 

      • Anonymous

        I was surprised Viktor wasn’t on top too. I didn’t Luuuuvvv his dress, but it was very well made and interesting (granny pants and all) and although too literal, perhaps, was lovely. I certainly don’t know what the judges know, but I thought it was far better than Kimberly’s late to the dance one shoulder white dress. There is no way that what Viktor made was as much a bomb as the green monster that Vortex left in the sewing room.

        I agree on Josh’s dress. The color was sublime. But the stills expose its flaws leading me to question why Josh was surprised that he didn’t win.

        • Anonymous

          Well when you consider that he won a challenge for what was (essentially) Anya’s look, I’m not surprised  that he has an inflated view of what it takes for him to win. He gives the opinion that he is pretty entitled to me.

    • Anonymous

      As someone who has gone through fashion school, I really don’t understand how Josh can be so defensive about his work and unable to step away from it. Fashion school was pretty much a daily beat down, and you have to learn pretty quick how to take constructive criticism or you will not make it. He has to realize that no ones trying to hurt his precious feelings, they are trying to make him better.

    • Anonymous

      So disappointed Josh didn’t call out Anya on the runway for sewing the model into her clothes. His comment “something needs to be said” prior to judging was such a tease. Perhaps he thought he might win and actually shut up??I have kind of given up on fashion this season and wanted some drama in front of the judges.

      • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

        the thing is, I bet that’s quite common on Project Runway. She might be going a little far with it but I sincerely doubt she’s the only one. 

        • Anonymous

          Completely agree with you. I just somehow would feel better with some drama in front of the judges. Would also be curious to see their response. I honestly don’t know this season if they would smack-down Josh for calling out Anya or question Anya’s ability??

        • Anonymous

          Remember Season 2 when Santino hot glue gunned Kara into her jumpsuit and it was coming apart on the runway? And Uncle Nick was aufed. 

          • Anonymous

            Yup.

        • Anonymous

          I’ve definitely seen it in those last minute work room shots from other seasons (though I can’t say exactly by whom or how extensive it was without re-watching).

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps he did. The runway judging usually goes on a lot longer than the few moments between the judges and the designers  the viewing audience sees. The infamous “underwear – it’s supposed to come off”  shouting match between Nina and Santino supposedly went on for ninety minutes!

        • Anonymous

          Good point. Do this still have extended judging on-line? I might just have to check that out. Thx!

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            They do not have FULL judging panels online and never have.  I wish they would put up the full judging session and the full Tim critique session at least once — how interesting would that be.

            • Anonymous

              Yes, I would love to see the whole judging and Tim sessions–that would be very educational. 

            • Anonymous

              But we would likely see the judges’ true opinions and then the struggle to reconcile those (and their professional integrity) with the producers’ required outcomes – I doubt the producers would want the viewers to see that particular sausage being made.

            • Anonymous

              Where this reality show in particular disturbs me is in the concept of professional integrity. Does it no longer matter to these judges because they have sold out for so much money, more fame (or infamy), becoming a household name, becoming more of a celebrity??

              Or am I just naive, and the lack of personal integrity has become so commonplace that only a few of us even think to bring up the topic??

              I wouldn’t mind seeing Tom and Lorenzo weigh in on this. And discussions amongst the  kittens.

            • Anonymous

              For me, the tipping point will be Bryant Park. At some point, the organizers of New York Fashion Week will have to have the conversation (if they’ve not already) of whether the quality produced by PR contestants is up to snuff, and if they are willing to continue to have their name associated with the show. If that reward disappears, I would guess the motivation for most contestants to go through the paces on this show would as well.

            • Anonymous

              I wonder if the organizers of NY Fashion Week care much about PR. PR has got to be such a tiny part of that, and perhaps the organizers are willing to let Heidi, et al have their little bit of attention. 
              Do TLo, or anyone in the commentariat have any idea about whether or how seriously the larager fashion industry takes PR?

            • Anonymous

              How seriously COULD they take it?  I just assume it’s seen as good publicity for an industry often criticized as being elitist and out-of-touch (or simply ignored).  How ELSE could you get Fern Mallis, whose time during Fashion Week must be at a premium, to (at least sometimes) show up for the runway show?

            • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

              Not very.  For all the glamor, the exclusivity and the pretty, fashion shows are basically trade shows featuring designs from business owners.

            • Anonymous

              Tim used to blog about each designer, but he hasn’t done that for a while.  After the bit about crack smoking judges, the producers probably replaced him with a cylon, too.

    • Anonymous

      Okay, Miss Clinique Counter hurled a model in an orange Hefty bag down the runway. It’s a cloth sack with little to no fit, a heinous hem and Becky-home-ec-y flourishes, And the damn bird was green.

      But his second dress was FAR worse; it looked like it was made of green-dyed adult diapers.

      I guess the producers must really need him around to keep the drama flowing. That must have been Bert’s mistake; he got to know people and mellowed out instead of continuing to be crabby. Maybe Bert would have stayed longer if he had taken a a page from  Miss Clinique Counter’s play book and been a complete bitch.

    • Anonymous

      I kind of liked the chain.   It had that caged bird vibe to it that so represent what parrots have become.  One hardly thinks of them as wild birds in this country.   He should have left off that messy corsage.   Also the color bothered me a bit.   

      The only word that comes to mind when I looked at Viktor’s gown on the runway and again now when I see the photos is:  Bunchy.
      It just looks all bunched up.   There’s little flow.   And why yellow feathers?   He would have done better to look to the peachy tones of the bird.

      • Anonymous

        I live in San Francisco and there’s a band of wild parrots around Nob Hill – there’s even a documentary about them from a few years back. Happening upon them is a joy to behold. They’re very loud and clever and put on a show – in downtown San Francisco. Nature is so weird!

        • Anonymous

          There’s a group of parrots down in Hyde Park in Chicago as well. My friend used to live across from the park where they live. 

          • Anonymous

            In Pasadena/Altadena there’s a huge flock as well.  When I lived there, my neighbor had an almond tree and the wires would be lined with a 100 parrots until King Parrot arrived and got the first taste of fresh young almond.  When he was done eating, only then did the rest descend like The Birds and rip the tree to  shreds.

            • Anonymous

              I love these stories.

              Birds are fabulous.    I love everything about them. 

              Except, you know, the poop.  :p

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              I love birds as long as they’re hanging out at the birdfeeder or in my yard, on the fence, wherever. Birds do not belong in the house. Well, my house. If someone can deal with all the screeching, have at it. :-)

              Oooh! (off topic), we actually saw a red-headed woodpecker in the yard yesterday. It’s been decades since I’ve seen one in the wild, so to speak. He was here and gone so fast we didn’t have time to take a picture.

            • Anonymous

              I usually get a few woodpecker sightings at my feeders each winter. But in my experience they’re very skittish and will flee at any sign of a human nearby, so they’re difficult to photograph.

          • Now I am The Bee

            Hmmmmm I’d heard about the San Fransisco flock, and there is one in Brooklyn too, I guess, but I didn’t know about the flock in Hyde Park.  It gives me the idea that if I ever took our two parrots and “let them go by accident” (behind The Hubs’ back, as he just loves them…) that they could hook up with the Hyde Park flock and be ok.  OK–time for a road trip, birdies!  

          • Anonymous

            Feral monk parakeets, to be exact.
            http://www.chicagowildernessmag.org/issues/winter2003/monkparakeets.html

            As with just about anything in Hyde Park, they are often the source of controversy (rather like PR!):  http://monkparakeet.com/jmsouth/controversy.html

          • Anonymous

            They are Monk Parakeets. I was so excited when I got to see them in Hyde Park several years ago.

        • Anonymous

          I saw that documentary!  It was great.

          • Anonymous

            me too

        • Anonymous

          That is a fabulous documentary, loved it!

    • Anonymous

      I actually liked Viktor’s dress better than Kimberly’s. Even thought I don’t really care, I so want Viktor to win the whole thing!

      • Anonymous

        Kimberly’s design seemed like a stroke of luck, it was nice only if you squinted a lot. The work was atrocious. Don’t they even care?

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        I liked Viktor’s better as well.  She was given breaks on her look that he was not….. that curve again.

    • Anonymous

      I looked at both of Josh’s entries and felt sorry for the parrot.

      I originally felt bad for the owl for not being chosen, but after seeing all the crap on the runway decided he/she actually dodged a bullet.

    • http://twitter.com/MandySCG MandyJane

      I was feeling some pity for Josh this time around. He is a silly twit, but yeah, he was right about Anya. I hope no one ever comes to her rescue again.

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        She was shown asking Viktor for advice when designing her look.  He was the one who asked her where the zipper was.

    • http://twitter.com/shinobi42 Shinobi

      Would he have known what Kimberly’s dress was going to look like since she didn’t get to the final iteration until like 3 hours before the show?  Frankly I think he just got a little to into the whole “Bird” concept. 

    • Anonymous

      It seemed like the judges, as usual, over-praised Josh’s look.  How beautifully draped it was?  C’mon, it was a pretty colored toga with a crappy hem and a bunched up butt.

    • Anonymous

      I liked the corsage – it made me laugh, but in a good way. Without it, I think not enough of the inspiration would have come through. The chain was not necessary, and strikes a false note in my eyes. The hem needed to be discussed. On such a minimalistic design, every element has to be perfection, and that hem is not.

      Victor’s gown needed to lined the length of the skirt, or made short.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Josh’s dress was definitely better than Bert’s.  And I didn’t hate the chain — in fact, I liked where he was going with that idea, and wish he would have realized it better.  I do, however, HATE the corsage thingy. 

      Victor’s… well, it’s just rather unfortunate, and so very, VERY expected.  Victor is a very good technician, and he’s got some design skills, but I’d like to see more vision from him.  I don’t think he can really build a label with the kind of work he’s shown thus far.  (Which is not to say that he’s not still much better than a lot of this season’s contestants — they’re a sad bunch)

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        I think I’d like to see all his work together before I agree with you on this.  Also, remember that group challenge when Anya was on his team?  I think he did the cutting/pattern design on her piece as well as much of the construction in addition to his own even though she won. I believe she did the graphic design on the fabric (well, that was her job she did professionally for years).

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          That’s just it though — by this point, you shouldn’t have to look at it all together to be able to identify some sort of signature style.  (Though to be fair, the challenges this year have not lent themselves to building an identity as a designer.) 

          Think about Bert.  We know what his style is, without having to look back at his entire output together to get it.  The same is true of (and I hate to say this) both Anya and Josh.  For good or bad, we know what their looks are.  Josh is overblown and tacky, while Anya is the same damn beachy stuff in prints every week. 

          • Anonymous

            There are a few elements Viktor seems to use fairly often, in particular textured dresses (this one, his “avant-garde” dress, his New Balance dress, and his pet store dress) and structured jackets (his safari jacket, his motorcycle jacket), sometimes/often in combination, but, I agree, his “point-of-view” as a designer is obviously the least palpable and most elusive of the remaining few – hazy even compared to several already sent home. If someone knew only what he made on the show and was given pictures of each of the designers pre-show portfolios, I’m not sure they’d guess his correctly.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Exactly.

              I like to think that when left to his own devices, he has more POV — a lot people on this show do falter in demonstrating their POV while still meeting the challenge.  And I think he does have some really impressive skills, both in construction and in design. 

    • Pam Winters

      Part of Viktor’s problem, I thought, was the color. The coloring of birds is very delicate; what looks like the same nonwhite color can be a rich yet subtle feature on a bird and “dirty linens” on the corresponding dress.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDI2DLE7DE3YPW2ONIHBWOVHMA ecallaw

      And when Tim announced that only one look would go down the runway, Josh was actually DISAPPOINTED and seemed to struggle in deciding which dress to pick. Absolutely bananas.  Cray-cray.  And any other reality tv catch phrase that means out of his friggin’ mind.

    • Anonymous

      Josh’s dress was way too big on the model. The hem is also distracting.

      • Anonymous

        It looked like one of those gawd awful sack dresses from the 60′s…or maybe an old shopping bag from Burdines (that was their color) that was draped on top of the model.

        • Anonymous

          Your comment reminded me of the time, in the 60′s, when I got a last minute date, dashed to the fabric store, bought a pattern and the fabric, and 4 hours later, voila! I had my date dress, completely hemmed and finished. With set-in sleeves! Don’t recall if there was a zipper. And it was not a sack. LOL.

          • Anonymous

            I remember back in the 60′s my Mom got one of those sack dresses on a gay shopping romp somewhere which was the same shade and came with matching wierd hat that sort of looked like a London Bobby’s helmet.  She wore it out to some luncheon or other and my Grandmother (who was never at a loss for words) told her that she looked like a large papaya.

            I think the maid was given the dress and turned it into some bedspreads…

            • Anonymous

              or the potato sack haute couture dresses Ricky and Fred gave to Lucy and Ethel!

            • Anonymous

              Ha! Your Grandmother sounds like she was hilarious – as long as she was paying attention to someone else!

            • Anonymous

              She was totally hardcore – sitting there in a real Chanel suit with an unfiltered Camel in a long cigarette holder sneering at everything and everyone (except Grandpa who could do no wrong).  My cousin and I would have loved to have seen what she’d have done as a guest judge on this trainwreck…

            • Anonymous

              I’m holding this image of your grandmother in my memory-it’s absolutely delicious!

          • Anonymous

            I was never that fast, but I knew plenty of people who were. And it was not at all unusual to decide the wardrobe needed ‘a little something’ on Thursday and to wear it by Monday.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve completely given up on this season.  The level of talent this year is execrable and I can understand your pain at having committed to cover this nonsense.  The reason that Anya keeps winning challenge after challenge is that, despite the awful construction skills, she a) has a point of view b) has a level of taste and an ability to self-edit c) is smart, ruthless and single-minded (all traits I suspect are actually positives in the fashion-world).
       

      None of the others exhibit all of the above.  Despite the distressed chicken, Viktor comes closest on taste and single-mindedness but I still am struggling to see a point of view.  Josh has a point of view and the ruthlessness but absolutely not taste.

      If Anya is sensible she will some studying after this because I do think she is only one this season with a real, though raw, talent.

    • http://twitter.com/vintagegoddess just julie

      At least Josh’s model did not have to be cut out of her dress….

    • Anonymous

      I actually liked Viktor’s dress on the runway, but I agree with the criticism here about the lack of lining and overdoing the trim. But how clever to make fabric feathers. If Anya had done that, the judges would have called for her to receive a Nobel prize.

    • scottyf

      You know what’s really depressing about Joshua’s look?

      The fact that I can honestly say that I could make it. And I wholeheartedly think that I could do so in the same amount of time, and conquer the hem issues. I think I could say the same about re-creating and surpassing the looks of a good half of the designers this season. And I am only an intermediate tailor, at best.

      I have NEVER been able to say that before. I always regarded a majority of the designers as professionals–even if I didn’t like their aesthetic. Maybe this is what it always should have been, and I just got spoiled. But it isn’t very much fun watching shit go down the runway that I would have tossed in my remnants pile to be used in a much more desired, and better executed look.

      *takes another Midol, and shuts up*

      • Now I am The Bee

        I’m right there with you, Scotty.  I am just an amateur seamstress, and I could have done that dress in a snap–and even fix the hem.  In fact, I’ve felt that way about a number of outfits this season from almost all of the designers.   Which just goes ta show ya that the level of skill this season is certainly, as you said.  Sigh. 

    • http://twitter.com/starvewars Sal

      i don’t mind the chain and flower detail, it needed that texture and contrast. but i agree with all about the UGLY hem.

    • Anonymous

      Am I wrong, or was Josh’s model having a major break-out situation?  And Viktor’s model’s face says “Doing this show was a huge mistake.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2B6U4UNVYIV5DLEG6Z24ALYOC4 Dan Alexander

      I like Josh’s dress from the front, but the back looks like she took a dump in it.

    • MilaXX

      I think Josh is mad that Anya has out bitched him in a sense. Josh thought he could win with his drama queen antics and Anya has used her beauty queen manipulations.

      I would have liked Viktor’s a bit better if perhaps the feathers were just a shoulder decoration.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      I was loving when Josh was trying to “save” that first curtain sheers monstrosity. “I know what I’ll make—a circle skirt!” Of course you will, Josh. And every circle skirt needs a design element; he updated his with a leaf instead of the usual poodle.

      Egads! That corsage! I have a photo of my great-grandmother wearing that same damn corsage at Easter in 1969. The dress is chic-ish, but that corsage really adds 45 years.

      I sorta-liked Viktor’s—especially the “feathering” of the chiffon—but the end result was lackluster and, yes, chickenish. I dislike it more in these shots. Chiffon really has been the downfall of many designers this season. Well, and lackluster designs. :P

      • Anonymous

        I think that Viktor could have produced a much better garment if he’d gone with a shorter skirt, as some other posters have suggested-perhaps a short-sleeved or sleeveless top with a fuller skirt that had just a dusting of those chiffon feathers?

    • Anonymous

      Josh’s green dress was awful, but at least he realized it.  And he realized that Anya was not quite the sweetie that he thought she was.  However.  On After the Runway, he was horrible.  All Laura did was ask him a question about if he was embarrassed by some of his actions, and he went crazy.  So obviously, all his little apologies were completely insincere.

      Viktor should have chopped his dress off about where the underskirt thing ended, and used about a 1/3 less feathers.  I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t really like it all that much.  I was too distracted by the short underskirt.  He was pretty gracious on the After the Runway, even about the thoughts of copying.

      • Anonymous

        Yes about Josh. I was actually feeling more kindly towards him in the episode, but then he blew it all with his petulant attitude in the after show. If anything he should bow down to Laura B.

      • Anonymous

        To all the people who are writing that Laura was out of line?? How?  and what did she ask that was not already said here?

        The comment about his Mother..  WE ALL saw it. 

        It is tough being on the defensive.  But how about an answer along these lines…..as to “aren’t you embarrassed”  – IF he were SINCERE and NOT exactly who Laura and the majority of us think he is. . .

        Laura, I realize after reading your blog that you don’t like me.  That is not my problem.   The way I appeared in editing is not reflective of who I am and I have apologized to the people you are claiming I behaved poorly towards.   Please move on.

        Instead his (over)reaction made it clear to most of us that he is the a-hole most of us see him as.

    • Anonymous

      I dunno. I liked Josh’s dress; I loved the color and didn’t even mind the corsage (although the hem was sloppy as all get out–even I could see that!). But it seemed much more inspired by a mai tai than a parrot. 

    • Anonymous

      Let’s just call it like we see it, this ep was lame, this season is lame, these designers are meh.  Whatevs.

    • http://twitter.com/TheScottFinley Scott Finley

      TLo, I have to agree that your followers are some sharp people. I’ve tried reading the comments over at the official Project Runway blog but it’s got crazy cat ladies all over it. The slightest bit of criticism of the producers or the judging brings a troll shower of “OMG DON’T TRY TO DESTROY THE SHOW WE LOVE IT SO DON’T TRY RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US.”

      Oy.

      • Anonymous

        Really? Yikes. 

        • http://twitter.com/TheScottFinley Scott Finley

          I made a mistake on the blog. It’s Blogging Project Runway-a fan site. But yes, beaucoup kookoo.

      • Anonymous

        Just one martini? Sounds like several pitchers are in order.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1006374212 Berna Starling

      I am so frustrated with this season – so I just started watching the old ones again as a protest. Take THIS, lifetime! Oh Jay McCarrol, oh Santino, how much fun it was/is to watch you! :(

    • Anonymous

      When T Lo has trouble talking about PR, we know the show has run into serious problems.  You two are the only reason I’m hanging in there. 

      I agree about the tacky chain on Josh’s.  I was surprised the Duchess praised it.  It also looks like something that’s gone down the PR runway before except for the corsage.  Again, the judges evaluated this not as being good, but being good FOR JOSH.  That grading on the curve thing is killing me. Someone of Josh’s limited talents should not still be in the competition this late in the season, same with Laura. Viktor had a great idea but the lines of the dress underneath were wrong, and he should have used fewer feathers or a lot more, as in doing the whole skirt but not the top. As it was, it was overfeatherated (love that!) and off-balance. And you’re right that it did seem more chickeny than cockatoo.  

    • Connie Harbor

      From a minion who has been sewing for 60 years…had Josh not added the chain (or some other guy-wire device), the model’s left bresticle would have been totally exposed.  Yikes!  He had to do something to hold the fabric over the breast, because the armscye appeared to droop almost to the waist.  The chain (and the fact that the model kept her left arm glued to her side most of the time) was a critical component to that draping, I think.

      • http://twitter.com/ms_smartiepants Beth M.

        oh, good eye! I think you are right…critical component, indeed…

      • Anonymous

        From a minion who cannot do a very good job of sewing on a button, thank you for pointing that out!  The chain did such a good job that, until you mentioned it, I wouldn’t have realized that what you say is absolutely right: Without that chain, major boobage!  And not in a good way!

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Yeah, most dresses that are that open are held on with boob tape — not allowed on PR. 

    • Anonymous

      I recently saw the denim episode from Season 4.  The bottom 3 on that ep is of such higher quality of design and construction compared to the crap that is consistently being churned out from day 1 on this entire season. I don’t know how you boys keep writing.

      • Anonymous

        Tom and Lorenze have never, ever let their bitter kittens and unborn fawns down, and I salute them for slogging through a genuinely uninspiring season of PR.

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/O5zYg6EMmcahpFvPfpdCYLTSyBxqSWYJXena#f908b Kate

      I liked Josh’s dress with the same reservations that you mentioned (corsage, chain, hem) plus the “slit” in the front until I realized that if you take all that away, it’s basically just a draped piece of fabric. I get that there goes some design skill into being able to do that, but it’s not much of a dress to me anymore.

    • Connie Harbor

      P.S.  I miss  Bert.  But he seemed to have experienced a complete emotional 180 from the beginning episode to the last one.  Methinks his sad has gone away a bit.  Hope so.  His clothes are beautiful.  Remind me of Laura Bennett’s (but without the dazzle) in cut, drape, tailoring, etc. 

    • Anonymous

      I definitely feel some sympathy for and generally like Josh, even if he does behavior very badly at times.  The fact that so many of his fellow contestants like and stick up for him says something.  Even Josh and Bert seem to get along well now, and I like how both of them can still be upfront about the parts of the other they don’t like (e.g., Bert: “you can be a bit of a bully.”).  

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I really don’t like Josh, based on what I’ve seen, but I think his redemption (in my eyes. I know many people would disagree), which seemed impossible very recently, might actually happen because the other designers have so loyally stood behind him.

        I’m still not sure though. I can’t forget how he treated Becky. Or Bert, for that matter, although Bert seems infinitely better equipped to handle that treatment than Becky was.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, I know what you mean re. Becky.  That said, Josh strikes me as someone with terrible coping skills/a “borderline” tendency who has a really hard time handling anger.  THEN, when he calms down, he generally behaves much better.  He’s so young, my guess is that he’ll become better at this with wisdom, maturity, and maybe some good therapy :)  

          • Anonymous

            That said, Josh strikes me as someone with terrible coping skills/a
            “borderline” tendency who has a really hard time handling anger. 

            It’s not merely that he can’t handle anger.  It’s that the smallest thing makes him angry.  (Bert swearing, for instance.)  The preview for next week’s episode shows him calling someone aggressive yet again.  It’s obvious that the lad considers any sort of criticism or negative comment to be a personal attack.  He really needs to get over that.

            • Anonymous

              He also doesn’t have very good debate skills. You can see on the show that he is quite articulate and careful with his words in the confessional as well as many times in the workroom. But when confronted with something that is “arguable,” he hits below the belt. He goes for the zinger with the most immediate payback for him, but without necessarily thinking about the long term consequences of his manner of argument.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know how much if it that they LIKE him or just don’t want to be his victim.  Seriously have you never been bullied (in school).  Even in adulthood I have witnessed people who would otherwise be “nice” people refuse to step in , between a bully and his victim.  When it is a desire to be one of the “cool” kids or to avoid being a victim themselves. 

        A place where a couple of bullies were harassing and discriminating against women, guys who one-on-one were nice to women, would sit back and shut up while the bullies were attacking. 

        • Anonymous

          The truth is, I mostly feel sorry for Josh.  I also feel compassion for him.  He clearly has extreme difficulty regulating his emotions, inappropriate/overly intense anger, and a lot of insecurities.   His pattern seems to be that he lashes out, acts like a jackass, feels contrite, and then tries to make amends.  Of course this doesn’t *excuse* his behavior, but it helps me to understand it better.  Like everyone else, I was horrified at the way he treated Becky in particular.  But, I see positive qualities, too, and I don’t view him as a horrible human being like many of the others on here seem to. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          But several of them have said things about him since the show finished that were quite complimentary.  I wonder if maybe he’s one of those people like many in my family: blows up quick under stress as a coping mechanism.  Then apologizes and does really mean it.  My sister-in-law says things constantly that make her sound like the bitchiest woman on Earth, because she honestly has no filter coupled with a gift for finding the worst possible phrasing for anything.  (Of course, he may just be an asshole)

          • Anonymous

            yes, see my comment above. I agree.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not sure who benefited the most from the last twist.  Maybe the real Nina escaped from whatever cage the producers have her in and they were afraid she was going to auf everyone if she saw all the riduculousness that was about to come down the runway.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I knew it. The Nina we’ve been seeing the last two seasons is a cylon!

        • Anonymous

          I think it’s well-established amongst insiders that the real reason Michael and Nina were missing for much of Season 6 is that the prototypes of the robots built to replace them were malfunctioning. No one is quite sure what was wrong with the Nina-bot, but it’s been widely rumoured that the Kors-bot was being fitted with the high-tech Disco Co-Processor – a cutting-edge chip which allows it to append the adjective “disco” to any noun phrase.

          • Anonymous

            Has anyone checked recent episodes of “Doctor Who” to see if the real Nina is floating in some area of space not yet penetrated by the good Doctor?

          • http://twitter.com/qrter Alexander Peterhans

            As far as I can see they’re still malfunctioning.

          • Anonymous

            I’m grateful for the Disco Co-Processor, then, because I find his constant “disco” descriptions completely hilarious.   I know I’m probably the only one but…Flintstones disco pouch?  I’m still laughing at that one.

        • Anonymous

          Or maybe a Tessalecta!

    • Susan Crawford

      Every time I see a dress with a see-through flowy skirt that shows the granny panties underneath, I am hurled back in time to Wretched Gretchen, and la nausee overcomes moi. So although I did appreciate the skill and overall design of Viktor’s gown (and a few less of those shreddies would have been in order) I just can’t do the whole undies showing thing. Josh had a second chance and he really ran with it, because even HE – the Drama Vortex -  knew his first look was incredibly awful. The orange was a great choice of color, and if he had just decided to stick with the chain (which I kind of liked) and cancelled that prom-corsage gone terribly wrong at the shoulder, it would have been top-notch in this scrag-end of a season.

      As for Anya . . . am I the only one waiting for her to peel back her face and reveal that she is really ANNA – the Ultimate Leader of the V? Bwahahahaha!

    • Shannon 1

      I’m just not getting the fawning over Josh’s dress. All I could think was “TOGA TOGA TOGA!” until she turned around and “diaper” popped into my head.

      Unless we’re just comparing it to his previous challenge entries, then I guess it was pretty good.

      • Anonymous

        The bottom edges just weren’t flattering, at all.  In fact, it reminded me of Indian saffron lungi, a sarong-like wrap that can be pulled up between the wearer’s legs when doing work.  Not an imagine that I associate with “high fashion.”

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/dLUE.9h6zdoHMLprP6AQrSQpKt0CZys-#e58b4 tom

      Ah, it just keeps getting worse and worse; just when I couldn’t think that they could top themselves they do. Oh, I wore a copy of the orange dress in forest green the other day.  Someone was ringing my doorbell at 6AM and I grabbed the top sheet and ran to the door. It was my psycho neighbor looking for her cat and she didn’t even compliment my outfit.

      • Anonymous

        Me too, except it was my son who forgot his key.

    • Anonymous

      I could not for the life of me figure out what that chain was when I first saw it. I thought she had on some kind of Princess Leia chain-mail bra that was showing. Regardless, I thought she looked like a vacuum bag going to the prom. 

    • Anonymous

      It reminded me a lot of Michele Obama’s inaugural dress.  You know, except a chicken blew up on it.

    • Anonymous

      Okay:
      Josh’s look was a little, as Bert pointed, a Josh attempt at being Bert. Unfortunately, Bert made a few mistakes this round (which he admitted – amongst other things, apparently he didn’t so much choose to show the dress he did as run out of time when deciding with one still on his model) and Josh lucked out. I don’t love it, per se, but I like it well enough – it’s undoubtedly one of the better things Josh has made.

      Viktor, like Bert, made a few mistakes this time around. Fortunately for Viktor, not too many mistakes. In some respects it’s reminiscent of his “avant-garde” look, but it is certainly not his best work. I don’t hate it, though.

      As an unrelated aside, I realized yesterday, and someone else may already have realized and mentioned this, that Laura’s model was one of the models on Season 2 of The Fashion Show. Oh the mediocrity that poor girl has had to wear! I weep for her.

    • Anonymous

      I actually felt like Josh’s ‘corsage’ was a no-win–he included it, and they called it gaudy.  IF he had left it off, it would have been, “WHERE is your INSPIRATION visible in this GARMENT???” (emphasis provided by La Nina and/or The Duchess)

      And I wish Viktor had pointed out (at least I didn’t hear him) that he MADE the feathers.  Yes there were too many and it was a bit overboard, but I think the judges thought they were just glue-gunned actual feathers.  I was impressed with how realistic they were.  A lot fewer (maybe just a few on the bodice?) and not the pee-colored ones, and this would have been really gorgeous.

      And for as much hissing as he does in the Confessional,  I was disappointed he didn’t stand up a little more when the judges made the “were you monitoring each others’ work?” remark.  I’m too sarcastic…I would have had to spit out that ONE of us was monitoring up until the LAST THREE HOURS when she decided to make a dress with a nearly-identical silhouette (especially from behind).

      I was a bit put out by the fact that they didn’t call Kimberley out on that.  She had a few original additions (the tit hatch and the pearls, which the judges did NOT like)–but it was SO similar.  And that was glossed over and she won the head-to-head.

      And I’ll say again, because these are perfect examples….it’s a VERY fine line between “too literal” and “I can’t see your inspiration.”

    • Anonymous

      If only a flock of Amazonian parrots would swoop down on Josh and pluck out his eyebrows one by one for making that awful green and yellow monstrosity of a dress using one of their fellow feathered friends as his inspiration. He didn’t deserve to have the challenge twisted and turned to benefit him in any shape or form after that. This manipulation by B&M finally proved to me that Project Runway is for the birds.

      • Anonymous

        LIKE!  (Like button not working)

    • Anonymous

      I thought Josh’s dress was just okay. The most remarkable thing about it was that he made it at all since it’s not similar to anything he’s done. I did not care for Viktor’s dress which also doesn’t look like anything he’s made before. In fact it  looked like Blenley made it.  Anya is all about Anya. Last week she opted not to tell Kimberly she was headed in the wrong direction (in spite of the pact) and this week she bogarts her fabric conveniently forgetting that other’s have given her fabric and money for fabric. Viktor is the only one left who I think should win but I’m thinking Anya may have it in the bag. 

      • Anonymous

        bogarts her fabric
        love

        ahh, the clever commentariat…

      • Anonymous

        he most remarkable thing about it was that he made it at all since it’s not similar to anything he’s done.
        But AWFULLY close to more of the things Bert has done! 

    • Anonymous

      Overfeatherate!

    • Anonymous

      My pea brain cannot come to grips with the fact that Viktor will not win this season. I detest his feathered dress but i know he has more talent than the other three competitors combined.  Josh really should thank the stars that he was able to drop a dress.  All the pouting in the world would not have saved him from that green and yellow monstrosity.   And what better way to save Anya from a dress with uneven armholes than allow her to create a dress that requires no sewing.  I can hear the producers saying “who looks like the early win? Viktor you say?  Well, let’s force the designers to make a second garment and see what shakes out”.  Two challenges in a row?  Come on.  

      So I ventured over to lifetime’s site to remind myself of the designer’s pre-show portfolios.  Check out Anya’s.  If she isn’t a one trick pony, I don’t know who is.  Lots of the same flowy dresses with African prints and razor zipper backs.  All sellable but hardly “fashion”.  Josh, who apparently also designs menswear, showcased several tacky tops with briefs and a few surprisingly lovely gowns.  Nothing they have done this season should be a surprise given their work prior to the show.  If nothing else, the two are consistent.

      • Anonymous

        “So I ventured over to lifetime’s site to remind myself of the designer’s pre-show portfolios.  Check out Anya’s.  If she isn’t a one trick pony, I don’t know who is.  Lots of the same flowy dresses with African prints and razor zipper backs”.

        Which is exactly what appears in her final runway show. And you’re so right–it’s all sellable, but that’s about the end of it.

        I keep wondering what Seth Aaron thinks when he looks at the work of these “designers” he helped choose.  He must be bitterly disappointed.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

      Someone posted on one of the other forums where they are blasting Anya’s win (including me) that okay, “if not Anya, then who?” It made me stop and think, hmmm I didn’t like any of these dresses! None of them should have won. How lame is that? I liked Kimberly’s but it wasn’t even HEMMED! and it seemed unfinished. I don’t get the love for Josh’s dress. It looked like a sack. Of all the looks I probably would wear Berts, but I’m old like him.(you know- between 40 and DEATH) 
        I’m not looking forward to the actual episodes anymore, only TLo’s blog about the episodes and the comments. sigh..

    • Lattis

      Josh’s green dress was pure comedy gold. Like something the Jolly Green Giant’s prom date would wear. Or maybe the Swamp Thing.

      • Anonymous

        *snort* 

        Thank-you for besting the Kors-o-matic 2000; “Swamp Thing prom dress.”

      • Kate Pearce

        …or Princess Fiona.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1006374212 Berna Starling

        It kind of reminded me of the “How I met your mother”-Halloween-Episode where Lilly is dressed up as a parrot :D

    • Anonymous

      WTF with Clinique’s orange dress? — it’s better in comparison to the other dreck he’s produced. It was draped, alright, BUT IT WAS NOT WELL-DRAPED! We’ve see some really nice draping on this show in past seasons — and this can’t satnd up next to it. I’m not saying they should have aufed him for this particular dress, which was OKAY at best, but why were they creaming their jeans over it? It’s not all that — it’s a nice color and fabric choice — that’s it.

    • Kate Pearce

      I think Viktor struggles with the less tailored looks. Josh was damn lucky that Tim saw that orange fabric just draped casually on the dummy and exclaimed at how great it looked. I reckon if Tim hadn’t said that Josh would have done his usual over-the-top extravaganza and there would have been no saving him at all.

    • Now I am The Bee

      Someone above (and I’m sorry I don’t remember who…) said that if TLo have trouble talking about Project Runway, something is seriously wrong with the show. 

      Amen! 

      You, gentlemen, are the only reason I stick with PR these days.  You are the only reason I sat through Launch My Line, Work of Art, The Fashion Show and whatever else you deem worthy to talk about.  The producers of PR should know that you are the best thing that ever happened to their show since they left Bravo–and they better shape up, or they will lose all of us (and I presume your readers are about the only people left watching PR at this point…) 
      There’s talent out there–find it!  Let the judges actually critique the clothes and keep some integrity about their decisions!  Let Tim really mentor and speak his mind about the episode, whether you like it or not!  Be a mensch!
      Oh…forget it.  I’m just living in a dreamworld….

      Re:  the Josh dress:  Beautiful fabric–bad dress.  He would have done well to take that corsage and put it in her hair. That may have been cute!
      Re: Viktor’s dress:  Could have been good, but it wasn’t.

    • Anonymous

      Oh, man.  I am fashioned challenged!  I thought Josh’s dress was HIDDY. 

      Anya w/th win – no surprise there, as she is the obvious favorite of the judges.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i’m not & so did i.
        give yrself more credit.

    • Now I am The Bee

      Y’know–I think I just figured out why this season is so…the way it is:  the designers are taking themselves and their designs SO seriuosly!  It seesm that not a one of them really enjoys creating fashion or having to deal with the challenge of tweaking and working a design to get it right and perfect. 
      I see no joy in creating.  No passion.  No exuberance in just making something from nothing and doing it well. 

      I just see people caught up in the competition of this thing, rather than just evoking fashion that is beauitful and fun!   

      Am I wrong?

      • Anonymous

        No you’re not wrong. But I think some of the blame belongs to the types of challenges handed to them. I think the parameters have straight-jacketed them a little bit. Also, I think the editing is very different than when the show was on Bravo. We used to see a lot more workroom banter, hijinx, and general interaction. I loved that part of the show and miss it very much. The show is a half hour longer now! What the hell are they giving us?

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you.

        But I think the new production company standards fosters that. Suddenly, it’s not necessary to know how to sew to get on this show – in fact, you could even win.

        Also, to my knowledge, in the past the contestants didn’t have agents negotiating for them during the filming, or get paid, but apparently that’s happening now as well.

        I think that contributed to some of the bitterness from some contestants on the after show. Maybe that’s also why that one woman (Cecilia) decided to leave abruptly.

        • Anonymous

          What? People are getting paid to be on the show? Are you serious? How did I miss this? Do you have a link?

          • Anonymous

            According to this article from August:

            http://tinyurl.com/3jxwoav

            “It’s clear on the set today that there is a polarizing designer, one
            viewers will love to hate and who will tap-dance all over Gunn’s last
            nerve. “She’s already had her agent call me. She’s negotiating for more
            money,” a producer is overheard grousing.”

            I am assuming it is Anya. BTW, the episode mentioned in this article is the one that will air this coming Thursday.

            • Anonymous

              Thank you! I’m going to read it right now!

            • Anonymous

              I loved this line from the article:

              “Not that Project Runway is in danger of descending into the gutter of train-wreck reality TV. “

            • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

              Riiiiiight.

            • Anonymous

              I know, right?

            • Anonymous

              I think people are reading too much into that comment. Granted, Tim is sometimes out of the loop, but  he’s said that the designers are not paid – and if they were being paid to be on the show, I don’t think it would be casually revealed in an article, almost as an aside, with no follow-up.

              But it’s definitely possible, though there are at least two other possibilities:
              First – that those two sentences are actually unrelated to each other and the second is about someone and something else (e.g. a guest judge demanding more money, etc.).
              Second – that someone tried to demand more money for her final collection.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000020870811 Joe Murphy

              I’m thinking maybe “she” was demanding more money for the After the Runway show. With the way it was hastily launched mid-season, they might not have had the designers locked in by their contracts to do it.

          • Anonymous

            My original reply was eaten somehow, but here’s the link again, from an article published back in August:

            http://tinyurl.com/3jxwoav
            “It’s clear on the set today that there is a polarizing designer, one
            viewers will love to hate and who will tap-dance all over Gunn’s last
            nerve. “She’s already had her agent call me. She’s negotiating for more
            money,” a producer is overheard grousing.”

            I have to assume the designer mentioned is Anya. BTW, the episode that was taping that day is the one we’ll see this coming Thursday, with Zoe Saldana.

    • Anonymous

      Heh heh heh heh CHICKEN heh heh heh…

    • Anonymous

      big ol orange pumpkin.

      • Anonymous

        disco orange pumpkin?

        • Anonymous

          “orange disco pumpkin” would be the correct word order, I think.

    • Judy_J

      Josh’s dress looked like a bath towel or a swimsuit coverup.  It is so un-Josh-like that I have to suspect some sort of behind the scenes coaching, because his first look was so COMPLETELY unlike the second.  And I thought he was a real ass on the After the Runway show.  Now that Bert’s gone, I’ve lost interest.  I couldn’t care less about the remaining contestants.

    • Anonymous

      What was going on with Josh’s model’s cmplexion????

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      “To make matters worse, we find ourselves in the unenviable position of
      agreeing with a lot of what Josh was saying this week, both in the
      episode, and on the After the Runway show (although not the part where
      he threatened to beat up Laura Bennett on the streets of New York).”

      As has a fair amount of The Commentariat. Even if it’s only an instance of a broken clock being correct twice a day, I think he was spot on in everything he said about Anya.

      I really don’t think he was physically threatened Laura. It sounded more like “there will be a bitchfest and I will win” than anything else. Not that I agree with him on that.

      I really like Josh’s dress. I’m a sucker for a sack dress, and I think the draping in the back is pretty. It definitely has issues: The chain is tacky, but something has to hold that thing together. The front is too plain, and that corsage is not livening things up. It does look like he wrapped a sheet around her. I have no idea how he could have draped it so it didn’t just stop with a perfectly straight vertical hem down the side, adding no interest at all. But then, if I did know how it could be nicely draped, I suppose I’d be a designer.

      Viktor’s, which I liked a lot, looked better on television than it does here. Maybe I wasn’t paying close attention, but the feathers looked white to me. The yellow isn’t what I’d call flattering. I think that his and Kimberly’s dresses were at the same level, and if this had been a normal challenge instead of head-to-head, both should/would(?) have been in the same category – either top or bottom, depending on the mood of the judges.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry you guys are feeling burnt out.  That, in itself, says very bad things about the arc of PR.  BM and Lifetime clearly have no faith in the actual creative process being interesting in and of itself.  But when I look back on my favorite moments of the show, it’s always the unexpected or even expected creative moment. Jay’s Chrysler dress, Andrae’s pebble dress, Christian and Cris’s avant-garde challenge AND Jillian and Victorya’s coat in the same episode.  LeAnn’s car-parts challenge.  

      But BM and Lifetime just have to keep gumming things up instead of devising challenges that *test* the designer’s creativity and skills.

      • Anonymous

        We did have the marvelosity of Mondo last season.  He gave us some great fashions.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6TDAYXK555ABAKZEEOAJMC25FU Stan

      There is so little to Josh’s design…the only things he did add to this bath towel wrap were the things the judges hated: chain, corsage…  Ugh.

    • Anonymous

      I’m with you T-Lo.   We’re down to the final 5 and I’m still not excited about anyone.  I think Victor has talent, but the rest have been very uneven.  I think Laura will be the next to go.  I think After the Runway was filmed after the series ended, and that’s why Laura is not on.  She’ll be on next week after her “auf” episode.   Josh is very up and down to me.    I don’t think Laura was attacking him, but his behavior.  He does not seem to realize just how horrible his behavior is.  As for Kim,  I don’t think she was gloating so much, as setting a goal.  Victor has been doing really well, and she sees beating him as validation of her talent.  I do think that Anya has benefitted from others help, but it is a competition.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Victor’s dress would have been VASTLY improved with different colors.  I would have used a pure white for the dress and a cream and a blush for the feathers — it would have been more subtle and more interesting.

    • Anonymous

      TLo, I think the reason we seem to endlessly discuss those topics might just be because we’re happy to have other people to bitch with and kvetch. It’s like that line in Return of the Secaucus Seven, where the guy says “I get overexcited when I’m around people I don’t have to explain my jokes to.” We’re happy to have people who are on the same wavelength about a show we’ve all been invested in at some point, on a blog we enjoy.

    • Anonymous

      I think the reason there seems to be little to say is that none of the designers this season really seem to be legitimate contenders at this point, or rather, it doesn’t matter if they are contenders or not. With earlier seasons, it did seem like we were looking at potential “next big designers.” Real, raw talent; innovation; original thinking; and big ideas. Not so much at this point. I don’t say that to mean the designers are not talented—they still are, but the challenges are more about product placement and the judging has become questionable and unreliable. And the producers believe audiences want drama, not creative process. It’s turned into a different show, and we liked the first one better—the one that could give us Wendy Pepper AND Jay McCarroll. It’s amazing how a network move changed the show tremendously, even though all of the same players are in place.

      • Jordan Adair Stephens

        i completely agree, except for one point: all the same players AREN’T in place.  the production team (Magical Elves) was replaced by Bunim/Murray when the show moved to Lifetime.  obviously, we all know how big of a role the producers play in the show, and if you didn’t before, you do now!!

    • Damien Washington

      I think the world has been too kind to Josh’s orange juice box. While the back is draped very well, the front is flat and shapeless. And yes, that hem. Oy. As for his points to Anya on the Project Ambush after show, he is such a delusional freak that the fact that he may have been right is merely a coincidence. Anything that comes out of his mouth is driven by vanity and almost paranoid-level  defensiveness. He’s just not hooked up right.

      • http://inkblotphotography.blogspot.com/ Cate

        I don’t know about all of that, but his behavior towards Laura in the aftershow really demonstrates that he has NO self awareness. He can’t take responsibility for his actions at all. Even when he’s right, he doesn’t understand WHY.

        • Damien Washington

          Thank you, that’s a better/more concise way of explaining it. The words weren’t coming to me, LOL.

    • http://inkblotphotography.blogspot.com/ Cate

      I have to say I kind of agreed with Josh this time around. I didn’t enjoying his pissy attitude one bit one anya won, but I think he and Kimberly hit the nail on the head during the after the runway segment. I’m totally team anya, but as much as it IS a competition and he SHOULDN’T have asked, if Anya was a shrewd as you keep making her out to be, I think she would have shared. Because considering hoe much help she has needed in the past just in terms of time management and completing garments, Kimberly is very right to say that she wouldn’t have made it this far if it wasn’t for the other designers lending her a hand. Taking into consideration how likely it is that she’ll need help in the future, even if she didn’t win the $20 grand, it would serve her best in the long term to stay on god terms with everyone, in case she needed help again. I think it was a bad move to refuse him, and she’s lucky there’s only one more challenge, because she’s definitely not going to be getting help any time soon.

      • http://karensbooksandchocolate.blogspot.com/ Karenlibrarian

        I agree — if she’s going to win, she should do it on her own merits, not because someone else screws up so she can win by default.  To me, that’s not a win, it’s just being the least bad.  

    • Anonymous

      It saddens me that there is no one remotely classy or genuine left to win the competition (except maybe Kim, but she won’t win). Viktor seems to think he’s allowed to “bitch talk” (or whatever he calls it) but holds it against others when they do. Laura and Josh, we don’t need to discuss (although I think it’s interesting that when Laura Bennett was attacking him on ATR, some of the other designers were pretty quick to rush to his defense, which makes me think he’s not as bad as he’s being painted); Anya is so incredibly fake it’s difficult to watch her, and it’s clear that she’s been playing the game and playing it really well up to this point. I’ve enjoyed the drama of this season, but I worry that once it’s over, all of these designers (with the exception of Bert and Anthony Ryan) will be publicly disgraced because they behaved like such donkeys and could not fathom professionalism for the life of them.

    • Anonymous

      Dresses like that one REALLY make me wish the judges didn’t know which designer made what until after they scored the designs. Viktor was totally right on ATR when he talked about certain designers being graded on a curve, and never has that been more obvious than this season. 

    • Anonymous

      Both of their models have unattractive hair styling. Josh’s dress made his model look manly.

    • Anonymous

      Regardless of what Laura was attacking, the way she did it was completely tactless — and no, he shouldn’t have threatened to kick her ass on the streets of New York, but he was absolutely right in saying that behaving the way she does at her age is disgraceful. I actually thought Josh handled the initial question really well by saying thanks for being here but I’m not answering that, and then she was so determined to get a rise out of him that she wouldn’t let up. I understand what she was saying about Josh’s bullying; I just don’t get why she railed on him for bullying by doing the same thing.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        he is way too hung up on how old people are.
        he is gonna be as old as laura in the blink of an eye, he just doesnt get it yet.

      • Now I am The Bee

        I disagree.  Laura was very direct, but not tactless.  And she certainly didn’t bully him.   She directly asked the questions that all of us were wanting to ask–in exactly the same way. 
        Al ot of times, when “older people” are direct in their speech–younger people take that as being rude or bullying.    

        • Anonymous

          Point taken, though I feel the exact opposite. I think sometimes “older” people say things in a way they feel is honest and direct when in fact it’s inappropriate and offensive. I’m all for honesty but not when it means tearing other people down on national TV- not even saying Josh didn’t do it, but saying Laura did as well, which was what I found to be the most hypocritical and bothersome part of it all.

    • Anonymous

      Am I wrong in remembering a challenge in which no one was declared the winner, but someone was sent home???

      Or was that a chef show?

      • Anonymous

        Ugh 8 seasons and I can’t remember that happening on PR (meaning my memory is getting bad :)).  I remember a Top Chef where no one was sent home and I don’t think anyone was declared a winner (there were accusations of cheating).

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Top Chef had a Restaurant Wars do-over one season because both teams failed so badly the first time.

        • Anonymous

          I do remember that, now that you post it. If only PR producers/judges had the cojones…

    • Anonymous

      Can someone briefly fill me in on Josh’s “After The Runway” antics? I can hardly stay awake to watch PR so I missed it.

      • Anonymous

        Laura asked him if he felt embarrassed by his actions and he decided to play the victim and act as if Laura was bullying him. Other than that, TLo’s comments just about sum it up.

    • vmcdanie

      So, I’ve quit watching until I see T Lo sanctioned evidence that this sinking ship has righted itself. Thus I missed Josh threatening Laura (seriously? They’ve selected as their golden boy someone who wants to assault a perennial fan favorite?)

      Viktor is probably the best, most consistent designer in the bunch although with this group, I don’t know how much of a compliment that really is. His dress this week though is pure “But I’ve got more money for Miner Joe. What are you looking at? You need six tickets if you want to stare at me.”

      (second time this season that Kids in the Hall reference has been deployed, with reason.)

    • Anonymous

      Twenty to one if Anya had made Viktor’s feather fiasta the judges would have loved it. They would have gushed over her and marveled at the fact she made fabric feathers even though she can’t even sew! It would have been whimsical and inspired and spot-on.

      At this point all I want is for Joan Clinique Crawford and Anya to have some sort of hair-pulling beauty queen fight and the last one standing can have the win.

      But I would have LOVED it if Olivier had made it to this challenge and been given a myna bird. If he can’t stand talking humans a talking bird would have pushed him so over the edge it would have been hysterical.

      • Anonymous

        A hair-pulling bitchfest between Josh and Anya might be the most entertaining feature this misbegotten season could possibly produce.  It would certainly be better than any of the designs from this episode.

        • Anonymous

          Could we arrange that to happen in a wading pool full of Jello? Because it seems that’s how low the producers have sunk this season.

          • Anonymous

            Given the blatant product placement on PR, I think we could probably arrange for Garnier Fructis to provide a wading pool filled with styling gel!

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          I can’t say I’d turn it off. It sounds like a lot more fun than watching Laura B. and Josh berate each other.

        • Now I am The Bee

          We can only hope….

      • Anonymous

        I would pay good money to see those two have a cat fight. Sign me up right now.

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        What would be even more interesting would be to see which the other designers would root for.

    • grif wolf

      Somehow there’s a little part of Josh that I find a bit lovable and I was pissed at Laura Bennet for her nasty attack on him- mothers are sancrosanct and claiming he was dredging up fake tears for his was beyond rude ( besides she was the bitch of her season, remember how she made Jeffrey cry?)  I liked his dress, and liked the chain too- I think Nina commented favorably on it.

      • Anonymous

        Anyone who can make Jeffrey cry is okay in my book!

    • http://twitter.com/qrter Alexander Peterhans

      Viktor’s dress looks like one half is on fire. And not in a good way.

    • Anonymous

      How is there only 1 more challenge with 5  left – Kim Laura Anya, Viktor and a-cc-hole – double elimination or are they planning to officially screw with concept of the Final 3??

      • Anonymous

        In past seasons they’ve said it will be a double elimination.  They’ll get rid of one contestant and then there will be a “surprise twist” to see who will be the final three that will show at Fashion Week (except in this season half of them get to show at Fashion Week).  So…and not to go over all the past seasons, they probably will eliminate one of them and then two will go head to head (my money is on Josh and someone else) or they’ll all have to compete again or even four of them could (?) go to Fashion Week.  Or?  Or?  Oh I just don’t care anymore.  I’ve devoted too many brain cells to this seson’s dreck.

      • Anonymous

        Tim said in an interview that he made four home visits so it seems either they’re having a face-off – a la Rami and Chris – or they’re having four of them compete at Fashion Week.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Josh’s look was awful. It looks like a orange bath towel to me – you know, the kind that have velcro on the side so you can hold them in place while you walk to and from the bathroom? 

      I was really disappointed neither Josh nor Bert used that beautiful vibrant green of that parrot. I love green. 

      • http://karensbooksandchocolate.blogspot.com/ Karenlibrarian

        When I saw it during the judging I thought it looked like an orange pillowcase.  It looked much better when the model was moving.  And I was actually impressed with Josh’s attitude during the actual episode, he actually seemed pretty calm and mature.  Then I watched After the Runway and all hell broke loose, and I hate him more than ever.  That rant directed at Laura Bennett was simply inexcusable. 

        • Anonymous

          I didn’t even bother watching After the Runway. I have absolutely zero interest in watching a bunch of narcissists screech at each other. I have far better things to do with my time. But you’re right, he did tone it down a lot during the episode, which I very much appreciated. And as much as it pains me, I did agree with him about Anya. 

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            You made the right decision. I’m actually sorry I watched the aftershow, because it turned into a nasty freak show. I won’t make that mistake again.

          • Anonymous

            I saw maybe 30 seconds of After the Runway, and not in a row, but I assume at some point someone had to be restrained by security while yelling, “You don’t know me!”

            • Anonymous

              I believe that. 

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t think Viktor’s was so bad, though I really didn’t like the sheer vs. opaque quality of the skirt. I liked the feather technique without making feathers.  I just hated the fact that they put two of the better people together so one was guaranteed to be on the bottom. It’s really stupid judging since you could’ve had two crap pieces (uh, Anya and Laura) and one was guaranteed to be in the top three (and of course win).

      As much as I dislike DV, I felt that he made some fairly reasonable statements in this weeks episode. He sounded balanced and made an excellent argument, as you boys point out (until we got to the after the runway when he sounded like a schoolyard bully).

    • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

      Okay okay okay, I’ll say it.  I liked Josh’s dress.  There, are you happy now?  Now for the good stuff.  its orange crepe which is almost ludicrously easy to make look good in draping.  Nothing special about that dress at all really.  And that corsage? (urp)

      Viktor?  I was sad when i saw this.  It was so very overdone.  A few of the feather pieces scattered randomly on the skirt would have sealed the deal design wise after the mass on the shoulder line.  She looks lopsided.

    • chicks5026

      I wonder if Viktor’s might’ve worked better as a jumpsuit instead of a dress.  (With less feathers and froo-froo of course).

      • Anonymous

        No.  A jumpsuit would have been even worse.  At least you can pee in a dress.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i cant watch this show any more, it’s too contrived & i dont like anyone left. make that “like,” btw, cos i have really no idea whether or not the personalities these people portray have anything to do w/ them– at least some of them. the quieter ones are probably more or less themselves but they dont get story arcs &, since the competition is peurile & facetious, it’s hard to watch to see what they make. plus everyone i actually liked, personwise & workwise, is now gone.

      as per:
      both of these look absolutely horrible in stills. viktor’s looks better than josh’s, which just looks foolish &, again, like drapery absconded from the nearest hare krishna temple, w/, of course, a two dollar chain adhering in the armpit. i mean: it isnt that hard to get what i now know is crepe to cascade. since i didnt watch it i dont know where he got the crepe so i thought it was muslin. wouldve been more difficult to get the muslin to drape, but the real trick is getting high end crepe to look like low end stuff to which one might apply birseed or fish rocks.

      viktor’s is overdone & silly but the idea below the overdoing is sound & the overdoing might have been clever had it worked.

      there is no real reason to have sent any of these people home over any of the others. but, as above, none of it’s real so what does it matter.

      ps. i think the reason there were so many comments re the two pretenders to the throne here over the weekend is cos there was nothing else here about which to yak. you have a strong community on tLo.

      • Anonymous

        Echoing the p.s.

    • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

      Manila Luzon would work the HECK out of Viktor’s dress!

    • Joshua

      Viktor’s jackets and a few other looks have impressed me enough to want to see him in the top three, but I can’t say anything about any amount of those feathers. They did not look as good as he thought they did, no matter what amount of time he spent on them (or how much crack the judges were smoking). I don’t fault him for taking a risk, but during the process of editing, he should have picked the other dress.

      Actually, looking back to the picture of his model turned away, that view of the feather detail looks interesting, so maybe had he left it on the side (no, not the shoulder as I wouldn’t accept a feathery corsage as any good anymore than a flowery one). But the problem I would have with even that amount of detail is looking at it up close, when you would see how cheap it looked (again, no matter how much time was actually wasted on it), and didn’t the judges recently say something about one losing look that up close is what counts?

      LOL at the chicken comment. :)

      • Anonymous

        ha! if up close is what counts, Anya should’ve been aufed for that monstrosity.

        • Joshua

          Yep. No one is accusing the judges of being consistent here. :P

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i forgot to add:
      joshua’s dress? that bag dress that drew barrymore wore sometime back. same color, no straps.

    • Lisa

      I hate giving that screeching drama queen any credit, but he *was* right.  I mean, listen, ANYA – help your fellow designers or don’t help your fellow designers.  But don’t loan one fabric and then automatically regret it, gladly accept help when you’re the one in trouble, and then go back to, “Oh, no, NO MORE HELP!” three days later.  What we’re saying here, Beauty Queen, is PICK A SIDE. She’s been taking help all season long – again, not that it indebts her to them absolutely.  But – and I posted this on Laura Bennett’s blog – the way she automatically backpedals when it’s her turn to do someone a favor is seriously gross.

      • Anonymous

        And Josh could have dressed as Rooster Boy!

        • Lisa

          Ding ding ding ding ding!  We have a WINNAH!!

    • margaret meyers

      Josh chose a good fabric.  Then he did some nice draping.  It was not much of a dress. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HBS4KWJ6XTPDEL2JMD37ZS5YHA Ben

      I didn’t watch the episode until the last 30 minutes or so, and I thought Anya’s black dress was the best thing on that runway. Yeah, I know. I mean, if I only look at how it’s presented on the model, I thought she totally deserves the win (actually the only time I think she deserves the win), but then I learned how she sewed her model in the dress, that kinda threw me off. 

      • Anonymous

        And of course the judges didn’t see it, but her other dress was pretty interesting too, so she had two good looks and deserved the win from that perspective as well.

    • Arcy Silver

      To be honest, I actually didn’t like any of the garments they presented this episode. Though Josh’ dress has a sexy slinky vibe going on, I can’t get passed the orange but it’s alright. I could’ve expected more from Viktor since his dress wasn’t as well constructed or executed as I hoped. 

      About the After the Runway show, it only drove me to side with Josh. Laura Bennet was really hostile and came off mean. And to think she wasn’t in the position to do so. She’s only a lifetime writer with a narrow point of view and to single out Josh and attack him on television just proves it. It would’ve been okay if it was Bert or Becky to confront Josh. But adding an irrelevant person to the mix was really cheap for Lifetime to do so.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=552853133 Teddy Partridge

        Isn’t that Laura Bennet’s default mode, though?  I can’t imagine expecting anything but hostility and meanness from her.  Ever.

        • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

          I admire her but thought some of the bitchy from the show was d/t some pregnancy hormones.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Yes. If they felt absolutely compelled to have someone confront Josh, I would have much preferred to see a fellow designer do it. I think the result would have been the same, but there was no reason for Laura Bennett to be there, unless she was going to talk about her experiences on the show.

        I know I said this in another thread, but I can’t remember which one, or if it was even here. Anyway, notice that when Bert talks to Josh about his behavior, Josh doesn’t freak out and go off on a defensive tangent about being attacked. Instead, he listens to what Bert says, and he seldom responds, as though he’s actually processing what Bert is saying, and even giving it serious thought.

        I don’t think Bert’s some kind of miracle worker, or the next Freud (thank the lord for small favors ;-)  ), but I think maybe Josh has come to respect him. From what I’ve seen, Josh is never going to respond well to an aggressive approach. He even interprets simple comments from the designers (besides Bert) as attacks. There was no way he was going to respond well to a total stranger who was sent on stage specifically to go after him, solely for the entertainment of PR’s viewers. The more I think about what happened between Josh and Laura, the grosser it seems.

        • Anonymous

          I didn’t watch the confrontation on ATR, but I am thinking Josh respects Bert because he 1) is a man, and 2) has achieved some success in the fashion field.  Likewise, I’d bet if T & Lo were to interview him, he would act respectfully as well, despite their critical comments on this blog.  LB, on the other hand, is a woman between 40 and Death who hasn’t reached some pinnacle that Josh would consider respectable. 

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            That’s a good point. Bert’s an actual grown-ass man who’s gone through some major crap and appears to have come out the other side in pretty good condition. Also, good call on how he most likely sees Laura Bennett, although I can see Josh thinking season 3 Laura (i.e. how she was depicted) was awesome. He must have been mighty disappointed once he met her.

      • Anonymous

        She didn’t “single out Josh”.  She had something to say to all the designers.  Josh, it must be said, had given her much better material, though!

        • Arcy Silver

          Maybe it was her approach that threw me off. I mean to call out someone as the most misbehaved in front of the cameras, and to actually get in a cat fight with Josh isn’t something to be admired about. I don’t even remember who she was. And if I ever had any respect reserved for design criticisms was thrown out the door. She came off tactless and her behavior off-putting. 

          There is so much to be said about the designs that Josh delivered in the runway but she decided to focus on his attitude instead. And that isn’t very professional, especially from a fellow designer. Well unless she’s trying to break out as a reality star but in the level of a Jerry Springer show. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BCHAURGEOOOL46TO2XSP57MGXA Barefoot Girl

      I know it’s unkind and possibly irrelevant but the models on PR are incredibly unattractive. It doesn’t do the horrible dresses and what-not any favors.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Besides the dress being ugly (IMO), the main reason Josh didn’t win is the model- honestly, can you see that girl in a makeup ad? She is pretty, but I just don’t see it.

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          she always looks like that. i dont know how or why she is on the show. i feel bad for her. she shoulda waited a year. this particular exposure is not gonna be good for her in the long run.

      • Arcy Silver

        I noticed this as well. I’m not sure if it’s because we’ve seen too many pretty faces but none of the models do justice for the garments good or bad. You couldn’t really blame styling alone. :/ 

      • Anonymous

        Could be the makeup in regards to Josh’s model. After all we are talking about Miss over-embellish-to-the-max, then embellish some more Clinique Counter here. In that photo with both of them, she looks like she almost has as much product on her face as he does. He clearly over-styles as well. Remember how he styled her for the pet challenge. Of the models left, I think Sveta, Anya’s model is the best looking.

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenGillies Kathleen Gillies

        I remember the days the models Worked the looks, almost making them in some cases.

    • Anonymous

      I really can’t find anything to like about that orange sack. Maybe they’re judging Josh on a curve because it isn’t eye-searingly tacky, but it isn’t very elegant either.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=552853133 Teddy Partridge

      The owl won.

    • Anonymous

      Here’s what I heard from Anya: Asshole, who has given no one anything but grief – I owe YOU nothing. It is what she meant when she said fabric is tangible – translated: the only thing YOU ever gave anyone was OPINION so please stop coming at me like i owe YOU fabric.  FURTHER the ONLY skill required of that damn purple dress (that was only notable because the bedazzler didn’t bedazzle it) was the frikkin hem and it was jenky as hell. Please. If Anya is beneffiting from his education he ought to be glad some one id because he didn’t crack a damn book from the look of things. Tacky, common, insecure barstool queen. Laura Bennet kicked your ass on that segment, you couldnt hevne stay on the stage with her…way to know your role.

      • Anonymous

        I’m afraid you heard what you wanted to hear.

        • Anonymous

          tangible: fabric
          intangible: unsolicited opinions.
          She owed HIM absolutely nothing. He used the help OTHERS gave her to portray her lack of helping him as something it was not. Do you think for a second she would have denied Anthony had he still been there or Laura? Like Anthony Ryan said when he did give her fabric, “OF COURSE I HELPED ANYA, now it if it was Bert, well he could make due with what he has.”

        • Anonymous

          tangible: fabric
          intangible: unsolicited opinions.
          She owed HIM absolutely nothing. He used the help OTHERS gave her to portray her lack of helping him as something it was not. Do you think for a second she would have denied Anthony had he still been there or Laura? Like Anthony Ryan said when he did give her fabric, “OF COURSE I HELPED ANYA, now it if it was Bert, well he could make due with what he has.”

    • Anonymous

      HATED both of these. Josh’s dress looks like a wrapped a towel around his model, I just don’t get why the judges, and a ot of people creamed their pants over this dress. Even the fabric and the way he draped it looks like a tacky towel. Oddly enough the chain was the only thing about it I liked. And Viktor disappointed big time this week. His sketch was stunning, it could have genuinely been couture had is looked anything like his sketch. Alas it was so far from his sketch. Did the judges not see how unflattering the top is on his model, it makes her look really busty and not in a good way. And just below the cinch at the waist makes her hips look huge. The sketch promised a gorgeous gown, instead we get sad, ugly, “chicken”  And also, please, if Josh ever asked me for anything I’d flat out tell him NO. I mean come on, there are parts of this show where you can visibly see Anya looks somewhat embarrassed for Josh when she’s talking to him. And honestly, who wouldn’t??

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      ps. i dont know where this photo actually comes from, but it is josh’s dress. twice!
      http://static.winningateverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/WA_attitude.jpg

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        If I were a designer, I can’t even tell you how excited I’d be if The Rock wore one of my dresses.

    • Anonymous

      Nothing original about that orange dress and it’s not well made either.  I’d take the corsage.  Viktor’s dress had some real problems, for sure, but he’s pretty consistently thoughtful and hardworking.  On the “it would work with some tweaks” meter, I still think his should have won.  The raven dress was so unflattering around the neck and shoulders, and it looked uncomfortable and heavy, itchy.  And, yes, sad to say, the models this year, with one or two exceptions (Laura’s) are unattractive.  I often wonder what became of Daniel V’s lovely model or Chloe’s striking redhead.  These girls look so miserable much of the time.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Koji from the LA season.  (Logan’s model with the black hair, white skin and mile-long neck) She was my favorite model, and I think it’s sad she was stuck on that shitty season.

      • Anonymous

        I’m curious about Nazri from Season 3. She’s my all-time favorite. Pretty face, great fro, and could walk the sh** out of anything. But I did love Grace as well, Chloe’s redhead.

    • Anonymous

      Josh can be a decent designer when he tones things down, even if he didn’t manage to tone it down quite enough

      The problem is that Josh, on his own, is never going to tone down or edit. So everything he produces, outside the artificial world of Nina, the Duchess, Heidi and Tim telling him to EDIT, fer chissakes!!! is going to be over the top tacky.
      Not a good designer.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Not a good SOLO designer.  But if he found someone who he worked well with, he has enough talent to pull his weight as half of a design partnership.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

      “he was right when he said in the after show that she’s benefitting from the education that the more technically proficient contestants paid for.”

      That might be what he meant or even be part of what he said, but the actual wording was more like “I’m the only one left who went to school for this”, which kind of blew me away, since Bert (though he went home this episode) went to Parsons for fashion, Laura Kathleen has a BS (no pun intended) in textile merchandising and design from somewhere, and Viktor went to FIT in NY. And Kimberly went to FIT, though she studied merchandising rather than design.Then someone else spoke up (Viktor, I think) and said something like “I went to school for this, too” and Josh was all dismissive and said “Oh yeah, and you, too” and then went on like he was the God of Fashion standing on the mountain speaking to the peons below him. If he spent so damn much money on his degree you’d think he could have acquired some taste at some point along with his BFA.

    • Anonymous

      I think the PR powers that be have changed the standard for design on the show.  In previous years, they seemed to be looking for high end fashion.  This season, particularly, they are looking for clothes that appeal to the mass market.  Since they are now in the clothing manufacturing business, they seem to look for clothing that is simple ( = cheap to manufacture) and more appealing to a younger market (= street).  They are going for a high-end big box store market (= amazon.com).  So, designers like Bert are out, because he has taste and refinement.   They are keeping designers who are crazy, for entertainment value (= Josh) and anyone with a somehwhat interesting life story (=victims only, please).   I am amazed at the politics behind the scenes.  People with truly tacky clothing that are still with us.  This is less of a design show, and more of a circus than ever.  I don’t care if this one is color blind, and that one learned to machine sew just before the competition, that one lost a parent, or that one lost her money because she does not carry a bag and does not wear underwear. The clothes are terrigble this season.  Amateurish.  I have never seen so many distorted silhouettes, mismatched tops and bottoms, and clothes that make tall anorexic models look fat.  They can choose people that are more qualified to be on the show.  Yet they pick people who are not really good at designing and sewing.  This is pathetic. 

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree on Viktor’s look: love the idea, love the technique, but he went overboard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mememenyc Michael English

      Sorry but your Anya hatred has become very dull. Girl can design. I design and I think I have some opinion. I appreciate the fact that you understand that everything Josh says is truth, he just needs to get a brain-to-mouth filter. 

    • Anonymous

      Yes, yes, drama, but let’s zero in on what’s REALLY important here: Is it just me, or does Josh’s model look a lot like Meredith from The Parent Trap?

      (Of course, those of us lucky enough to have seen Beverly Hills Chihuahua 2 know that the only time Meredith takes to the runway is to destroy George Lopez’s dreams in dog fashion shows.)

    • Anonymous

      I suspect that Anya the Great benefited as much from the switch down to 1 look as Josh.  Considering there would have been a required outfit change by the model, the fact that her dress had no way of getting on and off without ripping out of seams would have made it difficult for even these judges to find a way to praise her.  So eliminate that pesky problem. 

    • Becky Simmons

      What people keep forgetting is that Anya gave fabric to other designers in the episode before the one when she lost the money (in the Sheepdogs episode). That karma has already balanced, and I think that’s what she was talking about when she said it was “different than several challenges ago”.