PR: Kukla, Nina & Ollie

Posted on September 16, 2011

Y’know, if we weren’t so annoyed with them all the time, we’d almost feel a little sorry for the judges; especially Nina and Michael. Why? Because the words that keep coming out of their mouths during the judging sessions are so clearly not their opinions but the opinions that are forced onto them by producers in order to justify decisions that make no sense whatsoever. We feel worse for Nina than for Michael, who’s been spouting pure nonsense with gleeful abandon all season. Nina at least has the sense and good taste to look annoyed by the things forced out of her mouth.

And in other painfully obvious manipulation news, the gender politics of the producers seems to be stuck somewhere in the mid 1960s, what with the way these guys were acting – and “acting” is the operative word here.

“Heh. Heh. BOOBS!”

“I don’t know what my wife wears, what colors she likes, or where she shops. I only ever really notice her when she’s naked or fixing me something to eat.”

“Me am stupid man. Me lose dress. Me scared of angry wife.”

“Ohmigod, don’t call her my wife. She’s my GIRLFRIEND. I think I’m going to be sick.”

Sure, that all plays to the Lifetime credo of “Woman are all saintly victims and men are all assholes,” but we would like to think that Project Runway has a slightly more nuanced view of the world than that. Apparently not. We were embarrassed for everyone involved. The men looked uncomfortable saying their lines and the women kept looking at them with a “Why the hell are you talking like this?” expression on their faces.

And as always, someone in the room was shocked and appalled that people who aren’t models are allowed to wear clothes. We’ll get more into the weeds of Precious Moments’ little meltdown when we do his writeup, but we can’t even call him an asshole (even though he acted like one). If anything, we were embarrassed for him because he obviously has no real world experience and not enough sense to realize that the things coming out of his mouth were revealing that for all the world to see.


So congrats to Josh, who made a very cute dress that you could find in a department store, but which is apparently different somehow from the dresses that were criticized because you can find them in a department store. Oh, Nina. We could practically hear your teeth-gnashing throughout the judging session.

What stood out the most for us with this dress is not so much the design as the excellent fit and execution. It usually gets lost in all the frippery and tackiness he favors, but Josh can sew and fit like a pro.

There was some outcry in the T Lounge last night that Josh had to be directed by his clients to tone down his more flamboyant design instincts and that somehow tainted his design, but as much as we’d like to share in the Josh-bashing, we think that misses the point of client-based challenges. The fact that he listened to the client and gave her what she wanted while at the same time giving the judges something to gush over is pretty much the entire point of these challenges.

It was, as we said, beautifully executed. It also had some nice touches to it that can only be attributed to Josh. We doubt very much the clients asked for that sheer extension on the hem, or the cute detail at the waist. We doubt the clients directed him to arrange the lace in rows across the neckline …

Or to punctuate the back of the dress with it.

No, like it or not, this design was Josh’s to own and he deserved most of the praise he got for it. It’s a very standard dress with some cute touches to it. That’s not enough for a win, in our opinion, but then again, it wasn’t enough for the judges either, given how they criticized other designers for making very standard dresses. But as distasteful as Josh is, and as obvious as it is that the producers are determined to give the most obnoxious contestant even more reasons to be obnoxious, we can’t deny that he did well on this challenge.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t throw up a screencap that makes you want to slap him.

It was the critiques that Bryce’s dress received that annoyed us the most, truth be told.

Say that it’s poorly executed…

Say that it’s poorly fitted…

Say that there’s at least one design element too many; we don’t disagree with any of that.


But don’t sit there and act like this dress isn’t exactly on trend right now, from the color to the shape, and even down to some of the design elements.

What annoyed us the most was the faux “Ohmigod, you’ve accentuated her hips and thighs! Who ever heard of such a thing?” Get off it, judges. You’ve awarded the win to plenty of dresses that did just that. Yes, the pockets were probably too large and placed too low, but the element itself didn’t come out of left field. Bryce was obviously trying to do something modern and if another designer – a pet designer – had done the exact same thing, the judges would have fallen all over themselves lauding it.

We’re not saying it should have been considered for the win, because it shouldn’t have been. But we’ve seen those exact judges sit there and praise dresses to the heavens for being on trend at the moment and we didn’t hear anything like that come out of their mouths. Put it in the bottom for looking sloppy; send Bryce home because he disappointed you one time too many; none of that would have bothered us. But the critiques they offered were lame bullshit that contradicted eight previous seasons of judging decisions.

We keep saying this, but we don’t care if we sound repetitive: The producers have always had pull in how things shook out and who was going to make it to the finals, all the way back to season one. That doesn’t bother us and it never really has. This is reality television, after all. What bothers us is when the decisions of the producers can’t be justified in any way and the judges sit there spouting critiques that don’t make a lick of sense in context.

It was time for Bryce to go and when you look at the entirety of his output, we have no issue with it. But don’t insult our intelligence by jerking the judges around like puppets. As we said, Michael doesn’t seem to care so long as he gets to spout his patented one-liners and Heidi only cares about what makes good television, but Nina looks more pissed off with each episode. Thank god one of these bitches can’t keep her feelings off her face.

And to the majority of readers under 50 who are wondering what the hell the title of this post means, here you go.

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke/MyLifetime.com - Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

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  • Anonymous

    Talk about judges being bored with what they have to say.  I SWEAR this is the second time that Michael made a mall comment which was immediately followed by the guest judge saying 70s Disco.  They must pull the lines out of the same sad velvet sack they use to pick names.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, if someone was smart, they’d manufacture a Michael Kors version of Magnetic Poetry.

      –GothamTomato

      • Anonymous

        Let’s see—-

        Insane
        Disco
        Pumpkin
        Waitress
        Crotch

        • Amanda in Austin

          Don’t forget to include:
          Mother of the Bride
          Halloween
          Home Sewn
          Cheap
          Hooker
          Chic

          • http://www.facebook.com/cruz.alejandra Alejandra Cruz

            Flight Attendant
            Colonel Sanders
            Prom Dress
            Bride’s Maid
            Pole Dancer
            Amish
            Scarlett O’Hara
            Flamenco Dancer
            Drag Queen
            Bat Mitzvah
            Doilie

          • Anonymous

            B for boring
            F for fashion
            dyed to match

          • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

            Barbie
            Dominatrix
            Taste level
            Sailor
            Hootchiemama
            Sad

          • Anonymous

            Hooker with a Heart of Gold
            Craaaaazy
            MOB Mother of the Bride
            Belly dancer

            I’m out.

          • Anonymous

            Needs verbs:

            Slept
            Schlepped
            Stole
            Wrapped
            Threw up
            Puckered
            Raced
            Puked
            Spilled
            Tied
             

          • MilaXX

            don’t forget

            Pocahontas
            Appalachian
            Reggae
            Mall clothes

          • Anonymous

            Slutty, slutty, slutty.

          • Anonymous

            in Vegas
            in Dubai
            grandmotherr
            crazy aunt

          • Anonymous

            Flight Attendant
            Colonel Sanders
            Prom Dress
            Bride’s Maid
            Pole Dancer
            Amish
            Scarlett O’Hara
            Flamenco Dancer
            Drag Queen
            Bat Mitzvah
            Doilie …from hell!

      • narita_rayna

        i want a micheal kors doll, and when you pull the string sticking out of his butt, he spouts his one-liners: “she looks like a flaming disco ball!” “she’s pooping fabric!” 

        • http://www.facebook.com/dalca4 Denise Alcantara

          let me add “it’s a disco straightjacket!” to that!

        • http://www.facebook.com/dalca4 Denise Alcantara

          let me add “it’s a disco straightjacket!” to that!

          • Anonymous

            Also,  BeckyHomeEcky.

          • http://www.facebook.com/cruz.alejandra Alejandra Cruz

            Flight Attendant
            Colonel Sanders
            Prom Dress
            Bride’s Maid
            Pole Dancer
            Amish
            Scarlett O’Hara
            Flamenco Dancer
            Drag Queen
            Bat Mitzvah
            Doilie

        • Anonymous

          Please let it be a bobble-head because then we can keep poking his crazy head too.

        • Anonymous

          If you get it wet, it magically turns spray-tan orange!

        • Anonymous

          Pooing fabric was a Heidism–Elisa’s first entry.  Wouldn’t mind a Heidi doll either.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YYKK5LDOSRAPJXINSD253PYMIA Kathryn

          A Nina doll would say: boring, fashion, forward, boring, old, trend, boring

          That’s why there’s no Nina doll.

        • Anonymous

          I thought it was “farting fabric”

        • Anonymous

          Actually, it was Heidi who first said “poo-ing fabric” in reference to Elisa Jimenez first dress in season 4.

          I see I was beaten to it. However, it doesn’t hurt to point that out again. >wink<

          • Anonymous

            wasn’t there also a comment of that sort with one of Austin’s outfit in season 1 ?

      • Anonymous

        Or we could do a Mad Lib of Michaelisms

      • Anonymous

        Matchy-matchy
        Thanksgiving Pageant
        Stripper

      • Anonymous

        TLo, may I just say that you have the smartest, funniest and best looking minions on the whole World Wide Web!  They (and you) make LOL every day.  Kudos for the Michael Mad Libs!

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t agree more.  Only reason why I’m still watching PR.

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t agree more.  Only reason why I’m still watching PR.

          • Anonymous

            Same here. If not for T Lo and all the bitter kittens I’d pack it in.

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t agree more.  Only reason why I’m still watching PR.

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t agree more.  Only reason why I’m still watching PR.

        • Anonymous

          Couldn’t agree more.  Only reason why I’m still watching PR.

      • Anonymous

        I think MK spends an hour at http://www.namepistol.com/ before every show.
        “It’s a SINATRA PAPARAZZI DIVA!”
        “She looks like a GLOBAL LOUNGE CATALYST!”
        “It’s just a HOT  WASTELAND!”

        (actual names that popped up for me just now. It’s fun. Enjoy.)

    • Dangermuffin

      Oh, Michael… you lose your right to complain about the taste level of a garment, and to derisively say that it looks like something you can buy at a mall, when you personally have peppered the mid-level malls of America with skin tight leopard print micro-minis.

    • http://twitter.com/kingcharles0921 Charles Ayres

      You can join a Facebook Group to make your own Michael Kors quote http://www.facebook.com/groups/159041377465860/

  • Anonymous

    Well said, TLo. I can’t wait to hear your take on Olivier’s APALLING behavior last night. Just because he’s a delicate little flower doesn’t make anything he said less offensive and frankly misogynistic. He hates women. He hates clients. Why the hell is he a fashion designer? Even though I was expecting the barrage of contempt for ladies who are over size 00, Olivier’s attitude was WAY beyond the pale.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

      I know you usually follow the order of Tops & Bottoms and then the middle/safes, but please do Oliver soon, because I’m sure I’m not the only one itching to read your thoughts on it, and share our own!

    • Terence Ng

      My guess about Oliver, without having seen him in this episode and only based on his other actions, is that he’s the person who “just wants to make pretty things”, and it just so happens that the pretty things he wants to make are clothes. He doesn’t want people to wear them, he just wants to make them. In that regard he’s an artist (and if that sounds like I’m supporting him, trust me, I’m not). But an artist has no business being on a show that asks for designers, because designers have to take their art one step further and market it. A person who is only an artist in the medium of clothing answers to no one but themselves, because everything they do is only an extension of what they want, unconstrained and unconcerned with practicality or reality of wearability. Audiences just have to look at them; they never have to think about wearing them, because that’s really not why Oliver is making them. he’s making them for himself.

      His rigidity during the art challenge was ridiculous. You could see his head almost explode at the very idea of having to shift 5 pixels from his usual color scheme, and when he budged a lackluster 1 pixel over, he was immediately defensive when he didn’t get the praise he thought he deserved. He believed that for him to even budge so little from “his aesthetic” should be praise-worthy enough, like demanding that one be recognized for switching your workout routine from lifting your bare arms to lifting a pencil.

      Send him home already. His shit is nice, but he’s NOT a designer…at least not yet. 

      • Anonymous

        Terence, I think you’re spot on. Art & design are, to borrow a phrase from the great movie Airplane, “an entirely different kind of flying, altogether”

        • Anonymous

          Terence has summed up Oliverererirere quite well.  I reminded myself today that he is still quite young, and is also at this point in the PR season sleep-deprived, which would increase the likelihood that he’s going to say something that will be manna from heaven for the producers.

        • Anonymous

          Terence has summed up Oliverererirere quite well.  I reminded myself today that he is still quite young, and is also at this point in the PR season sleep-deprived, which would increase the likelihood that he’s going to say something that will be manna from heaven for the producers.

      • Anonymous

        Terence, I think you’re spot on. Art & design are, to borrow a phrase from the great movie Airplane, “an entirely different kind of flying, altogether”

      • muzan-e

        My guess about Oliver, without having seen him in this episode and only based on his other actions, is that he’s the person who “just wants to make pretty things”, and it just so happens that the pretty things he wants to make are clothes. He doesn’t want people to wear them, he just wants to make them. 

        Amen. And you’ve said it far more succinctly than I could’ve.  *g*

      • tripletmom96

        i think your take on olivier is pretty spot on — except that i don’t see how he wants to make “pretty things”…. i don’t think i’ve seen anything from him that i would consider “pretty”.  didn’t he come onto the show having been primarily a menswear designer?  i think he still is a menswear designer — most of his clothes look more like menswear and he was very clear that he doesn’t like designing for women who actually have a woman’s shape — he actually said he doesn’t like breasts — he wants women to be flat chested (like a man?????).  and look at how often he styles his models with thick, masculine eyebrows…

        i really thought that garment he sent down the runway should have been in the bottom three – in my opinion it was far worse than any of the three that were there.  i guess because it had some design elements that the others were lacking he got pushed through, even though i didn’t think it looked good. 

        • Terence Ng

          By “pretty things” I mean things that he thinks are pretty. I agree with you that his stuff, to my tastes, hasn’t been remarkable or pretty to me. But I think he’s more concerned with making intricate pieces that he loves rather than clothes that allow others to enjoy his aesthetic. You could probably lock him in a warehouse by himself with materials and maidenforms and he’d be perfectly happy for the next 30 years.

          • Anonymous

            Let’s do it!  Can we do this?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jude-Brown/1350939326 Jude Brown

            i think olivier was particularly nasty because the producers had dangled the possibility that it would be a menswear challenge, and then snatched it away.

            On the other end of the asshole male bell curve: the husband who demonstrated what he like to do with his wife’s breasts on Burt’s mannequin.

          • Anonymous

            I loved the way Bert just kind of went with it.  Bert can be kind of a mellow guy once he’s in his groove.  

          • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

            Clearly Bert has had actual clients before…

          • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

            Clearly Bert has had actual clients before…

          • Anonymous

            Say what you will about Bert…maturity brings a certain wisdom and the “I’ve seen it all before” wisdom that the kidlets just don’t have.

          • Terence Ng

            OMG, let’s. :D

          • Anonymous

            You could probably lock him in a warehouse by himself with materials and
            maidenforms and he’d be perfectly happy for the next 30 years…after
            sanding off the maidenforms’ breasts, of course.

            Holy horror movie premise!

          • Anonymous

            I think you may have Olivier pegged 100 percent.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, Terence, I think you’re right about our fragile friend Olivier. And I call that textile art and I love it & have spent much of my life fantasizing about having an enormous mansion with well lit, soft white spaces in which I could display my [equally imaginary] vast collection of beautiful, beautiful, textile art.  But though they sometimes overlap, a bit, that’s not fashion design.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you.
        He doesn’t want to make garments for real people. He wants to make pretty garments, period. Why bother over such menial things as practicality or being wearable. He’s fashion designer, not a tailor.
        When you see what runs down some runway you can see how close to high fashion his mind is. He just still doesn’t have what it take to make it to a marketable level. See the collection Karl Lagerfeld did for H&M ? Compare it to what he does for the high fashion shows for Chanel.
        To be a successfull fashion designer, you need to be able to market your work… Which made me think that we didn’t have that kind of challenge yet in this season. Hmmm…

    • Stephen Trask

      Olivier merely voiced what everyone was thinking.  Knowing that the contestants assumed they would be designing for the men on the stage, every designer chose by body type, knowing that the taller, thinner guys would be easier to design for and cheaper to by fabric for.  And every viewer knew in exactly what order these guys would be chosen, at least for the first 4-5.  Olivier simply said it out loud.  He never said that there was anything wrong with clients.  He simply expressed, in his way, that in a fashion competition in which outfits are going to be sent down a runway and judged he would rather have a “model” whose proportions are more model-like.  And, looking at the top three I would say it is a fairly astute assessment.  AND he is the only designer who took a client with non-model proportions and made her body look fantastic.

      • Anonymous

        I get that everyone chose the slimmest, fittest models. I even kind of get that they don’t like to design for fuller figures (although if you want to sell your clothing in America- it better work on a variety of body types). What bothered me about Olivier was his utter repulsion at the female body. He doesn’t want women to have breasts (that aren’t flat as a board). He SAID that. That’s a disgusting thing to say if you are designing clothes FOR WOMEN!!! And for the record, I am (sadly) super-flat chested myself. Whew! OK, vent over. Thanks for letting me get that off my . . . well, you know.

        : )

        • Stephen Trask

          I’m pretty sure he said he wanted his models to be flat as a board, not women in general.  And I honestly don’t think he was repulsed more than acknowledging thata. he had to work outside of his comfort zone and b. he was competing against people who didn’t have to work outside of there’s.  And let’s not forget, what ever he said he was almost certainly prompted to say.  ”It must have been frustrating to go last and see all the guys up there that the other designers didn’t want to work with.  What was going through your head?  How did it make you feel?  Don’t hold back.  Be honest you can tell me. I’m your new best friend.”  And DD breasts are ginormous and he made that lady look quite stunning.  So, maybe fuller figures will end up being his thing.  
          And I’m glad you got that off your chest.

        • Anonymous

          I’d agree on all of the diss for Olivier except that we have to consider what he did for the team Chaos group challenge.  That jacket was just plain gorge and he should have won if not for the pants that didn’t quite work with the look of the jacket.  Add a nice leather skirt?  A lot of women without perfect proportions would feel really well dressed in that look. Menswear styling has a place in the competition.

      • Anonymous

        That’s strange, I watched an entirely different show where Olivier called his clients stupid multiple times and said he didn’t want to work with them, listen to them, deal with “ginormous” boobs, and otherwise carried on.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1007327979 Sara Frankart Finn

          Laylalola, I think I saw the same show as you – the one where he called the men fat – the word actually spat out of his mouth, you could tell how much disdain he felt for their fat bodies as he shuddered at the thought

          • Terence Ng

            He seems shocked that there’s a world outside whatever fairy tale he normally spends his time in.

            It all seems very Martha Stewart “I just want to focus on my salad”.

            “The real world is so barbarous. I just want to focus on my delicate world of flat-chested women and skinny men.”

        • Kathleen Gillies

          It was kind of surreal the way he went on about it too.  Like he forgot there are cameras and he’s wearing a mike.  I actually thought it was hilarious and could listen to him in his bizarre little accent, flat affect and passive tone for an hour going on about “what are boobs, why do people have to have them.  What does a D or DD cup mean? Why do they insist on using their mouths to communicate with him?  They keep talking!  I hate clients, I don’t want to work with people, just professional silent models who don’t have breasts nor opinions.”

        • Anonymous

          I just
          watched the episode online.  Although Oliver clearly didn’t want to work
          with clients or breasts, I don’t think he ever called his clients stupid or seemed
          to obviously imply it.  The closest he came was during the interview
          during the final rush before the runway (when do they do these interviews?)
          when he says something like “I felt stressed out because of having to deal
          with all these stupid little things. And I just really feel like working with
          the model again; and having a non-speaking person just do their jobs and have
          it done: not so much talking back.”

          That’s
          followed by Oliver talking to the client: “I just feel like I’m fighting
          for my life here. I would love to make something you’d absolutely love. But
          it’s for the competition.”

          (Although English is apparently his first language, it’s a little peculiar and not just in accent.)

          Maybe he’s not ready for clients in the real world, but, of course, Project Runway is not the real world and not a perfect test of that.  In the end, he seemed to do OK.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCJEZMOV4VYMXC5WJALLZNYEB4 Mari Rose

        No, Kimberly had a model with non-model proportions (that badonkadonk!) and she looked great. She felt great, too. You could see it on her face and in her strut.

        • Terence Ng

          Bert also made his girl look great, even with a standard dress.

        • Anonymous

          And Kimberly was completely adorable when she cried, “I get ‘Dimples’!” Sweet way to assuage any potential humiliation her male client, the last, most overweight man standing on the runway, might be experiencing.

          • Anonymous

            Forgive if this duplicates… Disqus is being weird…

            Yes! I’ve liked Kimberly all along, but that moment was beautiful. She has empathy. She’s not been fuzzy-warm with her fellow contestants, but I’m beginning to think that’s more a function of them not deserving it.

          • Anonymous

            Absolutely!  A wonderful way of defusing an embarrassing situation.  (Getting picked last was bad enough in gym class… can you imagine having it happen to you on national television?)

          • Anonymous

            Kimberley handled that so well. I like her even more after seeing that.

          • Anonymous

            Kimberley handled that so well. I like her even more after seeing that.

          • Stephen Trask

            I love Kimberly but that outfit with it’s snake skin skirt was fugly.  

      • Anonymous

        Is it just me or did Olivier’s “taped confessions” look a bit hostage like?  Were his captors dangling a giant pair of DDs just out of camera range threatening to motorboat (as opposed to waterboard) him??

      • http://twitter.com/nolageek nolageek

        I believe he said, several times, that he doesn’t like dealing he with clients. He said specifically that he wanted to work with models who are there to “not speak and wear what he gives them.” He’s a douchebag.

        • Anonymous

          Awwww…he’s a delicate little flower, snatched from his own little imaginary world.  He hardly even speaks the same language as the others.  He’s from Ohio, but I cannot place that amazing (and also possibly imaginary or made up) accent.  We should just let him go back to Who-ville or wherever he came from.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12500056 Joseph Lamour

      Even though this was said 17 minutes ago, I’m surprised it doesn’t have 14 likes on it. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12500056 Joseph Lamour

      Even though this was said 17 minutes ago, I’m surprised it doesn’t have 14 likes on it. 

    • Rick Aiello

      I AGREE about Oliver.  He really REALLY turned me off last night.  I thought the exact same thing as others– if you hate working with people so much, hate being bothered so much, and hate people’s input so much– you are in the WRONG PROFESSION, honey.  Wow.  What a petulant little snob.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VBWWGHZEBKTVQMXE5SO5NCU2I Mich

      I think TLO kind of nailed it when they said Olivier doesn’t have any real world experience. As a fuller sized woman, watching the designers react to these ‘real woman’ challenges can make me really uncomforable, and sometimes angry. But Olivier just came off as such a child-someone who’s only designed for perfectly shaped dress forms and modelly sized models. I think his statements about size didn’t bother me so much because he made the same kind of statements about having to deal with people who just talk to him. He reacted the same way he has during any of the challenges that have forced him to go outside his comfort zone-with frustration and exasperation. I didn’t feel like his unhappiness was directed at women of a particular size, or women in general, more just at anything that’s not what he wants to do. He just doesn’t seem to have the experience or the desire to deal with anything outside his norm.

      Plus his statement that ‘these big boobs are going to be trouble’ kind of cracked me up. truer words, my friend.

      • Terence Ng

        Agreed. that’s what bothers me the most. He has no threshold for flexibility. What did he think? That his aesthetic was going to be a straight out of the box win? The challenges are there to test if your skills and aesthetic match the realities of fashion art and design.

        • Anonymous

          I think he must have been sick the day/week they covered “darts” and shaping in fashion school.  This is basic, basic information–I’m just a home sewer, but I would think this would be near the beginning of design school.  “Wallpapering a beach ball” is what I’ve heard some sewers say.  Covering curved objects with fabric.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CGDWXAMCPPIR3OVRPIVV2W3XVI Anonymous

        That should be on a t-shirt. I can see it now “These big boobs are going to be trouble.”

        Speaking as a “fuller sized woman” myself.

        • Anonymous

          As someone who has boobs larger than the “trouble DD size” I would totally buy that t-shirt!!!

      • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

        He seems to have the world’s smallest comfort zone.

    • Anonymous

      AND, ignorance is no excuse!

    • http://inkblotphotography.blogspot.com/ Cate

      THANK YOU!  omg… he really upset me with his nonsense last night. it really ticked me off to hear his shit. like, who does he think actually WEARS the clothes? women. with BOOBS. that’s who. he’s completely lost my vote.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YYKK5LDOSRAPJXINSD253PYMIA Kathryn

      Not only did Oliver make an ass of himself with his rarefied and misogynistic attitude, he is also showed he can’t deal with real people, let alone real women and their boobs.  He clearly didn’t like working with his clients.  Granted, they were kind of annoying, but…he was supposed to be working for them.

      There actually wasn’t as much contempt for “real” women among the other designers as I expected. Maybe Oliver sucked all the content out of the room, or (more likely), it was the editing.  But Kimberly had a good attitude about making clothes for “Barbie women,” and Bert was very competent with his large-busted client.  It’s also worth noting that while none of the women were model-skinny, none were plus-size (that I could tell).  The producers seem to have learned something from the disastrous mom challenge in season 3.

      • Anonymous

        On the one hand they were a bit annoying in the way many New Yorkers/New Jerseyites/Long Islanders can be. We’re an abrasive bunch, and our forthright communication style is considered rude in other places.

        OTOH, they were practically petting him on his wittle head to help him calm down and de-stress. By the end, they were complimenting him all over the place and reassuring him that they were confident he could finish a beautiful outfit in the available time.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not sure Olivier likes people in general.

  • Anonymous

    Well said, TLo. I can’t wait to hear your take on Olivier’s APALLING behavior last night. Just because he’s a delicate little flower doesn’t make anything he said less offensive and frankly misogynistic. He hates women. He hates clients. Why the hell is he a fashion designer? Even though I was expecting the barrage of contempt for ladies who are over size 00, Olivier’s attitude was WAY beyond the pale.

  • Anonymous

    I just love you, TLo! Spot on, as usual. I really, really hated the way they portrayed the men clients this week. Surely they didn’t spend the entire time talking about boobs…

    And this, “But that doesn’t mean we can’t throw up a screencap that makes you want to slap him” made me nearly choke with laughter.

    • Anonymous

      Perhaps, maybe, some of you don’t have many boorish straight men in your circle (and no one should), but as a woman with “big boobs”, let me assure you no editing trickery was necessarily required.  That man could have been edited DOWN.  My mom’s boyfriend treats her exactly like this, and it’s disgusting.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        As a large chested woman, I have a husband who LOVES boobs — by far his favorite body part on a woman.  And yeah, I have no doubt a camera could have captured him talking about my boobs for at least an hour straight.  In his case, though, a good share of it would have been because he knew I’d laugh when I saw it:) 

        • Anonymous

          I suspect the Joisey guy was playing it up a bit for that reason.  There was absolutely no way Bert couldn’t make an insanely deep decollatage for that couple and he knew it.

  • Anonymous

    I just love you, TLo! Spot on, as usual. I really, really hated the way they portrayed the men clients this week. Surely they didn’t spend the entire time talking about boobs…

    And this, “But that doesn’t mean we can’t throw up a screencap that makes you want to slap him” made me nearly choke with laughter.

  • http://twitter.com/TheScottFinley Scott Finley

    While it’s a nice dress (Saks would carry it), it wasn’t superior to either Viktor’s or Anya’s dress. The judges graded on a curve and gave him the win for not making something that belonged in the front window of BeBe.

    • tripletmom96

      and i think his win was mostly because of the restraint he used by not gee-gawing it up with those horrid mirror squares…. he can thank his clients for saving his sorry ass on that one.  yes, many of the elements he put in there were his, but that has been the pattern with josh — he isn’t a horrible designer; he just doesn’t know when to stop – he over-designs and over-embellishes.  here, the clients put the kibosh on that.  i’m glad he listened, but i still hate to see him win….

    • http://visceralresponse.com Dina dV

      Also, he ALWAYS makes circle skirts.  This was at least the third one he’s made, and the second he’s won with.  If Bert can get, rightly, criticized for not pushing himself then point out that Josh returns to that circle skirt well all the time.  Other than that he made a lovely, fitted bodice without sleeves.  A nice dress, and definitely deserving of placing top three but it was the least of the top three in my opinion.

      Viktor’s outfit was separates, plus a purse, and maybe the glasses were too much but she looked stylish.  There were considerably more design elements in his garments than in Josh’s dress, and he showcased more skills than Anya’s who I think falls back on “assymetrical” to cover any cutting or sewing mistakes.  It’s harder to make a straight hem than to have it cut up to the crotch on one side and dragging on the other.  I doubt either of them would have been able to do the inverted pleats and have that contrasting band be so even.

      The weirdest criticism in my mind though was that they seemed to detract from Viktor’s overall design because his couple were very stylish and drove the process and yet chose to reward Josh for not bedazzling the hell out of the dress because his couple was…pretty stylish and drove the process.

      • Anonymous

        Circle skirts!  Yes!  When TLo does their restrospective (if they chose to), we’ll see that ALL of Josh’s skirts were circle skirts.  That’s not a bad thing, and he’s good at them, but they are all the same sillouette.

  • http://twitter.com/TheScottFinley Scott Finley

    While it’s a nice dress (Saks would carry it), it wasn’t superior to either Viktor’s or Anya’s dress. The judges graded on a curve and gave him the win for not making something that belonged in the front window of BeBe.

  • http://twitter.com/SophiaPehawkins C. Bazurto

    That was some bullshit last night. I thought for sure Viktor had it in the bag. I obviously wasn’t paying close enough attention, but did they say Viktor made that bag for his girl? If so, that’s pretty damn impressive. 

    ETA: I j’adored Nina saying Bert’s dress was “short, shiny, and tight.” It all hits so close to home.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      Yes, he made the bag too

      • Anonymous

        Probably why he didn’t win, if he’d used something from the piperlime wall they’d have been contractually obligated to gush over his accessorizing.

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          No doubt! Didn’t he learn from the last challenge? “Piperlime is giving jewelry to the women” = “Piperlime is buttering our bread this time.” He’s not reading between the lines… No wonder they gushed over Josh’s (Piperlime!) shoes. 

          • Anonymous

            Personally, I thought that those electric-blue patent platform pumps looked kinda tacky with that dress. A pop of color, yes. But not those particular shoes. But, then again, it IS Josh, so……

          • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

            Maybe they were just happy that he didn’t put dog toys on them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      Yes, he made the bag too

    • Rick Aiello

      I loved Viktor’s design, and thought it was in the bag for the win too, but he over accessorized it so much that I couldn’t even see the dress anymore.  The glasses, the bag (which I loved and could have stayed) and the clunky necklace took my attention away from how gorgeous the outfit itself was.  In fact, add the hair there too– I didn’t care for it either.  If she had come out with just the bag and a nicer hairdo, he would have won for sure.

      • Anonymous

        I was shocked at the hair, too.  Surely they had enough off time to fix the color?

      • Anonymous

        I was shocked at the hair, too.  Surely they had enough off time to fix the color?

      • Anonymous

        I loved the necklace. It was angular and modern, and kept the top from being too twee and baby-doll.

        I couldn’t disagree more about the hair. It so fits her personality and aesthetic, and it added a bit of edginess, including the visible roots. A more traditional hair color/style would have been too “cute” for that outfit. But the glasses should have been edited.

  • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

    I haven’t watched the episode yet – no cable – but now I know I can skip this week, and maybe even next week too.

    You know, I used to watch for the fashions and to wonder “How did they make that out of cornhusks?”, “That jacket is TO DIE FOR! How did they do that in 8 hours?”

    Then, I settled for just watching Tim and learning the art of giving a critique to make people self-assess instead of a critique that bites their head off.

    Then, I settled for just watching to get TLo’s jokes about the contestants.

    Now, I just am not going to settle for less. TLo’s posts have become far more entertaining and thoughtful than the program itself.

    Goodbye, Project Runway. It was fun while the fun lasted.

    • Anonymous

      I’m with you.  I watched last week on the computer and missed last night.  And maybe I don’t even care enough to look for this week on the computer.   

      I’m just pissed that I waited all year for PR and THIS was all we got:  poor design skills, an overabundance of drama, stupid challenges, not enough real focus on the garment, and Michael Kors thinking he is funny when he obviously is not.  

      I’m totally bummed.  It’s nice to know I’m not alone in this! 

      • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

        And next week is another team challenge, to get the drama going again. SO stupid…

      • Anonymous

        I *only* watch the show so I can understand what TLo are discussing and hang out with you guys.  My interest waned considerably with the move to Lifetime…

    • Anonymous

      I’m right there with you!  I HATE how it is becoming more and more a standard reality show.  Last week was the worst – if I wanted to watch famewhores scream at each other, I’d watch the Jersey Shore.  But I think this week really it was so obvious that the clothes are a secondary prop to the story and all they producers care about is soundbites and story lines.  I know that “soundbites and storylines” is how tv works, but it just seems so obvious this year. 
      They went for personalities over everything else in casting (I was wondering why Olivier was still here and now I know, we were just waiting to get his horrible bits about boobs – He’ll be gone next week)  It is a 90 minute show where there is so much fighting, bitching, crying and cattiness that it seems like there is less about the clothes and design process than there was in the 60 minute show.  Doesn’t it seem like Tim Gunn is only doing critiques for about 60 seconds of screen time?
      I was so excited for a new season, and I will probably watch the rest of this one, but I think I’m out after that…

      • Anonymous

        Tim’s sixty-seconds this week were pretty entertaining.  He was so exasperated with Olive.

      • Anonymous

        Tim’s sixty-seconds this week were pretty entertaining.  He was so exasperated with Olive.

      • Anonymous

        I would not have missed Tim’s discomfort with “double-Ds” for the world. :-D

    • Terence Ng

      Your corn husk comment makes me think the following:

      I saw better, more interesting and daring fashion on RuPaul’s Drag Race than I’ve seen here from day one.

      And that’s sad.

      • Anonymous

        and better styling….
        drag queens who are more attractive than the models used this season

      • Anonymous

        and better styling….
        drag queens who are more attractive than the models used this season

    • Anonymous

      I came to this conclusion a long time ago. I read the recaps on TLo, but i pass on the show.

  • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

    I haven’t watched the episode yet – no cable – but now I know I can skip this week, and maybe even next week too.

    You know, I used to watch for the fashions and to wonder “How did they make that out of cornhusks?”, “That jacket is TO DIE FOR! How did they do that in 8 hours?”

    Then, I settled for just watching Tim and learning the art of giving a critique to make people self-assess instead of a critique that bites their head off.

    Then, I settled for just watching to get TLo’s jokes about the contestants.

    Now, I just am not going to settle for less. TLo’s posts have become far more entertaining and thoughtful than the program itself.

    Goodbye, Project Runway. It was fun while the fun lasted.

  • Anonymous

    Bryce is out because he was the weakest designer left not because his dress was the worst.  Funny how all of the designers thought the pink was horrible but the judges really liked the color.

    Josh made a nice dress, but he made the same skirt as his tree trunk skirt which wasn’t all that either.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      The dress was badly executed and had too much going on, but it wasn’t actually ugly. With some tweaking and better sewing (without the pressure) and it would be a very cute dress. The color was absolutely perfect for her and you can tell she really liked it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      The dress was badly executed and had too much going on, but it wasn’t actually ugly. With some tweaking and better sewing (without the pressure) and it would be a very cute dress. The color was absolutely perfect for her and you can tell she really liked it.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you.  Bryce needed more time to make it fit, but I think that more time would have had him seconding guessing himself instead.

        He could use some more experience and some more confidence.

        • Anonymous

          I think Bryce needed to “make it work” in Tim’s true usage of the phrase- he should have stuck with his original design. The color blocking would have been very on trend. And he had actually fitted his model in it on day 1, and it looked pretty decent during the fitting. 

          I am sad to see him go. I was so sure that Olivier’s disgusting comments would have landed him in the bottom and OUT but of course cute people with accents get extra points on PR.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you.  Bryce needed more time to make it fit, but I think that more time would have had him seconding guessing himself instead.

        He could use some more experience and some more confidence.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hanna-Watts/1683606598 Hanna Watts

      It’s the same as the pet shop challenge, as well.  A circle skirt.

    • Anonymous

      Let’s see: Bryce was in the bottom because his dress had “too much going on,” and Bert was there because his dress was “too simple.” Seems as if you’re damned if you do; damned if you don’t. And why wasn’t Anya dinged for “too much going on”? That negligée of hers gave me headaches!

      I will, however, allow that the fit issues on Bruce’s were auf-worthy.

    • Anonymous

      I liked the color and most of the dress.  The back was the real kicker…didn’t fit, and wasn’t neccessary.  If he’d just left it plain, the dress would be wearable.

  • Anonymous

    Bryce is out because he was the weakest designer left not because his dress was the worst.  Funny how all of the designers thought the pink was horrible but the judges really liked the color.

    Josh made a nice dress, but he made the same skirt as his tree trunk skirt which wasn’t all that either.

  • Anonymous

    PR is killing me! With each episode, the judging gets more cracktastic!  I kept wondering if, everyone had been given cray cray pills or something. First, Ms. Lisp I Can’t Remember My Fake Accent, starts it rolling with Fat comments. And rounds it off with her allergy to boobs, women who talk and just people in general. And did this while losing her accent every five seconds.  Way to go Oooooooliiiiiivvvvver! 
    Josh is given the win over Viktor! The Madness!! Josh wins with a pretty standard LBD in which his client had to wrestle him to the floor and rip his bedazler away from his hot little hands, in order to keep him from going to Tacky Land on her dress! And I wasn’t feeling the blue shoes from the Piperline Tacky wall either.
    And alas, once again Viktor was robbed. His dress was better and more interesting.  And it was the best client/design match of the night. These were just but a few of the cracky decisions that came out of last nite episode.
    Bye Bryce, although I wasn’t surprised he was auf’d, I didn’t feel it warranted some of  the judging comments. I mean come on Ms. MK, some of us women do like pockets! Even Ms. Carolina Herrera is known for placing pockets on her dresses. MK went on and on about the f’kin pockets! And lastly to Bryce, honey be glad you ain’t ever gonna have to make Ms. Spock Eyebrow’s coffee ever again!  

    • Sarah Marfiak

      I really thought that Josh’s dress BADLY NEEDED a belt, or a contrasting color of fabric at the waist, or something. I am not a fan of Blenly but I sure did think she was right about the “funereal” aspect of the dress. I don’t mind black, BELIEVE me I wear it all the time, but still you can’t slap a pair of plastic turquoise platforms under there and take what was a fairly decent cocktail dress from funeral to fun. Bronze metallic pumps? A purse? Something. It’s like he was so afraid of bedazzling it got boring as heck.

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      Honestly, I thought Viktor’s was straight out of Anthropologie. I thought Anya should have won. 

      • Anonymous

        I agree that Anya should have won.  Someone had posted earlier about the Anthropologie skirt, but I bought an almost identical skirt (the bottom band is a bit narrower) at H+M about 4 or 5 years ago.  Anya’s offering was the only thing on last night’s  runway that showed any original thinking. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

          The Model/Client was wearing an almost identical skirt when she arrived!

        • Anonymous

          I didn’t think about it until a few people pointed it out, but Viktor’s was very Anthropologie/Free People/Danielle (j/k)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1314915676 Harvard Bridges

    Viktor was robbed. Again. Why is he being ignored so much?

    • Anonymous

      Because he’s not as pretty as the other boys and doesn’t behave like Cal from Titanic except with bigger eyebrows. 

    • Anonymous

      I’ll hazard a guess that the fact that he isn’t as cute as a button or quick with a big, juicy quip are among the reasons that we aren’t seeing more of Viktor. I suspect he has a rather dry and/or understated  sense of humor that doesn’t give the editing demons as much to work with as, shall we say, Josh M., who is a veritable factory of bitchiness and MEMEMEMEM!

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      I think in the end, he’s gonna be the designer walking away with the most dignity & prospects. He got his assholity over with in the beginning, and is really coming into his own here. He’ll be alright.

      • Anonymous

        Viktor had his hissy fit at the very beginning of the season, got over it/himself and has settled down to making it work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1314915676 Harvard Bridges

    Viktor was robbed. Again. Why is he being ignored so much?

  • Michael Colvin

    I have to tell you – the fact that Viktor didn’t get the “win” because of sunglasses was beyond absurd. He made head to toe perfect outfit that was unexpected and adorable. Josh made a black dress with some lace slapped on. 

    • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

      And think about this.
      Viktor made a camisole, a blouse, a structured skirt AND a bag in the time Josh had to do his LBD.  And STILL the evil boy wins.

      • Anonymous

        And didn’t you love the colors that Viktor chose and put together in such a sophisticated manner?
        He’s really grown on me, and I really hope that he is one of the final three.

        • Anonymous

          Yes!!!  His took more thought and more design than Josh’s.  Not only was he robbed this time, last time he had to share his win with Josh.  Big fat boo to the judges.

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

          Totally!!!!
          I think he ahs shown a great range and good skills.  He deserves the final three.

  • Michael Colvin

    I have to tell you – the fact that Viktor didn’t get the “win” because of sunglasses was beyond absurd. He made head to toe perfect outfit that was unexpected and adorable. Josh made a black dress with some lace slapped on. 

  • David Albright

    This show is just the worst. Thank you Bunim Murray and your stupid stop being polite and being real crap for taking a great show and dumbing down to the level that is just slightly above Hillbilly Hand Fishing. This challenge could not have exemplified more how bad this show had become, a parade of bad clothes that could be found in any state in America and the one thing that had any interest was basically a flamenco costume.

    • Anonymous

      Wow, didn’t realize how educational T Lo’s blog is–all kinds of new vocabulary:  drama vortex, white-hot pissed, and now hillbilly hand fishing (altho’ I have no idea what it means, just sounds funny).  Thanks for the continuing education, ya’ll!

      • Anonymous

        Hillbilly Hand Fishing is actually a program on either the Animal Planet or TLC…but I have every confidence that Bunim/Murray and Lifetime could turn it into a made for Lifetime movie, along the lines of Mother, may I sleep with the fishes?

        • Judy_J

          I’ve only seen clips of Hillbilly Handfishing on The Soup.  Joel McHale has a field day with that one!

        • Pam Winters

          Incredible though it may seem, we were actually watching “Hillbilly Hand Fishing” before and after PR last night (thank you, TiVo). And it’s way more “real” seeming than what PR has become.

          Holy Siriano, I can’t believe I’m defending “Hillbilly Hand Fishing.”

          Or even typing it.

          Twice.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VBWWGHZEBKTVQMXE5SO5NCU2I Mich

        Hillbilly hand fishing is an actual show! A bunch of city folks go out to the swamps, and hillbillies teach them how to catch fish by hand. I have seen this show, and it’s oddly intriguing.

    • Anonymous

      Wow, didn’t realize how educational T Lo’s blog is–all kinds of new vocabulary:  drama vortex, white-hot pissed, and now hillbilly hand fishing (altho’ I have no idea what it means, just sounds funny).  Thanks for the continuing education, ya’ll!

    • Anonymous

      I was looking at the Bunim Murray site and I finally get why commentators here have been trashing them. This is why PR gets worse with every episode (I caved and watched last night). How the heck did Oliver get to be safe? Forget his stupid comments. That top was beyond atrocious. It looked like she’d needed surgery to get her breasts lined up evenly. Cracktastic judging again.

  • David Albright

    This show is just the worst. Thank you Bunim Murray and your stupid stop being polite and being real crap for taking a great show and dumbing down to the level that is just slightly above Hillbilly Hand Fishing. This challenge could not have exemplified more how bad this show had become, a parade of bad clothes that could be found in any state in America and the one thing that had any interest was basically a flamenco costume.

  • http://twitter.com/ILikeShiny Cindi Williams

    I try to swallow that PR Kool-Aid as much as I can so I don’t get too annoyed by all the things TLo mentioned. Even I, however, was white-hot pissed at this episode. From the sexist and sizist comments to the BOOBS BOOBS BOOBS and contrived, silly win, I choked on that Grape Bludini before it reached my esophagus sphincter.

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      ‘White-hot pissed’ – I’m going to have to add that to my vocab along with ‘Drama Vortex’!

  • http://twitter.com/ILikeShiny Cindi Williams

    I try to swallow that PR Kool-Aid as much as I can so I don’t get too annoyed by all the things TLo mentioned. Even I, however, was white-hot pissed at this episode. From the sexist and sizist comments to the BOOBS BOOBS BOOBS and contrived, silly win, I choked on that Grape Bludini before it reached my esophagus sphincter.

  • Judy_J

    I DVRd this episode and watched after one too many glasses of proseco, so I need to go back and watch it again when I can pay more attention.  I was aware enough to be annoyed by Josh’s win.  The way he pranced into the cry room after being declared the winner was irritating beyond words.  I’m sorry this show has become so predictable and scripted.  Poor Nina, indeed.  I wonder if she’ll be fed up enough to decide not to return for another season.

  • Judy_J

    I DVRd this episode and watched after one too many glasses of proseco, so I need to go back and watch it again when I can pay more attention.  I was aware enough to be annoyed by Josh’s win.  The way he pranced into the cry room after being declared the winner was irritating beyond words.  I’m sorry this show has become so predictable and scripted.  Poor Nina, indeed.  I wonder if she’ll be fed up enough to decide not to return for another season.

    • Anonymous

      Funny.  I couldn’t remember hardly any of last week’s episode.  I was blaming my husband who came home from work about 10 minutes into the show last week.  Last night it suddenly hit me – I drank a bottle of prosecco last Thursday night.  Isn’t selective memory a beautiful thing?

      • Anonymous

        I have found that it is impossible to drink anything less than the whole bottle – It calls you from the refrigerator, “Drink Me, Drink Me-e-e-e-e-e…..!  And then everything goes fuzzy.

        • Anonymous

          WISH I had gone for the proseco–had an eatathon during the show, and I never eat after dinner.  Up 2 lbs this morning from all the salt.  Wait, maybe proseco now could flush out the salt.  Bye, heading for the fridge…

    • Anonymous

      Funny.  I couldn’t remember hardly any of last week’s episode.  I was blaming my husband who came home from work about 10 minutes into the show last week.  Last night it suddenly hit me – I drank a bottle of prosecco last Thursday night.  Isn’t selective memory a beautiful thing?

  • Anonymous

    I said that same thing about the accentuated thighs and the pockets about 12 times last night. My tv didn’t listen–thank Gods you guys did.

  • Anonymous

    I actually REALLY liked Josh’s look (I wouldn’t have given it the win), but I have to say that it’s a sign of the ‘taste level’ this season that one of the remaining contenders is somebody who uses the word ‘bedazzled’ only half-jokingly.

  • Leslie Streeter

    Precious Moments (how I love your nicknames!) showed what an inexperienced moron he is, and how much he’s not aware of the trends in successful fashion. I don’t care if you’ve never seen a boob – if you can’t identify a double D as a bra cup size, you don’t know anything about clothes. And you’re sort of an idiot.
    But I did love this week’s accent. Sort of Moose and Squirrel in the South of France, no?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1248212910 Jessie Melcher Brown

      Is he the one who is a mens wear designer?  That could explain why he is unfamiliar with cup sizes.

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

        Actually Josh has done mostly menswear before.

        • Anonymous

          Actually Josh seems to have only done “Joshwear” before.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

            My “tacky of the night” vote goes to Josh (and his chest) for his unbuttoned-to-the-waistband shirt.   Perhaps he was anticipating an aftershow field trip to a disco club, but still. . .

      • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

        Actually Josh has done mostly menswear before.

      • Leslie Streeter

        You’re right. I checked. He is a menswear designer. But he went to design school, where I’m sure that fit and sizing were discussed. Also…his accent annoys me. So I didn’t give him the benefit of the doubt, 

        • Anonymous

          UGH. If he’s a menswear designer that means he has no shot of packing up next week. 

      • Leslie Streeter

        You’re right. I checked. He is a menswear designer. But he went to design school, where I’m sure that fit and sizing were discussed. Also…his accent annoys me. So I didn’t give him the benefit of the doubt, 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

        Does it matter if a contestant is a menswear designer?  He would have to have been living in a cave for the past umpteen seasons to not realize that this show is first and foremost about designing womenswear.   And every woman has a cup size, whether she’s flat as a pancake or has ’em the size of balloons.  That’s integral to the requirement of “fit” that the judges have been hammering home throughout every season.

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

          Besides, learning the art and craft of pattern making means that you should be able to pattern for ANY shape body.

        • Pam Winters

          Olivivivier was raised by a tribe of willowy males with Accent Dysphoria Disorder. He can’t help it.

          I love how Josh was trying to get everyone to feel his heart and Oli looked like someone was trying to smear something noxious on him. My husband said what he thought Oli was thinking: “I gotta touch boobs again?!”

          • Anonymous

            Did you see the part where Josh congratulated Olive for being safe because he knew he was “freaking out”, and Olive was mystified that anyone thought he was freaking out?
            “But I wasn’t…..”.  And everyone just laughs at him.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

      Thank you for identifying this week’s accent.  What threw me was that he seemed to have left the British part back at the Atlas this week.

    • muzan-e

      Breasts interfere with his design.  I’m pretty sure that this wasn’t ignorance so much as avoidance: an absolute unwillingness to learn about things that are getting in his way.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      “Sort of Moose and Squirrel in the South of France, no?”

      Yes. And now that I’m done laughing my ass off: I couldn’t for the life of me come up with a description of this week’s accent. This will do just fine.

    • Anonymous

      LOL “Moose and Squirrel…”  I will rewatch with DH (who always falls asleep on Thursdays) and be listening closely.  I think you’ve nailed…for this week.  Hey, it’s part of the suspense!  What accent will Olivierierierier be putting on this week?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Cleary/1201575213 Patrick Cleary

    I think Nina’s worse than Michael, actually. She’s supposed to be bringing trends to the forefront and predicting what’s next. Michael Kors has always had exactly one aesthetic in his collections, and that’s served him well. The fact that Nina cheerfully goes along with whatever storyline happens to be most attractive to the producers makes me think she’s willing to have her opinion bought outright much more than any of the other judges.

    • Anonymous

      Good point, and I wonder how it plays with her peers in the fashion industry.  Do they look upon Project Runway as a sitcom on which she is an actress, thus not expected to bring her actual professional judgment?  Or could it negatively impact her reputation and integrity?  Or are they not paying attention at all?  I’m not remotely close to the industry so I have no idea, but would love T & Lo’s take, or that of anyone else in the know.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure that there’s the perception at Marie Claire that having Nina on PR is good publicity.  I thought her comments were better when she was still at Elle, but that could have been influenced by less producer involvement and better designers.

  • Sobaika Mirza

    Thank you for linking the puppet reference, I had no idea what was happening with that title. It’s really dumb what the producers are doing. They’ve seemingly decided to forget about actual design-based challenges and gone with this contrived mess. Someone should remind them that the most memorable seasons were when the emphasis was on clothes.

    It’s up for debate, but for me it was the Christian Siriano/Rami/Chris March season.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GFMOZFM3WT3T56EZHVZFK7UXSI Ramon

      And don’t forget Jillian.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Now there was some talent.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Now there was some talent.

  • Anonymous

    I felt like Josh got the win for pushing outside his comfort zone. Which, okay, is probably how they justified it to themselves, but it keeps me from throwing things at my TV.

  • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

    Once again Viktor gets passed by for the win which he should have gotten in a slam dunk.  It was a top to toe great look that was on trend, beautifully made and suited both the client’s tastes and figure to a tee!.  I’m furious that Josh got the win over him for that “nice lady” cocktail dress.

    Bryce, however, clearly had lost whatever steam he had and just couldn’t bring it.  Of course that he had to scrap the first dress which would have gotten slammed for being just like every other plastron fronted dress coming down the runway this season.  So that meant he couldn’t really take time to fit it on his client.  Sorry to see him go, he’s a nice lad.

  • Anonymous

    I have a really hard time separating my annoyance at Josh’s behavior and attitude from his designs.  It is a cute dress, though not, I think, deserving of the win.  (I’d have given it to Viktor.) 

    I haven’t been this annoyed with a contestant since Princess Puffysleeves.  But while he was equally arrogant and conceited, he, unlike Josh, wasn’t mean.

    • Anonymous

      Also, Princess Puffysleeves was about 400% more talented than anyone on this season. If he were on this season, they would’ve invoked the mercy rule by now and just cut it all short. (Although I would pay a lot of money to see him and Josh deal with each other during team challenges.)

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Oh PPS totally could have taken him.  For one thing, because if you were one of those other designers, who are you going to back up: the often funny, cutting guy with a ridiculous amount of talent OR the orange ass who makes everyone want to become accountants rather than work with him?

        • Anonymous

          Speaking as an accountant, I love your comment!

    • Anonymous

      Princess Puffysleeves also had the benefit of youth. Arrogant and conceited in a 22-year-old who has lots of talent is understandable, and the sort of thing we old folks can find faintly amusing because we know time and broader experience will knock that out of someone.

      Josh is too old and whiny for me to have a lot of confidence that someday someone will knock the mean out of him. That behavior will get him ostracized by the mentally healthy people, and leave him in bad codependent relationships with emotional masochists who encourage his crap.

      • http://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com Lizzie

        Except, isn’t Josh only 25?  I don’t know if that’s all that much older, life-wise, than 22.  Also, Josh comes across as the type of person who hasn’t been told “no” a whole lot–not that that excuses his behavior, mind you, but it might explain it a bit.

        • Eclectic Mayhem

          Maybe he’s fibbing about being 25?  After all, if you think 40 is the big demarkation before death you’re probably going to want to hang out in your twenties for as long as possible!

          • http://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com Lizzie

            Entirely possible–he looks older than me (31), but on the other hand that could be the tanning.  But I think he comes across as lacking maturity in a very I’ve-just-passed-adolescence-and-therefore-know-everything way, from the “oh, I don’t own a TV” comment before the season began (not that I’m knocking people who don’t own TVs, but to proclaim such a thing in interviews preceding one’s appearance on a TV show strikes me as asshaberdashery) to the whole “people who swear are idiots with poor vocabularies” fiasco.  As I was commenting to my Person the other day, I too went through a phase where I believed that swearing was uncouth and a sign of poor vocabulary.  I’m really f*cking glad I grew out of that phase.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Well, maybe he doesn’t own a TV because he’s broke — I’ve been there a couple times.  And I’ve had some more times that I had a TV but couldn’t watch because I couldn’t get reception since I didn’t have cable or anything.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Except PPS was only 21, I think.  And he had JUST finished design school.  If you look at a kid just getting out of college against a 25 year old who has been out for a few years, there SHOULD BE a drastic difference.  Especially since Josh has talked about how he’s been in NY struggling to follow his dream — usually that kind of struggle comes with a certain flexiblity

          • Anonymous

            I think you’re correct about PPS’ age. I do believe he is also the youngest designer to win PR.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not one of those who thinks that talent excuses bad behavior.

        The age thing is interesting.  I, too, assumed that Josh was much older than PPS.  In fact, he is only 25.  

        • Anonymous

          Lilithcat, I’m in complete agreement with you as to talent not being an excuse for bad behavior.  It simply isn’t.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      And his “real woman (girl)” client was a pain in the ass all her own.  He didn’t bitch about her body so much as he bitched about her complete lack of taste — which to be fair, he had a point.  The elements she wanted were ugly.

      • Anonymous

         I’m not sure if you mean Josh’s client, who, in fact, saved him, or PPS’, to whom he caved and behaved incredibly rudely.  I’d have kicked him out that challenge for his behavior alone.  Of course, that excrescence he designed would have had him auf’ed, if not for producer manipulation.

      • Anonymous

         I’m not sure if you mean Josh’s client, who, in fact, saved him, or PPS’, to whom he caved and behaved incredibly rudely.  I’d have kicked him out that challenge for his behavior alone.  Of course, that excrescence he designed would have had him auf’ed, if not for producer manipulation.

    • tripletmom96

      i also got pretty annoyed with PPS and his arrogance, constant posing and snarky comments about other contestants — but i have to admit, the boy was/is crazy talented.  nobody in this season or any other has come close to that avant garde dress he & chris march produced.  he would have wiped the floor with josh… it would be quite an amusing spectacle to see tho…

  • Anonymous

    And how the judging played out in terms of top / bottom last night seems like sheer manipulation. I saw no reason why any of the bottom three were in the bottom three before Olivier. And it seemed Josh got the win not only for not bedazzling but also for his smart accessorizing (blue shoes). Seriously, I hate, hate, hate, how the accessories wall has now become the gold standard for the win, when some people MADE their part of their accessories (cough Viktor).

  • http://profiles.google.com/rosatcollege Ros Clarke

    I don’t need a screencap to want to slap Josh, but thanks anyway.  I really hate that dress of his.  It looks fussy and mumsy and old-fashioned.  I have no idea why Viktor isn’t being allowed to win challenges.  He’s awesome.

    And, I would wear Bryce’s dress.  I have hips and thighs and I don’t care.  It’s a cute colour and a comfortable shape.

    • Pam Winters

      I wouldn’t wear it because of my build, but I thought it looked good on the client and might have looked great if it had been better made. If he had started with this dress and taken the time to do it well, I wonder whether the outcome would have been different? Given that they used to kick off people like Barbie Robert for making really nice but unoriginal clothes, I hate to see innovative ideas get shot down these days.

  • http://twitter.com/foodhussy foodhussy

    I liked the pockets on the pink dress – most of the time those awful things that the designers do are right on the hips and that’s horrible! But this is a little lower which I thought was cute! For pete’s sake if you say “the wedding dress with pockets” most women know exactly the dress you’re talking about! 

    Although I did spit Mt Dew when he said you could fit a dog in the pockets. 

    And yes – Ms Clinique Counter did redeem herself – a bit. And Bert keeps getting likable again.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

    I don’t know.  PR has been on for so long that it does start to feel tired.  9 seasons into ANYTHING is a long time.  Seinfeld, MASH, Cheers, I could go on.  But, I think what starts to happen in EVERY season of PR is that once the also-rans get eliminated, the judges still have to send home someone every week, and the differences between the output from the contestants become less and less.  But, they have to justify it AND try to make it entertaining.  They can’t just say, hey Bryce, you haven’t done anything too impressive and this thing fits poorly, so you’re gone.  So you get Michael Kors kvetching about the pockets and what not.  And the closer you get to the finalists, the more arbitrary the aufs are.

    But, I still like it alright as a show.  Some seasons are better than others–this one is kinda of a middle of the pack one for me.  But it is still a show about having to produce a wearable garment on a short time schedule, and it still amazes me what people churn out.  My husband has the best attitude for the show.  He dismisses all of the obvious reality show elements as obvious and not worth getting annoyed about and enjoys critiquing the outfits.  And, hey, this is a show we both can agree to watch.  I thought he would lose his mind when I was watching the show Ruby on the Style network.

    • scottyf

      I absolutely agree with your analysis. And I think your husband and I have a similar attitude about viewing the show.

      The issue for me–and what I hear others saying–is that there is less and less time to spend critiquing the outfits. My procedure for watching the show now is to look at the beginning to make sure I understand the premise; go away for 35 minutes or so while the manufactured drama happens, and then watch the runway. That’s why I don’t participate as much in TLOunge. I literally…LITERALLY get sick to my stomach looking at Josh M. now. I actually get queasy and have to turn away. He may be a very nice guy in real life, but the sight of him does something harmful deep in my soul. I don’t want to watch 35 minutes of him. Or of a sweet kid like Olivier getting such a fucked-up edit. Did he say some stupid stuff last night? Of course he did. But I’m not going to start Olivier hating because i know much of it was the result of youth and of specific producer-asked questions during his confessionals. A producer and editor in a control room can make ANYONE look like crap (Even my Geriatric GQ Hunk, Bert).

      It used to be so much fun seeing how designers would creatively tackle a problem they found in a challenge. I would often learn techniques to improve my sewing. At least last night–even with all the stereotypical husband input–there was more of that. Kimberly’s explanation of style lines is a good example. For me it just sucks that the producers feel more viewers tune in for the drama than for the design elements.

      I’m with your husband about Ruby. I have a couple of relatives that watched it religiously. God bless you all. I wish her all the best, but for me that game was over even before the fat lady sung.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I totally agree with you about Olivier. Yes, he said some really stupid things in this episode. A few were even insulting. But he’s not the first designer to freak out over a non-model sized client, and he wasn’t the only one who did it in this episode. That doesn’t make it right, but he was also no more wrong than anyone else. I really believe that, despite Olivier having lived in several countries throughout his life, he’s not particularly sophisticated or worldly. He very sheltered and naive; and quite young, even for his age. I can’t and won’t jump on the hating-Olivier train.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

        Too funny, Scotty.  Our habit is to Tivo PR and watch it when the kids are all in bed.  Last night, my husband saw about 5 minutes at the beginning, then left for the store because we were out of beer (the horror!).  I thought about pausing it for him and then thought, oh, he won’t care.  He gets back and comments that the runway is the important part, anyway.  So, I think we’ve hit on your point–skip the middle stuff.  Could we all be super annoyed primarily because they’ve extended it to and hour and a half and added in that middle drama?

        • scottyf

          Okay. So your husband likes Project Runway AND knows the importance of always having beer on hand.

          PLEASE tell me he has a gay twin that I can meet.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

            I WISH.  He has a brother who’s pretty cool, but he’s coupled up.  His group of guy friends are the absolute worst–no one worth setting up with anyone, gay or straight, which he readily admits.  Now, I do know I very cute oboe player, however….

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

            I WISH.  He has a brother who’s pretty cool, but he’s coupled up.  His group of guy friends are the absolute worst–no one worth setting up with anyone, gay or straight, which he readily admits.  Now, I do know I very cute oboe player, however….

          • Anonymous

            Don’t take her up on it! I have always heard that most oboe players are crazy and my first hand observation bears this out!

        • Anonymous

          They’ve also added really loooooooooooooonggg commercial breaks. I flip to something else during the commercials, and in the middle I’m not rushing to get back and see if PR is off the break, but when I do I’m surprised how often I’ve missed nothing at all.

      • Anonymous

        Another member of the 30 minute break club!  I can brush my teeth, wash my face, slap on night cream, check my email and still not miss a thing!

      • Anonymous

        I agree about wanting to learn more about design! Besides the style lines the only other thing we have learned about design this season is that you MUST cut on grain, but of course, they probably only included it because it was part of Fallene’s ensuing nervous breakdown.

        I used to enjoy the creativity and design process in the show… now we get to the runway and I dont even know what some of the designers’ garments look like because the whole middle part was centered on someone crying in the bathroom or gossiping in the break room.

        Forget why Nina stays on the show, why in high hell does Tim stay on? I still respect him a lot, but he’s stopped making those videos where he tells us what he really thinks of each episode. I guess the money is great but I really wish someone would give him his own show and not cancel it.

        • Anonymous

          I was hoping with the extra half hour, we would see more designing, cutting, draping, patternmaking and construction…not less.  Seems like when it was on Bravo, and an hour, we saw much more of the nuts and bolts (and stitching) than we do now. :-(

        • Anonymous

          I was hoping with the extra half hour, we would see more designing, cutting, draping, patternmaking and construction…not less.  Seems like when it was on Bravo, and an hour, we saw much more of the nuts and bolts (and stitching) than we do now. :-(

        • Anonymous

          I was hoping with the extra half hour, we would see more designing, cutting, draping, patternmaking and construction…not less.  Seems like when it was on Bravo, and an hour, we saw much more of the nuts and bolts (and stitching) than we do now. :-(

    • Pam Winters

      Do they have to be so damn obvious in the editing? Bryce hasn’t won a challenge and misses his boyfriend–so he’s either winning or going home.

      You make a good point. I thought that none of the clothes were terrible last night (OK, I had serious problems with Anya’s dress because I used to have a similar bathrobe, albeit with matching sleeves) and it was probably harder to pick winners and losers. Which made them rely even more on the stuff they won’t talk about (Anya’s teacher’s-pet-ness, Bryce’s previous missteps, Bert’s redemption arc).

  • Candice Richardson

    Viktor was robbed. Period.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JSTXMWWVZN2QNP2UEKJMTWD7U Isabel

      And he will be robbed once more. Betcha that Viktor’s designs are in MK’s collection for the next season!

  • Anonymous

    Actually despite all the contriveness, I was entertained. I was annoyed by Josh’s win but I was pleasantly surprised by Malin Ackerman as a judge. Yes her perspective was from would “I wear that dress in public on the RC” but it was refreshing that she was actually elaborating in terms of fit, style, conform level and risk.

  • Anonymous

    Michael Kors used to be amusing. Now he just thinks he’s amusing. Some of his one liners sound like they come from a random word generator that contains only a few words, like disco, hooker, bridesmaid, and Halloween. Apparently bar mitzvah and 80 year old great aunt were taken out of the rotation. He’s really become very unappealing.

    • Anonymous

      AKA, his one liners sound like they’re written by Groupon employees. 

      • Leslie Streeter

        Ha! So true. At my sister’s bridal shower last year, they had one of those games where you make a wedding dress out of toilet paper, and as the judge, my sister did half of her critiques as Michael and half as Nina. And almost all of the Michael comments involved disco or great aunts.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Groupon! Hahahahahahahaahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      You forgot Thanksgiving Pageant.

    • Anonymous

      Just what I was thinking about his spiel when commenting in the lounge – you just said it better.

  • Anonymous

    To give credit where it is due, you guys make it sound like the producers wrote the script for the judges, when I think it is selective editing that turns Nina’s “one nice thing about your work before I point out twelve awful things” into her only snippet on the show.

    • Anonymous

      Can’t speak 1st hand, of course, but I read an interview with a contestant from another “reality” show who said the judges were given lines to say, and there were multiple camera takes to get the inflection just right.

  • Gary Cox

    I bet there are Malls all over America selling Michael Kors designs. Where does he expect women to shop. The Jaclyn Smith collection at Kmart is getting a little tired, Missoni at Target sold out in minutes. I doubt he has heard of Walmart (lucky man).

    • Anonymous

      If not for his stint on PR–which made him a household name–I suspect that Kors would be clamoring to do a line for Target or Kohl’s or even K-Mart.  Hell, prior to PR he sold his goods on QVC.

    • Anonymous

      If not for his stint on PR–which made him a household name–I suspect that Kors would be clamoring to do a line for Target or Kohl’s or even K-Mart.  Hell, prior to PR he sold his goods on QVC.

  • Gary Cox

    I bet there are Malls all over America selling Michael Kors designs. Where does he expect women to shop. The Jaclyn Smith collection at Kmart is getting a little tired, Missoni at Target sold out in minutes. I doubt he has heard of Walmart (lucky man).

  • Anonymous

    I feel like writing a eulogy for my beloved PR.
    If I could have one wish in the world right now it would to be lock myself in a room for a weekend watching all the past seasons of PR with a bottle of wine, some guaca-salsa and read through all the archived T Lo posts! Seriously, I feel so cheated that I only found y’all this season (I was a T Lo virgin!). Thank you for making my days brighter while I’m in mourning!

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      I wholly endorse your idea of watching and then going through TLo’s archived posts. I can’t think of Austin Scarlett without thinking of the “Blackglama” screencap the boys put up a few years ago. But pace yourself. You don’t want to gorge yourself on tiramisu so fast that you don’t appreciate what makes it fabulous!

    • Anonymous

      Don’t think the rest of us haven’t done this a time or two.  Actually, TLo didn’t start blogging until Season 3 (with the appearance of the fabulous Laura Bennett), so we all got to go back and “catch up” as they recapped the “past”.  That’s also the first season that I discovered PR. (I immediately ordered Seasons 1 and 2 on DVD.)

    • Anonymous

      Don’t think the rest of us haven’t done this a time or two.  Actually, TLo didn’t start blogging until Season 3 (with the appearance of the fabulous Laura Bennett), so we all got to go back and “catch up” as they recapped the “past”.  That’s also the first season that I discovered PR. (I immediately ordered Seasons 1 and 2 on DVD.)

  • Anonymous

    I feel like writing a eulogy for my beloved PR.
    If I could have one wish in the world right now it would to be lock myself in a room for a weekend watching all the past seasons of PR with a bottle of wine, some guaca-salsa and read through all the archived T Lo posts! Seriously, I feel so cheated that I only found y’all this season (I was a T Lo virgin!). Thank you for making my days brighter while I’m in mourning!

  • Anonymous

    Kukla, Fran & Ollie, indeed! Watching PR these days takes me back to my youth on Saturday afternoons watching that show. It’s ridiculous beyond words. I cannot wait until this season is over. The designers are all mediocre at best and the judging has entered a new realm of inconsistency, hypocrisy and boorishness. I really liked Josh’s dress, but there’s no way it should have won over Viktor Luna’s look, or Anya’s (SLEEVE!).

    • Anonymous

      I was born in 1971, so I missed it, but I’m from Chicago so at least I knew who Kukla, Fran & Ollie were.  I just assumed the live TV was lost forever, but apparently there are some episodes on DVD!

      http://www.youtube.com/user/kfodvd

  • Anonymous

    I would have hoped that an episode that was mercifully low on dramatic interaction between bitchy designers would be more pleasant to watch.  But noooooo….. Seriously, the “caveman” aspect to this whole thing was appalling.  And the lack of proffessionalism shown by some of the designers was even worse. (yes, Precious Moments, I mean YOU!) but he was far from alone.  And the judges…. OMG!  It’s just becoming a joke to listen to them try and justify the producers insane reasoning.  This show is just running off the rails this season and it is no ones fault but the producers.
    And I am quite sure I saw josh’s dress at Steinmart last week.

  • Anonymous

    I would have hoped that an episode that was mercifully low on dramatic interaction between bitchy designers would be more pleasant to watch.  But noooooo….. Seriously, the “caveman” aspect to this whole thing was appalling.  And the lack of proffessionalism shown by some of the designers was even worse. (yes, Precious Moments, I mean YOU!) but he was far from alone.  And the judges…. OMG!  It’s just becoming a joke to listen to them try and justify the producers insane reasoning.  This show is just running off the rails this season and it is no ones fault but the producers.
    And I am quite sure I saw josh’s dress at Steinmart last week.

  • Anonymous

    I agree completely with the comments about PR and the rdiculous cliche’d comments about BOOBS. Bert’s guy was just plain embarrassing and they even had the OMG a D cup” comment for Tim and Oliviereie to respond to. It was over the top and embarrassing. I think Bryce deserved to go, only because the dress was poorly fit. The design itself was fine and I liked the color. I did a terrible job on the fit and he hasn’t done anything really outstanding thus far. And you are right, the producers are so overly involved now it’s ridiculous. They blew an entire season of one liners for Michael Kors last night.

  • Anonymous

    I agree completely with the comments about PR and the rdiculous cliche’d comments about BOOBS. Bert’s guy was just plain embarrassing and they even had the OMG a D cup” comment for Tim and Oliviereie to respond to. It was over the top and embarrassing. I think Bryce deserved to go, only because the dress was poorly fit. The design itself was fine and I liked the color. I did a terrible job on the fit and he hasn’t done anything really outstanding thus far. And you are right, the producers are so overly involved now it’s ridiculous. They blew an entire season of one liners for Michael Kors last night.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7JMAFJGRETO2ZRETWOH6LGH52Y Aaron

    Some of them did look like something you could buy in a store; however Josh’s looked better than the others. Anthony’s red and blue looked like a little girls’ sailor uniform and Bruce’s looked like the same as his other dresses. Bryce’s did not fit and by this time in PR the designer should have the fit and execution of a dress down.

    • Anonymous

      I thought that Anthony Ryan’s and Bert’s were the same dress, different fabrics.  Bert did a better fabric choice, but overall, no great shakes from either of them.

      • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

        I can’t…for the life of me….even REMEMBER Anthony’s dress….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7JMAFJGRETO2ZRETWOH6LGH52Y Aaron

    Some of them did look like something you could buy in a store; however Josh’s looked better than the others. Anthony’s red and blue looked like a little girls’ sailor uniform and Bruce’s looked like the same as his other dresses. Bryce’s did not fit and by this time in PR the designer should have the fit and execution of a dress down.

  • Anonymous

    I like Bryce a lot, and it’s a bummer he had to go, but I think he was ready to just stop getting shat on. It seems like he felt overwhelmed and down on himself and was just ready for it all to be over. I actually really appreciated his exit interview because he was the one designer who strayed from the “I think I’m great!” script and admitted he just wasn’t ready for the pressure of the show. I think there are still a couple of designers left who have a lot of potential but are kind of getting PWNed by the stress of the show itself (I just hope A.R. snaps out of it before Olivier does because I really don’t want him to go home, wah).

  • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

    While I liked CliniqueCounter’s dress, I wished the front of the pinafore was brought south about an inch or so. It was over-sweet where it was, like something Maria VonTrapp would have worn to a Vienna strip club. But overall, I thought it was a good effort and looked great on the client.

    Bryce Black’s House of Housecoats pink confection reminded me of Anya’s winning dress last week, except the fit was atrocious and didn’t have the benefit of interesting print mixtures. Or a steamer. He even employed the same belt twisted in the same way. I really hate that band across the bottom too. Ugh. It was time to put Bryce out of his misery. I’ve been bored by his designs since the second challenge. To his credit, he didn’t seem proud of his Project Runway output either.

  • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

    While I liked CliniqueCounter’s dress, I wished the front of the pinafore was brought south about an inch or so. It was over-sweet where it was, like something Maria VonTrapp would have worn to a Vienna strip club. But overall, I thought it was a good effort and looked great on the client.

    Bryce Black’s House of Housecoats pink confection reminded me of Anya’s winning dress last week, except the fit was atrocious and didn’t have the benefit of interesting print mixtures. Or a steamer. He even employed the same belt twisted in the same way. I really hate that band across the bottom too. Ugh. It was time to put Bryce out of his misery. I’ve been bored by his designs since the second challenge. To his credit, he didn’t seem proud of his Project Runway output either.

  • Anonymous

    TLo, I’m under 50 and I know the reference from re-runs, Darlings. It made me giggle, so thanks for that. And as usual, your recap is spot on. Nina’s face reveals all…

  • Anonymous

    TLo, I’m under 50 and I know the reference from re-runs, Darlings. It made me giggle, so thanks for that. And as usual, your recap is spot on. Nina’s face reveals all…

  • BuffaloBarbara

    The challenge was beyond weird.  Some of the guys didn’t seem like complete dolts, but most of them seemed to have been picked just to reinforce the ideas that (a) straight guys don’t get all that “clothes” stuff, (b) women are dollies who are there to be dressed up by the people playing with them, and (c) boobies are icky.

    I thought Josh deserved his win. It was a cute LBD.  Granted, not world-shaking, but cute, and the two they picked beside it had much bigger problems–the reason the silhouette Anya used isn’t very usual is that it’s not very flattering, and Viktor’s, while adorable as itself, came off kind of costumey, like “Banana Barbie addresses the jury.”  So, good job, Vortex, and you even managed to not scream at your clients.  That skill will serve you well as you go out into the world.

    Bryce?  It was a sad little dress.  If it’s on trend, the trend is bad.  I do want pockets, and wish more designers would incorporate them into decent looks, but big kangaroo pouches aren’t cool.

    Olivier definitely needs a dressing-down, and some forced time in the real world, where the point of clothing is to be worn on bodies, not to hang prettily off of hangers.  (I think what bothered me is that it was obvious that he was spouting stuff he’d learned in the course of studying fashion about how to choose models, and instead of correcting him by pointing out that dressing a body is a basic part of the art of fashion, and if you ignore the body, you’ve already lost… they just had one minute of a woman at Mood explaining cup sizes.  Which you’d think, really, that design school graduates would have been briefed on at some point.  And Tim wasn’t helpful or particularly sympathetic, either.

    • Anonymous

      I actually loved Tim’s response to Olivier. I suspect he was deflecting the question because he couldn’t believe (a) that Precious Moments had to ask it, (b) that PM was asking it of someone who their design mentor, not their sewing instructor, and (c) to force PM to interact with an actual woman.

      If I had a question about jock straps, I would ask a man. Olivier is obviously naive in the extreme, but with that question, he demonstrated that he might be kind of stupid, too.

    • Anonymous

      I still feel that in what is ostensibly a design competition a little bit of costume is a good thing.

    • Anonymous

      I still feel that in what is ostensibly a design competition a little bit of costume is a good thing.

  • http://twitter.com/RozSeven Roz

    I turn PR off after the runway show. An hour is all I can stand and the judging makes me mournful for Bravo Network days. I get all the info/snark/ I need here the next day! Thanks TLo for making that possible.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously you guys should make a Michael Kors Random phrase generator and put it up on the site. You could backfill it with all the words he’s used over the seasons and allow it to spit out a phrase randomly using those words. Do it. It would be great fun.

    • Anonymous

      I love that idea so much.  It is brilliant. xoxoxox

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      It looks like a disco .

    • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

      Michael Kors IS a random phrase generator at this point.

    • muzan-e

      I can’t watch him anymore without remembering the shrill “slutty slutty slutty!” caption of him, a few seasons ago. It ruined last night’s episode in all the best ways. *g*

  • http://twitter.com/meg_a_wo_man Megs

    I watched this episode this morning, and as soon as the top and bottom was announced I closed the browser.  First, I thought the three that were called first, were in the bottom, I liked them least.  Then when the top and bottom was separated, I was floored, really judges??  

    IMO Anya’s dress looked like a train wreck, Josh was boring, and Victor had the win.  Color me surprised to see that the boring black dress took home the gold! Additionally, while I completely understand that it was time for Bryce to go, I thought that dress was a great idea, and would wear it myself, pink and all.

  • Anonymous

    MAYBE the judges awarded the win to Josh because he used superhuman self restraint and delivered what his clients wanted.  MAYBE they denied Viktor because of his over-accessorizing (I guess it was a little busy even though it was adorable), or because he didn’t realize on his own that it worked way better with short sleeves.  In any event, I’m picking Josh, Anya and Viktor for the top three.

    Because Oilier delivered an attractive garment in spite of having less-than-zero people skills, he couldn’t get the auf this time.  But his time is coming.

    Bryce on the other hand was still around a few weeks after his expiration date.  If he had used the time to create a dress his client loved out of the fabric that she loved, the judges might have overlooked the color that Bryce hated.  Instead he dyed the fabric, made a first dress which he scrapped, and ended up with something that looked like my 4th grade Home Ec project that fell apart on the runway.  It may have contained trendy elements, but it was not done well.

    • Anonymous

      I agree that the judges saw that Josh put himself into restraints and really paid attention to his client’s wishes.  For a client-based challenge that is a valid criterion.

      Yes, Bryce had stayed past his sell-by date.  In some way it must have been a relief to him to finally be off the show and no longer subject to soul-kiling critiques. 

    • Anonymous

      Definitely agree that Viktor and Anya will be in the finals . . .  they seem to have the strongest design sophistication, sensibility and point of view .  .  .  Josh — only so in a Heatherette kind of perspective. 

  • http://sharpandkeen.wordpress.com/ katie

    I just realized that this is the third circle skirt Josh has made. 

  • Anonymous

    Josh reined in–hard–wasn’t bad, but hardly stellar.  It was just Bryce’s time to go, but this wasn’t the dress to send him to the workroom.  We’ll get to it, I know, but this was Viktor’s win.  Was shocked to hear the “it’s new, it’s unique” about Anya’s–while a nice entry, she does floaty, unfitted all the time (i.e., see her finale collection).  Oliviererererer should have gone on principle alone, even if he was dressing a look-alike of the Housewives of Tacky.

  • Anonymous

    You know how some famous people need (pardon the phrase) some “really good Gays” to help them with their look?  Michael Kors needs a – a – I don’t know – an old jewish comedian?  to help him not sound like a drama school asshole who’s trying too hard to be funny.  He needs to shut the hell up and make clothes.  When did he start thinkng he was witty?

    • Anonymous

      Maybe he’s trying to be the WASP Joan Rivers?  Speaking of which, can you just imagine Joan as a guest judge?  Actually, when the show finally comes to an end, that’s what they should do, have Joan in as guest judge and let her rip.  Might as well go out with a bang!

      • Anonymous

        Michael Kors’ mother is jewish.  The bar mitzvah references are probably drawn from his experiences with his relatives.  

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Ha! They can only do that if they don’t censor her. She’s hilarious on Fashion Police, but sometimes there are so many bleeps I can’t figure out what she’s saying.

        Joan Rivers as a guest judge on PR is worthy of Pay-Per-View.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        That might well be my favorite guest judge suggestion ever!  And can you see Joan reading producer lines?  She’d agree to it until the judging itself, and then all bets would be off.  By that point they’d have no choice but to keep her as the judge anyway:) 

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        That might well be my favorite guest judge suggestion ever!  And can you see Joan reading producer lines?  She’d agree to it until the judging itself, and then all bets would be off.  By that point they’d have no choice but to keep her as the judge anyway:) 

        • Anonymous

          Well, she could be contractually obligated to read the producer lines, and she probably would not want to screw with a pay day, technically.  But I can’t imagine the contract covering all the myriad of eyeball rolling, faux gag reflexing, comic timing, and all the wonderful Joanie ways of conveying, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!

          And, yes, definitely Pay-Per-View.  Ah, I know it’s not gonna happen, but it’s kind of fun to contemplate.  Nothing wrong with a little farce to balance out the drama, drama, drama.

    • Anonymous

      Girl, you made me laugh out loud!

    • Anonymous

      Girl, you made me laugh out loud!

    • muzan-e

      I’m pretty sure that last night, he was playing Tyra Banks of America’s Next Top Dressmaker. Exceptionally weird.

  • Anonymous

    I dunno, I thought the big guy who had lost his wife’s dress was kinda sweet, wanting to see it re-created.

    I don’t mind Josh for the win, much as I was hoping to see him implode, because yeah, he sews and fits amazingly, and he listened to his clients.

    Bryce was due to go home, but I totally agree he got uber-smacked for all the wrong reasons. I still would have auf’ed him simply on the basis of the crappy construction–everyone else, even Olivier, managed to get their garment to passably fit their model–but I’m sure if Olivier or Anya (or Josh, who is a producers’ pet, if not a judges’ pet) had made that dress, they wouldn’t have been sent home.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Yeah, I hated Anthony Ryan’s dress, but I loved that it was a copy of her favorite dress that her husband had lost and I was really glad he wasn’t punished for it:)

  • Anonymous

    I was mightily offended at how offensive the judges’ comments were to the client-models.  I don’t recall the judges being this snotty and condescending in previous seasons’ ‘dress-someone-other-than-a-model challenges.  For the sake of the one-liners that aren’t all that doggone clever and seem far too forced, they INSULTED those women and their menfolk, time and time again.  The fact that the clients & consorts took it with good grace might be that they are better bred than the judges, or maybe there was some editing to remove some justifiable push-back.  In any event, I thought the judging remarks were ad hominem and uncalled for

    The clients/consorts defended their choices, and the judges mostly said “You have no taste.”  How kind.

    This show has really gone far off the rails, and I think Our Boys’ post indicates that they think it has, too.

    Too, too bad.  Lifetime, you’ve ruined what was an intriguing and engrossing reality and talent competition show with overt, ham-handed manipulation.  I hope reviews pillory you for this travesty.

    • Anonymous

      Am hitting like over and over again.  Plus you used the word “pillory” which I always like. 

      • Anonymous

        Thanks, BWGP!  I also think that Oliver made the same doggone look he’s made time and time again – pale fabrics, a lot of origami folding.  The producers must have been salivating when he moaned about anatomy.  He looked and sounded ridiculous and – as many have noted – ignorant and offiensive.

        If Lifetime and Bunum Murray’s goal is to make most of the contestants appear foolish, they’ve succeeded.  That, however, is not what the them of this show was supposed to be.  I find more than a measure of cruelty being transmitted over the airwaves now on Project Runway, and I don’t like that at all.

        • Anonymous

          I knew I couldn’t be the only viewer who noticed that asymmetric, origami-like detail on the top that Olivieireieiere made for his client.

          PR has sadly degenerated from its origins under the Magical Elves on Bravo to this hot mess under Bunim/Murray.

    • Anonymous

      this!!! I was appalled at how the clients were treated on the runway.  The catty laugh between Nina and Malin on the “shiny” dress made me feel terrible. Who the hell is Malin Ackerman?? 

      • Mary McClelland

        my husband asked that and then he said – wait what the hell is Heidi wearing and that other judge in the red dress. And he doesn’t know shorts from skorts from capris from skirts. 

    • muzan-e

      I could deal with most of it. You expect a certain degree of minor-league snobbery, right, being as how these are Fashion People and they’re working with Ordinaries.  But when a couple explains that the woman once owned and loved a dress just like the new one…. and the judges savage that design?

      Beyond tasteless and right into assholery.

      • Mary McClelland

        Yeah, I agreed. she looked crushed as they were making fun of it and even AR looked really hurt for them.  I mean he did go too far in trying to please his clients, but he did it out the goodness of his heart not to score with a sob story and a touching tender moment.  The clients loved it and now this poor girl has been told she has vintage cheerleader, liitle girl, retirement home, bad, tacky vintage, no sex appeal taste in clothes.  They did the same thing to Bryce’s model who was so sweet and thrilled her boyfriend knew to ask for a pink dress.  Bryce got over-whelmed in details and it flopped, but it wasn’t his client’s failing to like something that was custom made for their ideas.  Making fun of her for the pockets as she was trying to defend the designer she formed a relationship with was grotesque.  I am really appalled by Michael and Heidi on this one.  Nina at least kept it mostly professional and pointed out the garments and the designers flaws with construction or implementation instead of savaging the nice models. 

         

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I don’t think non-models should be on the runway during judging.  EVER.  Some of those women may legitimately have no taste, and the judges do have to say negative things when warranted, but why make them stand and listen to it?  They saw the clothes, they don’t need them standing in front of them!

      • Anonymous

        Agreed, especially when the couple’s language–both verbal and non-verbal–indicated their ongoing emotions regarding the dress. When she said, “The dress was lost,” and they glanced at one another–he guiltily and she reassuringly–the judges should have shut their quip-holes or made some positive comments about the fit.

        • Anonymous

          “Quip hole”  Yay!  I must use that in a sentence.  I’ve been over-using pie-hole. :-)

    • Anonymous

      I genuinely felt sad for the clients whose designs were in the bottom three. All of them actually seemed happy with the designs, enjoyed having a turn on the runway, and then they have to listen to Kors, etal snark.

      And, thank you for using the world pillory!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

      Thank you.  I truly felt horrible for those clients.   I hope Olivier’s disdain for the situation (and his clients) didn’t come across to them as overtly as it did on television.    The bottom line for me regarding these contestants’ attitudes is that unless they’ve been living in a cave on a remote island since PR started, they must know what they signed up for, so they need to suck it up and make it work or let someone with talent, adaptability and versatility have their spot in the workroom.

    • Mary McClelland

      ME TOO! It horrified me! 

    • Anonymous

      Thank you, I thought this too. Exactly–”you have no taste.”

    • Anonymous

      Absolutely!!!!!!!!! The judges comments were so disrespectful of these women. Bryce’s model, who is flat out Gorgeous looked like she wanted to cry. Dis the fit or whatever but after she said she liked the pockets and were great for a cell phone, they had to take it to big enough for a “puppy” ???????. THey could have at least took the sting away by telling her how gorgeous she is. Lost my hilarity over the episode at this point.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        For instance, if they wanted to talk about the pockets, the appropriate way to do so would have been to say, “Those pockets are a bad idea.  They are too open to effectively hold things and they add bulk to your model’s thighs.  It certainly doesn’t make the most of her lovely figure, and if she wasn’t such a beautiful woman to begin with, this dress would be a total disaster.” 

        I don’t freaking talk for a living, yet I manage to be polite in about 10 seconds — how hard is this?!?

        • Anonymous

          I wholeheartedly agree that they could have chosen their words more carefully to provide constructive critiques to the bottom three designers.  Sadly, thoughtful and polite critiques are not what the editing demons want for this show.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      I thought Heidi was the worst one when she was “explaining” fashion to one of the contestants, I do not remember which one, and finished in a very condescending tone, “No, you don’t!” I was utterly flabbergasted with the combination of that comment and the tone of voice. It was very rude.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      I thought Heidi was the worst one when she was “explaining” fashion to one of the contestants, I do not remember which one, and finished in a very condescending tone, “No, you don’t!” I was utterly flabbergasted with the combination of that comment and the tone of voice. It was very rude.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M2PXKBMV7NJBBEXEL2KHAO2UU4 Martha Stickle

    Why need there be a producer-funded conspiracy afoot?  This narrative I have never found wholly persuasive, especially given that it always emerges in TLo-land (or rather, more precisely, among its rulers) in the service of defending Nina at some level (i.e. that she has a clear vision that the producers persistently countermand).  Occam’s Razor suggests that the more likely case is that she has no legitimate or reasonable or well-thought-out beliefs regarding fashion, a lack of thoughtfulness that befits, after all, someone whose job is just one step above charlatanism, than that she has a carefully considered set of aesthetic principles that the show’s producers force her to violate.  When she came out with the risible complaint that “there are too many design elements” in Bryce’s dress, I wanted to slug her through my teevee screen.  I find it hard to believe that anyone other than Nina contrived this BS critique, even as she might have felt pushed toward it by some producer-judge consensus to want to oust Bryce.  By any of the show’s ostensible standards, either Kimberly (good grief that was ugly!) or Anthony Ryan or Bert should have taken the walk of shame to the sewing room last night.

    • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

      It’s not really a conspiracy, nor is it an idea that came out of our imaginations. It’s right there in the credits at the end every week for nine seasons that the producers have input and final say as to who stays and who goes home.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M2PXKBMV7NJBBEXEL2KHAO2UU4 Martha Stickle

        I take your point–of course it’s producer-driven.  I am merely unconvinced that Nina is really outside the producer-driven consensus; nothing she has ever said, in nine years of judging, has led me to see her as the voice of reason or fashion sense, and so nothing leads me to think her better instincts are being thwarted.  This is probably, I’ll be the first to admit, a personal thing.  She has always struck me as vastly overrated, not least by TLo.  For a blog with a legendary (and well-earned) reputation for cutting through the crap with a rapier wit and gimlet eye, you can be awfully generous toward Nina, willing to overlook her glaring shortcomings as she assesses the design that parades down that runway.

        • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

          We think you’re somewhat overstating our defense of Nina. In fact, we don’t even feel like we’re defending her that much; just pointing out that she’s the only one of the three who can’t keep her annoyance off her face.

    • Anonymous

      I can’t speak for TLo, but the only other explanation is that the judges have undergone brain transplants.

      Compare their comments and consistency in the first seasons to the last three. This current season is the most cracktastic and arbitrary of all.

      And aside from the judges, the challenges themselves have been shit from a can. Laughable challenges with inconsistent directions and standards… I keep thinking that the designers this season are all just awful, but at least four of them turned out collections that are as good as the finalist collections from previous seasons. This says to me that the talent pool probably isn’t as shitty as it looks–they’re just handicapped by the awful production.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        People forget that a lot of the fun of PR was in not-so-very-talented designers — I mean, there was a lot of fun to be had in bashing Vincent or Wendy.  I don’t think it’s that the talent level has dropped so much as it has evened out.  Now you don’t get a Christian or a Jay, but you don’t get a Vincent either.  Which makes me sad.  I’d much rather watch some wacko make total awful clothes and get the drama from there than a bunch of middling designers make fairly conventional designs and act ugly for drama’s sake.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      First of all, that’s not a comment that you ONLY find here — go to any non-Lifetime affiliated site and you’ll find the same thing.  And it’s not a new critique either; people have been complaining about producer interference for ages. 

      Secondly, there have been times that TLo has pretty clearly defended the judges against complaints of producer manipulation, such as last season with Gretchen.  They said they could easily believe that Nina and MK’s opinions were their own. 

      Third, you don’t think there is producer interference?  Google Tim Gunn, PR season 5, and producer — he gave multiple interviews saying that the producers interfered heavily in the last season on Bravo, pushing Kenley forward for drama.

      And Nina wasn’t some girl off the street when PR began; she had a career in fashion before that, working for Elle.  Which means at the very least, she does know what happening in fashion at a given moment and is capable of spotting trends.

  • Anonymous

    As I watched the judging last night I was also so incredibly frustrated with what they were saying.  You guys have to be right about the  producers as puppeteers here.  I can’t see any way that Josh’s dress wasn’t just as “department store” as Bert’s.  I really thought Viktor had this one in the bag – was perfection (and I don’t usually like his designs).  I’m so sad because the show just really seems to have lost itself somehow.  Maybe that is the reality with “reality” shows – they have a very clear shelf life.

  • http://twitter.com/boricuaintexas Ingrid

    Viktor was robbed.  This was his win.

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      Even with his *actual* win, he was robbed. Damn this show.

  • http://twitter.com/RockShrimp Willow

    The best part of this entire episode is that the one dude did NOT propose on the runway. I was all ready to scream at my TV and he actually surprised me by not being a dofus.

    • Anonymous

      As someone blissfully single by choice, that struck me as the height of rudeness, (and there were plenty of other  rude comments made).  I’m sure Heidi thought she was being cute, as if everyone’s goal ought to be to get married as soon as possible and breed a brood of children.  NOT charming.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I don’t know what may have been said that was edited out, though, so maybe there was a reason. 

        But proposing on TV is never a good idea — she might say no just because you ASKED HER ON TV!  I would, it’d be embarrassing and not a moment I wanted to share with the world!

  • Anonymous

    Olivierina tweeted:

    oliviergreen Olivier Green It was so loud I will have to watch it again tomorrow morning. I think I said so many crazy things I don’t even remember saying lol8 hours ago Favorite Retweet Replyoliviergreen Olivier Green ahah Just watch the episode with Viktor, Josh M and models at Rivera Cafe

  • Anonymous

    Yeah honestly, I have to say, I really wasn’t angry at Olivier about anything he said. I thought he was more ridiculous than offensive. 

    • Anonymous

      I laughed and laughed. I’m baffled by the attitude exists that women should adapt to the designer’s vision and not that the designer should work for the client, but that is more comedy than tragedy in Olivier’s case. 

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        I think there needs to be a middle ground.  You do not go to a designer and tell him what to make for you down to every detail — that’s a seamstress’ job.  It is rude and tacky. 

        But as a designer, you are not the frigging Soup Nazi, and this woman pays your salary so she does deserve a bit of input.

        • Anonymous

          But the whole point of “design” is that it’s for the real world (whereas “art” can be more fantastical)–not that designers can’t design fantasy clothes, but that’s for the runway, advertising, and image. A real designer eventually has to make real clothes for real paying customers. For Olivier to say “I don’t like boobs, they interfere with the line of my clothes” shows that he really should be designing wallpaper, not clothing, if he can’t accommodate a basic anatomical feature.

        • Anonymous

          But the whole point of “design” is that it’s for the real world (whereas “art” can be more fantastical)–not that designers can’t design fantasy clothes, but that’s for the runway, advertising, and image. A real designer eventually has to make real clothes for real paying customers. For Olivier to say “I don’t like boobs, they interfere with the line of my clothes” shows that he really should be designing wallpaper, not clothing, if he can’t accommodate a basic anatomical feature.

  • Anonymous

    I honestly cannot see why Josh’s won.  Yes it was cute from the back.  but it was as simple and department store as Bert’s (who’s clients LOVED it and him) and I do not like the neckline. I do like square necklines but this one was too-wide (and unflattering on the lady) and the “lace” he used looked cheap and tacky.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Petrison/1022054303 David Petrison

    I think Nina’s criticism’s of Bryce’s dress weren’t too off the mark.  It was a simple dress lost in too many complicated details.  But Michael decided it was time to make fun of Bryce, and so it was time to make fun of Bryce.  I don’t really think the producers had too much to do with Michael’s incoherent outbursts.  It was time to get rid of Bryce, so they had to play up how bad the dress was.  They probably convinced themselves it was bad, too.

    • Mary McClelland

      What bothered me the most was how the judges were sort of in a roundabout way making fun of his model for liking the dress.  They did the same thing to Bert’s.  It was tacky and the poor women looked hurt as they stood there being told their favorite dress was grandma and terrible an ugly and a mess, etc or that a person who wants pockets is an imbecile 

      • Anonymous

        Not only Bryce’s and Bert’s clients, but Anthony Ryan’s client, too.  And none of the three dresses were THAT worthy of derision.

      • Anonymous

        I agree that Bert’s dress should have been longer (and, let’s face it, would therefore have been more flattering and less desperate-looking). With the face, you either play up eyes or lips, not both. With the body, you either play up cleavage or legs, not both. Forget what the husband said or wanted. Malin Ackerman made a good point: “If my husband had his way, I’d be walking around in leather pants and a halter top,” or something like that, said in a laughingly good-humored “ladies, amirite?” kind of way Yet, had I been Nina, I would have described that tits-or-legs rule in a different way. Maybe by saying, “You have great legs, but if your focus was to be the top of the garment, then a longer hemline would have helped that, and made you look even taller and leaner as well. As it is now, the hemline is competing with the neckline for attention.”

  • Anonymous

    I was bored the other day, flipped the T.V. channel and watched a runway show from Season 6, aka. “The Worst Season Ever”.  (Did I mention I was bored?)  It was the one where Logan was finally eliminated.  What really amazed me was that every dress sent down that runway had some design elements in it.  Some were craptastic design elements, but they were designed.  And there were some surprisingly really good designs too.  How does a dress that I could  have bought at Macy’s five years ago be the winning design?  Such a pathetic PR season.

    • Anonymous

      I think there is a tendency to proclaim every season “OMG THE WORST SEASON EVAR” when it’s happening. 

      • Anonymous

        Maybe because they get worse every year?  Makes sense to me!

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          No, because remember how bad 6 was?  And then the awesomeness of 7, with Seth Aaron and Mila and Jay Sario?  And the fun of Anthony and the fun of disliking Emilio, without him reaching the levels of insufferable of Josh here?   It’s not a steady slope…

          And 7 coming right after the awful season 6 is why I will ALWAYS tune into a new season — there’s always a chance that it’ll be the one that turns it around again:)

          • Anonymous

            No, to be honest, I DON’T remember “Mila” or “Jay Sario” or “Emilio”.  You could be making those names up for all I remember.   

    • Indovina

      I think Season 6 is somewhat unfairly maligned – it’s not good, and it is the worst of the first six seasons, but I think it’s unfair to the designers that it gets branded as a low talent season, because that wasn’t really the problem. It was the preponderance of bad and boring challenges and ridiculous judging that ruined it. There were some really talented designers, though, and I think the final collections were no worse (and in some cases better, even much better) than many Bravo-era ones.

      This season, on the other hand, has earned all the scorn it has received.

      And for whatever its worth, I remember an interview with Tim circa S6 or S7 where he said that there was less producer interference than in earlier seasons. Oh how I doubt he’d say the same thing now.

      (And to comment on the comments in reply to your comment):
      Providing some illustration on Molski’s point: http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2008/01/worst-season-ever-2.html

      But I agree with Shannon about Season 7, which I think was actually one of the most talented seasons in the show’s history. It’s not without its problems (again, more than a few bad and boring challenges and crazy judging), but it had great designers and I think there are a number of designs from that season which stand amongst the best in any season.

  • Anonymous

    At least Bryce can go work on his collection now in peace instead of making eggs and coffee for his former roommate, Josh M. Living with Josh, the drama vortex, is bound to sap your energy.  No wonder Bryce was a mess.  His collection is better than what he sent down the runway in the challenges. 

    • Anonymous

      OMG, can you believe that coffee comment passed off as a joke, but you know it’s for real?

  • Anonymous

    Josh won the unannounced accessories challenge and that scored the win. So disappointing to see that his push for fun Piperlime shoes essentially pushed Viktor’s fun SEPARATES with a Viktor designed bag to the side.

    PS: thanks for the link to Kukla, Fran and Ollie. I tried to play it off but I had no clue where you were going with it.

  • Anonymous

    i was suprised that josh won, thought for sure it would be victor.  as for bryce i so agree what you are saying TLO. 

    btw, i got the title! LOL

  • Annie Leung

    Viktor and Josh made the best dresses last night, I would buy either of them. Personally I would have liked to see Viktor win because he’s been overlooked for so many challenges and honestly, couldn’t you just see that couple walk right out of the studio and head for dinner and a play? I also want the little clutch. Olivier needs . . . people skills? I don’t know what to say about him, he was one of my favorites and next challenge should (and I should emphasize should) fit him to a T because it’s menswear! I was also extremely annoyed by Bert’s client, I mean seriously? I died a little bit inside when he actually did the motorboat thing, I’ve officially lost hope in straight men after seeing him.

    • Lori

      I was just going to post about the motorboating, then I saw you did.  Even though it was technically a foul away from the ball since it didn’t involve designers or design, for me it was THE lowest moment in PR history. 

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I just didn’t even know what to think about it. I’m not offended, but it was completely bizarre. It’s weird enough that he did it. I couldn’t believe they showed it. I didn’t realize Andrew Dice Clay was in town.

    • Pam Winters

      Re motorboating: I bet the dude (who seemed a bit toolish but might just have been hyped up on adrenalin–it’s weird being on camera) was just joking around the workroom, made some comment about motorboating, and then was coaxed into doing it to the mannequin. There was something very stilted and stagy about that scene.

    • margaret meyers

      I’m sure that the couples chosen were selected because they would juice it up.  You can’t have 9 quiet, docile couples.  You have to have a couple of prats, a couple with too flashy taste, and a couple of steamrollers.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

        I was sad when Bryce had a sad. His couple was the cutest one there, too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C65IT4K6RYN4TWRMFJOI3VUDAI Olechka Milashka

    Victor was ROBBED!!!  While Josh’s dress was pretty, Victor’s outfit was beautiful, stylish, smart and fashionable.  

    • Anonymous

      AGAIN.

  • Anonymous

    So true about Bryce’s look. It’s what I have been saying all along; these judges say whatever they need to say in order to justify their crazy decisions. Yes, Bryce’s number was up, but to sit there and rip apart a perfectly fine dress was ubsurd. It wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t nearly the disaster they made it out to be. Plus, his client loved it.
    I nearly fell out of my seat when they went on and on about the pockets being so gigantic you could practically see them from space. Please! If volume on the hips/thighs were really such a tremendous sin in their eyes, Leanne never would have won her season.
     

  • muzan-e

    Olivier works best in the laboratory. Simple white coat. Sterile, unchanging environments. Minimal human interference contact. Complete and undivided attention to the goal which he pursues.

    The easy mistake to make about him, I think, is to start believing that with this guy it’s all about ego. It’s not. If anything, it’s the opposite: what matters to him is the design, to which even his own needs and feelings are subservient.   This is why he has ‘time management’ issues: he knows how to schedule and how to manage the time allotted, but he won’t do that if it means taking something away from the finished product – even if it costs him a win, and even if it costs him a place in the final.  At every turning point, his frustration has simply been that he cannot complete the design in the manner which it deserves.

    I don’t know where you employ someone like this, but I’ve worked with more than a few. Composers, writers, designers. They’re the solo research scientists of the creative world – all task, and no collaboration. He’s not an asshole.  He’s just tragically displaced.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      muzan-e, well put. Your point about it not being about his ego, but instead about the design, is spot-on. A few seasons ago there was another designer who was very much like that. I can’t remember his name or which season he was on (the 6th, perhaps? It was no earlier than that). He made a dress with a baby sling built into it, IIRC. He didn’t last long. I’d say three episodes at the most.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        The chicken egg dude!  Yeah I remember him… It started with an M…

        • Anonymous

          Malvin.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            Thank you. It was driving me crazy.

  • Anonymous

    The male clients weren’t the only ones acting like stereotypes, as John Teti at the A.V. Club points out: http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/61/61723/biggayjosh_jpg_627x1000_q85.jpg

    What do we make of Viktor’s skirt matching the one his client was already wearing? In pretty much any other challenge, I’d worry that it meant he wasn’t being original, but considering that he had only the boyfriend/husband’s description to go by, I think that shows that they were all on the same page.

    • Anonymous

      Ahahahahahaha! That image will keep me happy all day. 

      Viktor actually commented on the client’s skirt–it seems to me that he designed his before she showed up in the workroom. Her husband seemed to know her style to a T. Hell, he probably dresses her. He clearly knew about clothes.

    • MilaXX

      Ha! Actually Josh reminds me of the Simple Jack character that Ben Stiller is forced to reenact in Tropic Thunder.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      Teti is brilliant. He makes every episode seem like a fever dream. He and TLo write the best PR recaps you can find.

      • Anonymous

        I agree. They’re the first two sites I visit on Friday mornings–Teti for his hilarious take on the episode, and T-Lo for the thoughtful (and also clever) analysis of the clothes. I’m pleased to see some Teti love over here–quite a few commenters over there praise T-Lo, so there’s some nice crossover.

    • margaret meyers

      Hahahahaha!  Thanks for the link.  South Park strikes again.

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said: Thank god one of these bitches can’t keep her feelings off her face.”

    Yes, poor Nina may just grind her teeth down to little nubs before the season is over. I hope new porcelain laminates are in her contract.

    As for that Olive boy, like I posted last night; he is just too, too delicate for this world. Was he raised in a cave? Or a 19th Century English manor house? Have we ever seen his sleeping arrangements at the Atlas? Does he sleep hanging upside down in the closet?

    –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t he Bert’s roommate?

    • Anonymous

      I like to think of Olivieierierier gently swaddled in rolls of delicate off-white or gray silk, and then tucked into a bed of eider down, to sleep and dream blissfully of his monochromatic world.

    • Anonymous

      I like to think of Olivieierierier gently swaddled in rolls of delicate off-white or gray silk, and then tucked into a bed of eider down, to sleep and dream blissfully of his monochromatic world.

  • Anonymous

    Earlier in the evening I found “The Day Before” on Sundance which documents in 30 or 60 minute programs the prep for the runway of actual designers.  Last night 3 episodes of the series focused on Nina Ricci, Jeremy Scott, and Fendi/Lagerfeld.  What a great series for those who love the process of fashion.  

    I bring this up here because the contrast with Project Runway was so striking.  Yes, I know, these are young designers, the pressure is great, there has to be drama, blah,blah, blah.  It was just such a pleasure to see people working together, a little of the design/refine process, drama as the clock ticks down to the runway, no one called a doody-head, and finally some interesting fashion.  Early PR had some of this element while bringing the reality crazy.  Now it feels tired and sad.  This may be comparing apples and oranges, but I think Lifetime has a real lemon in this season.  (Used the Michel Kors random phrase generator for extra freshness.)That said, I hang in there because I love T/Lo and reading all your comments.Re the runway this week, I agree with those who say Viktor was robbed, and also go out on a limb to say that Kimberly’s really deserved a second look.  Her client rocked that outfit.  

    • Anonymous

      I love The Day Before series and highly recommend it to those who love fashion, design and art in general. My favorite episodes were those featuring Uncle Karl, Sonia Rykiel and Jean Paul Gaultier. It is a shame that those long gone days of early PR showed similarities to this series. It really makes me sad that PR has now gone so far off the rails that it is barely about fashion or the artistic process anymore.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      How have I missed that show? I usually check every day to see what Sundance is airing. Thanks for the heads-up, RosiesGirl. I’ll check it out.

      The PR episode from a few weeks ago (the week after Josh went after Becky) did actually show a lot of workroom footage. As I recall, the designs weren’t all that great, but I really enjoyed that episode. I mean, it wasn’t on par with Santino singing, or watching Chloe try to complete her garden store dress in time, but everyone pretty much went about their work. There’s wasn’t a lot of bullshit drama; no screaming or pettiness. It was just the designers doing what they do. It was a nice break from the Josh show, that’s for sure.

  • http://twitter.com/RobertSanchez36 Robert Sanchez

    Gentlemen, you said it exactly.

  • http://twitter.com/RobertSanchez36 Robert Sanchez

    Gentlemen, you said it exactly.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with basically everything you said and I’m so glad you pointed out the thing about the hips with Bryce’s dress. Isn’t that the thing right now? These poofy hip things? (that I’ve personally never understood). Anyways, I certainly recongize that Josh’s dress was good and nice and well made but, it’s a dime a dozen and that it why I was so upset that he won. Because out of the looks that were in the top, I wouldn’t have to go very far to find about a dozen or more of this LBD.

    Also I will just give myself a pat on the back for being a 21 year old and knowing exactly what they title of this post was referring to :)

    • Anonymous

      Re : poofy hips….

      I have very large breasts and no waist (from the front) but too much upper belly….  
      and while I have a butt – I don’t really have “hips”  so I like (no need) poofy hips to give me SOME SEMBLANCE of a shape (since hourglass is preferable to ice cream cone)

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        And that’s why it’s ridiculous for Michael Kors to proclaim across the board that no woman wants a dress that gives her hips.

        • Anonymous

          If the appearance of larger hips was such an issue, every designer who has sent a bubble skirt down that runway (and there have been many over the years) should have been called on it. Kimberly’s curly-lamb mini from last week (?) was far worse in that respect.

          • Anonymous

             That is the thing.   They are so freaking inconsistent.  Kors (esp) often claims “NO women wants her hips to look bigger”.  Yet there have been other cases where that sihouette wins.

            I am reminded of Suede who won with his Pizza dress – then was ripped to shreds for a similar shape in a later episode (car parts?)

  • Anonymous

    I agree with basically everything you said and I’m so glad you pointed out the thing about the hips with Bryce’s dress. Isn’t that the thing right now? These poofy hip things? (that I’ve personally never understood). Anyways, I certainly recongize that Josh’s dress was good and nice and well made but, it’s a dime a dozen and that it why I was so upset that he won. Because out of the looks that were in the top, I wouldn’t have to go very far to find about a dozen or more of this LBD.

    Also I will just give myself a pat on the back for being a 21 year old and knowing exactly what they title of this post was referring to :)

  • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

    I have such mixed feelings. I can’t outright disagree with anything that you just said, but I really enjoyed last nights episode. client + non-model women always makes for an interesting challenge. Not just for design skills, but how they behave in the real world, and if they have the more businessy chops to make a successful line.

    On that end, Josh did actually behave very well. In fact, I was surprised bu him in this episode. Oh, I still think he’s a sociopath and vortex of darnkess and destruction, but the ediing was kind to him this week, and he appeared…. friendly.

    I don’t mind him getting the win, mostly because I don’t ever care who wins. And it’s not like that’s a guarantee of anything. (Michael costello, anyone). the only thing that really matters judging-wise on this show is who goes home. I agree with TLo’s reasoning, but I’m really quite flabbergasted that the producers had to say anything at all to the judges– Bryce’s was not the best offering, and I agree with the decision to send him home. I liked him, and thought the design was super cute, but it was poorly executed. I’m not sure who else they would have sent home, though— This was a first (I believe) of the client challenges in that every single woman standing up there defended her garment and said she loved it.

    Also, I was surprised by Malin as a judge. She had some very thoughtful comments that we don’t usually get from actresssy types.

    Viktor and Anya will be in the top three….. I”m just not sure who will fill the last spot.

    • margaret meyers

      Josh was less aggressively loathsome this week, but he was still plenty repulsive: from the opening ‘have my breakfast ready when I get out of the shower’ to the ending ’who will make my coffee,’ (with the skanky open shirt and feel my chest in between), we had plenty of Josh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002673395871 Roadkill Writer’s Camp

    Because Kors and Klum have set a fine PR tradition of contradicting themselves and Nina has always seemed to waffle on the whole on-trend topic, I’m not sure what I think about the original PR vs. current PR ethos. This season does seam devoid of any solid “next great designer” candidates. Anyway, like Chauncey Gardiner, I (still) like to watch. Mostly for those moments when a roomful of designers – if they’re paying attention  -  will learn that their creations may one day encourage some regular Joe to motorboat his honey’s cleavage.  

    Liked Bryce’s dress, except the fit. Josh’s is pretty but nothing special; the arm-scye is strange.  

  • Anonymous

    Little black dress wins the challenge. Wow. I really wasn’t expecting that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDI2DLE7DE3YPW2ONIHBWOVHMA ecallaw

    Josh made a lovely little dress, but both Viktor’s and Anya’s outfits were SO much more interesting. I wasn’t shocked by that, though.  What absolutely FLOORED me was that Kimberly wasn’t in the bottom three.  I thought hers was easily the UGLIEST outfit on the runway.  Just atrocious.

    • Mary McClelland

      Anya’s was a hot mess! She basically wrapped a length of fabric around that girl toga style and added a sleeve.  Did you see Tim’s face.  He knows that Anya’s construction is wretched and that she only designs for herself – and her style isn’t even that interesting.  More than Nina, TIM is having trouble keeping it in check with each passing week.  Those two are the last hold-outs of a dying utopia. 

    • Anonymous

      Kimberly’s was very well fitted which is probably what saved it.

      • Anonymous

        And she had one of the more difficult clients to fit, shape-wise. Separates were a smart idea. I’m also wondering if the judges and/or producers were a little scared to get that woman on the runway because they didn’t want to be seen as critiquing her shape. 

      • Anonymous

        And she had one of the more difficult clients to fit, shape-wise. Separates were a smart idea. I’m also wondering if the judges and/or producers were a little scared to get that woman on the runway because they didn’t want to be seen as critiquing her shape. 

    • margaret meyers

      If you look at the PR9 web site, you can see that the top was super flattering, but that skirt:  bubble butt, and riding further up her thighs with every step. That woman had a nice, shapely figure that was not helped at all by that skirt.
      Kimberly likes that stiff, textured fabric — she used it last week, and the skirt rode up then, too.

  • Anonymous

    When they started picking on Victor for the accessories, I realized they were fabricating an excuse to take the win away from him. So fucking transparent.

    • Anonymous

      What a cruel rip-off to steal the win from him essentially over a pair of glasses–which the client actually wears, by the way!

      • Anonymous

        “I made a perfect outfit, and even though Anya and Olivier were still sewing during hair and makeup, I managed my time so well that I had time to make a beautiful coordinating clutch.”

        “Let’s penalize him for too many accessories.”

        WHAT.

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          I’m not even sure what the issue was with the accessories. There was a pair of sunglasses, which, you know, millions of women wear. And a cute clutch. Was there something else I’m not remembering? Something that, perhaps, pushed Viktor’s stylish look into the horrifying territory known as The Land of the Real Housewives?

           That was just a whole lot of bullshit they pulled.

          • Anonymous

            That clutch that Viktor made was absolutely gorgeous!  I would buy it in two seconds flat. Of course, it wasn’t from Piperlime, so maybe the product placement people were annoyed by that. I agree with Deborah Lipp that the whole “over-accessorized” thing was just a fabricated excuse for not giving Viktor the win he deserved.

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      Me too. Sinking feeling because they had already eliminated Anya for the sleeve.

      • Anonymous

        A sleeve that was needed, I thought. 

  • Anonymous

    The only reason I can imagine for Nina’s looking “more pissed off with every episode” is that she feels her BM checks aren’t big enough. When you sell your soul, you want to get top dollar.

    I’m no longer watching this clusterfuck, but I’m weaning myself off slowly, so I did tune in just for the judging and the preview for next week.  Clinique produced a pretty, although unoriginal, dress with lovely lace touches, but the fact that he had his shirt open down to his belt made me loathe him even more. I didn’t think it was possible. And I don’t see how Viktor didn’t win. That was an original and beautiful outfit that fit his model perfectly. Viktor is the clear front-runner in my mind, but he never wins. Go cash those checks, Nina and Pumpkinhead!

    I was stunned that Bryce’s was the loser, although not stunned that HE was the loser.  His work has been poor throughout the season, but I agree with what TLo said re so much of this dress being on trend. If Clinique or Anya had produced it, the judges would have been drooling and Heidi would have declared that she would WEAR that!

    I’m so glad I didn’t waste my time on this disaster. It’s just a sad joke of a show, with only the faintest whiffs of the original PR wafting through the haze of nonsense.

    • MilaXX

      I hate Josh’s Club 54 disco shirts so much!

      • Anonymous

        Second week in a row — wonder if it is a trend?

        • MilaXX

          Bright color is in right now, but I think Josh’s butt ugly shirts are of his own choosing and the unbuttoned look is because of his delusion that he is sexy.

          • Anonymous

            Or maybe it’s a uniform for his other “job”

  • Anonymous

    I do not care that Josh won, or that Bryce was eliminated. It does bother me when the
    judges tell women who love their dresses that they have no taste, look fat and old in them. At least this time it was adults. I will never forget the look on those teenage girls in prom dresses. Judge the contestants without the non-professional models next to them.

    • Anonymous

      Ballard in Seattle, Washington?  

      • Anonymous

        Ya sure, you betcha!

        • Anonymous

          Love me some Ballard!

    • Anonymous

      That is EXACTLY what I posted several times last night. 

      Bert’s couple L O V E D his dress and Heidi, Kors and Nina (and Malin)? proceeded to tell her what a moron she was.

      Same with the other couples. 
       

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRNFWXFV5XXESSL5Q4YADG6WWQ Bridget

    I, too think Josh should not have been awarded a win because of all the bedazzling he didn’t do, and I believe Vicktor had a much much better design.  I also think that the pink dress had some faults and should have gone, but really did not need the angry mob to chase it out. 

    Now, as far as the men/women stuff goes, I thought it was a very clever idea for a challenge, because, as cliched and as old-fashioned as it is, straight men generally DON’T “see” the style/fashion sense of their wives/girlfriends in a way they can easily describe.  They don’t have the vocabulary for it, nor to they exactly know the nuances of a woman’s wardrobe, beyond – “she usually wears pants, I’d like to see her in dresses more,” “she has big boobs but always complains that her butt is too big – which I disagree” “I don’t know what her favorite color is, but she wore a blue dress to a party once and knocked me over.” I think the male commenters think that because they may “have come a long way, baby,” that all guys are as progressive.  I promise you, when it comes to nuances of fashion, cavemen are still in their caves.  I have learned to understand “where did you get that dress?” to mean “oh, you look pretty…that’s a new dress….you obviously feel very pretty in it, it suits you, its a great color on you, it really flatters your shape” from my husband, because he just does not know how to say all those things.  “What color is that, blue?” – means “you are gorgeous.”  “Are you going to wear those shoes?” means “you can really pull a look together.”  I enjoyed this challenge for that vhese very reasons.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1663121863 Donna DeVore Metler

      I asked my husband what he’d tell a designer in coming up with an outfit for me-and he honestly couldn’t come up with much of anything beyond “I think she wears a lot of blue”.

      • Anonymous

        I laughed when Malin Ackerman said her husband would have her in the tighest leather pants imaginable and a tank top because that’s what he’d want to see.

        I didn’t ask my husband, but I should have. Maybe I will tonight. He’d be like “she wears jeans and t-shirts.” Viktor did a really great job asking “Where does she shop?” It helped define her aesthetic. Except the husband didn’t know…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OYMPLGS7S7467GQMKEWJDJ3N4A Deb

    When Heidi was castigating Bryce’s client for saying she USED the pockets in her clothes, I just wanted to scream. Yes, out here in the other world, real women do indeed put their keys and phones and kleenex in their pockets. To my knowledge, no one yet has been yanked off the street for ruining the line of their clothing for practicalities.

    • Anonymous

      YES. This! I felt so bad for her. She wanted to wear that dress to a wedding and for it to be functional. Yet Heidi goes and bashes the logical thinking behind it. I felt so horrible. The girl’s face just dropped. 

  • Anonymous

    I tend to think that Oliver is cultivating this precious image that allows him to “innocently” say obnoxious things. “Oooh, breasts are so foreign to me! I’m from Asia by way of London and Ohio—what are these things you call ‘boobies’?” 

    That said, I was frustrated for him by his pushy client. The wife wasn’t as bad—at least she was wearing the clothes and has a clue. But the husband needed to pipe down and let the designer think. 

    • Pam Winters

      Yeah, his client was coming off badly, I thought, and I wondered whether she started getting so icky because of Olivier’s manner or whether her manner exacerbated his. I had the sense that she was pretty strongly opinionated.

      And although I just remembered it right now, I praise Olivier for the gist of what he finally said to her, behind the screen: it was something like “I’d love to make a dress for you that you’d love, but my life is on the line here.”

  • Anonymous

    I agree with all of that, TLo. But all in all, this was a much more satisfactory episode than I’ve come to expect from the “real women” challenge. At least all designers made something cute or better, the clients seemed to be pleased, and no insults to women a la Jeffrey Sebellia (who I still think should have been auf’ed for that challenge).

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I didn’t think anyone behaved too offensively. I thought the couples were all pretty cute, even the boob-loving guy was just silly and fun. Poor Olivier’s clients had to talk him off the ledge at the end there. The clients all seemed pretty flexible and very concerned about helping the designers win. Contrast this with the S1 bride episode where the models went INSANE and one even cried about a hypothetical wedding dress. Or the mother-daughter one where there were a few overbearing moms vetoing everything. Or Nina…

  • Lori

    And formerly beloved Tim Gunn is starting to sound like the TimBot.  I detested his smiling shill for Piperlime Jewelry (and what did they give them, 100 gift certificate?  Can they spare it?).  And since I read in his book that he’s actually in the workroom the entire time, his exits and entrances seem very staged.  His advice seems anemic too.  Maybe his heart is in his upcoming talk show or booking more commercials, or maybe he and Nina and Kors are signed to multi-season contracts and just waiting to get out.  It wouldn’t excuse their behavior but it might explain it.

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      I agree–this season has been a bad Tim season. But I think it’s the editing–the only time they show him is when he is spouting the promotional garbage. My thought is that they are trying to get rid of him because he was so critical of the show last season. By keeping him to silly antics like chasing Swatch, hymns to Piperlime, and ineffectual interventions (telling Becky to change the skirt material,  staring without speaking at Kimberly’s design, etc.) they are cutting him down to size.

      • Anonymous

        Now, remember that last week, he was all over the workroom and giving advice like “Shouldn’t that be a princess seam?” that went right over my head, since I cannot sew a button on. I agree, though, that he is shilling ‘way too much.  If I had tossed back a shot every time he said “HP” last week, I’d have been passed out long before the runway show started.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        I think they’ve been trying to push Tim out since last season, and maybe earlier. At least twice, there were last minutes changes to the challenges, e.g. where the designers were supposed to meet him, and he knew nothing about them. That’s some crazy passive-aggressive behavior on the part of the producers.  I can’t even imagine what good they think it would do to get rid of him. Anyone else could leave, even Heidi, and I think the fans would deal with it. But I’m convinced that, if Tim’s gone, so are the viewers. He’s the heart and soul of the show.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe Tim wants a cut of the action….since many of us seem to stick with the show just to watch Tim.

        • Anonymous

          Agreed, and I’ve wondered if the lack of his vlog is another manipulation from the show’s TPTB.

          • Anonymous

             Yes, though rather than “manipulation” I figured they got some lawyers to go over the contracts and find an interpretation that would convince Mr. Gunn that he was not permitted to air the vlog publicly.

          • Anonymous

             Yes, though rather than “manipulation” I figured they got some lawyers to go over the contracts and find an interpretation that would convince Mr. Gunn that he was not permitted to air the vlog publicly.

      • Anonymous

        They obviously laid some kind of epic smackdown on him in the middle of (the broadcast schedule of) S8, when his uncensored and highly critical video blogs came to an abrupt halt, and he hasn’t been quite the same ever since.  But to me (and many fans) he is the one truly indispensable person on the show.

      • Anonymous

        RE: “he’s actually in the workroom the entire time”

        Huh?!  Everyone perks up when he comes in, and he seems to not have had an opportunity to access each outfit at all.  That’s some real playacting if that’s true!

      • Anonymous

        I wonder if Tim Gunn has a discreet nip from a tasteful flask each time he has to utter the words “use the Piper Lime accessory wall thoughtfully”

    • Anonymous

      Please do not speak ill of the Gunn.  

    • Anonymous

      Agreed.  I can’t remember specifics, but I remember thinking most of the Tim advice shown this week was pretty generic.  Maybe he is falling prey to bad editing too.

    • Anonymous

      I honestly don’t think Tim is there the entire time. I read his book, and I don’t remember that. Given his other professional commitments, it would be hard for him to be there that long.

      I do think his critiques are much longer that what is shown on TV. He’s probably there for a few hours a shot.

      Agree that we aren’t seeing the old Tim, and wonder whether that his doing or the producers’.

      • Lori

        You’re wrong. 

        Page 22 of the hardcover:  “The show is edited to look like I’m in the workroom once or twice a challenge, but I’m there all the time.”  (Gawd I love that book.)

        • Anonymous

          I read that as “I’m in the workroom frequently” rather than “I’m in the workroom the entire time the designers are there.”

          • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

            Yeah, we know for a fact that he’s not there the entire time. He may be in the building the entire time, but even then, we’re doubtful.

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      I got the impression from his book that he’s there the whole time, and in the workroom for much longer than we see, but is tucked away in a production office watching camera feeds for the rest of the day.  

      I think he’d gone home already, and had to be woken up and come back in, for last season’s “Poison Ivy Vs Michael C J’accuse” but other than that he can react quite quickly to things like Olivier using glue in the Avant Garde challenge.

    • Anonymous

      Haha, I was immediately suspicious when they didn’t specify the amount or the parameters of the “gift.”  Congratulations, you can have all of the Gretchen Jones ™ brand jewelry from our warehouse that you can fit in your bag!

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      I gotta read that book.

      • Anonymous

        It’s delightful-I felt as if I had my very own fantasy fashionable uncle at my side, doling out wonderful little tidbits of advice and gossip!

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i’m wondering if he’s as bored w/ the lack of talent & puffed up fury in the workroom as i am.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1114459072 Keri Dyrdahl Smith

    I saw a girl at my office yesterday wearing a skirt with the exact same detail on the hem as Josh’s dress, so it’s not that creative.

  • http://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com Lizzie

    Yes–exactly this.  There are ways to say that something is not fitted well, old-fashioned in a negative sense, could have been a lot better if [x detail] had been changed, etc. without going full-on Mean Girls on the client.  (The freaking CLIENT!)

    Also, and this is only tangentially related, but was it absolutely necessary the clients to be 100% hetero couples?  Or should I just be thanking my lucky stars that Lifetime decided to be so progressive as to show us an interracial couple?

    • Anonymous

      Well, if they weren’t all hetero couples, that would have thrown off the “men’s wear…surprise, women’s wear” element to the challenge.

      I thought the interracial couple threw a potentially interesting wrench in — would any designers think to ask, “tell me about your SO’s skin color” when choosing colors?  (Especially with these men, where “what colors does she wear” seemed to flummox them deeply.)

      • http://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com Lizzie

        Re: “surprise, women’s wear!”–okay, that’s a fair point.  You took all the wind outta my umbrage sails!  ;)

        As far as skin color goes, I dunno if I’d call that a wrench, but it might have been interesting to see some of those discussions, as well as the acknowledgement that not only do women come in a variety of shapes and sizes, but in colors that vary much more than the “porcelain to bisque to ecru” range we often see on the runway!

    • MilaXX

      I think they were all hetero couple because the producers wanted to fake the designers into thinking it was a menswear challenge and then switch it up into a womenswear challenge. It also fits Lifetimes view of all men being idiots about their wives.

    • MilaXX

      I think they were all hetero couple because the producers wanted to fake the designers into thinking it was a menswear challenge and then switch it up into a womenswear challenge. It also fits Lifetimes view of all men being idiots about their wives.

  • Pam Winters

    I think Olivivivivier was raised by a tribe of willowy mails with Accent Dysphoria Disorder.

    I was amused, though, when Josh was trying to get everyone to put their hand on his coke spo–I mean, heart and Precious Moments was reluctant to comply. My husband’s guess at the response: “‘Touching boobs again!’”

  • Anonymous

    I did not think Josh did a bad job, but I actually thought Anja’s was better. A bit more creative. They were critical of Bert, “We have seen this before,” but give Josh after making his THIRD circle skirt. Why no “Josh we have seen this before.” That was my problem with the win.

  • Margot Brose

    Poor Bryce! I liked him. He was grounded. Also, Michael gets less and less witty with every episode. I predict he’ll be sitting around with a coloring book by the final.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702462366 Terry Graves

    The quality of the designs and the execution would not be so poor if the designers were given 3-4 days for each challenge and an hour to shop at Mood instead of 30 minutes.   There would be a better show.  However, it would be more expensive to produce, so I guess we’re going the cheap route.  C’est domage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702462366 Terry Graves

    Oh, and every week I hate Oliver more.  Fake accent, doesn’t like women, doesn’t like to work with people who talk, doesn’t like breasts, and he’s the victim in all of this.

  • MilaXX

    Ha! Puppets! what a perfect title for this post. although I’m a few years shy of 50, I do remember watching Kukla, Fran & Oliie. In my mind there are a few things that determine whether a designer will
    be auf’d and whether they will get the win; Nina’s opinion, if the
    judges as a whole want to see more from a designer and producer
    manipulation. Nina’s opinion counts because more often than not, Michael
    will vote with Nina, making it Nina/Micheal against Heidi. Producer
    manipulation, which I think has been there since day 1 of the show but
    is now more obvious since the move to Lifetime, means that Josh is going
    to be around for a while. In fact I think Josh won’t get auf’d until
    Bert and Olivier are gone. Mediocre design skills aside, Josh makes for
    good reality tv and as TLo mentioned, he really can sew when he’s not blinging something to death. even though Bryce’s outfit was not the total trainwreck the judges made it out to be, it was probably the best thing he’s done all season. If that’s as good as it gets, there’s no need to keep him around.

  • Anonymous

    I also thought the judging – the bit we saw anyway – showed some disrespect for the clients at the bottom. I am not sure if these people signed up to have their taste ridiculed on TV (although they did get Piper Lime jewellery, woo hoo). I loved some of the couples. Esp. Bryce’s. They were adorable.

  • Amanda in Austin

    Josh = Wendy from Season 1.

    • Anonymous

       NONO  NO!  Absolutely not. 

      Wendy played the game but was not demeaning, arrogant, a pig.  She opined when asked but her opinions were not delusional bulls—

      • http://karensbooksandchocolate.blogspot.com/ Karenlibrarian

        I think Josh = Gretchen, but with better eyebrows. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          he’s worse than both of them combined.

          in another season, in another world, on another planet he’d just be a minor character w/ some sewing, but not design, skills– someone whom we would not have seen past his first application of doggy hair rollers {or whatever they were} to high heels off the piperlime wall.

  • Amanda in Austin

    Josh = Wendy from Season 1.

  • margaret meyers

    I liked the way the couples in the bottom 3 really stood up for their designers and their dresses. 

    I can only imagine what would have happened if Olivier and his couple had had to stand there and defend their look.  Night of the Long Knives, on our runway today!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dalca4 Denise Alcantara

    As much as I hate Josh for being obnoxious but at least he seems aware that he’s being portrayed as such.  It totally seems like a performance on his part. Precious Moments, on the other hand, WOW.  The producers of the show couldn’t ask for more – his whole thing was so oblivious and honest in a way that shouldn’t be.  

  • Anonymous

    I guess Josh was too busy constructing a dress to button himself up another couple of buttons.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know.  I wonder if you’re giving Nina too much credit.  I mean, she is a fashion editor; this is her thing.  Would she really keep making completely crack-tastic, baffling decisions at the behest of a producer?  At some point it’s got to completely undermine her credibility as an arbiter of good taste.  She has gone out of her way to defend Josh on several occasions — I’d say she was instrumental in facilitating his earlier double-win.  I don’t get the sense that she’s going along with everyone else so much as steering the entire boat.  (She was also the one who turned the boat around for Gretchen last season.)  So either she’s a total producer lackey at the expense of her fashion credentials, or she’s losing her editor mojo.  I’m not sure which is worse.

    I felt sooooo bad for Bryce’s model.  She started out so game and sparkly, but you could just see her melt as they started saying she looked like an 80 year old woman stuffing pork chops in her pockets.  Her first (and only) time on the runway and she they use the opportunity to run a schtick at her expense.

    • Anonymous

      I think that the judges, especially Nina and Michael, always give dual critiques to every designer on the runway.  “What I like is…” “What I don’t like is…” because they don’t at that point know how the judging will resolve in “closed” discussion.  Then the producers have the material that they need to pick the snippets that create what looks like a cohesive path to the final winner/aufee.

      The producers and editors are leading the show down the lifetime storyline using the material they need from the many hours of footage.

      Nina was never going to let Anya’s dress win, but I don’t know what happened to Viktor–they were clearly scraping bottom trying to find Michael/Nina saying negative things about this outfit.

      • http://twitter.com/drezdn Mike Carey

        And their only complaint about Viktor’s dress was that she had a fashionable husband.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCJEZMOV4VYMXC5WJALLZNYEB4 Mari Rose

      Her editor mojo cannot be separated from her producer lackey-ness because her employer is a primary sponsor of the show.  If the show gets higher ratings, the magazine gets more bang for its buck and, presumably, more readers.

      • Anonymous

        Very good point.  And Marie Claire isn’t exactly Vogue.  I’d like to believe that she’s secretly smouldering over what’s being done to the show.  I’m just not sure.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      she doesnt look that bad anyway. in fact, i dont think she looks bad.

      i dont like bryce, i think he’s completely unsupportably & insufferably pretentious. i still remember what he did to fallene. but this wasnt a bad dress, it was one of the better things he’s made. yes, there is reason to criticize it– but not that much. i hope the person who wore it understands all that.

    • Anonymous

      totally agree with you about Nina.  I’ve seen the extra footage and she QUOTES JOSH and keeps saying how right he is. 

      She has been on the wrong side to too many of these “arguments”.

  • Anonymous

    As a big-breasted, thick waisted woman with slim legs, arms and thighs – a classic ‘apple’ in other words –  I am now starting to understand why I can never find anything to fit me. The way all the gay men in the room, from Tim Gunn downwards, literally SHUDDERED at the mere mention of breasts was quite scary to watch.  Heaven forbid that womenswear designers, including the Creative Director for an eminent women’s fashion line should have knowledge of anything quite so vulgar as cup sizes.

    And Michael Kors, there are women in this world who actually like a bit of tapered fullness round the hips to balance out the thickness of their waists.  Pear-shaped is not the only shape there is and my thighs are one of the bits I like best about my body.  The client had nice slim thighs too and I thought the dress shape was flattering on her (though yes, the execution was sloppy).

    • Anonymous

       I posted similar thoughts.  If you have large breasts and a thicker waist you look far better with some fullness around the hips and you’d hope that people in the fashion industry would have at least a tiny clue!

  • Anonymous

    For a while there, I thought I was watching a roomful of 10 year old boys who were practicing saying the word “boobies” out loud for the first time.

    Josh’s dress is cure. Just that. A runway win? No. Bryce made plenty of uglier stuff before this one. I have no problem with his going, but as you guys have so well put it, don’t BS us with some lame ass reason. Any ounce of respect I may have had for Kors or Nina as fashion commentators evaporated quickly this season, not that I had much to begin with. 

  • Anonymous

    I was bothered that the judges didn’t seem savvy enough to critique the bottom garments without offending the clients. For Bryce’s dress they could have said to the client “You have a lovely figure, but those pockets just look like lumps. That detail isn’t flattering to you at  all. If you asked for pockets they should have been inset to compliment your figure.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      I know, right? I felt awful for that poor girl. 

      • Anonymous

        sorry Stubenville–didn’t read your reply before I posted.  You said it better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hanna-Watts/1683606598 Hanna Watts

    Someone may have already mentioned this, but did anyone else think Bryce’s poor girl was getting a little sad on the runway.  She seemed to like the dress and the more the judges bashed it the sadder she got.  I felt terrible for her because it looked like she felt they were all mocking her for having poor taste.

    • Anonymous

      When they do these real women challenges, it would be sensitive if, when trashing the bottom 3, if the judges made some comments about what would have looked better on the women…”the bottom edge pockets look [fdddddfd], but with her tiny waist, you could have highlighted it by [sdfdfd].”  Might take out some of the sting.

  • Anonymous

    Josh really didn’t deserve that win. That was a middle-of-the-pack dress, or maybe top 3, but not the winner. Anya or Viktor should have taken the win, probably Anya because her dress was a riskier design and Viktor’s was very Anthropologie. I happen to like Anthropologie, but that just puts his design into the “you can easily find it in a store” category.

    Can’t argue with Bryce’s auf. I did like the pockets and band at the bottom of the dress. I think the judges were too hard on him about that. The poor fit and one-too-many details are what did that look in for me.

    I actually wanted Oliviovaries to go home for being such a brat. Or a dick. Which was it?

  • Anonymous

    Based on the designs last night, I think Bert should’ve gone home.  His dress was lame, ill-fitted, and too short.  Yes, Anthony Ryan sent down a bad sailor dress which looked like it was made from bad polyester which was hideous and Bryce’s garment was ill-fitted but I still would’ve sent Bert home. 

    • Anonymous

      ??  And Kim’s was too short and unflattering-ly tight .  The gal has – umm- ample – assets appear to be huge. 

      Anthony’s was blah and unflattering.  and well Olivieuroeureuir?  the top – if it went by quick enough was almost passable

      Bert’s should have been middle of the pack

  • Anonymous

    I will save most of my comments about Olivier for his post later, but I will say: much laughter was heard as I watched him last night.  :D

    I didn’t think Josh deserved the win for that.  All they really did was reward him for putting down the glitter, and the rhinestones, and the metallic things he picked up at mood and was so disappointed about not being able to use.  He learned something, today: what the rest of the world means when they use the word “simple.”  Yes, congrats, that was not worth a win.

    However, I don’t really think Bryce’s dress was worthy of being out, either.  No, it wasn’t the best thing up there, but I thought Bert’s was worse.  He has been told over and over, since his audition, that he needs to step it up and really bring it, and he just isn’t doing that.  That dress not only looked like something you could buy in any department store, it looked tacky.  Bryce’s looked a little off, and may be described as a little old-fashioned from the front, but at least it didn’t look old-fashioned AND tacky!  Bert was kept because the producers are hoping he will smack down Josh again so they get more of Josh being Josh.

  • http://inkyheels.tumblr.com Inky Heels

    I can’t even with this challenge.  I didn’t even leave the tv on to see who won and who was getting kicked off because it was conspicuous from the editing.  In checking in today, I was correct.  I agree with TLo that Lifetime is participating in so much bad producer manipulation that is painful to watch the episodes at times.

  • taodon

    Yeah, I’m glad I missed last night’s episode…

  • http://twitter.com/MandySCG MandyJane

    I know the producers have always sort of led the decisions, but it seems like they’re doing it more now. I don’t want to watch the show for fake drama! The stress of the competition is enough to create a little real drama, without making it all about the personality clashes. It saddens me that they think we’re all a bunch of dummies who don’t appreciate the fashion side more than the drama side.

  • http://inkyheels.tumblr.com Inky Heels

    I agree with your comments re Viktor!  This is another challenge where I think Viktor was unfairly passed over for the win, this time for a melodramatic buffoon who happened to make a passable mall boutique or department store-type dress.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t watch last night; I can’t watch this stupid show any more. Last night was the first time I couldn’t even read the comments in TLOunge, the asscrackery was so out of bounds. I’m down to just reading the TLo critiques, and I do that only because TLo speak truth and reason, and, instead of entertaining  me, as they used to, validate me. This show has sunk so low there is no redeeming or justifying it.

  • Anonymous

    I just hope that Viktor doesn’t get derailed by his “always a bridesmaid” status, like Terri or Valerie in seasons past.

  • http://www.nahuli.blogspot.com Anonymous

    I’ve been trying to think of how to put this kindly and also be politically correct.  Olivier in that episode seemed a bit…dim?  The way he would just kind of stare and look completely befuddled as to what anyone around him was talking about?  So odd. 
    And the accent SLAYS me every week — it’s so bizarre.  Does he not realize everyone knows it’s fake?  You don’t get an accent like that living in England for a few years…or for your whole life.  It’s a bad imitation of an English accent.

  • http://www.nahuli.blogspot.com Anonymous

    I’ve been trying to think of how to put this kindly and also be politically correct.  Olivier in that episode seemed a bit…dim?  The way he would just kind of stare and look completely befuddled as to what anyone around him was talking about?  So odd. 
    And the accent SLAYS me every week — it’s so bizarre.  Does he not realize everyone knows it’s fake?  You don’t get an accent like that living in England for a few years…or for your whole life.  It’s a bad imitation of an English accent.

  • Lori

    Yes.  Ever since I read it I’ve assumed that’s why the designers aren’t given longer for the challenges – the judges, and especially Tim, can only give up so much of their lives to shoot a season.

  • Lori

    Yes.  Ever since I read it I’ve assumed that’s why the designers aren’t given longer for the challenges – the judges, and especially Tim, can only give up so much of their lives to shoot a season.

  • Anonymous

    YES to the on trend thing! I am not a skinny girl, and I’ve been losing my mind over all the clothes with huge-ass pockets and fabric folds that accentuate the widest parts of my body. GROSS.  I LOVED Josh’s little black dress, LOVED it, but Viktor should have gotten the win, no questions. And putting Bert in the bottom and not Oliviereieor? Nuh-uh.
    And THANK YOU, TLo, for calling out the appalling gender grossness going on. As if it wasn’t bad enough to have the designers bitching and moaning about “ew no breasts! i can’t handle it!” or “oh no, a Real Person is too fat for me to work with!” – as if that wasn’t soul-crushing enough, we get these disgusting men ogling the dressforms’ breasts, with all the other designers laughing as if that’s just adorable. I was really disgusted by this episode, all the way around. Nina’s disgust was also evident, and I’m glad she at least disliked Anya’s caftan, because I thought THAT piece of crap was tired and needed to go. UGH. PR, you’re losing me. seriously. Soon, even the power of TLo can’t compel me to keep watching.

  • Anonymous

    YES to the on trend thing! I am not a skinny girl, and I’ve been losing my mind over all the clothes with huge-ass pockets and fabric folds that accentuate the widest parts of my body. GROSS.  I LOVED Josh’s little black dress, LOVED it, but Viktor should have gotten the win, no questions. And putting Bert in the bottom and not Oliviereieor? Nuh-uh.
    And THANK YOU, TLo, for calling out the appalling gender grossness going on. As if it wasn’t bad enough to have the designers bitching and moaning about “ew no breasts! i can’t handle it!” or “oh no, a Real Person is too fat for me to work with!” – as if that wasn’t soul-crushing enough, we get these disgusting men ogling the dressforms’ breasts, with all the other designers laughing as if that’s just adorable. I was really disgusted by this episode, all the way around. Nina’s disgust was also evident, and I’m glad she at least disliked Anya’s caftan, because I thought THAT piece of crap was tired and needed to go. UGH. PR, you’re losing me. seriously. Soon, even the power of TLo can’t compel me to keep watching.

  • fragileindustries

    To the judges: “Puh-puh-puh-puh-puh-puh puppet face, my puppet face …” 

  • fragileindustries

    To the judges: “Puh-puh-puh-puh-puh-puh puppet face, my puppet face …” 

  • Anonymous

    It makes me feel so validated when TLo complains about the things that bother me. This is not by far an original complaint, but bear with me as I vent:

    It takes the ‘competition’ fun out of it when the judges can’t even partially, plausibly justify their decisions. I still have (well, what the producers will allow) the fun of seeing the creative process, the workroom with Tim, and the surprise at what the glimpses of sketches, work-in-progress, etc. turns into by the time it walks down the runway. I usually also have the fun of a designer I like, or at least respect and one or 5 whom I shake my head at and dislike, as well as a few I pity.

    But when there’s so little rhyme or reason to winners & losers, when it’s just inexplicable AFTER the judges discuss & critique (and, you know, we could use a little more of the un-scripted part of that, though I know it’d just f-k with the deus ex producer final decisions & make them look stupider) well, I just stop caring about the competition.

    Which is a very short step away from being bored with the show.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i agree w/ you wholeheartedly.

      i didnt even watch it this week.

      i think josh’s dress is fine, i’m an objective enough human being to be able to see someone’s work apart from the someone. so, yeah, he made a decent dress.

      not, of course, that it was an original dress. i mean: i sell dresses {among other things}. i can sell you or anyone else what is pretty much an identical dress to josh’s, like, maybe, tomorrow. & i can sell another one after that. & another one after that. if i wanted to list nice enough black dresses, i could probably sell one a day for maybe a month. & thats just my own stuff. &, btw, each one is, in online vintagespeak, OOAK. i’m a vintage dealer, for heavens sake. their all OOAK, ridiculously similar to the one he made– & at least thirty years older.

      do i think he deserved to win a design competition for making yet another one of these things? no, i do not.

      & i dont care to watch him rant. nor do i care to see women who are, for the most part, not even slightly overweight called all sorts of fat names, nor do i care to see their appearances ridiculed, not even a little. none of those women were unattractive. that a program whose viewership is almost entirely straight women & gay men could broadcast a small cadre of gay men looking stupid by getting flustered to the point of collapse & insult by straight women– i cant wrap my mind around this at all. why is this televised? to this audience? why?

      i’m tired & kind of rambling. i’m done except to note the one thing i havent seen anyone else mention. perhaps i dont understand how “designers” {please note quotes} hereupon were paired w/ their pseudo-clients. maybe they got to choose. if they didnt i would also cry foul at josh’s pulling the one who had the closest to model measurements of any of them. she was probably the easiest to cut for & i hate to think it, but it’s possible they were paired so he could garner another undeserved victory.

      lastly:
      prettiest i think was bryce’s model, i’m sorry she was mocked, i hope she knows she doesnt deserve it. even after his meltdown, even if i saw it {i would have thought him ridiculous, not threatening} the best outfit, i think, was done by the delicate fleur– in a world where absolutely none of the outfits were fabulous. his was at least interesting. i’ve seen viktors ten hundred thousand times so maybe i’m less impressed. i probably have a version of it here too. i think anya will take the whole thing, making josh very very upset, if in line for a shot on another reality program {probably what he was going for in the first place}. i still like bert best. i hope he gets a job out of all this nonsense.

      the end.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i agree w/ you wholeheartedly.

      i didnt even watch it this week.

      i think josh’s dress is fine, i’m an objective enough human being to be able to see someone’s work apart from the someone. so, yeah, he made a decent dress.

      not, of course, that it was an original dress. i mean: i sell dresses {among other things}. i can sell you or anyone else what is pretty much an identical dress to josh’s, like, maybe, tomorrow. & i can sell another one after that. & another one after that. if i wanted to list nice enough black dresses, i could probably sell one a day for maybe a month. & thats just my own stuff. &, btw, each one is, in online vintagespeak, OOAK. i’m a vintage dealer, for heavens sake. their all OOAK, ridiculously similar to the one he made– & at least thirty years older.

      do i think he deserved to win a design competition for making yet another one of these things? no, i do not.

      & i dont care to watch him rant. nor do i care to see women who are, for the most part, not even slightly overweight called all sorts of fat names, nor do i care to see their appearances ridiculed, not even a little. none of those women were unattractive. that a program whose viewership is almost entirely straight women & gay men could broadcast a small cadre of gay men looking stupid by getting flustered to the point of collapse & insult by straight women– i cant wrap my mind around this at all. why is this televised? to this audience? why?

      i’m tired & kind of rambling. i’m done except to note the one thing i havent seen anyone else mention. perhaps i dont understand how “designers” {please note quotes} hereupon were paired w/ their pseudo-clients. maybe they got to choose. if they didnt i would also cry foul at josh’s pulling the one who had the closest to model measurements of any of them. she was probably the easiest to cut for & i hate to think it, but it’s possible they were paired so he could garner another undeserved victory.

      lastly:
      prettiest i think was bryce’s model, i’m sorry she was mocked, i hope she knows she doesnt deserve it. even after his meltdown, even if i saw it {i would have thought him ridiculous, not threatening} the best outfit, i think, was done by the delicate fleur– in a world where absolutely none of the outfits were fabulous. his was at least interesting. i’ve seen viktors ten hundred thousand times so maybe i’m less impressed. i probably have a version of it here too. i think anya will take the whole thing, making josh very very upset, if in line for a shot on another reality program {probably what he was going for in the first place}. i still like bert best. i hope he gets a job out of all this nonsense.

      the end.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll voice a minority opinion here and say I thought that – as loathsome as he is – Josh deserved the win.  It may have been a LBD but it was impeccable and the detailing was perfect.  That was a terrific use of the lace.  The dress fit his model perfectly and she looked incredible in it – and looked as though she felt incredible in it.  Viktor’s design was more interesting but I thought it was a little over-designed and I really didn’t like the top.  Kudos for him, however, making that bag.  Hated the necklace with that blouse, however.  Despite those minor details, I wouldn’t have minded if he had won.  I would have if Anya had won.  I disliked Anya’s outfit intensely and don’t understand the love for it expressed here.  Perhaps I will when I see the stills of it.  To me, it was a typical Anya outfit, designed more for her than her client (who, admittedly, seemed to love it).  The shape was off-putting to me.  I wonder if she actually did the sleeve by herself since most of her other outfits seemed to be at least partially sewn (or mostly, when Becky was the designated seamstress) by others.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll voice a minority opinion here and say I thought that – as loathsome as he is – Josh deserved the win.  It may have been a LBD but it was impeccable and the detailing was perfect.  That was a terrific use of the lace.  The dress fit his model perfectly and she looked incredible in it – and looked as though she felt incredible in it.  Viktor’s design was more interesting but I thought it was a little over-designed and I really didn’t like the top.  Kudos for him, however, making that bag.  Hated the necklace with that blouse, however.  Despite those minor details, I wouldn’t have minded if he had won.  I would have if Anya had won.  I disliked Anya’s outfit intensely and don’t understand the love for it expressed here.  Perhaps I will when I see the stills of it.  To me, it was a typical Anya outfit, designed more for her than her client (who, admittedly, seemed to love it).  The shape was off-putting to me.  I wonder if she actually did the sleeve by herself since most of her other outfits seemed to be at least partially sewn (or mostly, when Becky was the designated seamstress) by others.

    • http://karensbooksandchocolate.blogspot.com/ Karenlibrarian

      I liked Josh’s dress the best also — he really did a nice job.  He was so much better this week (or better edited, I should say!) that I was actually rooting for him to win — until he made the remark about the coffee.  Grrr.  Actually, I liked all of the top three, so I would have been happy for any of them to win.  I think they’re all going to be the final three — Laura and Anthony Ryan have been very disappointing lately, and so has Kimberly.  I think either Bert or Precious Moments will be the next to go. 

    • Anonymous

      I thought it was the best thing Josh has ever done, but I still would have given Viktor the win. It may have looked overdesigned to you, but I think it was perfect for the client.

  • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

    I love the idea of Josh’s dress, but the final product looks cheap.  That lace is sad and cheap — there are much better lace fabrics and trims in the world, but that particular lace is just awful.

    Bryce’s could have been really pretty if it had fit!  I mean, you’re asking for garments for actual people; there’s only so far designers can go with that without making the client really uncomfortable in the finished piece.  I thought the pocket (while ridiculously impractical) was a nice way of doing something a little interesting while not going so far that it would make the woman wearing it feel awkward.

  • Anonymous

    Josh is totally sabotaging other people. He told Bert he liked the length of the dress last ep and they judges hated it, then he told Bryce he liked the pink with the grey which was hiddy. I thought that was pretty shade of pink, I love that color and it is flattering on just about everyone. The fabric is so overworked and poorly sewn.

    • Lulu Lafurge

      I agree, annrr. Bryce was confused to begin with – and it seemed that his insecurity came from not having any wins in the past, as well as being afraid to be emotional about his boyfriend. Perhaps if he’d just taken the cue from his male client and just channeled both of their love into that dress, it would have turned out much better. Josh totally played on Bryce’s confusion and gave him bad advice about the grey and the pink going together. Thank heaven Tim kinda steered him toward using all pink.

      In any competition like that, I would never listen to the advice of an a-hole like Josh. And I would take the advice even of the nicest person with a grain of salt.

  • txlilcub1961

    I loved how Josh made Bryce’s “aufing” all about him…”Who’s going to make my coffee?” 

    • Anonymous

      I thought the same thing. He’s the center of his narcissistic little universe.

  • Anonymous

    I wore Josh’s dress when I was a bridesmaid a few years ago. Really. I swear.
    Victor and Anya were robbed!
    I was tired of Bryce and therefore feel fine about him going home. I wanted to slap him.
    Kukla, Frank and Ollie references – you guys make me giggle.

    • Anonymous

      As simple as it is it’s kind of an unfair criticism but:
      If Josh’s dress was any other color we all probably would have shat on it for being to brides maidy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

    Josh, button up your shirt a few, please.

  • Anonymous

    When I saw Bryce wearing that flimsy, misplaced tie around his neck like a noose I knew he’d thrown in the towel, given up and it was over. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

    Exactly, TLo! Nina should put her Leboutin down, any moment now, and refuse to play along. I’m sure she does it at her other job, sometimes.

  • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

    I’m looking at the photos of Bryce’s model. She is loving herself in that pretty, pink dress. And she looks really cute in it. It has some flaws, no doubt, and it was past time for Bryce to go home. But I totally agree with TLo and several other posters that there was no reason to tear him, or the dress, apart in the manner the judges did. Even worse was the way they ridiculed that poor girl. If she wants to put her friggin’ keys in her pockets, she doesn’t have to check with Heidi Klum or Nina Garcia to make sure it’s OK. The judges’ behavior was reprehensible. She was probably really excited about being on PR, and then she’s treated like a member of The Great Unwashed for wanting a dress that’s pretty and practical. Shame on the judges. Shame.

  • Anonymous

    Re Bryce: completely agree with your assesment of both the dress and the judges “critique”

    Re Josh: again, agree…. but was that dress really a true black? Did anyone else think it looked like a very deep green in one or two shots under the lighting of the workroom?

    Re Kukla Fran & Ollie:  OMG, I haven’t thought of that show in at least a decade…. Hollah if you remember first seeing the classic French film “The Red Balloon” when KF&O hosted it on the CBS Children’s Film Festival, one long-ago Saturday afternoon!

    • http://twitter.com/1carmelita 1carmelita

       Count me as one who remembers!

    • Anonymous

      omg yes

    • Anonymous

      I am SO old….just throw me onto the nearest ice floe with some Colt Models and let me drift off….

    • Anonymous

      The Red Balloon!  I hated that movie.

    • pacconci

      Didn’t see Red Baloon with kf&o but first viewed it as a tot one evening in the late 50s or very early 60s. I was thrilled and even though I have a VHS copy, I still tune in whenever I see it broadcast. Now that I have visited Paris, my experience is even richer. Thanks for reminding me of my favorite short.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Josh–shave and scrub your face–you don’t look chic–you look dirty.

  • Anonymous

    Okay. Whom do you see as Kukla? Kors for the clown look, or would that be Clinique Counter?

  • Anonymous

    From Uncle Nick’s blog on the PR site: “Frankly, I wish they had taken this to a whole other level and decided to make this a Gay & Lesbian Partners Challenge, in honor of the NYC Freedom to Marry Act.”

    For a millisecond after hearing that the designers would create looks for the men’s “better halves,” I thought, “Hmmm, some of you may still have to design menswear.” Alas, on Lifetime, “better half” = “woman,” and while we can see gay male designers talking to and about their partners, we don’t get to see them rubbing against mannequin/ partner substitutes or uttering the phrase, “I fell in love with his [choose your favorite sexy boy part],” a la “boob man” hetero Anthony.

    To TLo’s comment on the gender politics of Lifetime: Did you also notice how the men who knew quite a bit about their partner’s tastes got comparatively little screen time, even when one man’s fashion-forwardness was cited as the reason for not awarding Viktor the win?

    On Josh’s win for a more glamourous version of a fairly standard design: Really, judges, he won because the challenge was “hard for him”? It’s a competition. It’s supposed to be hard.

    Favorite quotes:
    “Real women aren’t models.” (Josh, honey, you need to switch around those terms).
    “Those boobs are going to be trouble.” (Oh, Precious Moments: Diva Line, I say the same thing to myself every morning).

    Olivier’s fear of breasts generated a mental image of him being chased by a giant breast like the one in Woody Allen’s Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex. I reacted similarly to Josh’s squeamishness around feminine hygiene products as he apologized to Becky in the women’s room, only that mental image involved the other designers pelting him with such products, a la Carrie. Clearly the clothes this season aren’t dazzling enough to contain my mind.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      it would be even more wonderful if only some of the partners were men & some were women. meaning: just as natural as rain, & no more commentworthy.

      twenty years ago, i know it’s hard to believe, but seeing a black guy & a white woman together, married, would have been incredibly shocking. w/ hope, it will be less than twenty years before we can see same sex partnered people in the same light as we, as an idiotcutlure, once saw what was once called miscegenation.

      • Anonymous

        38 years ago, Mr Meowing and I were denied a rental apartment because the mgr didn’t want a “mixed up couple” (he’s Indian, I’m not).  Of course, we were too young and stupid to fight it then, but then again, we certainly didn’t want to live near that creep.

    • Anonymous

      Quickly!  Someone needs to send Precious Moments a copy of Philip Roth’s, “The Breast”!

    • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

      honestly, I’m glad they didn’t have gay couples. The challenge was clearly a bait and switch of “I’m going to pick the slender male to design for….. Oh no, I’m designing for someone completely different!” and while there may not be a difference in the couples, there is a HUGE difference in making menswear vs. womenswear. It’s one thing for one or two designers to get very difficult clients. It’s another for each designer to be in completely different categories.The was the “real woman” challenge with a twist… I don’t think it ws meant to be a commentary on gay vs. straight. Also, Bryce’s couple = utterly adorable. Loved Them.

      • http://twitter.com/jessie_liz88 Jessica Rodgers

        also, I love your commentary of Oliviviviers line. add in a heavy sigh and I”m there. ;)

  • Toto Maya

    Bryce looked like he had been sentenced to death after he was aufed. I think he was ready to go though.

    Josh shouldn’t have won. It’s a lovely dress, but giving him the win just because he resisted the temptation to glue tacky shit onto it is stupid.

    • Anonymous

      I think it’s pretty from the back, but from the front, it makes her look like a linebacker.

  • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

    Well, I’m not sure if it’s producer-manipulation or reality-TV scriptwriting but I felt like the male clients were probably acting all macho and caveman-ish because of the predominance of gay men in the workroom. I find some straight men act-out their exaggerated masculinity in such situations just so it’s clear that they are indeed straight. On another note, I know it’s a reality show and the everyday-women models and their partners knew what they were in for but I thought that the way the judges handled the critiques of the bottom three while the women were obvioulsy loving the outfits made for them was a bit out of line. It’s different when you’re speaking to design and fit flaws while a model wears the clothes. When you refer to clothes that the women specifically were involved in designing and were proudly wearing on the runway, I thought the judges should at least have exercised some tact. 

    I’ve been watching this show since Season 1 and though I intentionally missed Seasons 6 and 7 entirely because that was around the time when I grew tired of the show, I started watching it again last year. It has definitely changed through subsequent seasons though I’ll have to say that the show always had that run of the mill reality-TV characters who were picked as contestants just for that very reason. I never was a huge fan of the judging (especially MK’s completely incoherent remarks) but I have to agree that the thinking behind who wins and who’s out is dumbed down to a great extent in the last two seasons. I’m still going to watch this season, look forward to the part where the clothes parade down on the runway show, and stick my favorites as far as contestants, but no way will I take this show any more seriously than I would have in the past and I’m cool with that.

  • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

    Well, I’m not sure if it’s producer-manipulation or reality-TV scriptwriting but I felt like the male clients were probably acting all macho and caveman-ish because of the predominance of gay men in the workroom. I find some straight men act-out their exaggerated masculinity in such situations just so it’s clear that they are indeed straight. On another note, I know it’s a reality show and the everyday-women models and their partners knew what they were in for but I thought that the way the judges handled the critiques of the bottom three while the women were obvioulsy loving the outfits made for them was a bit out of line. It’s different when you’re speaking to design and fit flaws while a model wears the clothes. When you refer to clothes that the women specifically were involved in designing and were proudly wearing on the runway, I thought the judges should at least have exercised some tact. 

    I’ve been watching this show since Season 1 and though I intentionally missed Seasons 6 and 7 entirely because that was around the time when I grew tired of the show, I started watching it again last year. It has definitely changed through subsequent seasons though I’ll have to say that the show always had that run of the mill reality-TV characters who were picked as contestants just for that very reason. I never was a huge fan of the judging (especially MK’s completely incoherent remarks) but I have to agree that the thinking behind who wins and who’s out is dumbed down to a great extent in the last two seasons. I’m still going to watch this season, look forward to the part where the clothes parade down on the runway show, and stick my favorites as far as contestants, but no way will I take this show any more seriously than I would have in the past and I’m cool with that.

  • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

    it just now dawned on me that he’s had all those dimples put in. as natural as the rest of the product, & just as unfortunate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506473106 Mori Clark

    so confused, so frustrated with this season of project runway. how, how, HOW was olivier’s disaster not in the bottom 3? i don’t mind bryce’s going home too much, although the reasoning was incorrect- but i flagged olivier for going home as soon as it walked down the runway. it was just…. BAD. the pants were going up her ass and no woman wants that, seriously. and the top made her look chunky- she has a set of boobs, wow, that’s the whole point of you being a designer precious moments!! you’re supposed to make them look great, not make her look older. 

    i hate josh so much. he is a good part of why this season is being ruined in my eyes. 

    anyways, yeah. producers need to stop being so clumsy with their handlings because the worse they get, the more i dont want to watch. you have a simple formula that has worked for around 8 seasons- talented people making outfits, best get rewarded and the worst go home, they have drama because they’re all fashion designers. add drama through crazy challenges or pairing people up or whatever, that’s fine- but once they start messing with the outcome, it’s really, really frustrating to watch, and pisses me off. 

  • Anonymous

    Was there any indication where they found these guys? At first I thought maybe they were connected to the show or Lifetime in some way, but I don’t recall every hearing that. So then I decided they just grabbed the first seven guys they could find who were willing to shout, “Boobs!” plus one hippy dude and one artsy guy who somehow confused them or pretended to be all “Boobs!” when they were casting.

  • Anonymous

    Yes! I thought the exact same thing. Kimberly has empathy. She’s not usually fuzzy-warm with her fellow contestants, but I’m beginning to think that’s more a function of knowing that they don’t deserve it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Margaret-Carlson-Nikoleit/100002490979930 Margaret Carlson Nikoleit

    My husband actually paused the show (we always DVR it so we can skip commercials and go back over “he said WHAT?” moments) and told me exactly what he’d say about me and my style. Which was a lot, and mostly accurate. I was pleasantly surprised.

  • Anonymous

    After reading your thoughts on this episode, (at great risk of sounding like a middle-aged mom trying to be with it)…,

    Word!

  • Chris Boutee

    I take exception to TLo’s comment about Olivierieri because that’s exactly how I would expect a REAL avant-garde designer (like Alexander McQueen or John Galliano) to react: “This is my art. Take it or leave it, bitches.” In other words, “This is my vision. If you like it, you’ll buy it. If not, you and I aren’t meant for each other.” I mean, what true artist in any medium designs for an everyday consumer? (Except for Michael Kors or Andy Warhol.) If PR is truly about finding the next best artistic talent, than Olivier or Victor’s your man. If you want a designer who can do twists on what already has been done, then you’ve got the Joshes and Gretchens of the world. I know Olivier is young, but that’s what makes his resistance to compromise (especially to the whims of a tacky, rich fashionista-wanna-be) more endearing. Rock your youthful impulses, Precious Moments. You’ll be giving in to the real world soon enough.

    • http://profiles.google.com/valencia.lucia87 Lucía Valencia

      I dissagree. For the super simple reason that this little brat is NOT McQueen or Galliano by a LOOONG shot. And nobody forced him to come on the show, I doubt he never watched it before so he knew what he was in for, he knew he had to compromise and jump through hoops. I really don’t think he’s an artist, just and immature and egocentric dude that shoulve really stayed home with his dressforms that don’t talk back and just stick with making “pretty” things that nobody is gonna wear (those a really big quote signs).

      • Chris Boutee

        He’s 21, for chrissake. I think Mac and Galliano would have had the same reactions at that age. I say good on him. Oh, and p.s. – I think he had the most interesting and original looks in the final runway show.

        • Anonymous

          If he was an artist like McQueen and Galliano  - or even felt like he was one in the making, he would not go on a reality show that routinely makes designers work with “untraditional” materials, limits their budgets and forces them to work with “real women” While it’s interesting to dream up what McQueen would have done for the Season One Postal challenge – he probably wouldn’t have won, but then he wouldn’t have gone on PR to begin with. It’s Season 9, he had to know boobs were coming into play at some point. 

        • Anonymous

          You’re being awfully presumptuous. Emphasis on the awful. 

          In all honesty, Olivier’s reactions speak of someone with a complete lack of confidence in his own abilities. “I hate boobs and people who talk” looked more like code for “I don’t have confidence sewing for a woman with boobs and people make me nervous.” He was having lots of trouble confronting his couple when they could actually hear him, but no problem complaining about them when they couldn’t hear.

        • http://profiles.google.com/valencia.lucia87 Lucía Valencia

          I was gonna answer this, but Citric and marinygirl already did perfectly.

    • Anonymous

      That’s not a realistic argument. Even designers such as McQueen or Galliano have to design garments to fit the women who will wear them. The models are not buying the clothes. A real design adapts his or her clothing to real-life situations. What you might see is the runway, but the runway is advertising and PR. The money is in selling the clothes to high-end clients of all shapes and sizes. 

    • Anonymous

      Don’t know much about other designer, but by 21 McQueen had been an apprentice tailor on Savile Row for several
      years before going on to work for Romeo Gigli in Milan, so he was far
      ahead of any of these designers by that point.

      His whole career was then launched by one client, Isabella Blow, who saw
      his graduation show from Central St Martins and bought the entire
      collection; he spent the next year making the clothes for her.

      He also had several sisters and talked about making clothes for them
      when he was growing up, and feeling protective of them, seeing clothes
      as a kind of protective shield. Not to mention that he was very close to his mother.

      McQueen was a mess but I’ve always felt in interviews with him that he was very curious about the world and didn’t project a vibe of ‘Take it or leave it bitches’ despite how aggressive some of his work might seem.

      • Anonymous

        And he probably wasn’t terrified of women, which Olivier clearly is.

      • Anonymous

        And he probably wasn’t terrified of women, which Olivier clearly is.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        thanks for saying this. i was gonna say something like it but i’m beat today & couldnt think of the words.

        my comment woulda been more like:
        nah– old punks like mcqueen & galliano spent their mispent youths designing clothes for their friends & old punks were not all tall thin models. cf vivienne westwood, if you will–

        but you did a way way better job. not to mention that you included family, which was marvellous in its own right.

        thanks for all of it.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        thanks for saying this. i was gonna say something like it but i’m beat today & couldnt think of the words.

        my comment woulda been more like:
        nah– old punks like mcqueen & galliano spent their mispent youths designing clothes for their friends & old punks were not all tall thin models. cf vivienne westwood, if you will–

        but you did a way way better job. not to mention that you included family, which was marvellous in its own right.

        thanks for all of it.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        thanks for saying this. i was gonna say something like it but i’m beat today & couldnt think of the words.

        my comment woulda been more like:
        nah– old punks like mcqueen & galliano spent their mispent youths designing clothes for their friends & old punks were not all tall thin models. cf vivienne westwood, if you will–

        but you did a way way better job. not to mention that you included family, which was marvellous in its own right.

        thanks for all of it.

  • Anonymous

    I thought that Michael’s sound-bite critique, “That dress is a stereotype! She’s carrying beer in her pockets! Here’s where this woman is REALLY going dressed like that!” was over-the-top and insensitive. These women aren’t professional models standing there doing their job. You could really see how uncomfortable and deflated she was when Michael was gleefully tormenting Bryce by ripping every aspect of the dress. Shame on him and the show for bringing in these couples who got (what one would assume is) a once-in-a-lifetime experience, only to be crushed publicly.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

      Yes, I’m really getting sick of Michael Kors nastiness, whether it’s directed at a designer or that sweet girl last night. He’s unprofessional. I guess professionalism is too much to expect anymore. 

    • Anonymous

      I agree.  Michael Kors was basically telling the woman that she had lousy taste and shaming her.  It would have been o.k. if he had talked more about the fit, the execution, and the technical issues (o.k., so maybe the pockets would have been as effective a punctuation if they were smaller).  

  • Anonymous

    My perspective on the judging is informed (or possibly deformed) by the fact that my introduction to PR was S6, aka “the lost season” in LA.  All season long, TLo’s bitter kittens complained, “The judging is so inconsistent!  Where are Michael and Nina?” 

    Well, here they are, and color me unimpressed. 

    I don’t know how much of what we see represents what Heidi, Michael, and Nina actually believe, and how much is edited/fed to them by BM (there’s an appropriate acronym!), but they are rarely constructive, frequently mean-spirited, and always capricious.  And as far as I’m concerned, you could replace all three of them with supermodel X, designer Y and editor Z, or with Folger’s Crystals, and the show would not suffer one iota.  (Tim is irreplaceable, but even he hasn’t been the same since his video blogs were muzzled halfway through S8.) 

    I might feel differently if I’d seen PR from the beginning, but I think the respect granted to PR’s triumvirate is based on past performance rather than anything they’re currently bringing to the table.

    • Anonymous

      I should add that I still enjoy watching the show to see what creative people come up with under pressure, but I definitely view the proceedings from the perspective of “us vs. them,” and the judges/producers in this equation (except Tim, of course) are The Enemy.  (If you’re annoyed with the judges, you might want to give this reading a try.) 

  • http://twitter.com/SetMeOnFYYYYAH Miss World

    what i was most frustrated by in this episode wasn’t necessarily Josh M’s win (blah) but the fact that next week will be ANOTHER team challenge! just stop.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

    oliver gave me the impression that he is a spoiled little brat with little life exerience (even for his age) this episode.  I was disappointed. 

    • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

      thanks for saying it so well.  He was abominable.  Then you throw in that he doesn’t like boobs and thinks women should be flat like a boy?  HELLO?  Hey, Olivier – I got a news flash for ya – them boobs probably fed ya, you silly boy.  And even if they didn’t, they had something to do with your mama getting pregnant so just shut up, puhleez!  And then he was babbling on about people shouldn’t be allowed to talk to him and they should just do what he says?  Where did this kid grow up?  How did this kid grow up?  Oh, wait.  He still needs to grow up – ALOT.  Blech.  I’m having as strong a reaction to his crap as I did to Josh’s bullying.  This show used to make me so damn happy.  Now it’s just upsetting.  I’d rather hang out with my angry middle child.

  • Logo Girl

    I’m under fifty (but barely) and I got the title. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      if one considers syndication i think “under forty” might be more likely. maybe 45.

  • Anonymous

    Someone needs to adjust the Percy the Persimmon’s meds, the quips are getting out of hand and completely nonsensical.

    Funny thing was the judges comments didn’t make sense but I can’t say I disagree with who they sent home. Bryce’s looked like I sewed it – and I can’t sew.

  • Anonymous

    I’d take the critique even one step farther. Sometimes, what the judges say doesn’t even match the result.  If BM is telling Heidi or Michael or Nina what to say or editing to the desired result, they aren’t doing a thorough enough job.  This season more than most, I’m having a hard time figuring out who the winner is from what the judges say.  It’s as if the judges talk, decide who the winner and loser should be, then the producers come in and make them change it.  That’s the only explanation I can think of for why so much of the discussion doesn’t fis the result. 

    I’m used to not agreeing with the judges, but it seems like even the judges don’t agree with the results. It’s off-putting, like watching a movie where the sound and the film don’t sync.    

  • Anonymous

    I’d take the critique even one step farther. Sometimes, what the judges say doesn’t even match the result.  If BM is telling Heidi or Michael or Nina what to say or editing to the desired result, they aren’t doing a thorough enough job.  This season more than most, I’m having a hard time figuring out who the winner is from what the judges say.  It’s as if the judges talk, decide who the winner and loser should be, then the producers come in and make them change it.  That’s the only explanation I can think of for why so much of the discussion doesn’t fis the result. 

    I’m used to not agreeing with the judges, but it seems like even the judges don’t agree with the results. It’s off-putting, like watching a movie where the sound and the film don’t sync.    

    • Anonymous

      I think you’re right.  Last week, Oliver looked to be the clear winner and then when Anya’s name was said, it came as a shock because she got so little critique.  And when Viktor and Josh tied a few weeks ago, everyone was shocked because Anya and Becky had more to do with the maxidress than he did.  It’s whack-a-doodle (as Suede would say).

  • J Dreesen

    i am just feeling bitter because another circle skirt = wonderful design by Clinique Counter.  by the way, we have resorted to just calling her “Gretchen” here at our house, because she keeps getting praise over Mondo…er…i mean, Victor.

  • J Dreesen

    i am just feeling bitter because another circle skirt = wonderful design by Clinique Counter.  by the way, we have resorted to just calling her “Gretchen” here at our house, because she keeps getting praise over Mondo…er…i mean, Victor.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F73LIJ3SJGI5AJQMXMWXCKILHI Pamela

    After reading this post & the comments, I am ever so glad I decided to skip this season.  I don’t need the aggravation.  The bloom is indeed off the rose….

  • Anonymous

    fine with Bryce’s aufing, but mostly thank you for that screen cap of Clinque. After a week of him on his good behavior, I needed something to hit.

  • Anonymous

    OMG, I love the posts about the Michael and Nina dolls. The most annoying thing about this episode was that husband going ON and ON about his wifes boobs, that was cringe worthy to watch. Wow, who knew cherubic Oliver had it in him? Josh’s dress was nice, I thought this was a fashion show and nice doesn’t cut it? Oh, I guess that varies week to week, it was pretty, but plain and I really hated those shoes with it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

    I know I’m getting sick of this show when I fast forward through most of the judging to just find out who won or lost. What a freaking waste of time. Where did they dredge up that guy with the boob fetish? When he did that motorboat thing I couldn’t believe it. How insulting. I wish Tim had been there. 

  • Christina MacDonnell

    pretty sure i just saw a carbon copy of josh’s “winning” dress in the modcloth advertisement sidebar.  that should NEVER happen.  disappointed.

    • Anonymous

      I’m pretty damn sure I tried on the white version of his dress when I was looking for wedding gowns.

      two years ago.

  • Jennifer Coleman

    I’ have to irritatingly eat my words on Josh this week – he designed a dress that was for a real woman, not a female version of himself – at least for this challenge. But there’s something contrived about Josh so overtly not bedazzling the dress, announcing every 5 minutes his angst over the simplicity, the judges exclaiming over his restraint. I suppose we can check off the ‘contestant who overcomes his design peccadillo’ box for the season.
    And I’ll have you know I’m well familiar with KF&O at the wee age of 48.

    • Anonymous

      I thought it was Anya who was supposed to be filling that role with her “I learned to sew 5 minutes ago” schtick.

  • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

    My little brother used to see me watching lifetime and say, “Oh, you’re watching the Vagina Network.  Any tampon commercials on yet?”  But man, you guys nailed it with the silly husbands. What on earth???   Thanks for making me LOL:
    “Heh. Heh. BOOBS!”“I don’t know what my wife wears, what colors she likes, or where she shops. I only ever really notice her when she’s naked or fixing me something to eat.”“Me am stupid man. Me lose dress. Me scared of angry wife.”

  • vmcdanie

    I say the same thing every week too, that being “Thank you.” Josh’s was ok. I didn’t dislike it. I was unpleasantly surprised it got the win (it was almost a dead heat between Victor and Anya with Anya finally winning because her look was so original.)

    But the harsh critique of Bryce was kind of shocking. Also not my favorite look-there were some fit issues and it looked like it needed pressing. I can remember someone in season 6 being lauded for having pockets on a dress and the judges crowed like the designer (Carol Hannah maybe?) had invented pockets. I didn’t think they were cartoonishly large nor did I think they made her look hippy and I didn’t think Bryce’s customer was delusional for saying she’d put her keys in them.

    The men in the episode were either cartoons or cloying but I did think it was kind of an interesting challenge and an original way to mess with the designers’ heads.

    I know that I’m going to sound like I just wandered in out of the corn field but you really think that the producers have been meddling with the outcome since season one? What is the balance between their meddling and the judges’ opinions? 

    • Anonymous

      To me, Wendy from season 1 is a clear example of producer meddling. She had a weaker point of view and a couple of very badly constructed outfits.  She got as far as she did because of her personality.

      Now by “meddling with the outcome” you might mean producers choosing the overall winner and I wouldn’t go that far. But because of their meddling, the right people may not be making it to the top three.

    • Anonymous

      The pocket thing is what pissed me off with the judges (and fashion in general) why the fuck can’t women have pockets? What the hell is so bad about bloody pockets?!

  • Anonymous

    I thought Victor deserved the win. Josh’s is well made to be sure. But this is the third circle skirt that he has been in the top three for. I love a well cut circle, but they aren’t exactly fashion forward. And the back neckline looks allot like the winning collection from last week. I wasn’t surprised that he won because his client had the most model like proportions. 

  • Anonymous

    Finally got to see the show, and I feel like I’m crazy but Josh’s dress should have been safe at best, and I hated Anya’s. I’m just dumbfounded that Viktor didn’t win.

    Laura and Bert could have swapped places; I thought Bert should have been safe. Laura’s dress was really trashy.

    I agree that this was the most designed thing Bryce did, and I did like it in theory but the fit and construction were truly terrible. That couple was soooo cute though.

    As for Oliver, I actually wasn’t offended by him at all. My take was that he realized his positions were not a good reflection on himself but he was just being honest. His couple was kind of pushy, but he does need to learn how to deal with people. I liked the finished outfit though.

    Also, I would bet good money that these men were coached to be over the top, and the couples were told how to push their designer’s buttons.

    Best line: Bert to his client, “I’m sure you’re a lot of fun.”

  • http://profiles.google.com/spandexalii Ali King

    Okay, I finally realized who Viktor reminds me of. Goob from the animated movie “Meet the Robinsons” ! The little abandoned kid. But anyway, definitely thought Viktor deserved the win, I would’ve worn that outfit in a heartbeat. The skirt was killer.

    http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktikroPgcG1qzflj0o1_500.jpg 

    • Anonymous

      That outfit reminded me of Cary Mulligan (sp?)  Fun, a little punky, but also appropriate, girly and classic.  

  • Anonymous

    I always feel terrible for the women brought in for the “Real Women” challenges – every time I am reminded of Robert in S3 saying, “Does she know the kind of humiliation she’s going to be in for?” From the designers freaking out because they’re not sample sizes to the judges insulting them on the runway, humiliations galore – when, honestly, most of them probably just wanted to meet Tim.

    Oh, and when I saw the preview of this episode at the end of the last episode, when they showed Bert’s client demonstrating his “fondness” with a dress form, I knew to dread it in a whole new way.

    But, the winning and losing dresses:
    Josh’s was nice, it was fine, there is really nothing wrong with it – or especially right with it. It’s a cute dress that could be found in pretty much any store that sells cute dresses. Right next to Bert’s. Which was in the bottom 3. I certainly don’t mind that they praised him for listening to his client. (I do mind that they basically held the same thing against Viktor).

    Bryce’s was actually not bad. It has a few problems, the execution foremost, but overall he did an okay job. Yet for some reason, we were treated to the judges bending over backward to find or invent reasons for him to be sent home, when they could have just said exactly what Nina said about Rob in the Postal Worker challenge in S1.

    • kjthorp

      You totally speak the truth. If I was one of the “real women” I would just be super thrilled to meet Tim also.
      I would also want to meet and talk to Nina. The two of them are making the show for me.

    • akprincess72

      Yep, I too would do it for Tim.   Though to be honest, it would be fun to see some little priss lose it over creating clothing for a size 20 body…   =D

  • Anonymous

    I wish the judges had to pick the top and bottom three (at least) “blind,” i.e. without knowing which designer did which.  Some designers, like Anya, are recognizable every single time, but others aren’t.  It would add an element of surprise (and fun) if the judges weren’t quite sure who they were picking for top and bottom and safe every time.  

  • Anonymous

    I dont agree with this post at all. I think they legit gave him the win and legit disliked Bryces and are legit hypocritical.

  • Anonymous

    You could see Bryce’s loser edit a mile away.

    I dunno, I thought Bert’s was pretty tacky. The material looked cheap as hell, & while I’m not about to tell someone who isn’t getting paid thousands to wear clothes what to wear, but it looked waaayyy too short to me.

    I think Viktor should have won this one, but whatever. I’m over the producer bullshit beating out the actual judging.

  • Anonymous

    You could see Bryce’s loser edit a mile away.

    I dunno, I thought Bert’s was pretty tacky. The material looked cheap as hell, & while I’m not about to tell someone who isn’t getting paid thousands to wear clothes what to wear, but it looked waaayyy too short to me.

    I think Viktor should have won this one, but whatever. I’m over the producer bullshit beating out the actual judging.

  • kjthorp

    Oh TLo, I love and appreciate you more with every post.
    You have just made this hard day better.

    I can’t wait to see what Ninacaps you have in store for us.

    XOXOXO
    Kristina

  • mc90

    You two are a note of sanity in a cacaphony of wacko. Nonetheless, I simply MUST ask: Do you still like Project Runway? I begin to wonder.
    —Emmylou

  • Anonymous

    Michael Kors is so very tiring to listen to. Too bad Nina’s not in on the production action. Wouldn’t that be great?

    And WTH is with yet another group challenge coming up? Noooooooooo.

  • Anonymous

    Bulls*** that Joshua won. Yes, I won’t deny that it was a beautiful dress, with great detailing, I loved how he used the lace on the dress, nice placement, but he chose the safest thing ever to design, a Little Black Dress. Yes a beautiful made, nicely detailed LBD, but still an LBD, that indeed was was reiterated in this posting, could be found in a department store. Anya’s was much more fashion, and had “Wow” factor to it. Her’s looked like a one of a kind dress for that woman, that no one could get anywhere else, which was also the point of the challenge, design a garment for this woman. I don’t lust for Olivier’s blood yet, yes he was a bit bitchy, but hey given how far we are into the season, the pressure is probably getting to a boiling point for him, which is a hell of a lot more understandable than using an excuse say like my mom died two years ago. I’m sure if this wasn’t competition, Olivier wouldn’t be so cold, the pressure gets to some people more than others, and it may be getting to him hard. Plus he is the youngest here, and usually the youngest contestants on the show have some ‘tude issues, that poke up here and there, and later in the season. Christian wasn’t exactly an angel attitude wise, nor was April, at least to Michael C last season. I think the youngest ones always feel the pressure a bit more. And anyway, his client didn’t seem too pissed at him, she seemed supportive actually, like when she said “We’re gonna get it together, don’t you worry Olivier” and told him “breathe” because he was rushing to finish. It could have been highly edited, but she seemed understanding of the pressure he was facing with the competition. Bryce’s number was up a long time ago, it just took it this long for him to finally be out of lives. He played it entirely too safe the entire time he was here, nothing he made was as good as his audition rack, with that stunning feather cape and skirt he had on there.

  • http://twitter.com/Emenie_em Emma

    I still haven’t seen this episode, but when you said Bryce I had no idea who he was. Not a face, not a past design, nothing. And that’s probably why he had to go.

  • Anonymous

    May we have an addendum to this in which you judge the designers’ runway attire?

  • Anonymous

    Is it my imagination, or do all the designers this season have a thing against clothing with backs? Almost everything I’ve seen has an open back that plunges to the waist. This, of course, screws up one’s ability to wear a bra, and most of us need one because we have those boobs that so frighten Oliv[i]er.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Tom and Lorenzo,

    You know this show – and how it works – probably better than anyone. Can you one day write up a little piece about the influence the producers do have – especially on the contestants who are initially chosen, on the judges’ decisions every episode and on how each challenge is formulated?

    I’d love to hear about these inner workings.

    As ever, great job,

    trutho

  • Stephen Trask

    T Lo, I couldn’t agree more that something is whack or out of whack about the judging.  But could it be that the conflict is right there on the stage.  Heidi, as a judge and producer, seemed to lose a battle a few weeks ago about whether the judging was to be cumulative or “one day in/next day out” and it would seem that she lost.  Nina and Michael may have been told that they could judge based on a designer’s entire output and whether or not they have seen enough or want more from any particular contestant but that they must justify their decisions as if they were based solely on the day’s challenge.  
    On another subject, have you noticed that only two designers, Anya and Anthony Ryan, have generated any fan interest?

  • Anonymous

    My cockatiels are names Fran and Ollie!   Anyhoo, I think Viktor was robbed again.  Don’t get me wrong, I like Josh’s dress alot.  I think it is a nice black dress that I would love to have in my closet  I could see wearing that year after year.  However Nina’s comment about it working in any color is nonsense.  Picture that in pink.  Case closed.  Bryce so dearly needed to go.  Maybe I am not trendy enough to know what’s on trend but that dress was hiddy and fit was atrocious.  

    • sarah jacobs

      Oddly enough the Mod Cloth ad on TLO is nearly identical to the Josh dress. it’s a dress. it’s been done. Nothing, not the cut, not the fabric  not the color make it interesting. it fit well. that’s it.

  • http://profiles.google.com/phyllis.craine Phyllis Craine

    So yeah Josh’s dress is well made but its sure not well *pressed* there are shiny iron marks all over the seams!  Use a press cloth dude, there must be some silk organza scraps around the workroom.

  • Anonymous

    Three things:

    1. Yesterday, a friend said that Josh’s face evokes the Uncanny Valley. I agree.
    2. Baby Bryce, you’re adorable but your tie placement choices make me sad.
    3. Olivier hates my boobs. “What is double D? That’s, like, ginormous, right? *GROAN*”

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

       1. Yesterday, a friend said that Josh’s makeup evokes the Uncanny Valley. I agree.

      you got yrself another vote. bingo. that & his plastic surgery.

       3. Olivier hates my boobs. “What is double D? That’s, like, ginormous, right? *GROAN*

      could i work up some anger against him, i could dream he came here & i, sight unseen, took him out to dinner. so help me, if that terrifies him, he wouldnt live thru his soup.
      but he’s just a kid, he’s as interested in women as he is in miniature articulated wooden artists models {actually, he probably likes them better} & i just cant take him seriously.

  • Anonymous

    I thought the garment Josh send on the runway was lovely. he knows how to construct and design. He has to tone the tackyness down and lose basically his whole persona to become bearable.
    I still think Viktor got robbed of the win (pouting right now).
    The fact is, I was genuially surprised by Bryce aufing : he had so much screen time, from the struggling to the meltdown to the proverbial phoenix resurrection. I thought it was all winner editing. Then the garment went down the runway and I was wondering “what ? That is going to win ? I’ve been misguided by the editing. I thought Olivier was a goner, but the editing was a red erring.
    I love Bert but I think he was saved because of 1/Heidi’s love for the underdogs 2/he can still bring more drama (And in your next episode of PR, see Bert dealing with obnoxious team and bullying them in a challenge never seen before in the whole history of PR ! Stay tuned).
    As I said before, Bryce was on the boring side. It show in his fake-finale collection.

  • Anonymous

    I thought the garment Josh send on the runway was lovely. he knows how to construct and design. He has to tone the tackyness down and lose basically his whole persona to become bearable.
    I still think Viktor got robbed of the win (pouting right now).
    The fact is, I was genuially surprised by Bryce aufing : he had so much screen time, from the struggling to the meltdown to the proverbial phoenix resurrection. I thought it was all winner editing. Then the garment went down the runway and I was wondering “what ? That is going to win ? I’ve been misguided by the editing. I thought Olivier was a goner, but the editing was a red erring.
    I love Bert but I think he was saved because of 1/Heidi’s love for the underdogs 2/he can still bring more drama (And in your next episode of PR, see Bert dealing with obnoxious team and bullying them in a challenge never seen before in the whole history of PR ! Stay tuned).
    As I said before, Bryce was on the boring side. It show in his fake-finale collection.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

    The pockets were cute. But the judges have always hated that silhouette one week and then loved it the next. At this point it would actually be inconsistent for the judging to have any kind of consistency.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Rhodes/602850414 Catherine Rhodes

      Good point.

  • Anonymous

    Can we just all agree to slap Josh and tell him to get over himself :-)

  • Anonymous

    I think Viktor should have won, but I have to admit that I really liked Josh’s dress. I would buy it and look good in it. For a lbd, it’s quite nice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Rhodes/602850414 Catherine Rhodes

    I could not believe the hypocrisy of this episode where the pink dress was criticized for making her look big in the hips. Hello!? What about the winning look from Episode 1 where Precious Moments’ ombre skirt and dog blanket top added 40 pounds to the model and made her look like a linebacker?

    I had heard that PR was different from other reality TV cuz it was based on talent rather than histrionics. This is my first season watching and doubtful I’ll continue. This epi really put it over the top.

    Excellent reference on Kukla, Fran and Ollie. Damn, you guys are CLEVER.

  • Anonymous

    I’m more than a little bored with Josh’s look.  It’s just another circle skirt.  It’s something he has done at least 3 times during the competition.  As for Bryce I thought the look was painful.  I can’t imagine loading up those pockets with keys!  I would hope that the judges would not have loved the look if it was a pet designer. 

  • Anonymous

    Yeah I knew for sure Bryce was going home when it came down to him and Anthony Ryan, after all the praise that’s been lavished on old One-Ball.

    I’m beginning to find myself disturbingly attracted to Josh. Yes he’s gay and not interested in my vagina and he’s kind of an ass, but he has kind of a Zachary Quinto-ish prettiness that I never really noticed before.

    These FUCKING gays and their insistence on being pretty it INFURIATES ME.

  • Anonymous

    You guys are so on the mark this week! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1076965285 Shannon Tierney

    Ah, I just finally got to watch this today, so I’m past the commenting frenzy, but how delighted was I to see the winning look wearing SHOES THAT I OWN!!!!! and paired with a simple black sleeveless dress to take in a show in NYC a few weeks ago.
    I am so very happy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPU3E3JBQ7IYRNTIFQ3ZOP5BNE lizzied

    You are gods! Alright, deifying might be a little much, but at least *someone* sees the crap besides me. It seems like every episode we have to paint a big red target around the loser, and this time was no exception. They focused on Bryce missing his boyfriend so that we, the veiwers, wouldn’t feel bad that he was sent home. Which doesn’t make me feel better at all, by the by, it just makes me feel more sympathetic. But if I see one more image of two catty designers eating- not sewing which is what they should be doing- and bashing on the obviously out designer I might just have to scream. I don’t want to see the designers dish about their competition, that’s MY job. Theirs is to sew and stand on the runway. I cannot fully express my distain for they backstage bitchyness that they only put in there as a time filler now that they have an hour and a half.