PR: Welcome to “The Dress is Right!”

Posted on September 03, 2011

We had an initial reaction to Laura’s dress that we’re pretty sure she didn’t intend.


Namely: “Amy Irving made it to the prom after all!”But that was perhaps a bit too bitchy.

Naah.

Let’s get this out of the way first: this is in no way avant garde.

Actually, can we just all agree to mentally stamp that proviso on all the posts we write this week, so we don’t have to repeat it?

But it’s a pretty dress and even better, it’s a pretty dress that’s unique and well-designed.



We’re not convinced the boning worked as a design element as much as the judges were. It definitely saves the dress from being strictly a slightly updated prom or bridesmaid dress, but let’s face it; there’s no getting around the prom-iness of this one.


Credit must be paid for really making the effort and interpreting the painting rather than replicating it in dress form, which so many of them wound up trying to do.


If this was strictly an “interpret a painting” challenge, we might even go so far as to argue for the win, but since it was an avant garde challenge, we can only commend her for making a pretty, interesting gown. That’s essentially what the judges did as well.

Yikes. To be honest, we were fairly convinced Precious Moments would be sadly packing his display case and leaving at the end of this episode.


Before we start ripping it to shreds (although it already looks like it has been), we’ll pay some compliments to the off-white portions of the dress. He was going in an interesting direction and if this hadn’t been an avant garde challenge, he might have allowed himself some freedom to explore it.


But this was a nightmare challenge for Precious Moments. We’ve been saying from the beginning that no matter how good his work turns out to be (and it’s been so-so at best), the second he comes up against something completely outside his wheelhouse, he’s going to crumble. His “dirty pillowcase” minimalist aesthetic wasn’t likely to translate to avant garde very well; at least as the term is defined on Project Runway. It’s possible he could have translated it into something much more forward-thinking than his usual fare…


… but once you added bright, vibrant colors to the mix, he all but curled up on the floor and cried.


There’s nothing at all wrong with the fact that he doesn’t respond well to bright colors and doesn’t have a facility for using them in his work. A good designer has a point of view and that’s completely acceptable.


But if there’s one theme or through-line to the Project Runway competition process, it’s that the designers have to basically jump through all sorts of hoops and work around all sorts of obstacles in order to produce a look that fulfills the arbitrary rules of the challenge, but is also true to their aesthetic. It’s a fashion game show and the basic winning strategy is to figure out with each challenge how you’re going to, well… “Make it work.”


He had absolutely no idea how to do that. In fact, he’s never demonstrated an understanding of how to do it. He keeps attempting to shoehorn his tea-stained, minimalist aesthetic into every challenge and garment — even stiltwalker costumes.


We don’t mind the colors he chose, although we agree with whoever said they were sad and the painting was anything but. We think there are ways to take a strong, bold color palette and translate into a far more low-key aesthetic. That was, in essence, the entire challenge for him. Unfortunately, he failed to wow the judges with his choices and his design suffered terribly from his delicate little meltdown. We’ll give him credit for one thing: it’s certainly an accurate translation of his mindset during the process. It looks both sad and frantic at the same time.

He could have started from a minimalist perspective and considered how to make minimalism thought-provoking and forward-looking, while remaining true to the basic energetic feel of his painting. We admit it’s a tall order and he might have had it the hardest among all the designers, but he failed pretty spectacularly and we seriously doubt he’s going to last much longer. His confidence is shot and we suspect he’s realizing how handicapped he is in a gameshow setting.

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    • http://angryfemur.tumblr.com Andrea Lane

      The thong strap showing on Oliver’s is just too much. His poor model!

      • Anonymous

        Didn’t notice it, but you’re right. Unfortunately it was the least of his problems.

      • Anonymous

        I think she is just grateful she didn’t wear some wild polka dot or animal print panties! )Or maybe that would have livened up the design?) I felt so sorry for her to have to wear that mess.

      • Marie Drucker

        She has such great legs, but I’m often disappointed in her walk. I expected better from an Italian (because I’m Italian-American).

        • Anonymous

          she was VERY likely afraid to lose the dress entirely

      • Anonymous

        That was the first thing I saw.  I really really really hated his dress.  He needs to go home.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know that I would say that Olieveirieroeywrwe had is the hardest.  The only thing I got out of Bert’s (the painting) was bright geometric.  No EMOTION  (which is kind of odd as I love math and geometry)

      I liked Laura’s  and I did not get prom out of it – Of course I never went and if I had, it woukld have been just after the trailing end of disco – so her pretty dress would not have been seen at prom

    • Anonymous

      Laura is showing some good chops here.  Not an avant garde dress, but given the dreck out there, I thought this looked good, and walked well down down the runway.

      On another note; by this time in a previous year, hadn’t Seth Aaron wowed us already? Where is the talent this year?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKF4G5S424IS6ZKIKH2CVJU5KM NB

        Yeah, I can honestly say there is no designer this year that has really wowed me yet. I think Kimberly is my favorite – her stuff is sharp and modern, but even she has really failed to excite me with anything she has designed. 

      • Anonymous

        Yes, no one is standing out this season. I’m not sure if the challenges are just too silly and unfocused, or if this crop of designers is just weaker.  I was worried when I noticed Tim Gunn wasn’t at the open call selecting designers for Season 9–isn’t he always there?  I think his presences helps ensure they get a talented group.  

      • pacconci

        All of a sudden I flashed on the “hair bowl” of seasons past. I don’t think that was an avant garde challenge but it was closer thsn this stuff.

        • Anonymous

          Good, bad, or clown pants, Amy was quite possibly the most avant-garde designer the show has ever had.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I like Laura’s dress too. I think she was going for avant-garde with the visible boning, but that’s as far as she was capable of going. Still, it’s a pretty cool dress.

        However, didn’t she glue all those ruffles on? What is up with all the gluing this year?

    • Anonymous

      Laura’s dress is pretty, I’ll give her that; it also looks well-constructed and her student seemed to love it as an interpretation of her painting. I thought it was hilarious when Laura said with great authority ‘Avant -garde looks require a lot of fabric.’

      I think Oliver needed at least another week to make something of his dress.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Very pretty — I really love the dress.  Not avant-garde at all, but really lovely. 

    • Toto Maya

      I really thought that Olivier was getting the loser edit. He is just lucky that Josh C screwed up and the judges knew he couldn’t handle the competition. Olivier will likely be going home next week. He’s adorable, but he is really out of his depth. He seemed to be operating in slow motion, like those dreams you have where you really need to be somewhere in five minutes but you just can’t get there.

      As for Laura’s, my main criticism is I hate the colors. They remind me of macaroni and cheese. I wish she had added just one more color in there.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, I wanted a hint of that red, muted, under some of the yellow and cream somewhere.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRYUOEZZC2IVUO24TCJMVTDNSU Gianni Rubino

        “They remind me of macaroni and cheese.”

        Maybe it’s just that it’s late, but now I see a S10 unconventional challenge – pasta!  Yes, they were alongside of children, and, well, who makes macaroni art?  Children!  Oh, and Angela K. according to Jeffrey S.

        I promise my next post will be more helpful & on point.

        Gianni Rubino

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      “it takes a lot of fabric to make something avant-garde.”

      what? what? what? what? what?

      • Anonymous

        I know! I puzzle over that during the Mood scenes, too. It is like they think avant-garde means throwing a bunch of shit at the dress form and seeing what sticks.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          ” It is like they think avant-garde means throwing a bunch of shit at the dress form and seeing what sticks.”

          Oh! So that explains all the gluing.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Yeah… I was upset by that too.  I mean, if you’re trying to challenge conventional wisdom, you may need a lot of fabric to create certain effects.  But a plantation dress from the mid-1800′s takes a lot of fabric too, and I wouldn’t really call that fashion forward.

      • Anonymous

        I guess she was speaking foreign.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        In like you need a lot of paint to do an abstract expressionist painting. Ha ha

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

        What about the comment: “Bert, are you gay or straight?”, “you could pass”. WTF, she must only know gay people in the likes of Josh M, Viktor, and Anthony.

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          Yeah, like was that supposed to be a compliment???

          • Anonymous

            Was it ever?

            • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

              I mean, she said it as if it was supposed to be. Which is pretty effed up.

            • Anonymous

              And, she had to ask?

            • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

              She is certainly self-absorbed.

        • Anonymous

          Didn’t think of it at first, but what if she only considers it okay in boys and what  IF there was something between dogblanket and sour puss….and  Laura made that comment.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

        But it worked for Christian/Chris way back when.  Remember during the avant garde/model hair inspiration challenge when li’l Christian chirped to the judges that their collaboration was “45 yards” of fabric.   Then he beamed like he’d just hung the moon.

        • Anonymous

          I think he was trying to point out how much effort was put into making the dress by letting the judges know that THAT much fabric was manipulated into creating the finished look. And oh what a look it was! One of the best looks and best collaborations ever.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

            That look remains one of my personal alltime favorites of PR.

    • Anonymous

      Huh, I just went back and looked at his portfolio (I don’t tend to pay much attention to the designers until they’ve sorted themselves a bit). He’s a menswear designer! No wonder all his stuff looks crappy on women. The kind of drab looks he makes have to have a balancing lightness derived from perfect execution and a kind of delicacy. But the type of lines and fabrics that look delicate on men don’t look delicate on women (and he hasn’t figured out how to translate it reliably); and I suspect he isn’t practiced enough sewing for women’s proportions to do perfect execution in the constrained time he has in these challenges.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, that’s really interesting and explains a lot. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      he, oliver, is just too young. very few people have everything where they want it creatively when theyre twenty one; he isnt one who does. but he isnt bad, in five years he wouldve done a whole lot better.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

      Between Laura and Anthony’s glued on on gowns, I’d say Laura’s is better both at a distance and up close.

      • Helen C

        I saw someone else say that too!  And I felt the Josh-Josh vibe too. 
        But isn’t Bert old enough to be Olivier’s grandpa?  (57-22)I think Bert was just trying to be friendly (since Olivier is his roomate).  

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

          But then I may be full of it too. Bert, God love him, could well just be trying to be nice to Olivier. After all, Olivier’s the only one among the guys who refuse to participate in the cattiness and backbiting. I can see the two getting along.

          • http://twitter.com/asciident Melissa Della

            I still can’t get past the moment Bert said he thought Olivier would win (last week’s challenge, was it?) not realizing Olivier was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO HIM. Olivier looked so dazed when they panned to him, ha!

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I think so, and it’s almost sweet but mostly creepy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/cassandraloyd Cassandra Loyd

        I agree, boning is a lame attempt at avant garde.  And one that Kayne was lectured for and in the bottom for.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

          It’s funny how quality have made such a turnaround on the show. I do remember how Kayne got chastised for being tacky back then when that’s all we see in the runway now.

          • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

            Kayne would be the frontrunner this season.

      • Anonymous

        I think it’s in one of the extended clips that they put up on the website, but one of the other designers mentioned something once about Bert being infatuated with Olivier.

      • Anonymous

        I think it’s in one of the extended clips that they put up on the website, but one of the other designers mentioned something once about Bert being infatuated with Olivier.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCJEZMOV4VYMXC5WJALLZNYEB4 Mari Rose

      Oliver’s poor model looks miserable. 

    • Anonymous

      Didn’t understand the judges’ love for the bodice on Oliver’s dress. The back is okay, but the front is just a mess!

    • Anonymous

      For Laura’s, I was thinking “Belle after the Beast got a hold of her”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

        That’s it! I kept thinking that it is a pretty dress but somehow looks familiar. Perhaps the right dress but the wrong challenge. 

      • Anonymous

        I thought it was very Beauty and the Beast too, but I kind of liked that about it. Ah, nostalgia.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

        I had the exact same thought!

      • http://twitter.com/eebolldog88 Erin Bollinger

        And Olivier’s is very similar to Ariel’s when she is first on land in “The Little Mermaid” (when Scuttle made her put on the tarp on the beach.)

        • Anonymous

          awful lot of detail from that scene…although, come to think of it: it’s says something about me that I know you’re remembering it correctly!

          and for the record, I would rather wear Scuttle’s dress than Olivierere’s.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, that’s it exactly!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQPXLNCBM5CZSHZZXJDHPVFS7E Buffy

        :-D

    • Anonymous

      Olivier’s work depresses me. He’s sooooo boring.  I thought his dress was ghastly. 
      And I thought Laura’s dress looked like a “Barbie Goes to the Cotillion” dress. Yuck!

    • Anonymous

      You know, I think it’s one thing to prefer a monochromatic pallette, but I think it’s another to show so little understanding of how to *use* color.  It’s the difference between don’t-want-to and can’t.  Olivier seems to veer into can’t territory–and that *is* a big limitation.  

      I figure Josh C. was given the off because he has never shown a spark–just no sophistication.  Olivier has shown some ideas here and there.  I wish he’d gone for a non-gown.  I don’t think he’s comfortable with them.

      As for Laura–it was probably the best thing in the winner’s circle and she showed a certain bravado in using yellow, but the only place it would be considered avant-garde is in a bridal/prom gown shop.

      Sigh.  As I said yesterday, it just hurts to look at this stuff when I think of avant-garde challenges past–where’s the LeeAnn Scorpio dress that makes you turn your head?  Or Mila’s rethought penguin suit or even Mondo’s plus pants?  I know the last two weren’t avant-garde challenges, but they were memorable and innovative?

      Where’s the skill this season?  I get a glue-gunned pet shop winner, but not in an avant-garde challenge.

      I hate Bunim-Murray.  This is their damn fault.  They clearly kept out a couple of skilled designers in favor of drama and the judges, by golly, are determined to get some young gay guy up for the win to compensate for Mondo last year.  Whereas we had the three young women of Season Six to make up for PR’s habit of booting young women like Alison too early and to tap into Lifetime’s desired demographic.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I think in Olivier’s problem with color is much like April’s from last season — it’s a matter of age.  Both were young enough that they hadn’t been forced to expand their thinking enough.  When you’ve been designing for a few more years, you’ve done everything you can in your color palette and need to branch out.  I don’t think either of them has hit that point yet.

        I do have one thing to say in defense of Anthony and the glue gun — if he was trying to let the edges fray naturally, sewing them on might have limited the fraying somewhat. 

        • Anonymous

          Good point, Shannon.  Christian Siriano also had that problem to a lesser extent in his season–black and puffed sleeves were pretty much his fallback position.  He was quite a bit more innovative, though–turning the sleeves into pants during the denim challenge–that was just sort of brilliant.  Obvious once it was done, but no one had thought to do it.  

          Haven’t seen anything like that yet this season–where the designer just kind of has a flash and you go “aha!”

          Re: Anthony–hmmm, he still could have sewn the top or down the middle of the fabric pieces.  You know, SUEDE was more innovative with his green challenge when it came to fabric creation.  Let me repeat that–SUEDE.  

          All I can say in defense of this challenge is that Anthony’s dress was better than that neoprene thing with the dye blotch that won the Season Six challenge.

    • Anonymous

      You’re more kind about Laura’s than I am. I don’t even find it pretty.

      Olivier’s is, exactly as you said, a perfect encapsulation of his frame of mind when he created. His aesthetic is too narrow for the nature of the show and unless he develops some flexibility in approaching the challenges, he is going to remain lost until he’s (sooner rather than later) sent home.

      Every time there’s an avant-garde challenge, I swear I begin to suspect that the designers on this show have no concept of fashion outside of Project Runway, because they always seem to default to copying elements of the stunning creation of Christian and Chris – which for that matter, beautiful and creative though it was, was not actually avant-garde. But, every time, there’s always miles of fabric, giant shoulder pieces, and ruffles ruffles ruffles.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I’ve been a little afraid to say, but I agree that Chris and Christian’s dress was not avant-garde. Fabulous? Yes. Interesting and creative? Yes. But not unique and not avant-garde.

        You make a good point re: PR designers’ frame of reference. It could be that they refer to previous PR designs because they’re aware of what’s worked in the past. But It could also be as you say – they just don’t know enough about fashion or fashion history. I also suspect that, for the most part, the designers who’ve auditioned for PR over the last few seasons just aren’t as talented as the designers who auditioned for earlier seasons.

        • Anonymous

          I think the proportions of Chris/Cris outfit put it in the avant-garde territory–that was one whacked-out collar that came together and I do think extreme plays with proportion push a design into avant-garde.

          Was it avant-garde next to Vivienne Westwood, Alexander McQueen and Hussein Chalayan?  No.  I think the most avant-garde piece we might have seen that season was Elisa’s little blue dress with the cape that could be turned into a bunch of different things–something we didn’t see on the show, but showed up afterwards at the reunion.  And with one seem as I recall.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, it was absolutely beautiful – without any question one of the best looks ever produced on the show – and looked like it walked right out of an editorial, but that’s exactly it: it was the product of two very talented designers trying to make something that looked like it came from an editorial. It was an incredibly well-executed pastiche of avant-garde.

          On some level, I hope I’m being unfair about the designers’ frame of reference. But elements of that look keep recurring in these challenges time and time again. Maybe it is strategic, copying what has worked before – but even that’s a bit damning in an “avant-garde” challenge, or would be if the show weren’t as confused about the concept as most of the designers seem to be. In the end, though, the reality is that most designers simply are not and never will be avant-garde and it’s a bit ridiculous to even have such challenges.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            Yeah, we definitely have to take into consideration that TPTB (producers, judges, whoever?) don’t understand avant-garde (although I’d be surprised if Michael Kors doesn’t get it); it’s either that or they don’t want real avant-garde. They want something AG-is.

            im gets it, but he’s not a judge and has no influence over the judging. All he can do is give direction regarding the challenge and help the designers work through their problems while they’re in the work room.

            Several other people have said it wouldn’t be a bad idea to dump the A-G challenge. I can’t argue with that. Most designers just aren’t up to it, and giving them that challenge is setting them up to fail.

            Can you imagine what will come down the runway if there’s a couture challenge? Tim will have to hang a sign at each station that reads “Gluing does not equal handmade.” (I’ve become obsessed with the amount of gluing going on this year.)

            • Anonymous

              Oh, I am with you on the gluing. I remember in Season 4 when Steven ran out of time and had to resort to glue – and was embarrassed and horrified to do so. No one seems to be having that kind of reaction this season, at least that they’ve shown.

    • Anonymous

      Laura’s is Zombie  Beauty and the Beast .
      Odd thing about Olivier is that his Pet Store challenge outfit was a little on the Avant garde side. If he had used that as a jumping off point he may have had something. I’m glad he wasn’t auf’ed because I think he has something. Maybe not reality TV something, but design something. I would like to see a full on collection by him.

      • Deana Grenberg

        Yes, I wish he’d just waited a few years to come to the show.  I think he has real promise, but he’s just too young and inexperienced for this set of challenges.

        uch, no one is impressive!  no one!  Sigh.

        SixGables

        • Anonymous

          I’m doubtful the show will still be around in a few years. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      I heard that Tim Gunn is quitting the show and being replaced by Ted McGinley.

      • Anonymous

        Lord I hope not….alas Sir Tim does seem a bit tired this season.

        • Anonymous

          Tim is overworking himself.  I think he (or his agent) believes that he has to jump on every opportunity that is offered him, no matter how tacky and how irrelevant to his talents.  How else does one explain the Smurf movie?  Some of his television guest appearances have been just painful to watch.  He’s no actor and shouldn’t try to be.  Add all that on top of his obligations to Liz Claiborne and PR, and it’s no wonder he’s tired!   But I guess I can understand that he wants to fatten up the bank account while he’s still in demand.

          • Anonymous

            Agree!  Thought exactly this when I saw him on that Expedia commerical.  Hubs said “who is that bad actor,” and I just sighed.

          • Anonymous

            You’re probably right.  I missed the Smurf movie (although my nephew saw it twice).  I don’t have Tim’s book of rules for living, but I guess he is trying to “make it work” or “strike while the iron is hot.”  He was living a totally different life for so long and then — BOOM.  My guess is that he has the sense to save it all so he can do what he wants before the train stops.

            I wish he were less busy.  It’s so fun to see him out running his laundry to the cleaners…or just hitting the bodega….even if I have never gotten the courage up to say, “Hi!”*

            * Upper West Side etiquette code says, though shalt not squeal when meeting celebrity…and let them speak first…it helps to have a cute dog…and dress like you don’t care…..Alas, the last time I saw Sir Tim, I was rocking my PJ pants on a Sunday morning at the Bakery.

          • Anonymous

            Edit to previous post —

            Tim is in his hood today….just as I left apartment this afternoon, he crossed the street in front of my sister and I, on his way back from the cleaners. He was carrying the orange gingham shirt (which interestingly matches Bert’s boxers in the first episode)…and wearing Chuck Taylors….who would have thought that Tim wears Chuck.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              I’m envious of your Tim sightings.

            • Anonymous

              They really make my day….I don’t know what that says about my life.  My favorite was when the post office accidentally delivered a package for him to my building…too bad the doorman had already run it to the correct building.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Damn doormen and their efficiency! Bah!

              If I lived in the same neighborhood as Tim, I’d constantly be on the lookout for him.

      • Anonymous

        ROTFLMAO!!! OMG, there goes The Fonz….

        Seriously, that was probably the best line to use to indicate the show is jumping the proverbial shark.

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          So glad a few people got the reference!

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Hahahahaha!

    • http://www.facebook.com/fiddlecub Kevin VanOrd

      Remember the Chris March/Christian Siriano avante garde dress?

      *sigh*

      Where are the explosions of creativity?

      I will say, however, that Laura impresses me. I think most of us were ready to dismiss her as simply a dizzy bond born into money. And while she has the dizzy moments, she’s pretty level-headed, and she’s one of the better designers this year. (Faint praise, but there you have it.) While the rest of the team explodes into a supernova of chiffon and concealer, I’d love to see her emerge (along with Kimberly) as a strong candidate for the final three, though she seems almost destined to be number four–the almost-but-not-quite.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i think the reason that blenleylaura believes avant garde requires fabric by the tonnage is the only thing she could remember having ever seen to which the words avant garde were affixed was, indeed, the chris+christian a+g challenge dress– which is something she might be able to sew but could never conceptualize enough to want to construct. then again, i dont know if she’s ever seen the word conceptualize applied to anything at all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325734955 Robin K. Osterberg

      looks like Laura found an old box of Leeanne Marshall castoff ruffles in the workroom and pasted them on a dress… oh, did anyone else just groan at next weeks trailer….I am already sick of the “team challenges”…. I would rather see more individual design and less of this stupid drama… I’m getting bored… :P

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

        The team challenge is definitely long past its sell-by date, and with the clip of Josh M. looking as if he’s back to uber-bitch setting, it isn’t very promising.

        I know Heidi wants this series to go on, and on, and on, and on, but the level of talent seems to be sinking lower with each season. 

    • Anonymous

      During the show, I didn’t like Laura’s dress at all, until the judging. I considered what the judges liked about it and I softened my stance the dress. Seeing it here, I’m back to disliking it again. I like the idea of the seeing the boning, but I don’t like the colors (plenty of other dominant colors in the painting to use) and I don’t think it is avant garde.

      And Oliver’s… Oh dear. The model looks like she just went 10 rounds with an angry gorilla. Look at her hair and the missing half a dress! Looks way more like a Bed Bath Beyond challenge than an avant garde one. He is starting to really bug me.

      • Anonymous

        I really like the way Laura constructs her garments. She works fast and efficiently and I kind of see her at the same level as Kimberly who seems to have similar work ethics.

        I can practically see your angry gorilla wreaking havoc in the work room and chasing Oliver’s poor model down the runway.
        Makes me smile.

    • Anonymous

      Okay, so I haven’t watched the ep yet…but I’m already having trouble understanding why the styling is SO similar on almost every model!  They’ve almost ALL been frizzed-out Amy Irving hair.  I don’t get it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fiddlecub Kevin VanOrd

        I think it was the designers’ attempt to use styling to push their garments into avante-garde territory when the garments themselves were anything but.

    • Anonymous

      When Heidi started to call out names I wasn’t sure if those called initially would be those who were safe or those who were the top and bottom.  Then when it became clear which was the top and bottom group it was difficult to know how the judges were determining which was which.  Laura’s was one I thought could be in either group simply because of its “prom-like” nature.  And the styling of her model is downright hideous – do they have students applying the make-up this year?   Until she explained, I was with the judges not being able to determine how the dress interpreted the painting and frankly, I’m not sure her explanation really stands up to scrutiny.  At least she tried to think through the process even if she didn’t end up with an avant-garde look.  I would have been as happy to see Olivier go home as Josh C.

    • Anonymous

      When Heidi started to call out names I wasn’t sure if those called initially would be those who were safe or those who were the top and bottom.  Then when it became clear which was the top and bottom group it was difficult to know how the judges were determining which was which.  Laura’s was one I thought could be in either group simply because of its “prom-like” nature.  And the styling of her model is downright hideous – do they have students applying the make-up this year?   Until she explained, I was with the judges not being able to determine how the dress interpreted the painting and frankly, I’m not sure her explanation really stands up to scrutiny.  At least she tried to think through the process even if she didn’t end up with an avant-garde look.  I would have been as happy to see Olivier go home as Josh C.

    • Anonymous

      I thought if Bert would have used an architectural type top like the beigh portion of Olivers it would have melded better with his painting.

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      Olivier’s model looks like she wandered in from Pat Benatar’s “Love is a Battlefield” video.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        After the battle.

    • Anonymous

      Can you imagine the awesome garment someone like Sissy Bear could have made with Precious Moment’s painting as inspiration??

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

        You do know that Siisy Bear has a new series this fall on Bravo…Mad Fashion!

    • Helen C

      I, too, noticed that Olivier was a menswear designer before the show.  So why did he get on PR, where you almost never design for men? 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

        If I remember correctly Emmett McCarthy (Season 2 of PR) was also a menswear designer at the time that season was filmed, but he has gone on to build a successful women’s business. I wait to be corrected if I’m wrong by fellow PR obsessives.
        bitchybitchybitchy

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      I don’t know how the judges can say the top on Oliver’s was really well made. They are high on crack. AND HER UNDERWEAR IS SHOWING! WTF? 

      • Mary McClelland

        I Wanted to like your post like 8 times.  I almost spit out my wine when Zana was arguing for the craftsmanship and they were saying the top part is well constructed (Except for the glued bodice!).  That bodice made his size -0 model look 10 feet wide!!! If that is what we are considering “good” craftsmanship then I have no words.

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      I don’t know how the judges can say the top on Oliver’s was really well made. They are high on crack. AND HER UNDERWEAR IS SHOWING! WTF? 

    • Anonymous

      I thought Laura’s dress was bad bridesmaid, nothing new about it, the waves reminiscent of Leanne’sstuff.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Laura’s dress was bad bridesmaid, nothing new about it, the waves reminiscent of Leanne’sstuff.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe I misheard this, but when Olivier’s kid asked him if he listened to music when he worked, did he respond with “I listen to depressing music?”  That’s really too much.  we get it, you’re emo.

      • Anonymous

        I know!  I really wonder if maybe Olivier is clinically depressed.  He’s so morose all the time.

        • Mary McClelland

          I think he thinks he’s supposed to act that way because it fits his “theme” like he’s emo and emos act a certain way so I better conform accordingly.  He seems so assimilated and unoriginal to me. That sounds mean. 

        • Toto Maya

          I don’t get the vibe that he’s depressed, just that he is very, very reserved.

        • Toto Maya

          I don’t get the vibe that he’s depressed, just that he is very, very reserved.

        • Toto Maya

          I don’t get the vibe that he’s depressed, just that he is very, very reserved.

        • Toto Maya

          I don’t get the vibe that he’s depressed, just that he is very, very reserved.

        • Toto Maya

          I don’t get the vibe that he’s depressed, just that he is very, very reserved.

        • Toto Maya

          I don’t get the vibe that he’s depressed, just that he is very, very reserved.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            I agree. He’s seems shy to me, but not depressed. He’s stayed out of all the bullshit drama, and just for that, he gets points.

            I think he has some promise. But he’s very young, even for his age. He has a lot of time to develop his talent.

            I like Ol Iver, phony accent and all.

      • Anonymous

        or maybe that’s just what he listens to. I dunno – I listen to an awful lot of music that I could only describe as “depressing” but I’m certainly not emo or angsting for show. I’m always hard-pressed to put together an upbeat playlist for things like cleaning – i’ve had to really work to add that stuff into my collection of mopey music.

    • Anonymous

      Laura’s looks to me like it was inspired by a load of dirty breakfast dishes at a diner. There’s some runny yolk from eggs over easy, there’s some hard yolk from eggs over hard, there’s some bacon remnants underneath, a little Hollandaise, part of a paper napkin, some blobs of egg white, a whole fried egg attached at the hip… While poor Oliver/Olivier/Olivette was inspired by the tablecloth, and, in fact, simply ripped it off the table and threw it on a waitress and VOILA! Fashion!

      • Anonymous

        You’re making me laugh! I can see breakfast sliding off the plates!

    • http://profiles.google.com/gillianholroyd gillian holroyd

      But….but… but there’s a rosette on the hip of that dress. Rosettes are *never* avant garde.

      • Mary McClelland

        Who was that one designer from a couple seasons back who put rosettes on EVERYTHING!? Remember her – who was that?!?

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          i believe everyone is talking fleurchons here.
          i think her name was jillian & i think it was a while back.

          • Anonymous

            Angela from Season 3

          • Anonymous

            I think I remember Angela calling them “rosettes” until Nina referred to her “fleurchon” on the runway and classed it up for her. 

            Maybe I imagined that.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRYUOEZZC2IVUO24TCJMVTDNSU Gianni Rubino

              What about Guadalupe Vidal from S2?  Didn’t she use removable rosettes/fleurchons?   I seem to remember Jay N. S. from S7 sticking things on either the butt or the hips in challenge #1?  I will have to go look at it again before I commit to that.

              (Loving the breakfast post)

              Gianni Rubino

        • http://www.facebook.com/tamisimkins Tami Brydone-Jack Simkins

          That was Angela from Season 3…

          • Anonymous

            Ah, yes, and she won the challenge where her teammates talked her out of using globs of fleurchons.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              I just watched that episode. I have to give Laura credit for keeping her cool and gently talking Angela out of using all those fleurchons. Her idea to use rosette buttons was very smart. She could have just opened a big old can of whoopass on Angela instead. And poor Michael/Mychael was beside himself.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

          Angela. I saw her at an arts and crafts fair in the midwest a few years ago. She was selling her stuff. She was sweet though.

        • Anonymous

          Wasn’t her name Rosette? j/k

    • Anonymous

      I’m tired of the cliqueness of this set of designers. It seems like some of them deem themself above the others in terms of coolness or talent. This is why I wish Bert & well, he’s a cranky older man, but I’d rather have him than the likes of Josh M, Anthony or Laura.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EYYAY25W7VS5BYCOCTK62SSUBI tw125

        Bert more than anyone on the show (except Josh M.) sees himself above all the others. He just doesn’t have/want any friends to commiserate with.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      It says a lot that a color blind designer used colors better than Olivier does.

    • Anonymous

      This was the Victor/Victoria of dresses, like where you sing facing one way then turn and you’re a whole different singer on the other side. Unfortunately here the singers were Keisha and Susan Boyle, so… yeah, not really coming together. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MBZQXGWCTBDTAZMEM4S2EJUNUQ Katie

      I think Oliver’s piece really showed the glaring problems with this challenge. I think a “take inspiration from this painting” challenge would have been great – leaving out the avant garde part. And I even think a “take your OWN style to the next level and make an avant garde piece that stretches your personal vision/aesthetic” would have been interesting and something that Oliver could have potentially shone in. Instead they were tasked with a challenge that asked them to come up with something avant garde while being constrained by having to be inspired by a particular item that may or may not fit in with their own personal aesthetics, which is artificially limiting when you’re asking someone to push boundaries.

      • Anonymous

        You are articulating exactly how I felt. Maybe we’d have better avant garde pieces (doubtful, but maybe a couple?) if the designers had been able to do anything they wanted. I kind of think Olivier might still have made the same thing, though… his was just barely inspired by the painting.

    • W A

      I’m surprised at how much I like Laura. At first, she seemed like some absurd relic of colonialism (“are you speaking foreign?” along with her upper class cluelessness) but she’s proving to be intelligent and skilled and levelheaded. Contrariwise, Olivier I had pegged as a cerebral, super-talented Central St. Martins kind of kid, and perhaps he is in real life, but his work has been average so far.

      I think an avant-garde challenge isn’t right for PR. There’s not enough time, and the only — only — dress on the show that could be considered avant-garde was the one that Chris March made, and then only because he had the real world experience creating those sorts of looks.

      • Anonymous

        “absurd relic of colonialism” – YES!!!! exactly.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t get the judges’ love for Olive Garden. As I commented during the broadcast, his garment looks like an unmade bed.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

        I think that MK and Heidi are reluctant to let go of the promise Oliveirerere initially showed, or that they thought they saw in his work when they had the casting session.  Perhaps he’s just at a point in his life where he doesn’t have the experience or stamina for this kind of show.

    • Anonymous

      Say what you will about the design (and I agree, you can say quite a lot!) Laura’s dress moved beautifully on the runway. Especially  the back.

      • Mary McClelland

        But that wasn’t the challenge.  The challenge was to produce something avant-garde inspired by a work of art and she failed miserably in that respect.  They all did.  

        • Anonymous

          They all did.

          Exactly. That’s why I take pleasure from small details like that. But it truly was painful to watch. Way to make me yearn for apocalyptic trench coats and ruffeled satellite dishes.

    • Anonymous

      Visible black boning under a see-through bodice on Laura Kathleen’s=genius. Visible black boning under a see-through bodice on Kayne’s season 3 couture dress=near auf.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.flanagan1 Nancy Daquino

      Oliver’s was truly a horror, and that painting should have been one of the easiest to translate into an ensemble. He really needs to go home.

      I didn’t really get the Amy Irving vibe from Laura’s dress until I looked at the model’s hairs. Oh no, unfortunate choice there. I actually liked this one–it looked fairly well made but she should have edited the frou frou. It definitely didn’t need a literal flower on the bodice and the flounces were too perfect looking. 

    • Anonymous

      Laura’s is kinda gross. Compared to everyone else’s, it’s good, but – that’s a low, low bar. Was it Becky who said Laura’s looks like those ruffly dolls you put over toilet paper? Because that is TOTALLY what that dress looks like to me. And I don’t get the translation of inspiration painting to gown. I just do not see it, even after Laura’s explanation (which, ahem, she shouldn’t have needed to give). Poor Olivier. Just crumpled like a wet shredded rag. It would have been AWESOME if he’d been able to pull together a menswear-inspired avant-garde look.

      • Anonymous

        My granny actually used to make those toilet paper doll covers.  Lord only knows why, they were nutty even way back then.  Actually, if Laura HAD made it truly the gown a toilet paper doll cover, complete with a bit of t.p. around the hem, if COULD have become more avant garde.  Maybe Midwestern Barbie was onto something!

    • Anonymous

      Poor little Olivier…I want to hand him a teddy bear and a shiny sticker to put on his lunchbox. 

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/dLUE.9h6zdoHMLprP6AQrSQpKt0CZys-#e58b4 tom

      Precious Moments should leave and take One Nut with him and I don’t mean for a one nighter.

    • Anonymous

      I was very surprised when Precious Moments didn’t get auf’d. It seemed like a no brainer to me. Good thing his model was wearing undies! His dress was a depressing little train wreck and I don’t see him being able to do any better with whatever challenge is thrown his way next week. Poor kid is so far out of his element it’s painful to watch his quiet meltdowns.  

    • Anonymous

      Olive Oyl should have had no problem with the avant garde aspects of the challenge.  Seems to me his teastained aesthetic fits right in with Martin Margiela, Yohji Yamamoto and, most especially,  Comme Des Garcons.  I can see the bright colours of the painting throwing him for a loop but he should have ‘made that work’.

      At the risk of sounding all Bertian, it does annoy me how few fashion and costume history references some of these kids have.  At the very least if you know you’re going to be on Project Runway, find out what ‘Avant Garde’ means and maybe even pre-prepare a truly avant garde idea or silhouette that you can somehow shoe horn into the challenge as posed.

      • Anonymous

        I have been in the field of journalism since the late 1980s. I can’t understand how someone entering the design industry doesn’t know the overarching basics. It’s like a reporter — when we used to have reporters, that is — not knowing the difference between an investigative story v. a profile piece v. a breaking news story.

      • Anonymous

        That’s true, Olivier’s normal aesthetic is more avant-garde than what he attempted in this challenge – and he is oblivious to that. He is drowning in a sea of confusion.

        I’d be rather surprised if most of the designers on the show know who Martin Margiela, Yohji Yamamoto, or Rei Kawakubo are – which is sad.

        However, I do have to say, I don’t think you can really prepare yourself to make a truly avant-garde look. You can prepare yourself to copy designers who make them, but you either have that sensibility or you don’t. That’s part of the problem with avant-garde challenges: they treat it like it’s the equivalent of “make something using only black and white” – and it’s not. Most designers simply are not avant-garde and never will be. I’m not sure they’ve ever had a designer as judge who is.

        • pacconci

          How about Philip Treacy?

          • Anonymous

            Oh, yes, thank you. I’ve apparently blocked most of Season 8 from my memory.

    • Mariah J

      Sure Laura’s definitely reads prom and bridesmaid but is that a bad thing when it’s such a gorgeous dress? Most prom and bridesmaid dresses are hideous, but they don’t have to be. I love this, not avant garde, but could be on a red carpet. Should have won in my opinion.

    • Anonymous

      I hated Laura’s dress. Maybe it was well constructed but I generally don’t like frilly frou frou dresses anyway.

      Poor Olivier. I hope this experience doesn’t scar him for life.

      • Anonymous

        All I can think of when I look at Laura’s dress is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jbrA2uzyo
        Did anyone else have a Peaches & Cream (yes seriously) Barbie?

        • Anonymous

          That’s the dress! Great find!!

        • Anonymous

          That’s the dress! Great find!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1663121863 Donna DeVore Metler

            It also looks like the Barbie “Magic of the Pegasus” dress, only in yellow/orange instead of white/lavender. The Barbie’s styling is better, though….

      • Anonymous

        All I can think of when I look at Laura’s dress is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jbrA2uzyo
        Did anyone else have a Peaches & Cream (yes seriously) Barbie?

      • Anonymous

        I can’t even give Laura a “…well constructed,” cause it was glue-gunned, yet again.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          Like x100. I think she did, however, manage to hide the gluing. I’m just not sure if she should earn points or lose them.

    • Anonymous

      When TLo asked for the finale five designers, I was thinking the top three would be Kimberly, Laura, and Anthony Ryan. Sticking with it at this point. (I said because I can’t stand Danielle’s designs she’ll probably be in, but that Bert and Victor would be fighting it out to get into the top five.)

    • Anonymous

      When TLo asked for the finale five designers, I was thinking the top three would be Kimberly, Laura, and Anthony Ryan. Sticking with it at this point. (I said because I can’t stand Danielle’s designs she’ll probably be in, but that Bert and Victor would be fighting it out to get into the top five.)

    • BuffaloBarbara

      With the Carrie reference, I’m thinking Laura’s dress would have been more interesting if she’d burned it more–one of Sue’s friends made it out of the prom, after all…

      Ahem.  Sorry, not sharing the love.  “Prom” is one thing.  “Seventies prom dress bought off the discount rack in 1981″ is another.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRYUOEZZC2IVUO24TCJMVTDNSU Gianni Rubino

        Did Laura say she was burning Barbies as a child?  Why?  “It kinda smells like when I used to burn my Barbies.”  Maybe I misheard it?

        Is that what the privileged do as troubled teens, huff burning Barbies?  I need to take another Psych class me thinks, or at least a little trip over to Google.

        Gianni Rubino

    • BuffaloBarbara

      With the Carrie reference, I’m thinking Laura’s dress would have been more interesting if she’d burned it more–one of Sue’s friends made it out of the prom, after all…

      Ahem.  Sorry, not sharing the love.  “Prom” is one thing.  “Seventies prom dress bought off the discount rack in 1981″ is another.

    • http://profiles.google.com/gillianholroyd gillian holroyd

      That girl has a *rosette* on her hip. So Roberto Cavalli-ish. 

    • Anonymous

      I’m having a mind meld with T Lo on this one.  Laura’s was pretty but the boning part was just confusing, like somebody wearing the wrong undergarments. And the Amy Irving comment was perfect. 

      I thought Olivier had panicked and used some of the muslin for the structured side of his garment because that’s what it looked like. I can’t imagine picking such an unattractive fabric.  His number is up soon. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHWCJIMARF4OOW6PQZQS3RFOOA JillK

      Not one piece from these designers in any way “pushes the boundaries of what’s accepted as the norm.”

      This is avant garde

      This is avant garde

      This is avant garde

      What these people did (based on what I’ve seen in these posts, since I really did stick to my pledge not to watch this season), are nothing more than DRESSES. Overly-designed, ugly DRESSES.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks so much for the images; really helps explain the sort of visual impact required of an avant garde design. None of the designs–save Bert’s–even came close. 

        • Anonymous

          We can legitimately whine about the designers not knowing A-G from their A-nus, but c’mon, the first designer to send that umbrella dress down the runway would have had Duchess all up in his/her grill raving “Who IS this girl? Who would wear this??”  Given the great honkin bowl o’ Count Crackula coming from the judging panel this season, I don’t think I would have risked actual A-G neethuh.

          • BuffaloBarbara

            Unfortunately, I agree.  “Ew, what’s that?  We said avant-garde, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t look like something you can’t wear on the subway!”

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHWCJIMARF4OOW6PQZQS3RFOOA JillK

              Except, as T-Lo said, “Tim told the designers not to worry about wearability and practicality.” That being the case, I don’t know how the judges could have been critical of something that was impractical or unwearable by the average woman, or even *any* woman.

            • BuffaloBarbara

              Yup, unfortunately, the judges seemed to be using a much different definition than Tim was.  That Tim was right didn’t seem to impact their judging.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHWCJIMARF4OOW6PQZQS3RFOOA JillK

              I will take you at your word, since I’m not watching this season. But I do recall that the judges did have a habit of doing that, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they did.

              I just know that if I were a contestant on this show and they told me I had to make something avant garde based on art, I’d have found a way to make the model actually wear a picture frame. She’d probably be wearing a hat made from an upside down paint can and her hair, face, neck and shoulders would be covered in colored paint streaks and drips.

              Something like this, but even more.

              But I’m kind of twisted that way. ;)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHWCJIMARF4OOW6PQZQS3RFOOA JillK

          You’re welcome, SapphoPoet!

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier’s Mr. Rodgers getup was more interesting than what he designed. He was my choice for the auf, because that thing is just tragic.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T4MITQF3LY3T3KEKKOTMUP6EM Sarah

        I am so glad someone else noticed his Mr Rodgers outfit!!! 

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier’s Mr. Rodgers getup was more interesting than what he designed. He was my choice for the auf, because that thing is just tragic.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier’s Mr. Rodgers getup was more interesting than what he designed. He was my choice for the auf, because that thing is just tragic.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier’s Mr. Rodgers getup was more interesting than what he designed. He was my choice for the auf, because that thing is just tragic.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier’s Mr. Rodgers getup was more interesting than what he designed. He was my choice for the auf, because that thing is just tragic.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Olivier’s Mr. Rodgers getup was more interesting than what he designed. He was my choice for the auf, because that thing is just tragic.

    • Anonymous

      I wonder if the designers, except for Bert, really understand what avant garde means.  Does design school teach about the history of fashion or of art?  Remember when Viktor said a dress was Victorian or something and Bert corrected him (correctly) saying it he was actually referring to the Renaissance?  I can’t remember the details, I just remember thinking a) Bert was a pill for correcting his teammate about something that didn’t really matter to the problem at hand and b) I was surprised that Viktor didn’t know some basic elements in the history of fashion.  Maybe it’s a generational thing in design school education -?  Designers out there, am I wrong? If I know these basic things, sitting here in my LL Bean shirt, shouldn’t they?

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i’m omitting a distressing treatise here on what they do & do not teach in art/design school these days & who is/is not teaching what they do/do not teach. imneverho, it isnt great. it’s an educated opinion, too, to make up for its lack of humility.

        otoh:
        no i dont think any of them really understood what the words avant-garde mean. they treat it like its nebulous, but it’s only slightly more nebulous than, say, the words that define scrambled eggs. true, avant garde is more conceptual than what comes out of a chicken & into a frying pan, but, then again, lots of people would debate the ingredients you put in scrambled eggs. doesnt mean that there isnt a basic definition behind either term.

        my fave definitions from PR have to be lots & lots of fabric & whatever it was gretchen said last year. i dont remember what she said but remembering her it probably had to do w/ rich white people interpreting what those lucky little people of other cultures create for our interpretive, & sustainable if you dont think too hard, benefit.

        but maybe i’m just cranky.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          Can’t it be both?  Bert was a pill. Bert was also dead on right, and Viktor should have been embarrassed that “Victorian” had slipped out of his mouth, and said, “Agh, yeah, sorry, brain fart, I did mean Elizabethan.”  Instead, he complained that anyone would expect him to know such a thing. Excuse me, but one of the advantages of getting the education that you were complaining about other people not having is that it gives you a shared vocabulary so you can actually communicate!  And that, well, you’re supposed to know something at the end of it.

          • Anonymous

            “Shared vocabulary.”  Exactly.  How do you expect to have a career in an industry–any industry–if you don’t know the basics so you can communicate effectively with your colleagues???

        • Anonymous

          Yes, astonishingly ignorant!  I was really taken aback.  History gives us context and a springboard.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          Edi, your comment is a little bit of brilliance, something I seriously need today.

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            thank you.
            you totally made my day.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              You’re welcome.

    • Anonymous

      Watching the show, I was surprised to see Laura in the top three because I thought her dress was the least avant-garde of all of them You can see that Judy Noodles style prom dress in just about any bridal shop/department store in the country. But the more I look at it, and the more I realize the definition of ‘avant garde’ to the producers and judges of PR isn’t the same as the rest of the fashion industry, the more I like it on its own terms. It is a pretty dress; I love the colour — which is very on-trend; and the boning added an interesting twist.
      As for Precious Moments. Ugh. I can’t believe you guys like the off-white parts of his mess. To me they look like he hasn’t washed his bedsheets in a while. Dingy gray ugly. There was nothing about his design that interpreted his painting. The painting was bright and energetic and composed. The dress was dingy and sad and limp and confused.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t understand the love for Blenley’s dress in an avante garde challenge – some of the middle garments had more a.v. elements than boning and ruffles and egg yolk yellow.

      Olivier was fortunate Josh C. was around or he’d be packing his bags.  That was just a dreary rainy day mess.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry, but as soon as Becky made her comment about how Blandly’s dress look like one of those fancy TP covers, that’s all I could see.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        It’s too bad she didn’t go all the way and give it a cylindrical frame.   That might have made it closer to avant-garde,

    • Anonymous

      Oliver should have been auf’d with Josh C.  That dress is horrendous.

      • Anonymous

        Agree!  If there can be 2 “winners” (or at least, the best of the bads), why can’t there be 2 “auf-fers”?  Then bring back yet another former “auf-fer” so the #s still work out.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

      I keep thinking that the foreshadowing/loser’s edit for Precious’ auf’ing will include a heretofore untold tragic backstory - maybe something about his having been horribly teased during his teenage years for his looks/size/who knows what – that has shaped his life.   Like Mondo, he seems really sweet; unlike Mondo, he just doesn’t seem to have that inner strength to be able to handle the competition, much less the fame.   The faux Euro-blend accent is really starting to wear on my last nerve.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, I’m starting to think he has a bit of a speech impediment.  I can’t quite tell, but his articulation seems strained.

        • Anonymous

          YES! I’ve thought that since the beginning – something in speech is more impedimenty than accenty. It’s a blend, really, of real accent, pseudo-accent, and speech impediment. Glad it wasn’t just my ears hearing that.

    • nicewilliams

      ♫ Tale as old as time

      True as it can be

      Barely even friends

      Then somebody bends

      Unexpectedly

      Just a little change

      Small to say the least

      Both a little scared

      Neither one prepared

      Beauty and the Beast♫

    • Anonymous

      Laura’s model looks like she’s graduating from Drag U with the character name “Yummy Yellowcake” but her talk with Ru went badly and now she’s more depressed than ever.

      I’m not sure what to say about Precious Moment’s…a stripper in a very conservative town?  Gawd, it’s just so awful!

    • http://www.facebook.com/suzie.vazquez Suzie Vazquez

      The young girl asks, “Do you like listening to music when you work?” , “Yeah”,  “What type?”, “Really depressing music.”

       ahaha I bet you do.

      I can’t believe he sent that down the runway. Just thought his aesthetic was so much better than that. Tragic. But he has more potential than Josh.. so he stays.

      I suppose little rich girl has proven others wrong. Still don’t like her quotes.. but her work so far isn’t bad.

    • Anonymous

      I find myself bizzarely loving little Olivier Twist, even after this debacle. Probably pure narcissism, as his personal style, appearance, and demeanor is similar to mine.

      That being said, I thought Laura’s was ugly. U-G-L-Y, like a quincinera store took on a replica of Belle’s dress from Beauty and the Beast. Normally, by this point in time, I can pinpoint the final three. Not here. Damn

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Yeah, I still like Olivier, too.  Probably for the same reason.  I feel like he’s more than a little lost, though.

    • Anonymous

      it would have been nice to see – as the blonde judge mentioned – that pleated piece of Olivers across nothing BUT chiffon flowing gown – instead of whatever the hell happened here

    • Anonymous

      I think Laura and Victor are showing the most talent thus far – however it is all so much less that seasons past.

    • Didi None

      I didn’t realize just how awful Oliver’s dress is until I saw the still shots of it here! Horrible.

      Laura’s dress is pretty, but I don’t agree that it is unique.  The layered organza (or chiffon?) reminds me of some of the low-end bridal dresses Vera Wang did for David’s Bridal.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQPXLNCBM5CZSHZZXJDHPVFS7E Buffy

      I liked Laura’s dress and think she did a great job interpreting the painting rather than trying to portray it realistically via fashion.  Poor Oliver, I really felt for him this week.  From his “I like depressing music” to “I think silence is the most powerful emotion” I can’t help but wonder if he wouldn’t benefit from some therapy and anti-depressants.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

      Minimalism should translate quite well into avant-garde. But I guess when everyone on the show thinks avant-garde means ‘elaborate costume,’ then I can see how Olivier would be lost.

    • Anonymous

      I warmed to Laura a bit when she mentioned that she used to burn her Barbies.  I think there may be a few interesting layers behind that sheltered Midwestern facade.  I hope so!

      Seeing how no one managed an avant garde look, I don’t think it can even be used as a criteria with a straight face.  Laura’s was as OK as any of the “top” looks.

      Olivier was totally saved by Josh C’s were-hooker look.  I don’t think they could keep him around in good conscience, no matter how much crack is being smoked in the judges’ circle.  (A lot, apparently.)

      • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

        Oh my god – my first laugh of the day and it’s almost eleven at night.  Thank you.  ROFL:  I warmed to Laura a bit when she mentioned that she used to burn her Barbies.  I think there may be a few interesting layers behind that sheltered Midwestern facade.  I hope so!

    • Anonymous

      I don’t understand the love that Laura’s dress received.  I think most of us agree it wasn’t avant garde, but more than that it just looks cheap. The fabric and color choice were both just awful.  She kind of looked like a big glass of Citrucel.   

      I think it would do all future PR designers a great deal of good if they do some research on avant garde designers to get an idea of what it really means.

      • Anonymous

        If they insist on pulling out the old avant garde challenge each season then they should at least have Sir Tim give a brief tutorial or lecture on the movement. It seems most of these designers have no background whatsoever in art history.

      • Anonymous

        Brava!  Seems to me that the challenges are pretty predictable – unconventional materials, red carpet, faux couture, and avant garde are some pretty good guesses.  So what designer, knowing that they were even applying to appear on PR would not prepare by doing a little research?  (Well, clearly, few of them.  Otherwise they would have done their homework.)  More to the point, there must be at least a short period of time between being selected and assembling to begin the competition.  Why does it seem that no one is doing a little research to hone their knowledge of major historical clothing trends, current design aesthetics, and what can be found in a dollar store (just in case).  This deer in the headlights approach is not interesting to watch.

    • http://twitter.com/turtleemily Turtle Emily

      My first thought with all the folds was, “How nice – a labia dress,” which is appropriate, I suppose, with an inspiration of flowers.

    • Donna Schmidt

      Why is Olivier dressed as Ward Cleaver?

    • Anonymous

      Her dress was hiddy, I thought. And I thought for sure Precious Moments was going home, especially after Tim came in telling him that gluing his model into her dress was against the rules. He just seems so very clueless as to the whole structure of the show / game.
      PS: My 7-year old daughter only calls him Precious Moments.

      • MilaXX

        What a trooper that model was for saying yes when he asked could he glue the dress to her.

    • Anonymous

      Laura’s dress looks like Belle’s from Beauty and the Beast.

    • Anonymous

      “We’re not convinced the boning worked as a design element as much as the judges were.” LOL, ya think? She had to explain it. In detail. That’s not good. It did not fit the challenge, but it was undoubtedly the best-made piece up there. The skirt (especially in the back) moved beautifully. Poor PM’s artist. Felt so bad for her. The painting was vibrant and interesting and well-done, three words that could not be applied to the dress by any means.

    • Anonymous

      My Paid Distribution suggestion is…

        You might like “Physical Symptoms of a Dying Cat”.

            Why, I’d never!

      • http://twitter.com/QuincyTKatz Quincy Katz

        Mine too. I found it disturbing.

    • Anonymous

      What’s with the hair and makeup this year?!!!!! Are those L’Oreal/Garnier guys just smoking crack between episodes or are they as bored with this season as I am and are taking revenge?

      I hated the boning on Laura’s dress and as for Lil O–why is he making a dress from a white bedsheet that got tossed in with the darks in the laundry? Not to mention the fact that it looks like he stapled a bunch of odd shaped fabric together. What a hideous mess.

    • Phillip Wilde

      Laura’s dress wasn’t my favorite, but she certainly put a lot of thought into it and it looked well-made, even though we know from workroom footage that a lot of those ruffles were glued on.

      Olivieuoaeur’s dress reminded me of Ariel trying to make a dress out of a ripped sail after she got her legs.  The first words out of my mouth when it came down the runway were “What a f***ing mess!”  The next words out of my mouth were “I can practically see her vagina!”

      Also, during one of the confessional bits, Olivier said “I’m just so confused,” and I shouted “So is your accent!”

    • Now I am The Bee

      Had Laura’s dress been in white–it wold have looked like some of the more daring wedding gowns I’ve seen on “Say Yes to the Dress.”  I liked the details on it–it actually could be a nice spring Red Carpet outfit.  The hair and make-up, though, were awful.  The biggest thing, though, was that it was very well made.  So much better than the winning look. 

      Poor Olivierier…he’s in way over his head.  That outfit was the saddest thing “in the history of Project Runway!”  and I didn’t see any relation to the original painting at all. 
      You are so right that he’s not long for this competition.  He’s just too delicate. 

      • MilaXX

        Pnina Torne’s entire repertoire is based on sheer, corseted bodices.

    • Now I am The Bee

      Had Laura’s dress been in white–it wold have looked like some of the more daring wedding gowns I’ve seen on “Say Yes to the Dress.”  I liked the details on it–it actually could be a nice spring Red Carpet outfit.  The hair and make-up, though, were awful.  The biggest thing, though, was that it was very well made.  So much better than the winning look. 

      Poor Olivierier…he’s in way over his head.  That outfit was the saddest thing “in the history of Project Runway!”  and I didn’t see any relation to the original painting at all. 
      You are so right that he’s not long for this competition.  He’s just too delicate. 

    • Anonymous

      After some careful thought (okay, about 5 seconds) I realized that I would rather talk about avant garde clothing than any of the offerings provided to us in this challenge.  So, my plan for the rest of the discussions of this week’s competition is to provide an image or site with some truly avant garde clothing for unborn fawns and bitter kittens to consider.  So, check out the following:

      http://www.thelovelyroom.com/2010/01/guo-peis-artwork-chinas-avant-garde-fashion-designer/

      Enjoy!

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for the link….. Now that was avant garde…. and fantastic!

        • Anonymous

          Incredibly odd and interesting. Thank you for the link

        • Anonymous

          Incredibly odd and interesting. Thank you for the link

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Those are great–definitely weird, but weird in a beautiful and striking way.

      • Anonymous

        Gorgeous–thank you!

      • Anonymous

        Gorgeous–thank you!

    • MilaXX

      I just can’t get past how awful the styling for every single model was. It was as if the thought avant garde = hair & makeup from the 80′s

    • Anne Lucchesi

      Is it me or is the construction seriously lacking this season? I had to go back to season 4 to figure out I was thinking of Jillian Lewis but did they used to get more time or something? Because I remember some of the outfits she put together (the fully plaid-lined ruffled coat?) and I swear they were so much more complex and better executed. Not to mention the earlier “avant garde” challenges and the crazy Viktor-and-Rolf-esque shit they put together. Somebody help me out here?

      • Anonymous

        Well didn’t seth aaron accolmplish more than most of the other designer – more finished pieces?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kwei-lin-Lum/100000393438923 Kwei-lin Lum

      1.  The designers got more time this challenge and on the whole outfits were more interesting than prior challenges this season.  Of course, the nature of this avant garde challenge should have assured more interesting clothes.  Still, the designers got time to develop some of their ideas and there were fewer totally half baked items out there.

      2.  The producers, whom I’m guessing are extremely cheap, should spend more money to buy the designers more time.  The designers would showcase their abilities better.  Then better talent might try out.  Right now the designers are not being treated with respect by the producers.

      3.  If there is indeed an applicant talent drought, why not bring back more people who have already been on the show?  I’m not talking about all-stars but re-incorporating a few non-finalists such as Daniel Franco.

      4.The judging discussion this week was far more constructive than normal and more well thought out.  Thanks to the new judges especially Kenneth Cole for upping the bar.  A person watching the show could really learn something about design.

    • Anonymous

      I did not realize until I saw these screen shots that the slit in Olivier’s skirt reaches practically to the model’s waist, and that her underwear is visible.  Someone needs to tell him that “avant-garde” does not mean “tacky”. 

      Both of these designs are overworked.

    • Anonymous

      I love that Laura’s dress looks “well constructed” even though she glue-gunned those ruffles!

    • Anonymous

      Is it my imagination or is Olivier’s accent getting odder and odder?

      • Anonymous

        My boyfriend and I were saying the same thing. It almost sounds like an odd fusion of an American/English accent with hearing impairment. Very weird.

    • Logo Girl

      Thanks for referencing Sue Snell. That made my day.

    • Logo Girl

      Thanks for referencing Sue Snell. That made my day.

    • Logo Girl

      Thanks for referencing Sue Snell. That made my day.

    • Logo Girl

      Thanks for referencing Sue Snell. That made my day.

    • Judy_J

      I was sure this would send Olivier home.  It looks like half a dress, half finished.  Wasn’t too impressed with Laura’s offering, either.  Too frou-frou.

    • Anonymous

      Part of Olivier’s problem was that he had no idea that avant garde meant “something that’s never been done before.”  He seemed to think it meant “something that *I’ve* never done before,” even after Tim tried to explain.   

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

      You would think anyone who wants to be on the show, would look up the definition of Avant Garde fashion before trying out!  How can it be that almost every single person completely missed the boat? 

      • Anonymous

        This comment and others like it are so on the money about this show. The current contestants had eight previous seasons to study. They know what some of the recurring challenges are. They know the address of Mood. They presumably know how to Google, even if some of them don’t seem to know where the local library is.  You’re competing for $100,000 plus.  How is it possible that you don’t do basic research?

    • http://dcmoosings.blogspot.com LouC

      Did anyone else flash back to Kayne in Season 3 and how the corset bones were visible in his avant garde dress — and that caused him to be aufed? Why does it work in one dress and not another. I thought Laura’s was pretty, but not avant garde. 

      • Anonymous

        I went trying to find the dress, haven’t yet, but did find that Kayne actually went out the following week for the Black and White challenge when they brought Vincent and Angela for a chance to get back in. Laura won that week with that gorgeous lace dress.

        • http://dcmoosings.blogspot.com LouC

          at any rate, the judges trashed him for the see-through corset. I tried to find the dress too, but couldn’t.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4AZYKFDGYZTFQJML25GU4RJBUQ Anh-Thu

        I remember that challenge well, and that wasn’t an avant-garde challenge, that was a couture challenge. Either way, in this case, Laura had a painting as her inspiration, and she articulated her use of intentionally visible boning well. But as you said, Laura’s dress isn’t avant-garde.

    • Kathryn Howell Dalton

      dirty pillowcase minimalist aesthetic — hahaha

    • vmcdanie

      I can’t tell if Laura Kathleen might be a mean girl in person-I guess that’s irrelevant-but I like her as a contestant. She knows what she’s doing and can articulate it well. I perk up and listen closely during her interview segments.

      Good Lord, I thought Olivier was gonna go some distance but, well, I’ve been wrong before. Other than that dress just not being pretty or interesting, it’s like the one half has never met the other half. And that is some seriously dowdy, bulky and depressing fabric.

    • Anonymous

      The most interesting thing about Olivier is that he’s apparently slowly becoming somebody’s grandfather.

      • Damien Washington

        Serious! When he starts jingling change in his pocket like Fred Mertz, it’s a sign he’s about to crack.

    • Anonymous

      Olivierer is just damn lucky that he has a halfway decent model.

    • Anonymous

      Olivierer is just damn lucky that he has a halfway decent model.

    • Arcy Silver

      nobody deserved to win this episode. they’re all just so lame. the contestants in PR australia are doing much better. 

    • Anonymous

      Laura made a really pretty dress–it reminds me of meringue drizzled with thin lines of caramel. 

      Olivier–sigh. He is so out of his depth. Sad clothes. Would be interesting to see if his menswear is also sad.

    • Anonymous

      It was agonizing to watch Olivier sinking slowly as the challenge went on.  TLo got it right–he just can’t get out of hiw own POV, and he was so lost.  I felt bad for him, but again, this is not a brand new show, and if he was going to be a contestant, he should have thought about how he would adapt to the challenges.

      As for Ozark Barbie, if schoolgirls are oohing and aahing over your creation and wanting to wear it to their proms, you have not created an avant garde look. How do you not know that? And it was so overwrought that even Kayne would have told her to take it down a notch. Tissue paper flowers?  Really?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4AZYKFDGYZTFQJML25GU4RJBUQ Anh-Thu

      Laura made a pretty dress, but as you said, it isn’t avant-garde–more prom dress. However, it looked like it was constructed well and moved just as well. It was smart of her to burn the raw edges of her fabric to seal it, instead of leaving it unfinished, unlike SOME people… *cough*AnthonyRyan*cough*

    • Anonymous

      What on EARTH is going on with the hair-styling this season?? That “shellacked on top, poofy down and out” look is something I used to do…When I was twelve and figuring out how to use hair products to tone down frizzy hair (and thought “the top of my head is frizziest, so I should put more STUFF on the top of my head!”). Laura and Josh C. used that hairstyle in the same challenge…Is this a new thing??

    • Anonymous

      I could not be more underwhelmed by Laura’s dress. It’s the lovechild of Christian Siriano and Judy Noodles, without any of the sophistication they might bring to a prom gown. The very best thing I could say about it was that there was a certain liquidity to the way it moved.

      The thong-baring leg slit on Olivier’s was not obvious during the show; seeing it now just makes me even more convinced he should have been aufed.

    • sweetlilvoice

      Precious Moment’s model looks as sad as he does to be wearing such a mess. Just send him home now along with the other cute figurines. He’s been a mess since the long skirt Pentecostal look.

    • Lynn Landry

      The first dress in this post seemed a lot like Judy Noodle’s clothes from two seasons ago.