PR: When will we share Precious Moments?

Posted on September 18, 2011

We figured we’d give Precious Moments his own little un-precious moment in the sun this week, since, despite his middle-of-the-road showing, he’s the one everyone wants to talk about.

 

Not to get all preachy in a post we’re determined not to take seriously, but there was some discussion about Olivier in the context of him being a gay man and freaking out over the idea of non-models wearing his clothing. Kittens, don’t lay that at the feet of gay men. Bert had no problem dressing a non-model; nor did Josh or Anthony or Viktor, for that matter. No, Olivier didn’t react in the stupidest manner possible because he’s gay; he did so because he’s an idiot.

Or, perhaps more accurately, he’s a child. Our first impulse, when he started spouting lines like “I don’t like women to have boobs, I just want them to be flat,” was to get angry, but when he got around to opining that he just wants women to come to him without opinions and keep their mouths shut because he’s never worked with clients before, we started to laugh and couldn’t stop. He has no experience with the world and it was pretty clear every time he opened his mouth.

Especially when things started falling apart for him and the couple he was working with took a hilarious parental, pat-on-the-head, “isn’t he just adorable when he tries to think” approach to his behavior. In other words, they couldn’t take him seriously and neither could we.

Besides, the entertainment value of his accent shifting wildly the higher his stress levels went cannot be overstated. He was mere seconds away from lapsing into a full-on “Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins” version of cockney. “Oi, guv’nor, whoy cahn’t yew get youah woife to do whut h’I say? Am I bovvered? Too bloody right, mate! Sod off! Blimey!”

Come on, that would have been glorious.

And what made it truly entertaining and ironic was that she not only had a pretty slamming bod, but he turned out his best work in the competition.

These aren’t Olivier’s normal “fashion under glass” garments. For the first time in the competition, he produced something that was wearable and interesting without looking like an experiment with fabric.

Perfect? Not by a long shot. We’re not even going to go so far as to say it’s good.

But these are recognizable garments that, had they been tweaked and finished to perfection, would have looked interesting and even a little flattering on her. No, the bust isn’t supporting her babies all that well and the pants are a little too balloony for her body type.

And all that pleating and folding in the front is a bit overdone.

But the top was interesting, both front and back, and the idea behind both it and the pants was pretty solid, from a design point of view, as well as a style one. Although we think the pants would have worked better with either a slimmer cut, or as a wider straight leg pant.

But had this look been executed and fitted to perfection, we suspect he could have landed in the Top 3. It wasn’t a department store dress and that would have been a huge point in his favor.

We doubt very much little Precious Moments had the ability to recognize this, but the very fact of having to deal with a real woman (as opposed to a dress form or a model paid to do what she’s told, which are his obvious preferences as to who should be wearing his clothes) with a real brain and real preferences and ideas, forced him into making a much better garment than if he’d been left to his own devices.

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke/MyLifetime.com - Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      This nonsense can’t be a gay thing — let’s all think back (fondly:)  to Uncle Nick.  Nick NEVER had a problem dressing women at all; in fact, as has previously been mentioned here, he was one of the few male designers to really understand women and how to flatter their bodies and make them feel good. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      This nonsense can’t be a gay thing — let’s all think back (fondly:)  to Uncle Nick.  Nick NEVER had a problem dressing women at all; in fact, as has previously been mentioned here, he was one of the few male designers to really understand women and how to flatter their bodies and make them feel good. 

      • Anonymous

        Sigh.  I miss Uncle Nick.  And Jeffrey.  I miss f***king KENLEY.  And I detested Kenley.  That’s how lame these people are.

        • Anonymous

          Nothing could ever make me miss that asshole Jeffrey.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, believe me, I was not a fan.  But he was, at times, an inspired designer.  I do not see much of that in this group.  

            • Anonymous

              I’m having the same fond memories of Jeffrey. I detested the a-hole when he was on the show, but at least he had some designer chops. The a-holes this season are bloody mediocre designers. (Looking at you Josh).

            • vmcdanie

              Jeffrey (and Santino and Kenley and so on) had his assy moments but he was a real person and not some shrill reality show caricature. He also had genuine talent. I used to rush out and buy the latest season on DVD but I haven’t done that since S5. The glory days are clearly never coming back.

              Well, maybe Santino was a caricature. But an original one at least.

          • Anonymous

            I’d take Jeffrey back over Santino.  I keep thinking back to the all-stars episode where Jeffery was low key and Santino went out of his way to be a twit.

          • Toto Maya

            Still hate Jeffrey, but I’d take him back if I could see him kick Josh’s ass.

        • Anonymous

          Kenley was okay! I watched the season over again the other day on TV and she just was who she was…at least you knew what you were dealing with. 

          • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

            I always got ‘spoiled and bratty’ from Kenley, but never manipulative and evil.
            I still like her… that cheong-sam styled dress with the rope neck, I loved it.

            • Anonymous

              Agreed!

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          • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

            I always got ‘spoiled and bratty’ from Kenley, but never manipulative and evil.
            I still like her… that cheong-sam styled dress with the rope neck, I loved it.

          • Anonymous

            I disliked Kenley’s personality but she made some things I absolutely loved.  I loved her personal style, too.

          • Anonymous

            Kenley remains my least favorite contestant of all time, but having been related to a textbook narcissist (which Kenley is), the behavior was a little too close to home. 

          • vmcdanie

            Kenley certainly had her personal flaws (no doubt exacerbated by the stress of the competition) but I loved most of her work and frankly, I madly covet her personal style. And as Pinup said, she wasn’t manipulative and evil. Just…troubled.

            • Anonymous

              Right on! And I’ll tell you what – I will take a Kenley who is live and direct and you know EXACTLY what  you are dealing with than some insecure little passive aggressive snipe that smiles at your face and stabs you in the back – Same thing with Wendy Pepper…irritating to be sure but NOT two-faced.

            • Becky Simmons

              Isn’t Wendy the one who was pretending to be nice to people while looking for ways to undermine them?

        • Anonymous

          I even miss Wendy Pepper a little. >ducks<

          • Anonymous

            I would love Pepper to come back. To me she was a pain in  the ass no doubt…something wrong there but you knew JUST who she was and what you were dealing with. Consistency of character is integrity. PLUS I think she called out Kierasan (however you spell it) for JUST who she was in the finale with great style, perfect wording and aplomb. One of THE best (and most deserved) tell offs in PR history. AND she was awesome on the reunion.

            • Anonymous

              Kara Saun. And you’re absolutely right. Kara Saun’s holier-than-thou attitude was well and truly called out, and her machinations around the shoes when Jay and Wendy played by the rules showed Kara Saun for her real self.

      • Anonymous

        And the Duchess herself, Michael Kors!  His clothes always look fabulous on skinny runway models as well as women with icky breasts and hips.  I don’t just mean non-models, like Michelle Obama, but non-stick celebrities in general.

      • Anonymous

        And Rami! I would kill for one of his gowns.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

        Most gay men I know are quite in awe of breasts.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12500056 Joseph Lamour

          Like, I’m not in awe of breasts, they’re pretty great but still… I know women have them. Olivererererer, if you want to dress a flat skinny woman, you want to dress boys. 

      • Anonymous

        Oooh, Uncle Nick!  Indeed he does know how to dress women-and now I’m going upstairs to look fondly at my Uncle Nick PR Barbie Doll!

    • Michael Colvin

      See, I agree with you in is sad that he was so clueless about how to work with a client, and that will not serve him well as a contestant or frankly as a point person in the fashion industry. There’s no a way a person with their own label can function in the real world without being able to talk to real women/clients. 

      But what I found offensive is his wanting to force a person into a state of androgyny and throwing a fit because of a *gasp* curve. It just felt beyond ignorant or inexperienced – as a human being, there was something really wrong with that line of thinking. Of course it was edited to within an inch of its life, but still. I was a fan of precious moments before this episode, and now I hope he quickly gets the auf just because I want the schardenfreude of it all. 

    • Michael Colvin

      See, I agree with you in is sad that he was so clueless about how to work with a client, and that will not serve him well as a contestant or frankly as a point person in the fashion industry. There’s no a way a person with their own label can function in the real world without being able to talk to real women/clients. 

      But what I found offensive is his wanting to force a person into a state of androgyny and throwing a fit because of a *gasp* curve. It just felt beyond ignorant or inexperienced – as a human being, there was something really wrong with that line of thinking. Of course it was edited to within an inch of its life, but still. I was a fan of precious moments before this episode, and now I hope he quickly gets the auf just because I want the schardenfreude of it all. 

    • http://www.epilonicast.net/theydontknow Peter White

      I do so love it when children grow, even when they don’t realize it.

    • http://www.epilonicast.net/theydontknow Peter White

      I do so love it when children grow, even when they don’t realize it.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Exactly! Ohio Oliver’s accents were killing me this week. He reminds me a friend who went to Australia as an exchange student for a year at 16 and came back with the accent that lasted until at least high school graduation. “But you’re from NJ, right?”

      And that top, with some tweaking, was really good and flattered the client. I liked the plaiting across the middle; it surprisingly did not add bulk. The pants looked ordinary to me. This was the best Oliver submission yet. I’m assuming that he will be the next to clean up his workspace.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Exactly! Ohio Oliver’s accents were killing me this week. He reminds me a friend who went to Australia as an exchange student for a year at 16 and came back with the accent that lasted until at least high school graduation. “But you’re from NJ, right?”

      And that top, with some tweaking, was really good and flattered the client. I liked the plaiting across the middle; it surprisingly did not add bulk. The pants looked ordinary to me. This was the best Oliver submission yet. I’m assuming that he will be the next to clean up his workspace.

      • Helen C

        He grew up in Taiwan.  It’s not the same comparison to your New Jersey friend.  

        • http://www.facebook.com/mary.nease Mary Nease

          English speakers from Taiwan don’t sound like that. He went to *school* for a few years in England- the British accent is totally fake. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/cruz.alejandra Alejandra Cruz

            When I went to London, I met a lot of immigrants who were learning English in the UK.  Of course they would learn English with an English accent.  How does that equal a “fake” English accent??? I don’t get it.

            • Anonymous

              I have a friend from Spain who learned English form an Irish instructor. He has the most mind-bending accent you will ever hear when speaking English.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12500056 Joseph Lamour

              I think we’re all forgetting that Oliver is from the midwest. Of America.

        • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

          Mea culpa. I heard Grew up in Ohio + 1 year in London + 1 year in Milan = Olivier’s accent. I missed the Taiwan part.

          • Anonymous

             I believe he’s also fluent in 3 other languages other than English?

          • Anonymous

            There is no mea culpa on your part Susan. It is a valid comparison. Growing up in Taiwan has nothing to do with his accent. I worked with a lot of students and post doctorate researchers from Taiwan and other parts of Asia when I was in graduate school. The only non-British person I met with a British accent was a a post doc from Malaysia who went to boarding school in the UK when he was a child. Olivier went to fashion school in London and Milan for a short time and speaks several languages. He also mentioned that he lived in Ohio. He seems to be somewhat facile with languages but living in London for a few years when you are 16 does not give you a British accent, he adopted it and you can tell by the way it changes when speaks. Helen C should have researched the facts before she said your comparison was not valid.

            • Toto Maya

              Yep, 16 is way past the age when you will get an inherent accent unless you spend a LONG TIME there, like decades, and actively try to get the accent (that’s why people I know who came to the US 20 years ago even as teenagers still have very heavy accents, because they didn’t care about changing them). Spending a couple of years in England will not change your accent like this. You can fake one, but if he’s still speaking like that after coming back to the US he’s faking it.

            • http://profiles.google.com/rosatcollege Ros Clarke

              I spent two years in the US in my mid-thirties, actively trying to avoid picking up the accent.  When I came home to the UK everyone commented on my ‘American accent’.  It happens.  For what it’s worth, I don’t hear a British accent on Olivier, but it’s certainly confused which would be consistent with his history.  I really don’t think he’s putting anything on deliberately.  He doesn’t have enough spare braincells to do that.

            • http://shuflies.blogspot.com catherine_sr

              I’m Taiwanese-American, currently living in Taiwan and I have relatives and friends who went to university or grad programs in London or, like Olivier, spent their formative years in one country, then their adolescence in yet another. You *can* end up acquiring accents like Precious Moments if English is not your first language and you went to school in England, or if you traveled so much as a kid that your accent became mutable. Language/accent acquisition is a fascinating thing and varies widely from person to person. I’m not saying Precious Moments’ accent is not fake, but I don’t think it’s fair to automatically assume that it is. The way he speaks reminds me of Malan from a previous season, who was also born in Taiwan and lived all over the place as he grew up.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000020870811 Joe Murphy

              He seems to be somewhat facile with languages but living in London for a
              few years when you are 16 does not give you a British accent, he
              adopted it and you can tell by the way it changes when speaks

              If it changes when he speaks, why is anyone even saying that the accent he “adopted” was “British”? Just because of that clip where he said “I was born in Ohio and I moved to England”?

              Sure, there are some hints of Britishness in his pronunciation, but I also get a sense of some kind of Asian influence in his speech (or maybe that’s more to do with his syntax than his pronunciation), and who knows where the second syllable in “gi-a-normous” comes from.
              Sum total of which, Olivier’s accent strikes me as a mishmash of influences, not a failed attempt to impose a British accent on top of a purely American one.

        • Anonymous

          It is a valid comparison. Growing up in Taiwan has nothing to do with having a British accent unless he went to a Britsh school as a child or was raised in a household of speakers with the accent. He lived in the UK for awhile and adopted the accent as Susan’s New Jersey friend did. There are some people who do that unconsciously and
          psychologists actually study why it happens.

          • Anonymous

            Ooh! Where can I read some research on the whys? I’m highly susceptible to other people’s speech patterns (my accent can shift a bit in a matter of seconds, depending on who I’m talking to) and I always sort of wondered why that was true for some people and not others.

          • http://onebluetree.blogspot.com/ Sara L.

            I actually do this, and it is totally unconscious. I spent a summer working with a bunch of people from the UK, and by the end, was drifting in and out of just about every accent they had. I didn’t do it intentionally, just picked it up from hearing it all the time. So it doesn’t bother me.

            • Toto Maya

              Yeah, but do you still have the accent if you are no longer there? Chances are your accent reverted back once you went home. Oliver’s would have too if he wasn’t trying hard to keep it like that.

          • Angela Nace

            Most foreign countries in the world teach their children British English as opposed to American English when they are in school.  For that reason, many do pick up the mannerisms that are natural to a British accent.

            • Anonymous

              A friend of mine spent a year in Austria, and had the worst time with her English class, because it was British, not American English. She said she spent most of the year biting her tongue, so as not to declare “You’re doing it wrong. It’s not a lorry; it’s a truck.”

            • Anonymous

              A friend of mine spent a year in Austria, and had the worst time with her English class, because it was British, not American English. She said she spent most of the year biting her tongue, so as not to declare “You’re doing it wrong. It’s not a lorry; it’s a truck.”

          • Anonymous

            But if the English accent was acquired subconsciously through his environment, by that same argument wouldn’t he also have lost it and then subconsciously adopted a NY accent by now? I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, figuring his accent was some sort of amalgam. But even children who are raised in the US by non-native speakers tend not to speak with an accent at all. They have the same American accents as their peers in school, not the accents of their parents.

      • Anonymous

        The point is that whatever his background is, it’s clearly a fake accent.  It changes every 15 seconds.

        I’m sure we’ve all known people who have lived different places and have unusual but real accents as a result.  The difference is that  those people speak with those accents consistently.

        • Anonymous

          Totally agree that the accent is faked.  I feel like it has something to do with some sort of identity crisis on his part.  In my opinion, it seems like he’s ashamed about some part of his identity.  I’m leaning towards the idea that maybe he is ashamed of his Asian background?  (bleaching his hair, etc.)  If that’s the case, and he did grow up in Taiwan, maybe he is adopting his weird pseudo-British/”European” accent to hide a natural Taiwanese accent?

          Either way, his accent is bizarre and his designs are less than inspiring, and I hope he goes soon!

          • http://shuflies.blogspot.com catherine_sr

            I wouldn’t say that Olivier is bleaching his hair because he’s ashamed of being Asian. I’ve bleached my hair before out of sheer boredom with my usual hair color, and I’m so comfortable with being Asian that I’m an Asian-American who *moved* to Asia. I do think you bring up a good point about adopting a pseudo-English accent to hide his Taiwanese accent. People associate European accents with glamor, whereupon you do get a lot of flack if you have an Asian accent. If that’s the reason, it makes me very sad, because it reminds me of the shit and teasing my parents and other relatives got for having an Asian accent in the US, when they actually speak extremely fluent English.

            • Anonymous

              True.  I’m Asian-American too and have bleached/dyed my hair every imaginable color of the rainbow at some point so I’m not saying that’s the case with everyone.  But I feel like coming from Oliver, I wouldn’t be too surprised if that was his reasoning, because he just seems so uncomfortable with everything about who he is.

          • Anonymous

            Olivier is at the age that most young people experiment with different looks and self-presentation. He’s been exposed to enough British English that it comes easily to him & the poor little fledgling never dreamed that reality t.v. would put his minor affectation under such scrutiny.  I lean toward thinking it’s an intentional exaggeration of something he tends to do anyway – he very well could be someone whose accent drifts unbeknownst to him depending on who he’s surrounded by, what he’s seen on t.v., or even the topic of conversation – I believe this because my own does that, to a minor degree. At his age, before I’d live for so long in one place it was more marked.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J6STP5JH2BEHKGKHFTMJIVQNYM Gretchen W

      My criticism was….Didnt’ Kimberly make this exact outfit for the Nina challenge???

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J6STP5JH2BEHKGKHFTMJIVQNYM Gretchen W

      My criticism was….Didnt’ Kimberly make this exact outfit for the Nina challenge???

      • Anonymous

        My daughter said the same thing

      • http://twitter.com/ladymadonna512 ladymadonna512

        Bingo.

      • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

        ? Not even close

      • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

        THANK YOU! I’ve been thinking that since I saw the episode! He defnitely had a lot of design elements (i.e. the pleating) that she didn’t, but the silhoutte is the same.

      • Anonymous

        YES!  Kimberly made a better version of this type of outfit for the Nina challenge.  The design of her top and choice of fabric were much more on trend.  The fabric Olivier (whatever) chose for the top was unflattering, and I’m glad his client spoke up about her dislike.  Oliviers (whatever) behavior was childish and ridiculous.  His clients were impressive in handling him. 

      • Anonymous

        I put that in my comment too – similar structure and colors!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1007327979 Sara Frankart Finn

        Wow, you’re right!  Except Kimberly’s pants weren’t too blousy in the front while somehow also being almost obscenely too tight in the butt (the client was totally right that they were going up her crack – yuck)

        • Anonymous

          the client was totally right that they were going up her crack – yuck

          And, bizarrely, he didn’t want to be bothered hearing about that! 

          • Anonymous

            Can you wonder? If he can barely deal with female boobs, I’m sure the female ass crack isn’t something he wants to sully his sensibilities.

      • Anonymous

        It does look similar in color and cut to Kimberly’s outfit, but no where near as stylish. Olivier has also made some version of this top in at least three or four challenges now.

    • Anonymous

      He’s a bit of a work in progress… still coming up with his shtick.  Androgynous waif vs slammin’ body….It’s funny to watch at times….  His gentle freakout was a hoot… something tells me he’s never heard of a mid course correction.  

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        He’s heard of the course correct- it was suggested to him rather firmly in the New Balance challenge- but has chosen to forge ahead with his own ideas.  

    • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

      Poor boy. Poor boy.  He’s utterly lost here.  If he thinks that getting out into the actual realm of the fashion industry, he’s going to get by with such antics, he’s not merely a child, but self delusional.  He’s not only going to have to get used to existence of breasts but the fact that behind the scenes he’s gonna end up seeing rather a lot of them bared to the world as models get fitted or change.
      As to his work. I gotta say that as we go along here, his fall back, fold the fabric around the torso thing is getting tired.  And the fitting neck to hem on the top was horrible.  It was cut too long for the client’s torso. so the back was bunched up and the side zip was rippling.

      Not much to say about the pants. Meh.

      • Anonymous

        Can’t agree with my adored T & Lo on this one.  Olivier created a completely standard bottom. So -50% right there.  The top was an horrendous (non)color, used flimsy, cheap looking fabric, was very poorly fitted (so tight across those “things which shall not be named” his model couldn’t even smile from lack of oxygen), and unaccessorized except for a pair of sunglasses.  

        I honestly don’t care what his accent du jour is, or where he’s from.  The kid (and most of the others this season) needed a few more years under his wee little belt before he should have qualified to be on this show.  Maybe it makes for better reality tv the way it is, but from a professional designer perspective, the show is sliding into irrelevancy.

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

          After this episode, I sent a prayer to Bravo to buy the show BACK!

          • Anonymous

            Amen!

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I hope in a few years, when he’s had time to “bake” some more, he’ll realize how silly this personae was.  Lord knows, I regret some identities I tried on at his age.  I didn’t go on TV, though, so thank heavens, mine’s not preserved for all time.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            Buffy reference!

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, thinking of him watching himself on t.v./youtube/whatever (esp. in later years) is what pushed me over into feeling sorry for him. 

    • Anonymous

      I know Precious Moment’s time management issues have been brought up repeatedly, but I truly can’t see 2 days worth of work in this outfit.  The pants are simple (and the seaming looks puckered to death), and the origami is his “thing” and even it’s wonky–the under bust darts look like extraneous nipples.  No wonder she looks ticked off.

      • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

        that was my take on it… he just doesn’t know how to interact with anything or anyone outside of his little world view bubble.

        • Anonymous

          My thoughts exactly. He doesn’t know, and doesn’t seem to want to learn, how to interact with living breathing human beings.

    • Anonymous

      “Olivier didn’t react in the stupidest manner possible because he’s gay; he did so because he’s an idiot.” 

      If you don’t like the fact that women have curvy bodies, why are you aspiring to be a fashion designer???  Go home.

      • Anonymous

        well, if you would eliminate all fashion designers who don’t care for “real” female bodies, New York Fashion Week could be renamed New York Fashion Day.
        Olivier is just immature/delusional enough to not put white lies around that topic.

        • Helen C

          THANK YOU !

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          “A morning fashion show in New York City. No fatties allowed!”

          • Anonymous

            to be honest – it’s the department store designers’ task to smooth
            trends out for a wider range of figures. It’s not required of designers
            who might show at fashion week.

            Quite the opposite: fashion forward designers wouldn’t get much praise
            if they did – as you can see on project runway where wearable likely
            gets the critique “don’t bore nina” or “I already saw that at so and so”
            or “so department store”

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Oh yeah, I know that about designers who might show at FW, and I don’t expect anything different. I’m just irritated by the fashion industry’s general attitude towards women who wear anything larger than size 6.

            • Bubbles Lopez

              But it’s not impossible to do fashion week level designing for plus sized women. That’s what bothers me. We’ve decided that fashion week is about tall, skinny, and no boobs or curves. At this point wouldn’t it be edgier to design something that doesn’t cater to that body style? I’d much rather look at women who look like me, even if they are wearing haute coture that I wouldn’t be able to afford in a million years. Designing for a wider body range doesn’t need to be boring or department store-tastic.

      • Anonymous

         Agreed!  If Olivier doesn’t want to make clothing for women with a body, why be on a television show that focuses on exactly that.  Olivier (whatever) made some fairly insulting comments to women at large.  Perhaps it was supposed to be funny when he spoke about women’s breasts, but it certainly translated as derogatory.  Design for designs sake, well maybe, however PR is supposed to be about finding the next great American fashion designer, and has always focused on fashion for women that can be translated into a marketable line.  Isn’t one of the prizes a marketing and selling on Piper Lime? 

        • Janie Rainwater

          He should become a performance artist if he doesn’t want to work on human women.

        • Anonymous

          It’s not just women. When he thought it was a menswear challenge, he was very adamant about his distaste for fatter men. He’s more sizist than sexist.

          • Anonymous

            I think he’s just inexperienced and married to the pictures in his head.

    • Anonymous

      I loved the top.  Would like to see that top made into a dress.  Would buy it!

      • Anonymous

        I have it, though it’s a bit more structured and architectural.  Bought it, oh, lord,  a dozen years ago, maybe?  At Fleur de Paris, in New Orleans.

    • MilaXX

      That was my feeling exactly. Oliver lacks the maturity and real world experience to deal with this couple. Instead of insulting, I found it funny.

      • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

        pretty much.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, he didn’t make those comments because he’s gay – he made them because he’s an idiot! I wouldn’t say it’s his best work in the competition, though. That jacket from the team challenge was his best! As for accents changing under stress, I can say, with first-hand experience, it happens and it doesn’t necessarily mean the accent is fake. I grew up on the Jersey Shore, complete with Jersey accent, but when I moved away from the area, I lost the accent. Not intentionaly or artificially – just naturally. But when I’m stressed, angry or excited, it comes back with a vengeance!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MN3NQ262BP3YF2RQJ4DYQQBDMA Shalia

        But he’s from Ohio.  And spent like a year abroad.  And he goes from American to Aussie to about 4 different British accents in minutes.

        I’ve lived in the south, and can pop a good southern accent automatically when I’m pissed.  But you’ll never hear me go southern, cockney, aussie, etc.  

        • Anonymous

          And spent like a year abroad. 

          Well, no.  He was born in Ohio, moved to California and then Taiwan when he was young.  Went to design school in England and then worked in Milan.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mary.nease Mary Nease

            His accent is so fake, though. I studied abroad in London and a few of my friends there lived in America until they were like nine or ten and then moved to England. They have very neutral American accents, but their accents aren’t British in the least. Especially considering that Olivierierierierieridingdong only went to *school* in England, his accent is ludicrous. I haven’t been able to stand him from the start based on that alone. He is so fucking pretentious. 

            • Anonymous

              Everybody’s different.  I knew two brothers – East Indian – who grew up on Long Island.  One had a very strong New York accent (Long Island accent?  I’m not from New York.) The other had a more standard TV-American accent.  I was raised in California by Korean parents who grew up speaking Japanese and Korean and Chinese –  and then moved to the U.S. where they became fluent in English.  People tell me I have a slight English accent.  It’s probably an unconscious pretense, but it’s unconscious and it’s part of who I am. My brother is more “just folks” and has this kind of down-home American accent.  It’s just part of who he is.  Olivier is most likely just being himself, the confusion of cultural identities that that is.

            • BuffaloBarbara

              I don’t think the accent is fake so much as “unset” from all the moving around.  And yes, people pick up accents at different speeds.  I have friends who’ve lived in the south for a couple of decades and still sound like they’re from Western New York.  I’m on the phone with a Texan for five minutes and I have to fight the drawl.  I picked up a little downmarket Boston the first time I was there, but the second time, I was surrounded by so many totally different accents that I never slipped out of WNY.  It’s probably set more as I’ve gotten older.

            • Anonymous

              In The Heidi Chronicles, Susan asks Lisa why her sister doesn’t have an accent. Lisa replies, “My sistah is ‘The New South’ ”
              I grew up in the South and my mother knocked any southern accent out of me whenever I slipped into it. I still have people here in Virginia, where I was born and raised, ask me where I’m from. Yes, everyone is different. Yes, Olivviiviiierdksiier’s accent could very well be a mish-mash. But I think the little boy is a lost little lamb and is trying something on. It isn’t fitting, honey. Put on your big girl panties and use whatever naturally comes out of your mouth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mary.nease Mary Nease

            And I also should mention that English speakers from Taiwan do NOT sound like that. I know at least five Taiwanese people and none of them sound anything like that. 

            • Anonymous

              FIVE Taiwanese people? You have me totally convinced now.

      • Andrea Rossillon

        I’m the same way–when I talk to my (northern) friends from college, I have a pretty middle-of-the-road American accent. When I get tired or pissed (or drunk), I start twanging and drawling all over the place.

        • Anonymous

          Happens to me, too.  I’m a New Englander who most people say has a fairly  neutral accent.  But I found out from a friend I road-tripped across country with that when I’m exhausted or sick or stressed, I staht drahpin’ ahs and g’s allovah the place.

    • Anonymous

      I can’t believe that anyone actually mad a comment attributing his stupidity to his sexuality when, as you guys point out, there were so many examples of gay men doing the opposite of him right on our TV screens.

      I didn’t think about it at the time, but your right, his clients did have to go into full-on parent mode with him. Forcing him to work harder, telling him they were on his side. He should’ve been in the bottom.

    • Anonymous

      With the exception of Olivier the designers were surprisingly quiet about the clients shapes and sizes, but maybe that was because the men were glued to their hips at all times.

      • http://profiles.google.com/denise.alden Denise Alden

        I think you’re right.  But the producers missed a great opportunity:  wouldn’t you just have loved to see someone like Josh getting his lights punched out by a husband?

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          If it were us, and a designer had complaints about my body in front of my husband, I can promise you it would have happened!

        • Anonymous

          Given the producer manipulation, I’m really surprised this didn’t happen, lol!
          srq

    • Anonymous

      Love the fact that I’m  going to have the song, “When Will I See You Again”  stuck in my head!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H5XXOQYC6DXH2M5OPPHSBTHTTI andrea

      he doesn’t seem like an idiot. he seems like he has the very NON-endearing innocence of someone with asperger’s syndrome. and while we are diagnosing people: josh is a sociopath. master manipulator and con-man. his tirades and then apologies are totally contrived and calculated to get exactly the affect he desires. he’s much more skilled than the sociopath on “food network’s next star”, pam. she was no where as smart or smooth. watching him work everyone sends chills up my spine, i was married to one for 9 years. 

      • Anonymous

        I was actually wondering about Asperger’s as well — the way he was so undone and overwhelmed having to interact with people.  On the other hand, I don’t recall him melting down during group challenges….

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H5XXOQYC6DXH2M5OPPHSBTHTTI andrea

          well, not that we saw anyway. the person i know best who has asperger’s, would have been perfectly quiet during those group challenges. 

      • Anonymous

        This is hilarious. Everyone always theorizes strange and offputting people on this show have Aspergers. Why can’t weird assholes just sometimes be weird assholes? lol

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          Ha! I hear you. If all the people on reality TV who’ve been internet-diagnosed with Asperger’s actually had it, there wouldn’t be any interaction at all (assuming that’s an indication of Asperger’s.) What’s interesting is the one person who said she has Asperger’s – Heather on America’s Next Top Model – was internet-diagnosed as a liar.

          Lots of people can be maladjusted without having Asperger’s.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H5XXOQYC6DXH2M5OPPHSBTHTTI andrea

            and a lot of really maladjusted people do have asperger’s…. 

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H5XXOQYC6DXH2M5OPPHSBTHTTI andrea

          well, sadly, in a very unsophisticated way, that’s a really good description of a lot of adults with asperger’s… weird assholes…. 

          • BuffaloBarbara

            Well, that goes into the “personality disorder” vs “personality type” debate.  Is “Asperger’s”  just a name that we’ve slapped on the slightly odd introvert?

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Yes. It’s the condition du jour.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H5XXOQYC6DXH2M5OPPHSBTHTTI andrea

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_Syndrome

              if you have lived with someone with asperger’s, you know it’s no joke. it’s very real and it’s affect on the people around you and your life are very real. 

            • BuffaloBarbara

              I wasn’t joking, and I’ve lived with people who have real mental disorders (a roommate who went after her mother with a hammer because Mom was apparently “bringing evil energy” into the house comes first to mind–trust me, I know from living with mental illness).  I’m not convinced that the “symptoms” of Asperger’s are anything but odd behaviors.  I think we’ve pathologized a lot of things that are just different.  I’m sure those things can be trying on people who don’t have the same differences, but I’m not sure that’s a reason to label them mental disorders.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Asperger’s is a real thing — I know a guy with it who is absolutely unable to connect with people.  It’s actually a form of autism. 

              But because people keep screaming it over every weird thing anyone does in public, it’s hard to believe in it.  (My sister-in-law is fond of telling my brother and I that we have Asperger’s… no, we just hate people and like getting our own way)  Real Asperger’s is far more severe than anyone on this season of PR has. 

            • BuffaloBarbara

              Exactly–when it’s over-diagnosed, a real problem may go undetected.  I’m not completely convinced that Asperger’s is a discrete disorder, or that another diagnosis doesn’t cover the debilitating forms.  I’ve also seen so many people diagnosed as “autistic” when they’re actually “shy” that I’m automatically suspicious of that diagnosis, too.  There are too many advantages to being diagnosed–extra time on tests, leeway in school, etc.

              When SF/F cons are jokingly referred to “Aspie cons,” there’s a problem with the way the term is popularly defined.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              I do know people who have Asperger’s, and I also know that half the people who have been diagnosed with it (particularly those diagnosed by the internet) don’t have it.  It’s very sad for those who have it, just like ADHD was 20 years ago, when any child with an energy level higher than a slug or an IQ lower than Einstein had ADHD.  Or the persistent tendency to label everyone who’s sad as depressed — I have severe clinical depression, and most of those people who say they’re depressed aren’t, they’re just sad.

            • BuffaloBarbara

              Uh-huh.  Major difference between sadness and depression.  For one thing, depression can suddenly descend out of absolutely nowhere and be completely overwhelming.  Sadness usually has a basic, real cause, and passes with time.

            • Anonymous

              I’m unwilling to slap Asperger’s on Olivieieriere.  I honestly think that he is very lacking in real world experience and also somewhat immature for his age.  Add in the conditions of filming for reality TV, and he’s just melting down.

            • Anonymous

              I’m unwilling to slap Asperger’s on Olivieieriere.  I honestly think that he is very lacking in real world experience and also somewhat immature for his age.  Add in the conditions of filming for reality TV, and he’s just melting down.

        • Anonymous

          Halle-freakin-lujah, Shemina! As someone who works with children, I am more than weary of every behavioral lapse being (often falsely) attributed to Asperger’s or something else on the autism spectrum. It’s insulting to people who actually have autism. It was the same thing with ADHD in the 90s, And even if someone is a qualified professional, autism spectrum conditions cannot be diagnosed by watching someone on a TV for minutes once a week. One can suspect and theorize, but one cannot diagnose or confirm.

      • Toto Maya

        I’m sick of everyone diagnosing anyone who displays even a tiny amoutn of ignorance and assholery with asperger’s. It’s honestly pretty insulting to people with the syndrome. Unless he has been diagnosed by a professional, don’t act like he has it because omg, he isn’t the best person with people. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn’t, but it’s insulting to assume that he does because he’s quiet, just like it’s stupid to assume Bert is because he is out of touch.

        • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

          I do agree with you. I think it’s just gross in general to speculate as to someone’s mental health, as if it were a competition of some sort. We don’t know these people. Even someone that one knows intimately might not have all of the tell-tale signs of a mental illness that is slowly pulling their very lives apart from within. It’s easy to speculate and point, it’s apparently a lot harder to accept that there are just some things that can’t be explained. Mental illnesses don’t necessarily have a physical manifestation or easily readable signs, so I think that, unless it’s someone that one knows intimately and is genuinely trying to help, it’s best to not speculate, especially in a public setting.

      • Toto Maya

        I’m sick of everyone diagnosing anyone who displays even a tiny amoutn of ignorance and assholery with asperger’s. It’s honestly pretty insulting to people with the syndrome. Unless he has been diagnosed by a professional, don’t act like he has it because omg, he isn’t the best person with people. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn’t, but it’s insulting to assume that he does because he’s quiet, just like it’s stupid to assume Bert is because he is out of touch.

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      Can I just mention how hideous her hair is? Not sure how THAT made it out onto the runway.  

      Oliver was a complete embarrassment this week, and so is that outfit. That top is hideous, and the pants are blah. He’s a trainwreck. 

      • Anonymous

        I gasped when I saw the back view on this post.  Her hair style was awful.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQPXLNCBM5CZSHZZXJDHPVFS7E Buffy

          To be fair, Olivier was sewing the pants when Tim came in and reminded him that his client was supposed to be in hair & makeup, so it was probably a rush job. Still, you’d think professionals could pull out something better than this in 15 minutes.

          • Anonymous

            But that brings back the problem of time management and organization.  Evidently, he took 1 3/4 days to do that oragami top and a few minutes to do the puckered pants.  Not good planning, and certainly not good execution.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Oh my god, the hair. They must have brand new cosmetology students doing the hair, with no one checking it before it goes out. It’s a disgrace. What in hell is Cute Mustache Guy doing back there, anyway? Isn’t he supposed to be in charge?

        • Anonymous

          I LOVE Cute Mustache Guy! I cannot believe this was his handiwork

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            I can’t believe it either, but someone is letting that terrible work go out on the runway. I’ve seen some bad hair this season, but that was the worst.

          • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

            Yes, what is his name? He is cute!

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          Olivier didn’t get her to hair & makeup in time. And he blamed it on her for “chillaxing” in the lounge.

    • Anonymous

      I too thought Oliver was hilarious. As was the way the clients treated him, like a highly-strung toddler. the outfit was fine but I fear he is going to disappear in a puff of smoke soon

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      For me, one of the most irritating things about Olivier this episode wasn’t the boobs thing — it was the whining thing.  “I can’t work with this woman because she’s not exactly what I want in a model.” 

      I don’t care if he likes skinny, boyish hipped and busted women.  Whatever.  Those women need clothes too.  A designer can’t be all things to all people, and if his style is a minimalist androgyny, fine.  (Though seems to me like he’s about 20 years too late — Calvin Klein did it in the mid-90s) 

      BUT… this is not the first season of this show.  There is no good reason why any designer should come on this show and not realize that they’re going to have to do something that isn’t their thing.  And there’s no reason why a designer can’t look at a situation, realize it’s not his or her strong suit, and move on.  To sit and complain endlessly about his client/model, when it wasn’t going to change or help in any way, was insulting to both her and to the viewers, not to mention stupid.  If I were in HR for a designer label, I would not hire him after seeing him throw his little tantrums here. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

      He’s not an idiot, he’s an ass.  It just gets masked a bit because he’s so soft spoken.  The combination of him being bratty but unassertive, with  his couple both having strong personalities was no doubt going to lead to problems.  Yes, he turned out a decent outfit, but it was almost by accident.  The things that came out of his mouth were just ridiculous and rude.

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

        He displays the mannerisms of a very articulate toddler.

    • Anonymous

      yes, what did they do to that poor woman’s hair? Was that Oliver’s idea too?!

      • Anonymous

        Remember he totally forgot to send her to hair and makeup? They showed her talking to the hair stylist, so I’m guessing they were just winging it. It certainly looks like it, anyway.

    • Anonymous

      She does have nice boobs — and there’s probably no way she’s wear this in real life, what with the weird things the pleats are doing that somehow seem nipple-related but lopsided, pulling low, and other almost indescrible things. 

      • Anonymous

        Those pleats are unfortunate.

    • Anonymous

      Doesn’t it also seem similar to what Kimberly produced for Nina Garcia?

      As I watched Oliver, I also thought it comes more from being young. However, someone with so much travel experience should be a bit more open.

      He does have a pigeon holed idea of what women are/should be like (flat, simple, etc) without actually considering who WOMEN REALLY ARE. For me the perfect contrast to Oliver were the pictures and discussion of Oscar de la Renta. Those clothes are beautiful, as it is also clear that Oscar loves women and wants to dress them beautifully. Valentino also comes to mind.

      If Oliver is ever going to grow as a designer of WOMEN’S CLOTHING, then he needs to learn a bit more and accept a bit more about WOMEN.

      • Anonymous

        That’s the first thing I thought – this looks like a retread of Kimberly’s Nina win, althought a bad one.  That happens, though, every season.  Ideas move around the room because it’s in their field of vision.

      • Anonymous

        totally agree! I was just about to post the same thing regarding it looking like a Kimberly knock-off. But it does have his signature origami pleating thingy going on.

    • Anonymous

      I think this refers back to the criticism of the judging on this show.  If the judging were more consistent and valuable, Precious Moments might be helped in the long run.  Though we all know it would drive producers insane.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, he is just a kid – and one who is sadly lacking both flexibility and a filter between his mouth and his brain.  If the challenge had been to actually design for those “real men” instead of for their partners, I believe Olivier would have simply replaced “fear of boobs” with “fear of beerguts” and had the exact same hissyfit meltdown.

      • Anonymous

        Then, if he did get a thin man, it would have been “fear of penises”. “What’s this strange thing on his crotch? How am I supposed to dress around that? Men should be eunuchs, like my Ken dolls.”

    • Anonymous

      Seemed to me Precious had no confidence in his abilities and had a weird fight or flight response. “I don’t think I can properly fit boobs” became “Boobs are evil!” “I don’t know how to deal with these opinions and listen to clients” became “Clients should be seen and not heard!” He was scared shitless, so he started saying extremely stupid things in order to feel less scared. It was funny to see the contrast between him with his client (stumbling, quiet, uncertain) and him in the confessionals (shouting to the mountaintops about how big of a moron he is.)

    • Anonymous

      “Will I have to wait forever? Will I have to suffer and cry the whole night through . . . ” Thanks. Great. Now it’s stuck in my head. ;-)

      • Anonymous

        Me, too! Make it stop!!!

        • Anonymous

          Oh, but The Three Degrees are seventies awesomeness! 

      • Anonymous

        I have had that freakin’ song in my head all morning! When he is auf’d, I will sing, “When will I see you again…” very loudly.

    • http://www.joannao.blogspot.com JoannaOC

      I don’t know if they recruited women who had some modeling experience, or just coached them really well, but all of them did a great  job of walking the runway, much better than I’ve seen in some local fashion shows with aspiring models.

      • Anonymous

        Better, in fact, than most of the regular models this season.

        • Anonymous

          I said exactly that while watching the episode.

          Is it de rigueur now for models to slump their way down the runway, trying to blend into the background?

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        They really did. And they were having a blast. Maybe they should spend a few hours with this year’s PR models and teach them a thing or ten.

      • Anonymous

        I was very glad the real women were of similar sizes.  It’s just not fair–because of the differences in build and what’s flattering–when they have a size 2 woman and others who are size 16.

    • Judy Raddue

      Spot-on!  PM’s comments had nothing to do with him being gay.  I’ve been clothed and costumed by many gay men – if anything, they adored by ample rack.  In fact, the only costumers who’ve had a problem with my size-14 self have been straight women who’d bought into the idea that a double-digit dress size = obese.   

    • Anonymous

      His client was absolutely right when she said that the pant should be a wide leg.  That would have totally balanced out her top half and been so much more flattering.    Tim was also correct when he said that Oliver has time management issues.  In two days, he couldn’t construct these two pieces flawlessly (or at least near flawlessly)?    And I can’t with the revolving accents anymore.  Oliver, you’re from OHIO.  Deal with it (not a knock at Ohio, I grew up there too).

      • Helen C

        He was born in Ohio.  He didn’t grow up in Ohio.  (Family moved in California and then Taiwan when he was little).  

        • Anonymous

          Taiwan may be a valid influence, but California is not so drastically different from Ohio that it would produce such an accent.

    • Anonymous

      The accent – I almost forgot!!

      I have lived in Germany for 7 years and I know lots of long-term ex-pats all over the world. Trust me, you do not get that kind of accent from one year abroad. In fact the longer you live abroad, you find that your English actually becomes pretty accent free. It is a flat “from no where” kind of English. Not that crap he is spouting!

      • Anonymous

        Not so sure about that.  I had a teacher from Oklahoma who had been an opera singer in Germany for over 20 years.  Her English now definitely sounds from nowhere, but it’s closer to the British/German hybrid accent that a lot of Germans use when they speak English.  Agreed, however, that Olivieieieier’s accent is jacked up.  Poor little lost boy.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          It’s totally jacked up. If he weren’t slipping from one bad accent to another every couple of minutes, I might agree with the folks here who are giving him the benefit of the doubt. And I’m not usually one to call “bad accent”, but his is worse than David Boreanaz’ Irish accent.

          I think he expended so much energy trying to maintain his accent that he didn’t have the energy to deal with real, live, actual human beings.

          I truly believe that, despite his travels, he’s very sheltered and unworldly Maybe he had overprotective parents. Maybe he’s painfully shy to the point where his interactions with other people are affected. Or, as someone suggested in an earlier thread, maybe fashion is all about theory to him. The design is what’s important. People are secondary to his work. If that’s the case, it does seem weird that he would audition for PR. I can’t imagine what his motivation would be.

        • Anonymous

          I have trained as a classical singer, and I’m wondering if that had something to do with your teacher’s “hybrid”. When singing in German, one is obviously encouraged to pronounce the language in a proper textbook manner, and even one’s enunciation in English becomes more crisp as a consequence of formal vocal training. Whereas someone merely living in Germany around German-speakers (or English-speakers with German accents) might not pick up such a strong accent.

          Also, 20 years is a lot longer than Olivier lived in London or Milan. Combined. ;-)

        • Toto Maya

          There’s a big difference between 20 years and, like, 5 years though. When you spend decades in a place your accent might change, but a couple of years isn’t enough – it might change while he is there but it would slip back into the regular accent once he left.

      • Helen C

        He didn’t live one year abroad.  He grew up in Taiwan and then moved to Europe as a teenager.  

        • Anonymous

          I thought he said in an earlier episode that he was from Ohio and moved to England when he was 16?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000020870811 Joe Murphy

            He did say that he was born in Ohio and moved to England when he was 16–I remember thinking “WHAAAAT!? Where the heck does your accent come from, then!?”–which is probably what the editors were going for. :) Note, however, that he didn’t say he _stayed_ in Ohio for those intervening 16 years. In his casting video, he went into greater detail:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tQJWKgr4Jk
            “I was born in Ohio. And then I moved to [the] West Coast and lived in San Francisco and Los Angeles when I was a kid, and then I moved to Taiwan with my parents, and then I moved to London when I was 16 by myself.”

            We also know that he studied in Milan, where he learned to speak Foreign.

            • Anonymous

              Even though this season sucks, it has given us some gems. “Speaking Foreign” chief among them.

              As for our precious little Oliviovaries, thanks for the background. He reminds me of young kids (usually pre- and early teens) who try on various personas as they are getting to know themselves.

      • Anonymous

        I must be one of the few people who isn’t bothered by Ollie’s *accent*. I have always thought that he seems to be struggling a bit with a lisp though.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1007327979 Sara Frankart Finn

      I knew this was going to be a bad episode for Olivierierier when there were about 4 guys left on the runway to pick from and they cut to him saying “only the fat people were left”.  That was the first time I yelled at my screen that evening.  My husband wanted to know what I was yelling about, so I ran it back to show him these were not fat people, and he actually start to defend little Precious Moments! “well he’s used to working with tiny models blah blah blah”  so what? that doesn’t make it ok to be a snobby insulting brat.  I should add my husband is a soldier, he doesn’t watch PR with me, definitely not his cup of tea.  Therefore I never thought there’d be a fight in this household over Project Runway…

      • Anonymous

        How totally insulting was that comment…only fat people left…ridiculous.  “Fat is fine, but not when I’m designing clothes”.  OK bubble boy.  This show has a final prize of designing and selling a line on Piper Lime.  Pretty sure that dress forms don’t shop online.  

      • Anonymous

        You know what they say “Men come from Mars…” Etc.

      • Toto Maya

        Seriously, and none of the men were even that big. Some had different body shapes, but whatever. He’s a menswear designer, that should be the one thing he can do. If he’s a menswear designer who expects his clients to all look like 14 year old boys he’s in trouble.

      • Toto Maya

        Seriously, and none of the men were even that big. Some had different body shapes, but whatever. He’s a menswear designer, that should be the one thing he can do. If he’s a menswear designer who expects his clients to all look like 14 year old boys he’s in trouble.

    • Anonymous

      Well actually Oliviivivivivier is showing his roots of being from Ohio and putting a woman in tapered pants. Too many women here still wear them. Hell, trying to find a wide legged pant, or straight leg can be near impossible in a lot of stores (I live in Ohio).  Poor lil boy is going to be in for a very rude awakening when he has to deal with the real world.  I for one can’t wait for that moment to happen, and wish I could be a fly on the wall when it does. 

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier did a commendable job translating his vision for “difficult ” clients. Both the husband and wife were pushy and opinionated but were unable to really say what they wanted. Olivier was correct to not want to compromise too much of his design aesthetic because they aren’t real clients, he is still competing  as a designer and pleasing the client doesn’t get you very far on PR. Note that all three of the bottom clients loved their dresses.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I think she was pretty articulate. She just wanted something that was SO not Olivier. I agree though, he knew the real people to impress were the judges. He just was a jerk about it.

    • Anonymous

      He’s in for a rude awakening when, of if, he ever goes out into the real world of the fashion industry.

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      Great analysis. I think this is his best or only interesting work on the show, period. And far more interesting than his runway show.

    • Addicted2Glamour

      This model has a Slammin’ body – imagine the possibilities in designing for this gorgeous hour glass figure. The top has potential, but the color makes it veer a little close to Ace Bandage territory. And the pants.,.oh my. They make her look like she’s 3 inches shorter and 30 pounds heavier than she probably actually is. 

    • Anonymous

      I just thought it was funny he had no sense that people in the world will watch this. Since he’s not going to win, he should be taking advantage of his 15 minutes in the hopes someone loves his designs and comes to him with work. By showing he has no capacity for working with clients or people who aren’t flat as ironing boards, he’s putting himself at a disadvantage for the future. 

      • Anonymous

        By showing he has no capacity for working with clients or people who
        aren’t flat as ironing boards, he’s putting himself at a disadvantage
        for the future.

        But you’ve just described Christian Siriano, and he seems to be doing quite well for himself.  I guess he’s learned to tone it down.

        • Anonymous

          Well, in PR, Christian had to deal with a client who thought she was the designer and Christian her own private tailor. I think he would have been able to better handle the size of the girl if he wasn’t childishly annoyed by the rivality in ego size.
          But I feel you are correct in your comparison in the fact that like Christian, Olivier had to deal with strongminded clients that would discuss to death every aspect of the design. Watching the episode, I thought too of the season 4 clients’ episode.   

          • Anonymous

            I wasn’t thinking only of the prom challenge (Christian hadn’t a clue how to deal with that!), but also of the fact that, in the other challenges, his garments never seemed designed to flatter a woman’s body.  I will say that he does seemed to have matured in both respects, though I’m still not a fan. 

            • Anonymous

              I agree. He had matured a lot since PR and it did serve him well.
              I was so pleased to see him briefly pictured on a  french fashion channel at the occasion of a NY Fashion week (can’t remember if it was May of this year or last year September). It was short, it did mention PR very evasively  but I was delighted to see a PR contestant broadcasted in my country, even if wasn’t one of my favorite.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            Yeah, I think he would have been fine with making a dress for her. But she was, to put it bluntly, a little asshole. And he was only 21, which, by definition, means he thought he knew everything, because didn’t we all at that age. I found him pretty annoying, but I was totally on his side during the Prom Dress challenge.

            • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

              I had forgotten about that episode! He did well with the weight-loss challenge though.
              Christian was immature, but incredibly smart. And he actually had real design-world experience, both of which helped him become the success that he is. 

            • Anonymous

              Well, I wasn’t. She was obnoxious but she still was a client and he had to at least respect that even if he had every right to stood up to his being on the chopping block. But, as you said, he was only 21. So very childish and overactive. Does puberty ever stop ?

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Good question. For some people, I’d say it does never stop.

              You’re right that he should have respected her being the client, and he definitely didn’t handle it well. But she went in thinking she was going to design that dress all on her own, showed no respect for him, and totally steamrolled him.

              Maybe the problem is that we expected someone in that situation to be the adult.

    • Scott Hester-Johnson

      Boobs are icky!

    • Anonymous

      The thing is though, working directly with clients is no longer a “real world experience” for designers. Clothes used to be universally made for you, by a local tailor. During these times of mass manufacture and factory production, that is kind of a local dressmaker thing now, and while what they make may or may not be fashion, it’s kind of hard to call it part of the “fashion industry,” at least in modern and professional terms. Even high-end RTW and couture usually don’t really design things specifically for celebrities or private clients, they design what they want, send it out everywhere and see who eventually chooses to wear it. Sometimes they’ll make things, but even that is usually more “redesigning a design from the season” and not making something completely from scratch with the client as muse. And when that does happen, it’s because you’re super VIP and most likely very famous or very connected, not even just that you merely have the money to pay for it. The private haute couture businesss of old is so rarefied and TINY these days, it’s kind of pointless to compare anything in fashion to them, because that is not and will never be the reality or business model for 99.999999999999% of designers in their career. We’re in an age of technical industry, not romantic old world ateliers.
      The fact is, designers in design school only work on sample size mannequins and almost always only make sample size garments. Because in the industry, that’s the size you design, have “sampled” (ha), fit, and then it is graded to different sizes by a professional patternmaker, not you. Few designers do this work themselves on the job, and if they do it is because they are small and unable to outsource it. Things are designed with a specific customer type in mind (young contemporary party girl vs. working mom) but not a specific client or person. It’s a bit ridiculous to stand there arguing about an ugly color or fabric a client likes when maybe you would be able to offer them something you like, that’s NOT ugly, and they will surprisingly like too. That is your job as a designer – to give people what they want, even if they don’t know they want it, and do it a way that is totally new and unique but familiar enough to be comfortable. That’s fucking hard. And in the real world, you do that alone, and then it’s up to the young party girls or working moms to buy your shit. If you’re good, they do, and if you failed in providing them something stylish, practical, and familiar enough, then they don’t and you go out of business. In the stressful time crunch of this show, I’m sure it nerve-wracking to the extreme to argue with a real woman client, because you ARE designing independently in the real world, not listening to the whims of others. YOU are the designer. I find these real woman challenges to be as unrealistic as the “make a dress out of dog toys for the First Lady to wear” challenges, at least in terms of what actually goes on in real life. Can anyone be surprised this show hasn’t churned out any real successes? Even American Idol’s track record blows PR’s out of the water.
      Sure, saying things like “women shouldn’t have boobs” is stupid and immature, and Olivier’s worrisome sweating was over-the-top and annoying compared to the other designers. (I mean, big boobs vs small boobs, the garments are constructed the same, the patterns are just shaped differently…and he got the job done, so he was obvi capable.) Olivier annoys the shit out of me in general, as I find him to be worst kind of pretentious cliché when people think of designers. But, his flaw is not really that he is inexperienced; it is that he is inflexible and not really that talented. When you design, you have to know how to use elements to draw your eye to certain places, away from others, create corrective proportions, etc. This applies to all bodies, so yah, you might have to think a little harder if a woman has extreme features but it’s nothing crazy. In that respect Olivier sucks. Everything he designs is very similar, and he clearly can’t step away from it. (To be honest, never trust a designer that can’t ever use color. Yah, so Margiela got away with it, but who are you? Nobody. Let’s be real here. Nobody cares about your ‘vision’ until you have one that’s worthwhile to someone more than you.)  
      (Sorry, that was long.)

      • Anonymous

        All of the challenges are unrealistic.  PR is a game show.  The winner gets a prize.

        • Anonymous

          Yes exactly. Then why is everyone saying Olivier will never survive in “the real world”? That he clearly doesn’t have “real” experience designing for women? This show has nothing to do with the real fashion industry. Olivier is obviously unsuited for the show, but that has no bearing on his actual career prospects for design. Yet everyone is acting like one equals the other. You can’t really have it both ways.

      • Anonymous

        It isn’t as if this is the first season and there haven’t been “real women” challenges in every season.  For a contestant to apply for season 9 and not have the sense god gave a lemon to realize he would have to , at some point, deal with “real bodies” is just ridiculous.  Either he is completely dumb or he is completely putting on a character, fake accent, bad attitude and all.

        • Anonymous

          I’m always amused at how shocked the designers are when they have to design for non-models, or use materials other than fabric, or work with each other.  Have none of them watched previous seasons?  There might have been an excuse for the Season 2, or even Season 3, designers, but by Season 4 the likely challenges should have been obvious to the meanest intelligence.  Yet we still see looks of surprise on their faces.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            That is exactly my problem with it!  None of this should come as a surprise!

        • Anonymous

          I think you kind of miss my point. I admit I rambled a lot. Yes, I think the real world challenges are dumb and unrealistic, but beyond that, I was addressing everyone calling Olivier inexperienced, “no real world experience,” “no experience with real women’s bodies,” etc. Most people don’t seem to know how clothing is actually designed and produced. Even designers for super mass market like Target and Wal-Mart do not use “real women’s bodies,” they use fit models, which by definition are the ideal body for that specific line and its fits. I said Olivier sucked. You need to be able to roll with the punches and he clearly can’t. I just said it wasn’t because he “has no experience working in real life design” or whatever. That may be true, but I think we’ve all noticed this pattern of frustration in many of the recent design school grads and I was just trying to explain why. Even lines like Lane Bryant use the ideal “bigger woman” shape when designing. Industrialized clothing sizes are just a median that can only encompass so much leeway. That is why women who have more extreme features (very large butt with small waist, super tall, cartoon-like bust, etc) have to try on 75,000 pieces of RTW to wear clothing to find something that will fit them as is, without tailoring. And this show is, without a doubt, about RTW clothing, as is NY Fashion week. Not couture or custom-designed clothing at all, which is why these challenges are so incongruous and stupid.

          • Anonymous

            I might also add, this “ideal woman” for any size is the hourglass figure, which means bust, hips, cinched waist. That is why the standard go-to “department store” dresses on this show (and in department stores) is like Bert’s dress. Simple, and it will flatter the largest amount of people.

            • http://twitter.com/Wild_Horses__ Beth

              Thanks for those two posts, Shemima. Just about everything I know about the fashion industry is from this blog, so I enjoy it when someone explains these things in depth.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        My Like button isn’t working, so “LIKE”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000020870811 Joe Murphy

        Great post, I just take issue with this:

        Can anyone be surprised this show hasn’t churned out any real successes?
        Even American Idol’s track record blows PR’s out of the water.

        AI has been one of the most popular shows in recent TV history, not a niche cable show. Its winners are determined by active  audience voting. The prize is a recording contract and management, not just money and a pat on the head–”Okay, now go produce and distribute your own product, or find someone who will.” Even if PR were equivalent to AI in all those things _and_ was based more on real-life fashion-industry skills, I think the fundamentally different nature of the end product–designer womenswear that has to not only appeal aesthetically but also fit the buyer’s body, budget, and lifestyle–still makes it unlikely that PR would have as high a success rate. (Especially if you define “success” as “starting your own line” as the PR opening seems to).

        (And sorry, this wasn’t intended as a rant directed specifically at you; it’s more me thinking out loud, trying to figure out ways in which they’re different.)

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          And far more people buy music than designer clothing.  These designers all do women’s wear, which means only half the population could buy from them, and most of that half don’t have the money to spend on clothes to support a designer anyway.

    • Anonymous

      Poor baby LOllie. I’m sure he thinks he popped out of an egg instead of some nasty, icky female body. He does have a bit of growing up to do, doesn’t he? I am pretty certain that it won’t be long until he learns the hard way that the fey-fairy-princess-with-a-pseudo-accent shtick isn’t going to get him much further. I still don’t like this week’s effort. Too many seams, too many puckers and again the color of dirty water.

      • Anonymous

        L’Olliverier is a pod-person, completely devoid of genitalia or a belly-button. Hence the revulsion at the idea of any one who isn’t completely androgynous, and the act of reproduction via any mode other than mitosis.

        • Anonymous

          Mitosis…that made me laugh

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          So, he’s David Bowie in The Man Who Fell to Earth? Actually, I could be totally wrong about that, because I’ve only seen the movie once and it was a while ago. But it’s the first thing that popped into my head.

    • Helen C

      Well just look at any Fashion Week.  How many of these clothes have “real women” and curves in mind?  
      he’s just too stupid to actually say it out loud.  
      And on the accent thing.  It’s not like he grew up in the Midwest.  He lived most of his life in Asia and Europe.  It’s getting funny how indignant some people are with his accent just because he was born in the Midwest.  

      • Anonymous

        Yes, in no fashion show real sized woman is taken in consideration. But the fashion show is a vitrine, a spread of talent to lure client in the shop where commercial and wearable variations of the product can be made and adapted to the non-model portion of the population. It’s like the designer says “yes, I know you can’t wear that sample size. But how about coming to my shop to see what I got in the rack that might fit you like a glove ?”
        It takes great talent to actually download highfashion to a commercial level and that what makes a name in the industry : wow the fashion editors but sell to the masses.

      • Anonymous

        when did he live in asia?  i thought he grew up in the midwest and then went to milan and london as a young adult.  i need to go back and read his bio.

    • vmcdanie

      Really? I thought this was actually a bottom look, one of the worst on the runway. Not only middling execution but boring. Olivier’s clothes bore the shit out of me.

      Poor Olivier. He’s young, he’s in a stressful situation and I don’t mean to play armchair therapist but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has a touch of Asperger’s (I recognize some of my own Aspie stress-induced reactions in him.) That was a low-key but hilarious meltdown. I don’t want to dress fat people, I don’t like it when women have boobs, clients shouldn’t have opinions. A fine, lucrative career dressing mannequins awaits you!

    • vmcdanie

      Really? I thought this was actually a bottom look, one of the worst on the runway. Not only middling execution but boring. Olivier’s clothes bore the shit out of me.

      Poor Olivier. He’s young, he’s in a stressful situation and I don’t mean to play armchair therapist but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has a touch of Asperger’s (I recognize some of my own Aspie stress-induced reactions in him.) That was a low-key but hilarious meltdown. I don’t want to dress fat people, I don’t like it when women have boobs, clients shouldn’t have opinions. A fine, lucrative career dressing mannequins awaits you!

    • vmcdanie

      Really? I thought this was actually a bottom look, one of the worst on the runway. Not only middling execution but boring. Olivier’s clothes bore the shit out of me.

      Poor Olivier. He’s young, he’s in a stressful situation and I don’t mean to play armchair therapist but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has a touch of Asperger’s (I recognize some of my own Aspie stress-induced reactions in him.) That was a low-key but hilarious meltdown. I don’t want to dress fat people, I don’t like it when women have boobs, clients shouldn’t have opinions. A fine, lucrative career dressing mannequins awaits you!

    • http://twitter.com/thedogsmother thedogsmother

      The accent arguments are interesting. I know a family that came to the US when their children were pre-schoolers. The parents’ accents are Northern English and so strong that it is a struggle to try and figure out what they are saying. The children all have plain, old American accents and did from a very young age. I grew up with American parents and was born and raised in Canada. Other Canadians can pick me out even though I’ve been in the states for 30 years now.

      • Anonymous

        Anyone who is a Military Brat could agree. We tend to be able to pick out undertones of a once was there or lived accent however faint. Accents are not across the board even in the US, and even if an overall tone is standard American, there is sometimes a whisper that will come through to let you know where someone was raised .

      • Toto Maya

        Generally people will have the accent of the area they lived in ages 3-4+. It can still change if they move to another area, but after age 12 or so you honestly really have to work at your accent to get it to change. That’s why at my university there are around 5 professors who taught me from many countries all over the world who had lived in the US for over 20 years but still had heavy accents – they never bothered to try and change them.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, he is a Bubble Boy. Yes, he showed his ass that episode. He’s also very much not used to tailoring for women’s curves because he was traditionally a menswear designer until he came on the show. He also dealt with it in a hilariously wrong way (he acted as if boobs were the spawn of Satan). 

      • Anonymous

        Yes yes yes to your last sentence!

        If he had said, “I’m a menswear designer. I don’t have a lot of experience fitting to breasts,” then we would have had some sympathy for him. If he had put on his big-boy pants and further said, “Well, gotta learn sometime” then I would have been cheering for him.

        Instead, he went the exact opposite direction, freaking out at the thought of having to design for Real People™ instead of a robot.

        • Anonymous

          He called the men fat so that didn’t endear me either. I know zip about menswear (although I have some vague notion that stuff comes in actual real sizes, like so many inches for collars, inseam, etc? I am totally not sure about that.). Would that fly in that part of the fashion industry?

        • Anonymous

          So, if he’s adamant about designing menswear and not having to deal with boobies (a word I dislike), why did he come on to Project Runway?  Along with his fluctuating accent, there seems to be more to his story.  But at this point, not sure I really care to learn what it is.

    • http://twitter.com/thedogsmother thedogsmother

      ps – Precious Moments is one of your more inspired nicknames. Clinque Counter comes in a close second.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        It’s definitely a good nickname, but I made the mistake of going to learn more about Precious Moments, and make sure they were the tacky little figurines I thought–and I discovered a terrifying world out there.  Terrifying.  One word: Chapel.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, so that’s what Precious Moments are. They are kind of creepy, aren’t they?

    • Anonymous

      I thought this shirt looked a lot like the “avant garde” top that he made. The origami you guys are referring to keeps popping up in his work. I hate his color choices, too. I do wish him luck, but I don’t think he’s going to be that successful in the world of fashion unless he learns how to handle people. 

    • Anonymous

      This is the best work he’s done?!  Didn’t he win a challenge?  The fact that the boobs are lopsided makes this a giant fail for me.  Couldn’t believe he was safe. 

    • Anonymous

      Well, not only he doesn’t have any experience with clients and real people measurement but he landed with what was possibly the worst and the best clients for him. Worst because both of them clearly knew what they did and didn’t want. What they wanted was a nice and flattering outfit for her. And they something very precise in mind.
      What they didn’t was for the designer to let his instinct take him away from what they wanted.
      And Olivier just didn’t know how to react to that and deal with them. The fact is, they were the nicest people, wanting their own private designer win the challenge. They clearly saw him struggling and decided that he needed guidance. It must have been so frustrating for Olivier. The face he made when Tim lectured him about time management and the husband add his pinch of salt. I could see a teenaged version of Olivier rolling his eyes internally and complaining “daaaaaaaad !” under his breath.
      And they were the best clients for him because he got the choc of the reality of clothes’ design right in the face. Even if you’re the top of the top, you always have a client and you have to deal with their whims. And those two were tough : The lady was very adamant about everything and her husband picky about fitting and else. Maybe he’ll learn from the experience.

    • Anonymous

      All I could think was, “Bless his heart.”  How in the world is he going to have a career if he doesn’t like boobs or clients? 

    • Anonymous

      I think you’re giving him too much credit. He might act like a child, but he’s old enough to know better. He’s clearly a misogynist and an asshole, but his quiet demeanor and bizarre accent draw attention away from it. To me, he’s far more dangerous than Josh, who I loathe. Also, I hated this design.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t forget his comment during the “model selection” that he was “left with a bunch of fat people. Which is fine. But not if you’re designing clothes.” He’s such a jackass.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Somehow I’ve never found it impossible to make clothes for myself and I’m a size 8, double D cup — which is about what his client was…

        • Toto Maya

          Wait, you WEAR CLOTHES? And you’re bigger than a size 2? What fuckery is THIS? Why have I been walking around naked this whole time? Do you think Olivier will give me permission to buy clothes??!

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            LOL!  What do you mean, you’ve been walking around naked?!?  No, you’re clearly supposed to never leave your house, where you must stay wrapped in a giant sheet at all times to spare the delicate sensibilities of those who may be forced to see you if you leave!

    • Anonymous

      Precious Moments needs to figure out what he wants to be when he grows up. If he wants to be an artist, then he needs to quit pretending to be a fashion designer. If he wants to be a fashion designer, then he needs to figure out that clothes are worn by people, and people aren’t dress-forms.

      Maybe he wants to be the designer for the Empire (in Star Wars), designing for all the stormtrooper clones.

    • Anonymous

      Oh, honey. You can’t start dissing and ignoring real women’s bodies till you’re a *famous* designer.

    • Anonymous

      Oh god, thanks for channeling my anger at Oliviovaries into laughter with “Am I bovvered?” He IS a child, but he is a petulant, bratty child, which I cannot abide. I actually liked his clients. I think they really wanted him to win and were trying to give specific feedback, but he had no idea how actual productive conversations work.

      • Anonymous

        Middle and safe was too good for him. He should have been in the bottom instead of Bert.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I thought all 3 of the safe people could have been swapped with the bottom 3, honestly.  With the possible exception of Anthony Ryan — that dress kinda sucked. But it had a really nice story, and he’s shown enough talent in the past that I’ll give them a pass.

    • Anonymous

      This doesn’t look too bad on her because she is attractive and well-proportioned.  It doesn’t fit, it’s unflattering, the colors are bad, it bunches and puckers, and the only styling elements are a sad messy hairdo and a pair of sunglasses.  Total design crap.  I would rather watch a year of Josh than another minute of this little jerk.

    • Anonymous

      I think he is very talented.  He is just also very immature and works too slow for the time limits this show gives to the designers. 

      I think he probably lashed out at the fact that she had “boobs” because HE had no idea how to make a garment for that figure type.  I do not think he has very much experience.  Isn’t he basically a menswear designer?  That’s what I saw in his portfolio.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WendyLKaufman Wendy Kaufman

      Oh Hons, his clients were amazing.I would have LOVED to meet them. As for Precious’ accent, in earlier stressful moments, I clearly heard Asian influences. I had a roommate in college that lapsed into her dad’s English accent in times of stress. It was adorable, and very embarrassing to her. Precious seems to think it works for him. I have to wonder if Precious has had ANY clients. WTH is he designing women’s clothes if he wants them not to have breasts? Really, now. Design for men if you have an aversion to breasts. Your clients–those you have CHOSEN to design for–come with them. And WHAT designer does not know what a cup size is? Has he even LOOKED at the demographic he’s designing for? OFGS. This boy is REALLY irritating me. Misogynist.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I wonder if maybe some of the English accent is to mask the Asian accent.  My mother-in-law, who was raised speaking Chinese almost exclusively, uses a very precise method of speaking with very odd word choices specifically to try to hide any trace of her Chinese accent.  My sister-in-law, who was born in Chicago, went to Chinese school just like my husband for years (kind of the Chinese equivalent of Hebrew school, at least in Chicago) and learned to speak Chinese but has always refused to do so because she doesn’t want to be “less American”.  A flat Midwestern accent is somewhat difficult to master, while the British might be easier for him, and still hide the natural Taiwan accent. 

    • Anonymous

      “No, Olivier didn’t react in the stupidest manner possible because he’s gay; he did so because he’s an idiot.”

      THANK YOU! Olivier’s worn out his welcome. He’s okay, but not great, and he’s becoming more grating as the series goes on. His top was okay, but it was titscrepancy city. The pants were awful. He’s lucky he wound up in the middle, or his client would undoubtedly have had a lot to say.

      • Anonymous

        something about him reminds me of Ping–lack of connect with the real world, how to organize, and how to communicate with non-delicate souls.

        • Toto Maya

          But Ping was endearing to me, she didn’t come off as an asshole.

    • Anonymous

      It’s funny to me this season how quickly designers are going from totally under-the-radar to Public Enemy No. 1. First it was Viktor, then it was Bert, then it was Josh, now it’s Olivier. (I hope Anthony Ryan doesn’t have a non-precious moment.) Yet another aspect of this season that, to me, reeks of producer manipulation. You can just tell that the questions they’re getting asked in the confessionals are 100 aimed at generating bitchfests.

      (Actually, I think the producers did try to get a non-precious moment out of AR when he and Becky chose the same fabric, but because he isn’t the antichrist, he didn’t fall for it.)

      • Helen C

        AR was hated by quite a lot people when he was working with Bert and he produced an awful garment.  But then he redeemed himself with a nice product the next episode.  So did Viktor, by proving he can work well with other people and he can produce nice products. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          And so did Bert — he was wonderful with both his student artist and his clients this week.  He even handled Josh’s bullshit well last week.  I think the moments in the lounge with Anthony after their team challenge really gave him a wake-up call.  He’s been back in my good graces for a couple weeks now, as has Victor — mostly for the same reason: they’ve both proved they CAN work with other people after that disaster with the two of them.  Besides, they both get points for saying nice things about each other’s work since then.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah.  Pretty much spot on.  The moment I started laughing uncontrollably was when he started talking about how he just wanted to create his own vision, the way he wanted, and people would flock to him like the Pied Piper of Fashion and take what he has produced, and be glad he had deigned to touch them with his brilliance.  And the unicorns will dance and play with him as he works.  He clearly has no concept whatsoever of designer as an occupation.  It’s a very childlike show of inexperience, and there’s not a ghost of a chance he will win this, crazy producer-based judging or no.

      • Anonymous

        There is something very, very naive about Olivieieriere. The lack of sleep and pace of PR challenges seem to be taking their toll on the boy.

    • Helen C

      Has anyone seen this???  http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/project-runway/video/designer-video-blogs/season-9/episode-8/strange-relationship

      • Anonymous

        Oh my GOD that’s hilarious. If only for Ryan’s attempt to imitate Olivier’s accent which fails because Olivier’s accent is not real. 

      • Anonymous

        I forget to check Lifetime’s website for little gems like this. They’re honestly far more interesting, insightful and humorous than the acutal program.

      • Anonymous

        I forget to check Lifetime’s website for little gems like this. They’re honestly far more interesting, insightful and humorous than the acutal program.

    • hoez

      Woah, people hating on Olivier in here. I personally thought that a lot of what he said was wrong but it’s also reaaaaaaallllly typical of people on these kinds of shows. Other designers probably said the exact same things, but I guess they wanted to give Olivier a storyline, hence the focus. I recall this exact same thing happened with James Paul on the Fashion Show and people got their panties in a twist over whatever he said about women. What Olivier said was wrong and shouldn’t have been said at all but I think a lot of the criticisms toward him because of the are a bit extreme to say the least.

      Anyway, apparently in this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hPcpsQnbD4 )detailing Bert and Olivier’s strange relationship…. there are some comments about Olivier and how he has a brutal honesty to his words when he speaks. (for example, Bert would say something and then Olivier would respond in a calm manner “That makes no f*cking sense, Bert.”) That probably played a big part in this resulting ~no-boobgate~ and it’s probably exactly why Olivier was focused on in the last episode.

      Oh and according to his Facebook, he identifies as bi?

    • hoez

      What makes it ‘not real’? Just wondering if people are basing it on the misinformation that he lived in Ohio for most of his early life when he actually lived in Taiwan and California after being born in Ohio. He also seems to be fluent in four languages which could’ve played a huge part in the way his ‘accent’ works. He mentioned this on his Facebook: “People seem to have a conclusion that I lived in Ohio till I was 16(the tv editing to blame). You can search online for my casting video or my home video or other bio related interview where I stated that I was born in Ohio and I moved to Taiwan when I was little. I never listed my hometown as Ohio either…my accent is not really British after all if you have some knowledge of British accents. I guess it’s just a mix of everything :)”

    • Susan Crawford

      Poor little Oliviereriere. Well . . . actually, screw little Oliviereriere and his affectations, his insanely unrealistic perspective on what it means to be a designer, his dislike of women with breasts, curves, and – worst sin of all – actual ideas about what they want to wear. It was an entertaining routine for a couple of episodes, but at this point it is simply tiresome and offensive and stupid. Grow UP, Oliviereriere – or GO HOME. Go back to your little wee woodland cottage beneath the bluebells where you can design for mute, androgynous faery-folk. Because, honey, you have no way of surviving in the real world of design and fashion in the real world.

      • akprincess72

        Word.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      His client really worked it on the runway. Her attitude up there was better than a lot of the paid, flat models that are supposed to be doing it this season.

    • Anonymous

      As a pattern maker I saw his garment as one that I would not like to pattern, or that a factory would want to sew. It looked like to me that all he did was put a piece of fabric on his form and pinch in pleats until it fit the way he wanted. more like fitting elements than design elements.  All those little tiny pleats, darts and seams would be a mess to figure out how to slit the pattern, and in production they would never end at the same place! I’ve made plenty of pattern with shapes and darts, never one this assymetical and messy.

    • Anonymous

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaDlQ0rnM5k – The designers on Olivier’s sizist attitude. LOL. I like Olivier, but it is pretty hilarious. “He is scared of the world.” Apparently he also calls the usual models they use ‘fat’.

      • akprincess72

        “I don’t care about real women, they can look however fat they want”?????   Duct tape please!

      • Anonymous

        “I had difficulty with those…things” (ie breasts) LOL
        PS. Seriously? The normal models are not fat. You can’t be much smaller without losing some bones. 

      • Anonymous

        “I had difficulty with those…things” (ie breasts) LOL
        PS. Seriously? The normal models are not fat. You can’t be much smaller without losing some bones. 

      • Stephen Trask

        There is absolutely nothing sizist in what he size.  Professional models should look the way they should look.  The should be the size that is listed by their agency and they should be in their best shape whenever they go on a job.  That’s the job.  Designers rely on models to have a certain body type.  Whatever adjustments are made by designers when their clothing is sold in the real world to real people, they all design for models to wear and that’s about the extent of what he is saying, even if he says it like Yoko’s little bits of dialogue on “The White Album.”

    • Anonymous

      Pardon the picture but I just remember thinking “omg, Olivieire has never gotten laid!” It’s like he literally has no actual concept of what bodies look like or how real bodies work. In his mind it’s all just some abstract thing he throws material at and hopes something sticks. 

      • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

        I have a hard time believing Oliver has never gotten laid…just maybe not with people old enough to be his parents.

        • Anonymous

          But was he raised by wolves, having no experience interacting with adults?

          • Anonymous

            Nah. He’s too delicate to have been raised by wolves. Maybe swans.

            • Anonymous

              Dunno. I was attacked by a rogue band of swans in Vienna once. They were pretty scary!

            • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

              I think he’s one of those Asian gay guys who have a tendency to act all delicate and dainty like a lotus flower. He’ll bloom and mature out of that phase. I know I could get in trouble for what I just stated but would it help to admit that I’m Asian too?

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        My thought exactly. Forget Asperger’s. Maybe he’s asexual.

        I think he lives entirely in his own head, and is perfectly happy to stay there.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KEYJDIENR5MRK2NXJYKNOLWDFE Alexandria

      “Am I bovvered?” That’s where you got me laughing out loud. That would have been glorious indeed

    • Anonymous

      I just want to say all of you with your various endings to Olivierrrrrrrrresque&%*, etc, had me cracking up in all the recent posts!  :)

    • Anonymous

      My husband looked up from the computer in order to exclaim, “OMG, what has he done to her boobs!” He thought this was the worst look.

      And another gem from the man (who loves to buy things, but doesn’t really like to shop) – “Any middle aged man who doesn’t thank God for gay men is an idiot. They will take her out and shop for hours on end and bring her home to you looking great.” As opposed to shopping with girl friends, when one comes home a little wasted and having purchased things you can’t even remember the next day in the bags.  :)

      For what its worth, I’m short and round, not size 00.

    • Stephen Trask

      I’m just going to jump in and disagree with my beloved T Lo and pretty much everybody else.  First, he made those comments because he was prompted to make them by people interviewing him.  Even taken out of the context of the entire interview, there were always caveats like “fat is fine, but not when I’m designing clothes.”  OK, sure that still sounds bad but it is a design competition.  If the men hadn’t been chosen in order of body mass index during the opening segment or if there were one picture in all of T Lo’s Fashion Week coverage of a big-boobed hippy gal or beer-bellied balding guy walking down the runway then it might be salient to fault him for the things he said.  But he was merely the guy the interviewers were able to coax into saying out loud and in some version of English what was said tacitly by every designer in the competition and by every designer who showed in Fashion Week.  With regards to working with clients, he said he was concerned with his ability to please them and the judges at the same time and was stressed at working with body types out side of the designer norm in a competition.  He was never rude to his clients. The only time he said no was when he was asked to produce a Gucci knock-off.  He took the pants out at the clients request. He remade the top in a different fabric after Tim’s critique, (which might account for some tailoring issues) and, more than any other curvy lady on the stage, his client’s body looked slamming in the outfit.  So, in fact, he did learn something.  
      So, everyone just lay-off my reality show boyfriend.

      • Anonymous

        Agreed — as I posted a couple of days ago — the interviews with Olivier reminded me of hostage videos —and to rewrite the joke — they were tormenting him with DDs out of camera range.

      • Anonymous

        Prompted to make those comments?  Do we know that for a fact or is that speculation on your part?  Seems like we’re taking an awfully big leap here to make that statement as if it were a fact.  Besides, prompting someone to comment doesn’t mean the comments are the thoughts of the prompter.   He could have said anything.  Unless he was forced at gunpoint, he has to own his statements like every designer before him.  

        • Stephen Trask

          All of the offending comments were made during recap interviews.  It is the job of the interviewer to prompt answers that will generate as much interest as possible.  Then editors pick and choose bits and literally take them out of context and stick them wherever in the show they will provide the most drama or conflict.  That’s how it works. 

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Sorry, but they can’t put words in your mouth — he said them, whether they were somewhat out of context or not.  I can guarantee they would never get sizist comments out of me, because I HATE the way the industry treats women’s bodies.  It wouldn’t matter how much prompting, they’d never get them.

            Olivier DID say those things — if you want to argue that he maybe had a point on any of the comments, or that he did still try to work with his clients, that’s valid.  But the “it’s all the fault of the evil editors” doesn’t fly.  And if he really didn’t have a problem with it, why did everyone in the lounge during judging recognize that he had been freaking out?

            • Anonymous

              Well, you could say something like ” I actually heard a designer on Project Runway say- ‘fat is fine, but not when I’m designing clothes!’ Can you believe that?!” -  And have it edited completely out of context.  This happens far more often than we think!   so yes, a skilled interviewer could probably get you to say just about anything they wanted!  I’m not saying this happened in this case, but it does happen and even you could be a victim!

            • Anonymous

              We’re veering into la-la-land. Skillful editing could be said about every one of Josh M’s or Bert’s comments and every nasty comment made by any contestant in the history of PR.  “It’s all taken out of context.  That’s my statement and I am sticking to it”.   Sometimes, just sometimes, that’s a cop-out.  Just saying.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Granted, but the odds are against it.  And no, I’d never say that to someone with a camera for just that reason.  But then, I grew up on politics and I know far better than most people how easily words can be twisted.

              More likely, he said it — perhaps with some qualifiers that made it less egregious, but still conveyed the sentiment. 

              There’s also a question of tone — in the example you provided, the tone would be off for a stand-alone comment.  It would be blown up or said with a humorous slant.  They can take a snippet, but the tone in the snippet can give away a lot.  In fact, they could just take random words from over the course of the show and string them together to make any statement they wanted — but most people are going to be able to hear the editing at that point because the tone of voice isn’t consistent throughout.  There are inflections at the beginning and end of a statement that can usually be spotted if they are missing, like if they took the quote from your example. 

            • Anonymous

              Reality shows definitely do do that sort of thing all the time, Project Runway being no exception – sometimes, they’re really bad at it and it’s amusingly obvious that the quote is out of context or stitched together from two different comments. They’ve even done it to Tim, at least according to the man himself. Not just reality shows, I might add, documentaries even sometimes resort to that sort of thing – I know, for example, of scientific documentaries which have edited scientists explaining why a hypothesis is wrong into them just explaining the hypothesis – presenting it as though they agree with it.

              In this case, though, I do have my doubts. It seems more likely that he does hold exactly the sentiments he expressed. But so did pretty much everyone else there, or he wouldn’t have been in a position to say some of the things he did. Most of them had the sense to keep quiet about it, but, as always on the show, the thin people got picked first, because nobody wanted to “be stuck” with someone fat.

            • Stephen Trask

              an interviewer can say something like “As one of the last people to choose, you must have totally freaking out thinking you had to design for someone that none of the other contestants wanted.  What was going through your mind?” And then he might respond “I was really hoping to work with one of the taller, thinner guys because they are easier to design for.  but as it went along, all that were left were fat guys.  Fat is fine but not when I’m designing clothes.” If they asked Anya why she chose the tall thin handsome guy with the nice smile what do you think she would have said? 

            • Toto Maya

              Well, I guess if you’re smart and have people skills, you say, “I chose him because of his beautiful smile” or pick some feature out that you like not related to his size.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Which still means you called your client fat, and implied that you couldn’t work with anyone of his size. 

              And a sensible person on PR would have said that she thought he looked like her style would mesh well with hers, or that she liked his shirt or that she just picked a random dude since she doesn’t know anything about menswear anyway. 

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Sorry, but they can’t put words in your mouth — he said them, whether they were somewhat out of context or not.  I can guarantee they would never get sizist comments out of me, because I HATE the way the industry treats women’s bodies.  It wouldn’t matter how much prompting, they’d never get them.

            Olivier DID say those things — if you want to argue that he maybe had a point on any of the comments, or that he did still try to work with his clients, that’s valid.  But the “it’s all the fault of the evil editors” doesn’t fly.  And if he really didn’t have a problem with it, why did everyone in the lounge during judging recognize that he had been freaking out?

    • Anonymous

      olivier resembles my boyfriend, so it’s hard for me to separate that and hate him too much. it’s also difficult because i think he just needs to be pushed into the real world and get out of his childish bubble. hopefully this show will help him do that, and watching himself will help him realize how off-putting he can be. i’m still rooting for him because i think he’s cute (obviously) and i think he could be a great designer. most of his comments made me think, “aww, that’s sad that he thinks that way. he’s going to have a difficult life,” instead of “what a bastard.”

    • Anonymous

      No, he didn’t act that way because he’s gay, but the fact that he’s gay doesn’t surprise you when you see how much disdain he has for women!

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I’ve known too many straight men who hate women for me to support your comment. Gay men aren’t the ones who rape us, and beat us, and call us horrible names because we won’t put up with their bullshit. It’s fucked-up straight men who do that.

        • Anonymous

          There are fucked up gay men who are just as capable of physical and emotional abuse.  Being fucked up doesn’t lend itself to just one orientation. 

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            I’m aware of that, but I was responding to McAudrey, who tied his orientation to an apparent disdain for women. My point still stands. It’s straight men whose hatred of women plays out through rape, beating and verbal abuse.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Not always — I’ve known some verbally abusive gay men. For the most part, though, the type of abuse you’re talking about takes place within a domestic relationship, so obviously it would come from straight men.  I’m sure there are some gay men that are abusive to their partners too.  A bully is a bully, no matter what the orientation.

              I do take your point though, and I agree with the sentiment.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              I lived next door to a gay couple, one of whom was abusive to the other. I actually ended up in court because we called the cops when the abusive one literally threw the other one out onto the sidewalk during a fight. It was horrible. And the judge bitched out the victim because he continued to go back. They’d been in front of him before because of domestic abuse and he was tired of having to deal with both of them.

              Anyway, I’m glad you get what I was trying to say.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPPCA5BEYZ5DJTLZIP7HWFIXLY johnny

              “I’ve known some verbally abusive gay men” 

              See also: Josh

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            I’m aware of that, but I was responding to McAudrey, who tied his orientation to an apparent disdain for women. My point still stands. It’s straight men whose hatred of women plays out through rape, beating and verbal abuse.

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps I’m not a gay man myself, but the gay men I do know have never, EVER come across as having disdain for women. They may not want to sleep with them, but everyone knows lots of people who they don’t want to sleep with in both genders.

        • Anonymous

          There is absolutely a small faction of gay men that have a deep-seated hatred for women.  Let me please stress the word small.  But Olivier does not remotely fall into that category.  Fear of women and fear of the inability to hear your own thoughts because the client is babbling on and you’re already having time-management issues is a far cry away from hatred of women.  That indicates a level of intent that Olivier does not exhibit. 

          • Anonymous

            There is a small faction of straight men who have a deep-seated hatred for women as well, there are even some self-loathing women out there. It’s not related to sexual orientation in any way whatsoever, but instead other psychological factors.

            • Anonymous

              Oh, no, I didn’t mean to imply that hatred for women is subject to orientation.  Or gender for that matter.  I was speaking only in the context of Olivier aka Bubble Boy.

            • Anonymous

              I’m just thinking of the context of the original post, since that person linked the two. It gets kind of dangerous when you link psychological problems with stuff like orientation and gender, as the original poster implicitly did. Just making sure there’s no links there.

              As for Olivier, I don’t think he even fears women specifically, I think he’s just afraid of humans, which would explain why he styled his models in his finale collection as minor Star Trek characters.

            • Anonymous

              Yeah, any minute now I fear Olivier will become a Star Trek red-shirter and will be gone.

      • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

        This is stereotyping.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Most gay men don’t have disdain for women.  In fact, most of the gay men I’ve known have been the opposite — they champion women’s issues because a) women are usually more accepting, more quickly of gay men than other men are (though certainly not always) and b) they know how it feels to be put in the downtrodden position. 

        There are some gay male designers who push the idea that a woman must be ridiculously gaunt, but there are also straight male designers who promote the idea that every woman should look like a Vegas hooker.  And there are more of both who just want to make women look and feel good in their clothes.  (Yes, I really am THAT optimistic:)

        By far, the men I’ve known who have shown true disdain/dislike/outright hatred for women have been straight, and to assume that one has anything to do with the other is a not only false, but more than a little troubling.

      • Stephen Trask

        Wow.  Your totally f-ed up comment started a real sh*t storm.

    • Anonymous

      Can i just say that I ADORE that you threw an “Am I bovvered?” in there? Lauren for the win! Although Precious Moments is not bing bing.

    • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

      I don’t know…I still blame producer manipulation on how Oliver was portrayed in this episode. I think he is a sweet guy who speaks his thoughts without thinking about how he is coming off to people. He is just way too honest because c’mon, wouldn’t someone else easily think those thoughts as well but would just not say it out loud for others to hear? The producers had a ball with his obviously painful struggle in trying to reel in an already opinionated and loud-mouth couple old enough to be his parents towards his vision of how he wanted to make the garment. Any designer would have the same difficulty as Oliver given those circumstances but because he is young, shy, and inexperienced, he wasn’t able to contain his own meltdown and it showed (and on national TV no less). I am not hating on him just ’cause of that.  

      • Anonymous

        I agree. That couple was intimidating and bossy and he melted down. Bert could have handled them because they are peers.
        The woman was so picky like it was her life deciding dress, she could have just gone with the flow but then who knows how the producers coached her.  I would have longed for a silent model too in this case. 

        The woman did have a nice bosom though and I guess she wanted to make sure the viewing public duly noted it.

        • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

          …and Olivier (correct spelling now) did showcase them babies on his garment prominently albeit in a lopsided way.

          What would have been hilarious is for Bert to come up to Oliver and that couple during their fitting session and say, “guys, don’t give my sweet Oliver a hard time, he makes beautiful clothes”

        • Anonymous

          As far as I could see, the client couple were neither “loud-mouthed” nor “bossy” (let alone “old”).  

          They were simply… hmm, what word would be appropriate here…. I know:  the CLIENTS!  

          As such, they communicated their wants, likes, and dislikes to the Designer  (a.k.a. Contracted Employee, were this a real-life transaction).  

          Nothing against little Precious, though.  Obviously, he’s young and limited in his abilities (both design-wise and interpersonally).

          Maybe when he sees this TV edit it will spark him towards a bit of growth on both fronts.  With luck, he’ll very soon realize that: 1) women have boobs, 2) EVERYone buys clothes, not just the miniscule percentage who are 6-feet-tall and size Zero, and 3) fabrics come in many colors besides gray and beige – prints, even!

          • Anonymous

            They weren’t going to a seamstress where they can dictate what and how they want something. If they were to contract a designer they wouldn’t be dictating exact designs.  I thought they were pushy and middle aged.

          • Anonymous

            I agree. There was nothing especially difficult about the clients. We saw earlier that even when the “client” is Heidi (the New Balance challenge), who holds your fate in her hands as a judge, Olivier still does not listen to what that client has to say. He will not compromise his “vision” for anyone!

          • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

            To me that’s where the problem lies when people judge the way another person acts. As far as you could see the client was this and that and you probably would have handled the situation better than Olivier. But we’re not all alike and we have varying levels of professional maturity in terms of handling what we sense as an impending conflict. Olivier, to me, is a young, shy, and inexperienced designer who felt pressured into breaking out of his comfort zone in this challenge and the fact that the clients were literally dictating how they wanted the final garment to look was too much for him. That couple had no idea what Olivier’s aesthetic is as a designer and hate all the monochormatic boxy stuff that he makes all you want, that’s his style. True, he could have left those thoughts in his head and not say them on TV but in the end, he compromised and that female client worked that dress on the runway like a pro. So I really don’t get all the Olivier hatred. 

        • Anonymous

          Totally agree. That woman was a pain in the ass, and somewhere among her many suggestions I think I heard her say “Does he understand me?” Yes he understood you, but he doesn’t agree and doesn’t have enough experience in diplomacy to tell her to shut it.

          • Anonymous

            geez – he sure didn’t seem to act like he understood her.

      • Anonymous

         And Mel Gibson was just drunk and angry (and reacting to being powerless) to the the police officer, right?

        • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

          seriously? that’s your analogy?

    • scottyf

      When will he see boobs again?
      Will they still scare Precious Moments?
      Will those double d’s still haunt him?
      Will he have to suffer
      And cry the whole night through?

      When will he see boobs again?
      Where are the flat-chested women?
      Why not sew for girls built like men?
      Is this just beginning, or is it a trend?

      When will he see boobs again?
      When will he see boobs again?

      (Repeat until nauseated)

    • scottyf

      (Sung, of course, to When Will I See You Again? by the fabulous Three Degrees)

      When will he see boobs again?
      When will they scare Precious Moments?
      Will those Double D’s still haunt him?
      Will he have to suffer
      And cry the whole night through?

      When will he see boobs again?
      Where are the flat-chested women?
      Why not sew for girls built like men?
      Is this just beginning, or is it a trend?

      When will he see boobs again?
      When will he see boobs again?

      (Repeat until nauseated)

    • Anonymous

      I hate the seaming on the top–interesting idea, but it’s making a huge TITSCREPANCY.  The ends of the seams are landing so that her left nip appears to be three inches lower than her right one.
       I do like the little half-peplum, and the back.

      He acted like SUCH an infant, though.  I want to like him, and usually do…but that blank look he keeps giving makes him increasingly slappable every week.  He can either set up shop inside a walk-in closet and design clothes HE likes, or he can realize there are such things as real women.

      Oh, and when we saw the up-the-crack pants, hubby and I both exclaimed, “ANDY!”
       
       

    • http://profiles.google.com/grandiva1968 e jerry powell

      I find that, in left profile, Olivier has been looking alarmingly Kate Winslet-ish.  Not a good sign.

    • akprincess72

      Agreed, he’s simply a childish idiot, that has nothing to do with his orientation.  Idiocy does strike gay & straight alike.   His complete lack of a grasp on the real world had me laughing last night!   

    • http://ape-z.blogspot.com April Zhang

      I honestly wasn’t bothered by his comments because his intent was innocent; he just doesn’t know better.

      But that outfit? It’s so similar to Kimberly’s outfit for Nina Garcia.

    • Anonymous

      I can’t get that worked up about Oliver, because I didn’t get the impression that he thought he was better than his clients or that they were beneath him, just that he knew it was a challenge and he was foolish enough to say those things out loud on camera, probably with a lot of producer coaxing.

      Besides, as messy as the top is, to me it looks like he was trying to do something interesting with her breasts, as opposed to pretending they weren’t there or exposing them.

      He has time management skills and the fey act with perhaps fake accent is irritating, and he is probably next to go. Him or Bert I think.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Rhodes/602850414 Catherine Rhodes

      I was really hoping Olivier would be auffed this time because I have become so sick of his insipid whining.

    • BuffaloBarbara

      I definitely agree about the child thing–it definitely came off that way, like a little boy afraid of cooties if he got too close to boobies.  (There’s also the question of him obviously being an introvert who’s more comfortable with mannequins than people–especially strangers,  Normally, that makes him a very level-headed reality show contestant, since he stays out of the drama.  But when pushed by the awful situation of being forced to interact with people for the challenge?  Yeah.  That was never going to work out.)

      I’m not even sure I’d call it misogyny, per se, even though he as focused on boobies.  He seemed equally disturbed that he might end up with a man not built like a mannequin.  Those sorts of people break the line of the clothes.

      And you’re right, he did produce his best work.  It’s like he was never told before that the body is part of the art of fashion, and he couldn’t make that attitude adjustment… but since the show forced him to make the effort (imagine that, PR as a learning experience), he’s added something to his repertoire.  I wish I believed he’d keep it; as a fellow introvert, I have a little sympathy for the guy. 

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Clearly, Olivier did not get a very good math education or he would have known about the concept of a CURVING LINE. 

    • Anonymous

      The discussion about Olivier’s accent is really doing my head in. I can’t believe people still think he’s faking his accent. You clearly haven’t done any research on his biography. He even explained himself on his facebook page stating that he was born in Ohio but moved to Taiwan when he was still very young and that he’s never claimed to have a British accent because he knows his accent is far from it.

      Also, it’s pretty obvious that Olivier’s inconsistent accent isn’t just down to the fact that he’s moved a lot and has lived in more than one English-speaking country. The main reason for all the inconsistencies is that he is NOT a native speaker of English and therefore can’t have a native accent. I’m actually quite surprised that no one has pointed this out yet. There have been several moments on the show when he said things that were ungrammatical, i.e. something a native speaker would never say. I can’t think of a concrete example off the top of my head and I can’t be bothered watching several episodes again to be able to quote him verbatim, but he’s made several clear mistakes on the show that justify the conclusion that English is his second language. I assume that Chinese is his first language, but that’s all speculation. 

      Either way, some of you may know this from personal experience, when learning a foreign language, it’s especially hard to master the accent. Most people, no matter how good their vocabulary is or how well they know the grammar, struggle to sound like a native even after they’ve lived in the respective country for years and years. And especially speakers who try to sound like natives but haven’t lived in an English-speaking country for a long time are very easily influenced by other accents, e.g. someone who tries to mimic a southern English accent might be quite successful when surrounded by people from that area but will have a much harder time when surrounded by Australians and New Zealanders and is much likely to slip into that accent or at least take over some pronunciation patterns after a while.

      • Anonymous

        Well said.!!!

      • Anonymous

        Yes, to me he sounds like someone who grew up speaking Chinese and learned English from someone with a British accent, which makes his accent, to American ears, a weird amalgamation of British and something else. Americans forget that it is ACTUALLY POSSIBLE to be taught English by someone with a non-American accent. (More and more I run into Asians who learned English from someone with an Australian accent, and I find the result hilarious.)

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          NO… that’s not possible… there are no people who speak English anywhere in the world in any way other than Americans!  Don’t be absurd!…. :P

          • Anonymous

            Americans speak English?  You haven’t been in one of my classes.

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              My dad always said “Warsh” instead of “Wash” and my mother still insists on pronouncing the state of “Missouri” as “Missour-ah”.  Oh, and an old friend from Texas keeps pronouncing the “s” in Illinois.  I’m with you:)

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know about this theory–I know many people from all over the world–their accents when speaking English are pretty consistent.

        • Anonymous

          Frankly I’ve known Americans three generations born and raised in the midwest who have weirder accents. Some people just speak idiosyncratically.

        • Anonymous

          Frankly I’ve known Americans three generations born and raised in the midwest who have weirder accents. Some people just speak idiosyncratically.

        • Anonymous

          You misunderstood me. I didn’t say that every non-native speaker of English has an inconsistent accent. We all know the stereotypical examples of Mexicans, Chinese, French, Indians or Russians speaking English with a consistently “wrong” accent, that is to say an accent that clearly isn’t native. Some people don’t care whether or not they have an accent in a language they learnt at a later stage in their life and some people even choose not to try to adopt the local accent as this would have loads of cultural implications too.

          Seeing as Olivier doesn’t just have an accent you’d expect of someone whose native language is Chinese, one can tell that he’s trying to sound more like a native, probably influenced by his stay in the UK. And that’s when inconsistencies begin to manifest because you try harder to imitate the sounds of the language and sometimes you succeed, but sometimes your native language interferes. Moreover, irregularities in pronunciations make it harder for non-native speakers who have chosen to try to sound like a native, e.g. in the south of England you say ‘class’ with a long vowel but ‘mass’ with a short one even though they are spelt the same and the long ‘a’ is considered a stereotypical southern English vowel. And words like clerk, quay, buoy, derby etc. make it even worse though these particular examples might be lost on Americans.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for the explanations, beatpyramid and Tapetum.  I get what each of you are saying.  Thanks for pointing out that something like this could be what is happening with Olivier.  

        • Anonymous

          I’ve seen the revolving accent happen with other people. It seems to happen most when the person is taught English (or any other language) by a series of people with different strong accents. There’s a tendency to slip from sounding like one teacher to another, depending on who you’re channeling at just that moment.

          My French is like this. My first teacher was Egyptian, my second Swiss, and my third from Provence, so I’m quite sure that to someone listening from the outside I switch around between bad versions of those three accents.

          • Anonymous

            Yes–I can see that and realize that I’ve heard this in others–thanks for the explanation.

    • Anonymous

      In my opinion, his ombre pet store challenge outfit was his best yet.  This week’s look reminded me of Kimberly’s design for Nina but not as well made.  That little quabble aside, I agree with TLO’s assessment.   He is an IDIOT for carrying on as if boobs were deformed pieces of flesh heaped upon the world to ruined his designs!  If you don’t like breasts, design menswear bitch!  Thankfully the ever morphing accent is pure comedy or I’d be gunning even more for his auf’ing.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BEV2WB3MZRJHA4KD5DK4QY6FQQ Dinah

      Another TLo agreement here.  It never once occurred to me that Ollie was saying these things because he was gay.  Of course it’s just because he’s being an ass.  Maybe he was prompted to complain. But surely the producers were doing it to everyone  – with every real woman challenge, there is always some fool who goes on about non-models — Oliver took the bait and owns those words.  “I wish women didn’t have breasts…. I don’t want them to talk… fat is fine, but not when I’m designing…” That’s pretty harsh and he meant those words. It wasn’t fake. He wasn’t just trying to stir up drama/buzz/camera time.

      He may well be a sweet person most of the time, but on this challenge he was being a bratty, self-important, misogynistic jerk with no real-world experience to compare his narrow point of view to.  “I’ve never had a client…”  Well, hon, we can all see why.  Enjoy your dress forms, the silent treatment from your models and your sepia tone color pallete.  There, there.  

      Anyhoo, what really shocks me is that when Fallene didn’t know what bias was all the designers were like “what a amateur” but when Olivier clearly doesn’t even know what a DD cup size is no one thinks that’s a sign his skills are lacking?  He couldn’t sew it either. Just like Fallene and her bodice.  He just didn’t have someone there to tell him he sucked and remake his work. His design might have looked good on paper or in his head, but he couldn’t execute it.  Much fug.  

      Bottom three in my book. And YES it’s Kimberly’s from the Nina challenge!  

      • Anonymous

        I’m still flabbergasted that Olivier was safe given that his entry was so close to Kimberly’s.  Now that I think about it, has anyone ever been put in the bottom for producing a near copy of previously seen work?  It happens every season that the designers’ field of vision is limited to that single design room and there’s always overlap, usually unintentional.  If Olivier had been made to stand the runway to defend his entry, I think the producers would’ve needed a mop.

    • Anonymous

      Olivier strikes me as another one of those young designers who anticipates a straight line to fame and fortune, with no obstacles in between.  Wait – I have to design outside the vacuum of my own imagination?  I have to please others?  I have to TALK to PEOPLE?  There are other cupsizes than AAA?  Women/clients have opinions and don’t automatically love my genius designs that they would be lucky to wear as long as they’re not fat?  AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!  I’m gonna start calling him Bubble Boy. 

    • Anonymous

      What a little fucking useless bitch…Don’t worry your pretty little head about dressing women Olivier, most of them will not be bothering with your ugly threads anyway.

      shark. jumped. next.

    • Anonymous

      He’s such a pretty, embryonic little creature  that I find him far more intriguing than offensive.  Look at that dewy skin, the lack of facial hair.  Is he male? female? intersex? hermaphrodite? Did he spring from a glass jar, the result of genetic experimentation–a sort of amoeba meant to ultimately alter the human race? Obviously, he’s terribly confused by day-to-day life:  A child in need of Tea and Sympathy.  If only Heidi would morph into  Deborah Kerr. 

      • Anonymous

        I wish I had his skin.  And the lack of facial hair (I’m entering peri-menopause – sigh).

      • Anonymous

        I wish I had his skin.  And the lack of facial hair (I’m entering peri-menopause – sigh).

      • Anonymous

        Is Olivier the REAL unborn fawn???

      • Anonymous

        Is Olivier the REAL unborn fawn???

    • http://www.facebook.com/suzie.vazquez Suzie Vazquez

      You’re going to let that couple get a free pass? Face it – they were BULLIES.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Saying “I don’t like that” is not being a bully.  They were being blunt and honest with him.  Which I personally would prefer than if they had waited and said it on the runway instead.

        • margaret meyers

          I thought they were bullying, too.  They were beyond assertive.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Really?  I found the husband to be kind of a wuss, honestly.  He just seemed to go along with whomever acted like they were the most in charge.

            My mom said the same thing about their attitudes, and I just assumed it was that he (the husband) hadn’t done his job in telling Olivier anything about the wife that was accurate.  So then when she came in, she had to shoot down all of the things he’d come up with based on her husband’s comments. Being that my husband answered some of the questions from the designers as pink being the least likely color for me to wear (it’s orange and then yellow and then pink) and my preference in patterns as plaid (I do like plaid, but only very specific ones, and I go for a lot of mod graphic prints as well) and that the only shape he could think of was tight… I could understand her having to come in and insist on changing everything.

      • Stephen Trask

        Right on.  They were thoroughly obnoxious.  

      • Anonymous

        Would it have been a better idea for them to say nothing in the workroom, waiting till they were on the runway to explain what they did and didn’t lie and what she really wanted?   A client giving input into what they want  is not bullying

    • mc90

      I agree wholeheartedly. I began with anger but moved right along to hilarity when it struck me that he’s a baby—a little boy, a child. And he’s got a lot of learning to do. –Emmylou

    • Anonymous

      No doubt Oliver suffered and cried the whole night through.
       

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree-he is a child who is afraid of women.  Maybe he’ll grow out of it, maybe not.  But if he wants a career he’d better.  More to the point–if he wants to be happy in the real world he’d better.  

      At first I was offended–then I felt sorry for him because he was so flummoxed by real breasts he could barely stand himself.

      • Anonymous

        And it seems like he really wants to be designing for young boys anyway–stick straight with no breasts or hips–Oh! Maybe he wants to be designing for himself!

    • Anonymous

      I don’t understand all the comments about this being a copy of the outfit Kimberly did for Nina.  Have you looked at the latter lately?  Are you basing it on the fact that both outfits have dark pants and lighter tops?  Aside from that, the only similarity seems to be in the asymmetrical hem – though Olivier’s was in the back and Kimberly’s in the front.  Am I missing something? Because when I look at them side by side I see very different outfits.

      • Anonymous

        I didn’t see that one !
        Well, if that so, what about all the asymetricals top we saw since episode 1 ?

    • Cautiously Pessimistic

      Call me crazy, but my conclusion is that Olivier knew he was in trouble, given his massive time management issues and his failure to impress the judges more than a couple times.  His comments seemed very forced to me and seemed like an attempt to stay on the show longer by saying controversial things.  We all know that to stay on this show, you either make interesting clothes or you say and do interesting things.  Before this week, Olivier hadn’t really done either.  His aesthetic, while perfectly valid, also isn’t something that the show typically rewards.

      Fallene, Julie, Danielle, and Becky were all the quiet types whose designs didn’t excite the judges, and they’re all gone.  It’s cynical of me to think his statements were a ploy, but if they were, it worked – everyone’s talking about Olivier, and he’s around for another week.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      ibid, completely.
      i totally agree w/ you.

      it took me a while to watch this episode. i wasnt sure i was gonna watch it cos it seemed to upset everyone & i have had it up to here w/ josh & his species of meanness. when i finally did watch it, i realized oliver wasnt in any way vicious– he wasnt anything worse than silly– i said this in another post, but it somehow immediately got eaten: this guy is so young & so inexperienced he probably has seen few naked bodies of either sex. his issue isnt being discriminatory about women, his issue is being the embodiment of the word jejune.

      & his clients could certainly dish it out in equal measure. in fact, they were way better than he was at slamming around that little silver salver. no harm, no foul, particularly since he did make one of the best outfits on that runway. & it did look really good on her.

      as an aside, kudos to the show for once for featuring quite a range in type making up the couples they chose. next they can, of course, include same-sex couples & then the kudos can shoot, if you will, straight into the stratosphere.

      • Anonymous

         I have have no problem at all – in fact think it would be a good idea – with them having same-sex couples…..EXCEPT the I don’t think it is fair to mix having some designers do clothes for men and others do clothes for women in the same challenge

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          They’ve done it before — in the Jetsetter challenge in S4 and the Makeover challenge in S5 and the Design for Each Other challenge in S2.  Though I agree, it always seemed unfair to me too.

          But why not have all lesbian couples then?  That way all designers are paired with a female client.  In fact, I’d like to see that as a team challenge — each designer pairs with another designer to do a set of coordinating outfits for their clients.

    • http://twitter.com/styler Sue Tyler

      I’m just shocked that joshua didn’t feel the need to yell at him for using such language all day long

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: Besides, the entertainment value of his accent shifting wildly the higher his stress levels went cannot be overstated.”

      You know, I thought I was imagining this.

      –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      Precious Moments reminds me of myself as a teenager when I was so grossed out by breasts and other “lady bits”. Now that I’m older, I can appreciate what, in my day, Jane Russell referred to as “full figured gals”. Lady bits, I’m sorry to say, still gross me out.

      Thanks, TLo, for expressing perfectly what I felt during the runway show and subsequent judging. Department store dresses, the constraints placed on the judges, MK’s strained witticisms, Nina’s bridled comments… You are, as always, spot on.

      • Anonymous

        they gross you out? I’m sorry, do you think they are crawling with maggots or something?

        • http://www.facebook.com/fiddlecub Kevin VanOrd

          For some gay men, the idea of getting up close and personal with a woman’s genitalia is probably as off-putting as the average straight man’s idea of sniffing around another man’s hind-regions. I’m sure Matt didn’t intend any insult. Most human beings have varying levels of tolerance for things they don’t find personally appealing. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

            Rather than get started over what our personal likes or revulsions are, maybe we can focus on the fact that Olivier has chosen to go into fashion design. Either he becomes a menswear designer, or he accepts the realities of the female figure. If I were his client and heard him speaking like this, it would be difficult not to take it personally. I would be offended, see him as immature, and fire him immediately.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Since I have those lady-bits, and have had the unpleasant experience of making full reproductive use of them, I can say, without reservation, there are some good reasons to be grossed out about them:) 

          And from the perspective of a gay man, male bits are remarkably clean and contained, while girls are kinda messy.  I can see the ick factor.

          • Anonymous

            From the perspective of a dyke–I think the exact opposite!

        • Stephen Trask

          Grossed. He said “reminds me of myself as a teenager.”  Past tense.  No longer feels this way.  Has grown up.  etc.

          • Anonymous

             Stephen … he wrote “Lady bits, I’m sorry to say, still gross me out.”

          • Anonymous

             Re-read:  Lady bits, I’m sorry to say, still gross me out.

        • Anonymous

          I know they’re not crawling with maggots. I know they are not unhealthy or unclean. I’m gay. I just don’t like em. Sorry.

    • http://www.facebook.com/samuel.j.donovan Samuel Joesph Donovan

      The top is interestingly similar in conception and asymmetry to the top Kimberly made for Nina.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, this was a lot better than I though it would be but I think you are more charitable about him than I am.  I know he’s just a kid and has a lot to learn but he seems like such a damaged little morsel without the saving grace of charm.  I doubt his capacity to grow but I do hope I am wrong.

    • sarah jacobs

      I sew for a living. Most of my work is client work. Working with clients means that you need to work with the needs of others. Maybe the budget is limitd. Perhaps there are only a few colors that look good on the client. Maybe the event you are designign for has rules as well. your job is to work with the restrictions imposed by reality…even if you are a designer with your own label you have to work with restrictions and the reality of the ereal world. it might be nice to make something out of $55/yard cashmere, but if you are designigna juniors line, it ain’t happening. real bodies have to wear the clothes. The garments have to go on and off of the wearer. If you can’t figure out how to make the pesky stuff work, you can be an artist in your little garrett, but you can’t be a designer.
      he is still so young and so inexperienced that Oliver is designing everything for his own body.

      His client kept complaning that the pants were crawling up her butt. He kept trying to justify to her that that’s the way they were supposed to be ( that nonesense about round butts). The top he made was in a color that didn’t flatter his client. The fit was awful with all of those awful drag linesm in the back. Clothing design is worthless if it only looks good on a hanger. If that’s what Oliver wants to do he should stick to paper dolls.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve also watched the show twice, and I also didn’t find Oliver at all malevolent.  I found his naive unfiltered speaking of his mind (channeled through his idiosyncratic English and the producers) somewhat weird and adorable and astonishing. But I can see why others would find it offputting or offensive.

      I was really shocked that he was so utterly clueless about breasts that he didn’t know what “DD” was.  As a designer he exists in his own design universe, and only wants to design for a specific body with his narrow palette.  This is his current vector. He wants to create the garments he finds most beautiful–and luckily others also find his creations beautiful. And perhaps as he matures and gains experience he’ll want to design for other body types (Altho NYFW tells us that might be unlikely.) and use other colors.

      I’m hoping they bring back the Season 4 wrestling challenge this year.  I’d love to watch PM in that!

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Yeah, cup size is related to measurement — it denotes the difference, in inches, between the measurement of the fullest part of the bust and the rib at the point of the band.  If you’re going to be cutting and fitting garments, that’s something that’s useful to know.

    • Anonymous

      This is not particularly relevant to the discussion, and I’m not sure if someone has pointed it out already, but has anyone else noticed the last still frame of the husband looking at Olivier?  Gold.  =D

    • Lisa

      Yeah, I never thought for a moment that Olivier’s issues stemmed from him being gay, simply because – as you pointed out – no other gay male designers had issues with dressing a non-model figure.  And normally, in past seasons when they *have* whined, “I’m not used to dressing bigger women!”, I never thought, “Wow, he must hate the female figure!”.  I’d just think, “Oh, get over it, you’ll have to dress people of all sizes when you have your own line sold to the department stores!”  No, as you point out, Olivier is a little weirdo with no experience of the outside world, and very little maturity.

    • Anonymous

      The boy’s social skills are nearly non-existent. Little boy lost. It’s pretty entertaining watching someone quietly implode. 

      And it truly would have been glorious if he’d lapsed into full-on “Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins” cockney. GLORIOUS! TLo you made my day with that! Picturing it now. :D

      • Anonymous

        For God’s sake, Precious Moments grew up in Cleveland or someplace like that – the accent is totally fake and it’s probably taking him half of his mental energy to keep it up….

        • Jennifer Coleman

          Hey now, don’t put PM on us Clevelanders. We’d have knocked that faux-cent right outta him. 
          You can clearly see the lack of ability to tailor clothes to any body in PM’s final collection. Even with time, good material and size 00 six-footers, the clothes simply do not hang right.

          • Anonymous

            Perish the thought, I love Cleveland and “faux-cent” just made my day!  I’m sorry, my friend Sophie who spent most of her formative years in Hong Kong, Singapore and the UK has that accent, his is totally manufactured… 

            My best friend Francine of Beverly Hills claims that the most polished collections are from the PR contestants who got Tim time (as opposed to a Tim Tam), the rest are just throw aways

    • Anonymous

      he a misogynist – so too is Joshua…who had no regard for becky because I suspect he thinks of her as a second class citizen to himself. Screw em both.

      • Anonymous

        Joshua isn’t a misogynist, he’s a narcissist, EVERYONE’S a second class citizen to himself.

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          agreed– & i think he’s very very pathetic under that.
          i dont think he’s particularly talented, & when i understood beyond any doubt that underneath the cosmetics so much of his actual face is manufactured, who he is fell right down thoroughly into place for me.
          still doesnt explain why the judges dont give him a smackdown, however.

      • Anonymous

        Joshua isn’t a misogynist, he’s a narcissist, EVERYONE’S a second class citizen to himself.

      • Helen C

        Have you been watching the same show as us?  Isn’t Anya a woman?  Isn’t Laura a woman?  Josh treats Becky poorly because she’s older and meek, whereas he gets along fine with the Mean Girl Duo, and he even treats Julie fine (maybe he was afraid Julie might punch him).  
        And Olivier didn’t so much hate the real client because she’s a woman, he also said the husbands are “fat people”. 

        • Anonymous

          Agreed but about Josh. Some women have their gays and some gay men have their fag hags- both imply a pecking order and in Josh’s case he clearly has himself at the top of it, which IMO makes him just as misogynistic as any womanizer -  good for ego and little else. 

    • Anonymous

      I’m going to borrow a line from Stella: “What, Olivier? He’s 12 years old, what does he know?”

      I wasn’t and am not really offended by Olivier’s behaviour; I found it more risible than anything, I couldn’t even take it seriously. Some of it was typical of people his age, some of it was typical of PR designers, some of it was particular to people from the magical kingdom of Olivierland, but all of it shows that he has a rather naïve and narrow view of fashion (and probably quite a bit else). A lot of young designers are like that (male, female, gay, straight), designing more for an imaginary world – in a sense, it’s almost like costume design (note almost), albeit unintentionally, except of course that the customers are imaginary, too. One hopes, with time, he will realize the error of his ways.

      Oh, and his accent is a non-issue with me.

      A number of people seem to be making comparisons between what Olivier made and what Kimberly made in the Nina challenge, seen here:
      http://wpc.4d27.edgecastcdn.net/004D27/ProjectRunway/PRS9Episode4_Part%201/PRS9E4P1+Kimberly+1.jpg
      http://wpc.4d27.edgecastcdn.net/004D27/ProjectRunway/PRS9Episode4_Part%201/PRS9E4P1+Kimberly+4.jpg

      I think it’s a bit of a stretch.

      • Anonymous

        remember how stella handled blaine when he was giving her a hard time?  “blaine, go get your diaper and come here.”  one of my favorite stella moments.

    • Anonymous

      How hilarious was it when he asked Tim what DD meant?!

    • http://twitter.com/Ash2046 Ashley Wu

      I personally find Olivier amusing than annoying. He’s just ignorant and as everyone says, a child. I burst out laughing when he asked if the wife of his client had gianormous breasts and did that little breast action, it was hilarious. Kenley was downright bratty and argumentative. Pissed me off to even hear her talk about her designs.  As a woman, I still find a bitchy or manipulative woman more of a pain in the ass than a bitchy man. (So I still take Josh this season over people like Gretchen last season for eg.)

      • Anonymous

        remember the other husband who kept exclaiming about his wife’s big boobs?  i kept waiting for him to give precious little olive a lesson on “motorboating”.  that would have finished him off.

    • Anonymous

      Will someone please say it? Olive Garden seems to be terrified of color. He uses the same boring bland hues of griege and navy week after week. I’m shocked that Nina hasn’t slammed him on his boring palette.

      And I’m in the camp that sees him as more clueless than misogynistic, but I understand how people would feel offended after his stunningly insensitive comments.

      • Anonymous

        i just re-read his bio and when asked his favorite colors he said “beige and gray”.  are those even colors?

    • Mary McClelland

      I loved his model.  I don’t know why she was a sassy woman after my own heart.  I loved that she was explaining partnership to him and that she had no qualms about being herself on TV.  She was awesome.  Too bad Olivier made her wear the ugliest colors imaginable and designed those revolting looking pants – which I don’t care what you say, TLo, those are horrendous. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

      It’s all an act. A mildly entertaining act.

    • http://twitter.com/SetMeOnFYYYYAH Miss World

      after reading comments it’s clear to me that my real anger wasn’t with Olivier in particular but how the designers and people in the fashion industry treat people who aren’t a size 00. i dislike “real women” challenges because it just amplifies the industries disgust with non-model size people. so sick of the PR designers whining and complaining about having to fit a girl with hips, boobs and thighs. 

      Olivier is just a product of the fashion industry. every other designer in that room who had a client who wasn’t model-size was thinking the same thing, they just didn’t happen to say it out loud. looking back at clips of his precious meltdown today, i laughed instead of groaning or getting angry. he is so ridiculous and so delicate. it was comical.

    • Anonymous

      You know, the more I think about it, the less annoyed I am with Olivier. He was tactless, yes, but he was just saying what most of the contestants were thinking. Nobody wants to design for heavier folk.

      Considering how the judges awarded the highest marks to the thinnest models, it’s hard to blame them. Has a heavy/curvy ‘real person’ model EVER one this kind of challenge? As I recall, it’s always the skinny and young ones.

      • http://twitter.com/qrter Alexander Peterhans

        Just because a lot of designers are thinking it, does not make it a desirable sentiment. I mean, “nobody wants to design for heavier folk”..? And why might that be? Is it perhaps that a lot of designers just have no experience there, and are therefore shitscared of even trying it?

        • Anonymous

          Of course it’s not a desirable sentiment, but it is endemic to the fashion industry as a whole, not just one pompous little baby designer on a Lifetime reality show.

          Any why should they try? They get to dictate what fashion is – why would they change the status quo?

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Not true.  I’d be a little lost designing for models, because I don’t happen to know any size 00, 6 feet tall women.  I’m far more comfortable with an 8 or above, since even the size 0′s I’ve done stuff for have been petite… and they’ve had boobs too!  In fact, other than myself (who I have dressed in everything from an 8 to an 18), the person I do the most stuff for is my best friend who has worn between an 18 and a 22 the whole time I’ve been making her clothes. 

        Some of us aren’t that uncomfortable with size changes.  Hell, half the necklines I cut REQUIRE a decent rack or they don’t lay right.

    • Anonymous

      And I thought Anthony Ryan was going to be the whiner of this episode… I was disgusted by Olivier. He needs to just pack his shit and go, he has no business being a fashion designer.

      Josh forcing him to feel up his chest was pretty funny though.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=717990473 Rachel Bazaz

      Thank you for quoting Catherine Tate. That is all. 

    • Anonymous

      He’s a silly prat and I just want to slap the accent out of him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=552853133 Teddy Partridge

      No. One. Talks. That. Way.

      No one.

      And his conversations with his client’s wife reminded me of Jaime Gumb in The Silence of the Lambs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=552853133 Teddy Partridge

      No. One. Talks. That. Way.

      No one.

      And his conversations with his client’s wife reminded me of Jaime Gumb in The Silence of the Lambs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=552853133 Teddy Partridge

      No. One. Talks. That. Way.

      No one.

      And his conversations with his client’s wife reminded me of Jaime Gumb in The Silence of the Lambs.

    • Anonymous

      BTW thanks for the earwig guys!

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/dLUE.9h6zdoHMLprP6AQrSQpKt0CZys-#e58b4 tom

      Precious Moments is the type of guy that you just want to beat the hell out of for no justifiable reason or at least bitch slap him across the room.  I keep reminding myself that he is very young but that excuse if wearing thin.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

        Thing is, he’s old enough to know better. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

      Well, the desire for a flat chested model with duct tape on her mouth and a zero expression over a full figured woman just indicates Precious Moments is more hilariously fucked up than previously indicated. His weirdly childish statement, “I don’t like women to have boobs” was more like an all out tantrum against the realities of the business he has chosen. I don’t know. Maybe the kid played with too many paper dolls when he was growing up, maybe those paper dolls started talking back to him when he was sixteen, maybe they took him to London for a few years. All I know is that from the fake blonde hair, the dyed to match eyebrows and to the wildly fluctuating accent, there is something about Precious Moments that makes one want to both throttle and bring him a cuppa tea and say endearing things like, “They’re breasts, you boob.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPPCA5BEYZ5DJTLZIP7HWFIXLY johnny

      All this talk about Precious Moment’s accent….  I don’t even hear it because he’s so pathetically stupid and naive that my ears slam shut the second he starts talking, like they would with anyone that vapid. He’s clearly not ready for human contact, his exoskeleton has not hardened quite yet.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPPCA5BEYZ5DJTLZIP7HWFIXLY johnny

      PS: Am hating the nipple wrinkles on this top and his execution? Way sloppy. You can tell he was a nervous wreck.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPPCA5BEYZ5DJTLZIP7HWFIXLY johnny

      Yes! I kept thinking “What, this again?”

    • Anonymous

      Precious Moments clearly lives in his little foggy bubble of life, having no concept of even the realm in which he wants to work.  “I don’t like my clients to have boobs or speak”.  Umm, that will get you far as a designer.  My personal favorite of course is how in the hell can a designer NOT know what cup size is?  I mean I get they may not know how big a DD is per say, but at least WHAT a DD is.  

      All told he is a little narrow minded moron and in looking at his finale collection, he likes women to look like manish 10 year old boys.  He needs a lot to work to make it in the world of design…  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPPCA5BEYZ5DJTLZIP7HWFIXLY johnny

      Ah, yes, Nina’s favorite put-down! I love it! There’s simply no come-back to that utterance, which makes it the ultimate snipe-disguised-as-critique.

    • Anonymous

      I have to say, first of all, that I agree with everything you two had to say about this.  However, I think this was good for him in more ways than one.  First of all, being forced out of his comfort zone made him (in my opinion) not only even more adorable than before, but it gave him a chance to grow that I think, once this is all over with and he has time to sit back and reflect without the stress of “but I have another challenge coming up tomorrow” or “dear god, dealing with people is wearing me out” he may actually learn something from this.  Not now, no, he still has waaaaay too much growing up to do, but in five or ten years, I think this experience will help.

      Personally, from the first comment out of his mouth last week, I was laughing.  It was so cute seeing him get all flustered.  Though, while you may have seen the couple’s attitude shift to “parentally patronizing” I saw a woman who really didn’t want to do this and who was looking down her nose at him and all the other designers the entire time.  Her husband just followed along with her opinion.  I think if this had not been Project Runway and Olivier had somehow ended up working for these people, he would have just told them to either shut up and let him work, or get the hell out.  That would have been a truly Precious Moment.

      • Anonymous

        So why did she do it if she didn’t want to? How do they choose the ‘real people’ for these challenges? Casting calls? Do they pay them? I can’t imagine why anyone would do it unless just for the wonder of being on tv.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlotte.horseman Charlotte Horseman

      I feel sorry for Oliver because he seems to be so utterly non-human. Was he raised by people?  He does not seem to have a response for praise or criticism… a robot executing a program.  He finds people irrelevant.  That makes his fashion irrelevant. 

      • Anonymous

        I wonder if his diet consists of paper decorations and morning dew. I think he is very callow, and hasn’t interacted with real people very much. Anything aggressive (and by “aggressive” I mean forward or direct) seems to scare him. Good luck in the fashion business, Precious!

    • Anonymous

      I guess my Olivier love blinds me, but honestly, I thought some of Olivier’s comments were part of his deadpan humor a la “I fell — like a bitch.”   When he says I don’t like boobs or people who speak, it’s only semi-serious.   I mean I like clients who just take my advice and do as I say, but I realize that rarely happens and I deal with it, but I might crack a joke with a serious face claiming that people should just shut up and do as I say.  Not that Olivier doesn’t have plenty of “growth” moments yet to experience.   Don’t we all?

      I do think that the people were difficult in that they were chatter boxes who couldn’t’ shut up for one moment and since they looked old enough to have children Olivier’s age, they might have not given him credit as an expert.  Now someone with more social skills might have won them over, but Olivier is so wedded to the idea of himself as an artist and not as a salesman and promoter as most highly successful designers are, it wasn’t possible for him to make that course correction at this moment in his precious life.

    • Anonymous

      I guess my Olivier love blinds me, but honestly, I thought some of Olivier’s comments were part of his deadpan humor a la “I fell — like a bitch.”   When he says I don’t like boobs or people who speak, it’s only semi-serious.   I mean I like clients who just take my advice and do as I say, but I realize that rarely happens and I deal with it, but I might crack a joke with a serious face claiming that people should just shut up and do as I say.  Not that Olivier doesn’t have plenty of “growth” moments yet to experience.   Don’t we all?

      I do think that the people were difficult in that they were chatter boxes who couldn’t’ shut up for one moment and since they looked old enough to have children Olivier’s age, they might have not given him credit as an expert.  Now someone with more social skills might have won them over, but Olivier is so wedded to the idea of himself as an artist and not as a salesman and promoter as most highly successful designers are, it wasn’t possible for him to make that course correction at this moment in his precious life.

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t Olivieeriere primarily a menswear designer? I think he should just stick to that since he doesn’t like his models to have breasts or hips.

      What irks me is the whole “I was left with all these fat people” when he had to choose among the men. Uh, Dude, those guys were stocky or a bit chubby. If you think that’s fat, you need to get out more.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, like I keep hearing that Michelle Obama is “fat” (generally from rabid right-wing hooligans who hold strangely irrational objections to her “war on obesity”) — oh, please. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      They were parental with him, weren’t they? And he deserved it, by acting like a child in front of two adults.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      They were parental with him, weren’t they? And he deserved it, by acting like a child in front of two adults.

    • Anonymous

      Olivier is KILLING ME.  I cannot stand to watch him because he always comes off like it’s taking all the energy he has to hold his head erect on that neck of his. It’s as if he is on a 90 calorie a day diet, and the slightest thing taxes him.  

      I get the the whole androgyny thing is his schtick but he’s never going to get a job in the real world unless he can find clients who are flat chested and are looking to wear the blandest colors possible.

    • Anonymous

      He didn’t really offend me. I just thought he was ridiculous and kept
      picturing Atlanta burning behind him as he swooned and fainted. His whole “omg fat people! Hide the clothes!” thing was also just ridiculous. I guess I should get offended when they do that, but I just don’t. There are plenty of plus-size clothing lines and I get my stuff from them. If Olive doesn’t want me wearing his clothes….no problem. If I were a size 0 and Olivier gave me his stuff for free, I still wouldn’t wear it. So there, Precious.

    • Anonymous

      He didn’t really offend me. I just thought he was ridiculous and kept
      picturing Atlanta burning behind him as he swooned and fainted. His whole “omg fat people! Hide the clothes!” thing was also just ridiculous. I guess I should get offended when they do that, but I just don’t. There are plenty of plus-size clothing lines and I get my stuff from them. If Olive doesn’t want me wearing his clothes….no problem. If I were a size 0 and Olivier gave me his stuff for free, I still wouldn’t wear it. So there, Precious.

    • Anonymous

      At first I wanted to reach through my tv and slap Olivierere across the head but after I gained control of myself I started to wonder “was he locked in a closet with no human contact and fed through a doggy door then let out when he turned 21?” Man, that explains everything…poor Oliviviver. No wonder he always looks like a deer in headlights when someone makes a comment on his clothes.

      But seriously, he needs to pull up his delicate. pink, lacey panties and realize he just might have to design for real people if he wants to eat anything but cat food the rest of his life. Either that or go back, lock himself in his closet, turn on the depressing music and practice his accent.

      • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

        OMG, wet my pants AGAIN reading this one.  Esp. turn on the depressing music!  I just keep wondering what ivory tower/box he grew up in, too.

    • Anonymous

      At first I wanted to reach through my tv and slap Olivierere across the head but after I gained control of myself I started to wonder “was he locked in a closet with no human contact and fed through a doggy door then let out when he turned 21?” Man, that explains everything…poor Oliviviver. No wonder he always looks like a deer in headlights when someone makes a comment on his clothes.

      But seriously, he needs to pull up his delicate. pink, lacey panties and realize he just might have to design for real people if he wants to eat anything but cat food the rest of his life. Either that or go back, lock himself in his closet, turn on the depressing music and practice his accent.

    • Anonymous

      Hated everything about this look.  Thought he should have gotten the auf, even over Bryce.  It makes her boobs look like saggy nips, and the styling made this attractive woman look like the Mad Woman of Shallot…messy and haggard.  Get over yourself, Precious Moments, you are not all that.

      • Anonymous

        Amen!  And, IMHBAO (IMH but accurate O), Rami did the drapes SO much better.  I was mentioning to my friend Francine of Beverly Hills that every freaking top he’s done has been the same – artfully done folds that draw your attention away from the trainwreck below…

        • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

          Origami Boy, maybe as an alternative to Precious Moments…I agree with the folding folding folding.

    • Kate Pearce

      I have the perfect career for PM-ironing board cover designer. :)

    • shorty j

      “when he got around to opining that he just wants women to come to him
      without opinions and keep their mouths shut because he’s never worked
      with clients before, we started to laugh and couldn’t stop.”

      Exactly. I was thinking, heh, good luck with that whole “business” thing then, kiddo!

      He reminds me of the scores of people who go into my field (librarianship) because they hate people and want to work with books all day and are SHOCKED when they realize they have to work with living, breathing clients. Scores of them. Every day. It’s at the point where I’m considered great in my sub-field not because I’m particularly smart or talented but because I can sometimes successfully interact with other humans. 

      • Anonymous

        Funny! “You mean I don’t get to just sit and read books all day?”

    • Anonymous

      I think he was faking not knowing what cup sizes are. 

      It’s just too hard to believe that a person, let alone a person who claims to be a designer, could grow to adulthood and not know what cup sizes are.

      • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

        You see, I totally believed that.  I dunno why, but I just felt like, yep, that dude is so in his little world he does not know what a cup size is.  I’ve met too many people who only know what they want to know, and its scary.

        • Anonymous

          I lived in Japan for 10 years; they don’t have the same bra sizing there that they do here. (Though I always bought my bras–and shoes, for that matter–in the States.) I also think his accent is legit. I knew many ex-pat kids who had mixed up accents as a result of going to ex-pat schools and living in different places with their parents. I agree that he’s more childlike than anti-women, but he’d better get over that soon if he wants to be a designer for real women and not one for dolls. (Though he wants to design for men, no? Maybe that’s why he prefers his models flat, and why he added those strange eyebrows to his models in his final collection.)

    • Anonymous

      I started out cranky with him but ended up feeling sorry for him. As you say, he’s young & inexperienced and some day he’ll look back on this episode with deep and cringing embarrassment.

      Terence Ng, in another thread, basically described what Olivier wanted to do as (though I may be putting words in his post) textile art on models. That’s pretty accurate, IMO.

      And I agree – if he hadn’t made such a huge fuss about dealing with an actual human shape, I’d have looked at that top and, despite its messiness, been impressed that he designed something that looked so good on his model and wasn’t available at 3 retailers I could name off the top of my head. (Maybe at one, but for this crew, that’s impressive.)

    • Anonymous

      Question of the day: Was Oliv[i]er breast or bottle fed as an infant?

      • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

        OMG, wet my pants a little bit.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry, dear! It just jumped into my beady little brain.

    • Anonymous

      The real-woman model was right about wanting a flared leg. Would have pumped that outfit up a few points. Listen to and learn not to fear the voluptuous, Olivier!

    • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

      Oh you two ALWAYS, ALWAYS say it so well:

       the couple he was working with took a hilarious parental, pat-on-the-head, “isn’t he just adorable when he tries to think” approach to his behavior. In other words, they couldn’t take him seriously and neither could we.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HREPOWNBVUBRIVPQCF3ST2IKDM Euphory

      If this outfit is in other colors (something not so much like what my parents wore in 1970s communist China…), I actually think it would look pretty awesome.  It accentuates her curves and the top is interesting. 

      And I slightly find it offensive to see people make fun of his accent.  Some people just assume, if he’s born in Ohio, then he must have a white bread middle-American accent?  Even when he was raised in Taiwan (where they don’t teach American accent), and moved to Europe when he was a teenager?

      • http://karensbooksandchocolate.blogspot.com/ Karenlibrarian

        I thought he lived in Ohio until he was sixteen — plenty long enough to have an American accent.  If I’m wrong and he moved there much younger, then that would explain it.  That’s all.

        • Stephen Trask

          No, moved to Taiwan as a kid and then to England at 16.

      • Stephen Trask

        Right on.  His accent reminds me a bit of Yoko Ono, who of course was raised in Japan and the US and married to an English guy.  And I went to High School with a Brit who slowly sounded more and more American.  It happens.  I moved to the South and now I say sir and ma’am all the time.  and yeah, her body looked awesome in that outfit, whatever construction faults there may have been.  And, he was the only contestant whose client wasn’t a stick figure that didn’t end up in the bottom, so it might not be his prejudice we should be talking about.

    • Anonymous

      No, Olivier didn’t react in the stupidest manner possible because he’s gay; he did so because he’s an idiot. Snerk.  I love u, TLo!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

      “No, Olivier didn’t react in the stupidest manner possible because he’s gay; he did so because he’s an idiot.”  — Thank you.  I am thinking he is going home next.  To be fair, that client of his was difficult to work for.  It was like a spoiled brat making clothing for another spoiled brat. 

    • Anonymous

      You don’t need “real life experience” to know how to treat people with a bit of respect, and not as irritating speed bumps who get in the way of your artistic vision.

       Oliver is a brat, full stop, and his outlook is the type that comes from within, and that he will probably still have in 30 years.

      • Stephen Trask

        No.  Wrong. And by the way, did you see any footage of him being disrespectful to his clients?  Did he scold that man for grabbing already purchased fabric and tossing it across the room?  Everything he said about his struggles with the challenge and his clients was said in a recap interview.