PR: Team Passive-Aggressive

Posted on August 13, 2011

Okay, let’s break this down using math and science.

1) Viktor is a little bitch.

2) Bert is a bigger bitch.

 

We put off writing this, our apparently traditional Saturday post of wagging our fingers at Bert, because every interaction, as well as every bit of footage showing them working, was so ridiculously edited that the idea of trying to figure out who was at fault was too daunting. In the end, everyone’s going to vociferously argue for their favorite.

But we’re nothing without our opinions, so we’ll tell you what we saw.

Viktor was a snotty bitch for openly expressing his disappointment that Bert was his team mate. But you know what? That’s it for really shitty behavior coming from his direction. Maybe a little petulant and irritating from that point on, but it sure looked to us like he was trying to overcome their mutual disappointment over being teamed with the other.

We saw nothing of the sort from Bert. He was dismissive of almost everything Viktor said or he was in-your-face insistent upon things to the point where it more than seemed like he was pushing the younger guy around just to be the Big Dog.

Who gives a shit if Viktor used “Victorian” incorrectly in a workroom conversation or mentioned Mae West and pants in the same sentence? Who cares if he needs to read more books? It has nothing to do with the outcome of the design. Find a common language with your team mate and figure out how to work from there. Bert simply couldn’t allow that and had to go and obnoxiously correct him or berate him over inconsequential things.

In other words, despite his initial obnoxious outburst, we saw Viktor running around desperately trying to communicate and even mend fences with Bert so they could collaborate effectively. From Bert we saw derision and conflict-seeking at every turn.

The result:
Pure shit on stilts.


That fabric is truly horrifying. About 20 years out of style, it looks like Julia Sugarbaker’s upholstered desk chair.

And the skirt fabric is equally hideous with the extra bonus of not really matching the other fabric.


To top it off, the entire thing looks horribly made.

Who’s at fault for the design? Who knows? But it sure looked to us like Viktor was trying to explain the design to the judges while Bert was trying to distance himself from it and make it seem like everything was Viktor’s fault. That’s sure not how it looked to us in the workroom and Mood. To us, it looked like the entire thing was Bert’s baby and then when the shit hit the runway, he tried to shrug it off as someone else’s fault.

We don’t care if he’s older and cranky or if it’s annoying to be around a bunch of vapid kids; there’s no excusing Bert’s behavior here. He was nasty and dismissive and bullying throughout the process. The whole point to getting older is to learn from your experiences and set an example for younger people. If you’re just going to bully the young and treat them like little more than  pointless annoyances, you deserve every bit of ageism that’s going to come your way because if it.

We are officially over the Queen Mother. Unless there’s a dramatic shift in behavior, the new nickname is Queen Bitch. Although we suspect he’d kind of like that.

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke/MyLifetime.com - Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

    • Anonymous

      The skirt fabric? Had a Gap button-down shirt made of the exact same fabric – back in the mid-90s.

      • Sarah Masson

        Oh my god, I had the same shirt.  I wore it to a Sadie Hawkins Dance sophomore year of high school.  

    • Joe J

      God, I didn’t even notice that flimsy gold trim across the top of the bodice.  Hideous.  The whole thing is a butt-ugly, poorly made costume for a nonsensical challenge.  If my eyes could vomit, they would.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

        I think it was Heidi who commented on it during the judging, she hated it too!

        • Rick Aiello

          I didn’t even notice it until she pointed it out.  HIDEOUS.  The skirt could have been okay if it was paired with something– ANYTHING– more interesting on the top.  But that top was just… W! T! F!?

          Viktor got the shaft here big-time.  Bert was a prissy and bitchy and mean from the moment they started until they were standing on the runway.  He had no desire to work with ANYONE — and I think he would have acted exactly the same way with any of the other designers.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MNMVM2GPVUEIOJXBOSLCXKAW4U judy brown

      I was more anti-Vicktor, but not following closely.

      Whatever: even for Victorian (no less Mae West) that was a lame, half-assed design and execution.

      With Scarlet O’Hara curtain-material top, and a skirt with ’90s era-iridescent two-color fabric. (Or was that ’80s?)

      • http://splix.livejournal.com/ alex

        Heyyy, Scarlett’s portieres were a fabulous green velvet, a thousand times better than that nasty shiny 1980s Mariott hotel upholstery fabric!

      • Anonymous

        I can kind of understand Bert’s frustration over the whole “Victorian” thing. That monstrosity is in no way Victorian; the pointed bodice is more Elizabethan, the pannier-like hip thingys are either Elizabethan or eighteenth-century, and the damask fabric is straight up Renaissance Faire. And Mae West? She’s 20th century! If you’re going to be a designer, you should have some rudimentary knowledge of fashion history. I think that’s one of the reasons so many of the looks look like they’re ripoffs of other famous runway looks and the designers seem oblivious to that: they haven’t done their book learnin’.

        • Anonymous

          As Viktor was describing his collar concept, I was confused because I kept thinking:  “That sounds more Elizabethan.”  Clearly, Bert also had the same idea.  Though, if good communication had been the goal, Bert would have needed to work on the delivery. 

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, I’m not excusing his nastiness. Being frustrated with imprecision is one thing; being a totally condescending snark about it is another.

        • Anonymous

          You’re giving Bert slightly too much credit in his annoyance: he mentioned Mae West (Viktor had suggested “Old Hollywood”) and he selected the damask fabric (after they decided on the look and had the whole Victorian/Elizabethan conversation).

          Of course, as ridiculous as a lack of historical knowledge is, given that fashion designers in general define “kimono” as “anything that wraps in front”, I have a hard time being too upset by a fashion designer thinking of Victorian as “anything pre-20th century looking with a big skirt”. (But I still rolled my eyes. That was bad – he should be embarrassed.)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

          I can understand Bert being surprised by Vic’s lack of knowledge, but to be so rude and dismissive about it – there is no excuse for that.  Obviously someone needs to read a book about manners. 

        • shorty j

          exactly. Yeah, Bert comes across as a know-it-all but under these circumstances, you HAVE to at least sorta know your history and terminology because otherwise you can’t communicate and work together; you’re almost literally speaking different languages.

          • Anonymous

            But there’s a difference between “Wait, do you mean Elizabethan? Because that’s what you’re describing, and I want to make sure I understand.” and “You’re using the wrong term.” One is to clarify and understand, and the other is to mock and ridicule.

            • shorty j

               oh totally. I’m not saying what he did is right; rather, that I understand the compulsion to correct people because I am also a smug know-it-all, haha.

          • Anonymous

            But there’s a difference between “Wait, do you mean Elizabethan? Because that’s what you’re describing, and I want to make sure I understand.” and “You’re using the wrong term.” One is to clarify and understand, and the other is to mock and ridicule.

    • http://twitter.com/mme_hardy MadameHardy

      Burt seems completely unwilling to admit that he’s on Project Runway; all these silly projects and all these silly people are beneath him.

      That said,  those two fabrics are horrible together; there’s no excuse.  I think that you could have done something fabulously Alexander McQueen-like with the brocade, but that sure wasn’t it.

      • http://twitter.com/hillaryblock Hillary Block

        i was thinking something similar about the brocade too. the material looks like something good could be done with it, but this definitely wasn’t the way. i actually kind of like that fabric (maybe not as clothing, which would explain the curtain-references) but they totally effed up with it

        • Anonymous

          Yes, they could have done something with the brocade… if the challenge was to make something for one of those Russian Dolls.

          –GothamTomato

          • http://twitter.com/RocknLox Khadijah James

            That bodice was horrifying. I am curious to know what that fabric could be best used for other than an exceedingly satisfying bond fire.

          • tripletmom96

            or a ren faire costume…. i believe that was actually the look they were going for – although viktor said “victorian”, what he was describing was elizabethan – on which bert obnoxiously corrected him…. nevertheless it was poorly executed and clearly not at all what the judges wanted to see since all three of the “costumes” were in the bottom. 

            • Anonymous

              When Victor said Victorian, I think he might have been thinking that Victorian is like Victoria’s Secret, but the communication between them was so poor they were never going to understand what the other was saying.

              –GothamTomato

            • Anonymous

              When Victor said Victorian, I think he might have been thinking that Victorian is like Victoria’s Secret, but the communication between them was so poor they were never going to understand what the other was saying.

              –GothamTomato

            • margaret meyers

              I think that the idea of a corset with paniers or a riding coat with a peplum or tails was a good impulse — it helped bring the top half down below the waist and make the bottom a little less like curtains. 
              I think this horrible challenge needed a sportswear approach.

            • G.G. Malone

              I agree. Bratty squabbling aside, the basic design may be dated, but proportionally looks way better to me than some others. On my monitor, the stilt-walker looks like some WNBA starter on the way to an ESPY event: unfortunate in her formal wear choices, but game nonetheless. 

              No excuse for the lousy construction, however.  

            • margaret meyers

              Even if you ignore the stilt walking aspect, the women they were designing for all had strong, athletic builds that would have looked more at home in sports wear.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I just found the selection of that brocade, in those colors, to be monumentally stupid on Bert’s part.  It’s just such an old-looking fabric.  That would be problematic for any designer, but for a designer Bert’s age, on a show that has been traditionally unfriendly to older designers… It shows a total lack of awareness.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I just found the selection of that brocade, in those colors, to be monumentally stupid on Bert’s part.  It’s just such an old-looking fabric.  That would be problematic for any designer, but for a designer Bert’s age, on a show that has been traditionally unfriendly to older designers… It shows a total lack of awareness.

    • Emma Wallace

      I felt bad for Victor on the runway when he was trying to explain that even though it didn’t turn out at all how he wanted, he thought it was important to take half the responsibility for the outcome because he was half of the team. The judges kept trying to force him into saying that it was his design.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        If I was Viktor, I would be pissed. That grudge is not going away any time soon.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        If I was Viktor, I would be pissed. That grudge is not going away any time soon.

      • http://profiles.google.com/curlykew Heidi Hellstrom

        “The judges?” Psh – that was pure Heidi. She was beyond bitchy.

        And Tom & Lorenzo? This line? “The whole point to getting older is to learn from your experiences and
        set an example for younger people. If you’re just going to bully the
        young and treat them like little more than  pointless annoyances, you
        deserve every bit of ageism that’s going to come your way because if it.”

        Fan-freaking-tastic. Part of a multi-generational group with work – I’m in the middle of the age-spread. The attitude of a few of the more senior members appalls me and I’ve thought this exact same thing about them.

        • Anonymous

          I totally agree about the age thing.  Being older doesn’t give you the right to be a horrible person to everyone younger than you!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

            Yet the younger guy publicly scoffed and scorned the older guy, right on the runway, with everyone snickering all around him and comforting  him!  Way to alienate your partner before anything even starts.

          • http://twitter.com/mme_hardy MadameHardy

            Damn.  I’ve been doing it wrong.

      • http://twitter.com/onetimeko maybe more

         Yes! Heidi was so insistent on brow-beating him into saying something incriminating. It was really awkward to watch.

    • Anonymous

      Honestly, I actually wanted to punch Viktor in the throat immediately. That eye-roll and actually commenting on his dismay in front of everyone? What did he think was going to happen? Bert may be difficult (dear Lord is he difficult) but Viktor started off immediately with a sucky attitude and was just such a preteen boy about it all. Just shut up and take the higher road if you think he’s being immature, otherwise you’re not coming off much better, or better at all. 

      Also the ideas Viktor put forth sounded horrendous and tacky to me.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        And a freaking wuss — if he hated it, he should have fought it.  There was no team leader for this challenge, so there was no reason to cave to all of Bert’s ridiculousness. 

      • http://www.katymcdermott.com KatyMightHave

        I totally agree. Neither one of them exactly covered themselves with glory in the episode, but Viktor set the stage for a truly horrific team with his comment on being paired with Bert. The winner of the first challenge, a guy who has worked for some great designers – and his “heart just sunk?” Get over yourself, Viktor. Seriously. Bert was a bitch, no question, but I do believe that Viktor’s attitude from the very beginning sowed the seeds of that bitchery…

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1326120071 Gaby Ripoll

          Well, given the last challenge , what kind of team mate did it seem like Bert would make? And he was asked about his response. It was pretty much a setup.

        • Anonymous

          I agree. And as the episode progressed, it seemed to me that he was more interested in making sure we were all aware of how “victimized” he felt by Bert than he was in trying to get anything real done.  Seriously, all that storming without allowing Bert to finish his sentences is what my 12 year old brother does when he knows he’s at least partially in the wrong but doesn’t want to admit it and also wants to encourage spectators to view him as the wronged party.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t know. We don’t know how Bert treats the others in the apartment, and it’s obvious these two didn’t get along for some reason from the start. What I saw was Bert arguing every single point or idea Vicktor had, to the point that when Vicktor said “You’re being defensive” Bert would say “No, I’m not.” He had no intention on listening to him from the start. While the eye roll was childish, it’s obvious that Bert rubs everyone the wrong way and we haven’t seen enough of that yet because the show has just started. Vicktor several times tried to talk to Bert and collaborate on this idea, and Bert shot him down every time. After the episode (but not before) I’m definitely on Team Vicktor.

    • Anonymous

      THANK YOU! Your post expresses exactly how I felt about that matter!
      And, further, I think this is Bert’s M.O.  Throw the other guy under the bus.  To me, it seemed that Heidi thought he could do no wrong. The result, now poor Viktor has a massive target on his back for the judges.

      • Anonymous

        It seems that another part of Bert’s M.O. is that he’s one of those people who thinks a hard luck story gives him license to be an asshole.
         
        –GothamTomato

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2FXYZIJCBOTXXYBFGMESVTCVWM bradybutkus

          Exactly, Gotham Tomato.  Bert is working my last nerve. 

    • http://twitter.com/marignygirl Marigny Girl

      In defense of Bert …. I have to give the bitterness crown to Viktor. He was a complete ass in his response to being teamed with The Queen Mother. And while it is nice to think that we could rise above  and all that … sometimes the only way to combat douchey behavior is to outdo it.  Viktor threw his hat in the ring  wanting to take the title for Queen Bitch, Bert mopped the floor with him. I can’t say I’m sorry. 

      Having said that, I’m over His Bertness as well.  I loved him so much that first episode, now …meh.  Good thing Heidi is on his side, looks like he’s going to need it. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PHBN5RJ6BJHC72S22IIP3J437E Jae

        I totally agree..you can’t thrown down the gauntlet in a shade contest and then get mad when you get bested by the Queen Bitch…it is hard to win at a game against the person who has been playing for as long as you have been living…I’m just saying…

      • Anique Ashraf

        Looking at Bert’s behaviour in the previous challenge and his ‘crummy’ attitude, I can honestly say I would have rolled my eyes even harder and been much more vocal about my bad luck.

      • Anique Ashraf

        Looking at Bert’s behaviour in the previous challenge and his ‘crummy’ attitude, I can honestly say I would have rolled my eyes even harder and been much more vocal about my bad luck.

    • http://profiles.google.com/bratling2 Laura Davies

      Bert just proving that he was educated in the 70s and hasn’t bothered to keep up…. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

        The 1870′s?

        • http://profiles.google.com/bratling2 Laura Davies

          LOL!  I was looking at the lamé print brocade…

        • http://profiles.google.com/bratling2 Laura Davies

          LOL!  I was looking at the lamé print brocade…

    • Lattis

      AND THEY MADE HER BUTT LOOK HUGE!!!! This when you’ve got a slender model who is literally 20 feet tall.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792414740 Kelly Malizia

      I still love Bert. i can’t help it. I really thought Viktor was the more immature one. I must admit, though, that Bert was disappointing me with his participation in the foolishness. I guess I really just want to love Bert. I was really rooting for him and i am willing to grant him huge exceptions for his age bracket. TLo was so right, they called that shit out of the box re: Bert and his sassafrass attitude. :(

      • Anonymous

        I was disappointed by Bert in this challenge, too.  I just wanted him to be more gracious, or at least a little gracious.  But I’m not ready to do a complete about-face.  

        I wasn’t a fan of Viktor going into this challenge, but I thought I saw some fence-mending behavior from him.  That makes me think more highly of him.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I don’t know how they do it, but they. called. it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_64HSRZWCSJ5RBFGCWDLFQOICYM G

      I was on Berts’s side from the get-go, but no more.  What a prick.  And is it just me, or does that extra half hour add nothing to the show, except ennui….. sometimes the show seems interminable.

      • Anonymous

        As to length of show – that’s why I DVR it and watch it right after it’s over. Seems to me the only thing making it 90 minutes does is add to the number of commercials – makes me crazy.

        • Anonymous

          I think that we’re treated to a bit more workroom discussion and judging.

          • Sarah Masson

            Does anyone else find the judging to be extremely repetitive?  The judges tell the designers what they think then immediately after we have to listen to them recap what they’ve just gone over with the designers, then they bring the designers back out and we get to hear it for a third time, except this time, the producers have turned everything into horrible little soundbites that are supposed to make Heidi seem witty. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VBWWGHZEBKTVQMXE5SO5NCU2I Mich

        i like the extra time at the beginning of the season at least; i really feel we get to see more of the runway and a bit more judging. it seems they’ve been giving the last 1/2 hour entirely to runway and judging, and i like that.

        • Anonymous

          I agree. But I’ve been wondering how they’re going to fill 30 extra minutes when we’re down to 5 designers.

          • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

             With fabricated interpersonal drama, of course!

    • Anonymous

      I kind of thinkViktor came out looking worse in this.  Yes,  it was a disaster of a dress and Bert was well, Bert through the entire challenge; but Viktor letting his utter disappointment and distate for being paired with Bert was just inexcuseable.  He set the tone before they even set foot in the workroom.

      • Anonymous

        Yes exactly, Scarlet. Viktor set the whole thing in motion and it just got worse from there. I’m not saying Bert is blameless. Someone had to be an adult in the situation. Unfortunately Bert decided not to rise to the occasion. I’d be more likely to evenly distribute the blame if Viktor hadn’t wasted time telling everyone else in the workroom what was going on. If he wanted or needed to talk about it with one person, I’d get that because it got really ugly really fast. But he just got all petty and had to act like a middle-schooler, gossiping about the weird guy nobody likes. Plus there’s that whole wasting time thing, which was just plain stupid considering the ridiculously short amount of time they had to work on that masterpiece they made. Both of them had already wasted enough time arguing.

        I’m not writing Viktor off though. Right now I think he’s a little punk with more arrogance than sense or talent, but he might be a great guy who had a really bad day. But I’m still on Team Bert.

    • Anonymous

      All the fabric is ugly, but the ugliest fabric was the shitastic sofa upholstery Bert picked out.  But, no one wants to watch a bunch of polite, effective communicators getting along swimmingly in the work room.  So for drama factor, they were the best team.  I agree with them not getting auf’ed, but I seriously hope Bert gets taken to task by the judges in a really harsh way if his ridiculously bad attitude continues and he keeps sending shit down the runway.

    • http://www.joannao.blogspot.com JoannaOC

      Watching Bert bully Viktor seriously creeped me out. It was a page right out of my experience with some of the addicts in my family: he didn’t just behave badly, he lied repeatedly about what Viktor said or did to the point where any response Viktor made looked bad.  Having been on the receiving end of that kind of behavior too often in my life, it made me sick.

      • Anonymous

        Totes made the addict connection too. I’m kinda biased though because from episode one I was thinking “this is a man who knows how to get sympathy and use it as a weapon”.

      • Anonymous

        I got a sense of this — but in thinking about it, to me Bert’s behavior seemed more flavored with a really stubborn insistence on deliberately challenging every single point for the purpose of confusing every single issue so that in the end no one can accurately pinpoint responsiblity for anything on him (unless he wants to take credit, then he’ll be able to debate that he deserves it and you’re wrong in remembering that too).  

        • Anonymous

          I was thinking the same thing, but you said it better.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Looks like Bert has replaced one addictive behavior with another.

      • Anonymous

        That’s interesting.  The only lie I remember was when Viktor claimed “I didn’t say that” when the earlier footage showed that he’d said that (whatever it was) verbatim.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, all addicts are manipulative liars. Period.

        –GothamTomato

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Yep.  Addicts lie.  They may not mean to lie, they may even believe it when they say it.  But all addicts lie.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

          People do recover, you know.  This is a pretty blanket condemnation of someone who you don’t even know. It seems a little harsh to me.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            And recovering addicts are one thing.  But addicts who are still in the grip of their addictions lie. 

    • Anonymous

      I wonder if Bert’s directness (to put it nicely) is partly due to where he is in his sobriety.  I sense the program (if Bert is in it) includes telling people like it is….as a way of getting past denial etc….unfortunately outside of that realm…it can come off as rude and patronizing.

      That said, his behavior — edited or not — is really disappointing.  He seemed so “game” in the first challenge.

      • Eclectic Mayhem

        I was wondering about that too as Bert’s behaviour reminds me slightly of ‘Angry Little Peanut’ from Season 3 (aka Jeffrey Sibelia) who was also a recovering addict.

        I don’t really know enough about addiction or recovery to do more than ponder it though!

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Bullshit.  I’ve been around addicts and recovery programs since I was 5, and I’ve known a lot of addicts (both recovering and current) who are absolute sweethearts.  In fact, I once realized that my lifelong love of Robert Downey Jr was due to the fact he reminds me of a coke addict that was in rehab with my dad.

        Rehab teaches you not to lie, but it doesn’t teach you to be a dick. 

        • Anonymous

          Didn’t mean to imply that it teaches one to lie.  In fact, my sense is the opposite…I’m not saying anything he did was in the right…in fact, he should be mature enough not to care….but his lack of tact reminds me a bit of the behavior of some who are working the steps…I know as many friendly former addicts as “dicky” ones…just introducing the idea that he swallowed his anger before and is learning to balance it,   but maybe he was a bitter person in his earlier life and I just fell for the story.

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            Oh, I know what you were saying: that in rehab he would have learned to be honest even when it hurts. 

            But that’s a false assumption: most programs require support groups.  The difference between a support group and a therapy group is that support groups do not allow you to criticize others — no matter how many times the woman in the back wants to tell the same story, you just have to be supportive regardless of how stupid someone’s actions.  Rehab should have taught him the way to treat people without being an ass, not the other way around. 

            I have the utmost sympathy for him, but excusing his behavior (which I know you may not have intended) by bringing up his recovery isn’t helpful.  Recovering addicts have to be accountable for their actions no matter how much pain they’re in.

      • Anonymous

        I think getting past denial is more about being brutally honest with yourself. There’s a way to give people your honest opinion without putting them on the defensive, and I think Bert doesn’t have that gene. I’m willing to bet he’s always been prickly and difficult to be around.

        I also think, however, that some of the designers feel Bert is just a washed-up has-been with nothing to offer because he’s old.

        • Anonymous

          Well said!

    • Anonymous

      I think there was enough blame to go around.  I admit that Viktor tried to move on from the bickering, especially after Tim visited them, so maybe Viktor gets a small bump up in my estimation. It is funny how many of us really wanted to like Bert from the get-go. But sometimes, even if people have overcome tragedy and set backs, it doesn’t mean they aren’t assholes.

      This dress was hideous. Not sure the bickering is to blame. Horrible taste and judgement all the way around. Maybe their bickering made them defend their poor decisions and not want to back down. Whatever the reason, this was ugly.

    • Anonymous

      Seriously though guys. Your challenge is to make an outfit for stilt walkers and you get paired with the guy who spent all of last challenge talking about how he wasn’t going to do costumes, how that was beneath him, that’s worth some dismay. Especially considering the absolute punt that Bert made because he didn’t want to do costumes.

      Maybe Vicktors reaction was un-politic, but it was sure as hell warranted.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

        It’s never warranted to be that blatantly rude in front of that many people.  That was awful and it would have alienated the heck out of me too.

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          But he could have been the bigger, more mature person and sucked it up. Bert had the opportunity to school the bitch but he went the other way. 
          It reminds me of the prejudice of Michael last season. The cool kids were schoolyard-cruel, but he wound up showing dignity and won people over. OK, I am oversimplifying it but he handled a similar situation much differently.

    • Anonymous

      Well, it’s hard to tell what happened because of the editing. (And there’s no way that I’m going to go back and watch it again to see what happened.) But I don’t think either of them covered themselves with glory. I felt so sorry for Tim having to stand there and listen to all that. Both Vicktor and Bert should be ashamed of themselves. 

      But I guess I haven’t learned anything from you all because I can’t tell why that design is so unacceptable from a design standpoint. It looks like a million referential pieces that I’ve seen in Vogue and the like. If they’re doing a bodice like that, then that brocade fabric is the sort of thing I’d expect to see used. As far as I can tell, the skirt fabric has a burgundy hue to it that picks up the background shade of the brocade. So why aren’t they acceptable together? And furthermore, if those fabrics are so out of date, why is Mood carrying them?

      I guess my fashion sense is just hopeless.

      But thanks for the Saturday post! 

      • http://profiles.google.com/bratling2 Laura Davies

        How about “because it’s fugly”?

      • http://profiles.google.com/gillianholroyd gillian holroyd

        “And furthermore, if those fabrics are so out of date, why is Mood carrying them? ”
        I laughed when I read this because it’s true. I suppose the answer is “because bad taste is eternal”

        I wonder if his choice was another example of “this is good enough”, just doing the minimum to get by, which would be sad. The material wasn’t brocade so much as a Balinese temple cloth. I’m looking at a white/gold version used as a wall hanging right now, so I’ll continue on the Bert bandwagon for a while longer. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Because while the fabric sucks for how it was used, there will always be a segment of the population (my BFF who is insanely traditional, being one of them) who wants fabric like this, generally for home furnishings. 

        • Anonymous

          Mood has an upholstery section (downstairs, I think)…..the brocade may have come from there….or maybe they sourced it from some giant costume drama….or from one of the ladies of RHNJ.

          • Anonymous

            Either of those fabrics would be great for theatre costumes, steampunk or historical reinactors – all of whom would be potential customers of Mood.

            • Anonymous

              Agreed — I know the owner of one of the costume builders in the City and she sources Mood and others all the time.  She is using fabric very similar to that brocade….although not that colorway, for a big movie.

        • Anonymous

          Mood has an upholstery section (downstairs, I think)…..the brocade may have come from there….or maybe they sourced it from some giant costume drama….or from one of the ladies of RHNJ.

        • Anonymous

          Mood has an upholstery section (downstairs, I think)…..the brocade may have come from there….or maybe they sourced it from some giant costume drama….or from one of the ladies of RHNJ.

      • Anonymous

        Mood carries many, many fabrics, and trust me some of them are HIDEOUSLY butt and out of date. Because, like any good business, they’re trying to attract the largest number of customers they can and people simply have different tastes. It’s NYC – you have every single culture and ethnicity possible in America crammed onto a tiny island. I have seen plenty of grandmas in Mood buying country cottage type stuff just as as I have seen students buying crazy prints and furs, professional designers buying wholesale yardage of boring basic staple fabrics, Russian trampy ladies from Brooklyn buying out all the burgundy silks/satins and black lace, etc etc. Good and bad taste is everywhere, so that’s represented in the stock. This is pretty much the norm for most fabric stores in the garment district. And while some ghastly fabrics/prints might be unsavable I do think that it is often what you do with the fabric that counts more.

        Like, the bodice looks 100% home furnishings to me. You cannot tell me Bert did not pick that up on the lower level amongst the curtainings. This might not necessarily be bad, but you would have to do something kick-ass with that print (and definitely NOT something literal/period/costumey) and this just wasn’t it at all. The skirt fabric didn’t match with it because while maybe you could say “but they’re both people,” they are very different in tone. The bodice fabric is kind of a rich old-fashioned gold on top of this grape fabric with a little bit of a nap or pile, like velvet or velveteen, while the skirt fabric is shiny cross-dyed lavender and (what appears to me to be) this nasty Easter-ish green color that you often find in cross-dyed fabrics. They are called cross-dyed because the threads running one way are treated differently or a different fiber than the yarns running in the other so that when you dip them into one specially-made dye bath it dyes them two different colors at the same time. To me, they scream 90′s, when they were really popular, and always look kind of cheapy and rayon-y. Shiny iridescence + velvety sheen is a lot of light interplay. Coupled with the tonal mismatch (Medieval Times on top, 90′s Barbie prom princess on bottom) and I would say….no, these fabrics do not go together.

        • Marie Drucker

          Wow. Thank you so much for explaining stuff like this. I love it all.
          We (my and my kids) were in the garment district today and I made them stop and look at Parsons. They rolled their eyes at me.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks much for the fabric tutorial. I don’t sew and don’t design anything, so I’ve never spent a lot of time in fabric stores. In looking at the pictures again, I see what you mean in terms of the fabrics not going together (although I think the change in lighting from outdoors to indoors makes a big difference).

          I guess I just kind of liked the idea they were going for. But it does seem to me that the line between high fashion (say, McQueen) and costume is awfully hard to determine sometimes.
           

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

        Mood tends to carry close-out fabrics – leftovers from lots ordered by manufacturers, or discontinued items.  That way they get a good variety of stuff very reasonably.  Some of it’s fabulous, others not so much.  I think there are better stores in the garment district (like when they went to the Spandex House for the wrestling challenge), but there aren’t many where you can find such a wide selection in one place.

    • Anonymous

      Bert was a bitch, no doubt about it, but some of it I could understand. Someone here commented that Bert seems like someone who doesn’t suffer fools, and as a person with a similar, erm, outlook, I have some empathy for him. And saying “Victorian” when you mean Elizabethan DOES matter – because those aren’t the same things, and because you’re NOT using a common language, and when you say to Nina and Michael: We were going for Victorian, and Michael says “Victorian HOOKER maybe, is she supposed to be Jack the Ripper’s next victim?” ,you look like a dumbass.
      Viktor’s petulance was extremely off-putting. *I* don’t respond well to that sort of thing, because it’s tiresome and obnoxious and forecloses progress; I am guessing that I would have reacted a bit like Bert did. And in the workroom, Bert kept saying: “No, it’s NOT my design” – an obvious portent of what happened on the runway. Methinks Bert doesn’t play well with others (another of my own failings), but is also oblivious as to how he appears to people and so doesn’t think or know to self-correct.

      Both of them had nothing but abysmal ideas for this hideous challenge, though, so no one gets let off the hook.

      • Anonymous

        This is pretty much my take, too.  It may be that my own age is a factor here, but when Bert made his Elizabethan comment, I said, “yes!”  Because that’s exactly what I was thinking.  Don’t even get me started on the general ignorance out there about what the word “Victorian” actually means.  The history of design is important when you’re a designer.  You DO need to know what you’re referencing if you expect to make sense of it.  

        None of which lets Bert off for his own poor design choices, though it seems to me that what they ended up with was a far cry from his original idea.  But I found his behavior entirely comprehensible, while Viktor seemed like an alien to me.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OLPW7F6LC3JPVYX652OZKT2DTU Kathryn Dudley

          like x 1,000,000,000

        • Lies L.

          I don’t think it’s your age – whatever that age may be. :) I’m 23 and a history graduate student and the Victorian thing just made me utterly dislike Viktor from the start. I know not everyone has to know everything, but just bleh. At least Bert came across as halfway informed. Even though he was in the end just as nasty.

      • PostsYouCanDanceTo

        And saying “Victorian” when you mean Elizabethan DOES matter – because
        those aren’t the same things, and because you’re NOT using a common
        language, and when you say to Nina and Michael: We were going for
        Victorian, and Michael says “Victorian HOOKER maybe, is she supposed to
        be Jack the Ripper’s next victim?” ,you look like a dumbass.

        This is all well and true, but if Bert’s such a walking encyclopedia of monarchical English fashion, why not take Viktor’s ideas and convey your knowledge and sketch out some examples so both of you are on the same proverbial page? Why not dialogue and sketch and build this buzzword into a full look?

        Viktor was trying to figure out a hazy reference point in an attempt to come up with something dramatic enough for a stiltwalker. If his information was lacking,  Bert could have built it up and together they could whip up something certainly better than this. Instead, Bert kept discouraging Viktor’s every suggestion so badly it put metaphorical road blocks on Viktor’s creativity. It was nothing short of sabotage because Bert decided to be fiercely arrogant and hostile to cooperation.

        • Anonymous

          I guess Bert could have quickly sketched a Victorian outfit and an Elizabethan outfit and said, which style are you talking about? That might have worked better.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

            And that would have been a professional, mature response to Viktor’s ideas, and sadly Bert didn’t do that.
            bitchybitchybitchy

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

          Maybe b/c Viktor threw down the gauntlet of arrogance and hostility the second he found out Bert was his partner?  You can say, “Bert should have been the bigger person,” but then you’re admitting that Viktor was being small.

      • http://badkittyknits.blogspot.com KittyKnits

        Like I said in the original “winner” post, while Viktor’s terminology was wrong (as a Victorianist, even I knew he meant “Elizabethan”), there are ways to get correct information and/or clarification from someone so you can find that common language without being a huge and utter bitch.  Bert missed that.  SapphoPoet had a great suggestion below:
        “I guess Bert could have quickly sketched a Victorian outfit and an
        Elizabethan outfit and said, which style are you talking about? That
        might have worked better.”

        I agree with the others who can see his behavior as similar to any kind
        of addict; the drinking may be gone, but those attitudes die hard.  I’m afraid I don’t see a “telling it like it is” 12-step program viewpoint in Bert’s comments, though.  I see someone who is argumentative for its own sake, someone who insists on “being right,” and, worst of all, someone who seems to think he’s above this competition.  If you think the challenges are silly, Bertie-poo, YOU SHOULDN’T BE ON A REALITY T.V. SHOW.

        I also think “Queen Bitch” is too good of a nickname for Bert now; maybe because something like that is taken as a compliment in my household ;-)  Maybe “Mean Girl” or “Little Miss Bully.”

      • Anonymous

        Well, the point is…Bert understood what he MEANT perfectly. If not, he could not have differentiated it as Elizabethan as opposed to Victorian. People are taking issue with the way he makes his little corrections, which according to some of the designer vlogs on Lifetime is ALL the time. Danielle said he called her a “stupid idiot” out of nowhere and she hadn’t spoken to him since. Viktor was immature about rolling his eyes and saying shit when he got paired with him but maybe you have to ask why he would have such a strong reaction – one pretty much shared by everyone else in the cast. Bert doesn’t get a pass because he’s old, or a lush, or has a dead husband. Sympathy is not a free pass to be a bitter asshole. I’m surprised so many people freely admit they give him leeway because of age. Some of the worst people I’ve ever met in my life were the elderly who thought they had somehow become entitled to do as they pleased because they passed some imaginary benchmark in years. Bert is not infirm or helpless, it’s not as if words are all he has left. He chooses to act superior as a defense mechanism, that’s obvious, but…I’m a correcty know-it-all too and even I acknowledge there’s a time, a place, and a level of tact. There’s no point in a time crunch arguing whether or not something is Victorian or Elizabethan – you should be arguing about whether you should put a certain design detail into a garment. Don’t say MAE WEST NEVER WORE PANTS, say “I don’t think pants work well because…” You can sort out your little design spiel for the judges later during hair and makeup, or maybe just let Grandpa Librarian loose on that one since he’s just champing at the bit to let everyone know how learned he is. I hate when old people act as if young people are all stupid, and the future of humanity lies on more library cards for the kiddies. It’s patronizing and stupid, because every generation has great and terrible people of all kinds, most of whom grow up and all remember their different, personal versions of the good ol’ days when a gallon of gas only cost a quarter and a smile. Whatevs. (But yes, it’s irritating in the creative fields when people need to discuss artistic movements and points of references and they don’t know what they’re talking about. Victorial/Elizabethan is closer than many flubs I’ve heard, and it’s a pet peeve of mine. I still thought Bert was a dick about it, overall. Sometimes it’s not one singular comment, it’s the number of comments overall or the fact that thery are the only kinds he makes.)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDI2DLE7DE3YPW2ONIHBWOVHMA ecallaw

          THIS says everything I was thinking.  We can’t know everything that is going on behind the scenes, but I have difficulty believing that Viktor would have had such an overt reaction to his pairing with Bert unless Bert had been pretty difficult and everyone else had also seen that side of him.

      • Anonymous

        Can we take into account that Viktor’s ancestry is probably not Northern European; he has a bit of an accent so his first language probably wasn’t English and “Elizabethan” and “Victorian” are two pretty specific references to the culture and history of one island nation?
        Bert knew what Victor meant and could have gently corrected his references without coming off all Herr Doktor Professor McAsswipe.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          I don’t mind that he didn’t know the difference, I mind that he was so childish when corrected.  Though Bert also corrected him in the most annoying way possible.  And while my ancestry is Northern European, you have to go back to way before Queen Victorian to find my family still there — yet for all the centuries we’ve spent in the US, I still know the difference.  Elizabethan and Victorian are not exclusive to the UK (in fashion) as they both represent prevailing styles throughout most of Europe, the colonies, and the US at the time.

    • http://twitter.com/RachelGCarroll Rachel Carroll

      I thought Bert’s feeling were hurt when Viktor said what he said when they were paired up, and he acted out from there on out.  Once his bitchy wall was up there was no going back.  It strikes me that most of his bravado is about insecurity around being so much younger designers and feeling like he doesn’t fit in.  Unfortunately he has gone for Queen Bitch as a coping mechanism. I am not sure if I want to smack him or hug him, lol.  All that being said, I thought this was hideous and was almost completely Bert’s design.  I was yelling at the telelvision when he pushed it all onto Viktor on the runway.

    • Anonymous

      I had heard about Bert’s behavior before seeing the episode and was all ready to agree and…

      I’m on his side, pretty much completely. I didn’t really see Viktor trying to mend fences, from the moment the team was announced his behavior was very much “oh no I’ve got to deal with the old guy.” Viktor honesty came off as belittling in most of his interaction and never seemed to really take Bert seriously, and Bert’s responses were a kind of “too old for this shit” anger. He could have handled it better, but I give him credit for not kicking Viktor through a wall like I was tempted to for most of the episode.

    • Anonymous

      With the hatchet edit job done on both the work room and the judging, it’s hard to say what really went on. I seem to remember that it was His Bertness who picked the upholstery fabric the judges hated with a passion, but don’t remember that fact coming out at judging. Just seemed like Victor was taking the brunt of the hits from the judges. Maybe Victor isn’t very articulate and couldn’t express the true story effectively…dunno. Do know that Bert was a prick during this challenge, far outweighing the eye-rolling incident during team assignments. I was in Bert’s corner from the start, but now it’s over…I got my eye on you!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      Personally, I’ve never been a fan of Bert, and I don’t really understand where all the good will came from during the first episode. But Viktor’s behavior was terrible, especially when he blurted it out as soon as he was told they were going to be on a team. So I understand Bert being defensive. That said, they both kept trying to beat each other compared to working as a team, and they both failed. You may not like your teammate, but you need to understand that you’re dependent on them to stay in the game. Suck it up people!

      And with that said, I want both of them gone. They both dress terribly.

    • Anonymous

      I also think Bert’s feelings were hurt and that sort of set the tone for the entire thing.

      However, they are both to blame for that terrible mess. It was Viktor’s idea and Bert’s fabric.

      • Anonymous

        This is where I came down on the “who’s to blame for this mess” question, too.  They (barely) executed Viktor’s crappy design with Bert’s crappy fabric. 

        And honestly, Viktor’s idea of a fresh start seemed to be “walk away whenever Bert says something I don’t agree with,” so I still put a decent amount of blame on him, although I agree that Bert was the more poorly-behaved of the two.

    • Anonymous

      I’m hoping the social strain for being 30+ years older than everyone and having to compete against a group of unborn fawns is what’s behind Bert’s bitchiness and that he SNAPS OUT OF IT! Because we all want to cheer for him. (Seriously, what was he expecting.) 

    • Anonymous

      I was already over the Queen Bitch by the previous episode.

      “♫ I have immunity, doo-dah, doo-dah… ♪”

      Ugh.

      • Anonymous

        me too and this just sealed the coffin containing my original interest in Bert given his age and back story. But his attitude (yes, despite likely edits for hightened drama) and his times 3 dated designs and ideas makes me simply over. him.

    • http://karensbooksandchocolate.blogspot.com/ Karen K.

      I think they were both childish and petty.  I’ve seen other challenges on previous season where the designers didn’t necessarily like each other or share the same aesthetic, and the good ones rise above it and learn something from each other.  Case in point: Mondo and Michael C. last season.  Mondo was very unhappy to work with Michael C., and even though his design put him in the bottom, he was mature enough to admit he’d been wrong about Michael and they ended up working well together and respecting each other.  Both Viktor and Bert were unprofessional — who wants to work with someone like that?  No one’s going to agree with you all the time.  They both needed to get over it and move on.

    • jeff michalski

      I must disagree that the point of getting older is to learn from your experiences and set an good example. That may be the best way to handle getting older and let’s hope everyone takes it under advisement.

      But the truth is, there actually is no point in growing older. It just happens and there’s nothing to be done about it.

    • jpilacky

      Burt is really starting to give me Wendy Pepper vibes (older, capable of good moments but an aesthetic that skews very dated, and a mega bitch), which is breaking my heart. The second I saw a glimpse of him in the first episode I was on his side, but he’s making it oh so very hard.

      And tnemily- I had that same shirt. It’s one of many, MANY things I owned in the 90s that make me cringe upon seeing old photos.

      • Anonymous

        I kind of disagree. Wendy gave of a very bad and strange vibe. She was being manipulative and crazy while Bert is just plain mean, whatever the reason is, is it his nature or is it a reaction to events being edited of. Still, he doesn’t play with people, putting a nice and fake face while trying to dig their graves. If he doesn’t like you, he will say it. That’s kind of refreshing, in a way. But if he begin to bully others, well I won’t be able to stay on his side and that make me sad.  

    • Aaron Blair

      The apex of Bert’s asshattery was, for me, when he snarkily commented during one of his talking head segments on the working relationship between Bryce and Fallene by saying that Bryce was being controlling and pushing Fallene around, all while doing the exact same thing himself with Viktor, at every possible opportunity.  Hello?  Pot?  Kettle?  I found Viktor as annoying as Bert, so, whatever, to their whole situation, but I can’t stand hypocrisy.  That said, Bert has totally squandered the goodwill that is generated from being the first challenge winner by acting like he’s totally over the entire competition ever since.  And, if the “coming up on this season” preview footage at the end of the first episode was at all accurate, it looks like he’s not going to be playing well with others in the future, either.  So he might be around for a while whether he puts in the effort or not, if he’s a reliable source of drama.

    • Aaron Blair

      The apex of Bert’s asshattery was, for me, when he snarkily commented during one of his talking head segments on the working relationship between Bryce and Fallene by saying that Bryce was being controlling and pushing Fallene around, all while doing the exact same thing himself with Viktor, at every possible opportunity.  Hello?  Pot?  Kettle?  I found Viktor as annoying as Bert, so, whatever, to their whole situation, but I can’t stand hypocrisy.  That said, Bert has totally squandered the goodwill that is generated from being the first challenge winner by acting like he’s totally over the entire competition ever since.  And, if the “coming up on this season” preview footage at the end of the first episode was at all accurate, it looks like he’s not going to be playing well with others in the future, either.  So he might be around for a while whether he puts in the effort or not, if he’s a reliable source of drama.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IVAJNOUIUXRFJA627JMU2YLWSY ana

      “To us, it looked like the entire thing was Bert’s baby and then when
      the shit hit the runway, he tried to shrug it off as someone else’s
      fault.”

      Gretchen, big team challenge last season, anyone?

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: He was nasty and dismissive and bullying throughout the process.”

      I second that emotion.

      I think Bert & Victor should have their own show where they play a crime-fighting duo who capture the bad guys without firing a shot: They just bicker and & whine until the criminals throw up their hands and surrender in utter confusion just to get away from them.

      –GothamTomato

    • Lies L.

      While I think Bert acted like a big bitch, Viktor wasn’t in any way better, IMHO. I think he genuinely thought he was gonna out-bitch Bert and Bert taught him a lesson. He was certainly no innocent victim. And that garment was hideous.

      I do agree that the judges should have acknowledged Bert’s part of the bitchery more than they did. They seemed very willing to turn against Viktor, and the fault was certainly not just his.

      That said, I still prefer Bert to Viktor. I just kind of want to punch Viktor in the face.

    • Lies L.

      While I think Bert acted like a big bitch, Viktor wasn’t in any way better, IMHO. I think he genuinely thought he was gonna out-bitch Bert and Bert taught him a lesson. He was certainly no innocent victim. And that garment was hideous.

      I do agree that the judges should have acknowledged Bert’s part of the bitchery more than they did. They seemed very willing to turn against Viktor, and the fault was certainly not just his.

      That said, I still prefer Bert to Viktor. I just kind of want to punch Viktor in the face.

    • http://profiles.google.com/sephski Jennifer Szczublewski

      Bert was impossible, but Viktor really did set the mood when he reacted so childishly upon hearing he’d have to work with Bert. Karma is a bitch.

      Also, I propose that “shit on stilts” becomes the new “crap on a cracker”.

    • http://profiles.google.com/sephski Jennifer Szczublewski

      Bert was impossible, but Viktor really did set the mood when he reacted so childishly upon hearing he’d have to work with Bert. Karma is a bitch.

      Also, I propose that “shit on stilts” becomes the new “crap on a cracker”.

    • http://twitter.com/thedogsmother thedogsmother

      The skirt fabric – my mother had a bolt of that in the early 60s. She never used it and I used to play dress-up with it. I loved it! Shiny, royal, exotic and mysterious.

    • Anonymous

      I’d like to think Bert’s an evil genius who orchestrated the whole thing to get Viktor on the judges’ hit list, but it’s probably just hideously bad taste.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10716133 Paige Morgan

        Probably, but man, it certainly seems to have been an effective way to make them forget about his bad attitude from the week before. Viktor was a bitch when they were paired, but I kind of wished Heidi had said “see, this is what happens when you don’t put any effort in when you have immunity. You get a reputation.”

    • Anonymous

      My initial reaction was that I really liked this outfit, although seeing it here, it does look pretty dumpy. I still don’t see anything inherently wrong with the fabrics though.

      Also, my take was that Viktor was the bigger pain, especially as he was the one that got the ball rolling. That comment when he was paired with Bert was really inexcusable.

      However, I think Bert and Viktor had mended fences before the runway
      show, but that all ended obviously when they landed in the bottom 3.

      Also also, I can’t understand why people think it’s clever to play up a villain role in reality TV. Reality TV villains are a dime a dozen, and I find them irritating (as in turn it off irritating) not entertaining. On the other hand I will never forget Seth Aaron refusing to throw Anthony under the bus when he so easily could have.

      I hope Bert improves in coming episodes, I still want to see him do well, even if he is bitchy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

      Having dealt with an older sister who I only THOUGHT was the queen of know-it-allishness and defensiveness, I started to have anxiety attack when Bert started the Victorian vs. Elizabethan crap. I think Viktor is a little snot, though, and maybe deserved the first couple of bouts of bitchiness. His remarks when told he was working with Bert were VERY nasty, and uncalled for. But Bert picked that top material, and started it moving toward the ditch. I honestly thought they both deserved to go. I was on team Bert, but unless he gets some restorative sleep (not likely) I know it’s only going to get worse. If he was a woman, I’d say he needs some estrogen stat. I don’t know what the male equivalent would be. I’m the same age as he, and I want to like him, but he lost me.

      • http://profiles.google.com/denise.alden Denise Alden

        Even though he’s not a woman, some “estrogen STAT” still sounds like a great idea!  Or maybe the ‘love’ hormone pitocin?

    • Anonymous

      Y’know Kim Kardashian may have not been much of a judge but I did love her analogy of this being akin to the curtain outfits from the Sound of Music

      And as a big of a pain as Bert was, I think it was valid to correct him also on the difference between Elizabethian and Victorian bodices. They are very different. You do need to know that stuff when defending your garment

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

      I kept waiting for Bert to act like an adult.  When I saw the fabric they were using for the top I thought “Wait, that looks just like the comforter I picked up from Goodwill for my doggies to sleep on.” I wonder if their keeping the Queen on because she’s capable of as much drama as the kids half her age. 

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      It’s true that the edit leaves us not much to go on about “who started it.” My sense of Bert bitching re. the Victorian/Elizabethan/etc. discussion was that Viktor was explaining the look to the model without asking Bert for input. Bert was talking about the design as if the only thing he had to go on was Viktor’s words. In that case, passive-aggressive is the key term, because Bert insisted on a fabric that fit what he perceived to be Viktor’s explanation of the design.
      Of course, if Bert actually had done some sketching already on the dress, this interpretation doesn’t work and he is just sniping pointlessly. Neither of them came off at all well and Bert is sure not modeling those famous people skills and teamwork a professional is supposed to need.
      I was one who liked the dress OK. They did not use burlap as Bottega Veneta did, but the giant print “read” well from the ground, I thought. It was costumey but in a ballgown way–not a ballgown for a real ball, of course, but for a fantasy ball. 

    • Anonymous

      Victor made a huge and foolish mistake by saying openly infront of everyone that he did not want to work with Bert (a challenge winner, no less). Bert was equally foolish to hold the comment against his team mate. They both were talking “costume” from the go get, so who is to say whose fault the design was. I say equal parts on both.
      I have to wonder how Bert would have done had he been paired with Fallene. He seemed to take a fatherly offense at the way Bryce
      treated her. So Bert / Fallene and Viktor/Bryce, I wonder how that would have played out.

      • Toni Mitt

        I’m with you, SS.  I think they were both responsible for that disaster of an outfit.  It deserved to be on the bottom for sure.  Bless that stilt-walker’s heart, as she tried to rock it.  It’ll be interesting to see if Bert’s demeaner improves any…Viktor’s too. 
        BTW–I’ve been using “Jesus Christ on a breadstick” in my conversations lately…I may have to repalce that with “shit on stilts”.  Thanks for that, TLo!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCJEZMOV4VYMXC5WJALLZNYEB4 Mari Rose

      From the second I saw him, I knew Bert was going to be Vincent 2.0. So far, I’ve seen little to nothing to disprove my thesis.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kimberly-Burke/100002384493067 Kimberly Burke

      I have not been very tolerant of Viktor……until I watched this episode.  I still don’t particularly care for him, but to me, it also appeared like he did just about everything in his power to make this work.  Bert self-righteous, holy then thou, shadiness is just all bad.  “Queen Bitch”?  And so it shall be…..

    • vmcdanie

      As usual you are right (also, man I miss Julia Sugarbaker. RIP, Dixie.) I watched those fights thinking I can’t make heads or tails of this. Maybe they are both douchebags but if there is one thing I HATE in this world, it’s the passive-aggressive mumbled correction. That combined with last week and I am done with Bert. If you are going to be cranky, you should at least be funny.  Who did you notice made a comment to the model, “Now, this isn’t a COSTUME, ok?” He’s really got something up his ass about that.  

    • Anonymous

      Very much like draperies, in a Bob Mackie “Went With The Wind” way.

      • Anonymous

        Truly. Even better if they’d put a curtain rod across her hips.

    • http://twitter.com/jennawaterford Jenna Waterford

      I get the sense that Bert really pissed everyone off in the last challenge by being too cool for the challenge and kind of rubbing it in that he was making a shit dress he wasn’t going to face any consequences for, and that resulted in Viktor’s bad behavior when he learned they were paired-off. So while Viktor acted badly at the outset, I’m with TLo in thinking Bert’s behavior was just over-the-top bitchy-for-bitchinesses’ sake. This kind of bad start can be overcome if both sides try (see last season with Mondo and Michael), but Bert was too busy being a know-it-all and expressing his umbrage and trying for the 2nd week to throw crap at the runway and get away with it.

      Get over yourself, or go home!

      • Anonymous

        I bet it won’t be long. This is the third challenge (out of 3) that Bert has shown very dated ideas that come across in his designs, styling and selection of fabric. He’s just not that good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

      I have to side with Bert in this one.  Viktor publicly lamented being teamed with Bert.  Why?  Yes, Bert punted last week, and that was bad judgment, but he made something wonderful in the first challenge.  You know he has skills and lots of experience.  Put a smile on your face and make  nice.  I bet if he had gone into it with a good attitude, Bert would have been nicer.  It was almost as if Viktor was trying to be cool in front of the other kids, scoffing at the stuffy old queen.  This put Bert on the defensive, and he felt like he had to prove he was a formidable person.  Not exactly mature behavior from either one, but Bert wasn’t going to take any crap from that point  onward.  I hope he makes something great next week.

      I think the problem with the fabric is that each of them picked one, and then each made one piece, without thought to how they would go together.  The result looks very fractured.  I think something Elizabethan could have been made out of the brocade if they had gone with that idea, instead of copping to a very curtain-y looking bottom. 

      • Anonymous

        Bert didn’t just punt, he was straight up contemptuous of the idea. It’s PR you don’t sign up if you’re not willing to make a dress out of chew toys and bailing wire.

        I don’t know, me, I read Viktors reaction as “fuck I have to make a circus costume with the guy that refuses to make circus costumes”.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NRE5B7F3R7PDYJF4WKSBFHMLEM Victor Monroy

        The extra footage from Episode 2 shows that Bert has been acting mean to
        the other designers and most of them in fact don’t like him. One of the
        girls (I think it was Danielle?) said she was called a “stupid idiot”
        by him and they haven’t exchanged a word since then. I think Viktor’s
        original reaction came from Bert’s rude attitude and comments, I don’t
        think he was trying to “be cool in front of the other kids”.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

          Regardless, you don’t make a big production of being so vocally disappointed in front of everyone, including the judges.  Viktor really shot himself in the foot with that, b/c Heidi actually SAW him being a bitch first.  Pretty stupid if you want a leg to stand on later, no?  So Viktor WAS showing off for the cool kids, and it bit him in the ass. 

          • Anonymous

            I don’t really see a single comment that he only made because he was prompted by Heidi as a big production though.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NRE5B7F3R7PDYJF4WKSBFHMLEM Victor Monroy

        The extra footage from Episode 2 shows that Bert has been acting mean to
        the other designers and most of them in fact don’t like him. One of the
        girls (I think it was Danielle?) said she was called a “stupid idiot”
        by him and they haven’t exchanged a word since then. I think Viktor’s
        original reaction came from Bert’s rude attitude and comments, I don’t
        think he was trying to “be cool in front of the other kids”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1920146 Angela Skeggs Hardi

      I thought Bert’s nitpickiness about Victorian versus Elizabethan, etc. was very
      annoying, but I found myself wanting to reach through the screen and slap Kim
      Kardashian when she talked about how their dress was like something from the
      Sound of Music…from Marie Antoinette. I think she was trying to remember
      Maria’s name from the Sound of Music, but it got stuck in her brain. Now there’s
      an example of someone seriously confused about history!

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I thought she was trying to mix it, like, “It looks like The Sound of Music, if it was done with Marie Antoinette instead of Maria.”  But now that you mention it, er… yeah.  She might well have thought that Marie Antoinette was twirling around in the Alps on her way to vespers.

        • http://naturallyeducational.com/ CandaceApril

          I heard it the way you did. I’m no KK fan but I think she actually made sense here.

          • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

            And neither Marie Antoinette nor Maria VonTrapp lived during the Elizabethan or Victorian eras.

            • http://naturallyeducational.com/ CandaceApril

               But KK had no idea that they were going for Elizabethan or Victorian…The brocade did have a certain Baroque or Rococo quality to it. So, I think Sound of Music (outfits out of curtains) but with Marie Antoinette is a fairly accurate description, especially considering the source.

            • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

              Yeah, what I meant to say was that the resulting “fashion” was an utter failure at all things Viktor and/or Bert incorrectly/correctly referenced as Elizabethan or Victorian or whatever.

              When dimwit Kim mentions curtains and Marie Antoinette and hits the nail on the head, it’s because for all their combined creativity and ideas and talent (and fashion history knowledge, for Bert anyway), they created a Halloween costume for Court Wench (with freakishly long legs) out of drape fabric.

            • http://naturallyeducational.com/ CandaceApril

              Agreed…Although I do think they changed the original design (I think Viktor was originally referencing a collar when Bert corrected his “Victorian” terminology) , the result is, as you say, vague “period” costume for a RenFaire or Halloween or a local theater troupe with a low budget.

            • http://naturallyeducational.com/ CandaceApril

              Agreed…Although I do think they changed the original design (I think Viktor was originally referencing a collar when Bert corrected his “Victorian” terminology) , the result is, as you say, vague “period” costume for a RenFaire or Halloween or a local theater troupe with a low budget.

      • http://profiles.google.com/drunkenhousewife Drunken Housewife

        I cannot believe I am defending Kim Kardashian, but there’s a scene in “The Sound of Music” where Maria, just after becoming governess to the Von Trapp children, takes curtains and sews them all play clothes because their uptight military father had them all in formal clothes they weren’t allowed to get dirty.  This is actually a better curtains-as-crappy-clothes reference than “Gone With The WInd” because Scarlett had beautiful green velvet which made a gorgeous, luxurious dress unrecognizable as a former curtain, whereas the von Trapp kids looked like crap in their curtain fabric playsuits.  

    • Anonymous

      Come on, you guys. Reading these comments so far, I’ve learned that Bert’s feelings were hurt, his bitchiness is a defense mechanism, he’s responding to the tone that Victor created, he’s struggling under the social strain involved when competing with younger people, and that it’s all just part of where he is in his sobriety.

      Now I’m not saying that none of this is possible. Every one of these things is entirely plausible. It’s just that I don’t remember any of this happening when Kenley was getting on our nerves or when Emilio started being obnoxious. Gretchen seemed to earn the commenters’ ire after only two episodes and just yesterday Bryce was raked across the coals after just one episode of nastiness (after which he apologized profusely). If this were anyone other than Bert, I wouldn’t be seeing nearly as many excuses. Ageism doesn’t just work one way, you guys. Why not treat Bert like everyone else? I know you wanted to root for a cool older queen, but I don’t think that’s what Bert is.

      • http://twitter.com/marignygirl Marigny Girl

        Well I would say that the biggest difference  between Kenley or Emilio in this situation is that  Kenley and Emilio were  bitchy and dismissive to TIM GUNN.  I think if Bert were to ever treat Tim in that manner, he’d be treated EXACTLY like Kenley and Emilio.  Bert slapped Viktor’s ears back AFTER  Viktor was snide and snotty to him. I don’t think it has anything to do with his age or his sobriety, Viktor got a taste of his own medicine … a big taste. 

    • Anonymous

      I don’t care who was worse, I just really hated both of them in this episode.
      The only guys I like in this episode are “britishamericanblondefashionasian” and “IHADCANCERGUYS WHOCARESIFITSARIPOFF”

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I have to admit, I was watching Olivier and Anya and thinking, “These two are the sanest human beings in a ten block radius!”  Just sort of, “What do you do?  Okay, I do this, maybe we can get something that we can do and reflects both…”  You know, like working on a team project or something.

        And A.R. (who’s in desperate need of a clever nickname) totally got me with that southern chivalry bit saying that he wanted Blenley to have the win.

    • BuffaloBarbara

      I kind of agreed that Viktor should have known Victorian from Elizabethan–or, if it was a brain fart, that he should have just rolled his eyes and said, “Oops, that’s what I meant” rather than complaining about Bert being a know-it-all.  I tend to think that people who want to do something for a profession should be interested enough in it to want to do the reading, and it should pretty much be at hand, the way writers know first person from third person, and third limited from omniscient, without needing a consult every time.

      On the other hand, keeping (Queen) mum is sometimes the better part of valor.  Bert!  Really!  Viktor was definitely pissy when he got assigned, and whiny, but… but… BERT!  REALLY!

      I guess maybe we all should have clued in when he said his nephews call him “Uncle Tightass”…

    • http://blue-again.myopenid.com/ blue

      I was startled by how Heidi didn’t believe Viktor and thought Bert was a saint. I think she thinks he’s grandfatherly and automatically thinks well of him.

      • Lies L.

        I agree. The judges were almost unbelievably harsh on Viktor and lenient toward Bert. 

      • Anonymous

        I agree, but on the other hand, Heidi was there for the pairings and saw Viktor’s reaction to being teamed up with Bert. I’m sure that didn’t sit well with her.

        • http://blue-again.myopenid.com/ blue

          Ah. Good point.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i think she sees more of what is actually happening than we get in a one hour show.

    • Anonymous

      The editing was waaaaay too heavy there. I’m so used to reality shows that, now, I’m automatically drawn to the underdogs when they are portrayed like mean people and you can almost smell there is more to it than what is shown.
      So, yes, Bert was shown more defensive and dismissive and bitchy than Victor.
      I still think there is more to it than what we see.
      The bitchiness seems very defensive to me, like a reaction to something else. So, maybe some events did trigger Bert’s current behavior. Or maybe he really is the cranky bitch he seems to be on TV. I don’t know but I don’t give up on him.
      As for Victor, he seemed to me more like playing the victim than trying to mend things. He began throwing some big words, flapping his arms, demanding attention like he’s so young and innovative and inspired and his knowledge, oh, his knowledge is soooo vast. Yes Bert was digging every mistake and rubbing Victor’s nose on it. I know I do exactly that with people who are always bragging about how smart and perfect they are and looking at other dismissively and trying to push them out of the way. So when they make a mistake, I just do that : rub their nose on it. “see ? you’re not perfect so don’t be mean to other people, it will get back at you”.
      So I think editing and I think Victor is a prick but I may very well be wrong and when I will be convinced that Bert is a useless old mean thing, I will be so mad at him. Grrr.
      Oh, and the outfit had some basic good idea in the dramatic range but the result was a disaster, reflection of a very, very bad team relationship.

    • Anonymous

      Assholes are real. Bert = proof.

    • Anonymous

      Bert’s been around the block a few times, does not suffer fools gladly and is more than a bit of a curmudgeon. He also does not play well with others and you have to wonder what possessed him to want to be on a reality show in the first place. Bert wants to do what he wants to do and that’s not the way it works in the bizarro world of Project Runway. I think Bert got the “nice guy” edit in the first show just to set him so he can be the “Wicked Queen” now and we can all boo and hiss. Those producers love their villains because it makes for good trashy TV. That said, Victor did not cover himself with much glory either and there’s blame enough to go around. They were both infantile and irritating to watch.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        you have to wonder what possessed him to want to be on a reality show in the first place.

        My guess?  Wants to get far enough to at least have a decoy at the show, so he can invite people to see that he’s back.

        • Anonymous

          That may well be. But if he starts getting a reputation for being “difficult,” it’s not going to help his cause.

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          i agree w/ you. i also see a problem that he’s missing.
          he may be back, but the people to whom he has to prove he’s somebody didnt know he was ever there in the first place. they barely know that the people he worked for, some of whom are amazing {halston, holly harp, etc & ect} were ever there. in order to work in the business, he’s gonna have to impress people a whole lot younger than he is–even heidi is young enough to be his daughter! & she’s not precisely young–& he’s gonna have trouble w/ that, probably even if he wins PR.

          • http://palimpsest.typepad.com/frogsandravens Rana

            That’s a good point.  If he can’t get along with the people in the workroom, he’s going to have difficulty selling things to their generation – or even their parents’.  And the generation he designed for has moved on, or is a diminishing demographic – not who you want to court if you’re trying to revitalize your career.

    • Anonymous

      So I’ll admit…I actually liked the skirt fabric (the top fabric was curtain, to be sure).  I’m a sucker for those iridescents–they look so pretty when they move.  Of course, it didn’t remotely go with the top, and was much more muted, so it came off looking ‘sad’ when another top fabric might have given a different look.

      I was really irked that the judges automatically assumed that Viktor was a huge liar…reverse ageism?  Bert was a raging control-bitch then tried to act like it wasn’t his idea.  Who knew?  There’s an older gay male Gretchen.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not quite sure passive-aggressive is capturing this pair, especially in explaining whatever it was that made Bert SO relentless.  I wonder what disorder in the DSMV is the equivalent to “tight ass”?

    • Anonymous

      I feel like the parent whose kids misbehave and then want me to declare who is at fault.  BOTH of them are at fault.   Both behaved ridiculously.    Viktor at least accepted some responsibility for the design, but Bert didn’t even admit to choosing the awful fabric for the top.  In fact, in the workroom it seemed that Bert was deliberately setting up Viktor to take the fall.   Who knows?  I’m not going to try to figure it out or make excuses for either one of them or try to speculate about what was not shown.  But, as with children, the older and supposedly more mature one bears more of the responsibility for making the situation better.

      I do note in the videos on Lifetime both Bryce and Viktor show remorse for their behavior, but there wasn’t a similar clip from Bert.  

      I hope both of them show better behavior from now on.  I was hoping for an “I’m sorry I was a dick” moment between them as between Mondo and Costello, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    • Anonymous

      I feel like the parent whose kids misbehave and then want me to declare who is at fault.  BOTH of them are at fault.   Both behaved ridiculously.    Viktor at least accepted some responsibility for the design, but Bert didn’t even admit to choosing the awful fabric for the top.  In fact, in the workroom it seemed that Bert was deliberately setting up Viktor to take the fall.   Who knows?  I’m not going to try to figure it out or make excuses for either one of them or try to speculate about what was not shown.  But, as with children, the older and supposedly more mature one bears more of the responsibility for making the situation better.

      I do note in the videos on Lifetime both Bryce and Viktor show remorse for their behavior, but there wasn’t a similar clip from Bert.  

      I hope both of them show better behavior from now on.  I was hoping for an “I’m sorry I was a dick” moment between them as between Mondo and Costello, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    • Anonymous

      I feel like the parent whose kids misbehave and then want me to declare who is at fault.  BOTH of them are at fault.   Both behaved ridiculously.    Viktor at least accepted some responsibility for the design, but Bert didn’t even admit to choosing the awful fabric for the top.  In fact, in the workroom it seemed that Bert was deliberately setting up Viktor to take the fall.   Who knows?  I’m not going to try to figure it out or make excuses for either one of them or try to speculate about what was not shown.  But, as with children, the older and supposedly more mature one bears more of the responsibility for making the situation better.

      I do note in the videos on Lifetime both Bryce and Viktor show remorse for their behavior, but there wasn’t a similar clip from Bert.  

      I hope both of them show better behavior from now on.  I was hoping for an “I’m sorry I was a dick” moment between them as between Mondo and Costello, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    • scottyf

      Dear Love Wattle

      I’m going to lose the respect of most of the cool kids on the playground…

      But I’m sticking by you.

      I’ve seen enough episodes of Oprah to know that you can’t change anyone.

      I went into this relationship knowing that your nephews call you Uncle Tightass. And T&Lo had it right on the money in one of their first posts about you when they said you would get “very cranky, very quickly.”

      I was charmed by your behavior in the first episode, but I knew that it was simply one side of your personality. Like myself, and others out there in the T&Lo commentariat: you are an old Diva. You are a diamond precisely because you were a lump of coal shaped over time by pressure into the person that you are: bitchiness, vulnerability, asshole, prince and all.

      You watched placidly as Viktor called you “immature” for the one billionth time as he flounced huffily out of the room. Like Danielle and her “empowerment” schtick, I question anyone who has to mention any quality a hundred times in order to own it. You smellt it, you dealt it.

      I agree with others when they condemn Viktor’s sophmoric and egotistic attempts to show his knowledge by incorrectly citing certain historical periods of dress. How can you successfully reference something if you can’t distinguish it from something else? That is design idiocy.

      That said my love, I think your dismissive and condescending behaior is fucking unconscionable. You are old enough to know how that feels. And how putting that kind of energy into the air literally poisons it. Nothing else you do makes me raise an eyebrow. THAT behavior makes me want to slap you so damn hard that your wattle comes off.

      But I won’t use violence. Instead, I’ll appeal to the sweet man who misses his dog: don’t let fear and stress rule your decision-making and behavior.

      I never thought you were an angel, so I don’t need to have an about face about rooting for you. You’re smart enough to know that public allegiance to reality show participants is as fleeting as Lindsay Lohan’s sobriety.

      Let the other kids stop sharing their Oreos with you. You can still have my cookies.

      Just don’t fuck with my heart. Remember: I’m an old Queen too. I’ll cut yo’ ass.

      xoxoxoxo

      • Anonymous

        Sigh.  Just don’t forget the prenup, okay?

      • Toni Mitt

        *sniff*  Scotty that was beautiful. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJMQEBSJRUNQHEEWTXI5BCS6HI D J

        Something tells me you enjoy the abuse and wouldn’t want this relationship any other way…

        • scottyf

          Wow.

          Not sure what I wrote to provoke that response. But I hope getting it off your chest helped.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJMQEBSJRUNQHEEWTXI5BCS6HI D J

            Whoops! I was meaning it to be funny! Sorry if it was taken the wrong way! My husband just pointed it out and now I feel terrible. I just meant it as some people like being in these tough relationships. I’m really sorry!

            • scottyf

              LOL

              No apology necessary! I just thought I was pissing the hell out of you!

              *puts back on his leather chaps and bikers cap, and gets his whip ready for Bert*

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

              Oh my stars, Scottyf!  Thinking of you in leather chaps has just sent me into a fit of the vapors….bitchybitchybitchy fanning herself on the divan….

            • http://profiles.google.com/drunkenhousewife Drunken Housewife

              It started to give me the vapours, too, until I got to the end of the sentence:  “ready for Bert.”  As one who has been on the wielding edge of a whip, I have to say I think Bert would be a whiny, controlling, “top-from-the-bottom” masochist.  I imagine Scotty looking manly and powerful in his leathers, and Bert rolling his eyes and insisting that the music in the dungeon get changed or that Scotty use the other flogger, “the one that’s less sting-y” or bitching that Scotty doesn’t use the right terminology.  “That’s a flogger, not a whip.”

            • scottyf

              I hope sushi and tsume sauce come out of linen pants, because I spewed them all over my lap upon reading your post!

              You and Bonnie are waaaayyyy too kind regarding my appearance in leather. I’m blushing (which is difficult to see on a man of my complexion). But it made my week anyway :)

              I think you’re probably right about Bert’s attitude during our play time. But that’s why old Queens should be together. I’ll just turn to him, and in my best Katharine Hepburn as Ethel Thayer from On Golden Pond say: “Don’t be such an Old Poop”, and get out the cat o’ nine tails.

            • Anonymous

              Ooh, you two have a great start to a deliciously naughty (and fabulously witty) novella, “The Bawdy Adventures of Middle-Aged Queens.”  I can almost see Alec Baldwin in a sandy-colored wig as Bert for the film version…

            • Anonymous

              Finally catching up after being out of town for this episode, after viewing and reading as many comments as I can, I realize that I’m possibly married to a straight version of Bert (without the addiction history), God help me. Appreciate the shoutout to On Golden Pond. Perhaps changing my current “Who the fuck is cranky?” to “Don’t be such an Old Poop!” will work better for me.  Gotta love Katharine Hepburn!

              Scottyf, we can always count on you for sane and thoughtful, funny and bitchy. Thanks from a middle-aged dame.

      • Anonymous

        Dear Scotty -

        It’s nice that you’re standing by your man through thick and thin. But ask Bert to leave his bitchpants home for the next episode please.

        Kthxbye

        Stu

    • sonictofu

      I agree with you guys; at least the way it was edited, it seemed that Bert was more responsible for the downfall of this team.  I felt that Viktor had every right to walk out of the workroom for a moment after being insulted – it was more mature than the yelling match that could have ensued.  I hope they both eventually get to tell their side in a TLo interview!  But I understand Viktor’s choice to not be steamrolled into going along with Bert’s ideas.  The pseudo-corset is especially heinous – where is the structure?

    • Anonymous

      I cannot remember another season where someone I liked so much in the first episode had such a rapid descent to earn my ire.  I’m also officially over Bert.

    • Anonymous

      I have to say that although I’m disappointed at Bert turning out to be an equally immature bitch, I’m not altogether surprised.  He says he’s been sober for 3 years.  Well, there’s a saying in 12-step programs that when you start abusing drugs/alcohol, you stop growing emotionally; so Bert is, emotionally, acting like a young man + 3 years of sobriety, not a man his age.  That’s not excusing his behavior, just a small attempt at understanding.  But I bet he’s going to get a MASSIVE reaming from his sponsor when he gets home — and deservedly so!

      Who chose the skirt fabric?  I know Bert insisted on the bodice fabric, but as for the skirt, I can’t recall whether we were ever shown who had chosen that. While I admit that I liked the bodice fabric — in a totally different setting, as upholstery or curtains — there was just NO excuse for the skirt fabric.  Well, actually, for either.  And there was NO excuse for the behavior of either of them. from Victor’s publicly dissing being chosen to work with Bert to Bert’s throwing Victor under the bus.  A truly sad display from both of them.  Although I’m sure the producers were thrilled, since they persist in thinking we’re more interested in DRAMA than in actual good fashion.  Blergh. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Well, he admitted to having the nickname “Uncle Tightass.” Given his age, his nephews are probably old enough to actually recognize his behavior and call it accurately.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=661256074 Mars Tokyo

      From what they showed in the workroom, it looked like Bert did the whole thing and Victor just stood around grousing about it. I know Bert picked out the brocade they all hated. Maybe Victor picked out the skirt fabric–overall I think the creation was Bert’s and he should take responsibility for it. But I’m glad they auffed Fallene, she couldn’t do anything.

    • Anonymous

      Side note to Viktor : Despite your misguided hopes, that outfit does not make you look like Darren Criss in his Warbler jacket. You look like David Sedaris in a LIttle Lord Fauntleroy costume. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T53WBEPGJZ7MMMZC4O563YU5HA Observer

      Bitch and bitchette simply fullfill roles of the gay sterotypes of fag, queen.etc.; it’s too bad that it was televised.  Of course probably most the viewers know this type and shrugged it off; in the end they only hurt themselves for their lack of cooperation.  You can look at that dress and see that.  It  would not  have been any better without stilts.

    • Anique Ashraf

       Urgh, Heidi is too much in love with Bert and Bert is a huge bitch. That was the ONLY reason Victor was in the bottom two. I think Bert got too much praise too early. He’s like, uber-Gretchen. His head has grown SO DAMN BIG!

      • http://palimpsest.typepad.com/frogsandravens Rana

        Maybe that’s why Heidi likes him?

    • http://twitter.com/algaechick Crystal

      The skirt fabric-anyone remember Hypercolor? That’s all I can see.

      • http://www.facebook.com/CatherineKatz Catherine Katz

        I have a Hypercolor shirt that still works.  And, I have a shirt made of that same fabric circa 1990.  Yes, I admit it.

    • Anonymous

      I saw the extended judging and they actually hated the skirt fabric (and the skirt itself) even more.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed.  Being of (ahem) a more mature age, it embarrasses me when my peers behave like jackasses without due provocation and like you said, mild historical ignorance doesn’t constitute just cause.  No wonder the over 50 set has a hard time getting hired.  Bert was in charge of selecting that floral upholstery print (stuck in 80′s Scaasi no doubt) against the protests of Viktor that it was too dated.  To not own that blunder was inexcusable.    

    • Anonymous

      In the end, I don’t really care if people work well with each other. It’s an intense, not-realistic-in-the-real-world time frame and challenge so I understand there will be tensions and fights, and quite often find them delicious. I care more about what people produce on the show than if they make nicey-nice with everyone, but…Bert hasn’t really produced shit yet. His first dress was fine, a little 90′s but won because so much else was vomitclown pink ice cream flannel ass. His Jem “Date with Rio” dress last week pushed him back another decade into the 80′s, and not in a good way. This week…gah. I hold them both equally responsible for their output, because it’s unclear exactly who decided on what and either of them should have known this was NOT OK, but at least Victor has made a somewhat modern-looking shirt dress and (what I thought was) a hot party dress out of pee pads. And I’m not saying Bert is dated as an ageist thing. Plenty of people in the design industry are older, experienced and have impeccable, current taste. Bert is free to prove me wrong but I’m not holding my breath. As much as I dislike him as a personality, I could at least respect him if he put the goods where his mouth is.

    • Anonymous

      I just don’t understand the fabric choices. The top is all, “Lo, I am a bustye wenche from the Renaissance Faire,” and the bottom is all “Hey, these curtains change color, dude.” They don’t match. They’re not complementary, even. Why are these people calling themselves “designers”?!?

      • Anonymous

        I know! Did they not check with each other? I cannot understand why they bought those two fabrics or even thought they’d work together.

        What a clusterfuck.

      • Anonymous

        I know! Did they not check with each other? I cannot understand why they bought those two fabrics or even thought they’d work together.

        What a clusterfuck.

    • Anonymous

      The bitchiness looked about 50/50 to me. They both sucked, but Viktor was ignorant on top if it, so I guess I’d have to side with Bert. Style-wise, “Victorian” and “Mae West” were what was coming out of Viktor’s mouth, so I’m willing to lay it on him. We never heard what Bert had in mind.

    • Anonymous

      Not thrilled with either of them, but Bert managed to be a bit more obnoxious than Viktor.  (Not a distinction to be proud of!)  Seems like the laughably ugly design was mostly Viktor’s, but Bert went right along with it without batting an eye.  I think he was counting on the judges faulting Viktor for the look, and he would be safe.  But keeping quiet and going along with the whole “sexy Queen Victoria” (does that qualify as an oxymoron?) look was even shittier than coming up with it, in my book.

      I suspect Bert is on the way down.  “Not making friends” is one thing, but being insufferable is quite another.

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      I’d have to go back and watch the episode again but I think they were both wrong with the whole Victorian/Elizabethan thing.  Viktor seemed to be describing a corset/bodice where the top is in line with the nipples and the breasts are pushed up.  He was incorrect to describe it as Victorian but Bert leapt down his throat with the whole Elizabethan put down before ever actually listening to what Viktor was trying to describe.

      I’m not a costumier or an expert in historical clothing by any means but I was an actress and played a fair few ‘busty wenches’ from many historical periods.  I’ve worn underbusts, overbusts and cinchers – you name it – I’ve had those laces tightened!  From what I know of Elizabethan corsetry the bodice is actually designed to push the breasts down and flat.  The top of the corset is often slightly curved (so that the centre is higher than the edges) and definitely covers the cleavage.

      I think Viktor probably meant something a little more Restoration, think Nell Gwynn or Alex Kingston as Moll Flanders.

      Using ‘Victorian’ as a description for fashion isn’t particularly specific anyway; the woman was Queen from 1837 to 1901 and there were an awful lot of changes during that period!

    • Eclectic Mayhem

      I’d have to go back and watch the episode again but I think they were both wrong with the whole Victorian/Elizabethan thing.  Viktor seemed to be describing a corset/bodice where the top is in line with the nipples and the breasts are pushed up.  He was incorrect to describe it as Victorian but Bert leapt down his throat with the whole Elizabethan put down before ever actually listening to what Viktor was trying to describe.

      I’m not a costumier or an expert in historical clothing by any means but I was an actress and played a fair few ‘busty wenches’ from many historical periods.  I’ve worn underbusts, overbusts and cinchers – you name it – I’ve had those laces tightened!  From what I know of Elizabethan corsetry the bodice is actually designed to push the breasts down and flat.  The top of the corset is often slightly curved (so that the centre is higher than the edges) and definitely covers the cleavage.

      I think Viktor probably meant something a little more Restoration, think Nell Gwynn or Alex Kingston as Moll Flanders.

      Using ‘Victorian’ as a description for fashion isn’t particularly specific anyway; the woman was Queen from 1837 to 1901 and there were an awful lot of changes during that period!

      • http://naturallyeducational.com/ CandaceApril

        It looked like Viktor was describing a collar at the time … Most likely Bert was right but was a jerk about it…hard to tell since no sketch was shown (or made, allegedly).

        • Eclectic Mayhem

          Ah yes, you’re right.  Any kind of ruff would pretty much mean Elizabethan.  Curse my crappy memory!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T53WBEPGJZ7MMMZC4O563YU5HA Observer

        I love what you said about the “Victorian period”.  For the hell of it I checked out the changes in fashion in Wikipedia and you’re right on target. It is only a catchall for the styles of that era, 1841 or 1898 you’re still safe saying “Oh, it’s Victorian”.

        • Eclectic Mayhem

          I have a fabulous book by Doris Langley Moore with incredible photographic plates of dresses – worn by the likes of Vivien Leigh, Beatrice Lillie, various ballet dancers and both Vanessa and Lynn Redgrave as young girls – from the 1700 and 1800s.  

          The changes in sleeves, where the waist falls, neckline and hem length can be quite dramatic in a short space of time can’t they?!

    • Anonymous

      Poorly constructed Ren Faire costume. And it was 90% Bert’s fault. Viktor’s contribution was to not shut Bert down and make whichever half of the garment he wanted to and let Bert own the other half.

    • Anonymous

      Viktor would have had me over the edge in two seconds flat. Stop insisting upon referencing famous eras and people and their styles when you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. So yes, Bert is pretty much a hiddy little bitch, but I’m with him on this one. I couldn’t tell what in the heck Viktor wanted.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, it was hard to tell WTF was going on with them.  Wouldn’t want to be around *either* of them.  And Bert really blew all the goodwill capital, didn’t he. Doesn’t really matter, the result was shitastic!  I’m ready for “make a pretty dress” just to find out if the remaining contestants can.  There seems to be a lot of “I’m smarter, more experienced, got more book learnin’” going on so far, isn’t there.

    • http://profiles.google.com/phyllis.craine Phyllis Craine

      Word

    • http://naturallyeducational.com/ CandaceApril

      Even with the editing, Viktor was definitely being a jerk. He huffs and puffs and sashays out to talk about Bert behind his back and when Viktor walks back in, his opening is to call his partner Bertzilla.

      But who was the bigger jerk? Not a clue. Hopefully that little drama is done with and they’ll do better work next week.

    • Anonymous

      I usually agree, but here cannot. Was the outfit hideous? Yes. Was it disagreeable watching the two of them? Yes. But I am sick to death of self-important, self-aggrandizing, all-knowing little snots who don’t know their a** from their elbow, and are so self-righteous when corrected after making patently wrong statements. If you, Viktor, are so special, live up to it! Know your s**t and don’t blame someone else for knowing. Bert was no picnic either, but there does not need to a winner or loser; they both were obnoxious.

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        Yeah, I didn’t care that he used the wrong term — but I hated the way he was so dismissive of the correction, as if it didn’t matter how much misunderstanding his words caused.  I mean, honestly — what is so hard about, “Oh, sorry… Elizabethan then.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2FXYZIJCBOTXXYBFGMESVTCVWM bradybutkus

      Thank you, KittyKnits.  Perfectly said.  “bitchypants”is what I shall call Bert

    • Anonymous

      She’s so swishy in her satin and tat
      In her frock coat and bipperty-bopperty hat -
      Oh God, I could do better than that!

    • Anonymous

      I think a lot of the male designers have a superiority complex this season, and it was hilarious to see two of the largest egotists clashing like that. Good entertainment all around.

      As for Bert… it’s sad to say that I’ve known many substance-dependents in my time & the majority of them seem to not want to take responsibility for things. It’s part of an abuser’s character traits (either learned or ingrained). At least, that’s what I’ve learned. Bert just might be exhibit a.

    • Anonymous

      I agree about the editing so no one’s going to know what really happened.  My guess is that Bert being an ass is now his main theme, and Viktor being an ass is not his main theme so it is being heavily edited in that direction.  Was Bert a passive-aggressive bitch?  Absolutely.  Was Viktor a passive aggressive bitch?  Absolutely.  Which one was actually bitchier?  Who knows, and frankly who cares.  Neither one comes off as someone to root for.  Bert tried to Viktor under the bus (I thought Heidi got that a little backwards but she saw all of the runway discussion and we didn’t), and Viktor lied at least once up on the runway.  

      The problem with focusing on the drama is that almost everyone ends up being unlikeable.  With no one to root for, PR is just not that fun to watch.  Yeah, yeah, I know the partly line is that most people tune in for the drama, but I truly don’t. Focusing on people being assholes is not that entertaining to me.  Given how fast they’ve notched it up this season (Josh is also turning up the volume to full-blown jerk) I get the feeling I may abandon the show partway through the season.  I hope I’m wrong.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=718893973 Cheryl Wingate

      I have a dog bed with almost the exact same pattern and colors of the bodice!

    • Anonymous

      She’s so swishy in her satin and tat
      In her frock coat and bipperty-bopperty hat
      Oh God, I could do better than that!

    • http://twitter.com/MandySCG MandyJane

      I was disappointed in Bert. I hope he’s not really that bitchy!

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      And the refusal to sketch thing bugs me.  I can’t draw to save my life, but so what?  If I’m working with someone, I make a shitty sketch to show them what I mean so they can at least get the idea.  To say, “You sketch it because you sketch better.” is stupid when you’re trying to decide on concepts.  It’s not like the sketches come in for judging.

    • Anonymous

      “Pure shit on stilts.”  I think that’s going to come in handy as the season goes on.
      Totally with you, btw: yes, it’s edited, so we don’t really know, but what we saw was Bert Behaving Badly.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, I think I will incorporate “Pure shit on stilts” into my insulting description vocabulary.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

          How about “Pure Elizabethan shit on stilts”?!!

    • Anonymous

      Whoa.  “Elizabethan” may have been a mostly British style, which reached most of Europe – including Spain…but “Victorian” was definitely a style that had far reaching effects from Europe to Asia to North America.  Neither is “pretty specific references to one island nation”.  They are distinctive eras for the world…and if someone doesn’t know that simply because their culture was different…well, that’s what education is for.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not 100% sure what your point is here but I will say that both “Elizabethan” and “Victorian” are period references to British Monarchs.  Quenn Elizabeth the First in the 15th Century and Queen Victoria in the 19th Century.  They are actually very specific to English Queens.  The main differnece is that in the Elizabethan era, the English influenced world was much smaller, the North American continent was in the very, very early stages of exploration by Europeans as was the Far East and Asian regions.  By the Victorian Era, North America was very settled and occupid by millions of European descent in established independent countries that were in close contact and communication with England so the “Victorian” style was heavliy traveled and influenced around the world.  But make no mistake, it was an English style and era.

        • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

          Saying that Victorian was an English style is like saying the mod look that came out of London was an English style. 

          It’s in reference to an earlier post from someone who argued that Victor doesn’t seem to be Northern European and so may have been unfamiliar with the terms because they’re British terms. 

      • Anonymous

        Well, to be fair, in one sense, they are pretty specific references to one island nation. “Elizabethan” fashions didn’t reach most of Europe – Continental European fashion, especially Spanish and French fashion, reached England. There was little specifically English about “Elizabethan” fashion (though, fashions in England were distinct, just as French, Italian, Spanish, Netherlandish, German, etc. fashions were distinct). Similarly, the epicentre of European fashion during the Victorian era was not Britain, but France, though Britain had a far greater influence on the general trends of fashion even somewhat before the Victorian era than it had in the Elizabethan period (e.g. the influence of Beau Brummell on men’s fashions). For cultural reasons, however, in English, in English-speaking countries, these tend to be delineated with reference to Britain. The terminology consists of pretty specific references to one island nation.

        But somehow, I don’t think that was Viktor’s problem.

        In any case, neither “Elizabethan” nor “Victorian” is actually very descriptive, though both are composed of distinctive eras. Fashions changed tremendously in the periods between 1558 and 1603 and 1837 and 1901. The world changed tremendously in the periods between 1558 and 1603 and 1837 and 1901.

    • Anonymous

      I think both of the fabrics are gorgeous (particularly the one used for the bodice),  just not together, and not in this design.

      As for Bert & Ernie, a plague on both their houses.

      • Anonymous

        I agree on the fabrics, just used really, really poorly.  that purple damask could be gorgeous used as a very modern cut coat or short strapless dress.  Same with the iridescent taffeta.  I think if you are going to use very traditional fabrics you need to think in a very modern, unexpected manner.

    • Anonymous

      I think both of the fabrics are gorgeous (particularly the one used for the bodice),  just not together, and not in this design.

      As for Bert & Ernie, a plague on both their houses.

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      I thought I was really going to like Bert, but he seems to have this attitude that because he worked with some famous designers back in the day, he’s above the other contestants and the show itself. He is not a happy guy, and it shows. As I said before, this is the most batshit challenge they’ve ever done, hated it, and these two fabrics in this piece don’t even belong in the same room, unless one was on a chair and one used for drapes and even that would be one ugly room!

    • http://twitter.com/Snickleboom Snickleboom

      Viktor made his snide little comment right out of the gate and there was no going back for Burt, apparently.  He just shut down and turned into a big ol’ bitch the rest of the challenge.  They had one day to make an outfit for a woman on stilts.  This whole challenge was FUBAR as soon as Heidi walked out onto the runway.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      okay–the bodice is horrible. the gold net crap in the bodice is horrible. the poor fit, poor cut, poor design & poor construction of the bodice is horrible. the skirt fabric was nice a decade ago, more, but even a decade ago, more, the skirt wouldve been a parachute. period.

      otoh:
      viktor is a real nightmare. he insulted bert on what is now international television, in front of not just his immediate peers, obviously, but before the whole world. & if i remember correctly, he said that every contestant felt the same way.

      after which he made extraordinarily ignorant remarks about fashion in front of bert, their model, the workroom, & the world. in any other era, he wouldve looked like an absolute fool. in the era of the last five years, i dont know. anyway, i do know the difference between victorian & elizabethan &, you know, it finally dawned on me viktor wasnt talking, really, about either. he was kinda talking renaissance but what he was really talking, really truly talking, was renaissance faire. cos thats what he knows. cos he’s been in the states long enough to have been to one. or he’s seen them on tv. cos thats what he knows too.

      so bert used every possible televised moment to get back at viktor for being a, as they say, miserable jackhole about him, bert, on television. so he probably did that too much. so even i think he went overboard by refusing to accept responsibility for any of the glitterynettedsofaparachute that sauntered out there in the wind. &, yep, i have seen too often & at too close a hand what an addict’s unwillingness to take responsibility for his idiot choices can actually do. so i will go w/ that. but thats it.

      i think it’s superdifficult to be someone who actually knows things these days, things that one read in books instead of what one saw in one or another medium. & i think it’s probably been really difficult going both ways being old enough to be everyone else in the room’s parent. i mean, he’s even a lot older than me & thats really, as other people once said, really saying something. i guess.

      anyway, i would like to see what he does next week.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1326120071 Gaby Ripoll

        Wow, someone insulted someone else on a reality show? SHOCKING. 
        I find it difficult to get that angry at Viktor when they’re constantly being begged for their opinions, which can be insulting. So he had a shitty one. His general attitude, as far as we can tell, was not as shitty as Bert’s. 

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          i hope there is still a difference between provocation & reaction, even overreaction. & i dont think we know how bert wouldve acted w/o the provocation. i think, at the end of the day, that heidi’s interpretation of them both is pretty telling. but we’ll find out next week. then again, i also remember viktor proudly asserting that he was a jerk, way earlier than this whole business & i think he rather proved himself. which mightve been his idea.

          i’d also hope project runway didnt run via the same standards as, say, a shot of love with tila tequila but i dont trust anything in the world any more.

    • Anonymous

      I’m all about picking sides but not this time. Bert and Viktor were both out of line.  Nothing worse than a designer with more attitude than talent. 

      • Lisa

        I agree, they were just both awful.  My problem with it, though, is that it was more disappointing to see it coming from Bert, because I wanted to like him a lot.  But after his behavior during the pet store challenge and this one, I just hated seeing someone I wanted to be a favorite act like a jerk-off.

      • Anonymous

        Yup.  I just wanted to conk their heads together and be done with them.  Metaphorically speaking.

    • jeneria

      Bert was pedantic and a bitch.  I could take one or the other, but both together combined with his refusal to play in the pet store challenge has completely turned me against him.  He’s a brat, he doesn’t work well with others, and he doesn’t want to do anything that is outside his comfort zone.   Auf him already.

      Otherwise, he will be the new Wendy Pepper, thoroughly unlikeable and marginally talented and willing to lie to save himself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/suzie.vazquez Suzie Vazquez

      I don’t like either of them, or the outcome. I was shocked at Bert’s behavior and felt bad for Viktor having to deal with it. But I think it’s telling that Viktor is not the only one to come in conflict with Bert. It’s sad really, had great expectations for Bert but he crashed and burned pretty quickly, no?  Bert’s insistence that the fabric was gorgeous and modern was pretty funny. Viktor should have put his foot down in mood about the fabric choice. Poor Tim having to sit there and listen to it all!

    • http://twitter.com/onetimeko maybe more

      Bert struck me as blatantly self-sabotaging during this episode. This, combined with last episode’s don’t-give-a-fuck mess and his background story from casting lead me to believe he has a tendency to be self-destructive in his behavior.

      It’s sad because this could really be an opportunity for him to turn his attitude around, prove his worth to himself and move forward in life, but he’s just squandering it away into things like little bitchfits over inconsequential terminology.

      • Lisa

        That sounds like a pretty accurate analysis, yeah.

    • Anonymous

      Um, yeah. I was rooting for Bert from the start, but he has killed any goodwill like a roach hotel for bitches.

    • Anonymous

      OMG! I didn’t notice the heinous bits of gold tulle trim. There should be executions for this design, not aufs. Bert and Ernie Viktort are extremely lucky that Fallene imploded into a quivering, tearful mess.

    • Anonymous

      I thought they were BOTH total bitches. 

      I’ve learned not to get too attached to anyone on PR early on. Too often my favorites during the first couple of shows turn out to be the contestants I ended up hating. 

      • Lisa

        I know, I hate when that happens.  

    • Anonymous

      When Heidi asked, Viktor said something like his heart dropped being paired with Bert. And Bert took that and ran, complaining how unprofessional it was of Viktor to say that — yet Bert had no issue behaving unprofessionally in the pet shop challenge (which is when he lost me). I don’t think any designer was out of line having their hearts drop to be paired with him or to say so.

    • Anonymous

      I wonder if Bert’s representation of the older demographic and adding diversity to the still large pool makes a difference. Heidi’s a producer and may also want Bert around for at least half the season (sort of like Peach and other oldies from past seasons). Viktor OTOH seems pretty dispensable. I honestly can’t remember anything he’s designed yet and as a contestant he doesn’t really add much.

      • Anonymous

        I liked both of Viktor earlier outfits the White dress with the Black trim in Ep 1 and in Ep 2 the purple puppy pad dress  – so I am disappointed.  Yet I thought wither fabric could have worked but NOT TOGETHER

    • margaret meyers

      “Bertie Bear” never existed.  Bitter Bert, he’s here.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      The bodice seams don’t even come close to matching pattern

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5U3PR5QBVVV2T6HC5U7S7GCNL4 sevi

      when kim kardashian said it looked like the garment made from curtains in the movie “sound of music”, i expected victor to correct that as well :D now that wouldve caused some stir :)

    • Anonymous

      Plus, the model’s hair looks so much better in the workroom photo than on the runway.

    • Anonymous

      Just judging for what Bert sent out last week, I’ll say he’s the one who put that awful gold lace around the top.   They both deserve a big FAIL for that garment.

    • Karl Benjamin Fajardo

      I got off the Bert train after his behavior on the Pet Store challenge, this time is was just nasty.

    • Karl Benjamin Fajardo

      I got off the Bert train after his behavior on the Pet Store challenge, this time is was just nasty.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Sugarbaker’s! It’s kinda perfect that they made this outfit out of interiors fabrics. Better than Scarlett O’Hara and Maria VonTrapp, Miss Stiltwalker looks about the size of a window needing dressing. Perhaps the only thing Bert and Viktor might have agreed on was what section of Mood might stock enough fabric to cover a 7 foot woman: the drapery fabric section.

    • Anonymous

      Both of these queens are bitches who made an outfit that was ugly, dated and looked cheap. Viktor is most certainly a jerk and should have kept his thoughts of being paired with Bert to himself. That was such a stupid way to start a “collaboration”. BUT he realized he needed to suck it up and figure out a way to make it work. He obviously was ready to do whatever it took to win. Bert, on the other hand, decided it was all about HIM and he knew everything…I mean was a walking encyclopedia for God’s sake. Ugh. The Queen Bitch is a sullen, pretentious ASS HAT. Don’t forget, that bodice was Bert’s baby from the fabric right down to the last detail. 

    • Anonymous

      Honestly,this was just another low point in a terrible episode and challenge.  The challenge itself almost invited the worst behavior form everyone, it made no sense and had no clear defining point.  That being said, they both acted somewhat shitty form time to time but I feel Bert had tha worse attitiude.  Viktor did, at least in editing, to appear to want to make the best of the situation.  Bert was jst a bitch or was edited really, really meanly.
      I do disagree that the fabrics are ugly, they are both quite beautiful, just used very poorly.  IMO, if you go to a very elegant and tradtional fabric you need to swing modern and unexpected in your design.  They went old fashioned and the result was “shit on stilits”.  But really, weren’t they all “shit on stilts”?

    • http://diaryofaconsumerpunchingbag.blogspot.com/ Laura Ann Springer

      This challenge ate big monkey crap! Really people WTH! I am almost done with this show again. 

    • http://www.fatladysings.us/ TFLS

       I kept seeing Carol Burnett coming down those stairs wearing curtains (+ rod) – only that was a hell of a lot funnier (in both content AND execution!). 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QK7O6OXEX3AYERJWQUXBSVCTY Candy Kane

      I think Queen Bitch is too kind a nickname, it reminds me of that awesome David Bowie song, and Bert just doesn’t deserve the association.

    • Anonymous

      Just what was the point of this challenge apart from an opportunity (actually two) for Heidi to showcase her ability to walk on stilts – which she did surprisingly well, I must admit. But really, it was a useless exercise especially following on from the first two weak challenges. I’d even rather see them “make a pretty dress” than this rot. Fingers crossed, Nina’s challenge will let us see if there’s any real talent among this group. It’s virtually impossible to tell from what I’ve seen so far. 

      • Anonymous

        That really is the burning question of the day – who thought this stilt challenge was a good or relevant idea?  Auf them…….  it was an absurd and unattractive episode.  Made even more so by the presence of Kim Kardashian as a judge.

    • http://twitter.com/MsCaityCat Caitlin

      I’m really disappointed in Bert after the last two episodes. He had so much going for him and now I don’t think anyone likes him very much.

      • Anonymous

        I liked his style before the show started, and very much liked his first challenge entry. As someone who works in the media, though, I did worry a little about what’s called “managing expectations.” There was such a swell of support for him before the show even started, and this could not have been predicted. Worse (for him) is that the way the show is shot he would be halfway through the season before realizing that he might have expectations to live up to in the first place or have an opportunity in real time to manage them. Which is not to be read as a defense of him, just putting it out there.

    • Anonymous

      oddly enough, love the skirt.  i like the way the colors and the shape of it change as she moves, like billowing iridescent clouds.  i like that they were able to disguise the stilts so they almost disappear.  i think bert and bryce are playing the same game, but bert has had lots of time to hone his bullying skills as if it were an art form.  i love the picture of tim staring at them, biting his tongue the keep from saying “OK, you two bitchy queens need to get over yourselves and make some clothes here.”

      • Anonymous

        I also enjoyed the skirt – but that model really made the most of it, and I can’t imagine that fabric in any other context. But I too thought it was beautiful for this stilt challenge (I also liked the skirt by Anya-Olivier). 

    • Damien Washington

      Queen Bitch? Nah. How about Lady MacBert? He’ll never get those hands clean…

    • Anonymous

      Here’s a fabric very similar to Bert’s bodice fabric being used in a child’s Halloween costume (Renaissance Princess):
      http://www.chasing-fireflies.com/renaissance-princess-costume/productinfo/28835/

      I liked both fabrics, actually, but would never have used them so liberally and literally in a PR challenge. Not “on trend” at all.

    • RyzandShyn

      Agreed. Viktor <  Bert, but they're close on the numberline of obnoxious.  Read it forward or backward, it equals totally off-putting.

    • Anonymous

      i love that in the space of only 3 episodes, bert has gone from the bitch with the magic touch to maleficent.  in episode 2, he spent every dime of his capital with the judges and then he did the same with viewers in episode 3.  i don’t understand it, and it comes off more than a little bipolar, but maybe he’ll turn things around again?

      a word on the (TOP ONLY) fabric…  i actually thought it was pretty fabulous.  yes, it was upholstery, but for the conceptualized look it was right, and the colors came off rich.  i mean, chloe dao won project runway with nothing but nasty, shiny upholstery-wear:  this could’ve worked.  it’s the bottom fabric that is so completely disgusting and makes the look incongruous and tacky.  if bert had been able to put his bitch side in check and allowed his team to gel and focus, i don’t think the fabric choice of the top would’ve been seen as tragic.  i think they could’ve worked it in quite elegantly, had they been able to agree/collaborate on anything.  so again:  fault, bert.

      • Anonymous

        I know that it’s a matter of personal taste, but I’ve looked at that fabric over and over again, trying to figure out in what sort of design it would look rich and current, and I can’t come up with anything.    But I agree with you about Chloe’s final collection.   She won (in my opinion) by default.  Daniel V. really put out a true dog of a collection and Santino was just too much of an ass for them to give the win to him (and his collection wasn’t all that good, either). 

        • Anonymous

          no, i wasn’t trying to say that it WAS on-trend, but perfect (and tasteful) for what they were trying to create ~ an old-world corseted top.  for that, it was perfect and rich.  there are some looks, like chloe’s and like this dress that beyonce wore … http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl2/0/10/08_2009/e7b0ea2fc15dc577_Beyonce3.jpg ~ where upholstery-inspired fabrics TRY to be current and fail miserably.  that’s what i was trying to say…  that for what they did, it was right b/c trying to modernize couch fabric rarely works.

          and i mentioned chloe b/c i just happened to catch that season in replays on the style network a couple days ago.  i still responded really well to about half of daniel v’s collection (it hits my sweet spots, lol, and i am still obsessed with that white coat he created) but overall it wasn’t powerful.  plus, i was irritated anew at the judge’s critique of santino b/c they’d told him the entire season to tone down the embellishments and turn up the elegance.  for his final collection, he did that, but they criticized him for it.  the judges double-standard is nothing new LOL.  both at the time and at this rewatching, i thought chloe’s was the worst runway collection of the three, hands down.

    • Anonymous

      Victor complained about working with Bert, and it turns out that he was right after all. In all honesty, Victor had good reason to be annoyed at having to work with Prima Berta.

    • Anonymous

      Bert is a bitch with more experience. I sense an undertone of long-simmering bitterness that will come back and bite him. I don’t care for Victor much, either. I suspect both of them are middle-of-the-pack  and will be auf’ed somewhere around episode 5 or 6.

    • http://twitter.com/NancyW12 Nancy Woodard

      You would think as professional designers, that the minute you get cast on PR you would be studying every fabric on the Mood website, physically handling every fabric at the store back home, wandering aimlessly through every type of store and thinking “If Tim dropped me here, what would I use?” Sure, you can’t tell anyone that you’re going to be on the show, but surely there’s a small gap between being cast and showing up to film. It seems like none of them ever use that time to prepare. How do they put out such hideous crap? Do they never cut a pattern for a plus size, a child, a man back home? I would think that coming to PR, you would have at least 15 standard looks in the back of your head that you could pull out a variation of for a challenge, but they never seem to do that, do they?

      • Cyndi Wolfe

        My thoughts exactly!  In addition to haunting Mood and other stores I would think the designers would have reviewed every previous episode and considered what to bone up on before being sequestered.  This is akin to doing your homework and studying before a big test.

        Finally, I am shocked!  Shocked I tell you, that so many designers on this program don’t think tactically or strategically.  Believe me, this early in the competition I would be pleasant to everyone, cooperative on team challenges and sizing up the competition.  It is not helpful to make the other designers hate you.   In the real world, successful designers have to be able to collaborate or at least work well with their staffs.  If those who have formal training don’t know this they either missed the class where it was discussed or schools of design need to beef up their curricula!

    • bethannstamps

      didn’t even notice that tacky gold lace thing at the top,i think my g’mom would like it and she’s 100yrs old.  well QB, your true nature came out

    • Judy_J

      I just wonder if Bert would have been so bitchy had Viktor not insisted from the get-go that they do an Elizabethan-style dress.  Bert made it clear in the last challenge that he did not do costumes, and that’s pretty much what Viktor wanted to do.  They were both at fault for not coming up with a compromise design they could both live with.

    • Judy_J

      I just wonder if Bert would have been so bitchy had Viktor not insisted from the get-go that they do an Elizabethan-style dress.  Bert made it clear in the last challenge that he did not do costumes, and that’s pretty much what Viktor wanted to do.  They were both at fault for not coming up with a compromise design they could both live with.

    • fragileindustries

      Personalities aside: Elizabethan bodices are super-tight, with a strong v-shape to the waist, then a symmetrical flare below meeting a rigid, bell-shaped skirt. The bodice: trunk-shaped.  Bodice flare: asymmetrical and rumpled.  Neck ruff: missing. That lace: ouch. The skirt: stoned circus tent.  The fabric: horrid.  The styling: what styling?  Did they never ask themselves who would wear this?  Not Queen Elizabeth. These two queens couldn’t even make a queen costume.  Actually, if they had skipped the skirt and just kept the pants beneath it would still be awful, but not so grotesquely auf-worthy.

    • http://janeaustensworld.wordpress.com/ Vic

      So far I’ve seen nothing that tempts me to watch this show again.

    • narita_rayna

      i was totally team bert till this episode.  he came off very poorly.  his whole attitude stinks.  he needs to redeem himself fast.  his last 2 garments have been awful!

    • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

      I’m tired of the belief that, because I am older, I somehow have to behave better than other adults in the room. Bert thought it was crap and didn’t need to defend it because he knew Viktor would feel like he had more to prove.  Bert doesn’t care to get anyone’s approval.  And he doesn’t do costumes, and that’s all Viktor wanted to do.  And all costumes ended up in the bottom three.

      • Anonymous

        Bert swore he would have made something better for the runway with … that upholstery. Sorry, even if this was crap — and weirdly, Bert said the morning of the runway he was happy with it — Bert couldn’t have saved it with his choices alone.

      • Toto Maya

        It’s not his age, I just think he was being a jerk. But so was Victor. And the outfit was ugly. Bert should have worked to make it not crap. If he doesn’t want approval why is he in the competition? It just doesn’t make sense. I get that he doesn’t want to do costumes, but sometimes in this competition you have to, so you suck it up and make it awesome so you can survive another week to make actual fashion. That is what annoys me about Bert, he is shooting himself in the foot. He doesn’t have to be happy or positive, but refusing to do the challenges doesn’t really help him.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

          They were both more concerned about being right than honestly assessing what they were producing, and sucking it up to make something that didn’t look like total crap.

    • Anonymous

      I’d like to see the parts we were not privy to.  Seems like BHurtme and Viktor/Viktorian were against each other from the get-go.

    • Anonymous

      Man.  No one hates bitchiness more than I do.  And normally I eschew advice to indulge or tolerate “difficult” people.  So why I feel differently with Bert I’m not sure.  It must be his whole backstory.  I mean, c’mon – he’s not been sober very long and there’s a long road behind him filled with illness, death and addiction.  He’s been out of the loop for a long-ass time!  I’m no expert, but I can’t imagine rehab produces an entirely new, better-equipped human being.  It’s just step one!  So if this is merely a scared, uncertain recovering alcoholic trying to deal with the intense pressure of this show, then let’s just cut him some slack.  A little bit!

      I’m sorry, but it never fails to amaze me how very poorly people are at dealing with fellow humans.  Not you guys here.  I just mean if someone were to take a second and talk to Bert – like ADULT TO ADULT – then maybe he’d have an epiphany.  Or maybe not.  It certainly couldn’t hurt to try, yea?  I just have real compassion for someone his age trying to pick up their lives again.  It must be fucking scary.  God.  Not sure I could do it evn as a non-addict.

    • Anonymous

      We saw Viktor sketching on his HP pad. And we heard Bert saying on the runway, “he didn’t even sketch”. There’s no getting around that: Bert’s a lying sack of doo-doo. I wish him ill.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTKUN6VNACC6CKQ5EGO4L47FWQ Tomek

      I agree fully!   I thought it wasn’t very smart of Vic to express disappointment when his team mate was chosen – it set a bad tone.  But Bert was just aweful.  I lost all respect for him. 

    • Anonymous

      That is perhaps the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen come down the PR runway. The poor woman wearing it looks like someone just shot her in the back. Which they sort of did, sartorially speaking. It also look itchy. The whole thing – attitude and outcome — makes me want to take to my bed.

    • Anonymous

      T-Lo, you’re spot on. I am less interested in the show for fashion than for its various neuroses.  

    • MilaXX

      I’m wondering if Bert is getting the Michael C edit from last year cause it seems most of the other designers don’t really like him and other than his lazy attitude toward the pet shop challenge we the viewers haven’t seen what warrants it other than a large dose of get-off-my-lawn-itus. But yeah, I think at this point Bert is earning the Queen B moniker. Sad thing is between his age and time out of the loop due to his addiction, he could use a youthful infusion to make his designs model. making friends with the younger designers could work to his benefit.

    • MilaXX

      In real life that might work, but when you up for a reality show with prize money at stake I think you forfeit the right to ask people to cut you some slack.

    • MilaXX

      You ever hear that saying, “when someone tells you who they are believe them.”? Bert said in his bio, “My nephews call me Uncle TightA**”.
      We all chuckled and said, “Oh no, not cute and cuddily Bert.”
      Now we’re seeing that side of him and feel disappointed when he told use from t

    • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

      That’s sure how it appeared to me.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C65IT4K6RYN4TWRMFJOI3VUDAI Olechka Milashka

      Yup, I am over him as well.  Too bad, I was rooting for him

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C65IT4K6RYN4TWRMFJOI3VUDAI Olechka Milashka

      Yup, I am over him as well.  Too bad, I was rooting for him

    • C S

      From my view they were both equally at fault.  Bert was arrogant and pushy, absolutely. Not an easy teammate at all.  But Viktor was immature and over-dramatic. His fits of drama hysterics and whining to the other designers were just as counterproductive.  I think the blame lays with each and cancels each other out.  

      That dress was hiddy and I don’t even think that fabric was fashionable twenty years ago!!  Maybe for palm reader’s tent.  And that tacky skirt. Really? I saw them both look at that fabric and approve. What the hell guys?  For the next team challenge I hope Bert is put with someone who can hold their own with him and blow off his rudeness like an annoying little fly in the room.  

    • C S

      From my view they were both equally at fault.  Bert was arrogant and pushy, absolutely. Not an easy teammate at all.  But Viktor was immature and over-dramatic. His fits of drama hysterics and whining to the other designers were just as counterproductive.  I think the blame lays with each and cancels each other out.  

      That dress was hiddy and I don’t even think that fabric was fashionable twenty years ago!!  Maybe for palm reader’s tent.  And that tacky skirt. Really? I saw them both look at that fabric and approve. What the hell guys?  For the next team challenge I hope Bert is put with someone who can hold their own with him and blow off his rudeness like an annoying little fly in the room.  

    • Anonymous

      Ren Fair nerds everywhere are weeping inside.

    • Khristen Bendali

      THANK YOU!! I wanted to like Burt from the first episode, but he was such a dismissive, defensive pill this episode!! What on earth?! And he totally picked that curtain fabric!!

    • Gigi Louis

      Honestly, I think my feelings would have been so hurt if someone were openly disappointed to be my partner that I’d probably turn into a defensive little bitch too. :-)  That being said, they just couldn’t get past it and are lucky not to have been eliminated.

      You know what I’m really over?  I’m really over the whole “education” thing.  Going to design school does not make you a good sewer (think of the nine years of crappy sewing we’ve seen by trained designers).  Some of these kids are so full of themselves that it makes me giggle.  Someday they’ll be older and realize how little they knew.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with all those who’ve said there was plenty of blame to go around here. You don’t start off a successful partnership by rolling your eyes and bitching about who you got stuck with (Viktor) or by insisting that your ideas and your ideas alone will work (Bert). I noticed when Viktor’s attitude became more conciliatory midway through the challenge, but apparently Bert didn’t, which is a shame. Maybe he just doesn’t play well with others. Maybe he’s overwhelmed.

      I do have to say one thing, though, about TLo’s comment that “If you’re just going to bully the young and treat them like little more than  pointless annoyances, you deserve every bit of ageism that’s going to come your way because if it.” It is certainly true that the whole point to getting older is to achieve some little bit of wisdom and beating up on people younger than you doesn’t reflect that wisdom. But nobody “deserves” ageism, just as nobody deserves racism or sexism. These prejudices ascribe certain characteristics to a whole group of people, rather than focusing on one single person. You can say that Bert is cranky and bossy because he’s older, but you’d probably be wrong. It has to do with Bert, not his age. Had to get my two cents in on that.

    • Andrea Franklin

      Ha Julia Sugarbaker’s desk chair.  Love it! I see I’ll have to start hitting this site everyday now, lol

    • Anonymous

      I thought they both behaved horribly. Victor’s “you’re immature” while storming out with no apparent irony was ridiculous.

      Here’s the thing about Bert. He’s clearly a Queen Bitch and behaved horribly, but I also strongly, strongly, STRONGLY suspect Asperger’s accompanied by OCD. I say this as the mother of an adult son who is Aspie with OCD, who watched the episode with me and saw the same things. Here’s the evidence:

      *Incapable of seeing that factual information was unimportant and out-of-context (the Victorian/Elizabethan and Mae West things)

      *Incapable of dropping the past (who did what) and moving on–because the facts have to be resolved before moving on is possible.

      *That video Lifetime has up of everyone saying that Bert’s communication style is weird and he has poor social skills and they just can’t figure out why he rubs them the wrong way.

      *His eye contact is poor in almost every shot of him interacting with anyone.

      None of this excuses what a bitch he was. However, it makes everything worse for him, and I do kind of feel sorry for him if I’m right (which, hello, I’m diagnosing someone on the TV, so there’s every likelihood I’m wrong). What often happens with Aspies is that people dislike them right away and don’t cut any slack for their differences, and then things escalate and get worse and worse. Which, again, nothing to do with fabric choices or bad design, but everything to do with the interactions between people, which is what we’re really on about here.

      • sweetlilvoice

        Thank you for this response! I also thought more was going on here….I also think Bert has some self destructive tendencies too.

      • Anonymous

        This was so insightful, Deborah. I know nothing about Asperger’s except that suddenly I’m hearing about it everywhere, and I know it was something to do with pained interactions with others.  So this was really valuable information for me, and I’m sure, for many others too.  So thank you!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        Very interesting observation. 

    • Anonymous

      Ugh, Bert was insufferable this episode. It’s annoying enough to see a young person behaving badly, but it’s almost worse when it’s a person who is old enough and supposedly mature enough to know better. 
      Those fabrics were hideous, but the end result wasn’t as bad as I had expected. I was thinking that the whole point was to make something costumey, so the Ren Faire look of the whole thing didn’t upset me. It definitely could have been made better, though.

    • http://twitter.com/aidanboleyn Aidan B

      I really wanted to like Bert, especially since he can poke fun at himself for his age, but he’s making it very hard. He’s been snide and condescending for the past two challenges. Not Queen Mother behavior at all.
      As for the dress; ugh. I think they had good intentions with the Victorian or Elizabethan shapes, but the fabric choice was obviously dreadful and the design was not as well executed as it could be. Neither Viktor nor Bert did themselves any favors with this challenge.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1378740171 Arthur Lipp-Bonewits

      Bert is clearly borderline Asperger’s. As someone with Asperger’s Syndrome, I’ve been there where it is impossible for me to resist the need to correct every. Little. Meaningless. Thing. Bert wasn’t correcting the things about Mae West and Queen Victoria because he was bullying. He was doing it because he doesn’t know it’s inappropriate, rude, pointless, etc. And because he feels the overwhelming compulsion to correct that all Aspies get sometimes.

    • http://palimpsest.typepad.com/frogsandravens Rana
    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5TCZJZPFUZEOFFQIBD4LR5TRME Lucinda M

      I have completely lost my initial liking of Bert…I thought he was going to be laid back and now he turns out to be such a prima donna superior know it all, untrustworthy partner, too, yuck yuck yuck, and such an UGLY thing he made. Viktor was not as bad as Bert so i don’t know why Viktor got picked as second worst,…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

      I think Viktor meant “Viktor-ian” while Bert heard Victorian and that’s where the trouble began.

      Sorry – how do you expect someone to act when his partner immediately rolls his eyes and gets an attitude when told whom he’s working with? Yes, Bert could have been less condescending. But Viktor started the whole relationship off badly and Bert was defensive because of that. Plus, we only see Viktor giving his input for this dress. He doesn’t respond to Bert’s input (however snottily it’s given) and the finished look was clearly born out of the edited conversation we saw. Then he tells Bert to sketch the dress. Bert clearly tells him it’s his idea so he should sketch it. I don’t know about you, but I see Viktor wearing the bossy pants in that exchange and Bert looks like he has no idea what to do. The way this conversation is presented makes it seem as though Viktor is trying to get Bert to claim ownership of a design that wasn’t his, so that later Viktor could point to the sketch and say,”See? He sketched it like that!”

      So I think that the blame is equally shared when it comes to communication breakdown and attitude, as well as for the hideous fabric choices. However, there is something to be said about historical accuracy. The brocade print is very similar to an image of Queen Victoria seen here:  http://meowstore.blogspot.com/2011/05/happy-victoria-day.html
      and several seen here: http://babylonbaroque.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/birthday-wishes-to-the-queen/
      The difference being, however, that the brocade would have been more typically used on the skirt, rather than the bodice as in Viktor and Bert’s dress.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7XUNV4IR2TTWR5ICLSR5NP2WFE gaia228

      I have to disagree on one point.  There IS a big difference between Victorian-era fashion and Elizabethan-era fashion and I think Bert was right to point that out because if one person does know the difference between the two and the other tean-mate doesn’t that could create a major miscommunication.  Victorian wear was much more conservative, with high necks, long sleeves, barely any skin whereas Elizabethan fashion was more daring by creating lower necklines and really excentuating the bosom and cleavage.  There are no arguements here that Bert does come off as very pretencious and it is generally unlikable however I thought Viktor came out looking like the more childish, immature one simply because Bert IS knowledgable and Viktor came out looking like an annoyed brat.  That fabric he picked for the skirt was HIDEOUS.  I think with a different skirt the dress could have worked.

    • Anonymous

      I also noticed that this model has a great tattoo.  Imagine what they could have come up with if they looked at this the same way Becky and Kimberly did and based their design around the woman they were working with.  They couldn’t have come up with anything less right for her in this.  I blame both of them, neither embraced the challenge at all and I think this should have been the look in the bottom.

    • Anonymous

      meh i think you guys have it wrong. i mean bert is a bitch and his attitude sucks and will probably screw him in the end, but honestly it does matter that viktor knows what the reference he is using means, and i bet michael kors would’ve made the same comment about mae west and pants cause its true and that generation knows it. i also think it was viktor’s idea in the beginning, and even though bert did pick that awful top fabric, viktor picked the bottom one. also that “i own what we did together” crap made me think bert was right that he needs to read some books.

    • Shawn Hill

      Conflating Queens Elizabeth with Victoria, and Mae West with 1940s and 50s, and all of Viktor’s other signs of ignorance are far more than inconsequential, and this lack of historical context has tripped up many designers before on the show; but it’s true that Bert could have been more diplomatic in correcting his shoddy thinking, and that he really didn’t seem to want to get along. Gotta love Viktor’s “It was a comment, not a question,” as he stalks off at one point.

    • Mariah J

      This one should have been out, it was TERRIBAD

    • Arcy Silver

      and isn’t it funny how Burt threw Viktor under the bus when he was the one insisting on the design and fabric. Viktor knew from the start it looks hideous but Burt won’t budge. Viktor’s mistake was to compromise and finish the garment instead.

    • http://twitter.com/Steamworksbaths Steamworks

      So you’ve just dismissed off handedly the whole Queen Victoria and Mae West kerfuffle, but I have to take Bert’s side in this.  There is nothing more irritating when talking to someone about design when they completely misuse references that are VERY specific.  They have utterly failed to communicate anything.  Bert’s right, Saying you want the dress to look like something for Queen Victoria communicates a high collared black mourning outfit, which was her signature look for 5 decades.  I’m not sure what Viktor was trying to say, and if he can’t communicate his ideas either verbally or through sketching (which he apparetnly refused to do) then what is Bert left with? 

      The resulting outfit was a hot mess and Bert seems responsible for the brocade which was universally viewed as one the dresses greatest crimes, but Viktor is a little tw*t.

    • http://twitter.com/curtisjunk Curtis Jensen

      So you’ve just dismissed offhandedly the whole Queen Victoria and Mae
      West kerfuffle, but I have to take Bert’s side in this.  There is
      nothing more irritating when talking to someone about design when they
      completely misuse references that are VERY specific.  They have utterly
      failed to communicate anything.  Bert’s right, Saying you want the dress
      to look like something for Queen Victoria communicates a high collared
      black mourning outfit, which was her signature look for 5 decades.  I’m
      not sure what Viktor was trying to say, and if he can’t communicate his
      ideas either verbally or through sketching (which he apparently refused
      to do) then what is Bert left with? 

      The resulting outfit was a
      hot mess and Bert seems responsible for the brocade which was
      universally viewed as one the dresses greatest crimes, but Viktor is a
      little tw*t.