PR: Becky, Kimberley, Viktor

Posted on September 06, 2011

Darlings, we’re busy trying on clothes and packing for Fashion Week and we (like, we suspect, you) are totally over the so-called “avant garde” episode of Project Runway. But we’re nothing if not completionists and the minions do like to pound a topic into submission, so let’s do this.

This is not avant garde. This is The Gap by way of Etsy.


Meaning, it’s a standard denim dress with some artsy-craftsy touches that don’t make any sense.


Oh sure; you can see where she got the idea from…

… but the fact that she translated it so literally does not speak well of the design.

And the skirt just looks stupid. Almost none of the designers truly attempted anything avant garde but this “make a standard dress and add weird things to it” attempt really grates on our nerves.

We really loved Kimberley’s take. It’s also not avant garde.

In fact, in a lot of ways it’s fairly referential of other designers.

We suspect this is why it was waved through without comment by the judges. We’d imagine their thoughts came down to “Not bad, but we’ve seen all this before.”


Which isn’t to say it’s perfectly done otherwise. The skirt gets pretty sloppy at parts and she may have overdone the use of feathers.

But it was a strong look…

… although it may have been a bit too literal.

Next to Bert’s, Viktor’s was the only entry we can look at, squint, and say “I can sort of see calling this avant garde…”

Perhaps not coincidentally, he didn’t take a strictly literal approach.

It’s a thoughtful take and it made for an interesting dress.
Maybe not as elegant or as pretty as it could have been, but the effort and the thinking behind it are obvious.

We like the shredded effect…

As well as all the layering, pleating, and shirring going on. It reminds us quite a bit of Rodarte without ripping it off. Nina probably would have loved this. The more we look at it the more we think it should have been in the Top 3, if not the winner. It really is interesting, and that’s not something you can say about most of the other entries.

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    • Anonymous

      I think Anthony’s color scheme was more on track w/ his painting than Victor’s was…

      • Anonymous

        but it was still cut out fabric glued onto a really simple dress…for a two day avant garde challenge.

        • Anonymous

          Well,  yeah, I didn’t say it was a better dress…just that it referred to the painting a bit better.

        • Anonymous

          The other thing that bugged me about Anthony’s win is that the dress so obviously was the same thought behind his birdseed dress (glue stuff onto stuff) and the pattern of glued-on stuff was, as the judges noted, a McQueen rip-off.  IMHO.

        • Anonymous

          I could have made that dress. He was back to birdseed and glue gun in design and technique

    • Anonymous

      All I can see when I look at Viktor’s is one of those maxi pad commercials where they pour the blue liquid on the pads to show which one doesn’t leak.

      Of these looks, I’ll give Kimberly’s the top marks. Though, of course, it isn’t avant garde, but I guess I can stop saying that because none of the looks were.

      The Gap by way of Etsy is the PERFECT description for Becky’s dress.

      • Anonymous

        Maxi pads!!! That’s what bothers the heck out of me about this dress! Ewwww.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Blue liquid! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!! The quilting effect on the dress surely doesn’t help matters.

      • Anonymous

        You are so right. Maxi pads and shredded tissues. I think it’s hideous.

        • http://www.GiftedCollector.com Nancy Abrams

          It does remind me of the contents of my bathroom wastebasket.

          IAMSOBZ

      • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

        oh dear. now you’ve ruined it for me…

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Which is particularly funny, considering that he did use the pee pads for pet store challenge:)

        • Anonymous

          Yes!  The first thing I thought of when Viktor’s model came out was wee-wee pads from the pet store.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Yup, “maxi-pad” is what I thought too. It doesn’t bother me or gross me out though. I actually like Viktor’s dress. It is definitely interesting.

        • Anonymous

          It’s a good thing Josh M. didn’t get this idea. We all know how grossed out he is by womens’ “sanitary items.”

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            Ooh, I forgot about that. He would have tried to wash his own mouth out with soap.

      • Anonymous

        Yes yes yes. That’s exactly what I thought, too, as soon as it hit the runway. Different colors and I think it could have been a cool dress.

        • Anonymous

          I know, right? It’s like he went out of his way to pick the *exact* same blue they use for pad commercials. If he’d even just chosen a deep blue, it would have been better, but certainly he could have gone for a different color.

      • Anonymous

        For all of Viktor’s hissing he made a shitty dress. Someone tell him to shutup already.

    • Anonymous

      Viktor’s just looks like a weird corpse/zombie-esque bride Halloween costume to me, though at least an expensive one.

      • Anonymous

        Zombie bride is exactly what I thought of!  That one arm is awefull.

      • Anonymous

        Zombie bride is exactly what I thought of!  That one arm is awefull.

      • http://twitter.com/onetimeko maybe more

        Yes! It makes me think of a deluxe mummy costume or something — as well as the pee pads from the petstore challenge.

    • Anonymous

      Ooh, FW! Can we play “Tom’s (or Lorenzo) Little Head” again? If you need a seat stand-in at any of the shows, I’d be happy to oblige.

    • Anonymous

      This was a bad week.

      • Anonymous

        This has been a bad season. Bored. So bored.

        • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

          I’m dreading ANOTHER team challenge. The producers know it brings the most TV drama, but it makes me want to fast forward. I find it boring…

        • Anonymous

          No kidding.  I don’t care who wins and I hate everything they make.  And yet, I can’t stop watching.

        • Anonymous

          No kidding.  I don’t care who wins and I hate everything they make.  And yet, I can’t stop watching.

          • Anonymous

            And yet, I can’t stop watching.

            –>Because you keep hoping that you’re wrong, and magically they will get back on track and it will be the good show it once was.

            At least, that’s why I keep watching. Even the ancient Greeks knew about this phenomenon. The fable of Pandora is spot on.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Viktor’s look reminded me of those marshmallow puff winter jackets that were so popular in the early ’80′s, especially since I remember one classmate had her coat in baby blue much like the color Viktor used.

      I think he should have used a different color, to avoid the maxipad comparison, or a mix of a few colors that were used in the painting.

    • Anonymous

      I really like Kimberley’s design as well. However, it actually borders on the line between fashion and costume. When I first saw it come down the runway I felt she went overboard on the feathers. The hip bustle also looks awkward. It’s interesting and not a bad attempt at avant-garde, but she really needed to do a lot more editting before calling it complete. Too literal a translation of the art work.

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: This is not avant garde. This is The Gap by way of Etsy.”

      I’m not sure who this is a bigger insult too, The Gap or Etsy.

      Kimberly’s looked like a Swan Lake costume for a synchronized swim team.

      Victor’s dress was kind-of interesting but it was disappointing that he left out all the vibrant color in the painting. But fear of color has been a common phobia among designers, across many seasons of PR.

      –GothamTomato

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Heather-Waddell/10401341 Heather Waddell

      I’m gonna stand up for Becky’s. It wasn’t avant garde, but it was one of the few that I watched walking down the runway and thought, “That’s a neat/cute dress and a nice interpretation of the painting.” (Viktor’s was another.) I wish she (and most of the designers) had used more color though! The paintings were all so vibrant and paired up unusual colors so well that I wanted to see the designers embrace that. Instead most of them chose one or two “safe” colors and went with it.

      • Anonymous

        I agree – I thought it was a great way to turn that painting into a dress.  But I did agree with letting it slide by in the middle of the pack, since there really wasn’t anything forward-thinking about it.

      • Anonymous

        I’ll stand with you.  The challenge was clearly judged by the panel as an “interpret the painting” challenge.  Nobody but Bert (IMHO) did any playing with shape.  I don’t know what avant-garde really means in fashion, but hey, if in the end you’re going to judge on interpreting the painting, why not Becky’s??

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Agreed.  It was cute.  Not avant-garde in the slightest, but a good way to make a dress from that particular painting.  About the same level as the other two.  (I cannot now unsee the maxipad commercial for Viktor’s.)

        I don’t think anyone hit the sweet spot between literalism and non-related indulgence, to tell the truth.  Most of the “non-literal” interpretations could have come from anything, and didn’t reference their paintings at all.  Of the two mistakes, I’d rather see more literalism. I’ve been trying to think of a way to do each challenge (not quite up to the sewing skills for Project Project Runway, but I can at least try to solve the problems), and it’s actually pretty hard to find a middle ground.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Me too!  I’m so glad someone else devotes significant time to “PR: The Home/Fantasy Version”. I could do the painting bit, but avant-garde is my downfall — I like my clothes to be wearable… not necessarily in the extreme runway versions, but in a way that could be distilled for real life.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HREPOWNBVUBRIVPQCF3ST2IKDM Euphory

      What’s up with the sleepy models?
      (and the makeup this season is atrocious).

    • Anonymous

      Wish that Viktor had used a little more color in this not just the Kotex blue. Loved the original artwork that was his “inspiration”. I agree that it could have been top three.

    • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

      Much as I dislike Victor, I do like that dress a lot more than most. 

    • Anonymous

      Kimberly’s looks like a costume for The Firebird. I pretty much hate all of these. What an uninspired season this is.

    • Anonymous

      Oh my God, I HATED Viktor’s dress. I thought the shredding upped the tackiness factor to exceed even Nicolas Putvinski levels. Yikes.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I miss Nicolas! That’s bad, isn’t it?

        • Anonymous

          I am probably more inclined to defend Season 6 than anyone else who wasn’t on it – I suspect more than quite a few who were, even.

          Which I mention only because the answer to your question is “Yes”.

        • Anonymous

          No! I miss Nicolas too! He designs all of Heidi’s Halloween costumes every year and did that darling dress for Mariah Carey for the New Years Rockin’ Eve last year–he really is a fabulous designer that just didn’t conform to the “contest” that is PR. One thing about Peppermint Patty–he wasn’t boring…wonder how he would have fared this season, too?

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      Over this episode? I am over this show. I stopped watching before judges’ deliberation because I stopped caring. I will stick it out till the end of the season (again, skipping the last 20 minutes or so) but, only for the blog. Very doubtful that I’ll be watching next season.

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: Darlings, we’re busy trying on clothes and packing for Fashion Week

      Wow, I just looked at the schedule and saw that the PR finale show is this Friday! You now what that means? Somewhere in Manhattan, little stress/camera-induced breakdowns are happening, even as we speak.

      That must be what that explosion was last night!

      –GothamTomato

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Oh god, really?? There had better be a double (at minimum) elimination this week!

        • Anonymous

          I’m wondering if any of Tlo’s readers won the tickets that Lifetime was giving away.

          –GothamTomato

        • Anonymous

          I’m wondering if any of Tlo’s readers won the tickets that Lifetime was giving away.

          –GothamTomato

        • Anonymous

          I’m wondering if any of Tlo’s readers won the tickets that Lifetime was giving away.

          –GothamTomato

      • Anonymous

        What does that make – 10 people showing?  Cruel deployment of decoy collections, I see.

        • Anonymous

          Considering how shitty everything has been this season, I’m not looking forward to nine or ten craptacular runway collections.

      • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

        Saw the MB Fashion Week sched. Malan Breton is showing a collection! Now that’s a PR alum who didn’t quite do well on the show but yet made it in fashion world. Only goes to show how this comptetition doesn’t really allow real insight to a contestant’s real talent.

        • Anonymous

          “G&G said: Only goes to show how this comptetition doesn’t really allow real insight to a contestant’s real talent.”

          Well, it shows something, but I’m not sure what exactly.
          –GothamTomato

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Really liked Viktor’s and think he should have been in the top 3 too. I think Viktor is my choice for the America’s Next Great Designer.

      Becky, poor dear, really loves that Wilma-style dress. This time it has infant blocks stuck to it. Glad to see Clinique’s positive influence as a team leader aiding Becky’s design.

      Kimberly’s bird dress wasn’t great or awful or avant garde, as much as theater costume. She and Josh could design the costumes for a great local production of Tsarevitch Ivan, the Fire Bird and the Gray Wolf starring only model wannabes.

      • Anonymous

        I liked Viktor’s too; I think it should have won – at least it was better than the winner.

        I also liked Becky’s. I have liked all her designs (I think); maybe I’m dowdy.  BTW, I think the to-do with Clinque must have been a lot less awful than what we saw, or else she is a saint, because she’s been pretty nice to him.

        I think Kimberly will be in the final three (along with Viktor). I wish the judges would give her some love.

        • Anonymous

          Becky is older than the others (except Bert). One of the advantages of cracking 40 is that some of us (not Bert) learn that when you get into snit fits, you end up looking stupid. My guess is Becky is hoping to follow the precept “the best revenge is living well.” If she outlasts Clinique, she wins.

          • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

            I really hope she outlasts Josh M. It looks like he’s throwing another character-and-talent-building fit, which could mean he’s a team leader again. Maybe this time the team leader will get the auf.

            Who am I kidding? He’s there for the duration.

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        “Glad to see Clinique’s positive influence as a team leader aiding Becky’s design.”

        Hee. Maybe he should have thought twice before he took credit for her stupendous breakthrough.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Yeah, I thought Victor really grasped what they were (or more accurately, should have been) looking for, unlike most other designers.  I was also very impressed by how he worked with his student artist.  He made it clear he was not a fan of children — and that child was a very opinionated one to boot — but he was respectful and polite and seemed to really listen to her thoughts.  He went a long way toward making up for his pissy attitude in the past for me with this episode.  I would have like to have seen more of the color; he had so much more he could have done in that area.

      Becky’s… um… I don’t get it.  You have a painting of SPACE for god’s sake!  On an avant-garde challenge!  You could go so sci-fi big with it! 

      Kimberly’s I liked.  Not avant-garde in that there was nothing new under the sun in that piece, but it was pretty well done, interesting, and more OTT than a normal challenge.  Acceptable middle of the road.

    • Anonymous

      Becky’s dress reminded me of Q*bert.  Viktor’s dress = Pnina Tornai + Charmin (although I adore the Kotex references).  And Kimberly made us a lovely rooster pinata!

      • Anonymous

        “Rooster pinata!”  Brilliant!  And now I can’t see it as anything but!

        • Anonymous

          if anybody gets out a baseball bat, that model better run for her life.

      • Anonymous

        Q*bert…yes! Perfect.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, yes! Viktor’s was very P’nina Tornai draped in toilet paper. For that matter, Laura’s visible boning was also very P’nina. Maybe they could do a boudoir corset challenge and have P’nina judge it. 

    • Anonymous

      I agree! Granted, I’ve been on the beetchy Viktor’s love train for awhile, but I thought he really put together something that worked for this challenge (and I loved his teamwork with his little artist!).  Becky was the one that said that avante garde is to be as weird as possible, which means she didn’t know what it meant. And Kimberly, if this is too literal, thank goodness she followed Tim’s advise and didn’t do the leather / feather “wings” she planned for the sleeves. That would have been atrocious.

    • Anonymous

      I agree! Granted, I’ve been on the beetchy Viktor’s love train for awhile, but I thought he really put together something that worked for this challenge (and I loved his teamwork with his little artist!).  Becky was the one that said that avante garde is to be as weird as possible, which means she didn’t know what it meant. And Kimberly, if this is too literal, thank goodness she followed Tim’s advise and didn’t do the leather / feather “wings” she planned for the sleeves. That would have been atrocious.

    • Anonymous

      I was decidedly not pleased with Becky’s entry since it is just a dress with a weird hem and stuff attached to it – and worse than that, the perennial PR “avant-garde” favourite, a giant shoulder piece. (Dear prospective future Project Runway contestants: avant-garde is not French for “crap attached to one shoulder”. Thank you in advance.)

      Kimberly’s is one of the more interesting looks, I’ll grant, but I just wasn’t very fond of it. It was far too literal, ultimately derivative, and it looks cheap.

      I go back and forth on Viktor’s. It’s easily one of the more interesting (and I suppose, to the extent that any of them could be called such, “avant-garde”) looks of the evening and it seems to be well-constructed (which, sadly, was a rarity even in this, the first two day challenge of the season). I definitely do think it should have been in the top three, but overall I found it conceptually lacking.

    • Anonymous

      I was decidedly not pleased with Becky’s entry since it is just a dress with a weird hem and stuff attached to it – and worse than that, the perennial PR “avant-garde” favourite, a giant shoulder piece. (Dear prospective future Project Runway contestants: avant-garde is not French for “crap attached to one shoulder”. Thank you in advance.)

      Kimberly’s is one of the more interesting looks, I’ll grant, but I just wasn’t very fond of it. It was far too literal, ultimately derivative, and it looks cheap.

      I go back and forth on Viktor’s. It’s easily one of the more interesting (and I suppose, to the extent that any of them could be called such, “avant-garde”) looks of the evening and it seems to be well-constructed (which, sadly, was a rarity even in this, the first two day challenge of the season). I definitely do think it should have been in the top three, but overall I found it conceptually lacking.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Viktor should have been on top . As what the judges are usually looking for in the Avant Garde challenge are fashion dresses that are a bit theatrical and  maybe “difficult” to wear.
      If any of the designers actually did push the convention of what is acceptable, it most certainly would not win. And would probaly be sent home as well.
      The reason so many “decorate ” conventionally dressess is that historically that “was” avant garde ( a lobster printed on an evening gowin). Or crazy accessories (like a mutton chop hat.)
      I really don’t don’t think any thing could challenge convention these days as every conceivable form of nudity has been shown (I doubtt think they would allow muff or nipple anyway) what you’re left with is basically decoration/costume or somehow restricting movement (bondage) which would work very well in a runway sitiuation.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        If every conceivable form of nudity has been shown, then challenging convention would be total cover–collars going up to the eyes (or over, with a mask so the model doesn’t trip over her feet), though I’m certain I’ve seen that look here on TLo, too.  You could go back to historical looks that are so far outside the frame of modern reference that they seem weird again–giant ruffs, maybe, or big, five foot on each side panniers.  A bustle that goes back so far you have to put wheels on it. (:envisions a library cart attached to a model’s backside, and rethinks:)

    • Anonymous

      I don’t hate Becky’s, but didn’t a past contestant do (PR Australia perhaps?) do do applied geometric shapes of jersey covered sponges?

      Kimberley’s is “birdwoman dominatrix” to channel the Duchess and Viktor’s is, well, a walking adult diaper commercial. Blue liquid and all.

      I’m actually looking forward to the next episode since there is a remote chance that Miss Clinique gets so mad that she explodes, leaving a huge gooey blob of cosmetics and hair gel splattered all over the workroom. 

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Have you ever heard Bill Cosby’s definition of “conniption”? It’s when your face splits in two. (It’s what happened when his wife discovered he fed the kids cake for breakfast.) That’s what I’m expecting from Josh M. this week, after which there will be the described explosion.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Mondo did that with headpieces last year for the Heidi/New Balance challenge — he used headbands with geometric shapes.

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/dLUE.9h6zdoHMLprP6AQrSQpKt0CZys-#e58b4 tom

      As Sara Munoz said below I’m so over it too.  I’ll watch it till the bitter  end.  It reminds of being on the the losing team and still having to play until the final whistle blows.  I suppose I’ll at least have to see who could possibly judged a winner.  This season to me has been a combination of what is in the Dollar Store bargin bin and letting a 4yr. old wear what ever she wants.

    • Jennifer Coleman

      I’m hating to admit it, but Hissing Viktor is a strong Top 3 contender. His was my favorite, too.

    • Anonymous

      Viktor’s model is serving some Serena Williams realness in those photos.

      …Make of that what you will…

    • Anonymous

      Viktor’s model is serving some Serena Williams realness in those photos.

      …Make of that what you will…

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      I can tell I’ve been watching this show for too long. Becky’s dress was too similar to Season 1′s “Tumor Dress”. Probably even the same shade of green. Too easy to dismiss, and pretty sad to now have repeats of weaker outfits on this show. Maybe it’s time to stop….

      • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

        You’re right, it does look like Starr’s dress from  season 1 which landed her on the bottom 3. Funny how the same dress is considered passable now.

    • http://twitter.com/CestmoiLola CestmoiLola

      I can tell I’ve been watching this show for too long. Becky’s dress was too similar to Season 1′s “Tumor Dress”. Probably even the same shade of green. Too easy to dismiss, and pretty sad to now have repeats of weaker outfits on this show. Maybe it’s time to stop….

    • Anonymous

      Viktor’s was really interesting.  i think a gold or yellow instead of blue would have avoided the maxi-pad associations.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4AZYKFDGYZTFQJML25GU4RJBUQ Anh-Thu

      Viktor is growing on me more and more as this season progresses (thank God SOMEONE is, considering what a snooze-fest this season is). I really think he deserves more love. I think he’s one of the few (if not the only?) designers this season
      that has shown some growth, both in terms of design and personality. He’s gone a ways from being Hissing Viktor to something more mature and subdued. It was nice to see him not only warm up to
      Skye, but also embrace what he thought was an annoyance before.

      Plus, I’ll give him points for at least having an iota of what avant-garde is. I mean, while all the other designers hated Bert’s design, he was the only one that saw the minimal avant-garde-ness to it.

    • Anonymous

      I am tired of avant garde as an approach. Clearly, not enough designers understand what it means well enough to execute it recognizably, and Christian and Chris March are sort of the owners of doing that well on this show. Everything else avant garde on PR falls short of that giant muslin wing.

       And really, why do they keep throwing the avant garde twist in there? It isn’t like a skating outfit challenge or a use fresh flowers challenge gets thrown in every season. Come to that, I am tired too of the “Make a dress for a judge or a judge’s product line challenge.” I realize these are different from the avant garde aspect, which is an aesthetic that designers continually pay homage too, but the reference to a painting was enough to stand on its own. There are so many, many challenges left to explore. Stop throwing clothing the judges and this avant garde twist at us. Be original!

    • Erika Shor

      I loved Viktor’s! I thought it looked so beautiful on the runway! I hope the final three are Viktor, Kimberly, and Anthony Ryan.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah. I couldn’t understand why Viktor was in the middle either. Also, I think every post for this challenge should start with “it’s not avant garde” – that’s kind of understood about this challenge (and all the other “avant garde” challenges over the years). Beckie does have mad construction skills – the seaming in that dress is beautiful, especially considering it’s denim, and fits her model like a glove. Don’t care for the feathered thing at all.

      Getting prepared for what I’m sure is going to be yet another hard-to-watch team challenge episode. Unless the producers clipped together a bunch of stuff to make it look like it’s gonna be a blood bath. They wouldn’t do that, would they???

    • Anonymous

      bu-bu-bu-but…. Avant garde just means “vanguard” or “advance guard”, meaning a forward look into the future, and the future is going to be ALL ABOUT shitty clothes with Etsy crap stuck on them.

    • Anonymous

      I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the multiple screen shots you give us.  I see a great deal of interesting detail and construction in this dress that I had not seen when I watched the show.

      That’s not an uncommon reaction for me to have to your blog posts.  Often, your photos allow us to see the bad construction in what otherwise seemed a fine garment, and (as here)  vice versa.

      All of which is to say that, whether I not I agree with your assessments of individual designers and garments, I always find your commentaries thoughtful and educational, and, while I expect I’d still watch the show without it, your blog is a necessary adjunct PR. 

      Thank you for being here.

      • Anonymous

        This blog is now, and always has been (imo) better than the actual show.

        • Anonymous

          Too true!

        • Anonymous

          I know and appreciate all the efforts and thoughtfulness TLo put into this, but, just as I would like to see an uneditted version of the PR judging, I’d love to hear all the arguments that go into their wonderful posts. Heck, instead of attending Fashion Week, I’d enter a contest to have dinner with the two of you.

    • Patricia Biswanger

      I LOVED Viktor’s dress, and couldn’t believe it wasn’t at least in the top three.  It’s an amazing design and beautifully constructed.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve liked most of Viktor’s designs, but I don’t see anything even remotely avant garde in this effort.  To me it’s a cross between a J Lo dress and a costume from Zefferelli’s “Romeo and Juliet.”  Plus maxipads.  There’s no arguing with how good the construction of the top of the dress is, but avant garde?  I don’t think so.

      OK–there was no avant garde in this challenge, and if there had been, Heidi and Michael Kors wouldn’t have recognized it.  Moving on.

      Becky and Kimberly can sew. Becky’s dress is beautifully made, regardless of whatever else we think of it.  And Kimberly’s was at least (a) not boring and (b) put together well, although she got carried away with the feathers. 

      Here;s a challenge I’d like to see:  Make the first outfit for your Fashion Week runway show.  Give them two full days.  Don’t hold the winners to whatever they design. I’d really like to see what these people can make when they have time, money, and their own point of view.

      And I agree with Lilithcat: Whether I agree with TLo’s evaluations or not, I always find them interesting, and I usually learn something.   

    • Anonymous

      “Next to Bert’s, Viktor’s was the only entry we can look at, squint, and
      say “I can sort of see calling this avant garde…””

      I guess I am somewhat confused – along with the contestants/designers.   Does AG mean ugly and impractical? 

      I liked Kimberly’s and Becky’s (and Laura’s) .  The seaming on Becky’s was interesting and different.   Usually – and again I admit to not really understanding AG – I think they mean flammboyant and BIG – BIG styling, BIG concept, different from everyday. 
      But based on other posts here, I see AG described as New and Up Coming.  I don’t see how odd high-waisted strapless jumpsuit and shredded puffy gauzy-lacy one armed pale blue dress are AG? 

      I, like quite a few other posters expected the middle one to have been in the top

      • Anonymous

        I would say the more avant garde element of Bert’s outfit is that it challlenges what is traditionally considered a beautiful or flattering silhouette. And possably what is considered pleasing color combination, but I don’t know if that was intentioal.
        Viktor’s is more pleasing to the eye, the element that many posters are calling out as repugnent (sanitary napkin reference) is what pushes convention, imo.

        • Anonymous

           SewingSiren I appreciate the response – but if “challenges what is traditionally considered a beautiful or flattering silhouette”  – then ugly but well constructed would also qualify, no?

          So any well constructed Ping or (dang I cannot think of all of the freakish designers) or Blayne (and the clown pooping zodiac), etc outfits = AG?

        • Anonymous

           SewingSiren I appreciate the response – but if “challenges what is traditionally considered a beautiful or flattering silhouette”  – then ugly but well constructed would also qualify, no?

          So any well constructed Ping or (dang I cannot think of all of the freakish designers) or Blayne (and the clown pooping zodiac), etc outfits = AG?

          • Anonymous

            Maybe Ping’s burlap was avant garde.
            Blayne’s all looked like slop to me.

    • Anonymous

      Can someone please explain how one garment can be too literal and another shows the thinking behind it? The more I look at these garments, the more confused I get by the commentaries. Also isn’t “avant grade” sort of subjective? I love reading the remarks from TLo and the minions, but a lot of time I don’t understand how one design triumphs over the other.

      • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

        ” Can someone please explain how one garment can be too literal and another shows the thinking behind it?”

        Sure: They’re two different garments.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry if I offended you guys. That wasn’t my intent. I’ve been reading your blog loyally and trying to use it as an opportunity to develop a guide to my own style. 

          • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

            Sweetie, you didn’t offend us. We just made a smartass crack.

          • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

            Sweetie, you didn’t offend us. We just made a smartass crack.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry if I offended you guys. That wasn’t my intent. I’ve been reading your blog loyally and trying to use it as an opportunity to develop a guide to my own style. 

      • Anonymous

        One garment can be too literal by virtue of copying its inspiration in a way that shows very little in the way of creative thinking, i.e. using feathers for an avian inspiration. Another garment may show the thinking behind it by virtue of its elements making sense and the inspiration and ideas which went into the work being immediately understandable and appreciable by the audience – of course, literally speaking, something literal shows the thinking behind it, but those thoughts aren’t themselves very interesting.

        And whether something is avant-garde is no more, and in fact arguably less, subjective than whether it is good.

        If any of that makes any sense.

      • Anonymous

        One garment can be too literal by virtue of copying its inspiration in a way that shows very little in the way of creative thinking, i.e. using feathers for an avian inspiration. Another garment may show the thinking behind it by virtue of its elements making sense and the inspiration and ideas which went into the work being immediately understandable and appreciable by the audience – of course, literally speaking, something literal shows the thinking behind it, but those thoughts aren’t themselves very interesting.

        And whether something is avant-garde is no more, and in fact arguably less, subjective than whether it is good.

        If any of that makes any sense.

      • Anonymous

        One garment can be too literal by virtue of copying its inspiration in a way that shows very little in the way of creative thinking, i.e. using feathers for an avian inspiration. Another garment may show the thinking behind it by virtue of its elements making sense and the inspiration and ideas which went into the work being immediately understandable and appreciable by the audience – of course, literally speaking, something literal shows the thinking behind it, but those thoughts aren’t themselves very interesting.

        And whether something is avant-garde is no more, and in fact arguably less, subjective than whether it is good.

        If any of that makes any sense.

    • http://dearauntnettie.com/museum dancinfool

      Sorry, I give Viktor’s a big FAIL.  It wasn’t avant garde, it was way too busy, and the shredded chiffon just made the model look like she’s just survived a multiple cat attack. Ick.

    • Anonymous

      Okay, sticking to my word here and not discussing how PR made avant garde boring.  Also not raving (much) about how anyone who went to design school should at least know what the term means re fashion.  Instead, here are some additional links to avant garde fashion that would also work for the untradtional materials challenge had the store been a sex shop or perhaps a drug store:
      http://www.pharmacopoeia-art.net/artworks/come-dancing

      http://fashionindie.com/the-birth-control-condom-dress

      http://inventorspot.com/bertini_condom_couture

      Hope these images are of interest!  

      • Anonymous

        Wow!  Dresses made of condoms and birth control pills!  And they look fantastic!  Too bad the designers weren’t allowed to shop at Mood and Walgreen’s.  Although I wonder whether any of them would have had the imagination to….  Nahhhhhh!

        • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

          You really hit on the problem. They don’t use their imagination, or don’t have the kind of imagination specifically required for avant-garde. Throughout the posts for this episode, so many people, along with Tom and Lorenzo, have noted that there was no connection to the inspiration painting, there’s not enough color in the designs, and/or the designs are too literal.

          Is it possible the problem is that the designers have all this anxiety about the competition itself, and
          they’re feeling the time crunch, and at least some of them are being
          weighed down by rules they learned in school? It seems like they can’t break down the barriers and just create something, The art kids’ brains, on the other hand, aren’t all cluttered up with a lot of crap about what’s OK and what’s not, so they just paint what they feel; also, they’re not competing.

          I  might be overthinking this. Maybe they’re all just crappy designers.

          • Anonymous

            They might all be crappy designers, but I think you’re on to something with that comparison between the art kids and the designers. Because there was good design in some of their portfolios.  Maybe it wasn’t that they picked bad designers but they picked designers who lack the confidence required for a show like this.

            • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

              Yes! I was looking for the right word, and confidence is it. I think confidence is about more than just believing you’re good at what you do. It’s about having the guts to try something new, to step out of your safety zone. I’m not seeing a lot of that this season. Actually, I think it’s been a fairly common problem throughout the run of the show. It seems like giving the designers carte blanche is the worse thing you can do to them. They almost always freeze.

          • Anonymous

            They might all be crappy designers, but I think you’re on to something with that comparison between the art kids and the designers. Because there was good design in some of their portfolios.  Maybe it wasn’t that they picked bad designers but they picked designers who lack the confidence required for a show like this.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for posting the pics! I love looking at them,

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for posting the pics! I love looking at them,

        • Anonymous

          I love these too.

          And look at Lady Gaga–girl is the heroine of Avant Guarde…

          • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

            Which is why someone like her should have been the guest judge. Kenneth Cole was all wrong for this challenge– although he was the best guest judge they’ve had yet…

        • Anonymous

          I love these too.

          And look at Lady Gaga–girl is the heroine of Avant Guarde…

      • Anonymous

        Thanks so much–very interesting. 

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for those links.  I want those Issey Miyake pants!

    • Anonymous

      After the runway show, the judges should have made them all go back and design something avant-garde after reading the definition of avant garde to all the designers.  If you didn’t design along the parameters of the challenge, why were they not all called out on that?  The judging on the show has become beyond frustrating, no rhyme or reason to any of it.  Sorry for the venting, but I’m fed up with this show.  Not sure I would even watch anymore if not for this blog and Tim Gunn (my idol).

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Well, they’d have to read the definition to the judges, too.  I honestly wouldn’t care, at this point, if it’s the right definition, as long as the judges, the contestants, and the audience are all using the same one.  Come to think of it, that might make a good challenge–make up a random word, define it as a style, and challenge everyone to design in that style.  Like, “This week, you have two days to make a true Fred dress…” with “Fred” defined as “a style marked by uneven hems, and bold contrasts, inspired by the day wear of quarry and factory workers.”  It can’t make less sense than real terms used vaguely or improperly.

    • Anonymous

      I liked Becky’s and how it moved, including the square cutouts in the train. 

      Kimberly’s looked like she threw everything she could think of at that dress in hopes that would make it avant garde.  It didn’t work.
       
      Viktor’s reminds me of Dancing with the Stars for some reason, and that’s rarely a good thing.  

      And there’s still more to come. This season seems interminable already. I vote for a 5-way auf next episode. One entire team.  Come on, Heidi, let’s really change the rules and make them sweat. Turn it into a real cage match so Bunim Murray can say they put their true stamp on it.

    • Anonymous

      Victor’s was by far my favorite, and I’m more than slightly scandalized that a summer camp craft project, an art school parody, and a prom dress were in the top over it.  Ugh.  

    • Anonymous

      Becky’s was a classic example of “it needs to be MORE.” If she had done a million more blocks in a couple more sizes and constructed a huge thing out of them, and then done more with the skirt… Sigh. You can see where she was headed, but she held back.

      In contrast to Kimberley, who also maybe didn’t go far enough, but who was willing to go overboard on the feathers rather than risk blandness.

      And in more contrast to Viktor, who took his theme further still.

      This has been the Season of Lowered Expectations. Everyone is wandering along in mediocrity, and the few who manage to get a toe over the line of “bland” are relegated to the middle of the pack.

      The bottom three are consistently the boring, the bland, the half-done. The top three have generally been “we’ve seen this before,” with the occasional “okay, it’s not so done-to-death” standing out in a field of really crappy crap and winning almost by default.

      I can remember a few challenges in the past where no one came up with anything awesome, but in general there would usually be at least one, and usually two or three, outfits that were beautiful, interesting, and well made. This season has been awful.

      • Anonymous

        Agree completely.  Becky always holds back.  If she’s made a pant leg made of blocks that would have helped.

    • http://twitter.com/onetimeko maybe more

      Viktor’s material, and use of it, looked like the doggy pee pads from the petstore challenge. Not a fan.

    • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

      Oh Becky, I love you so much because you’re so awesome, but honey, that dress is killing me. 

      The hem on Becky’s dress is terrible, and attaching nerf balls to the shoulder does not avant-garde make. But the dress does look like it’s beautifully constructed.

      I kind of love Kimberly’s, even though it is more costume than A-G. And for once, the dark make-up we’ve been seeing so much of actually  makes sense.

      The more I look at Viktor’s, the more I like it. He would have done well to use more of the colors from the painting though, and not just to get away from the maxi-pad look. I think the dress would have worked better with a swirl of colors. Or blocks of colors. Or, you know, more damn color.

      Man, this really was a failure of a challenge.

    • Anonymous

      Viktor took the “Bridal Shower Toilet Paper Dress Contest” and ran with it. You just know he’s already picked out the Cathedral for his wedding too. 

      • http://beautyforrealgirls.blogspot.com/ accidental housewife

        Ha! He’s been planning that wedding since he was six years old.

        hughman, you always make me laugh.

    • Anonymous

      This is one of the main reasons I come here for PR critique: because you can see the detail in the dresses much better than the quick runway flash as the episode airs. I thought Viktor’s dress was boring on my TV, but here I can see the detail and all the interesting textures. Very nice!

    • Anonymous

       “make a standard dress and add weird things to it”  This is (IMO) what Blenley did.

      • http://twitter.com/warontara Tara

        You mean Becky? The name Blenley is usually referring to Laura (blonde Kenley).

        • Anonymous

          I did mean Blenley.  I hated her dress and thought it was a really standard dress with weird things stuck in it-the green boning.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlotte.horseman Charlotte Horseman

      Don’t you think Kimberly’s could have been a good one for Josh C’s wolf with the colors and the violence are there (feathers taking the place of the fur)… don’t love it either way, but when I see Kimberly’s I think of the wolf painting…

      • Anonymous

        Yep. I can see that. 

      • Anonymous

        Yep. I can see that. 

    • Anonymous

      I was dying for them to call Becky out, just to hear her/it called “Becky Home-Ecy!”

    • http://twitter.com/warontara Tara

      I really do see your point about Viktor’s dress. The glimpses we got to see of it in motion didn’t allow me to catch all the details…and also, I don’t like him, so I am a little bit blinded to his talent right now. 

    • Anonymous

      Hated Viktor’s on the runway, but now that I see the pictures, I think it should’ve been a top 3 at least. Maybe Kimberly’s too. Curious to see Anya’s close up.

      • Anonymous

        I am curious to see the close up of Anya’s too. Because it looked like a big wadded up ball of fabric on bottom with to strips of feathers (still on the twill tape ) on top. I’m thinking they did her a huge favor by giving it the bums rush off the runway.
        I also want to see Bryce’s close up, I had it pegged for the winner , with those straight jacket sleeves, but the close ups may disappoint.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, yeah, Bryce’s. I thought they might go for that straight jacket thing, too, though it’s kind been done, no? But who knows what the judges & producers are thinking, anyway.

          • Anonymous

            I also really thought they would go for the straight jacket. It just seems like (a) something they haven’t awarded before and (b) so bloody simple that it really stood out from the rest, I thought they would jump at it. Not saying I liked it or would have awarded it anything, but it seems like it would have appealled to this season’s judging. I know this was a two day challenge, but geez, avant garde is so challenging, it seems like an extra day would not have been a bad thing.

            It seems like so many people are learning about different types of fashion from P/R, that actually presenting projects closer to what avant garde is would be desireable. I oftern spend Friday explaining to some of my co-workers what avant garde is, what a cocktail dress is, what makes a red carpet dress. Heck, even showing examples of avant garde (or whatever is the challenge each week) to viewers would be a good idea. Wouldn’t take too much time (maybe they could cut out the home phone call).

      • Anonymous

        I am curious to see the close up of Anya’s too. Because it looked like a big wadded up ball of fabric on bottom with to strips of feathers (still on the twill tape ) on top. I’m thinking they did her a huge favor by giving it the bums rush off the runway.
        I also want to see Bryce’s close up, I had it pegged for the winner , with those straight jacket sleeves, but the close ups may disappoint.

    • Anonymous

      I’m starting to think that having an avant garde challenge on PR is really pointless.  How many of the designers from recent seasons (or any season, for that matter) really have anything near an AG point of view?  I think it’s so far outside the wheelhouse of what a PR wannabe designer would do, that we’re bound to end up with a runway full of costumes and sad attempts at being edgy and forward thinking.

      • Anonymous

        Not only that, but I think they don’t want to see a.g. They want to see things that are wearable, right? It makes sense if they’re saying make an outfit out of a car; the whole point is to see how they can transform floor mats and seat belts into something that looks like clothes. But for the a.g. and stilt walker challenges they should be judging a little differently, I think.

        • Anonymous

          “…I think they don’t want to see a.g.”  I think you are correct.  Unfortunately, I’ll bet many of their viewers do!  This feels like such a  bait and switch.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, if someone showed anything like what Margiela does,  I’m sure it would be panned because it’s not “wearable” avant garde.  Huh? 

            • Anonymous

              Margiela – Some very interesting work – I like it.  Thanks for the reference.

    • Megan Patterson

      Man, you’d think by now, season 1000, they’d know to stop having avant garde challenges.

    • Megan Patterson

      Man, you’d think by now, season 1000, they’d know to stop having avant garde challenges.

    • Lynn Hayes

      I think Viktor’s looks like it was made from weewee pads.

    • Lynn Hayes

      I think Viktor’s looks like it was made from weewee pads.

    • Anonymous

      Viktor (despite the haters) really seems to be the biggest talent in the lot of mediocrity. This dress should have won. It really is theonly one close to the mark. Terrible model walk and pose-wise. 

    • Anonymous

      PS if all this damn glue gun BS keeps getting through – lets just skip Mood and go straight to Hobby Lobby or Michael’s or Pat Catan’s – shall we? 

      • Anonymous

        And have none of them heard of fusible interfacing?  I swore off of that stuff in the 80′s and 90′s because it was so bad, but progress has been made.  There are some reasonably good brands that don’t change the hand of the fabric.  Wouldn’t you have some in your toolbox to use when you were running out of time?  After your first glue gun adventure, wouldn’t you buy some at Mood, just in case you were stuck for time and had to stick it to your dress?  It may not be haute couture, but a decent fusible would sure look better on the runway than these glue-gunned things.  

        Stick em up!  I have a glue gun and I am not afraid to use it!  Taught in design schools everywhere.

      • Anonymous

        And have none of them heard of fusible interfacing?  I swore off of that stuff in the 80′s and 90′s because it was so bad, but progress has been made.  There are some reasonably good brands that don’t change the hand of the fabric.  Wouldn’t you have some in your toolbox to use when you were running out of time?  After your first glue gun adventure, wouldn’t you buy some at Mood, just in case you were stuck for time and had to stick it to your dress?  It may not be haute couture, but a decent fusible would sure look better on the runway than these glue-gunned things.  

        Stick em up!  I have a glue gun and I am not afraid to use it!  Taught in design schools everywhere.

      • Anonymous

        Pat Catan’s !!!  Another NE Ohioan?

    • Anonymous

      Oh, not sure when you’re coming to NY, TLo, but as of now, pack your rubbers: rain, rain, rain. Chilly, too.

      • Anonymous

        wait – I thought TLo were IN New York?  Am I on crack?

    • Anonymous

      what i like about victor’s is the shape and texture of the sleeve, the ombre color and the frayed yet elegant cuff.  i would have liked to see one more color, the complementary red-orange would have been daring, used in a small amount as a linear accent.  that would have echoed the painting’s gaiety and whimsy.  i like the shredded effect, but it feels as if she might catch her heel, rip the dress, and fall on her face!  

      • Anonymous

        Or the lime green in the picture. 

    • Anonymous

      p.s.  are we even going to be intrduced to the models this season?  this is too rude.

      • http://twitter.com/eekphoto karen e. evans

        I seriously doubt these are agency models. They look like they were pulled off modelmayhem.com.

    • Anonymous

      I have a lot to say, so buckle up ;)

      Victor: Try as I may, I dislike this dress so much, but I’ve been trying to see what many of you see in it. The maxipads just ruin it for me. I think they look sloppily sewn and placed randomly. He had a lovely, colorful painting and squandered his muse, barely referencing it. I disagree with the whole referential concept. What’s the point, after all, of having a painting to inspire you, if when you look at the final garment, and there are not elements that echo back and forth? I think it ought to be obvious that a garment was inspired by a particular work of art. Referencing a bit of color, one color out of so many, is not enough. I think he may have been trying, but failed, to show the swirls effectively. He had a very good start with his foundation, the lace bodice, the criss-cross straps, the shredded skirt. I would rip everything else off and go in a different direction, absolutely using more color. The messy choice for a hair style was the icing on this toilet paper cover cake.

      Becky: As I think someone else said, she didn’t go far enough. The skirt does look stupid. If she had made an entire leg covered with the little boxes, and if they were better made, and if she had more, many more of the 2 dimensional squares, and if she had added another color…On my screen her denim just looks so drab and lifeless, almost dark brown. At least her model’s hair didn’t interfere with the design.

      Kimberly: My favorite of these three. Too costumey. (shrug) You say too referential, I say just right. Great choice for the hair. Sleek, non-interfering with the dress. She also needed to go farther, but she has the best concept of these three, the best color combination. Is it well made? Not particularly. Looks a bit rushed, illl-fitted at the front neckline and shoulders, edges look raw on “skirt”, not precisely layered.

      Which brings me to the challenge. Whew.
      1) The judges themselves don’t bother to make it clear that they even share a definition of avant-garde, which they probably don’t.
      2) What the hell would be wrong with giving the designers a slide show of at least two dozen garments that the judges have chosen that meet the criteria of their definition of avant-garde?
      3) Instead the designers are left to flail and flounder and constantly second-guess themselves. Tim is no help, he no more knows what the judges will be looking for than the man in the moon.
      4) It’s way past time to call an end to this particular challenge. All the posters know, all the bloggers know, everyone knows, except apparently the producers, that for ever after, Christian and Chris created the gold standard PR avant-garde dress, and no one will ever come close, or be able to forget it, and many think they need to reference it. And you know what the funny thing is, Chris March was a costume designer, and I’ve always thought that him bringing that sensibility to the challenge was part of what won it for them.

    • Anonymous

      I have a lot to say, so buckle up ;)

      Victor: Try as I may, I dislike this dress so much, but I’ve been trying to see what many of you see in it. The maxipads just ruin it for me. I think they look sloppily sewn and placed randomly. He had a lovely, colorful painting and squandered his muse, barely referencing it. I disagree with the whole referential concept. What’s the point, after all, of having a painting to inspire you, if when you look at the final garment, and there are not elements that echo back and forth? I think it ought to be obvious that a garment was inspired by a particular work of art. Referencing a bit of color, one color out of so many, is not enough. I think he may have been trying, but failed, to show the swirls effectively. He had a very good start with his foundation, the lace bodice, the criss-cross straps, the shredded skirt. I would rip everything else off and go in a different direction, absolutely using more color. The messy choice for a hair style was the icing on this toilet paper cover cake.

      Becky: As I think someone else said, she didn’t go far enough. The skirt does look stupid. If she had made an entire leg covered with the little boxes, and if they were better made, and if she had more, many more of the 2 dimensional squares, and if she had added another color…On my screen her denim just looks so drab and lifeless, almost dark brown. At least her model’s hair didn’t interfere with the design.

      Kimberly: My favorite of these three. Too costumey. (shrug) You say too referential, I say just right. Great choice for the hair. Sleek, non-interfering with the dress. She also needed to go farther, but she has the best concept of these three, the best color combination. Is it well made? Not particularly. Looks a bit rushed, illl-fitted at the front neckline and shoulders, edges look raw on “skirt”, not precisely layered.

      Which brings me to the challenge. Whew.
      1) The judges themselves don’t bother to make it clear that they even share a definition of avant-garde, which they probably don’t.
      2) What the hell would be wrong with giving the designers a slide show of at least two dozen garments that the judges have chosen that meet the criteria of their definition of avant-garde?
      3) Instead the designers are left to flail and flounder and constantly second-guess themselves. Tim is no help, he no more knows what the judges will be looking for than the man in the moon.
      4) It’s way past time to call an end to this particular challenge. All the posters know, all the bloggers know, everyone knows, except apparently the producers, that for ever after, Christian and Chris created the gold standard PR avant-garde dress, and no one will ever come close, or be able to forget it, and many think they need to reference it. And you know what the funny thing is, Chris March was a costume designer, and I’ve always thought that him bringing that sensibility to the challenge was part of what won it for them.

      • Anonymous

        Tim is no help, he no more knows what the judges will be looking for than the man in the moon.

        –>Wasn’t it two or three seasons ago when Tim actually said something about how the viewers are going to wonder what the judges have been smoking? And pretty much since then, there’s been a clear divide between what Tim sees and what the judges see.

        The judging in the first four or five seasons was reasonable. I might disagree on details, but the judges could at least convince me of what they were seeing and why they liked or didn’t like something.

        I would love to have a candid, off-the-record conversation with Tim. I think there’s a lot we’re not hearing.

        • Anonymous

          I want to know what happened to Tim’s blog?  Remember in the old PR seasons, he had a blog that would come out after every episode?  It was fabulous.  I can’t find it now.  I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Tim talks to his confidantes about PR.

    • http://profiles.google.com/rosatcollege Ros Clarke

      I like Becky’s.  I wish it weren’t made of denim and I wish the cubes were sharper, but I think it’s got some interest to it.  I like the cut out squares in the skirt and I like the asymmetric sweep of the dress.  It may not be avant garde but it’s cute.

      Victor’s, on the other hand, is as ugly as any ugly dress I have ever seen.  The pleating, the shredding, the colours, the complete lack of reference to the painting.  I thought he was lucky not to be in the bottom three. 

    • Anonymous

      “This is The Gap by way of Etsy”. Exactly!

      • Alloy Jane

        More like Regretsy.

        • Anonymous

          Regretsy?  TDF!

    • Anonymous

      I’d totally forgotten about Victor’s dress. I does have an interesting quality to it (although NOT A-G).I wish he’d used more colors from his picture.

      I sort of liked Kimberley’s; although would have liked to have seen the feathers restricted to the headband (loved the headband). Her design has an interesting structural quality to it–I think if she had taken that further, it would have resulted in a rather amazing look. 
      Becky–sigh. Again, too restrained. She had this amazing space painting and all she could do was blocks on the shoulder? Actually, if she’d gone, much, much further with those blocks, that would have been worth looking at–like, an entire skirt of blocks of different sizes. Or something. Can you imagine one of her fabulous jackets in an avant garde style?

      I feel as if these folks are putting all their imagination into their personal dramas instead of the designs. They could have really let loose with this one. Either they have no idea what A-G means or they have no imagination. Either scenario is not a good one for designers.What worries me about this season is that we’re so far along and I still have NO IDEA what an individual garment from these designers would look like. I don’t remember that being the case last year. This time last season, we knew what sort of thing Gretchen, or Mondo, or April or Michael C., or whomever, would design. Either this season has been structured to make that difficult (I’m looking at you, team challenges!), or these designers don’t really have a strong vision. Perhaps some of both.

      • Anonymous

         Becky’s did look like Becky’s to me.  It seemed very consistent with the jacket she did for the stilt walkers, no?

    • Kacper Nedza

      I can appreciate the craftsmanship and thought that went into Viktor’s design but it’s rather less than the sum of its parts – frankly I think it’s a hideous clusterfuck. Aesthetically not pleasing, in PR lingo.

      • Anonymous

        I love the phrase “hideous clusterfuck.”  I agree completely.

    • Anonymous

      Really?  You LIKED Hissy’s Dress?  To me, it wasn’t thoughtful at all.  What’s up with the chewed up fabric?  It looks all quilted and strange.  And it’s Light Blue and White – like the colors of a wimpy sports team.   Where is the thoughtfulness?  As much as I hated Bert’s – at least he was trying to really play with proportion – albeit with a 1986 style to it.  Mondo’s giant pants plus more Mondo ideas would have won that challenge.  Hissy’s dress looked like it was made of toilet paper or maxi pads.  HATE.   I know I’m just hating PR and projecting it onto all of the contestants and their clothes.  I need to lie down now.

      • Anonymous

        Honey, let me get you a nice gray hound, or perhaps a bloody mary and a cool towel for your forehead.  I know how you feel about this season.  I can’t even remember all their names.  They are making me feel like an old fart.

      • Anonymous

        I couldn’t stand Viktor’s dress because of those colors.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i can see the rodarte reference but to me, no matter who made it, viktor’s looks like rodarte filtered thru 80s whore filtered thru new romantic & made out of throwback stretch lace & hospital garbage bags. the back’s better than the front. his thing is creating thru pastel ombre, & i’m unsure whether pastel gradient is never good or if it just isnt good in viktor’s hands, time & time again.

      i thought about this for awhile & i am of at least half a mind that gretchen won last year cos they were picking up on the ridiculous, if you will, entré of the etsy experience into high fashion. no question about it, that is a real & serious element in the world of clothing now, & i dont mean just for people who palely imitate 70s back-to-the-landers. people are trying to push etsy into the realm of couture &, while i may think that those people are failing, it’s influence is profound.

      i know this for an assortment of reasons, a main one of which is that to what is perhaps the detriment of my tired mind, i spend a lot of time on etsy–cos my shop is there, for now. &, yep, i see a lot of becky type-stuff but there is also plenty of viktor type-stuff. neither would be the worst but neither would be the best, either. i hated becky’s hem & i didnt much care for her blocks. whether this was the best she could do in a competition where she was not so demoralized, i dont know. probably not.

      anyway, it’s almost a hundred degrees here & boy, last week was horrible. apologies for not being as articulate as all that.

      edited for grammar.

      ps. i forgot kimberly’s was even there. that doesnt say much for it, & i dont have much to say for it either. i do like the painting.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i can see the rodarte reference but to me, no matter who made it, viktor’s looks like rodarte filtered thru 80s whore filtered thru new romantic & made out of throwback stretch lace & hospital garbage bags. the back’s better than the front. his thing is creating thru pastel ombre, & i’m unsure whether pastel gradient is never good or if it just isnt good in viktor’s hands, time & time again.

      i thought about this for awhile & i am of at least half a mind that gretchen won last year cos they were picking up on the ridiculous, if you will, entré of the etsy experience into high fashion. no question about it, that is a real & serious element in the world of clothing now, & i dont mean just for people who palely imitate 70s back-to-the-landers. people are trying to push etsy into the realm of couture &, while i may think that those people are failing, it’s influence is profound.

      i know this for an assortment of reasons, a main one of which is that to what is perhaps the detriment of my tired mind, i spend a lot of time on etsy–cos my shop is there, for now. &, yep, i see a lot of becky type-stuff but there is also plenty of viktor type-stuff. neither would be the worst but neither would be the best, either. i hated becky’s hem & i didnt much care for her blocks. whether this was the best she could do in a competition where she was not so demoralized, i dont know. probably not.

      anyway, it’s almost a hundred degrees here & boy, last week was horrible. apologies for not being as articulate as all that.

      edited for grammar.

      ps. i forgot kimberly’s was even there. that doesnt say much for it, & i dont have much to say for it either. i do like the painting.

    • http://twitter.com/evergreen_g G and G

      I’m over this episode as well as the designs that the contestants showed on the runway. The talent has gone way down and the judging has deteriorated in terms of sophistication. Even Tim now seem unlikable and useless in how he provides direction to the designs in the workroom. Which is sad because I have seen the current contestants’ portfolios and some do have great pre-PR work. However, I think the show is failing to cultivate talent by coming up with poorly thought-out challenges especially those meant to create conflict such as team challenges. If at all, I’m just watching the show for the interplay of personalities and not the designs. It is no longer a show anyone should take seriously as a design competition.

    • Anonymous

      I’m having trouble seeing the love for Viktor’s dress. The fabric reminds me of white plastic grocery bags that rip before you get home. Once I got that into my head I couldn’t get it out. When I look closer I do see some good construction and a few thoughtful elements, overall forgettable. The other two were OK, I can’t work up much of an opinion either way.

    • Anonymous

      My main problem with Viktor’s dress is that it reminded me of something we saw way too much of early on in the season:  Puppy Pads..

    • MilaXX

      As mentioned none of these were good. I would have put Viktor and “Kimberley in the top 3.

    • Josefina Madariaga

      Viktor’s look is beautiful. It reminds me a lot (maybe because of the colors or the lace-like effect he managed with the fabric) of the avant-garde attempt of Gordana and Nicolas Putvinski at Season Six. Is it just me?

    • Allison Shannon

      I HATED Viktor’s.

    • Anonymous

      dude i hate viktor but he should’ve won

    • Jan Knapp

      When Viktor’s came down the runway, I thought we had gone back to the pet store challenge and had yet another wee-wee pad dress!

    • Anonymous

      TLo: I’ve been a fan of Project Rungay for years, and still tune in for a couple of months a year to read your posts on the show. But seriously: if you’re too bored with Runway to blog about it now and are ready to move on, just move on. Stop starting every other post sneering about how bored you are by doing it! I could give a f*ck what Taylor Swift or Sarah Jessica Parker wore to a fake awards show last night yet you don’t begin those posts with “ho hum this is so beneath us but our kittens and minions just won’t let us stop.” If you’re going to write about it, write about it. If you’re done with it, then don’t (or post fewer posts about if if you like). But blogging about it while simultaneously telling your readers how much it bores you is lame.

    • Anonymous

      TLo: I’ve been a fan of Project Rungay for years, and still tune in for a couple of months a year to read your posts on the show. But seriously: if you’re too bored with Runway to blog about it now and are ready to move on, just move on. Stop starting every other post sneering about how bored you are by doing it! I could give a f*ck what Taylor Swift or Sarah Jessica Parker wore to a fake awards show last night yet you don’t begin those posts with “ho hum this is so beneath us but our kittens and minions just won’t let us stop.” If you’re going to write about it, write about it. If you’re done with it, then don’t (or post fewer posts about if if you like). But blogging about it while simultaneously telling your readers how much it bores you is lame.

    • Now I am The Bee

      Sigh.  I thought all of these were pretty litteral interpretations of the paintings.  And I’m surprized that Viktor’s didn’t do better in the judging.  His entry was at least thought out and interesting with all the shredding.  Unfortunate choice of color, though.  Too much like the sanitary pad ads with the blus liquid, as many before me have mentioned. 
      But–his modle sure didn’t help.  She looks dour and pissed, as they all have looked this year, it seems. 

      I liked Becky’s dress, and it’s not any more “A cute dress with crap stuck on it” anymore than the winner’s was!  THis kind of  inconsistancy of the judging is what drives me bonkers!    The fishtail hem, though, has got to go. 

      Kimberly’s was very interesting as well.  And very well done–though really–it seems like another simple dress with crap stuck on it.  In this case feathers, albiet in an interesting pattern. 

      I wonder when we’ll see some original designs…not just dresses with crap stuck to them. 

    • Anonymous

      As much as I’ve liked Kimberly’s designs so far (which aside from her win have quietly graced the runway because she’s too drama-free for TV), this one is too reminiscent of her winning garment in terms of shape and construction. Maybe that’s why it fell into the waived pack.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

      I can’t decide if torturing a fabric with lovely drape like chiffon by making it look stiff and quilted is avant-garde or just wrong. I’m leaning toward the latter. Take a good look at this dress. It makes the model look lumpy, the way that he’s tried to meld the chiffon with whatever crap he’s used on the left side of the dress. 

      And FWIW, this doesn’t look like it’s made of maxi-pads, as some have said, but more like the chux from a doctors office/hospital. If you don’t know what those are, think of the wee-wee pads from the pet store challenge. In fact, I think this dress is really made from Viktor’s leftovers from that challenge.

    • http://twitter.com/rachael_solik Rachael Solik

      You cannot be serious. Usually I smile and nod with your commentary, but today I feel very much a bitter kitten about this dress. It looks like Viktor tied his model to a tree branch and proceeded to roll the tree with toilet paper and in turn, the model. I think I could walk into a Wet Seal right now and find this dress or a version of it in a top. SO hiddy. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/squeebone Sarah Merris

      Two words: Corpse Bride.

    • http://www.heyladyspring.com/ Lady

       Ok so I’m late watching this…I sort of gave up a few seasons ago.

      This avant-garde challenge is sad :( I probably should stop comparing every PR season to season 4..

      but still….It’s kinda hard! Siriano-March & Jillian-Victoria’s avant-garde looks are GALAXIES away from any of these.

      They all look like student-work noh?

    • Nonya

      I don’t like the last dress. It reminds me too much of a pee pad from the pet challenge.