PR: Team DSM IV

Posted on September 10, 2011

Kittens, you have no idea how odd it is for us to read at least a thousand comments and messages about an episode of Project Runway that we haven’t seen. Being out of the loop on anything Project Runway related is not something we’ve ever really experienced. Of course, sitting on the edge of a hotel bed putting a PR post together on about 3 hours of sleep is pretty new to us as well.

And everyone wants to know what T Lo thinks of Josh. Well, we think he’s a fabulously talented designer and a truly warm and gifted human being.

 

HAHA. PSYCH!

He’s graduated past mere “Drama Queen” status (because, as queens, we are offended by any term that places us alongside him) and is in full on Drama Vortex mode. A Drama Vortex is someone who isn’t merely histrionic, but completely sociopathic in their need for constant attention and to be the #1 Bitch in the room at all times.  If a Drama Queen can be compared to a thunderstorm, a Drama Vortex is then a Category 5 hurricane, with accompanying earthquakes and sprouting volcanoes. Drama Queens can be irritating but occasionally amusing; Drama Vortexes are toxic in all things and every relationship. If we had a friend who introduced Josh to us as their new boyfriend, we wouldn’t even be polite about it. Right in front of him we’d say, “Get out. Now. The crazy is coming from inside the house.”

But as we watched the episode, we couldn’t help agreeing with what Bert said about Josh a couple weeks ago. It’s not worth getting upset about him because he’s such an embarrassment to himself. It’s like he’s walking around the room like a strutting cock (in any sense of the word you’d like) and not realizing he’s pissing his pants in front of everyone.

And we really do hate to get too personal about these people but we’ve been blogging reality TV for too long and heard too many insider stories from too many people, so we’re just gonna come out and say what we feel to be true: all this “My mother is dead” stuff is pure calculation on his part. Josh is many things, but he’s not stupid. He knows, as do most people who get on this show now, that a combination of scene-stealing jackassery and heartstring-tugging backstory will guarantee his place in the competition right up to the end. Get mad at him if you want to, but know that you’re giving both him and the producers of this show exactly what they want.

The concept for this collection was weak, confusing, and too literal all at the same time. The video, and some of the messaging made it sound like they were going for a frantic, life-in-the-city, go, go, go kinda vibe, but they realized that by … clock pieces. That is just about as lame as it gets. Curiously, they had the more cohesive collection and the better styling.

As for the rest of the team, we’ll do this quick-style:

Bert is back in our good graces. He’s cranky like only a middle-aged queen can be, but he’s lost the nastiness that characterized his earlier relationships. We thought he acted maturely and appropriately dismissive of Josh’s ridiculous behavior. BELIEVE US, you don’t get to be an out middle-aged gay man without meeting (and dating)  PUH-LENTY of Joshes. He’s seen it all before and, like us, has no time or interest in any of it.

Laura is turning back to her Kewl Kids, Mean Girl persona. Talking dismissively about a teammate’s work behind her back and with a member of the opposing team is just pure shittery, top to bottom.

Kimberley we love more than ever. Like Bert, she had no time or interest in any of the bullshit and she was smart enough to realize that the prints they were using were going to put them in the bottom, so she just opted not to use them.

Becky, we’re sorry to say, is too passive-aggressive and unwilling to stand up for herself. It’s not just go-along-to-get-along, like we originally assumed. It’s not having the confidence to stand up for yourself as a person and as a designer. That doesn’t mean she deserved any poor treatment, but she didn’t do anything to make it stop or to make it clear that people were out of bounds. You don’t face a bully by being nice and hoping they’ll change.


And, having seen the episode, we’re completely on board with the judges’ decision. This was absolutely the weakest look on that runway; so free of design elements that it wasn’t designed at all. And the fact that she made multiple versions of the same pieces just to try and please her teammates did not speak well of her as a designer. You have to fight for yourself and stand up for your point of view.

As jumpsuits go, Laura’s wasn’t bad at all. The proportions are just right and we like some of the touches, like the way the straps are attached and the wisely minimal use of the print in the belt.

Bert’s dress was a pretty good design rendered in a fabric that took it way down on the fabulous scale. Plus, the hem was just too long. It’s beautifully constructed, but he would have been better off using more of the solid fabrics in the design.

Kimberley’s is just okay. Some interesting elements, like the shape of the skirt and the blue panel at the waist, but the proportions are off (skirt both too short and too wide) and the fabric choice for the skirt was kind of ugly.

Josh’s was a close second to Becky’s in the race to the bottom. We’ll give him credit for that jacket, which is an interesting design, even if it does feel a bit unfinished and half-assed. His blouse is just as undesigned as Becky’s is and the pants – both the print (which he created) and the cut – are much, much worse than her skirt. But you can’t accuse of him of not standing up for his designs and at least he had one interesting piece in the look. As much as we would like to see him go, it’s a design competition and Becky sent something down that runway that was both underdesigned and not particularly representative of her point of view, just because she kept re-doing it in order to get approval from other people.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

    Tomorrow will be the first anniversary of my mother’s death. All week I’ve been neglecting viciously attacking my coworkers in honor of it. 

    • Anonymous

      All I can say to Josh is that my deceased mother would have come back just to tell me to knock it off if I behaved like he did.

      • Anonymous

        I posted during the show, that unless his mother was Mommy Dearest -  wouldn’t she be proud of her disgusting son.

      • Anonymous

        Mine, too. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N3A4UWYDKH3VB4SMNYXZNOMIZE Anonymous

        As would my father.  Who passed away when I was 24.

      • Anonymous

        RosiesGirl, I am sorry for your loss.  I’ve been there and the first one is painful.  Hopefully you have some good memories to help you through.

        • Anonymous

          Losing a parent is a sorrow that we all go through, if the world works the way it should.  I miss my folks every day (dad 10 months ago, mom 3 years) and yes, I was not there for either of their deaths, since they each died without warning, from heart attacks.

          So, how does that affect my day-to-day behavior?  I find myself saying things they said, using mannerisms they had, even slightly mispronouncing words they mis-pronounced.  (“Muss” instead of “mess”).  I find myself carefully not imitating them when disciplining my child.  

          Which makes me wonder:  When Josh shouted at Bert and shook his finger “I will not have it, Bert!”  I really truly wondered how many times Josh’s mother (or father) has said that to him.  That would be a very painful legacy to carry, and a poisonous one if it was said to Josh too many times in similarly inappropriate circumstances.  

    • Anonymous

      I was stunned the first time I heard him say his mom died 2 years ago. TWO YEARS AGO??? And you think that’s STILL an excuse (if it ever was) for emotional volatility?? When we first heard the “boo-hoo-mommy” bit, I assumed it was recent, like in the past 6 months or so. This week, I was yelling at the screen: “Oh, jesus christ on a cracker, my mom died 4 months ago, and I haven’t used that as a reason to throw tantrums and abuse everyone around me!  And I don’t even have a dad still left like you do!!  SO KNOCK IT OFF!”

      I know it’s supposed to (in his mind or the producers’) make me like him more, but it actually makes me really hate him for using his mother’s death in such a blatantly manipulative way. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

        Yep. That’s the problem with the emotional manipulation bit. Others who have gone through the same thing aren’t going to have any sympathy for someone using the situation to excuse what is frankly just bad behavior. And I doubt he just started acting like this after his mom died.  

        • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

          AMEN! I’ll admit that six years into my mothers death, I drank myself silly on the actual day and was somewhat snippy with coworkers, but nothing, NOTHING excuses this kind of behavior. And seeing something so personal used in such a manipulative way makes me want to slap him.

          • Lisa

            Yup, same thing happened to me, and you just never know when it’s going to hit.  Four years after my brother died, I was okay on his birthday.  FIVE years after he died and it was his birthday, it just hit me the wrong way, and I layed around and cried most of the day.  But here’s the thing – I was supposed to go visit friends later on that day, and I thought, “I’m a wreck.  I can’t subject them to this. I should probably stay home.”  Then I got a text from one of them saying she couldn’t wait to see me, so I just took a bunch of deep breaths, washed my face, and went over to see them with a smile.  Because unless it’s less than a year after the loss – come on, you just try your very very best to not do that to people. Not that there’s a time frame, but really – come on.

            And as you pointed out, you didn’t use it in a manipulative way – he did. He’s just appalling. Because, the other thing is – we’ve seen him behave this way before with Becky, and just generally be a bitch in all sorts of ways, and the loss of his mother wasn’t something that was mentioned.

        • Anonymous

          It actually was the anniversary of my mother’s death last week and though it’s been a long time, I am a mess on that day, so I get why Josh would be all over the place emotionally.  Doesn’t, though, excuse the bullying or lack of respect he shows people.  Like a classic bully, he went after the people he assumed were in the weakest position–the slightly frumpy older woman in the first challenge and the unpopular older guy in the second.  I think he stopped because it was so clear that Bert didn’t give a damn.  And if cranky, grouchy Bert thinks you’re an ass, well . . . it’s just not as fun.

          • Sarah Marfiak

            My beloved, gone too soon mother died last year on April 8th. I still cry about it on a regular basis, but BY MYSELF and anyone who knows what I am talking about knows that true grief is a VERY personal and private thing. If you were genuine, you would DOWNPLAY the loss in mixed company, in the hopes that people wouldn’t bring it up too often and make you break down. I think his abominable histrionics are contrived, and if there is any real emotion there, it’s guilt. Also, I think that specifically his little speech to Becky in the green room was a perfect example of why he’s a bitch. He had a fairly articulate answer for why he felt she wasn’t a good designer, but he delivered it in the meanest way.

          • Anonymous

            And while he thinks he can talk a good game as to why he thinks Becky isn’t a good designer, or worthy of being there, he is in no position to judge. His work is ass. And it makes it all the funnier to see his horrific ‘collection’ presented at Fashion Week. All the bullshit and camera whoring in the world couldn’t camouflage the fact that his work amounted to a big fat zero. It would be too generous to even call it mall clothes.

            –GothamTomato

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

        Yep. That’s the problem with the emotional manipulation bit. Others who have gone through the same thing aren’t going to have any sympathy for someone using the situation to excuse what is frankly just bad behavior. And I doubt he just started acting like this after his mom died.  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

        I think it’s deeper then “my mom died” and it was two years ago.  He didn’t spend time with her or see her much in her final years because he was chasing his dream in NY for fashion.  Winning PR to him means that he made the right decision that he apparently feels very guilty about.  This pressure that he is putting on himself by attaching this meaning to being successful on the show is probably bringing up a lot of painful things that he hasn’t dealt with.  He seems very immature to me, which means he probably hasn’t dealt with his mother’s death or really matured enough to handle it.  2 years may be long time for an adult – but for someone wo is still a child or hasn’t found themsleves it can take much longer to work through and come to an understanding on things.  If you don’t deal with something, it’s always going to be there as well.  I know Josh is annoying, but lets try to show some compassion here.  He is still a human being. 

      • Anonymous

        I lost my dad 34 years ago, when I was pregnant with my daughter, and I still get a little misty when I think about him—especially on his birthday—and constantly find myself speculating on what his reactions would be to things going on in the family now. However, I never did and never would use missing him as an excuse to treat other people like the dirt under my feet.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

          I don’t think Josh can use his mother’s death as an excuse to be a jerk – for sure.  It may be a reason – but he probably was a jerk before hand for sure.  However, I don’t think anyone in turn should turn around and be-little his mother’s death because he is a jerk.  It works both ways in my opinion.  His mother’s death is something that he is experiencing, along with being a jerk and along with being on project runway.  

    • Anonymous

      All my sympathies. Rising above and mourning with dignity is an awfully wonderful testament to how she raised you. Much love.

    • Anonymous

      All my sympathies. Rising above and mourning with dignity is an awfully wonderful testament to how she raised you. Much love.

    • Anonymous

      You are very funny, and your mother would probably howl at that!!

    • Lisa

      I’m sorry about your Mom, Marie.  

      My brother passed away eight years ago in December, and until I got a grip on the grief, the main thing I *always* reminded myself was “Never take the grief out on the people around you, because it’s not their fault, or anyone else’s that he’s gone.”  And no matter how much a person’s hurting, it doesn’t endear you to people.

      That being said – TLo just may have a point.  Josh may have been enough of a calculating bitch to actually use his mother’s death to manipulate the audience and his co-contestants.  It’s appalling to think that he’d do that, but he *does* strike me as the type to do that.  

      Different people handle grief in different ways, and some take longer than others to get a grip. But I’m trying to remember what I was like two years after my brother’s death, and it wasn’t like THAT!  A flip-out like that?  Yeah, I flipped out like that, I remember – a week after the funeral, after which I immediately went and got grief counseling so I would keep my shit together around other people.  So – advantage TLo, I think you two definitely may have this little drama queen’s number.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

        I think I’d feel sympathy of Josh if it just didn’t seem so obvious that he’s manipulating people. Oh, not just with his mother’s death. If he had a late night melt down after a Tim critique and his dress not coming together and threw something across the room and burst into tears, I’d say he needed a moment to himself. He’s having emotional moments. Dad seemed to pick up very quickly on things not going well. I think Dad might be used to it. But the other stuff isn’t emotional. It’s calculated.

        Take Bert. Josh knew others had complained about Bert, and there has been reason. So Josh grabbed the first moment when Bert did something that seemed negative and jumped all over his with his “I won’t have it” and “what did you say” trying to make it look like Bert was causing trouble. But honestly, if a grown man in his 50s muttering cuss words under his breath upsets him, how does he surviving living in NY? When no one else joined in, Josh backtracked and did the apology thing. 

        Then there’s the Becky issue. Now, I’m a writer and I’ve seen what Josh did to Becky happen in plenty of writing groups, sometimes with people just as much “fun” as Josh is. It’s a technique people use to try to look better than perhaps they are. They focus in on someone who is at least slightly behind them in skill and repeatedly point out those weaknesses to others in the group. You’d be surprised how often there’s a reference to degrees or college and a bunch of technical terms to show they know more than the “Becky” does.  Oh, some of the other designers have done the same thing and I have no doubt the private interviews encourage it. But Josh is making sure he’s the one who gets the camera time.  

        And  that camera time thing is where he really loses me. I don’t think any of us here who have been through the grieving process would WANT to do it on camera in front of a national audience. Poor Josh just can’t stand the cameras not being on him. 

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I believe we’ve been in the same writing groups. :D  Sometimes, it’s useful (“I have a PhD in astronomy… the solar system you’ve created has a few problems.  Can I make a suggestion that might be interesting?”).  Other times, it’s just silly.  Of course the best are where everyone except the instructor is at the same level, but THEY, you see, don’t write “genre fiction.” (I always want to say, “Yes, you do–the genre is ‘contemporary realism.’”)

      • Anonymous

        I know a girl who is in her early 20s, as is Josh, and feels the need to have a new physical ailment every day. She falls down the stairs (when no one sees her) and hurts her leg, her wrist hurts so much she can’t write, she has a “proceedure” at the doctors office that day and has horrible cramps, she is crying loudly and only when someone is near her to hear (trust me, I was around the corner when she didn’t know I was there, but I knew when someone would walk into the same room she was in) just to get asked “what’s wrong?” –and while I was sympathic at first every day it became more eye rolling and disgusting. Especially when you know someone who is much worse off, such as when my mother was diagnosed with cancer and she has a migraine that day and was just DYING, it just pisses you off.
        People who do this, especially at this age because they have no life-experience, need attention and pity and this is the only way they think can get it. When you take someone else’s pain or death and turn it into attention whoring for yourself, or out and out lie to get attention, you have major problems and should seek mental help immediately.

    • Tom Shea

      My mother is still alive. Maybe that’s why I’m not a reality-TV douche.

  • Anonymous

     WTF is going on at PR?? Listen, I was among the few hoping against hope that Becky wouldn’t be voted off (ok we knew, Ms. Wash My Face With Bronzer wouldn’t be voted off the island) but I wasn’t surprised. There was not any design element component to be seen. Ok maybe her jacket with the elbow component.  But that’s all. Bye, Becky. As to Ms. Slick Head AKA Josh, YOU’RE NOT ALL THAT! JUST STOP IT!! But REALLY Ayana??!!  And I’m not buying the, “ooh she used two different prints” argument and therefore she’s a design genius. I mean come on! They (the judges) talk of Bryce’s “mall outfit”, REALLY?!  I don’t even know how to watch this show anymore.  Here I was thinking that, there’s gonna be a bitch fest between choosing either Viktor or Oliveeeeeer. Which to be honest, having been under the influence of some great Sancerre, I would have been satisfy, happy, content (shit I was feeling mellow, with either choice). But ain’t  no ( I know people, double negative, but its needed) F’in way that video ho Anya shoulda won over  little Ms. Oliveeeeeer or  Ms. Viktor. Ain’t no way!!! Talk about a “mall design”!  You couldn’t get anymore mall design than with this, non-discript generic PTA mall uniform. “Square Back” and all, whatever!  Really, this is what won over a great jacket that Nina squealed she wanted right now and a gown that both the Duchess and Frau Seal were drooling over? How??!! Does Anya have a secret video on the Duchess, Heidi and Nina??!  Hmmmmmmm?? I’m just asking…

    • Helen C

      I thought the jumper was so ugly too!  And I’ve been a bit surprised nobody said anything about that…

      • Anonymous

        Thank you, for thinking so too! For someone who parades around as though her designs are the next big thing since the wheel, you’d think she would back it up something better than a jumper with a zipper in front which she harped on and on about like she invented the zipper!

  • Anonymous

    I sort of disagree about Kimberly. She was a little subversive. Instead of opting not to use the prints, she should have stuck her neck out a little to get better prints out of her team to begin with. Not that I think they would have listened to her. I was also surprised she was praised for avoiding the prints by the judges so much, since that usually means she just avoided the challenge. I guess you did not have to use the print, then.

    • Anonymous

      I’m torn–I think that nothing would have held up against the Drama Vortex, so I think it would have been wasted energy for Kimberly to try to change those patterns.  But I also think the judging this season is completely inconsistent in terms of whether you have to actually follow the rules of any particular challenge.

      • Anonymous

        Kimberly followed the rules.  There was no requirement that all the looks use the print.

        • Anonymous

          If the team didn’t have to use the print that the team (supposedly) came up with, the whole challenge makes even less sense.

          • Anonymous

            If I remember right, the team had to use the prints in 3 out of 5 looks.

          • Anonymous

            The team had to use the print, but it was only required in three of the five looks. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/mary.nease Mary Nease

      I think they praised her taste more than her lack of prints. She realized they were sucky prints and that she wasn’t going to get her teammates to change them without shit tons of drama, so she said fuck it and avoided the prints. The judges were praising her good judgement in that unfortunate situation more than anything else. If the prints were at least decent, they probably would have called her out on not using them.

      • Anonymous

        I think Kimberly was wise to avoid the drama and the awful prints. She saw how the Vortex was sucking up everything in its path, and she got out of the way. Smart woman.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Isabeau-Mochrie/1580631451 Isabeau Mochrie

      I’m glad to see I’m not the only one that wasn’t supportive of Kimberly doing her own thing and basically abdicating as a team member.  Yes, I may have done the same thing as a way of avoiding interaction with Josh.  

      I was surprised how lousy her skirt looked and her outfit looked like it had nothing to do with the collection.  She failed as a team member on a number of levels . . . First, she basically abandoned the team in favor of her own objectives and design . . . Second, she didn’t really contribute by speaking up . . . she just ran for cover.

      • Anonymous

        I actually thought the fit of the skirt was bad enough that she might get stuck in the bottom.  She’s lucky that Josh’s pants were incredibly fugly and that the judges already had Becky on the condemned property list.  

      • Anonymous

        Seeing that the team was shitty, I would’ve done the exact same as Kimberly did.

    • Anonymous

      To be fair, the challenge said the print only had to appear in three of the five looks, so technically she wasn’t ignoring the rules.

    • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

      They were told that at least three of the five designs had to use the team prints.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BEV2WB3MZRJHA4KD5DK4QY6FQQ Dinah

      Well, it’s still a competition.  Her best strategy — because of course she realized the second she was chosen hers was Team Drama and they’d go down in flames, ergo one of them was going home — was to let them all get on about being disjointed and subpar while distancing herself from the fug and fighting as much as possible.  Her skirt was not good, and I didn’t like her look at all this week so it seems this strategy worked in her favor since she wasn’t bottom three.  Usually I like K’s stuff, but this week not at all. I blame the influence of the Vortex. 

    • Guest

      It was offensively hideous, especially that belt *shudder*

  • brett spivey

    can’t wait to see the Drama Vortex hit the Drama Event Horizon and have it all drop into the Drama Black Hole where all such contestants get mushed into some unrecognizable muon mass, far from my tv.

  • Anonymous

    And BTW, if anyone here watches it, Josh reminds me a lot of Seth from Top Chef Just Desserts Season 1—although Seth was much, much worse, bless his heart.

    • Anonymous

      Oh yeah I can see that. They both have given me that uncomfortable want to change the channel on a show I like to watch feeling. But, so far Josh hasn’t made me think he was going to pick up a knife and run at people screaming,
         “I want to make my own ice cream!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

      Yep, watching the beginning of the episode, I was wondering if this would be the episode where the nice men came in to escort Josh off to a happy place.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      Yeah, Seth had a complete and total meltdown, with paranoia, medics and an ambulance, as I recall. I think Josh is somewhere on the same continuum as Seth, but I don’t expect to see him carted away.

      I think Josh is narcissistic and prone to tantrums because he’s been coddled all his life (pure speculation on my part), whereas Seth was flat-out wacko. The end result is the same when they interact with people. They’re disruptive and impossible to deal with.

      • Anonymous

        Seth was actually taken out of the competition, he was such a mess.  Just Desserts had one of the truly whackiest-set of contestants.  I blame it on wildly fluctuating blood-sugar levels.  

        I’m sorry TLo chose not to cover it.  They talked about doing so and then didn’t.  It was gay enough for a gay pastry chef from SF to have won and for there to have been a Team Fabulous–well, I think it was Team Fabulous.

        Seth of the infamous melt-down, though, was supposedly het.    

        • Sheri Zoratti

          I think it was “Team Diva” and they were so obnoxious!

          I’m waiting for Josh to pull something a la Seth’s “The Red Hots were for my mommy!” meltdowns.  I’m sure it’s coming.  

          • Anonymous

            Thank you!  I could not remember their team name.  And I couldn’t remember Seth’s melt-down phrase, how could I not remember “The Red Hots were for my mommy!”  He also had a meltdown over paper something-or-others.

            I don’t think anyone’s quite as insane this season, though Craig’s meltdown over NOT being eliminated shows a decent bit of crazy.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          If I remember correctly, their reasoning is that anyone can judge the merits of a fashion design because it’s visual.  But with Top Chef only the judges really know how something tastes — there wouldn’t have been a lot for them to add:)

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          If I remember correctly, their reasoning is that anyone can judge the merits of a fashion design because it’s visual.  But with Top Chef only the judges really know how something tastes — there wouldn’t have been a lot for them to add:)

    • Anonymous

      Yep. A couple of posts ago, I suggested putting the two of them together. In this episode, I kept waiting to hear Josh say, “But the print was for my Mommy!”

      Seth, by the way, seemed to have serious psychological issues. Josh, on the other hand, seems to be somewhat in control of what he does and uses it to gain more camera time and attention.

  • Anonymous

    We really missed our fairy goddaddies on Thursday morning. You nailed Josh. Too bad you cannot do it literally. Kimberly’s skirt looks like a deflated bran muffin and I’m afraid that the promise of her talent is not living up to the reality of it. Bert certainly acted like the grown-up this week, which is refreshing because there are so few adults on the show. After seeing the final collections, I am pretty ready for the entire season to end. It’s been either unpleasant or ho hum to date and I really could care less who wins. And who wants to waste time watching more Josh…

  • Anonymous

    TLo said: Laura is turning back to her Kewl Kids, Mean Girl persona. Talking dismissively about a teammate’s work behind her back and with a member of the opposing team is just pure shittery, top to bottom.

    Thank you boys for saying that! I thought Laura and Anya had the mean girls thing going in that discussion and need to be called on it.

    But what I dislike the most is that the producers are continuing to enable Josh’s bullying and encourage it further by giving him face/screen time. He should have been gone after that obnoxious first round of bullying several episodes ago. how pathetic is it that at a time when anti-bullying messages are all over the place, the PR production team is facilitating this by allowing this drama vortex to suck energy from the competition. team challenges in the past pre-lifetime PR had drama without this nasty level of meanness (Jeffrey and Angela’s mom as an exception). But, given the level of producer nonsense we’ve seen in recent seasons, I fully expect Josh to be a [gag] finalist, and something is very wrong with that picture!

    srq

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree. If I had time I’d go back and put a stop watch (no pun intended to DSM IV’s theme) to the episode and the time the producer’s gave Josh here. From the reminder of last week’s hissy fit, to his pissing over not winning, to his meltdown with Bert, to Becky’s speculation about Josh’s hidden issues, to the extended phone call with his father, to his apology and Bert’s reaction to his apology, to the shots of him being judged… oy vey!

      He’s PR gold and the producers weekly are turning this into Project Josh and seem to care very little about much else. Seriously, do we remember anything about the designs from week to week? Nope. The lasting impression from this show is a self-absorbed Drama Vortex of questionable talent. And isn’t that what reality TV is already filled with?

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        I resisted “reality” TV for many years because I can’t tolerate manipulation and bad behavior created by artificial situations. Then I found skill competitions, such as PR and Top Chef and was a happy viewer. But now these shows have morphed into scheming melodramas, just like Survivor, et al and I’m not so happy any more.

        IAMSOBZ

        • Anonymous

          Me too. Watching people shop, gossip, fight, fume and “out-scheme” each other is not my idea of entertainment. I tried to get into the spirit of things, but they just felt like glamorized versions of those old confrontational trash talk shows. If I want to see personality disorders on display, I have real life – I get no pleasure from identifying with (or feeling superior to) questionable behavior.

          But I love being able to watch creative activity. Take an idea, build on it, use your hands and wits and make something real, something beautiful. That inspires, teaches, elevates. Being able to witness dedication to craft and technical virtuosity are worth enduring the inevitable interpersonal skirmishes that result from any heated competition. But they’ve gone off the rails here imho. Shortening the deadlines, limiting individual content, focusing almost exclusively on conflict. When they expanded to 90 min I hoped we’d finally see more sketching, more pattern making, more sewing, fitting, ideas. Nope. And now I think they’ll never return to that boring old stuff — you know, designing. Their intention was never more apparent than in this show.

          • Anonymous

            I agree to both of you.  And when you look back at TLo’s” best” retrospectives, never is it more evident.  The looks the designers came up with on previous seasons (pre-Lifetime) are just better.  Now they create drama by always shortening the time the designers have so all the drama and tension seems to be coming from lack of time more than anything else.  I’d like the designers to have more time and the extra show time be devoted to how they sewing, fitting, solving problems.  But, I’m dreaming – this show has become just like any other scripted reality show.  Sigh. 

          • Anonymous

            I absolutely agree that the show has declined tremendously in quality – and there are many things to fault for that, from bad challenges, to nonsensical judging, to short deadlines, to producer-manipulated drama, to casting for characters, and probably several things I’ve neglected to mention. Project Runway was better when it was younger: I personally have a particular fondness for Seasons 1 and 2.

            I disagree, however, that the looks the designers came up with in the Bravo-era seasons were just better. Oh, I like any of the Bravo seasons better than any of the Lifetime seasons, but I think people remember the designs being better because the show was better.

            If you look at the final three collections, for instance, the weakest season so far was S2, and – this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion here – I don’t think S3 had particularly strong final collections, either. Furthermore, talent-wise, I actually think S7 was one of the best in the history of the show. It’s also worth pointing out that people have been complaining about the show’s decline since Season 4 (which was disliked at the time for its lack of drama and personalities).

            That being said, without question, this season has been decidedly lackluster and last season had more than its share of bad or uninteresting designs (though I think there were still a few stand-out designs/designers last season).

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Totally agree!  I really didn’t like Chloe’s winning collection at all in S2, Santino’s work I never liked, and Daniel V — who I loved — didn’t turn out the collection I thought he could have. 

            And while some earlier seasons had amazing designs, there were some ridiculously godawful ones as well! Which I miss actually. I think some of what we’re seeing is designers who are more trained and less likely to attempt the batshit crazy or the beautifully brilliant.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Everybody always blames Lifetime and B/M.  But I remember season 5 not being my favorite either — I thought the manipulation by producers was blatant (which Tim later backed me up on:) and the talent level was very low.  Season 7, on the other hand, had Jay Sario, Mila, and my personal favorite ever, Seth Aaron.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Everybody always blames Lifetime and B/M.  But I remember season 5 not being my favorite either — I thought the manipulation by producers was blatant (which Tim later backed me up on:) and the talent level was very low.  Season 7, on the other hand, had Jay Sario, Mila, and my personal favorite ever, Seth Aaron.

      • Lori

        I think we don’t remember the designs because they’re so unmemorable.  So little design going on this season, it’s awful.

        But I second and third your points about Josh and he’s not just impacting this season, there will be Joshes lined up to audition for B/M for next season and the one after that and the one after that.  Which means this show hasn’t just jumped the shark, it’s stomped it to a bloody death.

      • Anonymous

        You’ve nailed my reaction exactly. This is rapidly becoming Survivor with Scissors instead of a design show. Artificially produced drama and nastiness is not something I care to spend my free time watching, which is why I’ve never watched Survivor. And why I may finally give up on PR if B/M doesn’t get the show back to the designs and not the drama.

        • Anonymous

          “Survivor with Scissors.”  Snort.

    • Anonymous

      “team challenges in the past pre-lifetime PR had drama without this nasty level of meanness…”

      Team challenges in earlier Lifetime PR had drama without this nasty level of meanness. There was nothing like these past two team challenges in Seasons 6 and 7 – not even when Jay and Mila, who hated each other, were paired. Even last season with everyone hating Michael Costello wasn’t this bad.

      • Anonymous

          Even last season with everyone hating Michael Costello wasn’t this bad.

        Indeed.  And let’s not forget that when Mondo and Michael C. were paired up, Mondo stopped hating him.  They worked through whatever their differences were, and carried on.

        • Anonymous

          Very true. Mondo actually changed his opinion of Michael after working with him, whereas all we’ve had this season is pretending to apologize so they can finish in time.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

            I do think we’re seeing a change in Bert as he gets a grip on himself. Bert’s not perfect, but this week I think he did show Josh that “not having it” when it comes to another contestants behavior is better demonstrated by ignoring the tempter tantrum than having a temper tantrum. Josh had to recalculate when he realized that everyone wasn’t going to join him on the “hate Bert” team.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, yes, Bert has definitely made an attempt to get along better with the other designers and I do think he has had a realization about how he can come across, but I think the other designers’ relationships with him are still kind of calculated – notice he was picked last, again – and, for the most part, they haven’t changed the way they view him.

          • Anonymous

            Human nature, sadly. There always has to be a scapegoat. Even Tim is complicit. I was surprised to hear him once say in an interview that you should always invite someone everyone dislikes to your dinner party so you can all bitch about that person afterward. I allowed it because it was Tim and I love him, but it disappointed me. A little bit too “Dangerous Liaisons” for my tastes.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Well, multiple people said that Bert was totally unresponsive to any of their efforts with him.  After Anthony Ryan confronted him with it, I think he realized how much harm he was doing himself for no reason.

          • Anonymous

            Call me cynical, but maybe Bert hasn’t changed.  Maybe the producers have just chosen to give him a better edit.  He could be in the final 3 or the producers just want to make him less of a villain now that Josh has gotten so over the top.  Just a thought….

        • Anonymous

          And some how I think last season’s thing with Michael C was more fabricated by the producers whereas this thing with Drama Vortex is being exploited. 

          It seemed that as the drama unfolded with Michael C I saw a number of accounts how it really wasn’t as extreme as the show was making it out to be. They used him and his sometimes odd wins (foreshadowing of cray cray judging) to escalate the Gretchen drama. Yet there was at the very least, Mondo, who gave us something (design wise) to see. It never felt like the Josh show like this year.

          My guess is the producers realized that they had one and only one star this year, and no solid designers, are exploiting the hell out of it. 

    • Anonymous

      “team challenges in the past pre-lifetime PR had drama without this nasty level of meanness…”

      Team challenges in earlier Lifetime PR had drama without this nasty level of meanness. There was nothing like these past two team challenges in Seasons 6 and 7 – not even when Jay and Mila, who hated each other, were paired. Even last season with everyone hating Michael Costello wasn’t this bad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792414740 Kelly Malizia

      OMG, if Josh is a finalist, it will be an embarrassment to PR after seeing his final collection. Abyssmal.

    • Anonymous

      what I dislike the most is that the producers are continuing to enable
      Josh’s bullying and encourage it further by giving him face/screen time.

      No, they’re not.  What I mean by that is that this behavior all occurred before any of this season aired.  He wouldn’t have known how much or how little screen time he’d get.  So the editing can neither encourage nor discourage a designer’s actions. 

      • Anonymous

        Lilithcat,

        You’re right, of course, but y’know that does make it worse because what it says is that the producers have chosen to edit and showcase Ms. Drama Vortex’ behaviors, which is even more disgusting. It makes a huge statement about where their focus is and very sadly, it is not on fashion and/or design.

        srq

      • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

        I see what you’re saying, but I can’t believe that Josh’s antics aren’t calculated. Even though he has no way to know how much actual screen-time he’ll have, I’m sure he realizes that his distinct look, combined with his story of grief and his tendency to be at the center of every episode’s major confrontation would give him an edge on screen-time over a designer who was far more subdued. 

        With that said, I *do* think the post-editing can influence a designer’s actions, because if they get cast on this show with the expectation that the more combustible personalities tend to get the most face time and notoriety, they may make a conscious decision to milk their time for all its worth and start playing a character. 

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        True, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that they had been encouraging him directly during filming.  If you know anything about manipulating people, it’d be very easy to escalate Josh’s tantrums.  They pull them into those diary bits whenever they want — all you have to do is ask questions or make statements designed  to get him thinking about whatever’s already bugging him.  I have a tendency to overreact as well, and it doesn’t take much to get people like that stewing on something until they blow.

    • Anonymous

      We’ve seen this level of producer nonsense since Wendy, it’s just that Jay and Kara Saun were fabulous enough to offset Wendy. We’re not getting enough offset any more. I re-watched Season 1 recently and they had neat challenges which I don’t feel we get any more.

  • Anonymous

    Total agreement in almost all things.  I am seriously considering dropping this season because a) we’re halfway through and I truly don’t care who wins, and b) Josh is unwatchable.  (Of course the “mother drama” is manufactured.  What adult human hasn’t had to deal with grief on a similar scale?  Get over thyself.)  Some drama is entertaining, even with a side of histrionics.  He is not entertaining; he is one of those people who I want nothing to do with in real life, so why would I deliberately watch his every move on TV?    

    Bert has at least recalibrated a bit and seems to realize how he comes off.  Doesn’t change the fact that he was a prick for half the season, but at least he seems genuinely recalcitrant.  He doesn’t make me want to shut off the tube.

    None of the designs were really worth talking about.  Though I have to admit to a soft spot for Kimberley.  She smelled the crazy in all directions, kept her head down and constructed something without those ridiculous prints.  OK, it wasn’t a great garment, but she performed about as well as someone in that situation could be expected to, I think.  Cheddar biscuits for everyone!

  • Anonymous

    Total agreement in almost all things.  I am seriously considering dropping this season because a) we’re halfway through and I truly don’t care who wins, and b) Josh is unwatchable.  (Of course the “mother drama” is manufactured.  What adult human hasn’t had to deal with grief on a similar scale?  Get over thyself.)  Some drama is entertaining, even with a side of histrionics.  He is not entertaining; he is one of those people who I want nothing to do with in real life, so why would I deliberately watch his every move on TV?    

    Bert has at least recalibrated a bit and seems to realize how he comes off.  Doesn’t change the fact that he was a prick for half the season, but at least he seems genuinely recalcitrant.  He doesn’t make me want to shut off the tube.

    None of the designs were really worth talking about.  Though I have to admit to a soft spot for Kimberley.  She smelled the crazy in all directions, kept her head down and constructed something without those ridiculous prints.  OK, it wasn’t a great garment, but she performed about as well as someone in that situation could be expected to, I think.  Cheddar biscuits for everyone!

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      I agree re: thinking about dropping the season. Nobody has much talent to note, Josh is indeed unwatchable and having looked at the final designs from yesterday, I’m even less interested…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bonnie-Mulligan/1801443025 Bonnie Mulligan

        I haven’t yet looked at all of the final collections, but there truly isn’t anybody this season who really has caught my interest, and with the Drama Vortex going full throttle, it’s getting ugly. 
        Scottyf, at least your man Bert is getting a grip on himself…

  • Anonymous

    I’m so over this damn show and the comment about Josh using his mothers death combined with carefully calculated drama is spot on – unfortunately, I think we’re stuck with him until the final 3.  Maybe the PR producers will pull their almost standard “..vell, ve can’t shooze so ve zend all 4 of youz off to come up wiz zomezink zen ve decide”  And hope we get a shitload of great drama from you Josh before we zend you off…

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said: so we’re just gonna come out and say what we feel to be true: all this “My mother is dead” stuff is pure calculation on his part.”

    That is exactly what I was thinking. Call me cynical, but it is too obvious. He’s a fame whore who came with a bullshit character and self-created backstory calculated to achieve maximum camera time (and allow producers to package some boo hoo moments with his tale of woe – to cover over his natural, selfish assholery), just like Angry Little Peanut before him. From what I’ve heard, Jeffrey’s backstory, of the neglectful father, was all bull. And we all know how much he really cared about that babymama he trotted out. My guess is Josh’s tales are just as tall. Jeffrey, at least, did have SOME talent underneath, but Josh has none that we’ve seen.

    As for Becky, I’m not sure she’s passive/aggressive as much as she’s the one who grew up in that Christian cult – which means having people tell her what to do might just be bred into her (that’s why people are into that heavy religion, they don’t want to have to make any decisions for themselves), and she’ll need A LOT of work to get it out. That kind of personality is more suited to work for someone else, rather than having any kind of independent or creative career.

    –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

       Call me cynical, but it is too obvious.

      No kidding.  Like when he got all teary over her, but made sure that he dabbed his eyes ever so carefully, lest his mascara run.

      • Anonymous

        His mom’s death will be his go-to when he wants sympathy for years to come. My sister is a vortex ( I have used that word to describe her for years) and our father died 40 years ago and she STILL uses it to get sympathy. We have five sibs and we all have to remind her that our dad died too. 

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree with you about Becky.  The fact that it’s even described as a cult puts it beyond being very religious or Christian and into the realm of actual brainwashing.  When placed in a situation with someone like Josh, who demands obedience and reverential submission to his divine image of himself, it’s no wonder she folded. It’s probably ingrained in her.  I hope she gets some continuing therapy to help her find her own voice and the strength to work with difficult people. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      The thing is, had he had this Mommy meltdown a couple episodes ago, it might have worked. But he waited too long to get any sympathy.

  • jeneria

    Laura should be put on notice.  You can’t be the enabler to the Drama Vortex and then not use the fabric that he designs.  She’s a middling designer with bland ideas and she’s mean to boot.

  • Anonymous

    Josh sucks all the oxygen out of the room. I’d rather watch Dance Moms  than him doing his grotesque Fay Dunaway Mommie Dearest  parody for the camera. He can’t be auf’d soon enough for me.

  • Toto Maya

    I have to say I was proud of how Bert handled Josh and am glad to see him acting more mature and less like an asshole. I really hope he realized how he was acting and is going to do better.

    I knew that Becky would be gone because there is no way they are kicking off Josh right now. In fact, unless he REALLY screws up and just sends out crap piece after crap piece, I can see him in the final 3 because the producers think he’s entertaining. That makes me sad, but that’s how it is. Josh has issues and any good will I had towards him is officially gone. I should have suck with my initial gut feeling that he was creepy and gross and an asshole.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Bert deserved an award for his restraint, his willingness to let things go. He has enormous innate dignity and I don’t think that’s just age – it’s accomplishment. Yeah he’d been sour and resentful before, almost as if he couldn’t believe quite what he’s gotten himself into. I think he just decided to let it wash over him, and stick to clothes. Always the best game plan. 

      I actually admired Becky too. She held up very well, and didn’t lose it when she got scapegoated time after time. I don’t think she had the courage of her convictions, or was too intimidated, or maybe misread going along for being a team player. But she was not the frightened mess some are making her out to be. I didn’t get a strong creative vision from her, but I’ll take quiet workmanship over histrionics any day of the week. I dug the articulated sleeves, too.

  • Anonymous

    I kept looking at Drama Vortex’s own shirt and saying “He placed the boobs on it too high” As for him, so over. He seriously needs a reality check and I think if Becky could have defended her design better, he would have gone home.

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said: Laura is turning back to her Kewl Kids, Mean Girl persona. Talking dismissively about a teammate’s work behind her back and with a member of the opposing team is just pure shittery, top to bottom.”

    Yes, it’s Heathers vs. Boogers all over again.

    –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      Seriously, watch that Laura, I sense deep seeded snake in the grass coming…..

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Yep. I sense it in Laura much more than in Anya. (I’m neutral on Anya.)

        • Anonymous

          I get the distinct impression Anya goes whichever way the wind blows, and people like her are possibly even more dangerous. I was neutral about her, too, until this episode; at this point, I’m not buying her line about not knowing how to sew and wondering just how calculating she really has been.

        • Anonymous

          I get the distinct impression Anya goes whichever way the wind blows, and people like her are possibly even more dangerous. I was neutral about her, too, until this episode; at this point, I’m not buying her line about not knowing how to sew and wondering just how calculating she really has been.

        • Anonymous

          I get the distinct impression Anya goes whichever way the wind blows, and people like her are possibly even more dangerous. I was neutral about her, too, until this episode; at this point, I’m not buying her line about not knowing how to sew and wondering just how calculating she really has been.

          • Anonymous

            Yep.  I think Anya’s a very shrewd competitor.  The can’t-sew line is really useful because her competitors see her as less of a threat than she is.  She stays in everyone’s good graces and then uses them to her advantage.  She does have a good eye, though.

            I don’t hate Laura though.  The team challenges are one or two-day things.  So, yeah, Laura shouldn’t have talked to Anya about Becky, but the team thing was transitory and Backy and Laura were never buds.  

        • Anonymous

          I get the distinct impression Anya goes whichever way the wind blows, and people like her are possibly even more dangerous. I was neutral about her, too, until this episode; at this point, I’m not buying her line about not knowing how to sew and wondering just how calculating she really has been.

        • Lisa

          Same here.  I almost thought Laura was nice for a while, but that was just shitty.  And it was typical of “two Barbies smack talking the chubby girl behind her back” behavior.  It’s locker room stuff.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe it will slither up her ass. LOL

    • Anonymous

      GT – thanks for that call back!

  • Anonymous

    I did feel some sympathy for Josh initially

    • Anonymous

      That “Village People” suggestion was hysterical in it’s sheer absurdity.  Bert, as possibly the only one in the room who actually danced shirtless in a club to the VP the 1st time around, should have just given him a look of withering scorn.  Oh wait, I think he did….

      • Anonymous

        “Stop saying Fireman!” 

      • Anonymous

        I love thinking of Bert dancing shirtless in a club to the Village People. It makes me really, really happy.

        • scottyf

          Welcome to my nightly dreams.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792414740 Kelly Malizia

        This goes along with my theory that Josh never took the time to develop a personality. He was naturally flamboyant and just thought, “Okay, I will just go with the screamin’ queen thing. That works!” When his first inspiration example was the VP, I thought, “of course.” He seems like a person doing an impression of someone.

      • Lisa

        Right!  He has the nerve to bitch about Becky’s design when he was the one who came up with *The Village Freaking People*!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      I agree with you about everything you said.

      But wanted to comment about the cussing. Where does he get off getting so high and mighty about cussing? Maybe if he commented about it several times asking Bert to stop and he still did it, but this was just a total moment of prissy attitude.

      We can do without the pearl clutching Josh.

      • Anonymous

        Not only that, but Josh is throwing stones at the glass house he lives in. 

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

          Actually now that I think about it, maybe swears killed his mother…

          Or she had a mouth like a sailor and it makes him miss her even more.

  • Isabella Tan

    This season has been extremely underwhelming and I’m starting to get really sick of this group of designers. Although, I must say I’m looking forward to the reunion episode just to see Josh’s reaction when he sees his crazy hissy fits on television in front of everyone, including the judges.

    • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

      That kind of crazy doesn’t recognize it as such and will probably be proud of it, thinking it is admirable and justified.

    • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

      That kind of crazy doesn’t recognize it as such and will probably be proud of it, thinking it is admirable and justified.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

        Or give him more of a soapbox to talk about his mother

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said: The crazy is coming from inside the house.””

    Yeah, and not for nothing, but just like with Derek from A-List, it’s pretty amusing watching someone stand there being so full of himself while looking like he’s wearing a merkin on his head.

    Or, at least, it would be if I didn’t just LOATHE bullies.

    –GothamTomato

    • muzan-e

      Oh, the merkin.  I didn’t even realise at first, but this week? Every bow of the head was a horrifying new revelation.

      Is this the observation of a petty bitch? Perhaps. *g*  But I really can’t stand bullies either. 

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I know, right! Explained a lot, actually. He’s pissed because he left his Ron Popeil spray hair at home.

    • muzan-e

      Oh, the merkin.  I didn’t even realise at first, but this week? Every bow of the head was a horrifying new revelation.

      Is this the observation of a petty bitch? Perhaps. *g*  But I really can’t stand bullies either. 

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t Becky change the skirt fabric not to please her teammates but to please Tim who was highly critical of the numbers fabric she used first – that Laura created?  I thought that one looked better than the final product.  I acknowledge that Becky’s design was very simple but frankly, Kimberly’s was flat out ugly.  The only decent part of her outfit was the top and that had as little “design” to it as Becky’s. 

    • Anonymous

      I think so.  I think it was also because she heard Laura complaining to Anya and then later when Laura said it looked like something a math teacher would wear.  I didn’t care for the deflated muffin look either.

      • Anonymous

        And why did Laura think that?  Has she only seen numbers in a math class?  What about at the cash register?

        • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

          Maybe she thinks all teachers dress like Ms. Frizzle.

          • Anonymous

            Oh my –  I actually had to look up Ms. Frizzle — that either means 1) you have kids/nieces/nephews/grandchildren/teach and/or 2) I am really old — to verify — note that I remember the first episode of Sesame Street.

      • Alina Badus

        I’m a math teacher and I was very, very offended by those comments. I mean, really – is “cancelled” better than numbers? 

        • http://twitter.com/meg_a_wo_man Megs

          Same here! As a math major who stills has a very big soft spot in her heart for math mathematical humor and all things related to Pi, I was angry to hear Laura say “math major” as if it labeled a person as homely.  Just because I like numbers does not mean I am fashion-illiterate. (And to be honest, I would wear a skirt made up of numbers, so long as it was flattering!)

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Yeah, I’m not a math major, but I am an accounting major.  Just because I have marketable skills does not somehow make me horribly disfigured — my guess is Miss Laura may not have done very well in school and resented the hell out of the girls who did.  I know I had a couple girls in high school that were pissed at me for years because I was smarter than they were.  (Not ego, pure fact) 

    • Anonymous

      I agree, that skirt was just AWFUL!  How many times before have we listened to the Great Pumpkin screech in horror about “No woman in America wants her butt to look bigger!”  Probably as many as “Thank God!  SEPERATES!  This is how women dress!”  I really thought Kims was the worst for proportions alone but I do really like her a lot.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I gotta agree with that too. How many times have they ripped someone apart for making a skirt with puffed out hips like that. The fabric was awful too. I think Kimberly got lucky that Josh and Becky were just as bad, if not worse in the judges eyes.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I gotta agree with that too. How many times have they ripped someone apart for making a skirt with puffed out hips like that. The fabric was awful too. I think Kimberly got lucky that Josh and Becky were just as bad, if not worse in the judges eyes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792414740 Kelly Malizia

      Let’s discuss the elephant in the room. No overweight woman will ever succeed on PR and that’s the end of the story. Becky’s was okay enough to get by, but the reason she can’t just get by on PR is because the fashion industry hates a plus size woman. It is too ingrained in them to even know they’re doing it. Sure, Chris March is fine. But an average looking plus size woman? Get rid of her immediately!

      • Anonymous

        Don’t they throw in one ‘oldie’ and one ‘fattie’ (if Becky can be put into that category) about every season? Has any of them ever won? (And don’t say Jay McCarroll. Some magazine did a feature on his own weight loss). I’d guess that Seth Aaron or Jeffrey S are the oldest to win, and yet they are men/heterosexual/early 40s.

        Hmmm… a zaftig woman seasoned to perfection? Never gonna happen.

        • Anonymous

          Korto came darn close to winning.

      • Anonymous

        I thought the same thing.  I don’t think Josh would have chosen her as a target if she were a thin little blonde with blue hair.  He decided that the “chubby chick” had no style but all the thin girls are Fabulous!  I wonder if he’d think Anya was the shit if she were about 30 lbs heavier.

        • Lisa

          BINGO!

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I keep wondering where the Sassy, Fabulous BBWs are?? Someone who can shut Josh up with a side eye and a “girrrrrrlllll”. And then have talent to spare. We haven’t had that stereotype yet, have we? It’s not too much to ask, is it?

        • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

          The only person I can think of that would vaguely fit that description would be Korto. 

      • Anonymous

        Didn’t Korto come in second to Leanne in season 5? Sure, she didn’t win, but she also wasn’t cut immediately. And while not plus-sized, she certainly was curvy.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          She was as plus-sized as Becky.  Which is to say, not at all — they’re both probably in 14′s or so. 

      • pacconci

        How about Fern Malis (sp)?

  • Anonymous

      As a therapist, bravo to T Lo for citing the DSM for this bunch.  I bow to your amazingness.

    • Anonymous

      Everyone loves a clinical psychology joke.

    • Anonymous

      I had to explain DSM IV to my hubby, but I loved the reference!

  • Anonymous

    I love Kim. She minds her business and does not stoop to the usual pettiness and is not playing a game. I’m crossing my fingers for her as a finalist and winner.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1248212910 Jessie Melcher Brown

    And the reason Josh went off on Bert?  Bert mumbled a swear under his breath, at the printer, because he couldn’t get it to work.  What next, is Josh going to personally defend the fabric when people cut into it?  Get real.  Josh was just looking for anything to blow up at and everyone on his team saw him for the loose cannon he was.

    • Anonymous

      The thing I couldn’t believe was that Josh did that right after being bleeped for something he said!  Maybe that was just editing, but I found it to be too much.  I actually laughed out loud.  I was really hoping he’d get sent home.

      Also, his mom died two years ago, but he seemed to have fooled some people (was it Laura?) into thinking it was very recent.  But it was just an anniversary.  Drama Vortex, indeed.

      Becky may have deserved the auf but she did not deserve to be treated that way.   Criticizing her for not standing up for herself is perilously close to blaming the victim.  She should not be blamed for the bad behavior of others.

    • Anonymous

      The best bit, to my mind, was that Bert didn’t even actually curse. He said “frigging.” And it was just an aside – a “well, so much for THAT work that I just wasted time on,” rather than even a passive-aggressive jab at his team. At least that’s how I read it.

    • Anonymous

      I think this in part was Josh’s effort to establish himself as top dog in the group.  “I will not have it, Bert”…. He wants to be perceived as the most important person in any group.   As others have mentioned, it’s one aspect of being a bully.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t forge,t he asked Tim Gunn if he was the leader after Tim just got finished saying there are NO leaders in this challenge. He still assumed all his team mates looked to him as being in charge.

  • Anonymous

    I like Bert’s dress, and hey the hemline is current, right? 

    The others are AWFUL. 

    • Anonymous

      Yep, I actually kind of liked the length on it, it gave it a slinky quality.  Less junior.

      I don’t blame Bert for “frigging” about the print.  What we saw of his looked kind of cute and it was in COLOR.  If it had printed, it might have made a real difference for the team.  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

        He could have printed the next best thing in patterns and Laura and Josh still would have shut it down. They already had made up their mind as to who’s ideas to use, their own.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Why didn’t they just come over to his screen and check it out? They could have redone it on a different machine if they liked it. But nobody even cared. Such horrible energy from the start.

    • Anonymous

      I liked the length, too, and agree with Glammie that it is “less junior.”

      • Anonymous

        I might have made Bert’s just a skosh shorter, but not much. However, I’d have gone for a pair of classic pumps, as the booties—to my eyes—left what was visible of her legs looking like chopped-off pegs.

  • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

    I liked Bert’s dress. I thought he did a great job of meeting the challenge while offering an interesting design. Wasn’t that Becky’s print? It would have been nice if someone on his TEAM had helped him print out his own fabric design so that they would have had more options, wouldn’t it?
    It did seem that as soon as Josh got on a team, that team was doomed. I wonder what would have happened if Josh had been on Anthony’s team?

    • Anonymous

      Yes, would have been nice if someone had helped him get it printed. 

      • Anonymous

        Didn’t anybody but me think that it not printing was producer manipulation?  As in, “oh, let’s see what happens if whiny Bert can’t get his fabric.”  What he did was suck it up, take a difficult fabric, and make it work by nipping and tucking invisibly– he didn’t follow Tim’s suggestion to make it a princess seam, but pinched it here and there magically to make it fit.  

        Although I have to say what I saw of his hand-drawn alarm clock fabric did not look good to me, so maybe he lucked out that it didn’t print.  

        • Anonymous

          It does seem weird that in the HP challenge, the HP equipment wasn’t working – not exactly the best product placement.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      I know, I’m only 25 and have terrible luck with printers. How hard would it have been to just look over what was happening and point out where he was going wrong?
      They do know by now that if their team fails it’s everyone’s butt on the chopping block, right?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      I know, I’m only 25 and have terrible luck with printers. How hard would it have been to just look over what was happening and point out where he was going wrong?
      They do know by now that if their team fails it’s everyone’s butt on the chopping block, right?

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      Josh wouldn’t have been on Anthony’s team. Do you really think all of the designers’ names were on buttons? And Heidi really truly pulled one out randomly?

  • Anonymous

    Down the list:
    I really have nothing to say about Josh. As for what he made, it did have a design to it, but it was a bit literal for the clock theme, and it looks poorly made.

    I’ve never been that fond of Becky’s work, but every time there’s been team challenge, with Becky, I keep thinking about how she said she was raised in a Fundamentalist cult, because I always wonder if that’s what’s we’re seeing about her personality – with her passiveness and refusal to stand up for herself. On the other hand, it is always a little bit maddening how she won’t – both this challenge and the last team challenge, I just kept thinking, “Defend yourself, dammit.”

    Again this week you are a little more kind about Laura’s than I am. I don’t hate it, but I don’t think the minimal use of the print was wise – she shouldn’t have used it at all. As the judges said, the belt didn’t have to be ugly.

    I agree about Bert. He can be difficult, and sometimes a little immature, but he’s well-meaning and he genuinely does try to get along, however hard he sometimes finds that (and it must be said, often for reasons that are not on him) – especially after all the drama of the last team challenge, he seems to have really made an effort. Besides, his was easily the best thing produced by that team, even with its hem and print problems.

    As for Kimberly, I don’t know (I have to say, there has been something about her all season that I am just not sure about). She was smart enough to stay out of the drama and to avoid the prints, but her look was not good – especially the skirt fabric, which was hideous. Furthermore, I got a little bit of a sense of her selling Becky out because she just didn’t like her.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      It looked to me as though no one liked Becky. I didn’t see anyone jumping up to hug her after she was eliminated (although granted, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The editing monkeys could have been doing their magic again). I’m wondering if, as some others have suggested, it was Michael C. all over again – a few designers decided Michael C. didn’t deserve to be there, and everyone went along with them. It just seemed really weird to me that no one gave a damn that she was leaving.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you so much for posting for us even in sleep-deprived condition.  Y’all are the best!

    Also thanks for pegging Josh.  What an inconsequential designer for such a big energy sucking ego.  I’m going to have to incorporate “Drama Vortex” into my daily lexicon. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

    Josh’s jacket is ridiculous and ugly and those pants are too.  Agree re: Becky. HATED the jumpsuit with the belt. Really bad. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Shields/1200782178 Michelle Shields

    hated it all! it looks like Kimber’s model has a smiling crotch.

  • BuffaloBarbara

    Thank you for pointing out that by talking about The Vortex, you just encourage the producers to keep up with this sort of nonsense.

    Much as I liked Becky, I agree that this was the right decision by the judges.  She wasn’t being passive aggressive, in the sense of trying to get something by being falsely passive–she was just being passive and letting people walk over her.  She should have just made the skirt once, then used all that time saved to make the top and jacket fabulous, no matter what her teammates thought.  I don’t think I personally would have thrown her out over the one who cost his team the most, but I also have no quibble with the judges’ call there, based on the individual design.

    I can’t hold the lunch conversation too much against Laura.  There are plenty of things I can hold against her, and do–chief of which is her decision to enable Vortex rather than kicking him out of the workroom until he got his shit together; honestly, woman, that’s not good for you or anyone else–but that seemed like fairly normal talk between two people involved in the same pressured competition–not much different from what we see back in the apartments–with some PA throwing Becky in to “overhear.”   Her garment was okay, at best.  Safe seemed about right.

    Bert’s also worked his way back into my good graces.  A couple of weeks ago, I think he’d have lowered himself to the fight, but he seems to have gotten the idea through his head just how stupid that looks on camera.  His dress was okay.  It would have looked better above the knee.

    Kim’s was horrible, and she was lucky that both Josh and Becky had even worse showings.  That’s the most unflattering skirt I’ve seen for a long time.

    Vortex… vortexed.  Whatevs.

    • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

      You could hear the team asking “What happened to the skirt?” on Kim’s outfit. Seems it must have been longer and less poufy at some point.

  • Anonymous

    Who suggested clocks as a theme?  It seemed as though almost everyone hated it…but they were still doing it. Odd.  Laura needs to go back to her fancy house and money and learn some manners.  She and Josh would make a great team together.  Imagine the implosion  there.

    Kimberely’s skirt looks like it was made out of chainmail to me.  Again…odd.  Really I only cared for Bert’s and that is because I could wack off 6 inches, and it would be decent.  The rest of them…I don’t think there was any fixing.

    • Anonymous

      Now had they used clock images reminiscent of those in “The Persistence of Memory”  they might have had something.

      • Anonymous

        Oooh, yes!

    • Anonymous

       Not sure about this:
      “She and Josh would make a great team together.”

      WIthout someone else to abuse, I am not certain that he could resist throwing her under a few busses

      • Anonymous

        Oh, I think Laura would definitely take the upper hand in that fight. His gal-pal would turn on him in a heartbeat if she felt the need to. Laura is a player—maybe even more so than Anya.

      • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

        Considering how she and Anthony Ryan seemed like they were cowering in Bert’s presence on the runway in the last team challenge, I’d expect her to possibly get steamrolled by Josh as well.

    • Anonymous

      In the extended judging video, all three women admit to being unhappy with the prints, and Kors hooks right into that. Bert comes off neutral, and only Josh is really enamored with the prints. To my mind, that tells me the combination of print design and garment design should have been enough to send Josh home instead of Becky.

      I was also pissed at Kors’ choice of phrase. He avoided acknowledging the quality of Becky’s jacket by prefacing his critique of the skirt and top with the words: “Once I get past the jacket.” Past the jacket? No way. The jacket was good and interesting and not to be “got past.”

  • Anonymous

    After reading the TOunge comments, all I did was fast-forward on my DVR to the runway show, but as the images sped past, I wasn’t surprised to see Josh’s orange face zooming around my screen 3/4 of the time.  I’m glad I skipped the drama vortex.  As a therapist, I had to deal with the cliff-scaling climb of trying to treat personality disorders to not want to see it on my tv screen as “entertainment”.  Blech.  As far as the garments go, there is nothing here that truly says fashion.  And who chose the accompanying fabrics from Mood?  The color scheme and mixed textures are a complete failure.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      I think that it was Bert, Becky, and Kimberly that went to Mood to pick out the fabrics. It was then that Barbie and Josh made the video that went with the fashion “show”.

  • Anonymous

    I stopped watching last season about halfway through because the drama got too much for me, and I think that time has come  again.
    If there was going to be some sort of catharsis, I might hang on, but with Becky gone I don’t see how they can manage any satisfying payback for the villain.

    Josh is also not a strong enough designer to have the tension between the nasty personality and the work be interesting.

    I think I’ll just look at the pictures and read TLo’s comments for the rest of the season.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t really defend Becky’s look because I don’t much like it, but I do think her jacket had SOME interest to it, design-wise – she did something odd/weird/interesting (?) with the sleeves. There’s a cutout at the elbow or something, which we barely got a glimpse of. And it seemed reasonably well-made, whereas Josh’s jacket – which did have a glimmer of interesting idea about it – looked like it was poorly glued together. I think he was going for some kind of effect, but to me it just looked unfinished.

    • Anonymous

      I did think her jacket was well constructed, I agree with you there.  Josh’s just looked like it was made from not a very tailorable  (not really a word) fabric.  It didn’t look like it could stand up very well.

  • http://twitter.com/RobertSanchez36 Robert Sanchez

    Great write-up, guys! Even more so when realizing it’s on three hours of sleep.

    I know the pain of losing both parents, and it can spin you off into a whirlwind of fuzzy thinking and depression. But I felt from the very beginning, as soon as Josh mentioned his dead mother, that he was going to be playing her for all she was worth. I guess I should be lucky I missed the episode myself (similar reason, a gallery showing for some artist friends), but of course, now I kind of want to catch a repeat so I can experience all the cray-cray.

    As for the clothes: This doesn’t even look like a collection of any sort. I don’t think any of the looks are particularly creative or interesting, or even attractive. The jumpsuit is the only one that’s kind of cute.

    • Anonymous

      You can find the episode on the Lifetime website. That’s how I watch it. 

  • Anonymous

    Becky said clocks – they got on board with that idea – it morphed into busy girl with the dim witted video and Josh’s fug pattern. How do you call yourself a designer, have the entire pixelated palette at your fingertips and come up with dumb ass graffiti and hand written ZERO design numbers? Sprouse’s graffiti was awesome because it was pre-digital and pulled street art onto a textiles in a widely approachable manner.

  • Anonymous

    It has occurred to me that last week’s challenge had Josh come in second just to set up the drama in this week’s challenge.  His ridiculous painted woody  skirt with his mother’s initials did not merit the praise it got and was a pure producer manipulation. The teams this week were almost destined to shake out as they did with Victor and Josh with 1st picks. And Bert is always the last pick. It’s like  Designer Tic Tac Toe –the first move almost always determines the end  result. Maybe it’s too cynical of me, but it shakes my faith in any  honest judging.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe the producers knew his mother’s birthday was coming and likely to ramp up his drama to even higher degrees so pushed for his Mom initials skirt to be ranked much higher than it should have been? It’s a crazy enough theory that I almost believe it. You’re makin’ me think Joancarol…

  • Anonymous

    Said it before, and will mew it again:  This episode made my kitten tummy hurt.  I’m not drama immune.  I watch reality TV for it, but lately, this show has been all too mean girls.  I hope the producers pull back from this low form of drama next season…. it’s yucky.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      Yeah, there’s drama – Kara Saun trying to pull a fast one with the shoes, Keith being caught with design books, or innumerable designers having to redo their designs at the last minute – and then there’s Josh. There was a way to show us his behavior without it taking up literally half the damn episode (someone here mentioned it was all Josh for the first 45 minutes of the episode). I still think the producers pushed him into that breakdown just so they’d have something tawdry to show us, because his freak-out at Bert wasn’t enough. Why have plain old drama when you can have melodrama?

      Sorry your kitten tummy hurts. I feel your pain.

  • Anonymous

    Said it before, and will mew it again:  This episode made my kitten tummy hurt.  I’m not drama immune.  I watch reality TV for it, but lately, this show has been all too mean girls.  I hope the producers pull back from this low form of drama next season…. it’s yucky.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1477098324 Dave Fellner

    I have really enjoyed this show since the beginning, followed you blog from the start, tell people this is the only reality show that I really watch, and sadly, Josh (and a couple of the others) have put me off PR.  I watched maybe about 15 mins of the show Thursday, not sure if I will watch the rest of the season.  It is Real World/Road Rules without the alcohol.  I remember back when the show Laura and ALP and the others, I thought they could expand it to 90 mins and have a lot of interesting show.  Now that they have…blerg.  This iteration of the show is just crap.  Oh, and I liked Bert’s dress :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      The 90 minute format is terrible. I keep glancing at the clock during the show and still can’t believe how slow time is moving. Usually by the last half hour I’m so disinterested I find something else to do, but leave the TV on in the background.

      • Anonymous

         I am more the opposite – I have been getting distracted during the early parts and really pay the most attention during the runway (which goes way too fast)

  • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

    “Get out. Now. The crazy is coming from inside the house.”I love you guys!

    New term to put in use: Drama Vortex!  LOVE!

  • Anonymous

    “Get mad at him [Josh] if you want to, but know that you’re giving both him and the producers of this show exactly what they want.” Well, I don’t think so, because I’m now leaving PR and will confine my participation in the show to reading the TLo recaps.  So I can enjoy commentary like that above and the brilliance of “DSM IV.”  I can scoff and laugh from a safe distance now, without subjecting myself to the narcissistic fury of Josh or the craven bad taste and greed that typifies BM.

    Stick a fork in me, and you know the rest!

  • Anonymous

    Had to Google your title, boys. Still holding my sides. ;-)

    • Anonymous

      Good news is, pretty soon they can use the soon-to-be released DSM V….which I hope is amended to include Drama Vortex.

    • Lisa

      Toss one of your slow kittens a bone – I still can’t figure out what it means, even Goggling it!

      • Anonymous

        It’s the title of the current version of the standard diagnostic manual for mental health issues.

        • Lisa

          Ohhhhh!  Yep, that would be appropriate!  Thanks for the explanation.

          • Anonymous

            DSM = Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.  Now up to the riveting 4th edition.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            “Riveting 4th edition”

            Ha! I wonder if the 5th edition will have a photo of Josh under “narcissism”, with the subtitle “bullying asshole”

  • muzan-e

    ” Laura is turning back to her Kewl Kids, Mean Girl persona. Talking dismissively about a teammate’s work behind her back and with a member of the opposing team is just pure shittery, top to bottom.”

    There’s more to it than that, though.  Laughing at a friend’s work with her enemy is standard Mean Girl stuff, happening right now in school cafeterias nation-wide.  But Laura elevated it to its natural peak, this week:

    Oh, hi. Your rival here? Yeah, we were laughing about your work just now, being as how it’s pretty shit and everyone hates it. Oh, don’t get upset though, it’s not a big deal. Just thought I’d mention it. So you’d know your stuff’s shit. Because it is. We all agree.

    Haveanicelunch!

    She didn’t go all the way, mind – by suggesting that Becky doesn’t know the skirt is universally despised because everyone else is too nice to tell her so. But twelve years in all-girl schools have taught me to recognise some well-cultivated Mean when I see it. What she did to Becky this week was startlingly harsh.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed. I had given Laura a bit of a pass until this episode. I was impressed at how Anya handled it though. At least from my eyes, it looked like she didn’t engage in the beat-down of Beckie and withdrew with dignity when Beckie arrived on the scene. Surprisingly well handled.

      • Sea Elle

        she left when Becky mentioned Josh. I don’t think she had any problem engaging in the mean girl behavior. She just didn’t want to be around when Josh was mentioned. 

    • Anonymous

      I like your Bitter Kitten playgrounds :)

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      I’m surprised she didn’t try to convince Becky that calling her work “shit” wasn’t an insult, but was, in fact, a good thing in the context of fashion.

  • Anonymous

    The length of Bert’s dress paired with those boots is killing me. Awful, awful.

    • Sara__B

      Yes, those booties were completely wrong for the length of the dress. Would killer heels have helped make that awkward length more chic?

      • Anonymous

        I really think it they would have. It’s not the length itself that was so awful, it was the shoe choice. It’s a hard hemline to make work, but its possible.

    • Anonymous

      Josh told Bert that the length was great

      • Anonymous

        I noticed that too and wondered whether Josh was trying to keep Bert from rethinking the hemline so he [Bert] might wind up auf‘d for it.

  • http://twitter.com/NostalgiaOD NostalgiaOD

    I disagree.  Both Becky and Josh made pretty decent jackets with crap underneath.  However, Josh designed the fabric they both used and came up with the concept and shot the video which the judges also hated.  So, in my opinion Josh was more responsible for the team’s failure than Becky’s and he should have gone home.

    Also, if they ALL hated the fabrics that much, than WHY did they chose those ones to print?  It boggles the mind.

  • Kacper Nedza

    I think Laura was a hag about Becky, yeah, but I still think she seems fairly decent overall and I can see how Becky could have been a frustrating teammate. I do think that indulging Clinique Counter was a good move for the team – I know enabling and coddling the revolting soulless bag of bones that is Josh isn’t the best move humanity-wise, I do think her recognizing that he needs his ego fueled to get anything done and doing just that saved the team for being a lot more disastrous than it already was.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QVNXE5PQQVTSQHG77WZA3VRL5Q Alli Lon

      I don’t think that she was just “recognizing that he needs his ego fueled to get anything done”. I really believe that she thought the blow up was not his fault. When the judges asked her who she would eliminate she said Bert because he was talking “under the rug”. Which I took to mean that Bert should be eliminated because he was muttering and set Josh off. I really felt her behaviour was bad because she enabled him, bad talked Becky with someone from another team and then tried to throw Bert under the bus when she and Josh were responsible for the terrible video, Bert did not have the worst thing on the runway and she made a crappy print. 

  • mrspeel2

    You know what really scares me about this cycle and Josh in particular? Remember how we disliked Gretchen and hoped she wouldn’t win last time but she did anyway? Well, since we all seem to dislike Josh even more than her, I have a deep fear that he will ultimately win this time!

    My fear could be attributed to the “once bitten, twice shy” meme but it’s actually lack of faith in the producers’ collective judgement and the judges who seem to be jumping thru hoops to please them rather then standing by their own opinions. Because the producers chose to spice up the program with drama (not unlike “The Real Housewives of Everywhere”) they are on the path to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory when they should have just let the program be what it was in the beginning, a design competition.

    I also suspect that these designers are far from being as talented as in previous years is because the producers chose the competitors based on their personalities rather than what should really matter: their designing talent.

    • Anonymous

      Remember how we disliked Gretchen and hoped she wouldn’t win last time but she did anyway?

      Speak for yourself.

      • Anonymous

        Well she DOES speak for MANY of us.   Lilithcat are you saying you either liked Gretchen or are glad she won?  Because honestly that has to put you in the very small minority.

        • Anonymous

          I’m saying that one should never assume that everyone agrees with you.

          While I would not have given Gretchen the win, I can certainly understand why it happened.  And I never disliked her, and never could see why some people were so virulent about her.

      • mrspeel2

        Okay. “I” disliked Gretchen and hoped she wouldn’t win but she did anyway. But I was far from being alone in my opinion.

    • Anonymous

      Josh on this episode received the “I’m worried about taste issues” line during the judging, so his days are now numbered.

      • Anonymous

        I noticed that too. “taste issues” may mean kiss of death.  But didn’t they also say that about Jay, and he made it to the finals-or-almost-finals?

      • mrspeel2

        Oh, how I hope you’re right!

    • Anonymous

      Bite your virtual tongue!

  • Mariah J

    Totally agree. Becky’s designer instincts should have told her that remaking the skirt in any of those prints was a mistake. She could have offered up something else but was playing it safe. I would have chopped up the cog piece pattern and pieced it back together in a more interesting way. And although its not nice, its true that Becky’s designs are boring and not modern. I mean, she was wearing a dress from modcloth on this episode. Not that there is anything wrong with modcloth but its vintage inspired clothing, it’s not fashion.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry, I didn’t read your post before I put up mine. But it’s good to see that someone else thinks if Becky had chopped and pieced she could have created a far more interesting look.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, and I just put up a similar post about slicing the fabric up.  Well, if we all agree, we must be right!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t have a problem with the auf’ing of Beckie – although I did like her jacket. Some people have a really hard time dealing with bullies and she’s one of them. She’s better off outta there. Josh’s was just as bad and I hope he’s the next one out…but I’m sure the producers won’t let that happen.

    I used to really love this show. Then I sorta semi-loved the show. That moved to I’m-watching-so-the-TLo-recaps-make-sense. Now it just makes me sad to spend my time it. Project Runway is making me sad. Stupid producers. Stupid Lifetime.

    • Carole Klinko

      “I used to really love this show. Then I sorta semi-loved the show. That moved to I’m-watching-so-the-TLo-recaps-make-sense. Now it just makes me sad to spend my time it. Project Runway is making me sad. Stupid producers. Stupid Lifetime”

      That is almost word for word what I  said to my husband halfway through the show. So far this season there is not one designer who stands out (as a designer, not a ‘personality’) – it is a crying shame that such a great premise has fallen so far into the reality show toilet

    • Anonymous

       The bully thing reminds me of a few episode of other shows.  The witchy two from ANTM  Bre and ? – the one who marked her territory (claiming to have peed on another girl’s bed) and the other crazy witch who stole and dumped Nicole’s stuff and attacked the girl who called her out. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure his mother would be appalled at his behavior on the show thus far. And this is a case where I really don’t think there’s any chance of him turning it around, he’s just not that person. He also doesn’t realize that that is no excuse for such bitchery. If he was smart, he would have actually taken the whole “My mom died” story and use it as inspiration for something beautiful, as Rachel Roy said on the runway, time relates to many things, not just a clock, but memories etc. His look was hideous, oh sure the jacket looks somewhat “designed” but come one, did you see the back?? It was coming apart at the seams. PLUS did you see his SHIRT?? I would have sent him home for that alone. I enjoyed Becky’s personality, Josh and Laura’s clique tried to zero in on her being the “dowdy” Un-cool one, but I enjoyed seeing Becky on here, but agreed her design was too safe, and sort of off the rack, although that dumb on time cancelled print. Bert and Kimberly were the only mature ones here, Loved the look on Kimberly’s face when Josh’s name was called first and he HAD to ask if he was a leader as a result.

    • Anonymous

      If he was smart, he would have actually taken the whole “My mom died” story and use it as inspiration for something beautiful,

      Indeed.  Who can forget the fabric Mondo made, inspired by his own HIV+ status?  I didn’t see him bitching and moaning and being rude to everyone around him. 

      • Anonymous

        I thought exactly the same thing.  I suppose Josh figured his carved heart for his mommy in the last challenge was somehow equivalent to Mondo’s plus-sign pants.  And, hell, I don’t hear Bert using his partner’s death from AIDS as an excuse for *his* crankiness.

        • http://twitter.com/Wild_Horses__ Beth

          ” I suppose Josh figured his carved heart for his mommy in the last challenge was somehow equivalent to Mondo’s plus-sign pants.”

          That’s what I was wondering, too.

  • Anonymous

    This team’s entire collection was bad.  The prints were awful.  Becky’s outfit was bad but Josh’s was almost equally bad – both with a little tank, a bad print on the bottom, and a jacket, and actually Becky’s jacket seemed to be constructed better than Josh’s.  Bert’s hem length was as unflattering as possible and  Kimberly’s skirt was laughable.  Laura’s outfit was the best on this team but her behavior toward Becky was inexcusable.  But Josh has revealed himself to be a very disturbed person, and I really believe that the only reason they keep him on the show is for the drama he creates.  

  • http://twitter.com/warontara Tara

    Uugggh. Josh. I have always ben a firm believer that no matter what happens to you, you’re still responsible for the way you behave. You can’t control what you go through, but you can control how you let it affect you. Obviously, if you’re really struggling with something, and that informs your bad behavior, I acknowledge that, but I don’t accept it as a ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card. I work with kids, some of whom have been through A LOT, and they all are still expected to behave themselves. I can’t just say “oh, well, little Tommy lost his mother and father, so I’ll just let him be a total beast to me and all all of his classmates.” Little Tommy still has to learn better, even if I do keep his bad circumstances in mind when considering how to handle him.

    Even before he lost his mother, I guarantee you Josh found some other hardship to blame his bad attitude on, my best guess is actually that he would blame his blow-ups on how difficult things were for him being gay. 

    Lol sorry- SOAP BOX! But I have this debate frequently with some of my co-workers. And Josh is exactly the type of person I hope my students never turn into.

    • Anonymous

      Tara, you are right on.  It is not what we get, it is what we do with what we get – THAT is what we get.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      I bet that while his mother was alive he blamed HER for his troubles.

      • Kathleen Gillies

        should have scroll down a bit before I posted… I totally agree.

      • Kathleen Gillies

        should have scroll down a bit before I posted… I totally agree.

      • Anonymous

        And she probably blamed him and they both blamed his father.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I think he was raised to believe he was a Very Special Snowflake who could do no wrong and that nothing was ever his fault. Anyone who thought otherwise (teachers, friends, friends’ parents, relatives) was just a big bully who didn’t understand him. That, and he watched too many Joan Crawford movies when he was growing up.

        /useless armchair analysis over/

    • Kathleen Gillies

      I wonder how many times he blew up at his mother for “ruining his mood.”  cue drama: ” I hate my life and it’s all your fault, no one understands me!  I hate you!” Stomp stomp stomp, Slam!  Full on Peggy Gravel

  • Anonymous

    I have to disagree.  While Becky’s was not full of punch – I did like it and thought the jacket was cute and interesting.  I hate Josh(s) look even more seeing it here. 
    Kimberly’s top is blah and ugly and the skirt is a mess out of ugly fabric. 
    Laura’s jumpsuit – well first of all it IS A JUMPSUIT and in a shiny fabric with pegged ankles.  Uh- NO.

    So I realize that crazy and ugly stay on PR before boring – I though her jacket was really cute  her top was better than Kimberly or Josh.

    I do think she should have stood up for herself more (but Bert has caught tons of sh-t for doing just that). 

    THIS:
    You don’t face a bully by being nice and hoping they’ll change.

    Also applies to my current situation with a bully and thief! 

    • Kathleen Gillies

      Honestly, when I look at the designs, the only one I’d wear would probably be Becky’s.  Is that a zipper facing on the hem? Even though they are simple pieces, they do look well made and proportions are fine.  She should have made piping from the prints or something.  The jacket is nice but being a dark color, it is hard to see the detail.  I don’t do Wilma dresses or jumpsuits, Kim’s gyno skirt, belt and top were ass and those Mom pants of Josh’s made the model’s hips look bigger/weren’t made well and I did not like his coat– the corduroy ribs are going across on the bodice and it’s too boxy and his top is very sloppy and uneven.  The proportions were off to me.  I don’t get the jumpsuit love.  Last season I didn’t like Gretchen’s blue jumpsuit either.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t get the jumpsuit love.

        Nor do I.  They are completely impractical.  And you ladies know what I mean by that!

        • Anonymous

          That’s why I’m always surprised when a woman designs one. I expect it from a male designer, yet most of the jumpsuits we’ve seen so far have been from women.

          Don’t get it at all, unless they’re being funded by Depends.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O3BDDB3LQUETA3DN24FY33UW6U Lucinda Moore

    ugh. Nuts n bolts whole collection was just awful. I was hoping after the hand holding they would get to work and pull out some good stuff. I understand Becky leaving but she has not been treated well throughout this competition when she has mostly been kind and graceful;  that doesn’t sit well. I think Viktor or Oliver should have won. I like Kimberly but hated her skirt. Josh, get over yourself, Please. Burt is learning not to be such an A-hole, maybe you can too.

    • Anonymous

      I agree about how poorly Becky was treated. If you watch the designer vlogs as well as Nina and Michael’s, they totally beat up on her. Michael and Nina called her Becky Home-ecky. It’s ridiculous, really.

  • Anonymous

    Josh works at a bar and – according to him – was never able to afford going back home in the Midwest, even for her mother’s death.
    Bar cash in New York is nothing to scoff at and tickets from NYC to Midwestern cities can go for as little as 49.00 one way.
    Unfortunately it is very easy to spend bar proceeds the same night you get them… and judging from Josh’s entire look and demeanor, I’m going out on a not so far off limb and say that’s exactly what happens with this impulsive manic- between the face grooming, outrageous outfits, and coke/tina, which he clearly ran out of on this episode.
    Then he cries us a river about hoping it’s all worth the sacrifice of having missed the death of his mother, etc.

    It all seems like calculated drug-fueled histrionics from a party boy in need of attention. In order of precedence, his priorities seem to be: stardom, crystal meth,  a good sturdy glass pipe, his looks, snide tired retorts that he foolishly deems clever, his personal clothes, his mom, New York, his designs, fashion, and current events. 
    by: Are they allowed one drug run per week? Let’s hope so.

    • Kathleen Gillies

      If it’s one drug run allowed, please get the lithium bonus pack.

      • Anonymous

        He wouldn’t risk the potential weight gain with the Lithium. 

    • Anonymous

      Right in line with my thoughts after the episode. 

    • Anonymous

      Amen! Before my father passed away – and honestly, I realize that my family might have had a better situation with my stepmother being a nurse – I got the call that he didn’t have long, and I was able to make the drive, and here’s an interesting thing, my family, knowing I was a poor little church mouse that had moved to the big city to make my dreams come true, offered to help me with the finances.  I am sure there was someone in Josh’s circle of friends, or family that would have helped him ..wait… judging by his behavior — maybe not. 

  • http://twitter.com/Merneith Merneith

    I fast forwarded through most of Josh’s scenes and plan to do so from now until he gets auf’d. His work is nothing special and his obvious audition-tape histrionics are both toxic and boring. Every minute this show spends on house drama bullshit is another lost minute of viewership, producers.

    Can’t wait until Nina asks him where his girl is going in her glammed up Village People dress (so fresh! so modern!)

  • Kate McCain

    Josh’s jacket is such a disappointment. It could have been fabulous ala Mila but unlike Mila he didn’t craft it well or use the right proportions. 

  • ALEX WILLIAMS

    Hated the shoes with Bert’s dress.  Yes, the hem was too long.  IT was only a matter of time before Anya won a contest – Heidi loves her “I learned to sew on the way up in the elevator” story.  Viktor’s gown was gorgeous, except for the slit being a bit too high.  Who is he dressing?  Kim K.?

  • ALEX WILLIAMS

    Hated the shoes with Bert’s dress.  Yes, the hem was too long.  IT was only a matter of time before Anya won a contest – Heidi loves her “I learned to sew on the way up in the elevator” story.  Viktor’s gown was gorgeous, except for the slit being a bit too high.  Who is he dressing?  Kim K.?

  • ALEX WILLIAMS

    Hated the shoes with Bert’s dress.  Yes, the hem was too long.  IT was only a matter of time before Anya won a contest – Heidi loves her “I learned to sew on the way up in the elevator” story.  Viktor’s gown was gorgeous, except for the slit being a bit too high.  Who is he dressing?  Kim K.?

  • ALEX WILLIAMS

    Hated the shoes with Bert’s dress.  Yes, the hem was too long.  IT was only a matter of time before Anya won a contest – Heidi loves her “I learned to sew on the way up in the elevator” story.  Viktor’s gown was gorgeous, except for the slit being a bit too high.  Who is he dressing?  Kim K.?

  • Anonymous

    I hated the charmuese  shells that so many of the team members chose to use . I hated both Josh and Laura’s prints. I loved the big cog wheel print though. And I loved the dress that Burt made out of it. It is the stand  out piece in the collection. I think it is Berts best work to date. the rest are equally bad. I more or less agree with the auf.

  • Anonymous

    I hated the charmuese  shells that so many of the team members chose to use . I hated both Josh and Laura’s prints. I loved the big cog wheel print though. And I loved the dress that Burt made out of it. It is the stand  out piece in the collection. I think it is Berts best work to date. the rest are equally bad. I more or less agree with the auf.

  • Anonymous

    I hated the charmuese  shells that so many of the team members chose to use . I hated both Josh and Laura’s prints. I loved the big cog wheel print though. And I loved the dress that Burt made out of it. It is the stand  out piece in the collection. I think it is Berts best work to date. the rest are equally bad. I more or less agree with the auf.

    • Kathleen Gillies

      I wish someone had made a really cool jacket with that cog print.

      • Anonymous

        Wasn’t that cog print Becky’s? all the more tragic that she left and vortex stayed.

  • Anonymous

    I hated the charmuese  shells that so many of the team members chose to use . I hated both Josh and Laura’s prints. I loved the big cog wheel print though. And I loved the dress that Burt made out of it. It is the stand  out piece in the collection. I think it is Berts best work to date. the rest are equally bad. I more or less agree with the auf.

  • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

    TLo, I agree on your reasoning for Becky’s auf. But, without Becky to kick around anymore, who’s the next target for Josh?
    Josh is by no means as bad as Angry Little Peanut, but at least ALP had some great design skills. I don’t see that from Josh, and looking at his final collection, it’s confirmed. Our worst fear has come to a head: someone from central casting finally developed enough skills to land on the show. 

    You know, this season makes me pine for the days of Season 4, when crickets chirped in the workroom, because the designers were smart and talented enough to let the clothes speak for them.  Unless I start seeing some interesting stuff (Oliver and Viktor may deliver that) I may just start keeping up only with your recaps. Or with the dwindling pool of talent, maybe it’s just time to stop calling it a design competition. I’m bored, and I’m wondering if Nina would be as well if there wasn’t a paycheck riding on it. 

    • Kathleen Gillies

      Isn’t that on par with something Jack Parr said — something about the talent or the standards being so low for the entertainment business that in 20 years we will be watching someone run a lawnmower in Carnegie Hall.

      • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

        Your comment got me thinking that it’s not only the standards of talent on the show, but the quality of the challenges as well. In the episode, either Viktor of Oliver asks Tim, “What does that mean?” after Tim gives out the assignment. I think there is a disconnect among the producers, Tim, the designers, and the judges far too often compared to when Magical Elves was running the show. It’s troubling. And the product placement bonanza doesn’t help it either.

  • Anonymous

    Except for chef shows and PR, reality television has not been my interest. But I think my education on producer manipulation is now compete. It’s clear to me that it was part of the manifesto of this season to bring in a character (I refuse to call him a designer) who would top all other previous manipulativeabusiveconceitedvolatiledisturbed individuals seen on either the bravo or lifetime versions of the show.

    That’s all the consideration I’m going to give the Vortex . It’s all been said here, between TLo and the kittens, brilliantly.

    I’d just like to add something about how bad all these prints were. I didn’t go to *art/design school*, but at the university where I began an art major everyone was required, regardless of specialty, to take 2 semester classes of 2D design; these were not drawing classes but design classes. I realize everyone takes their own track to get to this show, but I am appalled at the obvious lack of design skill shown in this episode. They all seem to be able to sketch, though we’ve seen far less of that too in this season compared to past seasons. The clockwork print wasn’t all bad, but it was huge and probably should have been scaled down, or a second complementary version created using only some of the elements.

    I also think that Becky needed to do 3 things.
    1) Reach far inside herself for her inner Doctor and say with conviction I am talking!
    2) Stop looking for validation from her teammates and make the best damn designed skirt she could muster, no matter how crappy the fabric.
    3) Figure out a way to use said crappy fabric in a creative way. Just off the top of my head: Cut it up in strips/triangles/squares/rectangles; sew it back together to create a new fabric. Dye/bleach said fabric. Use it upsidedown/sideways/reversed side. Alternate said fabric sections with one of the solid colors or a different print.

    She had plenty of time to do any of this, seeing as how she made three versions of the same simple skirt. Either she has no real design chops under pressure, or it was a fluke that she made it onto the show, or she was the token older female. I hope she gets her act together, as I liked her, and I hope this toxic environment is something that she can move beyond.

    • Anonymous

      I was thinking that pleating the fabric would have been a way to disguise the horrid pattern.

  • Anonymous

    Becky’s look was only the third worst thing on the runway.  Josh’s was eye-searingly awful, mainly because there was so much of that ugly print.  The jacket was a clever idea since it sort of looked like the cogs of a wheel and worked with their theme, but the look just didn’t come together.   Even worse was Kimberley’s.  That skirt was really bad, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  And she topped it with a nothing little blouse and an ugly belt.  If she was going to reject the prints and go her own way then she should have created a knock-out look.  I thought she should have been a candidate for the auf.   And given that I found her runway show a huge disappointment, I’m expecting her to get the auf pretty soon.

    In a different print, and with the length tweaked, Bert’s dress would be pretty chic.  I hated Laura’s jumpsuit on the runway but it looks pretty decent here.

    • http://profiles.google.com/gillianholroyd gillian holroyd

      (re Kimberley)

      In another season and on another channel, that skirt would’ve been raked over the coals. It’s just layers of poochiness.  (I also put her down to final 3 as a stealth candidate but man, that collection was… not a collection but a bunch of random garments.)

  • Anonymous

    My mother died several months ago and I have no doubt that her birthday will be a really bad day for me for the next few years. I am not without sympathy for Josh, however….
    1) From the conversation we heard, he has an incredibly supportive Dad, I mean we’re talking Burt Hummel territory. 
    2) I can’t help watching Josh spread-the-venom and think about the quiet and classy way Mondo disclosed his HIV status last year. 

  • Anonymous

    I guess I’m the only one who actually likes the length of Bert’s dress?

    PS — The models this season! Jaysis.

    • http://twitter.com/tummee tummee

      I liked the length, too.

      • Anonymous

        Me three.

    • Mary McClelland

      RIght – these girls aren’t models, they found them in one of those shopping mall casting calls for model hopefuls who pay a fee to join the agency. 

    • Anonymous

      I think the length is ‘on-trend’ as they say.

    • Anonymous

      I loved Bert’s dress , I thought it was the best thing on the runway. And that includes the designs from the winning team.

    • Anonymous

      I liked it very much, I enjoy a longer hem line on many women and that print needed all that length.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      there were three good things on the runway:
      viktor’s dress, oliver’s jacket, bert’s dress. anya’s was maybe fourth & that for the way she handled the print, nothing more. i  have no idea why bert’s dress doesnt often get mentioned in the same breath as the others. i hate the wilma business, always hate the wilma business, but the rest of it was great.

    • Anonymous

      Moi aussi. Very much an update of the 1948 Dior “New Look.” It’s the shoes that make it look awkward. Basic pumps—maybe in red—would have kept the model’s legs from looking stumpy.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      I love the length. It’s very sophisticated. The booties were a bad choice though. They chopped up the silhouette. The only way an ankle boot will work with this length is if it’s very sleek and close to the leg, but even that’s not the best look.

      Bert knows his shit, but he needs a lesson or two in updating his designs and his styling.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      I love the length. It’s very sophisticated. The booties were a bad choice though. They chopped up the silhouette. The only way an ankle boot will work with this length is if it’s very sleek and close to the leg, but even that’s not the best look.

      Bert knows his shit, but he needs a lesson or two in updating his designs and his styling.

  • Anonymous

    When Josh called his father, all I could picture was the father looking at the caller ID and mumbling “oh shit”. 

    • scottyf

      ROTFL
      I got that feeling too. I’m probably making it all up, but the even-tempered timbre of his father’s voice gave me the impression that he had to deal with this behavior from his son all of the time. There were so many pauses from his father that left me thinking Josh’s dad might have had some really choice words for his boy. Instead he chose a very loving and respectful way to say, “find a way to deal with it and move on.”I’m forgetting–did Joshua ever ask how his father was handling the anniversary of his wife’s death?

      • Lisa

        No… you’re absolutely right. Not once did the self-centered little bitch ever say, “How are YOU, Dad?  How did you get through the day – are you all right?”

  • Anonymous

    What an awesome post. Thanks for taking the time from the runway insanity to post.

    I actually liked this challenge, even though I was experiencing group-challenge fatigue. I like when the designers are forced to think big picture, and combining the fabric challenge with a mini-collection & runway show was a great way to approach that. The winning team clearly got along better, but they seemed to be better designers in the sense that could take a larger notion (city chaos) and weave it through the video, fabric, and designs and still come out with some very nice pieces. Team Nuts and Bolts (Nuts and Dolts is more apt) had a similar theme and came up with shitty fabric, some crappy design, and a very weak presentation. It was all so amateurish. I did like Bert’s dress the most, and I liked the ideas behind Kimberley’s and Laura’s designs, but that was about it. Becky was the right auf, but I’m glad Josh was on the chopping block.

    Last thing: funny how Josh got rewarded for being a total ass to a teammate a few weeks back but now he’s being punished for being a bully. Change of heart by the judges or just a better peek into what really drives that asshat?

    • Anonymous

      Is it possible that he saw that earlier reward as permission to behave like a complete ass hat?

    • Anonymous

      From the judges perspective, the previous time he had acted like an assertive leader. This time around, he was not in a position of leadership, and yet the judges got to hear stories about his tantrums and my-way-or-the-highway (which HE hit) aggression.

  • Anonymous

    I have a great idea for a new cable show…. “Josh’s Old Boyfriends”…. Sorta like a combination of that rehab, intervention show, and oh I don’t know…Hoarders???

    • Anonymous

      We would probably find out that they include guys named Reichen, Austin….

  • Anonymous

    The thing is, Josh is a very talented designer. He’s just a self involved wreck about it (and I think not without design and TLO pointed out. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing). I really want to see the best designs out there, whether it’s Josh, Bert or whoever, I just wish they’d leave the drama on the cutting room floor. It takes away from the show for me.

    • Anonymous

      I have yet to see anything that would justify the label “really good designer” from Josh.  And his suggestion this week of doing a “Village People” theme, well, that just seals the deal on taste from him.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        His print was the ugliest print on the runway as well.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      no, he just isnt.
      we’ve seen all of it now– portfolio of underpants thru runway show & there’s not a single thing there.

  • Lori

    I guess this explains the lack of talent this season, and the change of involving Heidi, Nina and Michael Kors early.  It was all just fodder for B/M’s drama machine.  Every season we learn more about the designers’ personal lives and it’s now totally TMI.  Meanwhile the quality of the actual designs has hit an all-time low.  It’s Real World:  Parsons and it sucks.

  • Anonymous

    I think the fabric in Bert’s dress could have been really interesting if they’d made it in a smaller print and added some more variation in the size and tone of the clock gears. And then, if he’d made the dress shorter….
    I suspect that fabric Kimberley used for her skirt was pretty interesting IRL; just looked shitty onscreen.
    Bunim-Murray needs to get rid of the Drama Vortex, instead of keeping a shitty designer around just for the teevee moments. I can’t disagree with Becky getting the auf, but Josh really needs to go soon. His work does not justify being one of the last queens standing.

    This show has always suffered from an excess of producer manipulation, but in the early seasons they were far more subtle about it. When both the contestants and the audience can identify upfront the various characters in your play, and how their behaviour is going to affect their success in the show, its time to shake things up or risk losing your audience.

  • Anonymous

    I think the fabric in Bert’s dress could have been really interesting if they’d made it in a smaller print and added some more variation in the size and tone of the clock gears. And then, if he’d made the dress shorter….
    I suspect that fabric Kimberley used for her skirt was pretty interesting IRL; just looked shitty onscreen.
    Bunim-Murray needs to get rid of the Drama Vortex, instead of keeping a shitty designer around just for the teevee moments. I can’t disagree with Becky getting the auf, but Josh really needs to go soon. His work does not justify being one of the last queens standing.

    This show has always suffered from an excess of producer manipulation, but in the early seasons they were far more subtle about it. When both the contestants and the audience can identify upfront the various characters in your play, and how their behaviour is going to affect their success in the show, its time to shake things up or risk losing your audience.

  • Anonymous

    Why were all of the prints colorless?  Was there a directive I missed?  I think the cog print would have worked had it been much much smaller and had a little color.  The words were so Stephen Sprouse it was crazy.  I’m so done with Josh, any screen time of him is too much.

  • Anonymous

    Amen TLO.  I thought all the looks were pretty piss poor but I give everyone credit for attempting to design.  I don’t what has happened to Kimberly in particular.  She was an early favorite but she took 3 big steps back with this entre.  Becky however just wallows in self pity and it was her time to go.  

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think Becky’s problem was that she wallowed in self pity.  I think it was that she took the notion of “team” and teamwork too seriously for this situation.  That was a problem for her when she was grouped with Josh and Laura as well.  The only time she was able to work productively as a designer and as part of a group was when she was put with Kimberly for the stilts challenge.  Even though Kimberly didn’t like or particularly respect Becky, she treated her professionally and their collaboration was a good one.   As others have pointed out, her difficulties may also have been in part due to her upbringing.  Ultimately, she really needed to put the “i” into team.

  • Anonymous

    Josh belongs on the A-List and Becky belongs on SelfLoathingGirlsWithCoolGlasses.   

  • http://fafafab.tumblr.com/ fafafab

    halfway through the episode I felt so embarrassed for th editors of the show, they practically made it “the Josh episode” it was so annoying, his voice is so annoying, it’s like a nonstop buzzing noise ” me me me me, my mother, my dead mother, me me me, Imma call my dad cause Imma so sad me me me”

    fuck that shit, I started reading twitter cause I was so bored of him, shame on him shame on the producers and shame of the people who give him the satisfaction of their attention

    I applaud Bert and Kim for raising above him, but make no mistake about it, if he talked to me the way he talked to Bert, I would’ve knock his teeth so hard out of his mouth that he would’ve had to spend the rest of season looking for them all over the workroom floor, even if that cost me the competition

    • Anonymous

      And I would have learned how to make a gif just to preserve the magic of the moment.

    • Anonymous

      it was so much the Josh episode that I actually thought he was getting a loser edit. Unfortunately not.

  • Anonymous

    In defense of Laura, as soon as Becky came in she stopped talking [i]about[/i] Becky and started talking [i]to[/i] Becky about her concerns with the skirt. It is entirely possible she hadn’t formed/articulated the opinion until she had a chance to shoot the shit over lunch.

    I was not in general a fan of her this ep, didn’t like the jumpsuit and saw no justification for claiming Bert was the worst, but there is this extremely frustrating trait that pops up most often in the bullied and nerdy that it is completely unacceptable to say something negative about some one unless they are in the room.

    • margaret meyers

      She started talking at Becky to get herself off the hook.  ‘You misunderstood!  Now let’s talk about your bad clothes.’  Laura is the Wanna Bee to Josh’s Queen Bee. 

      • Anonymous

        What hook?

  • MilaXX

    For some reason this still of Laura’s jump suit looks much prettier than how I saw it coming down the runway. I actually like it looking at that picture, but hated it watching the runway show,

    Josh is a douche, full stop.

  • MilaXX

    If I was Becky I would have knocked him into next week.

  • Anonymous

    I started watching the episode, but Josh’s horrible behavior made me turn it off. I don’t care if the producers are going for *~drama~*, his downright bully behavior disgusted me. I’m done with this season as long as he’s getting all that airtime.

    and jaysus, what a giant pile of fug from everyone on the team.

  • MilaXX

    oh hells no. Josh is likely the kid that everything was all about him. The fact that his father lost a partner of several years and was actually there through the illness and death would not even occur to him. Just like I suspect he couldn’t be bothered to make time to get back home when she was ill and missed the chance to say good bye before she passed.

  • Anonymous

    It’s gotten to the point that the only real benefit to watching this show are the TLo recaps.  The designers are pretty boring and the one or two people who aren’t boring are awful human beings.  It’s starting to suck hard.

    • Anonymous

      agreed. I’ve spent more time reading TLo recaps (& a few others) than actually watching this season.

      • Anonymous

        I’m worse – I’ve watched episode, and now I’m only reading the TLo recaps.  Granted, I’m an uninformed international bitter kitten at the moment and can’t figure out how to get the show, but  based on the recaps, I’m not sure I would watch anyway.

      • Anonymous

        I’m worse – I’ve watched episode, and now I’m only reading the TLo recaps.  Granted, I’m an uninformed international bitter kitten at the moment and can’t figure out how to get the show, but  based on the recaps, I’m not sure I would watch anyway.

  • MilaXX

    Those tops looked like complete throw aways, and they were all equally hideous. I like the concept of Bert’s dress, but that pattern doesn’t work on a dress and I think that’s why the length doesn’t work. Colored blocked maybe? with one half being in solid black (left/right, not top/bottom) perhaps? I also don’t like the booties with this dress.

  • Anonymous

    My mom died three years ago and I didn’t make it to her deathbed either. I understood Josh’s anguish and really don’t think it was as manipulative as some think. It is so incredibly hard to loose a wonderful mom. I still have meltdowns out of the blue over her not being here sometimes. He is also really young to have lost a mom already.  It doesn’t excuse the mean behavior, but my sympathies go out to him over his mom.

    • Anonymous

       I can TOTALLY understand being upset – I cannot fathom losing my parents.  HOWEVER if you are truly anguished over losing a parent – HOW ON EARTH does that translate to being a bully/prick?   I mean crying, sensitive, a little “testy”. 
      But *I*  *WILL* *NOT* *HAVE*  *IT*!!!! and “shut up and sew” and “you are dowdy”  and so on and so on. 

      *testy being – someone says they don’t like the design of the letter fabric – “leave me alone how dare you” not I WILL CUT YOU

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

      My problem with Josh is that for the most part, he really isn’t having emotional breakdowns – caused by mom or anything else. Yes, there was that moment on the phone with Dad, but if you leave Mom completely out of the equation and look at his behavior, you don’t see emotional breakdowns. You see schemes and manipulation. 

      His blow up at Bert was over nothing but he immediately pulled in a “is this what I’m hearing about from the others” comment to try to look like he was somehow supporting everyone else over Bert. Everyone else was sort of “huh?” so he backtracked and blamed it on the emotions. He’s gone after Becky repeatedly with a unapologetic “I’m better than she is” attitude. That’s not grief related. He really thinks he’s better than her. 

      • Kathleen Gillies

        Even if you think you are more talented or at least competent than another, that is no excuse to treat them poorly.  In fact, I would say I think I would be kinder than usual but not in a patronizing way.  There is nothing to gain by it except looking like an arrogant prick or snotty bitch and makes you look insecure.   That is what I hated about last season.  Everyone thought they were so much better than Michael C. and ganged up on him.  I think I should have quit PR that episode of the flipfloppin’ Gretchin.  At some point I did– stop watching and I think my limit is coming with this season as well.

  • MilaXX

    I can buy that, but if your mama is dying do you think your dad won’t send you a bus ticket to come home and say good bye? I honestly believe the only reason Josh didn’t make it home was because he didn’t make the effort to get there and then it was too late.

  • Anonymous

    From a design standpoint, this year’s contestants are terrible. I think Victor and Anya are the best of the bunch, but would probably not have even made the finals on another season. Kimberly, Laura and Anthony are getting way more praise this season than they ever would have gotten any other season. Nina is completely letting taste and construction issues slide. They are all definitely over due for a Tom Collichio-style smack-down of you all suck…

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      I would pay good money to see Tom Collichio smack them down. Too bad his expertise is food. Although, who knows? He might know a thing or two about fashion. Seriously, it would be totally Pay-Per-View worthy.

      Tim’s handed out a smackdown or two on the show. I think he did it in season 2. He also put Gretchen in her place (for a while anyway. Her Gretchen-ness cannot be controlled). He has it in him; he’s just judicious about doing it. I think one was called for after the previous group challenge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

    Also, I’m sure this has been said before, but I would really really wish they would do a better job with timing the episodes in relation to fashion week. Being able to show for fashion week should be such a huge honor and event for these designers, but when so many already kicked off designers get to show it really cheapens the prize of it all. I mean nine people got to show in fashion week compared to the three that are still left in the competition. If you make it onto the show in the first place you get a decent chance to show during fashion week, and isn’t that one of the biggest part of the prize? Getting your name and designs out into the industry in such a large way?
    Let me sum it up; When Bryce gets to do a show during fashion week, something’s messed up. And things need to get fixed.

    • Anonymous

      i totally agree.  in the “olden ” days wasnt only 3 collections shown?  how did they  manage to do that & some how they cant make it work any more? 

      • Anonymous

        Apparently B-M collectively cannot read a calendar.

      • Anonymous

        Back in the Bravo days, the timing was much closer to Fashion Week—usually when four designers were left. All four made and showed collections, but only three were in the running for the big prize.

        Except in season 3, when all four finalists were in for the win.

    • Anonymous

      Is it possible that the reaction to fashion week influences how they edit the rest of the episodes, so that there is a satisfying or controversial story arc, depending on how it plays out? I wouldn’t put it past this crew.

  • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

    The schlubby satin tank tops were all over the runway this week: Becky, Josh, and Bryce all them them. Sad. And both Josh and Oliviere had bad print mom pants. Becky’s non-designed skirt in sad team print looks like something from Kohl’s teen department’s sale rack. Couldn’t see much of Becky’s jacket. I really hated Josh’s cog jacket; it was so gimmickey and not particularly attractive.

    Did not understand the love for Blair Warner’s blue jumpsuit (the zipper trim looks like cogs, which make you think of clocks, which is the theme of this collection!), well, I just don’t get it. It looks like silky PJs. It’s droopy. I just don’t understand. Belt shaped like cogs made of ugly print also forced onto design. She compromised her vision for the collection too.

    Kimberly’s: meh. Bert’s was nice, even if it was made of a bedsheet.

    I used to love the print design challenge, but as someone who majored in print design, it’s hard to come up with an attractive, non-tracking print in 30 minutes. Thus, we have a lot of writing, bad Stephen Sprouse knockoffs. Remember Emilio’s ES<3SA print? Yeah, just like that.

    • Anonymous

      Blair Warner’s jumpsuit!  Ha ha.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I know! That’s perfect for Laura and her stupid jumpsuit.

  • Anonymous

    You know what really struck me this ep?  When Josh was weeping over not being at his dying mother’s bedside because– and I’m paraphrasing here– he was in New York, trying to make it as a designer, and he couldn’t get back.  Fair enough.  But my jaw dropped when he said something to the effect that he hopes it was worth it.  So, if you end up showing at Fashion Week regularly and having your stuff carried in stores around the world, it’s totally cool that you didn’t make it home?

    I’m being too hard on him, perhaps, but I think he’s despicable anyway, and this was more fuel for that raging, raging fire.

    • Anonymous

      And all the more sad that he’s really a lousy designer.

      • margaret meyers

        Please, Josh was busy pursuing his dream!  It doesn’t matter if he’s a bad designer or a bad person.  It was Josh’s dream!

        • Anonymous

          And we’re all entitled to pursue our dream at all costs and receive the loving support of friends, family, and strangers alike, no matter how dickish we get! We have the right!

        • Anonymous

          And we’re all entitled to pursue our dream at all costs and receive the loving support of friends, family, and strangers alike, no matter how dickish we get! We have the right!

        • Anonymous

          And we’re all entitled to pursue our dream at all costs and receive the loving support of friends, family, and strangers alike, no matter how dickish we get! We have the right!

        • Anonymous

          And we’re all entitled to pursue our dream at all costs and receive the loving support of friends, family, and strangers alike, no matter how dickish we get! We have the right!

      • Anonymous

        Also sad because his mom had ovarian cancer, which should have given him some time to get there. It wasn’t as if her death was sudden and unexpected.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LLXBX4JPDCAJ4ROU7R5X5HRIUM Lorna

      Just hit me…the comment, “I hope it was worth it,” …um, doesn’t that imply intention? On the one hand, he’s saying that he wasn’t capable of making it back – didn’t have enough money, whatever – and then he says he hopes it was “worth it?!” Wow! What everyone else said…if he had wanted to be there, if it had meant enough to him, he could have at least tried to make it back for his mother’s funeral. He’s full of it. Certifiably. Sorry for the loss – I’ve been there twice – but that makes his act that much more disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    Oh so much to say! First, I’m not going to deny it – for me PR isn’t just about the talent and the creativity, although that is the main reason I watch the show, I do enjoy me a bit of drama, but this episode was … DRAMA …and I’m sorry, if there is going to be DRAMA there better be some mighty fine talent to back it up, Josh seems a little lackluster to me, and this is from a girl that loves Anna Sui – I am all about the circus.  There have been some amazing looks on this show,  there are dresses I remember from each and every season, looks that didn’t even win that I still love and am amazed at – Josh hasn’t produced anything like that. So this Queen Bee sense of entitlement? I don’t see where that comes from. 

    I agree he prepared for PR, and built himself a nice little story line, years of watching the show will tell you what will get you to the top if you don’t quite have as much talent as some of the other contestants.  So why “delayed” and “canceled” as a print – two hugely negative words to anyone – and that kind of negative has no place in fashion, doesn’t he remember Star’s cancer/tumor dress? COME ON! Even this t-shirts and jeans girl knows that.   When Village People came out of Josh’s mouth  I thought surely the rest of the room misunderstood – he had to mean the artsy bohemian types that are associated with the The Village, when I realized he meant the actual VILLAGE PEOPLE? WHAT? How many feathered dresses are we going to see this season?  Yeah, clocks was a crappy idea, but against the The Village People, I see why it was chosen – although wouldn’t it have been fun to see the models YMCAing their way down the runway? 

    As for his mother, I feel for him – but to use your mother to justify bad behavior is just wrong. If my mother EVER saw me treat anyone the way he treated his teammates for any reason she would crawl out of her grave, catch a Greyhound, backhand me across the room, and then give Papa Tim and possibly Bert permission to do it again if I crossed that line again, never mind what she’d do if I used her to justify my behavior.  Josh, and I mean this honestly, if you want to honor your mother forget putting her initials on your dresses, behave like the man she raised you to be. 

    Now Laura – she all but told us she was a mean girl from the very beginning with that rich girl crap. I could have cared less about her, until I saw one of the extra videos posted on Lifetime where she said, and I am paraphrasing “Pretty girls get chosen first, Becky will never be in that category.”  So that is what life is for Laura, which explains why she is besties with Josh. I think they are two  of a kind. 

    I liked Becky, I thought she had some great looks in her portfolio, those looks never made it to the show – she just wasn’t cut out for PR. 

    And for all that complaining, I want to say that I still really love this show, and I love TLO too – before PR I really knew absolutely nothing about fashion, I really wear jeans and a t shirt every day.  Before PR I felt weird about wearing anything else, but because of PR, and especially of TLO’s fun take on not  only PR, but different fashion layouts, lines etc … I have really learned what is right and not right for me, not just with body type but with my personality and my lifestyle… I will always be a jeans and tshirt girl, but now I have branched out and I even have a favorite designer — so hurray PR and TLO, you’ve made a difference to this girl!  

  • Anonymous

    Um…so I know this about project runway and all..but Becky and I have  the same dress.  And I wore it today…

  • Anonymous

    What struck me as odd is that several designers said they were looking forward to this challenge.  They’ve got to know that this is now a standard challenge.  Unlike the unconventional materials challenge, which they all know is coming but can’t really anticipate what they will have to work with, they know they will design a print, have it made, and use it in an outfit.  While  the team part wasn’t necessarily expected, everybody should have had print ideas and good ones at that at the ready.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1663121863 Donna DeVore Metler

      But how many people’s idea of a print that they had in mind would fit with “inkblots” or “time”? By making this a team challenge, it effectively negated any prior preparation-unless, of course, you were able to convince the team to go with your idea. Maybe that’s why Josh suggested the Village People :)

      • Anonymous

        That’s true.  But the inkblot thing actually made me think he had that idea ahead of time and then the team created the insanity, chaos vibe around it.   But clocks didn’t really seem like a well thought-out print idea.  In fact all we heard from the losing team was clocks vs. village people (and really village people was more an idea for the runway show and not the prints). Maybe someone on that team had a great idea for a print and it lost, as a concept, to clocks.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t stand that tweezed, slicked bitch. He’s giving gay a bad name. How about when Bert stepped closer to him and Clinique told him to take a step backward as if Bert was going to slice him open with a seam ripper? 

    He knows exactly what he’s doing, and when he realized he scenery chewing wasn’t getting the reaction he wanted and was going to jeopardize his standing, he put on his new act, that of the calm, mature, reasonable lady of the house.

    • Anonymous

      yes, because Josh WAS going to forfeit. Seriously, if he forfeited, he would only forfeit for himself, not the rest of the team. What a stupid, empty threat, and I hope someone called him on it even if it ended up on the editing room floor.

      • Anonymous

        I really would like to have seen the others on the team respond to that nonsense with “don’t let the door hit you on the way out”.

  • Anonymous

    While I agree that Becky was too wishy-washy for the overall competition, I can’t agree that The Drama Vortex was better than her this week.  Her look was a big nothing, but his was so ugly it made my eyes hurt.  Also Becky didn’t poison every environment she entered like Josh does.  I really would have preferred to see her go to fashion week, since neither one of them is really ready for it and at least she wouldn’t have received the honor just for being a big asshole.

    • Anonymous

      I would definitely rather wear Becky’s outfit. Josh’s pants were total poo, and the rest wasn’t much better. But you have to admit that for a design competition, her garments were noticeably off the rack. To a (wo)man, none of these designers are anywhere near as good as they think they are.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        except for bert.
        my guess is he has a very good idea of where he & his work stand.

        • Anonymous

          OK, I think you’re right about Bert (or is it Burt?). He doesn’t have enough confidence, I think. I’m sure he could do more some interesting work if he let himself go a little. Stopped mumbling under his breath and put some queen in his work instead.

          • Anonymous

            Okay…I gotta stick up for Mumbling Bert. The snark directed at other people is not okay. However, as a person who spends rather a lot of time, er, talking to myself (a result of being a dedicated introvert, I think), I get the sense that Bert actually just talks to himself a lot. That it isn’t ALL, or always, a sign of either passive-aggression or lack of confidence.

          • Anonymous

            I have entire conversations with myself, out loud, as I work, as I walk around, whatever.  It’s a way for me to work through particular issues I might face (a meeting, a lecture, etc.). So, there’s nothing wrong with mumbling, depending on the context.

          • Anonymous

            I think a lot of people mutter, mumble or curse at the equipment with which they’re working – particularly when the equipment is not working!

          • Anonymous

            In my house that is called, “construction language” and is considered totally appropriate when some miracle of technology goes belly up.

          • Anonymous

            I wholeheartedly defend mumbling. It’s just that at some point, dealing with megalomaniac dictators like Josh, you’ve got to speak your ass up.

      • Anonymous

        but then, Gretchen won last season for designing ready to wear, something the judges criticized Emilio for (though Seth Aaron was my fave and I am so happy he won that season.  I’m just saying this for illustrative purposes). All very inconsistent with regard to judging. Why not have one ready to wear garment? That stupid jumpsuit certainly wasn’t. I know TLo thought it was interesting, but I thought the straps were barely holding on.

        • Anonymous

          Forgive me, I meant “off the rack” as in generic, not as in ready-to-wear.  Becky’s stuff was nice, and I might even wear it, but it’s pretty innocuous and safe, not exactly America’s Next Great Designer material.

        • Anonymous

          Forgive me, I meant “off the rack” as in generic, not as in ready-to-wear.  Becky’s stuff was nice, and I might even wear it, but it’s pretty innocuous and safe, not exactly America’s Next Great Designer material.

        • Anonymous

          Forgive me, I meant “off the rack” as in generic, not as in ready-to-wear.  Becky’s stuff was nice, and I might even wear it, but it’s pretty innocuous and safe, not exactly America’s Next Great Designer material.

  • Anonymous

    While I agree that Becky was too wishy-washy for the overall competition, I can’t agree that The Drama Vortex was better than her this week.  Her look was a big nothing, but his was so ugly it made my eyes hurt.  Also Becky didn’t poison every environment she entered like Josh does.  I really would have preferred to see her go to fashion week, since neither one of them is really ready for it and at least she wouldn’t have received the honor just for being a big asshole.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Rhodes/602850414 Catherine Rhodes

    What exactly did Josh mean about a “Village People theme”? And how would that translate into a group of prints and a wearable collection? Honestly, I fast-forwarded through his scenes. I can’t stand him.

    Viktor was robbed. He should have won for that fabulous gown. In fact, I want that dress. If it was on a rack in a store, I would buy it.

    • Anonymous

      Oops – wrong post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Rhodes/602850414 Catherine Rhodes

    What exactly did Josh mean about a “Village People theme”? And how would that translate into a group of prints and a wearable collection? Honestly, I fast-forwarded through his scenes. I can’t stand him.

    Viktor was robbed. He should have won for that fabulous gown. In fact, I want that dress. If it was on a rack in a store, I would buy it.

  • Anonymous

    I actually thought Josh was so out of line in his behavior that he would be asked to leave the show. Shows what I know. 

    • Anonymous

      I think you might actually have to kill another designer to get thrown off… or insult one of the multitudes of sponsors.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Liz-Neale/501427994 Liz Neale

    So I just noticed that during the hand holding session Josh is can only bring himself to hold Becky’s forearm,

    • Anonymous

      On second viewing I noticed this as well. Shows you just how sincere his group apology was.

    • Anonymous

      I had only been listening at that point .  When I watched again – I thought that looked odd/controlling as well

    • Anonymous

      HA

  • BuffaloBarbara

    Yes–though they’re enabling next season’s version.

  • Anonymous

    Josh is just a bitch, moot point. The way he pouted over the team not taking that DISASTROUS Village People theme, lashing out at Bert (You weren’t a team leader, asshole) and his final comments to Becky were too much to stomach.

    If his mother were alive, she’d turn over in her grave.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sure his father wasn’t too proud of his behavior on watching the episode, no matter how much Josh tried to couch his behavior as a result of his mother’s birthday.

  • Anonymous

    You know, Josh’s interaction with Bert is a textbook example of how NOT to work with someone; Bert mumbles about the printer and Josh practically leaps up on the table while shrieking that He will NOT have it! like Latrelle from Sordid Lives.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=19801927 Dennis Coyle

    When’s the Torchwood finale post going up?

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      TLo are at Fashion Week and are running on nothing but caffeine and adrenaline by now, I should think.  Get some rest boys!

      I’m sure they will get to the post you’re interested in as soon as they humanly can.  

      Until then, sit back, relax and enjoy the commentariat doing what they do best. ie comment. We could even start a side discussion about last night’s Doctor Who (The Girl Who Waited) – great stuff from Ms Gillan…

  • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

    i gave him & the producers exactly what they wanted by refusing to watch this episode.

  • Isadora Paiva

    I agree with everything except “Kimberly’s is just okay”. Her outfit sucked, horrible skirt (from fabric to fit) and the top wasn’t much better. Since she decided to ignore the fabrics and just make something without challenge restrictions, I was hoping for something better. 

    Still, I finished this episode liking her a lot, personality-wise. She is a very no-nonsense kind of girl, which is a breath of fresh air in the reality TV world, and especially this PR season.

  • Anonymous

    Given the rundown this season, it seems that some of the Designers were wanting to be “Auf’d” and possibly were creating sub-standard work to MAKE that happen. Many were not happy this year and it couldn’t have been that they ALL were completely weak Designers. Some of their portfolios belie that notion.Don’t know..maybe something was built into their contract that they didn’t  figure out until later???? But whatever IT actually is ,many have not wanted or looked like they wanted to be there any longer………… And say what you want about Becky, but sometimes the only way to get away from abuse is to leave it. Being aggressive back does not always work.

    • margaret meyers

      That jacket opening is stupid design work — it looks ugly flopping aroundlike that.

  • Lies L.

    Josh is an asshole. I enjoy me some reality show drama, but he’s almost a caricature, it’s not even funny. Who the hell IS this guy? As for Becky, I liked her. She may not have dealt with the bullying the right way, but it wasn’t her fault – she seemed a really nice person and I liked some of her looks!

    On a happier note, I’m glad Bert kinda redeemed himself. I’m rooting for him again – he seems to be quite aware of the fact that he occasionally acts like a big bitch and seems to be willing to work on it. Go Bert. :)

    • Anonymous

      Remember Santino? How he was kinda obnoxious but also funny and entertaining? singing and doing weird shit in the workroom? Yeah, compare Villain Santino with Villain Josh.
      I would so, so, so much rather have a Villain like Santino than a nasty, unpleasant Villain like Josh.

      • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

        I honestly feel like some of these designers are aspiring to be the next Santino – people still remember him and his antics even though it’s been years (his impressions, the “Lighten Up!” song, Andrae at Red Lobster). Through that, he’s managed to get that spin-off with Austin and that gig on Rupaul’s Drag Race, which, while not showing at Fashion Week or hosting the Oscars, is at least a decent paycheck if making a living from designing isn’t an option.  

        But at least Santino, although he acted like a jackass, was fairly entertaining. Josh is repulsive.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_56DPRFBMRP4MZCICMG6X6GBMIA t_j_newton

    Did you ever think about the fact that by having a popular blog that writes about the show you’re doing exactly what the producers want?!?! AIEEEEEEEE!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_56DPRFBMRP4MZCICMG6X6GBMIA t_j_newton

    Did you ever think about the fact that by having a popular blog that writes about the show you’re doing exactly what the producers want?!?! AIEEEEEEEE!!!!

    • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

      Who said anything about not having opinions?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

    Oh, you’ve said it all about Drama Vortex!  No need to go any further!
    Becky is one of those people you want to see doing well, but for reasons unknown (or not wanting to psycho analyze), kept putting out the same silhouette every week. Interesting, because the clothes she wore were more interesting than what she made. I hope she keeps going forward in her professional life.

  • vmcdanie

    A few weeks ago I said I was tired of seeing Bert’s pissy face. I really regret that remark (good thing it’s the internets and none of y’all know me anyways!) He’s growing on me and actually I liked his dress this week. I’d like to see it in a totally different fabric of course but I liked some elements of it like the zipper. His handling of Josh was kind of brilliant.

    Also feeling the Kimberly love (although, that…slam? compliment? Of Becky on the runway made my stomach hurt. I’m glad to see Becky gone as it was getting physically painful to see how everyone treated her. Which makes me glad again that sweet but fragile Fallene was sent home early.) She was smart not to use those prints but damn that skirt is fugly.

    Josh is what is wrong with our culture. Assholery that gets rewarded. He needs an Amish-style shunning people!

    • margaret meyers

      Laura did not cover herself in glory, either. And Becky did call her out, but then let her squirm out of it. ‘I’m not slagging you, I’m h e l p i n g  you!’  And I understand Anya, in one of the clips on the web site, said that of course no one wanted Becky on their team — she’s ugly! 

      Anya, the porn star, says Becky is ugly.

      • Anonymous

        *aghast at the idea that Anya, or any contestant, would call another contestant ugly in some semi-official video*

      • Anonymous

        Anya, the porn star, says Becky is ugly.

        That wasn’t Anya;  it was Laura who said that.  Specifically to the
        effect that the “pretty girls always get picked first, and of course Becky isn’t in that category”.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

          Did she really say that?  I remember watching Laura’s closet video and thinking she has a lot of stuff, and most of it is on the shiny and trendoid side. But really, after listening to her cattiness, her absolute sucking up to Drama Vortex –should any student take her seriously as a fashion design instructor? She’s not even in the same league as Uncle Nick. But watching Anya and Laura is like watching two girls who want to be Prom Queen. Eventually, they’ll roll off the bleachers in a fist fight.
          The one thing I’ve noticed about this current crew is none of them are very much fun.

          • Anonymous

            She’s not even in the same league as Uncle Nick.

            “Even”? Uncle Nick is in a class so far above Laura Kathleen that she could look up and get a crick in her neck trying to spot him without a telescope.

  • http://twitter.com/jeremyhowardboo Jeremy Howard Beck

    Remember when people were armchair-diagnosing Bert as an Aspie, because he muttered mean things?  Well, I am going to go ahead and armchair-diagnose Josh as an enormous Not-Aspie.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i remember when they were armchair-diagnosing bert as schizophrenic. oy vey, this world.

      as an aside, for all the josh fans out there:
      http://www.regretsy.com/2011/09/10/weekend-flashback-bridle-expo/#comment-268450

      {please note it’s like an inadvertent link exchange cos i posted a link to this page there too. fireworks!}

      • margaret meyers

        Is it our own Josh, or just a Josh-wanna-be?  I think the price for what amounts to about 3 feet of ball chain is pretty high, but then Josh really values himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/suzie.vazquez Suzie Vazquez

    Josh knows EXACTLY what he is doing. And that is playing up a character with a solid storyline that is outrageous. That will make him go further in the competition than he might otherwise. Producer manipulation, you’re doing it right.

  • Anonymous

    DSM-IV….that was righteous.  They are a collection of cases that meet the diagnostic criteria, aren’t they?   

  • Anonymous

    I honestly can’t assess how much talent Becky does or doesn’t have — I don’t feel like I’ve had a chance to see her doing her thing. In my estimation she’s a nice person with a shaky sense of self confidence about her fashion chops (perhaps due to not having been at it for that long) which made her vulnerable to being dissed. The Mean Girls here, like Mean Girls everywhere, sensed this vulnerability and attacked early and often. It seems obvious she isn’t used to being in the shark tank and lost her bearings as a result. I think she’s less insecure about who she is as a person, which is why she could speak up on the runway. She needs to develop more faith in  her talent, which will make her more immune to shit-talkers like Josh and Laura.
    Who, BTW, are both assholes with far too high an opinion of themselves as designers. There’s a weird dynamic going on with Josh and Laura. Reminds me a little of the old Warner Bros cartoons of Spike the bulldog and his sycophantic little friend Chester.At this point, if I continue watching (and that’s not a given), I’m rooting for whoever behaves like an actual adult. 

  • http://twitter.com/vintagesewing VFL Miss Helenes

    “A Drama Vortex is someone who isn’t merely histrionic, but completely
    sociopathic in their need for constant attention and to be the #1 Bitch
    in the room at all times.  If a Drama Queen can be compared to a
    thunderstorm, a Drama Vortex is then a Category 5 hurricane, with
    accompanying earthquakes and sprouting volcanoes. Drama Queens can be
    irritating but occasionally amusing; Drama Vortexes are toxic in all
    things and every relationship. If we had a friend who introduced Josh to
    us as their new boyfriend, we wouldn’t even be polite about it. Right
    in front of him we’d say, “Get out. Now. The crazy is coming from inside
    the house.”

    Wow.  You just described my soon-to-be-ex husband.  Wow.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      mine too.

    • Anonymous

      Sweetie,  you’re better off and you will sooner than later know it to be true.:)

  • Anonymous

    it totally bums me out that Josh got to show at Fashion Week, and Becky, whose initial collection for the auditions was quite interesting, did not.  I would have liked to have seen what time, sleep, and freedom from bullies might have allowed her to produce.  So far, she and Kimberly are the ones I’d like to watch as time goes on.  (I like Anya’s sense of style, but I’m afraid she’s a mean girl herself, and I try to avoid those.

  • http://twitter.com/yankeefoxtrot Alex McGeagh

    Are the judges on crack this week?! Am I the only one that thought Becky’s outfit wasn’t the worst by a longshot, and in fact Drama Vortex’ was far worse??? It “fit” terribly, and was sloppily sewn, and he was the one responsible for that awful print, not to mention being a giant jackass :-/ Also, the styling/makeup/hair has been uniformly not great at best this season – DSM IV at least was consistent and flattering – THANKS TO BECKY (at least with the editing shown on the episode, she was the one providing instructions to the stylists and makeup artists). Laura’s hiddy jumpsuit was almost as bad as Drama Vortex’s awful jacket/pant combo…and WHO wears jumpsuits these days, really!?! So disappointed that the producer circlejerk helps someone like the Drama Vortex move forward in this competition. Sad.

    Bert totally redeemed himself in this episode for me – the only thing terribly wrong with that dress was the unflattering length. The tailoring on Olivieieir’s jacket was truly beautiful (the judges actually nailed that one at least). 

    • Anonymous

      You are not alone! Great comments.

    • Anonymous

      I think the length of Bert’s dress could have been helped with better shoes instead of those stupid booties. But I agree with you about Bert redeeming himself.  I don’t blame him for being angry that his print didn’t print. He was angry at the machine, not the team and Josh was an asshole, just like every other time he interacted with other people.

  • Anonymous

    The only reason the producers keep Josh is because he plays to the “types” – Villain-cum-drama-hog-cum-trying-to-be-tragic. Honey, I lost my father to cancer, my sister to a brain aneurism, and my own sense of immortality to breast cancer. Get the fuck over yourself.

    • Anonymous

      A Big Thank You, On That One!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017585103 Kanani Fong

      Isn’t Josh on the wrong show?  Doesn’t he belong on “The A-List?”  Maybe he went to the wrong audition?  

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        That could explain why he took his shirt off during his audition. Because who does that? (Damn, this is the second time I’ve asked that question about Josh’s choices)

  • Anonymous

    here’s how Becky could have saved the skirt:  Cut all three fabrics into narrow strips and sewed them together to make a new set of fabric with a completely abstract look.  If she didn’t like the fabrics alone, she could have put that little “color pop” she’s so fond of in between some of the strips.  The skirt could have still been as simple in terms of actual design, but the fabric would have been manipulated in an interesting way that would have removed the “canceled”/clock gears/numbers issues.  I think Michael Kors might have noticed that, and might have been impressed that she took bad fabric and made it into something else.    

    On the runway, when taken to task, Becky should have done what Josh did do, which was to play up the strengths of her outfit instead of excusing her weaknesses.  Was the jacket cool?  And why?  She should have pitched that jacket hard.  

    I understand that Josh is a producer’s pet because he creates drama, but honestly, I’ve been on the wrong end of the kind of bullying that Josh did to Becky, and there is nothing entertaining about watching that.  In my happy-place daydream, Josh gets kicked off in a major Tim Gunn “bullying is never o.k.” smackdown next week, and Becky gets to come back.  Of course, we know she didn’t show at fashion week so that’s not happening.

    Lastly, if I were picking a friend/coworker/designer/fashion consultant, I would 100x over pick Becky over Laura.  It in a way has to do with looks:  Becky has a very normal level of genetic gifts in the looks department, which she works through her hairstyle, glasses and clothes into a very fun, funky and approachable style.  I feel I could tell her what I like about my appearance and what I don’t, and she would work with me to find a style that could work for me in a positive way.  That was a strength of her “closet” interview, that she knew what worked for her and worked it.    

    Laura, yes, landed more luck in the genetic department, but has used that luck to make herself into a barbie doll.  I wouldn’t have any trust in her ability to think through what looks good on a variety of women, or to be able to envision anything outside of her own “pretty girl” esthetic.  

    Anya has also hit the genetic looks lottery, but at least worked it for the purposes of this show into a striking style.  I think along with Josh, she has studied what keeps a person on board for as long as possible, and she carefully crafted her personal style with that in mind.  I do have to say I”m attracted to the clothes she makes as well, and for the first time this week, I looked at her winning design and said “I could (and would) wear that.”   

    I think next week’s challenge of designing for the wives will bring a lot of this out– (although what will the twist be?  Will the wives all be plus-sized?  In wheelchairs?  Pregnant?  Actually men?)  I will be very interested to see who is ready and able to design for the non-model body.

    And now I feel even worse that Becky is gone..    

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      laura wasnt handed all that much more in the genetic department. i am amazed that she is considered so attractive. it’s one of the first things i thought about her– she’s overconfident in what are just ordinary looks. fallene, danielle, the similar girl w/ a squeaky voice that was eliminated– all of them were prettier. kimberly’s much prettier. & anya, of course, how could anyone forget anya. becky’s just not thin. she’s becky, plain & chunky. but part of thats self-confidence & lack thereof. w/ laurablenley it’s just the opposite.

      • Anonymous

        I know TLo doesn’t like us to focus on people’s physical appearance, and I’m not accusing you of that– I admit to being kinda happy that you say that Laura isn’t “all that.”  She looks so much like mean girls that were beautiful because they said they were when I was growing up…  

        But I have to defend Becky’s looks to the extent that I thought she was very attractive– there is so much to be said for the way someone puts him or herself together, and Becky is the person this season who I would totally enjoy hanging out with and would trust with my fashion conundrums.  I think she is more interested in personal style than fashion, and I appreciate that.  

        Maybe Becky is more normally sized than most people on the show (and that’s as far as I would go with that, speaking as a Gretchen-sized tall skinny gal myself).  She isn’t obese, but she’s surrounded by skinny girls with a lot of hair.  I guess I’m just reacting to calling Becky “plain.”  I would rather use the term “normal.”  Otherwise, I appreciate your point of view.  

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          i’m saying the same thing. normal will do, it’s just the title i was cribbing is sarah, plain and tall. i wasnt trying to be mean to becky. if over only the time she was on PR she’s had enough meanness, imnho, to last a lifetime.

          • Anonymous

            Anya’s “designs” have little actual design put into them.  She is relying on prints to distract from what amounts to fairly simple clothing.  There is nothing new in any of the looks in Anya’s final collection.  Seriously, in real life, the only looks that are wearable are the maxi dress looks she presented.  IMO, Anya is a product of reality TV.  Her entire persona on PR is carefully put together so she remains in the competition as long as possible, gaining exposure…

        • Now I am The Bee

          I think even the term “normal” is a bit…IDK.  Condescending.   I’d call Becky “real”.  She has a neat style that’s all her own, and only because we are used to seeing emaciated sticks on TV does she, in comparison,  look “chunky”.  To me, she has a wonderful, real body–and she’d be considered skinny around here  in the land of beer, cheese and bratwurst! 

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I was going to say the exact same thing, edi.  If we’re going to talk about physical attractiveness (and we are, because Laura and Josh have made it relevant by their attitude about who’s pretty and who’s not), then I think it needs to said that Laura hasn’t been any more blessed than the average woman. People think Laura is a beauty because Laura thinks so. Also, Laura
        thinks there’s only one acceptable way to be considered beautiful, and
        she will demean any woman who doesn’t fit that mold.

        Take a really good look at Becky. She’s actually very pretty. I think she might not realize it. I imagine Becky has struggled with her looks, partly because she’s not a size 4, and partly because concentrating on physical attractiveness was probably discouraged (by which I mean “condemned as vanity and a reason to go straight to hell”) in that cult she was raised in. Who even knows what she was conditioned to believe about herself from a very young age?

        Becky is also smart and funny as hell. She seems like a woman who would be great to hang out with. I agree with tallgirl. For me, Becky will always win out over Laura as a choice of friend and style-adviser. Remember a few weeks ago when TLo said that style and fashion are two different things? Becky has style in spades.

    • Now I am The Bee

      (although what will the twist be? Will the wives all be plus-sized? In wheelchairs? Pregnant? Actually men?) 

      Oh my gosh that made me laugh so hard.  Thanks! 

  • Anonymous

    I’m sick and tire of the team challenges, because they have kept us from seeing what the designers are there for – designing. And to have so many so early in the competition… do you think the producers moved one up in the queue because they wanted to see Clinique go postal in another team challenge?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joanmcgowanmichael Joan Mcgowan Michael

    “I disagree, however, that the looks the designers came up with in the Bravo-era seasons were just better. Oh, I like any of the Bravo seasons better than any of the Lifetime seasons, but I think people remember the designs being better because the show was better.”
     
     
    I must respectfully disagree with this statement. There are no Kara Sauns, or Jay McCarrolls or Daniel Vosovics on PR anymore.  The final collections of these and many more of the early designers BLOWS AWAY the final collections of the last two seasons.
     
    Shit, even Santino’s final collection was head and shoulders above what we’ve just seen of what is supposed to be the very best work these designers have ever done and I sure didn’t think much of it at the time.
     
    Something I notice about Josh’s final collection is how many of the clothes look  very much like the items in his portfolio that HE is wearing. A designer that truly enjoys women, whether he is gay or not, crafts clothing that celebrates a woman’s form; not just crams her into clothes that he would wear. I think that speaks volumes about his narcississtic point of view and why he finds women like Becky so repugnant. He is his own muse and his asthetic suffers for it.

    • Anonymous

      So glad you mentioned the great Kara Saun. She’s one of my all-tome favorites. I call still recall her final collection without even looking. It blew me away – I thought she should’ve won.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not sure why this comment got stranded way out here (I’m willing to blame Disqus, because I’m willing to blame Disqus in general), but here’s my rebuttal:

      There are certainly no Kara Sauns, Jay McCarrolls, or Daniel Vosovics on this season – you will get no argument from me there (and do I wonder from whom, if anyone, you would get that argument). But that sad reality does not negate the fact that the Bravo seasons are not uniformly superior to the Lifetime seasons in terms of the actual quality of design. I do agree, though, that they average out better.

      Jay McCarroll’s final collection is sui generis, so I’m going to ignore it for purposes of this conversation. Having recently rewatched Season 1, I have to say, honestly, Kara Saun’s was not as good as I remembered it being – which is not to say that it’s bad, only that nostalgia can be tricky (also, she cheated). And fond of him though I was, Daniel Vosovic’s final collection, frankly, was not great (sorry, Daniel; I have to agree with the judges – and TLo – that it didn’t deserve to win) – in fact, the best collection of S2 was actually Kara’s decoy.

      I will grant that perhaps the only truly good final collection of S8 was Mondo’s – but both Seth Aaron’s and Mila’s collections in S7 were actually good, and at the very least Irina’s collection in S6 was good. If we go into decoy collections for S7-8, off the top of my head, in S8, April’s was good, and in S7, Jay’s and Ben’s were good (and I actually loved Amy’s – not unreservedly – but I’m weird like that and certainly won’t press the issue here). All of them easily rank somewhere within the Bravo collections, indeed better than quite a few of them – and I don’t even mean ones like Wendy’s and Michael’s (sorry, Wendy and Michael).

      Now, I don’t really wish to try to order the PR final collections: I’m not really sure how or if I could rank them. The salient point is that some final collections from S6-8 are superior to some S1-5 collections, including a few winning collections – off the top of my head, Chloe’s and Jeffrey’s are weaker than all three winning Lifetime-era collections (pretending, of course, that Mondo actually won S8). This is, to some extent, true of the work on the challenges during the seasons – I can think of quite a few looks from S7 that I think rank very highly in the history of the show. In fact, in terms of the overall results, I would argue that the Hardware Store ranks with the Flower Shop and the Car Parts as the best Unconventional Materials challenge.

      But the show just isn’t as good. The premise has gotten tired. The challenge ideas aren’t as good and even when they’re new they don’t feel it. The judging, which never made sense, makes even less sense. Perhaps worst of all, everything just seems so artificial.

      • Anonymous

        So glad you agree with me about Kara Janx’ decoy collection being the best of season 2. She should have been up for the win instead of Santino.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, absolutely. Kara Janx’s decoy collection is one of my all-time favourites. Her use of colour, in particular, was fabulous, like Jay McCarroll’s – and though I’ve just written a lengthy defence of more recent final collections, my biggest problem with them is colour.

      • Anonymous

        I still like Wendy’s   – and do believe that Kara Saun cheated – and hate that Wendy is the one branded as the bad guy – when Kara was worse in many ways.  

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but I just watched a Lifetime behind the scenes video where Josh says, quite smugly I might add,  that thanks to his attack, or outburst, (Josh didn’t use those words)  Burt was on his best behavior for the whole of the challenge.  So was this a calculated pre-emptive strike?  And based on a little mumble about the damned printer.  “Burt, I WILL not have it!”  Josh was waiting for the first moment to pounce, because he wanted to put Burt in his place.  Because even though there wasn’t supposed to be a leader, Josh needed to control.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeannine-Masiello/1330599229 Jeannine Masiello

      I believe that Burt has been on his best behavior since he had made an ass of himself previously. I don’t think it had anything whatsoever to do with Josh. Josh seems to think that he has a much more important impact on those around him than he does. He also thought that Becky would become a better designer because he had abused her. He appears to be an abusive, controlling narcissistic dick.

      • Anonymous

        I completely agree with you.  Josh thinks he was the reason that Bert acted well during the challenge, but that is because Josh thinks he can control everything and everyone.  He bullied Becky for the same reason.  He is not confident in his own abilities as a designer, so he plays the game to survive.  And the PR elves lap it up like nectar from the gods. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          he doesnt have any abilities to be confident about. i’m not sure he knows that, but i do. his best final runway work is directly copied from other people. his worst final runway work is direct copy from the bargain bins at forever 21. had he any talent he might stop screaming, but screaming is the talent he has. it’s the same w/ his, um, exaggerated beauty. the screeching is to camouflage a man w/ average talent, the makeup is to camouflage a man w/ average looks. feh to all of it. it just makes me tired.

  • Rand Ortega

    I just hope Joshua reads this blog.

    • Logo Girl

      Sadly, people like Josh operate like that guy who has to put together the ad for the movie with horrible reviews. They turn “This is the best example of a totally dreadful, incompetent, incoherent and idiotic ‘how on earth did it even get made’ movie in the last ten years” into “Best… movie in the last ten years!!!”  ;-0

    • Anonymous

      Joshua reads every word written about him. He’ll deny it, but you know he does. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lost both of my parents, one in a particularly ugly, violent way.  Some days I grieve, some days I rejoice over the good memories I have.  And you know how I do this?  Privately.  You know what I never do?  I never go apeshit crazy and scream and sneer at people who happen to mumble and use “dirty words” in my presence.  You know what else I never do?  Turn any amends and apologies I have to make into public production numbers.  Heaven bless Amy Winehouse for giving me the perfect response to Josh and his antics:  What kind of fuckery is this?! 
    Whether or not I’m playing into the producers’ hands by spouting my displeasure and opinion, this earthquake of drama vortex insanity must end soon or I won’t be finishing out the season.  

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for saying this better than I could. Over the past twenty years I have lost the three people closest to me. While there have been many time when I was hurting, I have never  behaved like Josh.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the length of Bert’s dress. He was working with a round print, and proportionally the length worked; shorter, it might have looked too abbreviated or stocky. I KNOW it’s an inch or two longer than this season’s IN length, just below the knee, but so what? Works for me. I don’t think he needed to add solids, either. They may have only exaggerated the print. Bert has completely redeemed himself.

  • pacconci

    Santino said during an interview that his bad boy persona was developed with the motive of gaining longevity on PR. Then he coached his friend, ALP, on how it would serve him the same way the next round. That was just the second and third season! Any student of PR must have learned that the Elves and Lifetime both are unlikely to soon eliminate the season villain. Josh appears to be following in Santino and ALP’s footsteps, but without Santino’s humor or ALP’s talent.

  • Anonymous

    *sigh* I was so hoping Joan Clinique Crawford’s outfit would have been eons worse than Becky’s so I could hate him even more because she got aufed, but his outfit wasn’t worse. I have to agree with the judge’s decision on this one.

    I agree Bert is just over the drama with Clinique. Bert has worked for some of the great designers. He’s seen it all as far as drama queens and he’s seen it done better.

    I watched the episode On Demand last night and a funny thing happened…I’ve always seen Joan Crawford when I look at Josh, so if I picture him in a black sheath dress screaming “no wire hangers” through all his dramatics, it makes him almost bearable. I have no idea why.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

    Oh, I don’t know you guys.  For you to say that Josh is mentioning his mother’s death out of pure calculation is too harsh.  I don’t really like his personality – but the loss of a parent is very traumatic.  Just because he’s a self centered drama queen – that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any feelings.  If anything, you would think traumatic things in his life would always be overblown out of his own emotional problems – not necc out of conscious calculations in order to win attention.  I feel his loss in genuine, and him speaking of it is normal for him and his personality type. 

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think it was pure calculation. I think he was trying to find a justification for his actions, and his mother’s death was handy. It may have been on his mind, and maybe it contributed to the crazy, but it wouldn’t have contributed to the flat-out meanness IMO.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

    also, Bert still I think has way too many issues.  He should know better by now.  He just doesn’t look as crazy next to Josh. 

  • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

    Just wanted to add a thank-you to Tom and Lorenzo for their heroic blogging. One may disagree with bits of the analysis as usual, but it is smart and insightful as well as fabulous and opinionated.
    One small question: is Tim Gunn getting less time in the edits now? I feel as though he has faded into the woodwork–he is obviously influential in the workroom… but Heidi seems to be doing more in terms of introducing the challenges.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I’ve noticed that Tim is getting a lot less air time. I miss his workroom comments. I wonder if it has anything to do with his post show commentary last year….  

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      I’ve noticed that too. I miss “Tim’s Take” where he could compose himself in text and edit as needed if he thought he was going too far. When he wrote about Vincent in Season 3, it was pretty damn entertaining. I do think Tim has been kept on a short leash this year after the trouble he got into last season. But if the producers aren’t going to even let Tim call b.s. on how they construct and execute challenges for the designers, who can? I suppose Tim’s got bills to pay and didn’t want to rock the boat afterwards.

      I miss Tim the educator. He was the main reason I got hooked on the show during Season 2-3. Now it’s Tim the catchphrase. It sounds really corny, but as Tim goes, so goes the show. It’s kind of sad.

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      I’ve noticed that too. I miss “Tim’s Take” where he could compose himself in text and edit as needed if he thought he was going too far. When he wrote about Vincent in Season 3, it was pretty damn entertaining. I do think Tim has been kept on a short leash this year after the trouble he got into last season. But if the producers aren’t going to even let Tim call b.s. on how they construct and execute challenges for the designers, who can? I suppose Tim’s got bills to pay and didn’t want to rock the boat afterwards.

      I miss Tim the educator. He was the main reason I got hooked on the show during Season 2-3. Now it’s Tim the catchphrase. It sounds really corny, but as Tim goes, so goes the show. It’s kind of sad.

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      I’ve noticed that too. I miss “Tim’s Take” where he could compose himself in text and edit as needed if he thought he was going too far. When he wrote about Vincent in Season 3, it was pretty damn entertaining. I do think Tim has been kept on a short leash this year after the trouble he got into last season. But if the producers aren’t going to even let Tim call b.s. on how they construct and execute challenges for the designers, who can? I suppose Tim’s got bills to pay and didn’t want to rock the boat afterwards.

      I miss Tim the educator. He was the main reason I got hooked on the show during Season 2-3. Now it’s Tim the catchphrase. It sounds really corny, but as Tim goes, so goes the show. It’s kind of sad.

  • Valerie Owens

    Props on referencing the DSM IV. :-) But yes, Josh is a total bitch.  Also I think his look was worse than Becky’s. Pants didn’t fit well, jacket was a snoozefest that no one wants to wear, and the tank top was underdesigned and not long enough.  Would much rather wear Becky’s look.

  • Anonymous

    Two years ago Josh’s mother died.

    Two years ago, Bert was realizing that he was an alcoholic, admitting his problem and changing the course of his life.

    Go Bert.  I hope Josh can follow your example and get himself together one day.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPU3E3JBQ7IYRNTIFQ3ZOP5BNE lizzied

    Ever since the network swap from Bravo to Lifetime my favorite show of all time now just disgusts me. In the early seasons your could tell that the show was working with a small budget, which is what gave it character. With so little they still challenged the designers so much; giving them really cool, out-of-the-box challenges. The cast of designers where vastly more talented than any I’ve seen in this season alone. Not only were their designs better they were aslo constructed well. If a seam poped on the runway, you bet one of the judges would comment and scold them thorougly. Now all the designers use glue to throw together an outfit, no one even notices because the camera is too busy focusing on the drama. When it’s not about the drama it’s about the name droping and product placement. Take this episode fore example. What the hell was Betsy Johnson doing there? She shows up for 3 minutes, gives them a pep talk then scampers off. I expected her to be a guest judge or something, but no. They had her on for the sake of having her on. They worm in brand names at every opportunity. Hell there was an entire challenge to design an outfit around Heidi’s New Balance sneakers. This show has totally lost its values, and sold out.

  • Anonymous

    Josh is a psychotic cunt, darlings.

  • Anonymous

    Joshua, vicious, vindictive & viperish. Self-centered, narcissistic & cruel.

  • Anonymous

    I miss villains like Santino and Wendy Pepper, they were outrageous and actually fun to watch. Josh is just…….ugh

  • Presumptuous Insect

    Well, looks like we have to put up with a lot more of that craphound, because he is the only thing the show has got going for it this season, that is, if you are thinking in producers’ terms.

  • http://twitter.com/HotMessHousWife Sammi M

    I’m sorry, but all I can think of after reading, “Right in front of him we’d say, ‘Get out. Now. The crazy is coming from inside the house’” is Whoopi Goldberg in “Ghost” saying “You in danger, girl.”

  • http://twitter.com/HotMessHousWife Sammi M

    I’m sorry, but all I can think of after reading, “Right in front of him we’d say, ‘Get out. Now. The crazy is coming from inside the house’” is Whoopi Goldberg in “Ghost” saying “You in danger, girl.”

  • http://twitter.com/HotMessHousWife Sammi M

    I’m sorry, but all I can think of after reading, “Right in front of him we’d say, ‘Get out. Now. The crazy is coming from inside the house’” is Whoopi Goldberg in “Ghost” saying “You in danger, girl.”

  • Maggie Muellner

    I hadn’t really noticed Josh’s haircut until this episode. Now I can’t look at him without seeing the Amon Goeth character in Schindler’s List. Of course Josh has the bronzer thing going for him too.

  • http://twitter.com/Carolcdt Carol Terry

    You hit the Drama Vortex on the head… both him and that his DSMIV behavior will probably keep him on. Embarrassing.

  • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

    You know, there’s a lot of screaming about the producers keeping Josh on instead of Becky because he’s more “drama”.  But I could see that actually being the judge’s call.  Becky said herself that she hadn’t really wowed them yet, while Josh was in the top 3 on multiple challenges.  And when the team was asked who should go home, 2 said Josh and 2 said Becky. 

    But the two who wanted Josh to go basically made their case with “He was mean and annoying and I sucked because I couldn’t deal with him.”  (I’m not saying that his behavior was at all okay, just that the way they presented it to the judges wasn’t good.)  Well, if you’re going to make it in fashion, you’re probably going to have to work with some people who suck — in fact, if you can find an industry that doesn’t have some assholes, please let me know.  So the “he’s a jerk” argument wasn’t going to get them anywhere.

    The case against Becky was much stronger, though.  Josh and Kimberly’s reasoning (for the judges) was entirely based on her design skills and her performance.  And Kimberly clearly didn’t want to say it, which impressed upon the judges how true it must have been.  I think sending Becky home was the right call, from the judges’ seats, using only the information available to them at the time — in fact, there haven’t been too many people sent home so far this season that I thought were WTF moments.  (Julie was probably the closest… though I was so sad Gunnar Deatherage wasn’t allowed in:) 

  • Anonymous

    Just noticed the title of this post.  Hilarious!  Part of why y’all are the PR blog I read.

  • Anonymous

    The only ones I liked from this team is Laura and Bert’s.  Yea! Bert for being nice again, I am glad since I wanted to like him all along. I must say that I did like all of team functional’s pieces though, maybe Viktor, Laura, and Anya for the top 3? We’ll see…

  • Anonymous

    Josh is Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction – he will not be ignored!

  • Anonymous

    Josh is Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction – he will not be ignored!

  • Anonymous

    Josh is Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction – he will not be ignored!

  • Anonymous

    Josh is Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction – he will not be ignored!

  • Anonymous

    My problem with PR this season is pretty much the same as everyone else’s this season. The whole reason I watch this show is for the magic that sometimes occurs between watching what goes on in the workroom and the runway. I miss the “ohmygod, that’s stunning!” that can take your breath away occasionally. I loved how the designers could create something beautiful out of thin air. The talent. That’s why I watch the few reality shows I do. Top Chef, PR.  I refuse to watch Housewives, Kardashifugs, the Bachelor shows, etc. There is no talent there, only famewhores. Unfortunately, B/M has decided to go that route with PR. They will continue manufacturing and casting for drama until there is no creativity left. We’re just about there. Shame on Heidi, MK and Nina for going along with it.

  • Anonymous

    I wish they would all give up on the Piper Lime galoshes.  Wow, those are some fugly shoes.

  • Anonymous

    Still catching up with three episodes (two seen, on to go).
    Josh : you’re an incredible actor, darling, and you’re a bully. I give back my love to Bert : you’re a disgrace and an embarassment for yourself. Design wised ? the jacket was just OK, the pants horrible and the top ? Ah, the top. Darling, you didn’t even think you needed a top, didn’t you ? Too busy scheming Diva outbursts juts to phagocyte enough real TV time to really design, didn’t you ? Well…
    Becky : you don’t deserve people to bully you, you look sweet and, unlike what Laura thinks, I believe you do the sweetest and nicest jackets. The fact is : you’re a pushover and you don’t wow the judges nor the public. you can be sweet and quiet and nice with everyone and pull out killer looks on the runway. Some designers did it before you. Some even won. Whatever. I’m gonna miss you.
    Kimberley : I can’t pass the fact that most of all of your garments that run the catwalk look so well made but so tacky. You doesn’t seem to let go the blingbling, like Michael a few season back.
    Laura : God, you’re such a bitch ! Forgive my french (well, I would say “garce” and add a few other ugly words that would ashame the delicate ears of darling Josh) 
    Bert : you earned some of my love back. I can’t get over your nastyness with the other team challenge. You can have ego, you can be old and cranky and not tolerating any nonsense but there is a limit and you clearly knows it. The way you handled Josh shows that.
    But, even if team’s play is not your forte, you did well this time. And I liked the shape of the dress.