PR: Producers Know What’s Best

Posted on August 26, 2011

Sweet Jesus on a breadstick, we’ve got a lot of ground to cover this morning. Has there ever been such an … eventful episode of Project Runway? That wasn’t reality television; that was Ben Hur with scissors.

But first, we’d like to say a few words.

SHUT

THE FUCK

UP, QUEENS.

You both needed to be packed up, stuffed into your little bitchboxes, and sent home for being such nasty queens. Although we appreciated the symmetry of it. Neither the young gay man nor the old one came off looking much better than the other. You both managed to embarrass us! Well done, bitches.

Now, let’s talk abou– hang on. One more thing to address.

You’re an asshole.

Oh, sorry. That was kind of– no, to hell with it. You let someone else go home the previous day and NOW you want to opt out? Why didn’t you speak up on the runway? And you know what? You signed up for a reality show. It’s 2011. If you don’t know by now that such a state of affairs would mean you’d be stuck doing stupid things like running a race to make a dress then we have not the slightest bit of sympathy. Not only did hundreds of others compete to get the slot she’s giving up, but 4 people went home before she could work up the nerve to walk. Pft. Done with you, you sour thing.


Boy the producers must’ve really thought they had a great idea on their hands with this racing thing.

Betcha that’s not gonna happen again soon. Somewhere in the background a producer is hastily scribbling over next season’s planned “motorcycle jump through a ring of fire” challenge.

Oh, and look a that; it’s the Privilege Olympics, where everyone who isn’t a man in his 20s doesn’t get to lead a team. Next week, the girls will have to do all their work in corsets and 4-inch heels while the boys can wear their pajamas.

NEVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF PROJECT RUNWAY have all the team leaders been gay men. Result? MASSIVE amounts of drama! Who could’ve predicted?

Wait. Bryce is gay, right? We never actually thought about it before; just assumed. Can we get a ruling on that?

“HELLO DESIGNERS! Like you, I am also a designer as well. Except I don’t have to make an ass of myself on TV like you do. See? I ‘designed’ these New Balance sneakers! They are totally unlike every other New Balance sneaker you’ve ever seen because… Denim! Suede!”

And here is where we come in and state our thesis for this post:  This was ProducerFest 2011. There was so much producer manipulation going on in this one, they might as well have had production assistants standing behind everyone in every shot, whispering into people’s ears and goading them on. To start off ProducerFest, they had that ridiculous Sprint to be a Leader thing – a manner of picking leaders designed to get people annoyed right from the beginning – which they then followed up with the classic Weak, Undefined Challenge, where no one, not the judges, producers, or designers, had any real idea of what the parameters of the challenge were. Work out clothes? No! You can make a dress! You made a dress? I don’t see how any woman could work out in that!

If you look at it as a psych experiment to study group dynamics, it makes perfect sense.

And look! The Happiest Gi– Boy in the World is back!

Um… why? Every other time something like this happened, the previous auf’ee was always automatically brought back. But the producers can’t have fairness, now can they? It has to be about maximum amounts of drama and Dogblankets Julie was apparently not going to provide as much drama as the Mormon Who’s Looking for the Right Girl but also Wears These Weirdly Draped Lady-Sweaters.

Remember, he just skipped over two whole challenges. Everyone else in that room had to make it through all the previous challenges except for him. Fairness!

So let’s recap ProducerFest 2011 so far: Cagematch-style leader-picking, resulting in one designer running away screaming and another on the floor with a busted knee; followed up by deliberately vague instructions designed to cause panic and give the judges an out when they don’t like someone;  and then capped off with the return of the most dramatic of all the auf’ees returning to the competition. Well done, producers. Look at all this drama and no one’s even picked up a needle yet! What ELSE can the producers do to wring more drama out of the situation?

 

Why, clumsily reward the biggest asshole in the episode, of course.

It seems to us Becky made a classic mistake: she thought go-along-to-get-along was the best way to deal with a lop-sided team that was stacked against her. That’s never the way in reality television, dear. Being nice is almost never rewarded. Just look at your team leader.

Not that we can find fault with her. Her reaction to the situation was to be expected – although crying’s never a good idea when you’re being ganged up on. And can we just say that Anya is SUCH a player it’s not even funny? Keep your eye on Mean Girl, because she DEFINITELY knows how to work people. Pageant queens. They’re dangerous bitches, y’all.

What kills — KILLS US — about all this is that the producers and judges quite clearly violated a whole bunch of longstanding dictates of the show by giving Josh the win. Never before has a designer been rewarded SOLELY for being an asshole to other designers and yet that’s exactly what happened here. The judges came down on Becky for not asserting herself in the design but actually PRAISED Josh for railroading her. “Good leadership.” Fuck THAT. There was nothing in Josh’s leadership style that could have been quantified as good. He was a TEXTBOOK bad manager.

And we hate to say it, but it wasn’t until Tim opened his mouth at the end that we saw just how much the producers were behind this one. “I just want to commend you all for telling the truth blahblahblah…” Tim, you’re a whore. As recently as last season you were berating the designers for having fights on the runway and now you’re suddenly praising them for it? Gross.

As for the actual dynamics of this group, what can we say? Josh is a typical nasty twink who thinks far too highly of himself and is genuinely surprised when the rest of the world doesn’t share in his self-love. He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women. Becky’s too passive. Anya is that most dangerous of creatures: the gorgeous, cunning woman. We’re serious. After this episode, we wouldn’t turn our backs on her, that’s for sure.

Josh figured he’d insincerely buttered her up enough and she would continue to weakly submit to him on the runway. But when Becky saw which way the wind was blowing on the judging, she finally got the nerve to speak up. You could tell Josh was FURIOUS about that. We just wish she’d had the nerve to tell the whole story to the judges.

Oh, what are we saying? She almost certainly did, it was almost certainly edited out, and the judges almost certainly didn’t care because turning Josh from a minor player to a Major Villain was too good an opportunity to pass up.

We can admit that this was one of the more cohesive collections on that runway and had the highest number of usable, wearable pieces. We’ll get to the other entries later this week, but we’ll just focus on “Josh’s” winning design for now.






Scroll up and look at what Heidi was wearing when she announced the challenge. Remember last week when Nina wore a salmon, black and grey blouse and Josh made a salmon, black and grey dress? We hope the judges start noticing this sort of thing and calling him on it, but they probably won’t. As for the design… enh. The racing stripe in the front and the zipper in the back are horrendous. The dress is just okay, but the idea of a maxi dress paired with running shoes is just too weird.

So…congrats, we guess. You didn’t design or sew the outfit, but the judges were really impressed by your ability to run roughshod over people. Because remember? Remember all those times in seasons past when the judges implored the designers over and over again, “In order to make it in this business you have to treat people around you like shit?” No? You don’t remember that? Hunh. Funny. Neither do we.

Is that a face you want to slap or what? We wouldn’t recommend it, though. One slap and you’ll be enveloped in a cloud of chemicals and hair products.

This is what really pissed us off. They had a winner with Viktor and they just couldn’t let that be enough, so they shoehorned in a win for Josh even though the winning design was sewn and designed by other people.

And while it’s true that the overall collection was too drab…

We thought this was an inspired look. The juxtaposition of the sharp, highly structured jacket with the artfully wrinkled dress felt extremely modern.

Even better, this felt like a true ensemble; like each piece is lessened without the other piece.
We really adore that dress, which has a funky, city feel to it; like a chic girl on a Saturday running her errands.



But of course it’s the jacket that makes the look complete. That is a pretty stunning piece of workmanship considering the time constraints.

 


Just a really chic, breezy modern look that actually works as an outfit designed for sneakers. Of course she’s not going to work out in this, but she can run from one end of the city to the next picking up her drycleaning and dropping off the mail, looking super-chic the whole time. Somehow, Viktor managed to weed through all the conflicting directives of this challenge and come up with something that satisfied practically all of them (except the working out part).

So congrats, Viktor. It was a well-earned win. As far as we can tell he was a decent team leader and the design that won was one hundred percent his own. It’s just a shame he had to share the win with someone who didn’t fit either of those criteria.

For shame, Bunim Murray. You’re doing exactly what everyone feared you would do when you took over: you’re turning this into The Real World with sewing.

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke/MyLifetime.com - Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

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    • Anonymous

      Loved Victor’s.  Obviously, he’s the true winner here.  Clinique needs to GTFO…what a loser.

    • Anonymous

      The fact is Anthony Ryan, and the blonde girl, and Joshua and Anya……pulled a GRETCHEN in refusing to work with BERT as a TEAM … then WHINING because they dared to defend their selves on the runway!  And TIM GUNN should be ASHAMED of telling his designers how PROUD he was of them for their ‘HONESTY’ ……Really HONEST to tell another designer that they can’t design?  HONEST to work with the designers of WHOM they approved, while telling the designers who they hated DO AS YOU ARE TOLD! YOU ARE NOTHING?  LIfetime TV, and PROJECT RUNWAY say they are AGAINST bullying but not only ENCOURAGE it, but REWARD IT!

      One more episode like this, and they will lose 3 more viewers!

      • Anonymous

        They TRIED to work with him.  He kept saying things like “I don’t need your help” and “I don’t want to associate with these people.”  People keep supporting Bert, but I have no idea why…he alienates himself from others with his terrible attitude, and acts like a seven year old when he doesn’t get his way.  I’m over the ancient Queen Bitch. 

        • Shawn Hill

          No, they tried to tell him what to do. The rejected his ideas just as Gretchen always did to Michael C.; they were gob-smacked when the judges chose his outfit as the only acceptable one. They were CLUELESS in their little clique.

          • Anonymous

            I was all for Bert in the beginning, before it became obvious just what a “YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!” kind of crotchety old man he was, and I’ve lost all my love for the man.  But I do agree that this week it was more the fault of the kids on his lawn than it was him.  They excluded him from the beginning because they don’t like or trust him and he responded in just the way we’ve all come to expect.  They refused to recognize that his design, which they rejected out of hand, was much better than theirs and that any adjustments to be made should be towards what he did and away from the total asstastic garments they were making.  Instead of recognizing that he might have a point and rising about his testiness, they huddled together and pouted.  Bert didn’t force them to make those totally hideous garments.  They have only themselves to blame for that.  He wasn’t the team captain, they had the choice to ignore his bitchy behavior, take the good points he made and do something good and they didn’t do it.  So while Bert is definitely on my shit list, it’s not because of anything he did in this challenge.

            • Anonymous

              What was with Heidi’s flip-flop on Bert’s dress between the consult and the runway?

            • Anonymous

              That’s hard to say, melizer.  The judges often flipflop when they visit the workroom between seeing it there and then seeing it on the runway.  Maybe it looked better when the model was walking in it than it did on the dress form.  Maybe it looked so much better in comparison to the other two looks from the team that it automatically got faint praise (which, let’s face it, the garment was damned by.)  Maybe Heidi suddenly developed a brain fart.  If there’s one thing that’s consistent on PR, it’s that the judges will be totally inconsistent.

            • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

              Can you imagine if Bert WERE the team leader? If the contest had been something other than a physical sprint? Would they have been able to take his direction at all, or would this season’s rampant (defensive) ageism have landed them in the same place?

            • Anonymous

              Heidi wreaked havoc by declaring Bert’s not appropriate for her line at the consult, causing Laura and Anthony to start persuading Bert to change his.  If she hadn’t said that, things might have gone differently.  They might have brought theirs more in line with Bert’s.  Or at least be more conflict-free.  It really sent them into an unneccessary tailspin. I would have been flabbergasted if I were Laura and Anthony on the runway, when suddenly Bert’s unchanged dress was declared fantastic. Like she practically denied ever saying it was not, like Bert denies or invents conversations. Impossible.

            • Kathleen Gillies

              Becky should have done what Bert did.

          • Anonymous

            bert did not try to work with them at all. i will be transparent in admitting that i’m on team anthony ryan mostly because i think he’s smokin, but come on. bert double-effing-FIST PUMPED when michael said something negative to his teammates. i would’ve slapped a bitch.

            • Anonymous

              anthony ryan so far seems incapable of designing a good garment that is not a knock-off of a popular design. he also is incapable of constructing a grammatically correct sentence. i would  have double fist pumped too when the judges called out the fug he made. he should have gone home for that ugly thing and for being a shitty team captain.

            • Anonymous

              That was simply repulsive. That grown ass man needs a damn AA program. King Baby
               

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1374511853 Sara Yungwirth

          I totally agree with you. Also, they did tell Bert that they didn’t like his design, and that he would have to defend it himself on the runway, and he agreed. Then, on the runway he was like “Oh no, You guys are lying! You never said that! You bad people!! I’ll just laugh while you guys are being critiqued!”
          How much more can one come across as a sour ass… is what I think.

          • Anonymous

            first of all, Bert has already established he is a nightmare in team challenges. I think his attitude sucked and Anthony Ryan and Laura only reacted to his already bad attitude. I was so team Bert the first week but he is so very very unpleasant. saying he didn’t remember A-R’s name because some people’s names are not worth remembering? Plus can he design anything except a little dress?

            • Anonymous

              he is a first cla—no second class pedestrian asshole. So his dress was the least repulsive…it was in NO WAT design.. NO WAY. He can sew – bid deal. hes a dry drunk in need of a program and it is GLARINGLY obvious why he dropped out of the industry back when

        • http://postsomethingcreative.blogspot.com Nicole

          Totally.  And that bullshit story he sold on the runway? “I got the group together and said, ‘hey guys, let’s all work as a team, mmkay?’ but they hated me and made me work by myself, wah wah.”  Cameras don’t lie, honey. That is not how it happened.  Bert is a stubborn nuisance.  I wish his design had been worse so he could GO.

      • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

        I don’t know. Bert seems like someone who is very difficult to work with and doesn’t care to try. Maybe I’m being fooled by the editing, but it looks like he either doesn’t understand or doesn’t listen or both. Wasn’t a fan of him celebrating when the looks of his teammates were being criticized. Usually when stuff like that happens it’s a clip from something else that editors through in there, but there was no denying that.

        • taodon

          He was celebrating their misfortune.  That is the some of the tackiest sort of vindictive behavior there is.

          • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

            Right, that’s what I meant. Usually in reality shows they’ll show someone being criticized, then go to a clip of someone smiling or laughing. A lot of times that clip is from something totally different, not at the same time as the criticism. There was no denying that Bert was celebrating his teammates being slammed.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6PUVFQ7YCZZFZRIER6BEJ4HVYE Amye

            Not as bad as Kenley & Mini-Me’s behavior laughing at Joe, and Kenley laughing at Daniel.  But I think they were all at fault.  Bert has previously come across as huffy, and probably has endearded no one in the workroom, so I can’t fault A–R & Blenley for the initial bitching.  However, after that when Bert TRIED to play, they brushed him off like the little bratty, uppity snobs they appear to be.

        • Anonymous

          “I don;t know their names because they are insignificant” End of story. He’s a classless dry drunk in need of a program

      • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

        I don’t know. Bert seems like someone who is very difficult to work with and doesn’t care to try. Maybe I’m being fooled by the editing, but it looks like he either doesn’t understand or doesn’t listen or both. Wasn’t a fan of him celebrating when the looks of his teammates were being criticized. Usually when stuff like that happens it’s a clip from something else that editors through in there, but there was no denying that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/samuel.j.donovan Samuel Joesph Donovan

        What?  Are you kidding?  They totally tried to work with him–Heidi was shooting her mouth off time and time again in the work room about the clothes needing to be work out appropriate, and Bert made a cocktail dress!  Anthony Ryan, as the team leader, TOTALLY had the right to try to course correct Bert because, had his team failed (which it did), it would have almost definitely landed in on Anthony’s head (which it did).  And then, when Bert flat out refused to make his design more athletic, Anthony and Laura both took him aside and told him ‘Fine, but if you’re going in this direction, we’re not going to defend you on the runway.’ Which he agreed to, and then acted like he had forgotten on the runway.  They weren’t bullying him–he was acting like a toddler.  If anything, they were babysitting him.

        • Anonymous

          Which brings up my other total frustration.  Heidi didn’t like Bert’s cocktail dress — not athleticy enough, but they raved over Bryce’s stupid cocktail dress.  Consistency much?!

          • Anonymous

            And then they said that Bert’s was the best of the bunch. Mystifying. 

            • Anonymous

              Bert’s WAS the best of that bunch.

            • http://profiles.google.com/drunkenhousewife Drunken Housewife

              Yes, it was the best.  If you have a sad enough group of lonely pieces of ugly clothing, Bert’s dress will be the pathetic-but not-saddest.   Bert was lucky there, all right!

              And he really won the jackpot when Clinique Counter behaved much worse than he did.  There needed to be some really rude, voice-raising and sanctimonious nastiness to outdo Bert in poor behavior, and Clinique Counter came through in spades!  

              If the rest of them continue to behave so badly and design so crappily, sour old Bert is going to waltz through to the final three.

            • Anonymous

              in a sea of crap a turd is not a winner.

          • Anonymous

            And Bryce’s dress was way too short.  I know they generally are short, but that was the first thing out of my mouth.

            • Shawn Hill

              I hated Bryce’s dress, did not expect it to get the praise it did.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

              Whenever I hear one or more of the judges babbling about how so many women could wear Bryce’s dress I just wanted to laugh..what planet do they live on?

            • Anonymous

              Yeah and I know, and that it would be super flattering to any shape.  Uhm, no.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

              Exactly! Any woman with boobs bigger than a B-cup would look too contained in that bodice. Then again, MK doesn’t design for women with boobs, anyway.

            • Anonymous

              i tried on mk pants at macy’s awhile ago when i was shopping for new work pants. omg was totally insane crotch. not designed for a human. i asked a sales person about it and she said that she heard a lot of customers comment on  it.

            • Anonymous

              Everything I’ve ever tried on by MK has fit horribly, been made of cheap fabric, and been dowdy and dull as hell.  I really don’t get the MK love.
               

            • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

              Did she mention how many of them used the exact phrase “insane crotch”?  Please tell me it was most of them:)

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

              Exactly! Any woman with boobs bigger than a B-cup would look too contained in that bodice. Then again, MK doesn’t design for women with boobs, anyway.

            • Anonymous

              Seriously!  Am I the only one who thought it made the model look about 4 months pregnant?  UNFLATTERING!  I absolutely hated that dress, and was shocked at the praise it got.  Man, they must have been smoking some GOOD crack this week.

            • Anonymous

              the waist cut and construction could be very flattering on many body types.

            • Anonymous

              Agree. You gotta have skinny legs, but a wider variety of shapes from the hips up could rock that dress than, say, could rock Bert’s or the many bandage or “overgrown t-shirt” dresses you see all over the place.

          • Anonymous

            I would not consider Bryce’s dress a cocktail dress at all. It was a cute little everyday dress (which was my favorite of everything, honestly, and I thought Bryce was certain to go this week, so I’ve surprised myself).

            • Anonymous

              Except that everyday dresses generally require that you be able to conduct activities of daily living (bend, carry, lift, sit, move etc) and Bryce’s dress was waaay to short to do anything but prance down a runway.
              Another two inches in length and it would’ve been a great little everyday dress.

            • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

              cant stand bryce, didnt like his dress–but it wasnt a cocktail dress. it was a too-short run around town dress, so okay w/ sneakers. thats the best i will probably ever say for him.

          • Anonymous

            For what it’s worth, I thought Bryce’s dress at least nodded much more to sportswear and had some casual detailing–I mean, it was made of denim, for one thing–and was far more plausible with the sneakers. Furthermore, it was just a more interesting, unusual dress. I thought the “cocktail waitress” comment was pretty dead-on for Bert’s: as a cocktail dress in and of itself, it was pretty eh, but as a waitress uniform it was a knockout. I have seen a million waitresses in nice-ish bars wearing tight miniskirts and simple tops with black sneakers. (Bert’s top definitely did have more to it than your average cocktail waitress’s, but the silhouette is the same.)

            I’d take Bryce’s over Bert’s any day of the week, easy. (I agree that “not athleticy enough” was bullshit–nobody succeeded at that–but Bryce’s did come closer to recognizing what the challenge was actually about, IMO.)

          • Anonymous

            Bryce’s dress looked to me like what one does when confronted with a sudden, unpredicted rainstorm and cuts head- and armholes into a garbage bag and slings it over one’s clothes as a makeshift rain poncho. Being too short was the least of his garment’s problems.

        • Anonymous

          Which brings up my other total frustration.  Heidi didn’t like Bert’s cocktail dress — not athleticy enough, but they raved over Bryce’s stupid cocktail dress.  Consistency much?!

        • Anonymous

          I agree that Anthony’s handling of Bert was the best he could do. And Bert is a big baby, that’s for sure. However, on the runway, Anthony and Laura made a big deal out of how hard it was to work with Bert (which was the truth, I’m not saying they lied), when the biggest problem(s) with their “collection” in the end was not Bert’s outfit. His outfit may not have fit the (unclear) parameters of the challenge (as osu86 pointed out below, the judges praised one cocktail dress and then berated another), but it was the most well constructed of the three outfits their team presented. Once Anthony saw it would be impossible to course correct Bert, he should have focused more on his and Laura’s outfits to make them excellent instead of getting so caught up in keeping Bert in line. So when the team failed, Anthony certainly deserved to be on the chopping block, in my opinion (although I am glad Danielle when home instead of him).

          I didn’t get the impression that Bert “forgot” about their agreement (that he would sink or swim on his outfit alone, that Anthony and Laura would not defend him). I got the impression that Laura and Anthony tried to use their conflict with Bert to justify their own terrible outfits (which Bert had no input on), saying they were so distracted by trying to correct/help Bert that they couldn’t manage to get their own outfits done. Bert’s was the one of the three the judges liked best, so bringing up the fact that Bert was difficult to work with in relation to the other two outfits was moot.Bert needs to get over himself, learn to cooperate and be less of an a-hole, there is no question (and his celebratory reactions on the runway were uncalled for). I liked him during the first challenge, but now I pretty much haven’t liked his attitude or his designs. I’m not saying he was in the right here; the whole team imploded, that’s for sure. But I saw a lot wrong with Anthony and Laura’s runway explanation as well (although of course the episode editing could be misleading).

          • Anonymous

            I got kind of more the feeling that they were just incredibly fed up and upset and tired and when the subject of conflict came up it was off to the races. I also think that there’s an element of wanting the judges to KNOW, DAMMIT, that this person SUCKS. Is that super mature or rational? No. But it’s pretty much exactly how almost anybody feels in this kind of situation.

        • Anonymous

          Except for the simple fact that Bert made a better outfit than either of them, they wouldn’t shut up about how bad his judgement was. but guess who put his money where his mouth was? Bert.
          They were eager to criticize Bert’s choices and wouldn’t listen to his own concerns about their designs. But guess who’s instinct turned out to be right. Bert’s did…

          Don’t get me wrong, Bert is still acting like the kind of senile old man that it is simultaneously an old cranky 85 year old asshole and a ‘i hate you forever nobody understands me, fuck all y’all you don’t me!” 15 year old. Buuuuuut, this time around he has the benefit of being right.
          If i were in his shoes and spent the last 24 hours being told how wrong i was, how much the judges were going to hate my outfit and being dismissed for suggesting that the other two’s designs weren’t going to work, and then in the end the judges like my outfit the best and criticized the other two designers work, then you know what? I’d be happy and revel in their failure of the others also…

          So yeah, F you Anthony Ryan and Little Miss Privileged I forget your name, for making me have to defend the behavior of a Old Man Queen Bitch Child…

          • Anonymous

            You’re spot on.  As I said before in other postings on the official PR blogs, Bert wasn’t innocent in this.  But he was wronged, and unlike the other two designers put out a great outfit.

            Bert needs to improve his attitude.

            All of the designers have talent, but I was disgusted this week with their attitude.

            • Anonymous

              Of all the designers that shouldn’t have won the very first challenge of the season it would be Bert.
              By that i mean i think he would have been better of not winning that challenge and it actually hurt his standing and his attitude by winning right out of the gate.
              He wins, then he has immunity and sits it out, then the next week it’s a group challenge and as soon as his name is paired with another designer that designer says out loud how much he doesn’t want to work with him. It pretty much guarantees that he is gonna be on the defensive and that he is gonna see himself as the talented victim. Kinda makes you wonder what would have happened if he had been teamed with someone that wouldn’t have been so immediately dismissive of him in that first team challenge. This could have been a whole different competition. Maybe old man Queen Mary just needs a big hug from somebody.
              However, i think it’s just as likely he still would have been a dick and still could have acted the same way…

              We all saw how during that first few days he was humbled by the judges and learned from their criticism and then won the first challenge. And this week he got walked all over and ignored and dismissed and then backed up his attitude with work that got good marks and got him to the next round. It lets you know that somewhere in there he’s capable of certain things, but his attitude is still his attitude and ultimately he responsible for that, no matter how other people treat him. Then again, Becky is pretty much the opposite of Bert and bent over backwards to work with her team, so what can you do? He probably needs more of those humbling moments if he wants to make it beyond the next couple weeks.

            • Anonymous

              He is classless.

            • Anonymous

              Bert is a grown ass man with an insecurity complex. He needs to address what put  his ass in the bottom of a bottle for so many years in the first place.

          • Anonymous

            You’re spot on.  As I said before in other postings on the official PR blogs, Bert wasn’t innocent in this.  But he was wronged, and unlike the other two designers put out a great outfit.

            Bert needs to improve his attitude.

            All of the designers have talent, but I was disgusted this week with their attitude.

          • Anonymous

            You’re spot on.  As I said before in other postings on the official PR blogs, Bert wasn’t innocent in this.  But he was wronged, and unlike the other two designers put out a great outfit.

            Bert needs to improve his attitude.

            All of the designers have talent, but I was disgusted this week with their attitude.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1374511853 Sara Yungwirth

            I agree with you, but definitely I think Bert should have gone about the challenge in a much more agreeable way. Because I think if I were Anthony Ryan and Laura, I would have much easier listened to and agreed with someone who was willing to work with me and compromise. I think that would have really made a difference in their final result.

            • Anonymous

              Yeah, except that when you watch it when they are sketching he brought them ideas and they pretty much laughed, scoffed and dismissed them and they pretty much distanced themselves from him right away, even after he was picked last. To me that showed that he actually did attempt to help out the team.
              Then later in the work room they laughed, scoffed and dismissed him. Then when they had the fittings they laughed, scoffed and dismissed him. Then on the runway they laughed, scoffed and dismissed him. Then when the judges turned out to like Bert’s design and thought their designs they shut the fuck up pretty quickly.

              From what i saw Bert did in fact make an effort. I don’t doubt that he probably abandoned that pretty quickly and maybe he should have tried harder and that would be all on him absolutely and maybe it was a feigned effort and just an excuse to go back to being Old Bitchy Bert, but it does appear that even that small bit of effort was still more than either Anthony Ryan and Laura put into it.
              And again, Bert turned out to be right… this time at least.

            • Anonymous

              Yeah, except that when you watch it when they are sketching he brought them ideas and they pretty much laughed, scoffed and dismissed them and they pretty much distanced themselves from him right away, even after he was picked last. To me that showed that he actually did attempt to help out the team.
              Then later in the work room they laughed, scoffed and dismissed him. Then when they had the fittings they laughed, scoffed and dismissed him. Then on the runway they laughed, scoffed and dismissed him. Then when the judges turned out to like Bert’s design and thought their designs they shut the fuck up pretty quickly.

              From what i saw Bert did in fact make an effort. I don’t doubt that he probably abandoned that pretty quickly and maybe he should have tried harder and that would be all on him absolutely and maybe it was a feigned effort and just an excuse to go back to being Old Bitchy Bert, but it does appear that even that small bit of effort was still more than either Anthony Ryan and Laura put into it.
              And again, Bert turned out to be right… this time at least.

          • Anonymous

            Watching the ‘team’ dynamics unfold before and after the runway was horrible and takes away from the pleasure of being with the challenge, no matter how problematic it is. Somehow I think the dysfunction got indirectly translated into the clothing of Anthony and Laura  –beyond their airing their difficulties on the runway (that was horrible too).  Anthony in particular seemed flummoxed by those shoes  –the dress is SO bad that it contradicts how fundamentally talented I believe he is as a designer. 

            I cringe routinely at all Bert’s interactions with others (except possibly Heidi running in her super feline high heels with him over the finish line). It is hard to witness someone so fundamentally uncomfortable in/with his own skin. Painful painful painful. 

          • BuffaloBarbara

            Right there with you.  They should have listened because he was right, despite being a jackass.  That they didn’t made them come off as spoiled and petulant brats who figured an old guy couldn’t say anything they needed to hear.

        • Anonymous

          I respect your opinion.  I disagree with it, as Anthony did say from the ‘get go’ that he didn’t want Bert on the team.  And he flat out told his fellow designer that ‘Bert would be OUT’.

          • Anonymous

            Gretchen thinking right there on his part. Only difference was Anthony actually WAS the leader of the team, unlike Gretchen, who self-appointed herself.

        • http://inkyheels.tumblr.com Inky Heels

          I disagree that they tried to work with him.  They both had snotty, entitled, “ye gods we have to work with the old guy” attitudes from the get go. Their ideas were not good. That patterned fabric they loved so much was hideous and looked cheap.  I was surprised Bert could turn it into a relatively decent top.  However, Bert also has a terrible, crotchety and more designer than thou attitude so it was a disaster team-up on all accounts. But to say that those two “tried to work with him” is bs.  Those two were just comrades who are equally self-absorbed and filled with self-congratulatory delusion.  I don’t blame him for splitting off and doing his own thing.

          • Anonymous

            Ok, but what about his previous poor showing in the team challenge when he was paired with Viktor and acted appallingly? Also, I don’t think their or anybody’s reluctance to work with him stemmed from age but from his inability to play nicely with others.

            • http://inkyheels.tumblr.com Inky Heels

              I agree that he is no better at all and has been bitchy from the start.  But the other two had nothing going for them either in this situation, at least in my opinion.  There are serious attitude problems on this season of the show but that does make for entertaining watching!

          • Anonymous

            anthony ryan is, like, as far away from snotty and entitled as one can get (laura, on the other hand…). for one, i don’t think i’ve ever heard a designer immediately apologize to another for “cussing at you on the runway,” and literally from the second they woke up that day — when anthony ryan was still in BED — bert was bitching at him and copping such a major tude. i swear, homeboy has so much more patience than i would ever in a million years have.  

            • http://inkyheels.tumblr.com Inky Heels

              Ohhh shoot I just realized I confused Anthony Ryan with the leader guy that
              was on Becky’s team b/c he and Bert had “words!”   I concur that I’ve not seen
              Anthony Ryan be snotty and entitled. That Laura though – ugh.  She’s
              self-absorbed enough for all of them!  I am loving this season’s group so far
              but I’m agreeing with TLO’s rant re the producer manipulation.  Conspicuous!

               

          • Anonymous

            They didn’t not want to work with him because he’s the “old guy,” they didn’t want to work with because he has a shitty attitude and HE’S NOT A TEAM PLAYER. They saw the way he did crap-all when he had immunity in the second challenge and they saw the way he acted with Viktor when they were paired up. I wouldn’t have picked him either. His age and his aesthetic had nothing to do with it.

            • http://inkyheels.tumblr.com Inky Heels

              Read my other comments re Bert sweetums.  I’m not glossing over Bert’s behavior.  I’m just not giving the other two a free pass either.

            • Anonymous

              Oh, they handled it badly (or just gave up too soon), but I’m still kind of amazed at all of the Bert support in evidence here. ;-)

          • Anonymous

            Oh yeah – he hasn’t earned an ounce of that reputation. Is this your first time watching?

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            the thing is: none of their ideas have been good, not since day one. even when they won it was for a copy of someone else’s very famous but not that great of an idea. they consider themselves, if not one another, more awe-inspiring than is earned by the entirety of the room, including bert, in toto.

            tired, here.
            back to work again.

      • Anonymous

        I take it you don’t remember Bert saying that he “doesn’t care to interact with people” because they “are just not that significant”? Mmm. Yah ok. You’re right. That’s the stellar kind of attitude one needs in a team challenge. It must be everyone else’s fault they couldn’t cooperate, and surely can’t be blamed on Mr. “I’m not going to change anything for you, you’re stupid because you’re from the Midwest or wherever.” Riiiiight. If Bert were a young gay guy and not an old one he would be torn apart like Joshua is being now. He was far more snotty and dismissive than anyone else this episode and has been all season. Age does not give one carte blanche to be an asshole. You haven’t “earned” shit, so calm it down. He can’t possibly have gone on this show thinking that he wouldn’t have to interact with people under 30.

        • Anonymous

          I never said Bert was completely innocent in this.  I did say that from the get go, Anthony Ryan did not want Bert on the team. And when he was placed on Anthony’s team … each and every idea he had, was completely dismissed.  And that Bert was treated like a third wheel, as was Becky.

          Maybe if Bert’s fellow designers weren’t incessantly dissing his ‘age’, ‘talent’, sewing skill etc…. maybe he wouldn’t have said that he didn’t want to ‘interact’ with the other designers.

          Remember Michael Castillo from last season?  He was treated the same way as Bert and Becky.  And I defended HIM to.

          My ‘input’ has ‘nothing’ to do with AGE, and everything to do with the actions of the designers, and even Tim Gunn.

          • Anonymous

            WHO WOULD WANT BERT ON A TEAM? He is an ignoramus! He plays this poor victimized man AT HIS AGE!!!!!!! And then says He cant bother to remember their names because they are insignificant. COME ON!

            • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

              he may be testy, he may yak to himself behind the backs of all the other contestants, he may may make garments way too conservative for me to find interesting but he is certainly not ignorant. he may be burnt out–cant blame him for that, personally–but he does know what he’s doing. & w/ the burgeoning shitpile, if you will, of 8th grade cliquishness festering in those apartments, i can blame him for wanting to keep a distance from it either.

        • Anonymous

          I myself haven’t forgotten anything that was said by any of them.  I agree that Bert’s attitude sucks ass.  But he didn’t force them to make those hideous garments.  There is no excuse for those shorts that Anthony made, no excuse at all.  Working with a jackass doesn’t explain those shorts.  He made halfway decent garments and he they made two piles of shit that were a waste of fabric.  You can’t lay the blame for that at Bert’s feet, he wasn’t the team captain and didn’t hold a gun to their heads and tell them to sew like a pair of 1st graders on a toy sewing machine.  My six year old granddaughter sews better than that.

          • Anonymous

            Anthony said in his first words that he hated his own garment, on the runway – period. He did not try to blame ANYONE for the outfit. Attitude and garments were separate issues.

            • Anonymous

              Whether he hated his garment is beside the point.  The point is he made it, he made that totally shitty garment and then sent it down the runway.  And no one is to blame for THAT but him.

        • Anonymous

          I myself haven’t forgotten anything that was said by any of them.  I agree that Bert’s attitude sucks ass.  But he didn’t force them to make those hideous garments.  There is no excuse for those shorts that Anthony made, no excuse at all.  Working with a jackass doesn’t explain those shorts.  He made halfway decent garments and he they made two piles of shit that were a waste of fabric.  You can’t lay the blame for that at Bert’s feet, he wasn’t the team captain and didn’t hold a gun to their heads and tell them to sew like a pair of 1st graders on a toy sewing machine.  My six year old granddaughter sews better than that.

      • Anonymous

        you nailed it. i am not buying the bitching about bert anymore. and wtf, basically josh picked becky to be the seamstress because pagent queen can’t sew anything complicated. and hello, the back of the fug maxi dress is the same back she did on the first challenge top. i am also so ashamed of tim selling out. where was his honesty? i am really disgusted right now. 

      • Anonymous

        Bert’s gleefully nasty behavior on the runway while Anthony and Laura were getting critiqued was shocking. I teach six-year-old kids who are more gracious than that. Immature, tacky behavior. For shame. And he’s supposed to be the “adult?”

        • Anonymous

          Anthony took full responsibility for that heinous shorts getup -  when it walked the runway and the  minute critique started – Where people are getting the idea that these kids were blaming Bert’s attitude for the garments comes from is baffling to me.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fiddlecub Kevin VanOrd

            They did blame Bert’s attitude, very clearly. People are “getting the idea” from the reality of the episode. 

            Direct quotes follow: 

            Nina: “Instead of focusing so much time on Bert, you should have spent more time on your outfit.”

            Michael: “The other two were so wrapped up in this war that you ended up with a mess.”

            Anthony: “All I can say is that I just caught up in trying to work with everyone.” 

            Laura: “It was just distracting and hard, yeah, not everything we were hoping for.”

            The blame was deflected by the contestants in their statements, and iterated in the judges’ feedback. It isn’t baffling at all that people would state that Anthony and Laura blamed Bert. 

            That said, I am shocked by the entire team’s behavior, but Anthony and Laura both attempted to deflect the blame for their outfits. Not fully, of course; they took partial responsibility. But they clearly identified Bert as an obstacle that stood between them and the success of their garments, in so many words. Nothing baffling about that. 

      • Anonymous

        Oh man, “pulled a Gretchen” is right.  Also, I can’t remember which judge said it, but when they were deliberating and one of them said something along the lines of, I can’t remember the last time there was this much disagreement (or drama or whatever it was) in a team challenge, I wanted to scream at them, “Have you already forgotten Gretchen and the team mini-collection challenge last season???”

        Anyway, I’m kind of over this season.  There’s no one particularly likeable or talented or interesting or anything.

        • Anonymous

          Nina evidently forgot the time Santino made her fear for her life (as described by Tim at the time) during the judging of the season 2 lingerie challenge. The producers were seriously considering calling in the police.

    • taodon

      I agree 100% with everything… see how much more mature I am than Bert now?

      • Anonymous

        DAMN straight. If I wanted to watch psychotic bullies sniping at each other I would … be in a mental institution due to my total break with reality.

        This season has been extremely disappointing. Just a bunch of nasty, nasty people.

        • Anonymous

          I just watched season one again and OMG the talent is SO MUCH higher than anything anyone has produced on this crew. These asshats make me yearn for the demure Wendy Pepper. She was reasonable  human being compared to this collection or reality show caricature personality disorders.

      • Anonymous

        EXACTLY!

    • Anonymous

      I do not understand how the judges praised the back of Anya, oh I mean “Josh’s” winning look!  It is the same back Anya makes EVERY SINGLE TIME!  How is this remarkable AT ALL?  Grrr.

      • Deana Grenberg

        And that horrible, horrible zipper.  Sewn onto the OUTSIDE of the garment.  uch.  Was she trying to prove that her “I just learned to sew” schtick was for real?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

          Awful.  I was surprised that didn’t get called out.

          • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

            …and it never will. For some reason, the judges adore her, even though she turns out the same silhouette and uses the same techniques every time, with very little variation. I think her jumpsuit is the most interesting thing she’s done so far, but even that was quite simple.

        • Anonymous

          Well, I think Josh added both the racing stripe on the front and the external zipper on the back.

          But I could be mistaken.

      • Deana Grenberg

        And that horrible, horrible zipper.  Sewn onto the OUTSIDE of the garment.  uch.  Was she trying to prove that her “I just learned to sew” schtick was for real?

      • Anonymous

        They shut down the first dress Josh designed but Becky sewed (with the horizontal denim blue stripes and panels down each side) because someone does one every week, then raved about the dress Anya designed but Becky sewed that Anya does every week.

      • Anonymous

        Not to mention it was AWFUL.

      • Anonymous

        Not to mention it was AWFUL.

    • http://www.facebook.com/samuel.j.donovan Samuel Joesph Donovan

      UGH, HAD IT with Josh M.

    • http://twitter.com/thedogsmother thedogsmother

      spot on!

    • Anonymous

      This was the “I killed a guy with a trident!” episode.

    • http://twitter.com/ILikeShiny Cindi Williams

      I feel about Josh and Bert the way Christine felt about Mark on Ugly Betty: “You’re the only gay(s) I don’t like”.

    • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

      I hate this season. I have liked maybe 2 garments that have gone down the runway. I thought Bert was going to be awesome after episode 1, but he’s a jerk. Clinique is a jerk. I bet Anya is going to turn into a mean girl.

      I like Kimberley and Becky, and Blenley a little bit, though when Anthony Ryan came back and she cried with him about how much they went through, all I could think of was “first world problems.”

      I understand that everyone liked Josh C. so that’s why they chose him, but why not Julie? Wasn’t her forte athletic style clothing? Or am  I remembering wrong?

      • Anonymous

        It was kind of jaw-dropping how not one person peeped “Julie”! I wasn’t a fan but I mean, COME ON. Can you imagine her sitting there watching this on television? Thanks guys.

        • http://twitter.com/alienspouse Jen Alien-Spouse

          And also why the hell did Viktor listen to who his competitors thought should come back? Because I can’t imagine for one moment they were trying to improve his team against their own. Elizabeth is absolutely right, this was squarely in Julie’s field of expertise and they just did not care. Ugh.

          • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

            The whole episode gave me flash-backs to high school. Gross.

      • Anonymous

        It was kind of jaw-dropping how not one person peeped “Julie”! I wasn’t a fan but I mean, COME ON. Can you imagine her sitting there watching this on television? Thanks guys.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1374511853 Sara Yungwirth

        Yeah I was surprised when everyone wanted Josh C back
        I never liked either of the ‘designs’ that he made. Both were just too boring in my opinion.
        At least Julie had a more interesting aesthetic, plus she was the most previously auf’ed contestant. =

        • Anonymous

          And sportswear is supposed to be her forte. This was probably “her” challenge.

          • Anonymous

            I guess it would make sense to bring back someone who would not be competition to you, who had no chance of beating you.

    • http://twitter.com/NostalgiaOD NostalgiaOD

      This episode was so full of assholes it really made me rethink joining up for another season.  I really should have dumped this show after the whole Gretchen Jones debacle.  Last night was gross and offensive and I am so disappointed that what used to be a great show has turned into a typical reality show crap fest.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        … and by “like”, I mean “agree” and “dislike”.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        … and by “like”, I mean “agree” and “dislike”.

      • Anonymous

        Ridiculous I want my 90minutes back AND TIM GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am flummoxed by his behavior. 

    • Anonymous

      Yes Clinique was a major brat and I wanted to slug him. You’re right Anya is a bit of a player probably from having to survive the pageant circuit, however she came off much nicer in my opinion. She at least acknowledge Becky must be feeling kind of frustrated from the team dynamic. Shitty to give him the win with Victor

      • Anonymous

        Anya was only comforting her to keep Becky sewing for them.  Typical popular school girl stuff… be nice to the unpopular girl so she will give you the test answers and do your research paper…poor Becky had to deal with snotty Cecelia in the morning in the room and deal with this shit with the pretty plastic people all day and night. Go Becky, take this as a lesson and show them your stuff!

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I think it’s possible and even likely that you’re right, but honestly, we’ve seen nothing to suggest it other than the behavior of other pretty, popular girls.

          • Anonymous

            Come on.. That’s doing a lot of reading into what ANY decent  person would do.

      • Anonymous

        I think Anya’s acknowledgement of Becky was completely disingenuous. The meeting in the Ladies Room was an opportunity for her to play Becky and play to the cameras — girlfriend never forgets the cameras.

        • Anonymous

          We haven’t seen Anya be too mean, have we? I think Clinique was out of line, but it would have been a tough situation to handle for anyone.

          • Anonymous

            I KNOW! WHAT is with the Anya hate? ! People DO read some  stuff into things dont they? 

          • http://www.facebook.com/andrepoernomo Andre Poernomo

            Anya knows she can’t be mean to anyone. Otherwise, who on earth is going to sew her garments???

    • Anonymous

      agreed.  you hit all the points i’d hoped you would, and i’m glad b-m have such sharp voices critiquing their bullshit.

      • Anonymous

        …and now that picture is seared into my brain….

    • http://twitter.com/LaurenJeanSTM Lauren St. Martin

      Right on about everything. Though I do think Burt came off looking worse than Josh, but I’m sure you’re going to address that soon enough.  

      Oh, and Bryce? Definitely likes the boys.

      • Anonymous

        How?  For laughing and celebrating when the people who slammed him for 24 straight hours were called on the crap they came up with while slamming him non-stop. 
        Don’t get me wrong I am not on a Bert-train – but I cannot see the issue with him from what we saw this week. 
        They said NO to everything he suggested, gave him no choice in any of the fabrics, criticized everything he did.  If Anthony at some point would have pulled back and said look the theme of our looks is Workout wear with these specific fabrics – and then CONCENTRATED on his own work, he could have defended himself on the runway…. We discussed and I chose this plan, I tried to lead my team, but realized that at some point I do not have power / control to force him to comply , so we (he and Laura) continued with the plan (and SEE how well we did )

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for pointing out that from the get go Bert’s team said, “No” to everything he suggested, from fabric choices on.  I think Bert doesn’t have good people skills, and that sets him up for bad team experiences.  Bert and his team mates got off on the wrong foot with each other.

          My mom would have said he brings it on himself.  He did have some provocation though.

        • Anonymous

          No one likes Bert. No one in that workroom–they all say they don’t want to work with him, that he mutters under his breath, that he makes snide comments, is argumentative. We don’t see much of him in the apartment but I have a feeling he does nothing but make fun of his roommates, stays in the bathroom for hours at end, has claimed the entire closet for his clothes because he doesn’t believe in fairness, and ate all the Pop Tarts. We do not know or understand anything beyond what is edited but the simple fact that no one wants him on their team, which says to me volumes. He’s a jerk all the time.

          Now, Josh may not have made friends this episode, but at least he did apologize (believe it or not, whatever) so he tried to iron out the wrinkles at least so they could get the challenge done, and I bet people would choose Josh for their teams in he future, even if he did come across as nasty. Josh almost, to me, seemed to be tired and bitchy and said some stupid things. I know no one reading this blog could even begin to understand that. He was a jerk this time, but not all the time.

          Bert’s teammates dismissed everything he sketched, which I understand after seeing the sketches, but I have a feeling that if they said “ok” to one of them, Bert would say he didn’t like that one and wouldn’t do it after all or something. Bert just has to argue everything.

          • Anonymous

             Nice.   You ” have a feeling he does . . . ” 

            This kind of crap seems to have started with the other contestants in the first episode. 

            Chubby, cranky, older person – MUST be an asshole.

            I did not get on the Bert train the first episode like many here – because I was waiting to see what he did and how he acted. 
            BUT -and I am a 50 y.o. myself – I could recognize that some people were going to slam him just because of his age.
             
            He was prejudged and labeled – and I can see that based on your “suppositions – you seem to be doing the same thing.

            • Anonymous

              Really? Seems like everybody went from loving him the first episode to hating him now. How is that prejudging and not “amending one’s opinion in light of observed behavior?”

              Old people who are assholes are still assholes, even if they’re old. Nobody thought Peach was “crotchety” last season and she is surely 50ish.

            • Anonymous

              Really? Seems like everybody went from loving him the first episode to hating him now. How is that prejudging and not “amending one’s opinion in light of observed behavior?”

              Old people who are assholes are still assholes, even if they’re old. Nobody thought Peach was “crotchety” last season and she is surely 50ish.

            • Anonymous

              Agreed, says this 47-year-old. It’s not because he’s “the old guy,” it’s because he’s a snotty jack-hole. Bert acts worse than the kids I teach. And that’s a bit of an insult to the kids to even mention him in the same sentence.

            • Anonymous

              actually, as I’m nearing 40, his age has nothing to do with my post–I was thinking it was great he was going on this show, being older myself, and was looking forward to him being the kind of mentor that Peach was perhaps. He had great credentials and I liked his first outfit, but seeing his snideness to the other contestants is what gave me the impression of how Bert is. Sure, they could easily have dismissed him as the old dude from the start, and I’m sure there is a lot to that, but Peach, Mila, Seth–none of them were dismissed by their groups for their age, so I do think (and yes, “think” rather than “know for sure”) that he is just not nice to even be around, much less work with, age aside. I have heard no one in this group say “Bert is old, so I don’t like him” or even anything veiled as an age-ism comment.
              And t_j, I forgot about the sanitary product line, and the “40 and death” comment. Those were unsavory to say the least and I agree with you there. All in all, though, Josh acted badly this one episode. My dislike of Bert has been growing for the past 3 and even now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

            • Anonymous

              actually, as I’m nearing 40, his age has nothing to do with my post–I was thinking it was great he was going on this show, being older myself, and was looking forward to him being the kind of mentor that Peach was perhaps. He had great credentials and I liked his first outfit, but seeing his snideness to the other contestants is what gave me the impression of how Bert is. Sure, they could easily have dismissed him as the old dude from the start, and I’m sure there is a lot to that, but Peach, Mila, Seth–none of them were dismissed by their groups for their age, so I do think (and yes, “think” rather than “know for sure”) that he is just not nice to even be around, much less work with, age aside. I have heard no one in this group say “Bert is old, so I don’t like him” or even anything veiled as an age-ism comment.
              And t_j, I forgot about the sanitary product line, and the “40 and death” comment. Those were unsavory to say the least and I agree with you there. All in all, though, Josh acted badly this one episode. My dislike of Bert has been growing for the past 3 and even now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

            • Anonymous

              actually, as I’m nearing 40, his age has nothing to do with my post–I was thinking it was great he was going on this show, being older myself, and was looking forward to him being the kind of mentor that Peach was perhaps. He had great credentials and I liked his first outfit, but seeing his snideness to the other contestants is what gave me the impression of how Bert is. Sure, they could easily have dismissed him as the old dude from the start, and I’m sure there is a lot to that, but Peach, Mila, Seth–none of them were dismissed by their groups for their age, so I do think (and yes, “think” rather than “know for sure”) that he is just not nice to even be around, much less work with, age aside. I have heard no one in this group say “Bert is old, so I don’t like him” or even anything veiled as an age-ism comment.
              And t_j, I forgot about the sanitary product line, and the “40 and death” comment. Those were unsavory to say the least and I agree with you there. All in all, though, Josh acted badly this one episode. My dislike of Bert has been growing for the past 3 and even now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

            • Anonymous

              actually, as I’m nearing 40, his age has nothing to do with my post–I was thinking it was great he was going on this show, being older myself, and was looking forward to him being the kind of mentor that Peach was perhaps. He had great credentials and I liked his first outfit, but seeing his snideness to the other contestants is what gave me the impression of how Bert is. Sure, they could easily have dismissed him as the old dude from the start, and I’m sure there is a lot to that, but Peach, Mila, Seth–none of them were dismissed by their groups for their age, so I do think (and yes, “think” rather than “know for sure”) that he is just not nice to even be around, much less work with, age aside. I have heard no one in this group say “Bert is old, so I don’t like him” or even anything veiled as an age-ism comment.
              And t_j, I forgot about the sanitary product line, and the “40 and death” comment. Those were unsavory to say the least and I agree with you there. All in all, though, Josh acted badly this one episode. My dislike of Bert has been growing for the past 3 and even now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

            • Anonymous

              “I don’t know they’re names because they are insignificant.” I’m no spring chicken either and that man deserves every bit of damnation he gets for his attitude.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_56DPRFBMRP4MZCICMG6X6GBMIA t_j_newton

            Yeah, Josh “apologized” and then promptly made some snide comment about women’s “sanitary products.” Because being in the same space as hypothetical tampons is just soooooooooooo gross. I’ve been tired and bitchy before, and been around tired, bitchy people, and not a single one of them whipped out a misogynist “joke” unless they’re misogynist douchebags in general. Fuck that guy.

            And before someone goes on a “you’re a humorless feminist rant,” please, keep in mind that I was consistently accused of hating women last season because I didn’t like Gretchen, so I’ll thank you to keep the bitchiness consistent.

            • Anonymous

              Yep, ok, I had forgotten this. I agree with you about this–just awful. I still like Josh’s designs and I suppose I’m really hoping he was just being a jerk this episode. Should he continue to make me uncomfortable, as he admittedly did and I hated that he did because I previously just adored him, I will be saying the same things about him 3 episodes down the line. I thought Bert was ok the first episode, but his attitude has rubbed me the wrong way since. It could easily happen with one of the others.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kate-Gavin/1348043222 Kate Gavin

              Sorry, he’s been a jerk in every episode so far.  I hate this season more than last season and I didn’t think that was possible.

              Bert is a bit of a jerk but nothing he’s done made him deserve the treatment he got last night.  Nor Becky either.  They’re not young and lack perfect figures.  In this day and age, it is a crime apparently.

          • Anonymous

            He’s a repulsive person. He probably has been for a long time – He quit the biz and spent years in the bottle for a reason.

        • Anonymous

          Yes! This!!!

      • averill stevenson

        I think Bert was a model of restraint, compared to what I would have been doing:  Gleefully flippin the finger and doing the sassy black girl neck-bobbing, going MMM-hmmm, THAT’s right!  Snap!   At least, that is what I was actually doing, at home, at the time, on his behalf.   Except I CANNOT get that neck-bob thing down…
         

        • Anonymous

          A model of restraint. ARE YOU HIGH!? AN adult fist pumping on the runway at the critique of another WHO JUST ADMITTED THE GARMENT WAS BAD. You’re trolling right?

    • Rebecca Zmarzly

      My favorite part of “Josh’s” winning entry is that the racing stripe in the front is barely tacked down at the bottom and the bottom of the zipper on the “super trendy” racerback was just floating around in the breeze. Bug or feature? You decide.

      I have been on the I heart Becky train from the beginning, and honestly, seeing her intro video was one of the only things that made me watch this season after firmly declaring I was done after Wretchen’s win last season. Douchebag Mean Girl’s treatment of her in this episode is just about *this close* to making me delete the show out of my DVR again. Seriously, BM, stop with the crap and let this show breathe and get back to normal.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12315747 Caitlin Steinert

        Bug. Total bug. Those details bothered me, too.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12315747 Caitlin Steinert

        Bug. Total bug. Those details bothered me, too.

      • http://profiles.google.com/tarasana Tara Murray

        The attachment of the decoration of the front totally bothered me too!  It was like they basted it on and didn’t finish it. It bothered me the entire show!  Glue would have even been a better option then flapping around.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you!  My problem was she told Heidi and Tim what her team (meaning Josh and Anya) were doing to her, and instead of encouraging her …..both Heidi and Tim contributed to the bullying acting like it was HER fault!  No wonder she burst into TEARS, as JOSHUA became even MORE arrogant and asinine in his treatment of HER!  It wasn’t like she wasn’t in the TOP last week!

        And to then to hear the judges say ……’well’ ……he catered to the ‘strengths’ of the team ……I wanted to ‘strike’ the TV!  They also contributed to demeaning her!

      • Anonymous

        I couldn’t believe that the judges had any praise at all for that dress, much less giving the win to Josh, who had nothing to do with the garment except the addition of that hideous racing stripe down the middle of the dress.  That racing stripe was hideous.  It would have been hideous even if it was attached properly.  And that zipper was just tacky.

        And poor Becky.  She’s a nice girl with real skills and talent, and they treated her like some sort of low-life handmaiden.  She actually took it much better than I would have.  I’d have been in Josh’s face and slapping that that eye-rolling smirk off his face.  He’s adopted the pose of bitchy queen and he plays it with over-the-top gusto.  He’s giving bitchy queens a bad name.

    • Joe J

      Seriously, there was so much back-stabbing and in-fighting in this episode that if Eve White ever sat down and watched it, she’d say “Damn, even -I- can’t keep track of how many faces YOU bitches have.”

    • Joe J

      Seriously, there was so much back-stabbing and in-fighting in this episode that if Eve White ever sat down and watched it, she’d say “Damn, even -I- can’t keep track of how many faces YOU bitches have.”

    • Anonymous

      I hated the whole episode.

    • Anonymous

      I hated the whole episode.

    • m. violet ether

      Ms. Josh  (aka the Pet Shop Boi in my circle of friends) needs to stop trying to make fetch happen.  

    • m. violet ether

      Ms. Josh  (aka the Pet Shop Boi in my circle of friends) needs to stop trying to make fetch happen.  

    • scottyf

      There’s a reason that the Grimm Brothers made Cinderella’s stepsisters beautiful. Josh has really proven the passage “Fair of face, but vile and black of heart.”

    • scottyf

      There’s a reason that the Grimm Brothers made Cinderella’s stepsisters beautiful. Josh has really proven the passage “Fair of face, but vile and black of heart.”

      • Anonymous

        Josh makes me think of Shakespeare. Specifically Hamlet, talking to a skull:
        “Now, get you to my lady’s chamber, and tell her, let her paint an inch thick, to this favor she must come.”

        • scottyf

          Ahhh! A poster after my own heart. Watch it: quoting Shakespeare gets me excited.

          How about:
          “Away, and mock the time with fairest show: 
          False face must hide what the false heart doth know.

          –Macbeth  act I, scene VII

          • Anonymous

            Nooooooo!   Don’t quote the Scottish play! 

          • Anonymous

            Nooooooo!   Don’t quote the Scottish play! 

          • Anonymous

            Shakespeare, Shmakespeare, Josh, Smosh. What about that boyfriend of yours, Scotty? First time he gets mad at you he’ll pretend he doesn’t know your name.

            • scottyf

              That’s okay. I’ll tell him that a little anonymous sex every now and then can be fun.

            • Anonymous

              Stop! I’m already traumatized by your having gone from Maya Angelou to Kama Bertra in a single comment!!

        • Anonymous

          Or Anya: “Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under’t.”

          • scottyf

            Gooooood one!!!!

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      but pink twink didnt make that one! not that he actually made any of em–becky, his servant, did. but that thing’s supposed to be anya’s! he won cos of the weird ugly net thing. & shorts, i think. something like that.

      &, btw, becky made anya’s too.

      speaking of: anya was bad again this week? i thought she was better. but i may have thought she was better in relation to all around conceit & unfilled underwear, there. he was so bad, so bad, i couldnt see anything else.

      viktor shoulda won, viktor’s team shoulda won. dont like viktor as a person much myself, but that doesnt mean he didnt make the best stuff this week. so did his team. not that anything out there was great, but, then again, nothing has been.

      what a dreadful season. what a dreadful episode.

      • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

        “what a dreadful season. what a dreadful episode.”

        I can’t agree with this more. Project Runway was my favorite show until last season when Gretchen won. Then I wait another year just for this crap? I can deal with all this stupid drama if some awesome looks were coming down they runway, but they’re not. Almost everything has been sub-par. I hope they started making challenges two days after this.

      • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

        “what a dreadful season. what a dreadful episode.”

        I can’t agree with this more. Project Runway was my favorite show until last season when Gretchen won. Then I wait another year just for this crap? I can deal with all this stupid drama if some awesome looks were coming down they runway, but they’re not. Almost everything has been sub-par. I hope they started making challenges two days after this.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

          Too much bitchery and no really memorable looks coming down the runway.  And I’d opine that that is true for this season as a whole. Jillian, Chris March  or Uli could have beaten this bunch designing with one hand.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      but pink twink didnt make that one! not that he actually made any of em–becky, his servant, did. but that thing’s supposed to be anya’s! he won cos of the weird ugly net thing. & shorts, i think. something like that.

      &, btw, becky made anya’s too.

      speaking of: anya was bad again this week? i thought she was better. but i may have thought she was better in relation to all around conceit & unfilled underwear, there. he was so bad, so bad, i couldnt see anything else.

      viktor shoulda won, viktor’s team shoulda won. dont like viktor as a person much myself, but that doesnt mean he didnt make the best stuff this week. so did his team. not that anything out there was great, but, then again, nothing has been.

      what a dreadful season. what a dreadful episode.

    • http://phantomminuet.blogspot.com/ MinAgain

      It was so unpleasant that I found it hard to watch.  And I was just livid during the judging portion.

      • Anonymous

        If I wanted to watch something on the level of Dance Moms I’d wait 90 minutes. Now that TIM GUN is even a disappointment I may be done.

    • Deana Grenberg

      OH the cursing.  The Bunim Murray touch has never been so heavy.  I kept trying to wipe their fingerprints off my screen.  If I didn’t have so much hope that someday, SOMEDAY this show would return to the show I loved for so many years, this would be the ep. that ran me off.  I have no one to root for, even Tim is pissing me off.  I wanted to punch Josh in the face.  I’m holding out for the inevitable Josh/Bert pairing manipulated for maximum drama (and inevitable slash-fic).

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506473106 Mori Clark

        god…. josh/bert slashfic? why did you just put those images into my mind?!!

      • Anonymous

        Maybe they’ll make each other combust.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe they’ll make each other combust.

    • Anonymous

      Wow.  I usually watch episodes online, but this looks completely skippable.

      • Anonymous

        I was totally gonna skip watching online this morning and just check in here… very sorry that I didn’t. 

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I actually started watching it but the first ten minutes annoyed me enough that I turned it off. I’m pregnant and don’t need anything else making me cranky!

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I actually started watching it but the first ten minutes annoyed me enough that I turned it off. I’m pregnant and don’t need anything else making me cranky!

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I actually started watching it but the first ten minutes annoyed me enough that I turned it off. I’m pregnant and don’t need anything else making me cranky!

      • Anonymous

        it is

    • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

      The Real World, The A List.  What the hell was I watching last night?  I’m exhausted.  Maybe I need some crack like the producers and judges.  Bert is nasty to your face and you know what you get with him (his line about not remembering names of people who aren’t important to him had me rolling, I admit), but Ms. Clinique and Pageant Queen are Mean Girls.  They smile to your face and then stab you in the back.  Yes, drama makes good tv, but I long for the days when it wasn’t so manufactured.  Can we focus more of the clothes, please?  Can’t believe a boring maxidress embellished a la Clinique with a racing stripe and fake zipper won anything.  Victor put a lot more thought and effort into his design and it showed.

      • Anonymous

        Excellent Mean Girls analogy….Josh C….if you are still alive…take heed.  These two are not your besties.

      • Anonymous

        Excellent Mean Girls analogy….Josh C….if you are still alive…take heed.  These two are not your besties.

      • Anonymous

        Excellent Mean Girls analogy….Josh C….if you are still alive…take heed.  These two are not your besties.

      • Anonymous

        You and me BOTH Karen.  I said last night ……one more ep like this and 3 more viewers (meaning my self and my two daughters (who grew up watching this show – and loved it till now)) …..will be gone.

      • Anonymous

        I was thinking that Josh would make a perfect addition to The A List.  He would fit right in.  Someone make that happen, please.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Most uncomfortable challenge ever tied with Angry Little Peanut vs Angela’s mom. Ugh.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

        Exactly what I was thinking last night!

      • Anonymous

        Brought back memories of Santino versus Nina in the season 2 lingerie challenge.

      • Anonymous

        Brought back memories of Santino versus Nina in the season 2 lingerie challenge.

      • Anonymous

        Brought back memories of Santino versus Nina in the season 2 lingerie challenge.

    • Anonymous

      I was entertained by this episode but felt really dirty afterwards. Josh M and Burt make me sick. Did the judges really not notice that both teams with Burt completely imploded?

      Congrats to Victor, tho. That entry looked technically challenging and was executed perfectly.

    • Anonymous

      I was entertained by this episode but felt really dirty afterwards. Josh M and Burt make me sick. Did the judges really not notice that both teams with Burt completely imploded?

      Congrats to Victor, tho. That entry looked technically challenging and was executed perfectly.

    • Jasmaree

      I’m surprised you didn’t mention how poorly made that dress was. That pink strip was coming right off. They didn’t even include the pink strip on the maxi dress in the Amazon.com conversion. It’s just a simple maxi dress there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1241487378 Lauren Lynch Fox

      Viktor’s whole collection should have won. Theat long skirt could have been shortened and it would fit fine. I hated that strip down the other dress. The only person wearing a long tank dress like that (with sneakers) is Heidi….bet they make is short for sale.
      My daughter checked Amazon after the show…..new stuff not up, all workout wear

      • Anonymous

        The dress looks the same except the pink is gone.

        http://www.amazon.com/Project-Runway-Printed-Maxi-Dress/dp/B005I63HK6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314364708&sr=8-1

        Can’t find Viktor’s look.

      • Anonymous

        The dress looks the same except the pink is gone.

        http://www.amazon.com/Project-Runway-Printed-Maxi-Dress/dp/B005I63HK6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314364708&sr=8-1

        Can’t find Viktor’s look.

        • http://twitter.com/Goldielox73 Goldie

          If you look for Viktor’s for sale, it isn’t on amazon.  That picture of it is the only one I could find.  $118 for Josh/Anya’s dress seems a bit much.

          • Anonymous

            you click on Victors outfit (click on the jacket part and then the dress, both come up) and you can sign up to be notified when it’s available.
            Anya’s looks better, but I still wouldn’t buy it and it doesn’t look like a winner, and the price tag is ridic. The fabric is different. Victor’s dress w/o the jacket looks very, very sad and rumpled, as if she pulled it out of the hamper and gave it a sniff before putting it on. But the jacket looks great. Expecting that to be over $300 easy, so too rich for my blood.

        • http://twitter.com/TheRedZavodnik Ginger

          And is that dress of Clinique’s…*GASP*…camo?  Say it ain’t so!  I’d buy Viktor’s in a heartbeat though.

        • Lori

          Without the stripe it’s another dress entirely, and not one designed by Clinique  or Anya.  And it appears  they’re not even selling Viktor’s jacket, which IMO was the best piece in any collection.   Which makes this challenge seem even more pointless.

          • Anonymous

            No, the jacket is there.  There’s a link to it just a couple of comments up from yours.  It’s $395 on Amazon.

            • Lori

              Well obviously it wasn’t there yet when I posted this. The jacket was the last item to appear on Amazon.

            • Lori

              Well obviously it wasn’t there yet when I posted this. The jacket was the last item to appear on Amazon.

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          viktor’s is nice.
          the other one is now pink. & pointless.

      • Anonymous

        If they had just added some casual slits up  either side and given the damn shirt some pockets…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1241487378 Lauren Lynch Fox

      Viktor’s whole collection should have won. Theat long skirt could have been shortened and it would fit fine. I hated that strip down the other dress. The only person wearing a long tank dress like that (with sneakers) is Heidi….bet they make is short for sale.
      My daughter checked Amazon after the show…..new stuff not up, all workout wear

    • Elizabeth Winer

      That maxi dress is totally department store off-the-rack generic.  Where’s the “fashion”?

      • Rebecca Zmarzly

        I have a black and gray print racerback maxidress (with skulls!) that I bought at the beginning of the summer BEFORE the current season even began filming. And I bought it at Torrid, the “Hot Topic for fat people” store. Fashion indeed!

        • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

          I bet it’s way cuter than that drab camo mess, and didn’t cost over $100! But I’m biased because I like things with a skull print.

    • Elizabeth Winer

      That maxi dress is totally department store off-the-rack generic.  Where’s the “fashion”?

    • Anonymous

      Except for Josh Mormon, there isn’t a straight man on PRS9, is there? 

    • Anonymous

      Except for Josh Mormon, there isn’t a straight man on PRS9, is there? 

      • Andrea Rossillon

        Man, you didn’t type that with a straight face, did you?

        • Rebecca Zmarzly

          Neither would Josh C.

          • Andrea Rossillon

            Bazinga!

        • Anonymous

          I couldn’t if I tried.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506473106 Mori Clark

      i wonder if the B/M producers and the judges realize just how much they’ve pissed off their viewers this week. and i wonder if clinique bitch realizes just how screwed over he is, because that’s the catch to project runway- if you make yourself look like a HUGE ASSHOLE on tv, guess what? you’ve just alienated all the potential audience/customers you could’ve gotten out of this show! god forbidding, if he did somehow win this thing? (which i doubt he could, unless he has becky sew all his looks for him!!) i know i would not want to buy anything of his, ever- or even want to watch the next season, if they’ve decided that rewarding ruthless, passive-aggressive bullies. and good job project runway, on lowering your credibility just a little bit more. 

      the more i look at victor’s look, the more i am impressed by that jacket- not anything i would wear, personally, but it’s a great piece of work nonetheless. the maxi-dress with sneakers is the stupidest idea i’ve ever heard of and i dont know anyone who would wear that dress with those shoes, WHICH WAS THE CHALLENGE. 

      man, i am so mad. 

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you. Clinique’s work really doesn’t back up his attitude at all. Not that talent would justify being an ass, but without it, his behavior comes off as really hollow and forced.

        • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

          Like Scotty called out the other week- insecurity. But MAN, as if he needed a bigger head. I think it will all blow up in his face at some point.

      • Anonymous

        See, that’s the point:  BM doesn’t care if they piss off “their viewers”–i.e., people who love Project Runway–because they’re going for a whole different set of viewers: the slackjaws who watch TV to see girls pulling other girls’ hair and immature little queens –who would FREAK.OUT. at the first whiff of homophobia–slamming women slightly older than they are for being old and dowdy. And who like watching sex-tape beauty contest contestants manipulating their way through the season, even if it means pretending to be best buddies with the aforementioned little queen….

        Get the picture?  Did you notice any mention of clothing or fashion in the paragraph above?

        Exactly.  BM doesn’t give a shit about fashion.  They’re all about being a truly vile reality show.

        • Anonymous

          You said exactly what I was thinking. I miss the days of being excited to watch the new episode, and be impressed with what the designers set down the runway.

        • Anonymous

          The shows PR is now leading-in for are telling.

          • Anonymous

            omg I caught 1 minutes of that Dance Moms when I was too lazy to change the channel and if I were a woman I would stop turning on the TV all together. The way women are  depicted on reality telly is repulsive  – just example after example after example of shallow, whorish, entitled bitches that ought to have Gloria Steinem loading up.

      • Anonymous

        I wouldn’t  buy solid gold underpants for five dollars if it meant that asshole (Of whom I was a fan) would make a dime.

    • Anonymous

      I love Viktor’s look! Love.  That makes sense to add to a high profile line.  A cute little dress and jacket – ca-ching, ca-ching go the virtual cash registers.  In that vein they should have picked Bryce’s too.  (but they have the rights to the design anyway, don’t they?)

      • Anonymous

        I hate Viktor’s ragamuffin dress.

    • Anonymous

      This post is the reward for sitting through that thoroughly aggravating episode. I wasn’t sure whether Anya was being two faced or whether she genuinely felt bad for how they treated Becky. I’m keeping my eye on her, that’s for sure.

      I feel Viktor was totally ripped off. Why two winners? The other winning design wasn’t all that great. I could see two winners if Heidi saw two items on the runway that she HAD to have for her collection, but that maxi nightgown ain’t it.

      And poor little Mormon boy (what IS his name?) is so far in the closet he’s practically in Narnia.

      • Anonymous

        As opposed to the other Josh, who is the lyin’ witch in the wardrobe.

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Narnia! Bawahahaaha!!!!!!

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think she was being two faced at all, i’m sure there is some mean girl in there and i wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out at some point, but i think last night she was more stuck in the middle of it all, she was basically Switzerland…
        She had to take the opportunity to be able to offer her input and make a design, so she took it, and it was her design which eventually did win (even though it shouldn’t of) so pissing off Josh wouldn’t have helped her in that. Though ironically it only really ended up helping Josh. She wasn’t mean to Becky at all that i saw, but she wasn’t really helpful or supportive of her either until the shit finally hit the fan and Josh went full queen bitch on Becky.
        Really Joshua put both members of his team in horrible positions. Either Anya defends Becky (and maybe Becky’s ideas really were terrible, i don’t know) and get’s put on the team leaders shit list or she stays put and let’s him go with her ideas. There is no way either of those possibilities doesn’t end with confrontation…
        Really Joshua is lucky either of them played along or attempted to try a team effort with him at all, if they had both turned on him he very well could have gone home instead of somehow winning with someone else’s not even praiseworthy design…

        • Anonymous

          Damn who don’t these people hate? If they aint hating one for being born middle-class they’re hating the other for being pretty….and they all think Josh is an ass (which he is) but come on! 

      • Anonymous

        it would be a HUGE jump to assume anything but sincerity on Anya’s. People are nuts who think otherwise…she’d have to be a monster and I don;t think that she is. I guess B/M are INDEED starting to attract the crowd they want.

    • http://twitter.com/blackstonebloom Blackstone in Bloom

      This episode was so unpleasant, I stopped watching half-way though it.

    • Anonymous

      I really don’t care how the teams work with each other. Just like in the real world, not everybody always gets along, and in the end your output is the most important thing. I don’t know a single industry that is like the kindergarten utopia you all seem to want. They’re stressed and sewing at 4am and the worst anybody does is call somebody “dowdy”? That seems pretty good to me. We’re discussing disagreements here, they weren’t even really “fights” beyond Bert and Joshua yelling at each other. Yeah, Josh was a dick, and I’m sure Becky would tell you she only cried because she was tired and stressed out, not because her self-esteem was mortally wounded. I find the severity with which people are talking about Joshua a little hypocritical when his supposed HUGE offense was “saying mean things about people.” He called her stuff dowdy, he didn’t say she was a dumb stupid bitch or something. And his comment was at least about her work and his assessment of her design sensibilities, while everyone talking shit about Josh is indeed getting far more personal than he ever did.
        I am glad people can start seeing how manipulative Anya is, as I have said all along. Yes, she comforted Becky…but notice she didn’t exactly ever disagree with Josh, either, while he was trying to justify himself to her. Smile and nod, smile and nod…in fact, she participated in the design shut-out, but still…gotta make sure everyone still loves you in the end, right? Barf.
      I like Joshua and his stuff, and I can see how he would rub people the wrong way but I think the reaction is a bit overdramatic. If he’d said it to another gay guy instead of Becky, the nice lady who looks like a nice old neighborhood lady nobody would up in arms like they are. I don’t think his apology was all that sincere, but eh. The objective for them is to get the job done, not become bffs forever in the process. I liked their teams stuff, but yes, the crammed-in win for Joshua felt very forced and manipulated. He didn’t even make that dress! And it is clearly an Anya “original” lol. The only hand he had in it was the red stripe that they hated. It’s too bad, I think Joshua had a good chance of making it to the end anyway, but now everyone will say it’s only because the producers know he brings drama, ignoring the 80% dated, shitty output from this season so far.
      (Please save dumb “Hi Joshua!” comments for someone else. People always get that here and it’s annoying. It is possible that someone might just have a different opinion.)

    • Anonymous

      I really don’t care how the teams work with each other. Just like in the real world, not everybody always gets along, and in the end your output is the most important thing. I don’t know a single industry that is like the kindergarten utopia you all seem to want. They’re stressed and sewing at 4am and the worst anybody does is call somebody “dowdy”? That seems pretty good to me. We’re discussing disagreements here, they weren’t even really “fights” beyond Bert and Joshua yelling at each other. Yeah, Josh was a dick, and I’m sure Becky would tell you she only cried because she was tired and stressed out, not because her self-esteem was mortally wounded. I find the severity with which people are talking about Joshua a little hypocritical when his supposed HUGE offense was “saying mean things about people.” He called her stuff dowdy, he didn’t say she was a dumb stupid bitch or something. And his comment was at least about her work and his assessment of her design sensibilities, while everyone talking shit about Josh is indeed getting far more personal than he ever did.
        I am glad people can start seeing how manipulative Anya is, as I have said all along. Yes, she comforted Becky…but notice she didn’t exactly ever disagree with Josh, either, while he was trying to justify himself to her. Smile and nod, smile and nod…in fact, she participated in the design shut-out, but still…gotta make sure everyone still loves you in the end, right? Barf.
      I like Joshua and his stuff, and I can see how he would rub people the wrong way but I think the reaction is a bit overdramatic. If he’d said it to another gay guy instead of Becky, the nice lady who looks like a nice old neighborhood lady nobody would up in arms like they are. I don’t think his apology was all that sincere, but eh. The objective for them is to get the job done, not become bffs forever in the process. I liked their teams stuff, but yes, the crammed-in win for Joshua felt very forced and manipulated. He didn’t even make that dress! And it is clearly an Anya “original” lol. The only hand he had in it was the red stripe that they hated. It’s too bad, I think Joshua had a good chance of making it to the end anyway, but now everyone will say it’s only because the producers know he brings drama, ignoring the 80% dated, shitty output from this season so far.
      (Please save dumb “Hi Joshua!” comments for someone else. People always get that here and it’s annoying. It is possible that someone might just have a different opinion.)

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        quite frankly & in truth:
        he was talking about how old she is, & how much she weighs. thats what he meant by dowdy & she knew it. & everybody else who was thinking at all knew it too. & she knew they knew it. & it made her cry. cos, beyond anything else, her work is not dowdy. they would never have picked a dowdy designer to go on the show in the first place. in fact, if i really think about it, the closest to actual dowdy work i’ve seen so far would be, in of all people, blenley’s portfolio.

        he picked anya for the exact opposite reason he felt ‘stuck’ w/ becky. it wasnt for her work, it was only slightly cos he thought she might have judge-appeal. it was cos she was the only person whom he felt was a glamorous as his own glamorous self. which isnt glamorous. which is, instead, a bad bad version of a bad bad stereotype. which he doesnt know cos he doesnt know all that much of anything.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        quite frankly & in truth:
        he was talking about how old she is, & how much she weighs. thats what he meant by dowdy & she knew it. & everybody else who was thinking at all knew it too. & she knew they knew it. & it made her cry. cos, beyond anything else, her work is not dowdy. they would never have picked a dowdy designer to go on the show in the first place. in fact, if i really think about it, the closest to actual dowdy work i’ve seen so far would be, in of all people, blenley’s portfolio.

        he picked anya for the exact opposite reason he felt ‘stuck’ w/ becky. it wasnt for her work, it was only slightly cos he thought she might have judge-appeal. it was cos she was the only person whom he felt was a glamorous as his own glamorous self. which isnt glamorous. which is, instead, a bad bad version of a bad bad stereotype. which he doesnt know cos he doesnt know all that much of anything.

        • Anonymous

          Well, fair enough in your assessment that dowdy = fat and old, I won’t deny that’s probably the case and probably why Becky took as it she did, on top of the fact that she was probably singlehandedly making everything Anya designed (when they went through who did what, I don’t remember Anya sewing anything right? Shoooock). But, I think to claim a dowdy contestant would never be cast is ridiculous. A lot of Cecilia’s stuff was dowdy, and very old. Some of Blenley’s stuff is indeed dowdy, with their overly-festooned and beruffled Southern matron sensibilities.The Mormon Josh that just came back, his stuff is awful. Designers like Suede and Blayne and Bradley and many others from many seasons have turned out awful, awful stuff. Whether or not something is “dowdy” vs. “tacky” vs. “whatever” is irrelevant – they have always casted untalented people. It’s a TV show. Many of these contestants have never worked for another designer and never will, because they simply aren’t talented enough. (And I don’t even mean designer like Marc Jacobs or something – I’m talking about missy wovens at Target and shit, even.) I am not placing Becky in that awful category but she certainly hasn’t lit up the show quite yet. To say that to her in the way he did was, I admitted, rude. And to pick her thinking she would quietly sew and never try to offer an opinion was ridiculous. But they’re tired and stressed and he “apologized” and she accepted and they moved on and their team was one of the winning teams and….what? At this point, who cares? Someone’s feelings were temporarily hurt. The world did not end. I do not claim is Josh is the nicest person, especially under stress…I just don’t see him as evil. Nor do I view Becky as particularly shattered. It seems to have affected the viewership more than it ultimately did her. She was cheering and high-fiving Joshua when he won. “Won,” lol.

          • http://profiles.google.com/withano Loren S

            Yes.  When he “won” and then forgot her name…

            • Anonymous

              yes…but how much sleep had they been allowed to have by then? 3 hours? I’d forget my own name.

              But yes to the “won” in quotes.

            • Anonymous

              That was HORRIBLE. To me, that was the worst thing he did. “Anya, my pet, my darling, we won! We’re fabulous! Hooray for us!. . . . .  oh, and you, too, uh, err, ummmm, ahhhh…..afterthought…… irrelevant……[whatsername?]…..you were there, too!”

              She should spit in his shoes.

          • Eclectic Mayhem

            I don’t think it was simply the use of the word ‘dowdy’ (a word he repeated TWICE on the runway which means that it’ll float around the judges heads every time they see her work btw, thanks for that CC) that upset Becky,  it was just the final straw.  

            Go back and listen to the way he tells her “you can do these” (21m 40s).  His voice is dripping with condescension.  You can practically hear the sneer.

            I’ve only met one truly, utterly, misogynistic gay man.  But now I can say I’ve watched one another one on TV.

            • Anonymous

              Condescending? Certainly. But you automatically assume that he was condescending because she is a woman, which I don’t understand. Anya is a woman, one who is quite obviously unskilled, and he wasn’t condescending to her. If anything, they both steamrolled Becky, Anya just let Josh be the bad cop so she could retain her image of ‘purity.’ Accuse Josh of being mean, ageist, immature, whatever, but I saw nothing misogynistic about his behavior. In fact, aside from the other Josh it seems that most of his bffs on the show are female. That Becky happens to be female did not cause him to treat her the way he did.  He treated her the way he did because he thinks she is untalented at design. (Did he yell at Bert because he hates gay men, too? He must be homophobic!!!)
              I wouldn’t think a team leader who is truly misogynistic would choose…a team comprised solely of women.

            • Anonymous

              no, he yelled at Bert because he’s an old fart and he yelled at Becky because she’s “dowdy” (ie: old).  I haven’t been one to jump on the “this season is ageist” bandwagon, but it was clear to me from watching last night that Josh can’t see past his mid-twenties to imagine a world in which real women and men inhabit, and of course, purchase clothes. I think TLo were so spot on last week when they declared that Josh cannot imagine the woman in the clothes, he just makes them. And taken over to this week, it means that he most certainly can’t imagine a REAL woman wearing his clothes who might buy those clothes, who has the money to purchase those clothes. He’s clueless.

            • Eclectic Mayhem

              Okay, you like him and you’re determined to defend him.  I can respect that.  If I’d been a minion back in Season Three I’d’ve been sticking up for ALP and I’d’ve been pretty much the only person doing so.

              I didn’t, however, say that Josh was condescending to Becky because she was a women.  I just said that he was condescending.

              My last line about misogyny was actually in reply to TLo’s comment:

              He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women

              So I’m going to go back and do a wee edit to make that clear.

              Cheers!

              Eclectic

            • Eclectic Mayhem

              Okay, you like him and you’re determined to defend him.  I can respect that.  If I’d been a minion back in Season Three I’d’ve been sticking up for ALP and I’d’ve been pretty much the only person doing so.

              I didn’t, however, say that Josh was condescending to Becky because she was a women.  I just said that he was condescending.

              My last line about misogyny was actually in reply to TLo’s comment:

              He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women

              So I’m going to go back and do a wee edit to make that clear.

              Cheers!

              Eclectic

            • Eclectic Mayhem

              Okay, you like him and you’re determined to defend him.  I can respect that.  If I’d been a minion back in Season Three I’d’ve been sticking up for ALP and I’d’ve been pretty much the only person doing so.

              I didn’t, however, say that Josh was condescending to Becky because she was a women.  I just said that he was condescending.

              My last line about misogyny was actually in reply to TLo’s comment:

              He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women

              So I’m going to go back and do a wee edit to make that clear.

              Cheers!

              Eclectic

            • Anonymous

              I’m not “determined to defend him,” that’s just the way I see it. I’m nobody’s “minion,” TLo’s included. (That some people adopt that term affectionately frightens me.) Note I haven’t said anything that much about Becky. I don’t dislike her and loooove Josh so nothing anybody says to me matters cuz I’m gonna shit all over Becky and come down on Josh’s side every time.  I didn’t even absolve him of blame, I just said it all boils down to “eh.”
              You said “I’ve only met one truly, utterly, misogynistic gay man.  But now I can say I’ve watched one another one on TV.” There’s nothing to clarify there, whether or not you were referring to my post or something TLo wrote or whatever. You said he was condescending and then said he was a misogynist, but somehow I’m “mistaken” that the former wasn’t supposed to be evidence of the latter? If his condescension towards her wasn’t your evidence of his misogyny, what was? Lol. We all established he treated her like crap, that’s why we’re discussing the issue. You flat out said you thought he was misogynistic, and I pointed out merely that he wasn’t, or at least not given the evidence. You can try to skew it however you want (leading your argument with a  statement that boils down to “I know this doesn’t matter to you because you’ll defend Josh no matter what, but…” is pretty discounting and yes, condescending from the get-go), but either you said what you meant or didn’t. Josh is a misogynist or he isn’t, and as I pointed out all evidence points to “isn’t.” TLo didn’t even call him one, they said he’s the type that might lead one to believe gay men are misogynists. And maybe they’re right, since it worked with you. Those of us who know the true definition of misogyny disagree, regardless of where our supposed fealties lie.
               

            • Anonymous

              “I’m nobody;s minion” Oh. HAHAHHAH!  This all makes sense now.

            • Anonymous

              Really – you are taking the time to defend that man’s behavior? Well there ya go, have at it and good luck with that.

          • Eclectic Mayhem

            I don’t think it was simply the use of the word ‘dowdy’ (a word he repeated TWICE on the runway which means that it’ll float around the judges heads every time they see her work btw, thanks for that CC) that upset Becky,  it was just the final straw.  

            Go back and listen to the way he tells her “you can do these” (21m 40s).  His voice is dripping with condescension.  You can practically hear the sneer.

            I’ve only met one truly, utterly, misogynistic gay man.  But now I can say I’ve watched one another one on TV.

          • Anonymous

            He also didn’t have either the balls or the honesty to try to defend his comment, he tried to pass it off and pretend that what he said wasn’t actually what he said. I mean come on, he actually had the gall to suggest that he didn’t mean Dowdy as an insult? Really?
            His words didn’t get ahead of his brain, he knew what he said and why he said it. Which is why he said it two more times on the runway.
            He praised Anya cause he knew it would serve his purpose and he was vicious towards Becky cause he knew he could get away with it and get her to sew and not have to listen to her input. And he only pushed her more when he realized how much he was getting away with it. Really had Tim not clued Becky in with a hint about what was going on he might have been able to get away with it the whole time too.

            That was some cold blooded shit. And they rewarded him for it?
            They reward that kind of behavior and give him immunity?! This is only gonna make things worse next week, for everyone really.

            • Anonymous

              PR lost its last shred of dignity this week.

        • Anonymous

          The more I think about it, the more I’ll agree that the dowdy comment was about her and not her design output. I loved the dress she designed last week. It was hot and stylin’, and anything but dowdy. True, she really should have stood up for herself more, but that does not excuse Josh picking on her. Josh just seems completely superficial. Christian Siriano could be a bitchy queen, but he had some design chops to back it up. He also had a some sense of humor about himself. I’ll be surprised if Josh makes it to the finals. He’ll probably be a decoy though, but I think Becky with make it that far too.

          • Anonymous

            I thought her dress last week was super cute, I was shocked it didn’t make top 3 actually, those little pops of color really set it off.

          • Anonymous

            It’s probably hard to do that (stand up for herself) when you have two very strong, very abrasive personalities hovering over you like vultures as you’re trying to sew yelling at you on the one hand and telling you it’s for your own good on the other. It was a horrible display of the worst kind of bullying.

            • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

              was anya also yelling at her? i didnt like her last week, i found her extremely manipulative & disingenuous. this week she didnt seem so bad–but i might have missed something in between working while watching & wanting to slit eyeliner’s throat, toothpick by toothpick by toothpick by toothpick. steel toothpicks, i guess, so it would be just as bad but take me a little less time.

            • Anonymous

              NO. Suddenly its not okay to hate on Becky merely for being fat but it is  perfectly okay to hate on Anya for being pretty.

            • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

              i dont hate either of them & i dont see how you can get that from my comments.
              i dont like him. that would be a fair assessment. i come from the odd position of having been both of those things at one time or another, very fancily pretty & fat, so i can read his reactions like a book. it’s his behavior i particularly dont like & i think thats obvious.

              you, otoh, page after page after page seem to need to defend anya every time she’s mentioned in any but the highest of esteem. that i find strange.

            • Anonymous

              NO. Suddenly its not okay to hate on Becky merely for being fat but it is  perfectly okay to hate on Anya for being pretty.

            • Anonymous

              Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear.  Josh was yelling at Becky while Anya was basically telling her to tow the line, but they were both hovering over her. Who can work like that?

        • Anonymous

          He also said Becky’s client demographic was “40 to death.”  Clinique has an ugly, ugly soul—if he has one at all.

          • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

            He also seems to not realize how stupid his comment is… 40 – ‘death’, roughly a 35-50 year window for many, is a HUGE demographic! Aging baby boomers with big savings accounts still need fashionable clothes!

            For the record, I also think he was obnoxious and wrong. I also don’t think her designs (from her portfolio) are dowdy at all; they’re very much what many young women want to wear today, and are a cute and stylish alternative to the oft-seen t-shirt and jeans look.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t see how anyone could get too upset when Josh insults them, because he looks so damn comical when he does it.
        I would much rather have someone call me dowdy, than my work. But I would probably just say, really?  gluedonglitterizeddayglocrapfringedcutt-shirtcan’tstopaddingon thanks for the compliment, .

        • Eclectic Mayhem

          I think maybe, on another day, Becky could’ve bounced back almost exactly like that and let the comment go over her head.  She was classy last week over having chosen the same fabric as Anthony Ryan and she was positive and got on with the task at hand after all the upset, she also looked genuinely happy that Josh ‘won’.  She even laughed when he forgot her name back in the green room.

          This was not, however, another day.  It was the day that her last roomie (whom she’d chivvied and cheered along just to get her up and out of the suite that morning) decided to leave the competition.  It was the day she has to move into a different room with people who’ve already sorted out their alliances.  It was the day she REALLY felt she had something more than sewing skills to contribute to the challenge.

          Bless her little cotton socks.  I think she’s fabulous.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, when Josh said to Burt, “Well, you’re closer to death than I am.” I was shocked because it was mean, but then I thought about it, and the ridiculousness of it became apparent. That’s the best he can come up with? “Presumably you will die before I do because you are older?” It’s not exactly witty.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, when Josh said to Burt, “Well, you’re closer to death than I am.” I was shocked because it was mean, but then I thought about it, and the ridiculousness of it became apparent. That’s the best he can come up with? “Presumably you will die before I do because you are older?” It’s not exactly witty.

      • Anonymous

        “Becky, the nice lady who looks like a nice old neighborhood lady”

        I disagree. She’s nerdy-cool. Unfortunately that doesn’t doesn’t line up with Josh’s idea of what cool is.

        I don’t think anyone expects a kindergarten utopia (which, by the way, seems like an oxymoron to me. Little kids can be brutal to each other). I expect a team leader to at least try to bring everyone in. He shut her out from the get go, dismissed her ideas as soon as she opened her mouth, and attacked her personally and professionally. He gave her a false apology, and went back into bitch mode almost immediately. Then he turned on her during judging. In short, he was a bully. That’s not my idea of leadership; in the long run, it’s no way to head a team on PR, or run a business.

         A lot of highly creative people are also major assholes. If they become successful enough, people will often ignore their behavior, i.e., separate the art from the artist. As far as I’ve seen, Joshua isn’t so damn creative that his horrible behavior will be ignored. He’s not difficult or eccentric. Right now, he’s just “a self-centered prick”.

        • Anonymous

          I guess I was going off of how my mother perceived her – she kept asking me about the “old lady” before I realized she meant Becky. My mother’s about 60, lives in a small Midwestern farm town and she viewed Becky as her contemporary. I don’t think that’s a good sign. Gotham Tomato said she is “nerdy hipster,”“trendy,” and “very Brooklyn,” and I don’t see any of that either. The only thing she’s made that I thought was young or interesting was her dress last week, and that includes everything they showed from her portfolio, which was olive drab 40’s style (ish) military suits with mismatched neon ice blue linings. Meh.
          I don’t know that he really “turnd on her” on the runway, either. Josh did have his own shit to say when it came to their disagreements, but he also told the judges everything Becky had sewn, basically admitted he used her as a seamstress, and took the blame design-wise when they started ripping into her outfit, saying he had a large hand in it, design-wise. I don’t really think anyone LIED on the runway except Bert, which seems to be a pattern with him. (At least the show airs his statements in the workroom that prove he is lying on the runway. They could easily leave them out and suddenly everybody would be so sad for “poor Bert.” Gah.) I dunno. Josh was a dick, but so were a lot of people, and knowing how stressful sewing can be with no constraints I don’t blame anyone for a little bad behavior at 3am after sewing under pressure for 16 hours. These are people snapping at each other, not “fighting.” I have seen people fight more hardcore over subway seats on my ride to work. On the runway Josh didn’t lie, he didn’t place blame on Becky, and, as the team leader, he’s entitled to steer the direction of the team how he wants, while Becky is still free to think he is an asshole if she wants, though I doubt she does given how past it she seemed immediately afterward, and even while she was still on the runway. Bert was cheering as his teammates went down. Becky cheered when Josh won, which shows both that she is the bigger person and that she was not traumatized. That people here are saying they are “heartbroken for her” makes me laugh. I think she’s ok.

          • BuffaloBarbara

            I haven’t looked at her portfolio, but the “trendy hipster” thing seemed dead-on to me.  She reminds me of a woman I used to work with who just got into her 30s and was in her twenties when I knew her–the hipster librarian look to a tee.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know about kindergarten utopias… I’ve worked in a creative industry for about 30 years, and I’ve put up with people like Bert and Emilio from a few seasons ago, and I understand and can deal with bitchy people who are really good at what they do and are more focused on the task at hand than on being pleasant. I never take it personally.

        Josh M crossed a line in this episode, though (and I thought he was really likable and warm a few episodes back). It was clearly not about whether Becky or Anya was the better designer, as { edi } ilovetrash pointed out, it was about one designer (Becky) whose *appearance* didn’t match his preferred brand of cool, and another designer (Anya) who did.

        I would get out of a work environment like that as soon as I could, even if it meant living in the street.

      • Anonymous

        That behavior – in the real world – is harassment. And heads would roll.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

      The mom in me wanted to grab a few of them by the ear, twist hard, and drag them off to the corner for a long timeout so the real designers could actually work.   This is not the reaction one should be having during this kind of show – how the standards have fallen!  Btw, the maxi dress is on Amazon this morning in a kind of gray camo pattern without the contrast stripe down the front.  Anya’s name was credited first for the design, then Clinique’s.

      • Anonymous

        Of course the maxi dress is paired with flip flops, not sneakers. 

        • Anonymous

          I saw that right away too! So funny!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63FW2Y5BWUARL7PJGWK54TUDGE Carrieanno

      The mom in me wanted to grab a few of them by the ear, twist hard, and drag them off to the corner for a long timeout so the real designers could actually work.   This is not the reaction one should be having during this kind of show – how the standards have fallen!  Btw, the maxi dress is on Amazon this morning in a kind of gray camo pattern without the contrast stripe down the front.  Anya’s name was credited first for the design, then Clinique’s.

    • Anonymous

      Hated this episode.  Concept bad, I felt manipulated by the producers, and pissed off that they changed the rules.  If they choose two winners, why not choose two to go?  Rewarding Josh with a win was wrong on so many levels.  I see only 1-2 years left for Project Runway.  I’m more interested in the blogs than the show now…Thanks Project Rungay, Laura Bennett, Peach, etc., for making the past two seasons much more enjoyable!

    • Anonymous

      So many gems in this post I can’t even begin to cite them all. Ok, maybe this one: “Next week, the girls will have to do all their work in corsets and 4-inch heels while the boys can wear their pajamas.” Can’t wait to read what happens next week.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Can’t believe that Clinique Counter won with the very Anya dress (down to her patented upside-down isometric racer back straps). He did add that pop of color that also added a weighted dropline down the front of the dress. Hem was too long too. Hrumph.

      The cool kids on this team were straight out of a John Hughes movie. Am I dating myself here? Well, Becky would get the reference. We’re both in that 40-to-Death demographic.

      • aussiegal77

        That 40 to Death comment was utterly mean spirited.  I should have known he was insincere when he tried to explain that “dowdy” was just a fashion term rather than the insult it was.  Then after he apologised, he says it again on the runway!  I was seething – as I’m sure so was Becky.

        • Anonymous

          He revealed himself to be a total dick.  And so immature–he’s probably still collecting My Pretty Ponys.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

            So you think he’s a Bromy?

            • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

              No way. I’ve seen a lot of the newest incarnation while watching my friend’s daughters, and it’s actually very clever and sweet for a kids’ show. Josh is neither clever nor sweet. He wouldn’t get it.

              Besides, he’s stuck in the 80′s, just like the original version of that cartoon!

        • Shawn Hill

          That was because Becky finally spoke up for herself, wasn’t it? He realized his apology hadn’t converted her to his domination.

          • Anonymous

            I think Becky should take a Bullyproof Gracie Jiu-Jitsu class.  How I wish those techniques were kosher in the office!

        • Anonymous

          Oh, notice he didn’t dare say “40 to Death” on the runway, that would be instant suicide!

      • Anonymous

        James Spader and the original Buffy?

      • Anonymous

        Actually, Becky isn’t. She’s only 37 or 38.

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      Can’t believe that Clinique Counter won with the very Anya dress (down to her patented upside-down isometric racer back straps). He did add that pop of color that also added a weighted dropline down the front of the dress. Hem was too long too. Hrumph.

      The cool kids on this team were straight out of a John Hughes movie. Am I dating myself here? Well, Becky would get the reference. We’re both in that 40-to-Death demographic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1179147626 Jeanne Mulcahey Bryant

      I may be remembering wrong, but I thought Bryce talked about being gay and Morman in his intro stuff (also Morman, like Josh C) and how hard it was to come out to his Mom.  I always though he could be a good guide for Josh C.
      All I could think as I watched the episode was how I couldn’t wait to read your recaps!  Poor Dogblankets got screwed!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1179147626 Jeanne Mulcahey Bryant

      I may be remembering wrong, but I thought Bryce talked about being gay and Morman in his intro stuff (also Morman, like Josh C) and how hard it was to come out to his Mom.  I always though he could be a good guide for Josh C.
      All I could think as I watched the episode was how I couldn’t wait to read your recaps!  Poor Dogblankets got screwed!

    • http://profiles.google.com/denise.alden Denise Alden

      What you said.  And, Anya is a mean, not-so-talented girl.  Clinique Counter is one of the worst contestants I can remember:  Wendy Pepper as an insecure gay man.  And Burt may be sober, but he’s clearly a dry drunk:  so nasty, manipulative and outright dishonest.  He’s lucky he had immunity the second week; it’s the only reason he’s still here.

      • Anonymous

        Serious WTF – Wendy Pepper in the same breathe as that Clinque Ars-wipe?      She gave her opinions – when asked – on the runway and played the game – but damn did I miss where she totally dominated abused, belittled and demeaned large hunks of people and individual contestants while being their “boss”??

      • Anonymous

        Serious WTF – Wendy Pepper in the same breathe as that Clinque Ars-wipe?      She gave her opinions – when asked – on the runway and played the game – but damn did I miss where she totally dominated abused, belittled and demeaned large hunks of people and individual contestants while being their “boss”??

        • Anonymous

          I find them similar in that they kind of blindsided a lot of us with their shocking black-hole nasty comments.

    • http://profiles.google.com/denise.alden Denise Alden

      What you said.  And, Anya is a mean, not-so-talented girl.  Clinique Counter is one of the worst contestants I can remember:  Wendy Pepper as an insecure gay man.  And Burt may be sober, but he’s clearly a dry drunk:  so nasty, manipulative and outright dishonest.  He’s lucky he had immunity the second week; it’s the only reason he’s still here.

    • Anonymous

      I know I shouldn’t take this show seriously because I have no idea if what I’m watching is real or not. (It never fails to amaze me how much of “reality” tv is actually “manufactured drama” tv.) But I found this very disturbing. Josh’s treatment of Becky was cruelty itself. As TLo pointed out, that was a classic textbook case of bad management and poor leadership. It was painful to watch. And then he was rewarded for that behavior! Unbelievable.

      The Bert situation–well, that was just bad communication and a bad blend of personalities. It was unfortunate to watch and I don’t think anyone acquitted themselves very well (Anthony Ryan and Laura seemed determined to disregard Bert and he behaved badly too), but it didn’t leave me despairing of the human race the way Josh M. did.

      The person I am most disappointed in is Tim, actually. The way he stood there at the end and told them he was proud of them for telling the truth on the runway–my heart just broke.

      • scottyf

        Beautifully put.

        Regarding despairing of the human race: I think that’s why I’m fascinated by the Bert hate. Not only did he tell us who he was from the beginning, he’s stuck to it. He hasn’t deviated from that point of view. I get the sense that commenters created the character of a benevolent silver-haired gay uncle or grandpa after the first episode, and are pissed because he hasn’t lived up to their made up vision of him. Bert is an crotchety old queen. But he’s not mean-spirited. I don’t know if you’ve ever watched him when the winning designer comes back into the green room, but it’s neat to see. He almost jumped out of his chair with delight when Olivier won. Anything he says in the interviews, he says to people’s face. We know most of the designers who were treated poorly during a challenge are doing the happy dance inside when the offending team member gets trashed. Bert just made it physical. Politically correct? No. Honest? Yes.

        Except when he dismisses and condescends, I never feel despair when he is on screen.

        Laura feeling she needs to play privileged white girl to stay in the game? Anya possibly playing both sides of the coin? Viktor and his petty pseudo tattle-telling? Joshua M and his–too often seen in many gay men–misogynistic tendencies? TIM fucking GUNN bowing to such obvious producer manipulation?

        My soul aches when I see those things.

        What the fuck is next? Physical fights in the workroom? 

        Jersey Shore with dresses.

      • Anonymous

        Rewards for classic textbook bad management and poor leadership?  Please see nearly every “superior” I’ve ever had at nearly every company I’ve ever worked at in my life.  How can so few make so many so miserable?

    • Anonymous

      I know I shouldn’t take this show seriously because I have no idea if what I’m watching is real or not. (It never fails to amaze me how much of “reality” tv is actually “manufactured drama” tv.) But I found this very disturbing. Josh’s treatment of Becky was cruelty itself. As TLo pointed out, that was a classic textbook case of bad management and poor leadership. It was painful to watch. And then he was rewarded for that behavior! Unbelievable.

      The Bert situation–well, that was just bad communication and a bad blend of personalities. It was unfortunate to watch and I don’t think anyone acquitted themselves very well (Anthony Ryan and Laura seemed determined to disregard Bert and he behaved badly too), but it didn’t leave me despairing of the human race the way Josh M. did.

      The person I am most disappointed in is Tim, actually. The way he stood there at the end and told them he was proud of them for telling the truth on the runway–my heart just broke.

    • http://twitter.com/Goldielox73 Goldie

      I loved Viktor’s jacket so much.  It was so well made it looked like something they’d pulled off a rack somewhere.  I totally didn’t think it was fair that Josh won for Anya’s look.

      The final dress for NB removed the stripe, changed the fabric and made a subtle change to the back.  I can’t find Viktor’s look for sale at all. 

      http://amzn.com/B005I63HRY

    • http://twitter.com/Goldielox73 Goldie

      I loved Viktor’s jacket so much.  It was so well made it looked like something they’d pulled off a rack somewhere.  I totally didn’t think it was fair that Josh won for Anya’s look.

      The final dress for NB removed the stripe, changed the fabric and made a subtle change to the back.  I can’t find Viktor’s look for sale at all. 

      http://amzn.com/B005I63HRY

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i had a post somewhere around here which was confusing cos i thought they were gonna make his idiot design. they didnt. you are right–they made hers.

        SO WHY DID HE WIN AT ALL
        ?

      • Anonymous

        Ugh, that new fabric is hiddy!

    • Nicole Moran

      I was one of the “never watching again” folks from last season, and the SOLE reason I kept on watching the show was so that I could follow your posts, because I love you guys.  But after reading this post and this article: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/project-runway-how-characters-controversy-224581 

      I think I’m really done this time.  There are enough bloggers out there that I can get a full understanding of the episode without giving Lifetime any web views or ad revenue.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002673395871 Roadkill Writer’s Camp

        Thanks for the link. Any guesses about which designer ticks off Tim AND has an agent demanding more money? 

        • BuffaloBarbara

          Hmm, the description of the last-minute hemming sounded like it came from this week’s episode, and he seemed pretty short-tempered about that, so it could be Laura.  A pushy agent sounds like something a beauty queen would have.  He had less sympathy for Becky than I would have expected.  But none of the girls seems to be in a “one the viewers will love to hate” category yet… the most likely would be Anya, but she seems rather widely liked.  I doubt it would be quiet contestants like Kimberly or Danielle, and Cecilia was already gone by the time of the last minute hemming… if it was last night’s episode they visited during.  If I’m wrong about the timing and it was earlier, it could be why Cecilia suddenly devoloped a desire to go home.

      • Anonymous

        Emmy-nominated again, huh?  For THIS season? 

        Quote: “Not that Project Runway is in danger of descending into the gutter of train-wreck reality TV. “

    • Anonymous

      Oh, I did like the collection that Viktor and his team did. Loved the jacket and the dress.

      And did Heidi actually say “badoinkadoink”? That was classic. A light spot in a otherwise disastrous episode.

      I do feel that they’re not giving them enough time for the challenges. But of course, it’s not clear this is not about design, it’s about personality. I think I will not watch next season and just start watching all the previous seasons (which I haven’t seen because I only came in halfway through Season 7). This season has far too little talent to make me want to waste time on watching next season.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2066192 Melissa Mellon

        I agree–they seem to have severely limited the time constraints. For a number of previous challenges in previous seasons, designers were given 2 days to make their garments, but I think every challenge this season has had a 1 day (or less!) time limit. No *wonder* people are at each others’ throats! I miss the funny/personal interactions captured during slower garment construction days–Santino’s impersonations/impromptu musicals and Chloe, Nick, and Daniel V. talking about dating. To my mind, that makes for more interesting television.

        • Anonymous

          Amen!

        • Anonymous

          I totally agree!

        • Anonymous

          have they had any 2 day challenges since the show went to Lifetime? I don’t think they have.

          • Eclectic Mayhem

            They’ve had a few but – last season certainly – the extra time was completely negated by a challenge ‘twist’ where they had to produce more looks so it was meaningless in the end.

          • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

            Shorter filming time = cheaper to produce. Added drama is just a bonus.

          • Anonymous

            They’ve had quite a few (Season 6 actually had five two-day challenges by my count, which I believe is more than Seasons 1, 2 and 5), but decreasingly so as the seasons have gone on (I think Season 8 only had one or two).

      • Anonymous

        Even funnier, I’m pretty sure she said “GAH-donk-ah-donk” starting with the letter “G”!

    • Anonymous

      The probably planned for two winners in advance.

      I don’t think a person can decide on the spot that they are going to manufacture and advertise more than one look. That would screw a lot of people over. I think they had two openings in the first place.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      {work nights, sleep days, gotta go to sleep now but i felt i should add:

      ps. i dont think that the one thats going up on amazon is the racing stripe maxi. i’m pretty sure it’s the skort w/ the sweatshirt made of netting, both hailing from the late 80s/early 90s & deteriorating along the way. thats the outfit he made. & he won for that outfit. for the net thing, in particular. the one nina was beaming over after her brain had been clearly beamed aboard the starship enterprise. or somewhere, anyway.}

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t  Clinique the spitting image of Walt Disney’s Evil Step Mother in Cinderella? That picture where he’s pointing at her and shouting  “GET TO WORK!” it’s uncanny.

      I visited the Amazon.comHeidiKlumcollectionNewBalanceProjectRunway and I can see why the designers flubbed. She talked about
      “working out” when she visited the workroom, but none of the existing collection is work-out gear, none are worn with sneakers, almost every piece is oversize lounge wear and 3 out of 9 are silk, to be honest Daniele wasn’t that far off . And Anthony Ryan was right on the money.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you about the collection on Amazon, but Anthony Ryan’s piece was horrible.  I get what he was trying to do, but camel toe rompers are just bad…rompers are bad IMO, but that was REALLY bad.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you T and Lo for you comments - this episode was shock after shock for me, and none of them delightful. I don’t need my PR contestants lovable, but I do like a certain amount of decency displayed.

    • Anonymous

      Oh, So much to say!

      Tim’s a whore?  Did you really write that?

      I had to double check and make sure I wasn’t watching ‘The A List’.  Betcha’ a dollar Clinique lands there after he burns this house down.  Little bitch.

      Remember, ages ago, when Seth A used to whip out fabulous jackets without ever losing his shit?  Maybe Viktor’s got some of that in him.  His piece was gorgeous.

      And the fact is, Heidi wanted that maxi dress for her vanity project.  The only way she could fairly get it was through Miss Eyeliner.  Anya is the real winner there…it was her design.

      • Anonymous

        Oh!  I would start watching the A List again if Josh was on it.  But, don’t tell my mother – she never allowed us to look at train wrecks.

    • spooki C

      Everything made was so ugly I would have auf’d them all. The drama wasn’t even juicy! It was just obnoxious and I tuned it out and started reading a book.

      If I were in Becky’s place I think I would have thrown a sewing machine at Josh’s head. He was ridiculous and needs to get his head out of his ass.

    • Anonymous

      What you said. 

      Well deserved win by Victor. But I was actually disgusted last night. The show was neither entertaining, nor illuminating in any way. We know there are assholes in the world, who needs to waste 90 minutes of life watching them in action? Josh and Anya are made for each other, that’s all I can say. And thank you for calling out Tim. I am now officially over him; when I heard him make that stupid comment about how proud he was of them, I wanted to vomit. He’s part of the problem too.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t crucify Tim just yet–remember that we only see a portion of the comments on the runway…I’m sure a lot was said that went with the delete button, and the show is now “designed” to piss off and/or titillate viewers whenever possible.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=720742723 Sarah Winningham

          Ever since he made those awful, inappropriate comments about Hilary Clinton being confused about her gender I have been steadily losing respect for and trust in Tim. You wait long enough and everyone that you once looked up to will disappoint you, I guess.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=720742723 Sarah Winningham

          Ever since he made those awful, inappropriate comments about Hilary Clinton being confused about her gender I have been steadily losing respect for and trust in Tim. You wait long enough and everyone that you once looked up to will disappoint you, I guess.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2B6U4UNVYIV5DLEG6Z24ALYOC4 Dan Alexander

      Ok, so on last night repeat of last weeks episode of P.R., I noticed that Kennley’s (whatever her name is) comment to Cecelia in the kiss and cry room of “Why didn’t you tell the judges that you wanted off the show” on the runway comment was edited out! WTF?

      • Lori

        That’s not all that was edited out; for the Thursday night repeats, they shave half an hour off each episode, the jerks.

        • Anonymous

          I watched the repeat, and it was the full hour and a half.  If you watch it on your cable network’s “On Demand” or on Lifetime’s website, it is shorter, but that’s because the commercials are cut out.

          • Lori

            Suggest you look at the cable guide. Don’t know what you watched but the repeat’s on show night are an hour long, always.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe I watch too much trashy TV, but I thought Josh was hilarious. “Your demographic is 40 to death” was classic. Though I agree that it was totally unfair and confusing that he was given the win when it wasn’t his design.

      • Anonymous

        I thought that remark was appalling.  It was ageist and vicious.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think bullying and mocking are funny. 

      • Anonymous

        Well, unless one has suicide plans all ready to go when the 40th candle appears on the cake, we will all turn 40 eventually.

        I thought this was a stupid and shallow remark.

      • Anonymous

        It’s a statement that’s been done….so not so funny….especially in his tone.  That said, the way he appears to live….he may get to death before 40.  Karma’s a bitch Clinique.

      • Anonymous

        And Josh needs to remember that the demographic of “40 to death” has most of the buying power. 

    • aussiegal77

      Josh was horrendous to Becky last nite and Anya was a total “teacher’s pet”.  The way they mooned over each other was ridiculous.  Anya who can’t sew to save her life yet continues to win praise from the Judges for her sewing, was absolutely saved by Becky. I initially thought Josh was at least nice to apologise but on the runway it rapidly became obvious how insincere it all was.  Oh and that stripe on the maxi dress was idiotic.

      You’re right about Anya – smooth as cream even as she’s working against you.  Josh – nasty, I’m very disappointed.  

      Viktor’s jacket was phenomenal and paired well with that dress. But this challenge just annoyed me, especially the schizo directives from Heidi.  As for Cecilia?  WTF.  Asshole pretty much sums it up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Harris/1358701372 Linda Harris

        Amazon took the stripe off

        • Anonymous

          Maybe a roll of day-go masking tape is included with purchase. Because that’s what the original looks like . At the end of the day you just rip it off and throw it away.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QF4Y553ZONNUZJN5AVBU6VY33U Renee

      TLO you’ve already expressed all my feelings about this episode completely.  Josh and Anya were both being total mean girls *blech*  Am I the only one who actually LIKES Becky?  Her mostly quiet/quirky sense of humor appeals to me and yes her designs aren’t earth shattering but they’re pretty cute and fun for the most part.  I loved the jacket she made for the stilt walker and I also liked her dress last week with the splatter fabric

      Also:  What’s with the Blenley/Laura Christine name thing?  What the hell is her real name?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3KCDEX4FOTCFHZP6WLKSOOKUVM Danielle

        I’m a Becky fan too, and it really bothered me to see how she was treated last night.

      • Anonymous

        No, you’re not alone.  I also like Becky, and I like a lot of her work.

        But she’s old, Renee–OLD!  37, I believe.  Ancient and dispensable.

      • Anonymous

        I like Becky more and more each week.

      • Anonymous

        I like Becky, too.  I think she might be around for a little while, at least I hope so.

        Blenley=Blond Kenley  T Lo had her pegged as possibly Kenley type, but I don’t think that’s panning. And thank god b/c I’d have to claw my eyes and ears out if we had another Kenley.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QF4Y553ZONNUZJN5AVBU6VY33U Renee

           You know somehow I missed that earlier in the season and for 4 eps now I’ve been thinking her name really IS Blenley.  It just seems to fit so well!

          • Eclectic Mayhem

            TLo are really, really good with the nicknames.  Hell, they’re really good with everything!

        • Anonymous

          The “Blenley” name totally did not track for me, because I associate Kenley primarily with her 40s aesthetic.

      • Eclectic Mayhem

        Team Becky here!

      • PostsYouCanDanceTo

        I’ve liked Becky from the get-go and never believed she’d be difficult in the way TLo predicted.

        I actually want her to win.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I never disliked her, either (reminds me of a friend), but yeah, now? I’m totally rooting for Becky, and I’m going to change my bio-line as soon as I finish this thread.

    • m. violet ether

      Becky handled herself well considering the two mean girls descended on her.  Being told on national television by the clique that your clothes are dowdy and to stop being a baby would be extremely frustrating.  I cry when I’m frustrated – it’s a VERY unfortunate girly trait that I despise – and the harder I try to stop the more frustrated I feel and more tears happen.  It’s a terrible cycle.  LIke I said in another post, Ms. Josh needs to stop trying to make fetch happen.

      I had the feeling with her reaction to the camera following her in the bathroom and disgustedly closing the door that she was upset for crying on camera and in general rather than being a sob sister.   Anya didn’t seem to be interested in empathy so much as stopping her from crying in that bully way of “oh shit everyone is going to know” kind of way.  I believe Josh’s apology was insincere 

      And Bert IS different than the other designers – his life experiences, his age set him apart. I have 1  friend in this age group who had similar experience to Bert – his lover died and quite literally all off his friends.  ALL of them.  He has terrible survivor guilt and a host of other problems being a gay man in his 60s who lost everyone and had to rebuild a life.  It’s a little hard sometimes for him to feel like “his people” even like him let alone understand him. I’m not saying Bert and he are the same but I see the similarities – and the cute young gays are loud and proud and act completely tone deaf.  Re: Bert it’s weird that he is devolving into some kind of immature response but bullying and being treated like a freaky outsider is not pleasant and I have to wonder if that’s some of what is occurring.  

      Josh really nailed the issue by using his age against him in their stupid, disgusting spat. 

      Of course we viewers like to sit here and think Bert should be snarky and tough like he was in the first episode, making his age a joke we can all identify with and can root for – we would like that better.  I would.  But being in your 50s around a lot of 20 year olds is an exercise in extreme outsiderism without the other elements.  Not one single person has tried to kindly reach out to him  a la Mondo and Michael C.  It’s not a requirement of the show and Bert may rebuff it, but all these precious little porcelain doll egos may be able to cope with his rejection or maybe he’d be just a touch warmer if someone had actually been all “woah you worked at Halston!?!?” and made him feel like a person rather than an old guy.

      I just want to watch them with the challenges and little flare ups here and there because the pressure of getting the fashion done is happening, not all this drama. It depressed and stressed me out – I felt like it was a lesson in bullying the person who isn’t as pretty as you are which made me feel sick.

      This episode just made me want to say :  HEY PEOPLE  Get in touch with the “It Gets Better” project and apply it to more than queer youth, it applies to any of us who weren’t in the clique and whom the clique picked on….   http://www.itgetsbetter.org/  

      • http://twitter.com/ShelfAfterlife Shelf Afterlife

        Thank you for posting this.  I was all down on Bert, but I never thought of this this way.  I guess I’m just pretty disappointed with the whole show, and it is pretty easy to point to Bert as one of the reasons, but hell…I’m only 32 and I don’t think I could get along with those 22 year olds.

        • http://shuflies.blogspot.com catherine_sr

          I was 26 when I studied Mandarin with a group of 22 to 23 year olds and, let me tell you, those few years between us seemed like an eternity. I had a Masters already and was learning Chinese so I could work in Asia, but the class was just an excuse for them to go on an extended vacation and figure out what they wanted to do after college. So yeah, childish as he is, I feel for Bert sometimes.

      • Anonymous

        Soo well said!

      • scottyf

        I so agree with FredwinaD: well said.

        I don’t know if you remember the moment when Anthony Ryan, Laura and Bert were in the green room, and the two of them confronted my Buddha Bear. I think Bert became quite vulnerable in that moment. He pretty much said what you were saying. I think there’s quite of bit of ageism–both ways–going on here. I seem to get along well with folks younger than myself. But I believe it’s because they tend to see me as a peer. I wonder if things would be different if they actually saw me as an elder.

        • m. violet ether

          I definitely think this ageism goes both ways. Our general expectations of course are that those of us who are older 

          I have a fair number of people in their early 20s in my life  (I’m in my 40s, my partner in their early 50s).  I have staved off some of the generation gap by making the choice to ask them about themselves and their lives and interests and to withhold judgment.  I’m sort of a peer for some and more of a “cool expert” to others due to my job – I really shelve the desire to parent, mentor, or speak as though I know more for any reason other than having 20++ years of time they haven’t had yet.  

          I do fault Bert for not handling these situations a little better.  He could be aloof without condescension or bitchy queenery- a little introspection on his part and stepping out of the school yard himself could go a long way here.  But I’m an armchair quarterback of course.

          Anyway I wish Bert were “better” but mostly because I want “127 year old guy” to show those darn whippersnappers a thing or three!

          • scottyf

            “I’m sort of a peer for some and more of a “cool expert” to others due to my job – I really shelve the desire to parent, mentor, or speak as though I know more for any reason other than having 20++ years of time they haven’t had yet.”

            It sounds as if we are in a similar work situation.

            As I said, I think many of my younger colleagues see me as a peer: i.e. someone who responds to them based on where they are at that moment–who doesn’t judge, based on preconceived notions. But that doesn’t mean I don’t use my twenty plus years of experience to respond to them if they ask for my opinion. I don’t apologize, or acquiesce for that knowledge–as the less self-aware younger folks seem to ask our generation to do.

            However–rather often, in fact–one of these young men or women will come back after a talk with me and tell me that they wished they could have similar conversations with their parents and guardians. They have identified my as an authority figure and/or mentor on their own. I usually return the sentiment. I let them know that I am in awe of their ability to communicate their issues and feelings so eloquently, and hope that–as I put it–I can: “grow up to be just like them someday.”

            Ageism is like any other “ism” to me. It places you in a category and box. Who says that every person over 40 has to act a certain way? Bert told us who he was in the very beginning. And he hasn’t changed. The younger contestants have been all over the place with their personalities and their strategies, while my Pooh Bear has remained constant. I applaud his honesty and integrity.

            Even if I do want to smack the shit out of him from time to time.

      • Anonymous

        Yes. I have known many older bitchy queens in my day, and while they continually piss me off, I can understand them on some level. They have a lot to be bitter about. Not one has tried to reach out to Burt to understand him. He’s completely reprehensible in his immaturity, but I felt the same twinge of schadenfreude when his teammates were called out for making uglier clothing. Josh just needs to be hit by a bus. That is all.  His apology was like, “How can I make this bitch stop crying so she can get back here and sew?” I wanted to stick his head in the toilet with some of those so irrationally feared and dreaded feminine hygiene products.

      • Anonymous

        I’ve mentioned this elsewhere, but this group of designers just seems so young and inexperienced to me, both in design and in how to work with other people and relate to them as human beings. 

        • Anonymous

          You’ve all shown me another way to see Bert. I have some thinking to do. Thanks!

    • Anonymous

      “For shame, Bunim Murray. You’re doing exactly what everyone feared you would do when you took over: you’re turning this into The Real World with sewing.”

      Ahhh, if only BM had that much class!  It’s “The Bad Girls’ Club” or “Jersey Shore” with sewing. And what is so clear and so tragic for those of us who have loved this show from the beginning is that it’s clear that’s the demographic BM is going for. I’m sure that when the blogosphere responds to an episode by talking about the clothes, the BMs start having panic attacks and emergency meetings to figure out how to up the bitchery-drama quotient. I knew all was lost when Tim announced that they would have only until 11 PM to create an outfit that is chic, goes with (really ugly) sneakers, and is good enough to be sold online. And then the camera pans to the clock on the wall, showing 3:30, and the doomy music kicks in.

      Then the BMs have Heidi decide on the spur of the moment–Sure. Right.–that the designers, already stressed and exhausted, can work until 4 AM!!!  Not so they can make better clothes, but so there can be more drama.

      Except for Viktor’s outfit, this was the ugliest runway in recent memory.  I can’t think of a single item of clothing–including the Clinique Bitch’s three outfits–that deserves any comment other than “Ugh!  You expect someone to wear that?”  Hideous, gloomy color palette across the board. 

      The Clinique Bitch’s win was a total joke.  Pathetic. Disgusting. Totally insupportable. He gets immunity for something he neither designed nor sewed.  What did he get it for–leadership qualities?  For being the nastiest, most unpleasant bitch in recent memory?

      I’m watching the show now only for the joy of Friday Morning TLo and the Minion Comments.  What was was. What is sucks.

      • Anonymous

        Yep. What Inforapenny said – my sentiments exactly.

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

        He was essentially given immunity for running really fast. That’s about it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Please no more team challenges this season please!

      I thought the judges praised Bryce’s collection as a whole, aside from the turquoise shirt. Did that shirt really bring the team down so low? Maybe more negative things were said about Bryce’s team that was not shown on TV, so I’ll have to watch the extended judging online, but overall I had the impression that Bryce’s collection was better liked.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RCHWE47ZGRIEXFNSVYK2JXYNUI NicoleB

      I started to have a bit of a panic attack watching the whole exchange between Clinique and Becky. It was crazy uncomfortable. Oh Josh, Heidi Klum has 4 pairs of leggings in her new balance collection.

      • http://twitter.com/stardust462 Elizabeth O’Malley

        I predict someone (maybe even Becky) will design something with leggings that wins a challenge.

        • Anonymous

          Or Ruching details. I don’t really see what Becky has done that has been that awful that would cause him to ride her that way. Becky hasn’t been called to the bottom for any of her designs.

          • Anonymous

            Didn’t Becky make that kick-ass jacket for the lurching stilt walker episode? Not ‘dowdy’ in the least. I think she’s talented. Hopefully, she’ll buck up after this beat-down and assert herself and her style.

            • Anonymous

              I couldn’t agree more. I just went to the official PR site to see the history of Becky’s designs for this season so far, and there is nothing “old” in the bunch. At least it looks like this decade, rather than Ann-Margret’s leave-behinds from 1966 that are  Josh’s clothes.

            • Anonymous

              I couldn’t agree more. I just went to the official PR site to see the history of Becky’s designs for this season so far, and there is nothing “old” in the bunch. At least it looks like this decade, rather than Ann-Margret’s leave-behinds from 1966 that are  Josh’s clothes.

      • Anonymous

        And she wore them in the stilts episode, remember? Oh, but they are so over.

    • http://profiles.google.com/withano Loren S

      Poor Olivier really is a Precious Moments figurine.  He’s made of porcelain.

      • Anonymous

        I always keep my eye on him when shits being stirred up and he’s always in the background looking so out of his element and forlorn. I really feel bad for the kid. He does not look happy. At all.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2B6U4UNVYIV5DLEG6Z24ALYOC4 Dan Alexander

      I think that Victoria and Olover picked JoshC. cuz they think he is not match to their designs! Oliver’s dog bed top was nasty and the judges thought it was so cutting edge?!!! Anaya’s zipper on the back of that night gown was UGLY! and one of the other comment was correct, how many times are we going to see the same racer back top in this season?

    • SewingSiren

      As to the two (insert eye roll) winners.
      I don’t love Viktor’s, he was a good leader.  The dress more that the jacket fits right in with Heidi’s New Balance Line and so does Olivier’s skirt, frankly.
      He seemed really happy that he placed in the race too.So good on him.
       
      Clinique should not have won. His colllection was second best to be sure. But his garment was the worst . And Anya’s gown while the basic body is fine that stripe down the front looks glued on, as does the zipper. Why no comment about this on the runway.

    • Anonymous

      Is that a face you want to slap or what? We wouldn’t recommend it,
      though. One slap and you’ll be enveloped in a cloud of chemicals and
      hair products.

      Hahahahahahahahaha!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUSTUWAZAEE4FDHJSNZI26GFE4 TuckerS

      AMEN Boys. Couldn’t have said it better if I tried. And I hope Bunim-Murray is listening to what y’all are saying!

    • Anonymous

      Last night I was thinking that I don’t really care for any of the designers, I’m not really that impressed with any of them- they are just too inconsistent, and most of them have a mean streak. The producers have taken over, and it all feels way too scripted. Very unhappy with this season already!

      Okay, I may be still pining for Mondo. He stole my heart from the very beginning last season, and I swore I wouldn’t watch again. Guess that’s what I get…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2B6U4UNVYIV5DLEG6Z24ALYOC4 Dan Alexander

      Bert, there is a reason you have been out of the scene for so many years.  There isn’t a professionial design house in the world that would put up with your nast sour puss attitude! Just plain and simple NASTY!  Grow up grandpa! Oh yeah your nasty response to Clinique guy was so uncalled for and very low class!

      • Anonymous

        And I am not at all confident in his taste. He favors simple “classic” pieces — but even so, this week’s managed to look like something a secretary in the 1980s would wear with sneakers on her walk to work but then out as a cocktail dress afterward (he also reverted to that awful 80s hairstyle for the model, which didn’t help).

    • aimee_parrott

      I actually wanted to cry when Tim said that he was proud of them.  And then I wanted to take Bunim and Murray and anybody else involved with the bullshit that was this episode, and force each and every one of them to wear Anthony’s (sorry Anthony) awful cameltoe diaper thing ALL THE TIME for the rest of time.  Gah.

      • Anonymous

        I was so disappointed that Tim said that. It was like a knife to the gut.

        • Shawn Hill

          You don’t think they were honest on the runway? Unlike Team Gretchen, this whole group got called on their nonsense and had to own up to it.

          • Victoria Sharoyan

            I was thinking along the same lines. I wasn’t necessarily proud of them like Tim said he was, but I think he was thinking back to the Gretchen team challenge mess where practically no one owned up to anything.

            • Anonymous

              Hmmm. Good point. 

          • aimee_parrott

            It’s not that I thought they were dishonest.  I just didn’t see any reason to be proud of them.

            • Anonymous

              I agree!  It should have been more of a “I hope you’ve learned your lesson” tone, but that doesn’t quite work when the nastiest gets a special bonus win, and the person that goes home was on the real winning team.  How I wish Bert had been on Josh’s team in Becky’s place.

          • aimee_parrott

            It’s not that I thought they were dishonest.  I just didn’t see any reason to be proud of them.

    • Anonymous

      As if Clinique didn’t do enough damage to Becky throughout the whole challenge, at the end he called her Kimberley!!!

      • Anonymous

        I have begun noticing this technique in all areas of life.  I am so slow to catch on to other people’s machinations, I am too quick to take people at face value.  Some people are just really bad at remembering names, but now that I am aware of this as a way to establish dominance, I notice it surprisingly often.  A really effective way to dismiss someone as a non-contender.  I see it most often used when someone is referring to a former mate’s new companion.

        By the time I figure out all the angles in this game called life, I’ll be on my deathbed!

    • Anonymous

      “Tlo said: You both needed to be packed up, stuffed into your little bitchboxes, and sent home for being such nasty queens.”

      Helloooo. Like I said last night, Bert & Josh had an asshole-off that ended in a draw.

      But, of course, we know that assholes go far on this show (see; Rice, Santino and Peanut, Angry Little). And that dress with the racing stripe would have gotten the designer auf’d in the first few seasons. Not only did it move horribly on the runway, but there was no there there. And yes, that IS a face I’d like to slap.

      As for Becky being dowdy, I don’t see her style as dowdy. It’s more nerdy hipster. Very Brooklyn, and a lot more on trend than Miss Josh Avon.

      And your right about pageant girl: The others should start sleeping with scissors under their pillows, and not let their drinks out of their sight.

      –GothamTomato

    • http://www.lindamerrill.com Linda Merrill

      I particularly loved how Heidi wasn’t even wearing her own “designs” at the track. She’s holding her sneakers while wearing 5″ heels. It’s amazing that the athletic facility allowed her to wear those shoes on their surfaces.

      • Anonymous

        I’m POSITIVE she did not ask permission, or care if anyone approved or disapproved.

    • Judy_J

      Last night’s episode left me dangerously close to deciding not to watch again.  Viktor should have been the sole winner of this challenge.  Josh is so completely unlikeable….I can’t stand to even look at him, much less hear him go on and on about how great he is.  And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he call Becky “Kimberley” last night in the cry room?  After having her on his “team”, he still couldn’t be bothered to get her name right.  Were it not for this blog, I’d quit PR…I swear I would.

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

        You’re not the only one. I used to watch it because I love watching garments come together, but in the past few seasons, they rarely show any of the construction process outside of quick little montages.

    • Diane Lynch

      The designer credit on the Amazon site for the maxi dress is interesting:
      “Designed by Anya Ayoung-Chee and Joshua McKinley”
       
      So one does wonder how/why Joshua was named the winner for a dress that someone else designed and sewed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506473106 Mori Clark

        also curious to see they removed that pink stripe down the front…. and changed the pattern to a completely generic camo print. the dress looks stupid.

      • Anonymous

        She didn’t sew it; Becky did.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, his contribution to the design was the bright safety stripe they removed!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QF4Y553ZONNUZJN5AVBU6VY33U Renee

       It’s true she’s a whole 4 years older than me!  She couldn’t possibly make chic clothes. *ugh* It must be something about this seasons mix of folks that’s really bringing out the nastiness and age bias I don’t remember there being so much of it in previous season.  Peach, Laura, Seth Aaron, Sweet Pea, all older designers that got along great with the young brats. 

      • Anonymous

        Mila too! Didn’t she have close relationship with one of the younger contestants? I forget the younger one’s name, but I remember her talking about the sisterly relationship she had with Mila even though they had an almost 20-year age gap between them.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCJEZMOV4VYMXC5WJALLZNYEB4 Mari Rose

          I can’t remember her name, but it was the girl right out of design school who quit and didn’t show a decoy collection.

          • Anonymous

            It was Mya.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QF4Y553ZONNUZJN5AVBU6VY33U Renee

          Yes! Mila was a fabulously chic lady who has left her twenties behind.  

      • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

        Funny how Clinique is too vapid to realize it’s women in their 40s who have the money to buy clothes. You lost my business honey.  And your style is ticky tacky little boy.  Idiot.

        • Anonymous

          WORD. I said the same thing a few pages back. 

      • Anonymous

        And Sissybear! The queen of middle age!

    • Anonymous

      I do not see how Bert is a villain in this one.  In this case I don’t see it, so he laughed and enjoyed that the “mean girls” got taken down after he managed to work within their constraints and despite the bitching.  I actually enjoyed his reaction.  

      As to celia, she was trying to manipulate the producers into putting Julie back on.  It did not work. 

      Olieveireoruerreer – ?  Serious dude?  I get panic attacks (started nearly 30 years ago) would not have called that a panic attack.  Dude?  I have two really bad knees and am quite large, but to fall apart like that on one lap and need a medic (and not for a “physical” injury like a torn muscle/ligament or sprain.  Boy needs some protein, sunlight and exercise.

      I said last night in the lounge – I can not fault Becky too much  for crying – any other reasonable reaction (other than ignoring him and doing whatever the hell she wanted – although he had the $ and the fabric) might have landed her in jail.  Although any PR watcher would not vote to convict her.   It can be overwhelmingly frustrating and when you feel powerless, sometime tears happen

      • Anonymous

        Olivier’s (?) collapse appears to me to be some sort of vagus nerve reaction to physical stress. It wasn’t that he couldn’t run but that seeing his injury, people’s reaction to it, etc. caused the reaction.  My son is very fit but it happens to him when blood is drawn, he gets injured, or is in extreme pain.

      • Anonymous

        Olivier’s (?) collapse appears to me to be some sort of vagus nerve reaction to physical stress. It wasn’t that he couldn’t run but that seeing his injury, people’s reaction to it, etc. caused the reaction.  My son is very fit but it happens to him when blood is drawn, he gets injured, or is in extreme pain.

      • Anonymous

        Olivier’s (?) collapse appears to me to be some sort of vagus nerve reaction to physical stress. It wasn’t that he couldn’t run but that seeing his injury, people’s reaction to it, etc. caused the reaction.  My son is very fit but it happens to him when blood is drawn, he gets injured, or is in extreme pain.

      • Anonymous

        yeah, Bert is an asshole, I need to say that, he’s a total dick…
        but… I still stood up and clapped when the judges like his designed and hated the other two’s design and basically told them just about everything that Bert had told them just hours before. I loved his reaction and can’t fault him for a second for reacting that way, i would have done the same. He’s still an asshole, but this time his instincts were right and theirs was wrong, they can complain about how hard he was to work with but they teamed up against him from the very beginning and never gave him a chance (not that he would have taken it, but come on, you at least gotta offer) and really what it comes down to is that he did good work and they didn’t.

    • Anonymous

      I do not see how Bert is a villain in this one.  In this case I don’t see it, so he laughed and enjoyed that the “mean girls” got taken down after he managed to work within their constraints and despite the bitching.  I actually enjoyed his reaction.  

      As to celia, she was trying to manipulate the producers into putting Julie back on.  It did not work. 

      Olieveireoruerreer – ?  Serious dude?  I get panic attacks (started nearly 30 years ago) would not have called that a panic attack.  Dude?  I have two really bad knees and am quite large, but to fall apart like that on one lap and need a medic (and not for a “physical” injury like a torn muscle/ligament or sprain.  Boy needs some protein, sunlight and exercise.

      I said last night in the lounge – I can not fault Becky too much  for crying – any other reasonable reaction (other than ignoring him and doing whatever the hell she wanted – although he had the $ and the fabric) might have landed her in jail.  Although any PR watcher would not vote to convict her.   It can be overwhelmingly frustrating and when you feel powerless, sometime tears happen

    • aimee_parrott

      Oh, and another thing.  Clinique needs to STFU about Becky not being his “style icon.”  You overly made-up nitwit, this is not a contest about who is going to be the next Iman, for chrissake.  He seemed to be making it more about her personal style (ie, her age and weight) than about anything else, and that royally pissed me off. He’s mean and gross and not at all fabulous.  So there.

      • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

        Ugh, right. And did you see what she wore to the runway? That printed, purple top with the necklace – adorable. I want that top, and I’m 20. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WHDVZHZST2KAEL7BYYL6X4NHNI Elwin Gary

      I stand beside Bert because old gays like myself do not have the energy to put out the drama. He’s only standing up for himself. Cliques are obvious on the show and I thought they went away with my generation. Tim’s been a whore for quite a few seasons now. I think he’s the spy in the rooms along with the cameramen. I’m sure they sit around with cocktail in hand to figure out who’s going to create the most drama show after show. You all get mad but you’re still going to watch. I stopped watching this show after the third season and got on board again because of my gay friends. Now I know I was right for stopping years ago.

      • Anonymous

        I love Bert but I was really really bummed about his glee when others were slammed.  I know he felt vindicated but I felt that this was beneath him.  

      • Anonymous

        I love Bert but I was really really bummed about his glee when others were slammed.  I know he felt vindicated but I felt that this was beneath him.  

      • Anonymous

        I love Bert but I was really really bummed about his glee when others were slammed.  I know he felt vindicated but I felt that this was beneath him.  

      • Anonymous

        I love Bert but I was really really bummed about his glee when others were slammed.  I know he felt vindicated but I felt that this was beneath him.  

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      Thanks for your indignation. And your analysis. A very sad episode, redeemed by Victor’s jacket! I didn’t like the wrinkly dress but I’m really glad you guys did, because I feel that Victor (despite his clueless kvetching about Bert in the stilts episode) is a talented guy and deserves recognition. 

      • Anonymous

        I’m glad I’m not the only one who didn’t like the “artfully wrinkled” dress. 

    • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

      Thanks for your indignation. And your analysis. A very sad episode, redeemed by Victor’s jacket! I didn’t like the wrinkly dress but I’m really glad you guys did, because I feel that Victor (despite his clueless kvetching about Bert in the stilts episode) is a talented guy and deserves recognition. 

    • Anonymous

      As to the two winning designs:

      I am not in love with Viktor’s. Although he was a good leader. The dress looks more like Heidi’s New Balance Line than the jacket.
      Hell even Olivier’s skirt looks like the current line.

      Viktor also seemed very happy and a little suprised  to have ‘placed” in the foot race.

      Josh should not have won. His collection was 2nd best, but his look was the worst of the three and would not fit in with Heidi’s line.
      the Maxi dress had plenty of problems too, and they were all  ad  on blings that Josh directed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Cleary/1201575213 Patrick Cleary

      The only way I can keep my sanity is that B/M swooped in after Viktor was declared the winner and insisted that Josh M. be spared. His designs have been praised and derided by the judges, but his Bedazzling of everything is likely to get him kicked off soon. This way, he’s around for at least two more challenges, to hang with Josh C., the Mormon Who Wants A Wife, But Totally Is Getting It From The Other Josh Every Night.  Win/win for the producers!

    • MeanLady

      Has anyone gone to Amazon.com to try to buy the looks? The maxi dress is available to buy but Viktor’s dress and jacket are not available yet, wonder why? Oh, and the racing stripe is gone off of the maxi dress.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

      I like her, too.  And Kimberly.  And, actually, Viktor was a good leader this week, and his design was great.  I’m chalking up Anthony Ryan’s and Blenley’s behavior to being on a team with Bert–Viktor seems fine now, since he isn’t on a team with him, so Bert appears toxic to me.  He makes anyone too near to him temporarily insane.  So far, I think that there are two HUGE A-holes (Clinique and Bert), and one pageant queen who knows how to play the game, and everyone else is fine and is there to work.  Maybe that’s why the producers have to manufacture drama with the running a race and awarding Clinique a win?

      Oh, and I just wanted to yell at Clinique (and did from my couch), oh now you didn’t call her dowdy!  You, with the 5 pounds of makeup and the ridiculous eyebrows and the tan and the annoying voice.  You’re like the worst caricature EVER, and you have the gall to call someone else out about HER style?  Wow.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

        This was supposed to be in reply to a poster who said she liked Becky (and I was agreeing).

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCLO5V2YD36T7QMPKOC7YXPOFU Erica

        This was supposed to be in reply to a poster who said she liked Becky (and I was agreeing).

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QF4Y553ZONNUZJN5AVBU6VY33U Renee

           That was me and you said it!  There was a lot of pot and kettle going on with Clinique’s comments last night.

    • Susan Crawford

      Rules were not only bent and broken – they were hit with phasers set on KILL and their tiny molecules are now floating in the distant galaxy that was once the REAL Project Runway! Well, I Tweeted last night that I wanted some real drama this season, and by St. Tim of Gunn, I got it.

      Bub-bye, Cecilia, the Damsel of Doom. Welcome back Mormon Metrosexual. I guess.

      Other than this, what can one say that T Lo has not already said perfectly. I sat watching with my mouth so wide open that this morning my jaws are aching from being dropped. The judging was about as cracktastic as I have ever seen (thank you Bunim/Murray) and the “winning” maxi dress was decidedly underwhelming. But so it goes, and things are getting cray-cray in the approved PR manner.

      But HOW much do I miss Mondo? Let me count the ways!

    • Anonymous

      This episode was so disturbing in our living room that my hubs and I had a genuine fight, for reals. UGH. The entire shitefest ruined my evening.

      Hope your column on this goes viral. You nailed it. Every.Single.Point. I have nothing more to add.

    • MilaXX

      Wow! I got home late and only saw the runway show. Sounds like I missed quite a doozy. Based on runway alone the 2 dresses that got the win were my favs. I would wear both the maxi drees or Viktor’s dress in a heartbeat . Firing up the dvr now.

      • Anonymous

        I wonder what it would be like to see things from the judges’ point of view like that, without seeing the workroom drama first.  Maybe I should try watching the runway live first and then going back to watch the beginning on DVR.  Interesting!  It would be fun if we all did it together, and see how surprising it is.

    • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

      Viktor without question deserved the win. What I like most about him is that he seemed to learn from his mistakes of the last team challenge. I have always liked that guy, but I’ll declare it now, definitively: Viktor is my pick for the win. Not that he will win, but that I want him to win, and by all rights he should make it to the finals. 

      I still think Becky has it in her. She should form an alliance with Bert, so neither of them feel so left out.Also, I said it in so many words last week, Cecilia is a piece of shit. At least she and Julie can be together in sequesterville. Maybe that’s all she really wanted?

      • Anonymous

        I liked Viktor since before the season started and even after when he said he was bitchy (or whatever he said on the first episode). I hope he gets to the finals, too.

      • Anonymous

        I was thinking throughout what a Becky ‘n’ Bert team would be like. Maybe with laid-back Josh C. as the third member.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not sure we can take another team challenge…

    • http://twitter.com/ShelfAfterlife Shelf Afterlife

      I’m really growing to hate this season.  It seems like the clothes are just an afterthought to all the catty, bitchy drama and the lame-ass challenges.  I don’t know how the judges could look at that dress and give the win to Josh when it’s pretty obvious that it’s Anya’s design.  So…way to put a weird-ass stripe down the front, Josh!  Well deserved win for you!  

      I was really hoping for a smelly turd of an outfit from Bert so he’d be auffed, but anything would look good standing next to what Anthony Ryan made.  I’m so getting tired of group challenges and the fighting.  You know, there’s drama…and then there’s THIS SHIT!!!  When the hell does All Stars start?

    • Katey Phillips

      This was such a great post, TLo. You captured all my frustration better than I even knew I was feeling it. This episode was so chock full of bullshit and assholes. I don’t get how the producers think the right way to go is to make the judges seem like morons with mental problems. If it makes us mad then we’re talking about it, right? Ugh. So gross.

      • Anonymous

        “Morons with mental problems”

        Heh. That pretty much sums it up.

        I know they gave Josh the win because he was the team slavemaster leader, but I don’t think that dress deserved a win. If they had to name a second winner, it should have gone to whoever was leading the team Kimberly was on. But that wasn’t going to happen, because TPTB apparently decided a controversy was needed. Beh!

    • sweetlilvoice

       Love the post gentleman, the whole episode made me feel a bit sore. And yes, I want to slap Josh too! He is such a diva. I also thought that Burt’s was a good look. And I knew there was no way that Mr. Southern Version of Jessie on Breaking Bad would go home. He’s actually talented even though he made a bizarre romper.

    • Anonymous

      That Josh is  disingenous and insufferable.  Bert is just poison.  Anyone who celebrates the critique of his teammates ON THE RUNWAY is clearly a spiteful person and near impossible to work with.  Surely the judges should have taken that into consideration.

      The sneering contempt of Josh’s comment that Becky, according to him, designs for “age 40 to death” is precisely why the fashion industry doesn’t earn as much of my money as it could.  I am so so tired, as a middle aged woman, of being dismissed.

      • Ella B. Mudge

        Precisely — it’s why I’m starting to look at the vintage clothing market for my wardrobe.  There’s too much thinking in the industry that after 40, you should head over to the department with elastic-waist polyester pants. 

      • Anonymous

        Oh no, honey, “dowdy” isn’t an insult. Why would you think that?

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Yup.  I’m not hung up on wearing “age appropriate clothes” (I tend to think that’s a silly idea), but I also don’t like what they put out with the “young, hip, party” demographic in mind.  If they’d recognize that real people don’t move in lockstep trends and have different collections that would appeal to different people… sigh.  Pipe dream.

        I should look at the census and figure out the percentage of the female population that is “40 to death.”

    • Anonymous

      I’m fairly certain Bert couldn’t work with anyone, including Olivier, and that he’d try to demonize even Precious Moments.

    • grouchywif

      I must be very unfashionable because while Viktor’s jacket was nice, all I can think of when I see that dress is the old women’s prison movies of the 1950′s. It looks like inmate the innocent blond bombshell, aka #12842 got into it with the scrappy hardened criminal, aka inmate #10165 in a cat fight that left one with a ripped bodice and the other with a shredded hem.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Lynn/514336583 Donna Lynn

        I totally agree with this.  I thought maybe I was missing something because that’s pretty much what I thought about it when I saw it.  Well, maybe not the cat fight part, but definitely the prison garb! Had they made that dress in white or black or even a jewel tone would be cool, then I’d buy into the breezy, urban, quasi-biker chick idea. Love the jacket, like the style of the dress, the color was Depression-era, soup kitchen sad. 

        • grouchywif

          oh my hell.

          They want $98 on amazon for that prison dress. Unbelievable.

          • Anonymous

            I guess it’s “chic” now to look like the the only dress you own was the one issued to you by the orphanage you’ve been wearing every day since you were ten!  Shabby chic! 

        • grouchywif

          oh my hell.

          They want $98 on amazon for that prison dress. Unbelievable.

    • bethannstamps

      Loved Vic’s look. the team seemed to work OK. i am so over old Queen Bess, he is making older people look bad. Josh… i’d like to slap his little face and stomp on his foot for his behavior and comments. Becky you better get some attitude to protect yourself before you are auf’ed.  And little pagent girl… keep one eye out for her at all times, she’s aiming for everyones back.

    • Anonymous

      Good post and good analysis, boys.

    • Anonymous

      Heidi, please stop breaking the rules. The rules, such as they are, are already vague and subject to the whims of the producers.

      While a little drama thrown into a good fashion mix makes for good television, a lot of drama thrown into a poor fashion mix is not watchable. Project Runway has been on a downhill slide since it shifted to Lifetime (the accursed network that brings us Dancing Moms – or whatever the name of the show is with that female mouthbreathing troglodyte), and it might be time for Tim to consider getting out now while the getting is good.

    • Ella B. Mudge

      I am basically boycotting this show after last season, but in order to get some context for TLo, I watch the last half-hour or so.  This show is doo-doo and I may stop wasting a half-hour of my time, because TLo and the rest of you give me a good idea of what went on, and you are 1000% more fun than the show!

    • Anonymous

      Right On TLo! Thanks for expressing our feelings so well. 

    • A. Valera

      Wow!  I guess I am glad I decided to boycott the show after the Gretchen “win.”  It seems like PR is going down the toilet, fast…

    • Anonymous

      That dress! Seems Becky did all the tough sewing, and Anya added that strange stripe down the front—which did not seem to be straight or  fully attached. And I’m already sick to death of Anya’s racerbacks.

      • Anonymous

        It seemed to me that at least this time the racerback was completely appropriate for the challenge. Also, I think it was Josh that added the red stripe down everything in the collection “to tie it together.”  That zipper was a mess, though. I’m surprised the judges didn’t call it out.

    • lill5

      I get the feeling Clinique thinks he’s going to come out of this a Star! (complete with jazz hands) and we’ll all just love his catch-phrases and pouting and carrying on and think he’s such a fascinating little character. Instead he’s just a bitch who looks like Joan Crawford exploded all over his face.

    • Anonymous

      But most of the designers have mentioned that Bert makes ugly and inappropriate comments all the time, and doesn’t “play well with others” at any level.  Getting old and losing your friends doesn’t make you mean unless you are already mean.  Early on it seemed a number of the designers did try to reach out to Bert, but got their hands bitten off for their trouble.  He just thinks he is better than anyone else there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=564839755 Jillian Liszewski

      This was one of the most frustrating episodes of this show, ever.  Josh is a jerk.  When the judges suggested that there were no clear top/bottom teams in this contest, I was dumbfounded.  To me, this had the most clear winners and losers I had ever seen – Victor’s team won, and Anthony Ryan’s team lost.  That was that.  I am sure that you guys will cover the loss later, and I definitely look forward to reading it….  (digression.  Moving forward)  THANK YOU for summing up the feeling of the win in one page.  Victor’s outfit was adorable; I would have bought the tee that the poor man’s Michael Chiklis made as well.    

      As a person who manages other people, I am truly disturbed at the way Josh’s behavior was discussed.  Hell, as a human being, I was pretty disturbed at the judges congratulating him…  and why do they even have a guest judge?  They routinely ignore whatever they say, and the whole thing becomes the Nina and Michael show.

      The best part of the whole show was watching Heidi beat Bert in a race while wearing six inch heels.  Other than that, this was a producer’s damp dream, and a long time viewer’s nightmare.

    • paintedfish30

      I am so glad I am not watching this BS show anymore. 

    • Anonymous

      I have to say, I was hoping Tim Gunn was going to light into one or two people with his little speech, and then he winds up saying he’s proud instead.

      • Anonymous

        Me too. I’m hoping that maybe he did directly after the “you let it out” speech, but it was edited out.  For example, I’m proud you guys had the courage to speak the truth on the runway, but you guys need to be more respectful or something like that.

        But I always give Tim the benefit of the doubt.

    • Anonymous

      The only thing that made this week’s train wreck tolerable is your spot-on post.  You spoke for all bitter kittens everywhere!  Thank you.

      And now for a couple of random comments:

      Shemima said, “… kindergarten utopia”.  Clearly not an attendee of any school I ever taught in.  The main purpose of kindergarten is to slap a thin coat of civilization on these untamed free spirits befoe they sack and burn the place down.  

      Re Josh’s “forty to death” comment I respond: “Listen you overly made-up little weasel, I am in that demographic – also known as the demographic with enough money to buy your craptastic, bedazzled shit and the good taste not to.  Way to disrespect potential customers.

      I hope Josh’s treatment of Becky comes back to bite him.  He did not have to like her.  He did not have to like her design aesthetic.  He may have chosen her because he needed a seamstress.  No matter – he needed to treat her with some respect.  If not because he had any actual respect, then at least because he wanted her help.   Closing her out and dictating to her like a little bronze tyrant is a poor tactic in a game such as this.  He has revealed himself to his competition.  I sure hope someone (Becky for example) will take note of his behavior and crush him like a little bug in a later challenge.  In my post teaching career I led a lot of teams.   Josh’s sort of team leadership would have been met with immediate firing.

      • Anonymous

        “Re Josh’s “forty to death” comment I respond: “Listen you overly made-up little weasel, I am in that demographic – also known as the demographic with enough money to buy your craptastic, bedazzled shit and the good taste not to.”

        bwahahahah!!!

      • Anonymous

        As Casanova would say — AYHACLY….

    • Anonymous

      I have really begun to dislike the team challenges because the judges don’t seem to agree on the concept of team leader and team.  They want the team leader to lead, but they also want the team members to asset themselves and their own style.  They are just looking for conflict.  The show tries to justify the team challenges by saying the designers have to work on teams in the real world, but in the real world, a team leader has the concept and the team works together on that concept.

      Asking a team leader to mold a cohesive team out of 3 personalities in less than one day has nothing to do with the real world – its just a stunt to stir up as much drama as possible. I guess I’m assuming that Project Runway should be more about fashion design and less about drama and conflict.

    • Anonymous

      Wow.
      Correction: 8 people left before Cecilia spoke up. Horrible way to behave. I felt the same thing when Cameron left The Glee Project. You know what you are getting yourself into and you take the spot away from someone else. Just awful.
      Heidi standing on that track in 5 inch heels. Horrible way to dress for a track and field event.
      Much kudos on acknowledging that this was a purely sexist way to pick team leaders, thank you TLo. While women can be fierce and fast, put up against men it just isn’t fair. Just as I can’t stand to watch Wipeout anymore when I used to laugh myself silly at it, because it almost always ends up with an all men finale and so unfair.
      I HATE Anya’s dress. All of it. Hate hate hate and this is coming from me, who really thinks people use that word too much.
      Bryce’s dress was my favorite. I was so surprised he pulled that out, really cute. I wanted that to win.
      Carry on.

      • grouchywif

        I wonder why Miss Thang didn’t wear her New Balance shoes to the track, or at least some jeans. She did look pretty ridiculous in that outfit in that setting.

    • Anonymous

      Project Runway has turned into Project Run-amok. It’s become a complete farce, from the arbitrary selection of the designers to the idiocy and vagueness of many of the challenges to the completely out of order behavior of the designers to the crack judging, all under the auspices of totally manipulating producers. I feel much of this could be eliminated if Tim played a more active role or if he’s too tied up with his other commitments, have Uncle Nick in the role of Tim’s sous-mentor in the workroom for much of the day. 

    • Wellworn

      I sat in shock after last night’s show.  I read comments in the TLounge to find some solace in the wrongness of everything.  But not until reading this am I fully satisfied.  Boys, you have voiced everything I was thinking.  I feel like we’re sitting over coffee bitching about this travesty together.  You guys rock my world!  I have no other words about this mess because that would lessen the masterpiece of your review.  I bow to your greatness.  Love, just love…you, not PR.  Getting to hate PR.  On edge of my seat for your next one…no pressure there.

    • Anonymous

      i could barely stand watching miss clinique.  he was just horrible.

      • Anonymous

        And where did that come from? I know he’s always had attitude, but in a good way. The nastiness kind of took me by surprise.

        • Shawn Hill

          Haven’t you seen his face? He thinks he’s Joan Crawford.

          • Anonymous

            Oh wow, shades of Mommie Dearest!  Rousing Becky from her bed for tearful midnight sewing sessions with Becky at the machine. And then acting like we’re all one big happy family on the runway.  Smile for the camera, Christina!  I mean, Becky!  (Or Kimberly, whatever your name is!  I can’t be concerned!)

            • Anonymous

              And NO WIRE HANGERS!

    • Anonymous

      I think I’ve got it. Heidi really wanted Anthony to go home, MK and Nina felt that Danielle should go home. They compromised in that Heidi would let them spare Anthony if she got to give the win to Joshua so she could put the Maxi dress in her collection which she liked better then Victor’s.

      • Anonymous

        I think you’ve got it. In the Nina v. Heidi matchups, Nina ALWAYS wins, but this time it looks like Heidi put her foot down because it’s “her” challenge (and her collection). This episode pisses me off like no other since the Gretchen situation.

      • Anonymous

        I think you’ve got it. In the Nina v. Heidi matchups, Nina ALWAYS wins, but this time it looks like Heidi put her foot down because it’s “her” challenge (and her collection). This episode pisses me off like no other since the Gretchen situation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Isabeau-Mochrie/1580631451 Isabeau Mochrie

        Crikey!  I think you nailed it!

    • Anonymous

      That picture of Josh C with Tim is cracking me up. He looks like Dr. Tobias Funke. Can I get a “Huzzah!”?

    • http://youresomartha.wordpress.com Justine

      omg, what a great recap. this episode sucked, because of the bitchy designers and the crazy judging. ugh. “one slap and you’ll be enveloped in a cloud of chemicals and hair products.” best line of the whole recap. and bert needs to go next week, followed by clinque counter. i liked him in the first episode, but now? he should “drop dead”, in his words.

    • Anonymous

      The reason there are no front runners this year is because there are no outstanding designers.  Drama is the only hope.

      Let’s face it.  The show has gone nothing but downhill since the move to Lifetime.  And watching Top Chef go from strength to strength year over year only makes it more painful.

    • Kyle Henry

      This is why I watch Project Runway: Australia.  The comradery insights creativity while, in the US, bitchy behavior and vindictiveness result in a multitude of commercial, dulled-down garments lacking anything signature.

      I’ll be sticking to your recaps considering how many brain cells were sacrificed for this viewing.  Watching Santino berate Nina Garcia was more entertaining considering he was surrounded by professional designers.

    • Anonymous

      Jesus, Mary and Oprah! I could not BELIEVE they gave Josh a win. I though Viktor did so well leading his team and producing something nice. When Viktor was going down one road, Oliver made some thoughtful, constructive comments and Viktor adjusted? Team Work! (See Bert, you may be right, but presentation is important!)

      Josh did not design the dress (Anja sort of did) and Becky sewed it (because Anja cannot sew . . . why didn’t Becky bring that up!?!) Awful. I was so angry. Anja is dangerous. Did you see how last week (or was it the week before) when everyone was bitching about not cutting on the grain and she was all like, “I know, she totally has no skills.” This week she totally took Josh’s side on everything. Ugh. Poor Becky. And her clothes are not dowdy – in fact she worked with Kimberly on the stilts challenge and was in the top.

    • http://twitter.com/BethieJo Elizabeth Aldrich

      Glad you called out Anya on this one.  The reason she went into the Ladies’ Room to comfort and console Becky is that she, too, needed her sewing skills.  Don’t trust her, people.  She once again got credit for something someone else constructed.

    • Anonymous

      Bert is a grumpy old bitch & Josh is a complete maniac.  I mean, seriously, you call Becky’s designs “dowdy” then try to explain to her that was a compliment??  Step off, Miss Clinque Counter!

      And how cute was Josh C when he found out he was returning?!?

      Celia was a freaking hot mess on a stick & I’m glad she’s gone…blech…

    • Lori

      That closeup of Josh, wow, does he ever have the Eyebrows of Villainy.

    • Shawn Hill

      The thing about Clinique: he did oversee a cohesive collection. And he did apologize to Becky. And Anya did get him to do it. So while I do see him as an ass, I don’t see Anya as cunning. And I don’t blame Becky for crying, after the cruel thing he said to her. Arguing back doesn’t help, as Bert showed; but taking a moment might.

      • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

        Anya’s not cunning?  Ask yourself this: did she actually sew anything?  That girl’s no dummy and her look ended up on Amazon.

      • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

        Anya’s not cunning?  Ask yourself this: did she actually sew anything?  That girl’s no dummy and her look ended up on Amazon.

        • Shawn Hill

          I think she served as a mediator when her team needed one, and if it benefited her, it also didn’t hurt Becky. Which Clinique could have cared less about.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I don’t see him as “overseeing” a cohesive collection as much as I see him dictating one.  As in NON-benevolent dictator.  

      • Anonymous

        Fuck that so-called apology. Seriously. It was, “Oh, we’re all so tired. Bitch, get back in there and sew.”

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, that was about as hollow and meaningless as an apology could have possibly been…
          He apologized in the same way that a child would so that he can get ungrounded and not have to miss their friends birthday party they wanted to go to…
          I”m just kinda right now at this very moment realizing how lacking this season is in strong women…

          • Shawn Hill

            Sometimes you have to accept the form over the content, though. Her ass was on the line. He made a gesture. That mattered more than whether he meant it, and she did become more assertive from that point. We’ve seen designers who won’t ever admit they’re wrong, under any circumstances. Hmm, time to go see if Laura’s blog is up on mylifetime, come to think of it.

            • Anonymous

              That’s backwards.  She started standing up for herself, and he started covering his ass.

    • Shawn Hill

      The thing about Clinique: he did oversee a cohesive collection. And he did apologize to Becky. And Anya did get him to do it. So while I do see him as an ass, I don’t see Anya as cunning. And I don’t blame Becky for crying, after the cruel thing he said to her. Arguing back doesn’t help, as Bert showed; but taking a moment might.

    • Anonymous

      Wow. I was so upset by this episode I didn’t realize that the dress on the ‘little bronze tyrant’s’ (thank you RosiesGirl!) team won. I thought that horrible ripped up vest-thingy w/shorts won because that was the only thing he spoke to. Worst episode ever. I hate team challenges because it’s so obviously meant to create drama. It’s like watching a movie Clint Eastwood directs – you know he’s trying to make you cry at the end – I cry – and then feel SO manipulated it makes me mad. Consequently, I don’t watch Clint Eastwood directed films anymore – I still watch Project Runway, but it’s on thin ice. Stop manipulating Bunim/Murray – I don’t watch Real World anymore for a reason.

    • Anonymous

      Wow. I was so upset by this episode I didn’t realize that the dress on the ‘little bronze tyrant’s’ (thank you RosiesGirl!) team won. I thought that horrible ripped up vest-thingy w/shorts won because that was the only thing he spoke to. Worst episode ever. I hate team challenges because it’s so obviously meant to create drama. It’s like watching a movie Clint Eastwood directs – you know he’s trying to make you cry at the end – I cry – and then feel SO manipulated it makes me mad. Consequently, I don’t watch Clint Eastwood directed films anymore – I still watch Project Runway, but it’s on thin ice. Stop manipulating Bunim/Murray – I don’t watch Real World anymore for a reason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Lynn/514336583 Donna Lynn

      If one more person says the word “fresh” on this show, I may have to mute the TV. I didn’t keep count, but that word must have been uttered at least 50 times in one hour.  Second place goes to “fashion-forward”.  I loved that Heidi told Becky flat out that she could end up getting thrown under a bus.  Good advice. Josh picking one teammate for design input and one for sewing skills was indeed smart. Treating one like dirt and the other like his new BFF? – I’ll console myself with the vision of Josh having his desk superglued shut by his co-workers someday. I don’t fault Anya for playing both sides of that fence. That was a smacked ass challenge with craziness happening all over the place. I’d do whatever it takes to get out of it alive too.  I also don’t know that Bert was celebrating the criticism of his teammates so much as feeling vindicated. After both of them spent so much time telling him how he was on the wrong track and making the wrong thing, it must have felt pretty good to be told his was the best part of that collection. Of course, the fact that it was being compared to gym shorts not even the worst public school in America would inflict on their students hardly makes it a “win”. It was the snide comments on the runway that were unnecessary. I missed the last “team challenge” and thought I was safe….oh well. Maybe when they get down to the last 6 or 7 people, one of them will actually design something.

      • Anonymous

        Seriously what the hell does fashion-forward even mean in context of being told to make a dress for an athletic company inspired by denim and suede tennis shoes? Aside from no cowls.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Lynn/514336583 Donna Lynn

      If one more person says the word “fresh” on this show, I may have to mute the TV. I didn’t keep count, but that word must have been uttered at least 50 times in one hour.  Second place goes to “fashion-forward”.  I loved that Heidi told Becky flat out that she could end up getting thrown under a bus.  Good advice. Josh picking one teammate for design input and one for sewing skills was indeed smart. Treating one like dirt and the other like his new BFF? – I’ll console myself with the vision of Josh having his desk superglued shut by his co-workers someday. I don’t fault Anya for playing both sides of that fence. That was a smacked ass challenge with craziness happening all over the place. I’d do whatever it takes to get out of it alive too.  I also don’t know that Bert was celebrating the criticism of his teammates so much as feeling vindicated. After both of them spent so much time telling him how he was on the wrong track and making the wrong thing, it must have felt pretty good to be told his was the best part of that collection. Of course, the fact that it was being compared to gym shorts not even the worst public school in America would inflict on their students hardly makes it a “win”. It was the snide comments on the runway that were unnecessary. I missed the last “team challenge” and thought I was safe….oh well. Maybe when they get down to the last 6 or 7 people, one of them will actually design something.

    • Anonymous

      I am so glad I didn’t waste one minute watching this, but read your recaps!!! Excellent, as always!!! Thanks!!

      If they want this show to not die on the vine, they need to hire you two to direct/produce it!!

      • Anonymous

        Oooh!

    • jeneria

      How long are they going to let Bert the Bitch stick around?  He is so irritating and thoroughly unlikeable.

      • Anonymous

        Actually Bert was extremely funny last night when he shut down the Clinique Counter over the sewing machine.
         When you work with someone like Bert in real life and he can’t be bothered to remember your name. You kiss him on the lips hard. And say  “Now you will remember.” and he will.

        • Eclectic Mayhem

          *after much laughter* Sewing Siren, you’re a genius!

    • Anonymous

      Best.Post.Ever! Ok, maybe not because you guys are too good, but DAYUM, you called it like the rest of us saw it. I cannot believe that second win.  And if they were going to give a second win, why not for Bryce’s dress which he designed and they loved?

      ETA: That “racing stripe” just did not look appropriate where it was positioned. and it looked poorly glued on.

      • margaret meyers

        And that zipper.  yessh, what a mess.

    • Cheri Lee

      “He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women.” I work with someone who behaves just like Josh and who gets rewarded for that behavior. He came at me one day and I threatened his tiny little ass and he thinks twice now before even speaking to me.  I’m not above smacking some sense into a drama queen.
      When behavior like that is rewarded it just makes the person worse. I didn’t like this episode at all. Only Viktor should have won, dog blankets should have been brought back, and there was too much focus on people hating on each other.

      Favorite line of the night :”I haven’t been this mad since I had cancer.” Oh lawdy!

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        I nearly did a spit-take when Anthony said that.

    • Anonymous

      Two things:

      1. My unsatisfying dislike of Clinique is making me yearn for the days of Jeffrey hate.  At least he had charisma.

      2. These young-un designers need to stop and think before they go all Logan’s Run on the oldies.  When I was in my 20s, I most definitely could not afford fancy, designer clothing. Spending $50 on a top was a Big Deal.  Now that I’m nearing the 40-death range, I have more disposable income for more expensive clothing…

    • Anonymous

      Did I miss something about Anya? I didn’t see any reprehensible behavior, other than her failing to repeatedly slap Josh into next week. Sure she could have backed up Becky more, but we don’t know what was edited out.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, Josh gave her an opportunity to go with one of her designs and listen to her input. Sure, she didn’t offer to support or really go to bat for Becky, but she also wasn’t the team leader and that wasn’t exactly her job.
        She was just being smart, or thought she was, i mean, it was was her design that did win (though it shouldn’t have).

        Had she reeeally been smart though she could have defended Becky and they both could probably have gotten Josh kicked off and come out ahead of the pack…

        So, yeah, i say she wasn’t being terrible at all, but she could have been better and smarter…

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, Josh gave her an opportunity to go with one of her designs and listen to her input. Sure, she didn’t offer to support or really go to bat for Becky, but she also wasn’t the team leader and that wasn’t exactly her job.
        She was just being smart, or thought she was, i mean, it was was her design that did win (though it shouldn’t have).

        Had she reeeally been smart though she could have defended Becky and they both could probably have gotten Josh kicked off and come out ahead of the pack…

        So, yeah, i say she wasn’t being terrible at all, but she could have been better and smarter…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002673395871 Roadkill Writer’s Camp

      Yep, Anya is a player, but that’s not a bad thing. Talking Becky down after the glow worm steamrolled her is basic teamwork. It doesn’t have to be entirely sincere, just effective. (Of course, this will not help her overcome her racer-back and flipping-the-zipper tendencies.) It was not her responsibility to make sure Becky had input beyond her sewing skills. That was Shineola’s job. And Becky’s. She could have channeled Bert and made the outfit she wanted, or pulled the plug on Butch Wax on the runway with a little more spirit. Didn’t see anything from Team Crisco that was particularly noteworthy. The judges must be sniffing someone’s trainers.
       
      Liked all of Team Victor’s items, especially his design. Kudos to Olivier for trying to make the prairie skirt work. It didn’t, but it’s an idea that perhaps with a better overall fit, more thought and time could work well with the concept/shoes. In other words an entirely different top and skirt. But hey, he sticks to his guns and vision, which elevates him as a designer whether one likes the individual designs or not.  His stuff seems to me to have loads of promise – even that kooky little taquito-wrap of a top last week.  And you have to love that he ran the silly race so headlong he not only bunged his knee, he swooned. Take that simpering Cecilia!

      • margaret meyers

        Roadkill lives up to their name!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002673395871 Roadkill Writer’s Camp

          Yeah, I’m waiting for the armadillo bag challenge…

    • Anonymous

      TLo were dead right about this episode – I agreed with everything they said with 2 additions.

      Since when do they follow someone into the bathroom – give me a break.  That is so Real World/Big Brother. I can’t believe these are the tactics they are stooping to.

      And 2, the judging when Heidi talked about not judging the designer’s entire work, but just the work from the episode.  Michael and Nina changed the rules – again.  Just like last year, when they made styling the winning factor.  Heidi should have kicked them in the ass.

    • Anonymous

      as much as i loved Viktors…it reminded me much too much of Aprils collection for New Balance in my season- the dress and jacket that Iffi wore-it was a cropped moto jacket with an asymmettrical hemmed dress in the same colors.  just sayin’ – I was there, i remember.

      • Anonymous

        Valerie, you’re right! Though it was my favorite look, hands down. By the way, how much of this drama is manufactured, in your opinion, and how much of it is people’s true personalities coming out under pressure?

      • Anonymous

        Oh Valerie, now I remember too! It would be interesting to hear your perspective on the drama and the clothes. You are so talented.  How is it to see the show as an alum?

        • Anonymous

          Gee, you’d think HEIDI would have remembered she’s seen that before!

    • Anonymous

      Season 10 is going to be painful. All this sort of shit does is scare talented designers away as they start realizing that “Contestant on Project Runway” is going to put their resume on the fast track to the circular file.

    • Anonymous

      The sad thing is that pulling Julie back in, while it would have been fair, would have also been good for her because sportswear was more her kind of challenge. 

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for the recap TLo; I totally agree with your assessment of the mini collections, but I am so glad I am not watching this show anymore.  The ProducerFest you described sounds awful.

    • Scott Hester-Johnson

      I broke my cardinal rule and read this before I finished watching the whole ep; you guys are just too irresistible.

      The reason for the Josh vs Bert fight is that they are actually the same person.

      Josh IS Bert, pre-alcoholism, pre-Palm Springs (Cathedral City, really) condo, pre-weight gain and pre-giving up on life. He just can’t see it.

      But his little subconscious does and is acting out, resisting the inevitable.

      Too late, Josh. Too late.

      • http://twitter.com/alienspouse Jen Alien-Spouse

        That’s exactly what I was going to say! 

        I suspect Josh is used to skating on those youthful good looks (in my house we think he looks like Ryan Reynold’s queeny brother), and so hasn’t bothered to learn how to play nicely with others, but what on earth will he do when he himself hits the “forty to death demographic”? I’m pretty sure Burt is actually Future-Josh with access to a time-travel machine.

        • http://xoxotara.wordpress.com Tara Melissa

          I will never un-see the Ryan Reynolds thing now. Thanks for that ;-)

          • Anonymous

            (Snork!) I’m right there with you! That’s spot-on, Jen!

    • Joyce VG

      I yelled “DOWDY?”! at the tv screen.  I cringed at so many things last night.  I remember the first Real World season in New York.  I’m that old.  And what is old is new again. GAH!  Boo. Bad.   So disappointed.  But, I did love Victor’s dress and jacket.  I’d love to have that dress.  So so so disappointed otherwise.

    • Joyce VG

      I yelled “DOWDY?”! at the tv screen.  I cringed at so many things last night.  I remember the first Real World season in New York.  I’m that old.  And what is old is new again. GAH!  Boo. Bad.   So disappointed.  But, I did love Victor’s dress and jacket.  I’d love to have that dress.  So so so disappointed otherwise.

    • Anonymous

      This episode made me very, very sad.  I just turned off the TV afterwards with a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.  They went out of their way to award all the sociopath bitches and screw anyone who just kept their head down.  Ugly, nasty stuff.  And not something I’ll continue to watch if it continues.  This is not the Project Runway I know and love.

      I’ve just about had it with the crazy, capricious judging.  EVERY other challenge in every other season, if someone “just sewed” during a team challenge they landed in major shit.  But this time Becky is just supposed to accept that as her lot?  It always makes me laugh when they start talking about acting “like a real design team.”  Yeah, Nina, except the lead designer hasn’t had to earn an ounce of respect to get there, and everyone on the team is in a design competition and up for elimination.  How the hell does that translate into how a “real” design team would react.

      Over Bert.  BEYOND over Josh.  You know it’s a terrible episode when Viktor, of all people, come out smelling like a rose.  Tons of drama, and at the end of the day no great designs to discuss to balance things out.  Just shitty half-workout clothes that no one would wear.  If they don’t start clearing out some of these bitches and start focusing on actual fashion, I’m out.  I didn’t even threaten to quit watching after the Gretchen Fiasco, upsetting as that was.  But this… just makes me sad and not wanting to turn on the tube again.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        If they don’t start clearing out some of these bitches and start focusing on actual fashion, I’m out.

        thats the problem. they dont have it in em. they cant do it. most of the people they cast this season–emphasis on cast–have seriously minimal design talent. i had a great analogy in my head yesterday before i went to sleep, something i cant precisely remember now. it had to do w/ a bunch of three legged dogs & a single enormous steak several blocks away & how, knowing each doesnt really have what it takes to get there first, they start biting one another to keep each other back. half forgotten it doesnt really work as an analogy & it does, indeed, leave out people who actually do fairly good work, ie: kimberley &, of all people, that dowdy becky. but it still kinda sorta fits the rest of them. & it’s one of the things that makes this the most hateful of all PR seasons, like, EVAR.

    • Anonymous

      This episode made me very, very sad.  I just turned off the TV afterwards with a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.  They went out of their way to award all the sociopath bitches and screw anyone who just kept their head down.  Ugly, nasty stuff.  And not something I’ll continue to watch if it continues.  This is not the Project Runway I know and love.

      I’ve just about had it with the crazy, capricious judging.  EVERY other challenge in every other season, if someone “just sewed” during a team challenge they landed in major shit.  But this time Becky is just supposed to accept that as her lot?  It always makes me laugh when they start talking about acting “like a real design team.”  Yeah, Nina, except the lead designer hasn’t had to earn an ounce of respect to get there, and everyone on the team is in a design competition and up for elimination.  How the hell does that translate into how a “real” design team would react.

      Over Bert.  BEYOND over Josh.  You know it’s a terrible episode when Viktor, of all people, come out smelling like a rose.  Tons of drama, and at the end of the day no great designs to discuss to balance things out.  Just shitty half-workout clothes that no one would wear.  If they don’t start clearing out some of these bitches and start focusing on actual fashion, I’m out.  I didn’t even threaten to quit watching after the Gretchen Fiasco, upsetting as that was.  But this… just makes me sad and not wanting to turn on the tube again.

    • Anonymous

      You guys are so on the money with everything you said. I guess this show jumped the shark the second Bunim Murray/Lifetime got their hands on it.

    • Robert Sanchez

      Thank you, guys. Telling it like it is!

    • Erika Shor

      Awesome recap, thanks! I loved Viktor’s outfit. I will reiterate that right now he is my favorite (in terms of his designs, not his personality) and I hope he goes far on the show.

      Also, I think this episode puts to rest the question of whether there are any judges’ pets on the show. One: Joshua. Two: Anthony Ryan.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve found the best way to watch The Real World Parsons this season. I forgot the show was on until it was just about time for the runway so I missed most of the stupid sewing room drama. Based solely on what walked down the runway, Viktor was the clear winner. Josh M. won for a dress he didn’t design or make and looks like everything else Anya has designed. This season sucks so far even when I only watch the second half of the show. 

      • Anonymous

        LOVE “The Real World: Parsons.”  Very apt.

    • Anonymous

      Word, word word to every single point in this post. I’ve known Anya’s type since I was 14 and I see Josh’s type every singe day here in NYC. What I would like to see is how they react the day they’re no longer the prettiest girl in the room or god forbid the calendar flips to 40. What a double scoop of d-bags.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly.  Well said.

    • Anonymous

      I love the screen cap you chose for Olivier.     He looks like a broken doll lying on the track.  

      The drama.   No.   I hate it.   Usually, the day after the program, I look back at all the clips on Lifetime, but I don’t want to relive any of that stuff any more.    

      We don’t really have to have bitchy people to entertain us.  Funny, wisecracking, singing people can entertain us just as much.   More, really.

    • http://twitter.com/alienspouse Jen Alien-Spouse

      The apology to Becky was so transparenty insincere – I just WISH Josh had a sense of self-parody, and had said that he wanted to make “Dowdy” happen as the fashion equivalent of “Bad”, or “Sick”.

    • AMartel

      THIS!
      Did La Josh call Becky “Kimberly” at the end, after he won?  Sounded like he did.  Them wimmen all look the same to La Josh.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, he did.  Because, after all, zaftig blonde white women and tall, dark-haired, African-American women are easily confused with each other.

        He is such a jerk.

        • AMartel

          Josh only bothers to learn the names of the filthy vagina beings who fit his aesthetic.
          Gawd I’m tired of gay guys freely expressing contempt for women, and thinking it’s funny and acceptable.

        • Anonymous

          We all look alike.  And I bet we stink, too.

    • Anonymous

      And it looks like they kept that awful zipper for the final design on Amazon. The only place I ever see exposed zippers like that is on Project Runway! Is it that hard to sew in a zipper?

      • Anonymous

        actually, yeah. Zippers and welt pockets are the hardest things to sew in straight, but they look stupid not sewn in. I don’t understand this trend at all.

        But even when sewed straight on top of the dress–on the front it puckered and on the back they didn’t sew it down all the way so it was flippity flapping in the wind. Just awful.

      • Anonymous

        actually, yeah. Zippers and welt pockets are the hardest things to sew in straight, but they look stupid not sewn in. I don’t understand this trend at all.

        But even when sewed straight on top of the dress–on the front it puckered and on the back they didn’t sew it down all the way so it was flippity flapping in the wind. Just awful.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1663121863 Donna DeVore Metler

      I can kind of feel for Bert. I’m almost 20 years younger than he is, and at pushing 40, I have little or no patience for middle school girl-type antics, so I can see him being done and frustrated with the whole thing. Bert isn’t going to be the kind, warm, fuzzy-type taking the younger designers under his wing (Peach), while largely remaining in the shadows on his own designs, or even have that 1-1 mentoring, supportive relationship like Mila had with Maya. It’s simply not in his personality. The only other type cast role he can be put in is the has-been who doesn’t know anything, and he’s unwilling to suffer fools graciously. He’s not going to let himself be pushed into the seamstress role and try to be a team player-if the team doesn’t want them, fine.

      He wants to design good, not silly, not gimmicky clothes and do it well, and stay out of the BS, and do it by himself. And I tend to think that there’s a place for that-but it’s not on this season of PR (and you note that on the Nina challenge, which is as “normal” as this season has been so far, he blended in). Unfortunately, the drama that is caused because he doesn’t want to play the game is enough that I’m betting he’ll be around until close to the end, even though he’s got no prayer of winning because the judges don’t want to see good, not silly, not gimmicky clothes. And, realistically, the best chance to get rid of him IS the silly, gimmicky challenge for not playing the game, because he’s probably going to continue to send down simple, classic, clean looks, which doesn’t lead to the train wrecks that get you send home, and he’s got skill. Even his pet store challenge dress fit into that about as well as anything from a pet store could. Unfortunately, he’s doing serious harm to his professional reputation by staying-and he’s not Maya or Cecilia to give up.

    • Now I am The Bee

      TLo, you are so damned smart.  I agree with everthing you’ve said here.   The whole episode was disturbing and almost depressing. 

    • MilaXX

      Okay just watched the ep.  Can’t say I disagree with TLo’s assessment of the episode; too much drama, not enough designing.
      I still like the 2 winning designs but think it was unfair that they choose 2 winners. Draub colors and Oliver’s farmer dress aside, Viktor’s team had a better collection. Oilver’s dress had some potential, but I can’t see it with any athletic shoe of any kind. On JoshM’s team I like the maxi dress and the shredded vest look. Becky’s outfit was awful, but with all the tension and fighting it’s no wonder it looked like that. I’m sorry, but Bert is a douche. His outfit was nice but also not right for the challenge. If he had compromised and made pencil pants like what Mary Tyler Moore wore on the old Dick Van Dyke show ti might have worked. Sadly Laura and Anthony Ryan got too caught up in Bert drama and made truly fugly looks. I also like Bryce and Kimberly’s looks.

    • Anonymous

      Viktor’s dress and jacket were amazing.  That jacket was AMAZING.  Beautifully constructed and looked like it was a 400 garment sitting on that runway.  Gasp worthy.

      ProductTwink was such a cliche.  I don’t like him either, but Bert is the one I hate the most.  I liked the maxi dress without the front and back stripes, but it wasn’t near the “OMG I wish I was model thin so I could buy that dress and leather jacket” squeal when I saw Viktors.

    • Anonymous

      And another thing–in a year where we are finally dealing with the subject of bullying, why showcase every bullying scenario there is?  The picking teams scenario, the two against one scenario, the I’m-good-at-one-irrelevant-thing(running)-and-that-means-I’m-good-at-everything-scenario.  We tell kids it gets better and then showcase a bunch of adults behaving like they’re in junior high.  For shame, Lifetime!

    • Anonymous

      Drama is only good if the integrity of the show is intact.  I came back this season, hoping that last season was a fluke.  I hoped that during the break, the producers, Lifetime, Heidi, et. al., would have an epiphany and realize that good TV does not come from trying to intentionally manipulate the audience.  Good reality TV comes from talented editors capturing and presenting real moments with real people.  The audience has to be able to count on the judges, at least, to be sincere and honest.  I started this season solely because I love Tim Gunn.  If his integrity goes, there’s nothing left.

      Also,  have you noticed there is not a single stand out designer in the pack?  Not one that you can be sure will be in the final.  It is a sea of mediocrity.  I don’t even remember any of their names from week to week.  Sad, sad, sad sad.  I really miss PR.

    • Anonymous

      I liked that you pointed out that Bert is what he is, all up front, take it or leave it.  Josh’s drama is contrived to get the camera on him, but he is also two-faced.  In my book, Josh is more sinister.  Under all Josh’s make-up is one very unhappy vindictive bitch.

    • Anonymous

      I liked that you pointed out that Bert is what he is, all up front, take it or leave it.  Josh’s drama is contrived to get the camera on him, but he is also two-faced.  In my book, Josh is more sinister.  Under all Josh’s make-up is one very unhappy vindictive bitch.

    • Anonymous

      I liked that you pointed out that Bert is what he is, all up front, take it or leave it.  Josh’s drama is contrived to get the camera on him, but he is also two-faced.  In my book, Josh is more sinister.  Under all Josh’s make-up is one very unhappy vindictive bitch.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_56DPRFBMRP4MZCICMG6X6GBMIA t_j_newton

      After he shoved his way into the women’s bathroom and “apologized,” he started a group hug then broke it off half a second because he was grossed out being around “sanitary products.” There were none visible, no reason to assume any were there at all, he just conjured up phantom tampons so he could express his disgust at them. Dude has issues with women.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_56DPRFBMRP4MZCICMG6X6GBMIA t_j_newton

        I swear this was a reply to an earlier post. It wasn’t intended to be a stand-alone. But in case it isn’t clear, I was talking about Josh.

        • Shawn Hill

          Don’t worry, we remember. He’s a shallow twink, no one doubts it.

          • Anonymous

            Like we “choose” to menustrate.  Why don’t you just put us in exile for the duration?  Unclean!  Thanks for the condesending hug!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

      One slap and you’ll be enveloped in a cloud of chemicals and hair products.
      BWAHAAHAAA!!!! Inspired bitchery about last night Bitch-in-Chief!  Mr. Clinique Counter really made a complete ass of himself as team leader.

      As for Viktor, I love the jacket, very well done, and versatile.  Personally I don’t love the dress, but the jacket and dress together work very well.
      bitchybitchybitchy

    • Anonymous

      This episode was so F-ed up. In previous team challenges, the Judges raged on people for “Not Standing Up for their Designs”. This time they praised Clinique for for telling Becky to shut up and sew? Wha?

      And Clinique is just plain mean. He tells Becky her designs are dowdy, then when she is hurt/mad tells her he’s not in the mood for her drama?! Her drama!!! Clinique, honey. YOU ARE THE DRAMA QUEEN.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BC7QJMCQBTG5HNTKRGWOVOH4SY Kathryn

      Does Anya make the same top all the time because that way she doesn’t have to fit shoulders and armholes?  No wrinkles above the armholes, no mess sleeves.  What could be easier?

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

        She makes tubes with racerbacks. The judges have yet to realize this, it seems.

    • Anonymous

       “He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women.”

      It always floors me on this show how so many people who have been discriminated against for something that is a fundamental part of their person can turn around and treat someone else like shit because they’re female, older, and/or non-thin.  I’m reminded of the ‘real woman’ challenges where there’s always one or two designers (who are usually gay men) fainting away at the horror of having to dress a size 14.  I don’t. Get. It.  How would they like it if somebody didn’t want to work with them because they were ‘too gay’?  Have some empathy, will you? 

      In short, Josh isn’t just a jerk– he’s a ageist, misogynist bigot.  It was clear EXACTLY what he meant by ‘dowdy.’

    • Anonymous

      I don’t get why so many people keep defending Bert and trying to explain his childish attitude. I’m 90% sure that if Bert was 30 years younger he would get criticized as much as Josh.

      • Anonymous

        Edgar – please explain – what we saw Bert do that compare in ANY WAY to Josh’s behavior?

      • Anonymous

        Let’s see.  If you were on a team at your job working on a project, and the rest of your team ignored you and rejected any input you try to give, and then they bad mouthed you to your boss and blamed all the team’s failures on you, wouldn’t you give a cheer if your boss said, “Edgar_r did the best work on this project, and the rest of you just gave me crap”?

        • Anonymous

          I’ll tell you what. I cheered too when they said Bert made the best garment in the group. I mean, I can tell he’s tough to work with, but it looked to me as though he was at least trying to be part of the team. Anthony and Laura kept dismissing him, in the same way Josh M. and Anya (by never disagreeing with Josh’s edicts) dismissed Becky. And it pains me to criticize Anthony, because I love him.

          I think at this point, “Bert v. the rest of the designers” is a vicious circle. We don’t know how it started. Maybe it’s because I’m so close to Bert’s age, but I’m willing to give him some room here, even though he does act like a child sometimes.

          • Anonymous

            Trying to be part of the team!?  Oh, good gravy Marie.

            • Anonymous

              Ha! I guess we all interpret things differently. But, yeah, I think he tried at the beginning. He made suggestions for designs, and Anthony Ryan and Laura shot him down repeatedly. And Anthony Ryan tried to have a reasonable discussion with him, and Bert was having none of it. I don’t think anyone tried very hard, but I can’t say no one tried.

              I just think it’s turned into a situation that’s impossible to resolve. No one is going to budge an inch.  The other designers think Bert is a miserable SOB, and Bert thinks they’re all untalented hicks.

        • Anonymous

          Why, no, I DON’T cheer when that happens.  Until I’m in the car and on the way home!

          I also don’t refuse to collaborate like Bert.

      • MilaXX

        I’m over Bert. He can give as good as he gets & he’s giving loads of nasty attitude. Not bothering to learn people names because he deems them not worthy? Openly cheering someone getting the butts handed to them on the runway? Nasty  & unsportsmanlike, even worse immature.  In fact I bet Bert was just like Josh in his younger years. Also his clothes? Nice, well made, but not nearly as young and modern as he seems to think they are.

    • averill stevenson

      I can’t wait to go home and read all these comments!  Pardon if this is not an original thought, but am I the only one seeing Josh as the living reincarnation of JOAN CRAWFORD!?!?!    Seriously! 

    • Lynn Landry

      Thank you for this healing post. While we want drama, I at least want the biggest bitch to be the best designer. My hubby and I were just freaking out all over this. And, I really resented Josh’s remark about the dowdy and the old and the 40 to death demographic. Fuck him. He’s going to get old and have to go strut around on the A-List. I know Bert is difficult, but I’m thinking that these freaking babies are actually the agist assholes that Bert is alleging and maybe his reaction is just a real reaction to a bunch of snarling, sniveling little brats. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. And as for Anya, I was suspicious of the pageant queen all along. I mean, aren’t beauty pageants the first reality shows!

    • Beth Reed

      Viktor is officially entitled to hiss.

      Here I am, on my couch, thinking, “Well, that was the weirdest episode I’ve ever seen, at least they gave the win to the right–WHAT THE FUCK.”

    • Beth Reed

      Viktor is officially entitled to hiss.

      Here I am, on my couch, thinking, “Well, that was the weirdest episode I’ve ever seen, at least they gave the win to the right–WHAT THE FUCK.”

    • Lynn Landry

      getting josh c back was safe to play the game. they assume josh c will get the shitcan giving them one more week to pass by unscathed. it was strategic. julie may possibly have course corrected enough to do something interesting.

    • http://twitter.com/astrosexy єℓιzαвєтн。

      As soon as Victor’s look walked out, I knew he would win. Though I thought he’d be THE winner, not A winner. The last fifteen minutes of the show had me sitting back in my chair dazed at the judges’ comments and decisions. Praising Josh M. when he was nothing but a bully? How many team challenges have we seen where team leaders were lambasted for railroading their fellow contestants? Clinique wasn’t a good leader, he was just arrogant and mean.

      And calling out Anthony Ryan (albeit his look was disastrous) for not working well with Bert when Bert did his damnedest to be uncooperative and incendiary. I am still shocked that they didn’t say anything about Bert acting literally like a five year-old onstage.

      Arg.

    • http://postsomethingcreative.blogspot.com Nicole

      Alright, so clearly I a in unpopular-opinion land, but I don’t hate Josh M.  Yes, he’s a bitch, but he wanted to win and did what he thought he had to to do it.  I don’t think I agree with his methods, but it is a competition, and he chose the “claw-your-way-through” strategy.  It make not get him the win, but he’ll probably be around for awhile.  

      • Anonymous

        But it was just so unnecessary. The contorted result would lead one to believe that his bitchiness was a winning strategy, the price one pays for excellence, but I think the cart led the horse in this case — they had to give him the win to justify this story arc that they exploited throughout the episode.

    • Rachel Goldstein

      Yes, yes yes. Thank you for telling it like it is. This is why I keep watching this show, for your spot on recaps. I kept thinking that the designers youth really shows when they don’t know how to handle challenging personalities and turn into total bitches (mostly thinking of Anthony Ryan here). There was no excuse for how Josh treated Becky and how long it took him to half-ass apologize. What a dick. Sure, Bert is an old pain in the butt, but I think humor and cajoling could go much further with him. I guess at some point in life, you figure out how to work with a-holes or you just don’t. Also totally lame that they gave Josh and win and he did nada on that garment, and then auf’d someone who wasn’t a lead? Baffling. 

    • Anonymous

      I agree and appreciate your comments about Bert.  I am still distressed that he allowed himself to cheer on the runway when the others were being criticized.  I felt it was beneath him and it was really disappointing.  And I also think that he needs to learn how to make some kind of relationship with others because he will be working with all kinds of people.  And these people will treat him like crap, make ageist comments, be undermining, and so forth.  I wish he had shown more class and less snarkiness this last episode.  But I concur with the dilemma he faces and I still love his work.

      • Anonymous

        You can be damn sure that if the person who is stealing a multi-million dollar contract from me (and belittling me the entire time) were called out – I’d have to fight REALLLLLLLY hard not to at least  smile/smirk.     (hell who am I kidding a dance of joy would be in order).

        Granted that is a larger scale; but also a place where more professionalism would be necessary
         

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        I wish Becky had told Josh to drop dead. It would have felt so much better to watch.

    • Jennifer Weinfeld

      TLo, you were right on every front.  It’s been said 327 times below, so no need for me to dive into the “____ is a douchebag” conversation.  How about this — has there ever been a season with so few LIKEABLE people?  I think I like Kimberly, Becky, and Mormon Josh…and um, I’m pretty sure that’s it.  Either this is a room full of the nastiest, most narcissistic, ridiculous people on the planet or Bunim Murray is editing…wait a minute!!!  I’m so sad about my wonderful show.

    • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

      The big difference between Bert and Josh is that Bert was right. Josh was wrong yet got rewarded for it.

      • Anonymous

        I think Bert will be in the final three.  He won’t win because he is too minimalist but he will be in the final three.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Shields/1200782178 Michelle Shields

      I liked Viktor’s dress and jacket. He’s Mondo 2.0

    • http://twitter.com/vintagegoddess just julie

      “Oh, and look a that; it’s the Privilege Olympics, where everyone who isn’t a man in his 20s doesn’t get to lead a team. Next week, the girls will have to do all their work in corsets and 4-inch heels while the boys can wear their pajamas.”
      THANK YOU!

    • http://twitter.com/MandySCG MandyJane

      This was one of my least favorite episodes of all time. I absolutely hate all those bitchy “real” housewives shows, I hate the way all “reality” shows have sunk to that level. While I do enjoy a little drama on PR, I enjoy seeing talented people overcoming difficult obstacles much more. I was utterly disgusted when they let Josh win. 

    • pdobiel

      Can I get an A.MEN up in here?!  Spot on guys!  Congrats to Viktor, you should never have to share the winning prize with that piece of crap Josh M. 

    • pdobiel

      oh and an FYI — yeah Bryce is gay =)

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for articulating what was so wrong with this episode of Project Runway. I think your thesis is spot on. These designers are being treated like lab rats.    

    • Anonymous

      343 comments!??!! jesus christmascakes!  I’m just going to chuck my two cents into this ring and say EFF THAT MAXI DRESS SHIT,L Y’ALL. Those dresses look ridiculous and muu-muu-ish on most people, and can’t even be worn by anyone shorter than 5’6″. Worse, Anya’s worn nothing but maxi dresses on the show, and has MADE nothing but maxi dresses, and styled all her models exactly like her. And she’s pretty, and has a style, but it’s not THAT original, interesting or exciting that I want to see nothing but it for the next eight weeks. Christ. This was a hideous episode. And Josh can take his ageism and shove it right up his ass alongside his head – does he think he’ll never hit 35? 40? 60?

      • http://www.facebook.com/reneeamanda.heywood Renee- Amanda Heywood

        Absolutely WRONG! In the first challenge she created a top and wide legged trousers, the second a halter and a mini skirt, a dress with Olivier for the stilt challenge, and a JUMPSUIT for NINA! But why let yourself get bogged down by the facts…

        • Anonymous

          Yes, it’s easy to mix-up things we’ve seen Anya wear and things we’ve seen Anya design.  This IS however the THIRD racerback/halter, and the other two were sleeveless.  In her designer page, she’s featured in a dress that looks like it could be in a collection with this one.  It’s not a crime, but not exactly worthy of raves and wins.

        • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

          The trousers and jumpsuit were nice pieces, but her tops and dresses all seem to have the same basic shape to them. She has a clear aesthetic, and so far the judges are responding very well to it.

    • Anonymous

      343 comments!??!! jesus christmascakes!  I’m just going to chuck my two cents into this ring and say EFF THAT MAXI DRESS SHIT,L Y’ALL. Those dresses look ridiculous and muu-muu-ish on most people, and can’t even be worn by anyone shorter than 5’6″. Worse, Anya’s worn nothing but maxi dresses on the show, and has MADE nothing but maxi dresses, and styled all her models exactly like her. And she’s pretty, and has a style, but it’s not THAT original, interesting or exciting that I want to see nothing but it for the next eight weeks. Christ. This was a hideous episode. And Josh can take his ageism and shove it right up his ass alongside his head – does he think he’ll never hit 35? 40? 60?

    • BuffaloBarbara

      He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women.

      AND HOW.

      He picked the “cool girl” with the mohawk and the aesthetic that matched his (sort of the “if I had to be a woman, that’s the one I’d be”) and then the one he figured was an ugly old woman who could be pushed around and ignored as long as she quietly did her work.

      Anya’s definitely playing the game, but she was playing it smartly–there was no moment caught on tape where she was being bitchy about either of them, she went along with Josh to get the collection done, but made sure she was seen comforting Becky.  Girl has mastered a skill that a lot of them seem to forget: Remembering where the cameras are, and that everything she says is on them.

      Though I believe I may change my bio-line to “overweight middle-aged chick with unapproved taste hair for same.”  (I still like Anya.  She’s managing to play it low key while still getting camera time.)  Of course, until last night, I liked Josh M.

      Now, as to the Great Sewing Machine Fight–yup, they were both being whiny queens, but I was–and I gasp to say it–on Bert’s side.

      Yeah, this was definitely producer-fest 2011.  Though you’d think that Heidi, who has money on the line with the NB challenge, wouldn’t pick a second winner so randomly.  And why would anyone wear a maxi-skirt with sneakers?  It’s not a bad maxi-dress, which is why she keeps making it, but with rubber-soled running shoes?  (I thought the same about Olivier’s… all I could imagine with either was spending all day disentangling my skirt from my sneakers.)

      I liked Viktor’s jacket.  Wish I’d liked the dress under it a little more; it seemed kind of baggy.  I’d have liked it more over Bryce’s dress.  I liked Kimberly’s outfit quite a lot, too–sharp shorts, sharp jacket.  And I kind of dug Laura’s, though that whole team needed to be bitch-slapped for their behavior.

    • BuffaloBarbara

      He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women.

      AND HOW.

      He picked the “cool girl” with the mohawk and the aesthetic that matched his (sort of the “if I had to be a woman, that’s the one I’d be”) and then the one he figured was an ugly old woman who could be pushed around and ignored as long as she quietly did her work.

      Anya’s definitely playing the game, but she was playing it smartly–there was no moment caught on tape where she was being bitchy about either of them, she went along with Josh to get the collection done, but made sure she was seen comforting Becky.  Girl has mastered a skill that a lot of them seem to forget: Remembering where the cameras are, and that everything she says is on them.

      Though I believe I may change my bio-line to “overweight middle-aged chick with unapproved taste hair for same.”  (I still like Anya.  She’s managing to play it low key while still getting camera time.)  Of course, until last night, I liked Josh M.

      Now, as to the Great Sewing Machine Fight–yup, they were both being whiny queens, but I was–and I gasp to say it–on Bert’s side.

      Yeah, this was definitely producer-fest 2011.  Though you’d think that Heidi, who has money on the line with the NB challenge, wouldn’t pick a second winner so randomly.  And why would anyone wear a maxi-skirt with sneakers?  It’s not a bad maxi-dress, which is why she keeps making it, but with rubber-soled running shoes?  (I thought the same about Olivier’s… all I could imagine with either was spending all day disentangling my skirt from my sneakers.)

      I liked Viktor’s jacket.  Wish I’d liked the dress under it a little more; it seemed kind of baggy.  I’d have liked it more over Bryce’s dress.  I liked Kimberly’s outfit quite a lot, too–sharp shorts, sharp jacket.  And I kind of dug Laura’s, though that whole team needed to be bitch-slapped for their behavior.

    • Anonymous

      And one last thought about this before I move on. I just hate the fact that Josh M. was rewarded for his “leadership” and that Michael Kors praised him for it–there’s a difference between being a leader and being a tyrant. Clearly MK doesn’t recognize this. If you really want to look at this in terms of leading a team, Joshua was a bully, he deliberately created a hostile work environment for Becky, and his comments verged on sexual harassment. That should have gotten him fired, not rewarded. So sickening.

      • Linda Long-Van Brocklyn

        Right on. In fact, I’d say Anya helped in the bullying. Look at the pic of him leaning into Becky’s space, in her face, and Anya’s squared pose at Becky. Seconds later, Anya, “consoled” her by putting her hand on Becky. If that had been me, in those circumstances, I would calmly said, “Please remove your hand. After the verbal abuse the two of you have leveled at me, touching me constitutes assault. I would like a security guard.”  Every rejection of Becky’s ideas, every insult of her work was echoed by Ms. beauty queen who’s never sewn jersey. The only thing she didn’t seem to comment on was his statement that Becjy’s customer was “forty to death.” Which is a said statement about his attitude to a huge majority of the population.  And MK calls him a good leader because Shithead knew to rely on her skills? Did he not see what actually went down? This was not Daniel Franco telling Chloe and Kara that he needed their skills for intricate construction. This was underhanded harassment that became verbal assault. I hope at some point they (Kors, Nina, Heidi) see the tape of this and see at least the portion that aired and then issue opinions about his “leadership.”

        Oh, and that apology, even without the video entry of Shithead, reeked of self-serving phoniness. Which I think is his personality through and through.

        • Anonymous

          Absolutely. The body language was very telling. In the real world, I’ve been editing a lot of material about leadership and also about sexual harassment and this was so classic. I think that Anya is trying to play both sides against the middle, but you can only keep that up for so long. 

        • Anonymous

          I was thinking the same thing – if Anya had put her arm around me at that point, I would have quietly told her to get the f* away from me.

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i actually spent some time wondering what the judges actually see of the backstage behavior, in person or on dvd or what have you, before they judge that week’s competition.

        cos i just cannot imagine any of them rewarding the behavior we saw. i mean: that would conceivably lose every last one of them customers! josh was completely unsupportable, much less rewardable. he was despicable. so i am curious how much they actually know.

    • pacconci

       This was the ugliest episode of PR in my memory. Clinique Counter is the meanest of all mean girls– he makes Gretchen look like a social worker! I was swearing at my tv last night and making lewd gestures (an odd display as I live alone) and hardly recognized myself.  The episode pulled the psychic scabs off hurts inflicted decades ago that I thought were long healed. I recognize that my prejudice lies with the last-chosen, old, and chubby as they resemble me more than do overgroomed gay men and beauty contestants.  And I agree that Becky was too passive and Bert too prickly but — to quote Tom and Lorenzo — J.C. on a cracker ! –  what happened last night? Tim’s “honesty” remark made it sound like even he had been drinking the kool aid. Is there no one left to advocate for fairness? If these producers been in charge during the first season, Kara Saun not only would have gotten credit for her ill-gotten custom shoes and bonus shoe boy, but she would have defeated Jay while the judges praised her time-management skills and industry connections.

    • http://tigergray.blogspot.com/ Tiger Gray

      Oh Tim. I love Tim, see. But recently he made a comment about Hilary Clinton being “confused about her gender” because she wears clothes that, in his opinion, are too mannish. I have loved this guy for like eight seasons of this damn show and I ate up his book with a spoon, and now he’s pulling the cliched white gay guy hate of gender bending out at the forefront? (Not that I think Hilary is a gender bender, but hopefully you get my point) Not to mention some ugly stereotypes about what makes a man a man and what makes a woman a woman, which is really shocking coming from him. Hearing how he acted on this episode just worries me even more. D:  No Tim, no! Pull out of this nose dive, please. 

      • Shawn Hill

        Well, if anyone’s likely to be stuck in the fifties ….

      • Anonymous

        He dressed all of the stay-at-home moms on his Guide to Style in heels and pearls, very June Cleaver-y.  I remember thinking, “Tim, they have to chase somebody around a playground.”   It was clear he had certain ideas of what a ‘mother’ should look like.

      • Anonymous

        Hillary Clinton wears just plain ugly clothes, and I would argue there’s nothing mannish at all about nearly-neon jumpsuits.

        • Anonymous

           “confused about her gender”

          What an off-base comment for someone of (or supportive of) the GLBT community to say!   I know we don’t have one hive-mind or walk in lock-step, but, really!

      • Anonymous

        Hillary Clinton wears just plain ugly clothes, and I would argue there’s nothing mannish at all about nearly-neon jumpsuits.

      • Anonymous

        Hillary Clinton wears just plain ugly clothes, and I would argue there’s nothing mannish at all about nearly-neon jumpsuits.

      • Anonymous

        Hillary Clinton wears just plain ugly clothes, and I would argue there’s nothing mannish at all about nearly-neon jumpsuits.

    • Anonymous

      Anyone else notice the irony of someone (co)winning a challenge for a piece he neither designed or made and simply for being a team leader, and someone going home for making a bad piece (and designing a good piece the judges loved) in a group that she wasn’t the team leader for even after the entire panel agreed that this week that worst piece on the runway belonged to the team leader of a dysfunctional team?

      • Anonymous

        The whole episode smacked of irony (i.e., examples of misogyny, ageism, etc.) especially considering the fact that PR is on Lifetime —- a women’s network.

    • Anonymous

      I kept thinking of Becky as poor ole Cinderella…. stuck at the sewing machine while her evil step sisters went to the ball!  

      • Anonymous

        I’d be thankful my name wasn’t attached to that maxi-dress on Amazon.  Geesh.

    • Anonymous

      This was such an amazingly low point in PR history.  Really, if I thought the producers, Tim, Heidi, Michael or Nina are reading this in the midst of hundreds of comments, this is my plea – “Stop this direction, stop this cheapening of what was a really great show.”

    • Anonymous

      This was such an amazingly low point in PR history.  Really, if I thought the producers, Tim, Heidi, Michael or Nina are reading this in the midst of hundreds of comments, this is my plea – “Stop this direction, stop this cheapening of what was a really great show.”

      • Anonymous

        Honestly, I think it’s too late.  IMHO it did veer off with the move to Lifetime and Bunim-Murray, took a further step down with the LA season.  Since then, it’s been watchable, but it hasn’t recovered.

    • Anonymous

      Adored Victor’s outfit. I would buy and wear the entire thing. Can’t stand Miss Clinique Counter and don’t understand why that bitch got a win too. That dress was just plain ugly.

      I think he won for the outfit with the vest, not the dress, though? Didn’t he? The holey vest and the shorts? That outfit was actually not too bad. I remember being impressed with it when it walked onto the runway, and then feeling mildly irritated when I found out it was his work.

    • Anonymous

      Adored Victor’s outfit. I would buy and wear the entire thing. Can’t stand Miss Clinique Counter and don’t understand why that bitch got a win too. That dress was just plain ugly.

      I think he won for the outfit with the vest, not the dress, though? Didn’t he? The holey vest and the shorts? That outfit was actually not too bad. I remember being impressed with it when it walked onto the runway, and then feeling mildly irritated when I found out it was his work.

    • Anonymous

      Among all of Joshua’s nasty comments made last night, the most offensive was probably had to be where he said “I don’t consider Becky a style icon.” GTFO, and you consider yourself one? Please, you’re the furthest thing from a style icon I’ve ever seen, with your tackiness on top of tackiness, painted on face, and (now) uber-bitchy queen attitude. He hasn’t shown that he can make such a comment and have it have some weight. And he gets credit for work he didn’t do, terrific. Liking the season so far, but I thought we couldn’t get any worse that Ivy and Gretchen, lo and behold…
      I hope Joshua M goes home soon, and also Mormon Clean, maybe there’s something the designers see in person about him, but I personally just can’t stand him at all.

      • Anonymous

        I’m with you, my friend, on both Joshes.  I was actually distraught when Josh C. returned.  His interviews re his 1st epi work are over-the-top delusional in terms of how heavily he blames the model, accusing her of lying on her card about her measurements (that’s on the agency, not her, BTW) and literally says he was in the bottom ‘because a girl lied on her card.’  He’s a delusional piece of work.  I do commend Dumb Quijote on his quest for his future wife, though.  That should be really fun for everyone involved.

        • Anonymous

          That distraught was mutually felt, friend. Yes that 1st video blog is what made him my most hated, but was glad for once to see my least favorite exit stage right very early. And yes that should be a rousing fun time lol, but if the “search for the right girl” fails him he could always just “come out” officially, and possibly shack up with Josh M. since they clearly, at least I think, have a thing for each other, pretty much all stemming from the fact that they have the same first name, and much more in common, hormonal attitudes included.

      • Anonymous

        I’m with you, my friend, on both Joshes.  I was actually distraught when Josh C. returned.  His interviews re his 1st epi work are over-the-top delusional in terms of how heavily he blames the model, accusing her of lying on her card about her measurements (that’s on the agency, not her, BTW) and literally says he was in the bottom ‘because a girl lied on her card.’  He’s a delusional piece of work.  I do commend Dumb Quijote on his quest for his future wife, though.  That should be really fun for everyone involved.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        My favorite nasty comment was “She’s like between 40 and DEATH!” WHAT. AN. ASSHOLE!!

        • Anonymous

          “How is dowdy bad?” Flashes of seventh-grade bullying and then the bullied being forced to explain why they are offended

          • Anonymous

            Seriously!  Your clothes are dowdy!  Just sew, bitch!  Why are you crying? I don’t have time for your drama!

        • Anonymous

          Lifted right from Mame!

    • double_m_one

      Ah, Project Runway, champion of the misogynist and the ageist.  Way to cater to your Lifetime demographic, bitches.  Gawd. that episode made me sooooooooo angry.

    • Anonymous

      As I’m sure everyone else has already said — sharing this win with Josh of all people really cheapens what Viktor accomplished. His design rocked, from design to execution to styling. And it was all his.
      While I liked Anya’s dress, and actually thought their collection was the best, Josh had shit-all to do with that dress. If anybody should have got a tie-win, it was Anya.
      After the Wretchen fiasco of last season, you’d think Bunim-Murray would keep their hands off. But it’s just going to get worse.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        “Wretchen”-Love that

    • Anonymous

      In addition to agreeing with all of T Lo’s observations – what a hideous display BM and PR put on TV last night – I must ask a question.

      Why do they keep shooting Tim Gunn (and others, but mostly Tim) in front of the wall where they put the losing looks? It is such a poor look for the show, and frankly, a wasted opportunity for them to promote the winners. They did this last season too, and I thought surely they would see their mistake and correct it before doing another season.

      I just don’t get how stupid this show now seems.

    • Anonymous

      In addition to agreeing with all of T Lo’s observations – what a hideous display BM and PR put on TV last night – I must ask a question.

      Why do they keep shooting Tim Gunn (and others, but mostly Tim) in front of the wall where they put the losing looks? It is such a poor look for the show, and frankly, a wasted opportunity for them to promote the winners. They did this last season too, and I thought surely they would see their mistake and correct it before doing another season.

      I just don’t get how stupid this show now seems.

    • Anonymous

      In addition to agreeing with all of T Lo’s observations – what a hideous display BM and PR put on TV last night – I must ask a question.

      Why do they keep shooting Tim Gunn (and others, but mostly Tim) in front of the wall where they put the losing looks? It is such a poor look for the show, and frankly, a wasted opportunity for them to promote the winners. They did this last season too, and I thought surely they would see their mistake and correct it before doing another season.

      I just don’t get how stupid this show now seems.

    • Anonymous

      Clicking back through the TLo posts on the prior challenges, I came to two conclusions: first, that Danielle was unfairly ejected (I don’t believe Anthony created better designs than Danielle, and he twice either offered or was on a team that offered a highly derivative design), and much more fundamentally that Josh dismissed Becky as dowdy strictly based on her appearance, and not on her design work.

      In particular, Becky’s last two entries (the stilts outfit with Kimberly, which was top 3 and should have won, compared with Josh’s tacky bottom-3 fucking matador ensemble with Julie; the yellow-piped gray dress for Nina, versus the shift Josh made for Nina that both mimicked exactly the colors Nina wore during the consult and lifted design-wise a little too much from Narciso Rodriguez) were better designed and more attractive and original in terms of execution than what Josh put out.  Even the first two entries aren’t damning — challenge 1 would’ve been a wash between Josh and Becky (her: simple shift dress with piping; him: short skirt and tank and heinous overvest, which is something of a theme); Josh’s pet-store challenge bests Becky’s, but of course, he had to do a cheaper-than-Steve-Madden ripoff of Balenciaga with his accessorizing, which doesn’t speak well of him at all.  So half of what they’ve done so far, competition-wise, shows Becky in a great light, and arguably in a much better light than anything Josh has done.  She also has not in any way repeated herself, unlike Josh (vests) and Anya the snake. 

      During the first episode, I told my boyfriend that Becky had to get it together appearance-wise — the too-blonde hair and glasses read as self-consciously quirky in a way that Nina and Michael in particular would not only not respond to, but respect.  She looks fine, but she looks like the manager of a gastropub or fancy coffeehouse in Portland, and those judges wouldn’t be into that.  Standing next to Kimberly and Anyabella Lwin in particular would put Becky in a less-flattering light.  Should that matter?  No way.  Would it?  For sure.  Add in someone as superficial, twatty and bone-deep nasty as Josh, and Becky’s fuller figure?  Fucking disaster in terms of how he would feel comfortable treating her.

      It was all her appearance and demeanor – which seems to be fairly self-confident and self-possessed (she and Kimberly are the only people who I think are this way; Anya is clearly a mean girl’s best friend, and LOVES Anthony and all those boys, who LOVE her hair and lilting accent and tltle and tape).  She seems to like herself ok, isn’t terribly dramatic or love-ya! effusive, has a style that reads as safe-alternative, and isn’t thin.  This is why Josh marginalized her, not because of work.  And it’s really repusive.  

      • Anonymous

         So half of what they’ve done so far, competition-wise, shows Becky in a
        great light, and arguably in a much better light than anything Josh has
        done.

        Which is exactly why he has it in for her.  She’s a threat.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t actually agree – I don’t think Josh sees Becky as a valid, legitimate competitor strictly based on her personal style.  I think he’s that superficial, spoiled and awful.  

      • Anonymous

        “Anyabella Lwin”

        THANK YOU.  I was wondering who Anya reminded me of!

      • Anonymous

        Anyabella Lwin! Absolutely brilliant! Love a good Bow Wow Wow reference.

    • Anonymous

      Clicking back through the TLo posts on the prior challenges, I came to two conclusions: first, that Danielle was unfairly ejected (I don’t believe Anthony created better designs than Danielle, and he twice either offered or was on a team that offered a highly derivative design), and much more fundamentally that Josh dismissed Becky as dowdy strictly based on her appearance, and not on her design work.

      In particular, Becky’s last two entries (the stilts outfit with Kimberly, which was top 3 and should have won, compared with Josh’s tacky bottom-3 fucking matador ensemble with Julie; the yellow-piped gray dress for Nina, versus the shift Josh made for Nina that both mimicked exactly the colors Nina wore during the consult and lifted design-wise a little too much from Narciso Rodriguez) were better designed and more attractive and original in terms of execution than what Josh put out.  Even the first two entries aren’t damning — challenge 1 would’ve been a wash between Josh and Becky (her: simple shift dress with piping; him: short skirt and tank and heinous overvest, which is something of a theme); Josh’s pet-store challenge bests Becky’s, but of course, he had to do a cheaper-than-Steve-Madden ripoff of Balenciaga with his accessorizing, which doesn’t speak well of him at all.  So half of what they’ve done so far, competition-wise, shows Becky in a great light, and arguably in a much better light than anything Josh has done.  She also has not in any way repeated herself, unlike Josh (vests) and Anya the snake. 

      During the first episode, I told my boyfriend that Becky had to get it together appearance-wise — the too-blonde hair and glasses read as self-consciously quirky in a way that Nina and Michael in particular would not only not respond to, but respect.  She looks fine, but she looks like the manager of a gastropub or fancy coffeehouse in Portland, and those judges wouldn’t be into that.  Standing next to Kimberly and Anyabella Lwin in particular would put Becky in a less-flattering light.  Should that matter?  No way.  Would it?  For sure.  Add in someone as superficial, twatty and bone-deep nasty as Josh, and Becky’s fuller figure?  Fucking disaster in terms of how he would feel comfortable treating her.

      It was all her appearance and demeanor – which seems to be fairly self-confident and self-possessed (she and Kimberly are the only people who I think are this way; Anya is clearly a mean girl’s best friend, and LOVES Anthony and all those boys, who LOVE her hair and lilting accent and tltle and tape).  She seems to like herself ok, isn’t terribly dramatic or love-ya! effusive, has a style that reads as safe-alternative, and isn’t thin.  This is why Josh marginalized her, not because of work.  And it’s really repusive.  

    • Anonymous

      Clicking back through the TLo posts on the prior challenges, I came to two conclusions: first, that Danielle was unfairly ejected (I don’t believe Anthony created better designs than Danielle, and he twice either offered or was on a team that offered a highly derivative design), and much more fundamentally that Josh dismissed Becky as dowdy strictly based on her appearance, and not on her design work.

      In particular, Becky’s last two entries (the stilts outfit with Kimberly, which was top 3 and should have won, compared with Josh’s tacky bottom-3 fucking matador ensemble with Julie; the yellow-piped gray dress for Nina, versus the shift Josh made for Nina that both mimicked exactly the colors Nina wore during the consult and lifted design-wise a little too much from Narciso Rodriguez) were better designed and more attractive and original in terms of execution than what Josh put out.  Even the first two entries aren’t damning — challenge 1 would’ve been a wash between Josh and Becky (her: simple shift dress with piping; him: short skirt and tank and heinous overvest, which is something of a theme); Josh’s pet-store challenge bests Becky’s, but of course, he had to do a cheaper-than-Steve-Madden ripoff of Balenciaga with his accessorizing, which doesn’t speak well of him at all.  So half of what they’ve done so far, competition-wise, shows Becky in a great light, and arguably in a much better light than anything Josh has done.  She also has not in any way repeated herself, unlike Josh (vests) and Anya the snake. 

      During the first episode, I told my boyfriend that Becky had to get it together appearance-wise — the too-blonde hair and glasses read as self-consciously quirky in a way that Nina and Michael in particular would not only not respond to, but respect.  She looks fine, but she looks like the manager of a gastropub or fancy coffeehouse in Portland, and those judges wouldn’t be into that.  Standing next to Kimberly and Anyabella Lwin in particular would put Becky in a less-flattering light.  Should that matter?  No way.  Would it?  For sure.  Add in someone as superficial, twatty and bone-deep nasty as Josh, and Becky’s fuller figure?  Fucking disaster in terms of how he would feel comfortable treating her.

      It was all her appearance and demeanor – which seems to be fairly self-confident and self-possessed (she and Kimberly are the only people who I think are this way; Anya is clearly a mean girl’s best friend, and LOVES Anthony and all those boys, who LOVE her hair and lilting accent and tltle and tape).  She seems to like herself ok, isn’t terribly dramatic or love-ya! effusive, has a style that reads as safe-alternative, and isn’t thin.  This is why Josh marginalized her, not because of work.  And it’s really repusive.  

    • Anonymous

      oh, and also, to answer the bryce inquiry, resounding hell yes. he spent the entire casting special talking about how he got prank phone calls from guys pretending to ask him out in high school. 

    • Anonymous

      oh, and also, to answer the bryce inquiry, resounding hell yes. he spent the entire casting special talking about how he got prank phone calls from guys pretending to ask him out in high school. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5TCZJZPFUZEOFFQIBD4LR5TRME Lucinda M

      Totally agree that Victor should have been the solo winner. I did not understand why they wanted to reward Josh when Victor had a better design, was a better leader etc   Wrong wrong wrong. Burt is so so so unpleasant, I can hardly wait until he is gone. I didn’t like his design either. The other two looked so ill, it’s hard to deal with a personality such as Burt’s and it showed….at least they had each other, but it’s a life lesson to take the high road and let Burt be Burt. Alone.

    • Anonymous

      Can we have a do-over for this season? Based on the nasty personalities, I’m not sure that ANYONE deserves to win this year.

      • Anonymous

        Kimberly does!  (Fingers crossed.)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

          Kimberly is the only one. I hope Becky steps it up soon. She deserves to be in the top 3 . Just please don’t let it be eyebrow boy and uniball.

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          becky also.
          i just wish she would take the same care fashioning the outsides of her garments as she does w/ the insides of them.

      • Anonymous

        I know, I’m wanting to Gunnar and David Chum. Too bad one of those folks didn’t get a chance to be brought back.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          Yeah, I liked both of them.  And TLo already had a good nickname picked out for Gunnar!  But David, especially, would have been another non-20-something on the stage.  I think all of these folks would benefit greatly from having to volunteer at a senior center.  I doubt they could keep up with some of those ladies, honestly. ;p

    • Anonymous
      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        So, they removed the only input Josh had on this, but he got the win? I don’t really care I guess. Taking it away from Anya is fair play as far as I’m concerned. Anyone who trusts her after this is just stupid.

      • Anonymous

        And no sneakers! 

      • Anonymous

        And no sneakers! 

      • Anonymous

        That dress hardly looks like the original except for the general shape.  Different fabric completely!!!  What a crock!

    • http://twitter.com/LAMusing LAMusing

      True, it was not a shining moment to see Bert chuckling gleefully about his
      team mates being taken down by the judges.  But just moments before his
      “team mate” Anthony had been going on and on and ON about how he and
      Laura thought Bert’s outfit was tacky cocktail wear… he dismissed and
      mocked Bert’s outfit emphatically and relentlessly, so when the judges
      said Bert’s was the only one of the 3 they liked at all, it must have
      been hard not to laugh.  And Anthony’s outfit was horrible beyond
      belief.  I don’t sew but even I could do better with a glue gun and 30
      minutes.  Laura’s was pretty wretched, too. They did not come up with
      horrible designs because they were distracted by Bert.  They, in fact,
      cut Bert out completely in design decisions. So those outfits are on
      their heads, not Bert.

      And as for Josh of the overplucked
      eyebrows, his nasty behavior was not redeemed by his lame apology –
      which I suspect was offered only because Anya had abandoned the workroom
      to talk with Becky and Hateful Josh was worried Anya thought he had
      gone too far in his battering and might “switch sides”.  High school
      horrible.

      The race for leader was nearly as stupid as the
      stiltwalking debacle which is still being mocked on blogs around the
      internet. 

    • Anonymous

      (one of the) bBEST POST(s) EVER.
      Absolutely inspired, T&Lo.

    • Anonymous

      Let me just address the bitchy queen for a moment. His dress? Check out The Mission Maxi (top left) pattern here:
      http://www.jamiechristina.com/#!shop
      That look has been done to death, and done better without the tacky pink ribboning by thousands of home sewists. He’s an asshole. But the biggest assholes are the producers. This one is almost enough to make me stop watching. But of course, I won’t.

      This season is full of people you just don’t want to work with. Forget rooting for them as fan favorites. I wouldn’t hire half of them. They would be plutonium in the workplace – pure toxicity.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

      Great leadership? So I guess they would have been impressed with southern slaveowners leadership skills too. I hate Josh!! And Bert?!!! I couldn’t believe how he was rejoicing when they were raking  his teammates over the coals. There is something about this season, I just don’t like any of these people along with their clothes. I’m always rooting for someone by now. 
       I called it on Anya after the first week. Why didn’t Becky tell her to “f” herself when she said she couldn’t sew that fabric? Thank you TLo for the above rant. You said it better than I can. Viktor should have won by himself. People like Josh make me sick. I hope he gets royally out and soon!!

      • Anonymous

        and Bert?!!! I couldn’t believe how he was rejoicing when they were raking  his teammates over the coals.

        You couldn’t?  After their nasty behavior to him, and their juvenile badmouthing of him in front of the judges?  He was totally justified.

        • Anonymous

          His behavior was ridiculous and I suppose that will only become apparent how crass the behavior is when someone stands on the runway cheering him getting reamed by the judges.

        • Anonymous

          His behavior was ridiculous and I suppose that will only become apparent how crass the behavior is when someone stands on the runway cheering him getting reamed by the judges.

        • Anonymous

          His behavior was ridiculous and I suppose that will only become apparent how crass the behavior is when someone stands on the runway cheering him getting reamed by the judges.

        • Anonymous

          Amazing how people are still on Bert’s side. Bert exudes nastiness himself, with his sneering comments about the Midwest and how his fellow designers aren’t worthy of having their names being remembered. He has proven himself to be one of the most juvenile PR contenders I can remember. And even if his team members went too far on the runway, his behavior was simply unprofessional and childish.

    • http://twitter.com/VicksieDo Vickie Lord

      That episode was a freak show mess!  Bringing back some random contestant, and he didn’t have to win to stay??  Mixing it up and screwing it up are not the same thing Heidi.  BOOOO

      And Clinique is another Gretchen for me, if he wins, I would never ever wear his clothes, and it would be the nail in my PR coffin.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        If he wins (which up til this episode I didn’t even consider) I will NEVER watch again. Actually if Anya wins, I’ll feel the same way. I don’t like to see the bad guys win. It isn’t about the fashion anymore. No one has the chops to back up their flamboyance. 

    • Anonymous

      LETS HEAR IT FOR THE BOYS!!! Tom and Lorenzo, I mean.  You are soooo right in your evaluation of this season’s PR. The show has completely changed from what it once was. I’m a little sad over it actually.  One more thing, I can’t put my finger on why I think this, but I think Bert is getting edited to look like a big jerk.  Something tells me he’s a really nice guy.

    • Mariah J

      Heres the thing, screw the stupid drama. If someone is going to win or lose based on being an asshole then there shouldn’t be team challenges. Drama usually makes worse garments, that’s where the influence comes in. Viktor was the clear winner, chic and went with the dumb sneakers well. If you HAD to award a winner to Josh’s team I think his garment with the ripped vest was SO MUCH BETTER than what has to be the ugliest maxi dress I’ve seen in a while. And unless you teach Kindergarden you don’t wear maxi dresses with SNEAKERS.  UGH.

    • http://twitter.com/DaggerMitten Laur.

      Best recap to date T.Lo. Supes hilarious and brilliant. Agree…on all topics discussed!!

    • http://twitter.com/starvewars Sal

      “The Real World with sewing” I’ve been saying this since the start. I’ll forgive them when they start coming up with better challenges.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRZD5YNXRODIDQKX2WIE5TXB6Q Tomek

      Oh my!  You guys are pretty miffed about last night LOL.  Crazy episode.  What happened to Oliver actually used to happen to me when I would run or work out.  It ended up because I am Hypoglycemic.  Someone should tell him to look into that.  He most likely may have not aten that morning or had too much processed sugar in his diet.  Hypoglycemia can be fixed with diet.  It looks like anxiety attacks to those that don’t know about it – that’s what the Docs kept telling me until I finally went to one that could figure it out.  I just thought I would post this becasue I’m sure someone must know him and could maybe mention this to him. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRZD5YNXRODIDQKX2WIE5TXB6Q Tomek

      Also, in defense of Tim — they probably edited out the comments that moved him enough to say what he said.  What we saw could have been a fraction of what was discussed.  A small enough amount that could have been the thing Tim was over looking not praising. 

      • Anonymous

        I really hope you are right…b/c this is the first time I’ve been disappointed in Mr. Gunn.  After the lecture “team Gretchen” receipted, I sooo expected him to call out Clinique & pageant queen. 

      • BuffaloBarbara

        That would be my guess.  I’m wondering if they grilled everyone at some point and tried to get the straight dope on what happened, or if the judges berated all of them for putting such crap down the runway, and they flat out told the judges that that’s what happens when  you give people vague instructions, then change the rules, and, oh,  yeah, choose team leaders with a footrace.  You can bet they wouldn’t leave that in, but I could see Tim being glad they said it… and the editors making it look like he was glad they trash-talked each other.

    • Anonymous

      There was not one look on that runway that was wearable or deserved to win, in my opinion.  I wish Heidi had said, “None of you deserve to win this challenge, and I would not put my name with any of these designs.”  THAT’S reality TV, kids!

    • Anonymous

      I totally agree with t lo 100% for the first time ever.   Great write up and recap, my thoughts exactly.

    • Anonymous

      With the changes to the first show, I finally did watch it on DVR and have watched one other ep, but no more.  What toxic bullshit.  B/M have completely screwed PR left, right and center.  Viktor was the clear winner and bc the maxi dress was Heidi’s “favorite” they give a double win to the biggest asshole they could find?  Praised his “leadership”? WTF? I love supporting you boys, TLo, but I will not be watching any more of this garbage.  I want to see design, not bitch catfights or outright sexist/ageist vindictive rants or slimy double-dealing from cutesy pie contestants who can’t sew, have someone else do their work and agree that her designs are dowdy “I don’t think dowdy is bad” but then act like she’s so empathetic and friendly.  Brrrrrrrr.  It’s one thing to be snarky or bitchy in a fun way, but this crossed the line into personal vindictiveness on so many levels with so many people I can’t stand it.  And the result – one design that was worthy of how many?  And don’t get me started on Julie not being brought back….

    • Anonymous

      No, I would not cheer and laugh at my team mates in front of my bosses,
      that’s just unprofessional and childish. From the very beginning he
      made it very clear he didn’t want to work with them as a team. When the
      groups were sketching their designs,  Bert deliberately sat 2 steps away
      from Anthony and Laura and designed by himself without even caring to
      see or listen what his teammates were sketching.

      He didn’t really give any input, he just kept sketching and expecting Anthony and Laura to choose his designs over the ones they had created together. I’m sorry, but that’s not team work. 

    • Anonymous

      You know, it’s interesting.  If all it takes to be “young” , aka “good” is to make something with a really short skirt then I’ll be happy with dressing to please myself. The problem, as other commenters have said, is that “Dowdy” can be a shorthand, used by the primitive, for old and fat.  Inaccurate and unfair.

    • Anonymous

      I’m so disappointed in Tim. I’ve always loved the man’s frankness. What the hell was he talking about last night? “Truth-telling”? Please! Was something edited out we didn’t see? What a horrible, horrible episode. Thanks for articulating all of my thoughts about it better than I could, TLo. But I think Tim’s selling out makes me the saddest…

      • Anonymous

        me too…

        • Anonymous

          Me, too. But then, considering the horrible Expedia (and other) commercials, I wonder: has Tim decided to drink the Kool-Ade and run for the money, too?

          • Anonymous

            ohhh..please say it ain’t so…I want to believe that they threw sooo much money at him for those commercials, he could not rationally say no.  Or (better yet)  they promised to donate so much to his favorite charity he did that commercial.  Well…after 3 mojitos…it’s easy to fall into my “Walt Disney, Happy-Ever-After world.  :-)

            • Anonymous

              LOL! Maybe I’d feel better if I drank those Mojitos, too! I’d rather live in WDHEA World than ‘I’m so disappointed in Tim World’.

    • Anonymous

      One tiny shout-out in praise of the producers or PAs — whoever wrote the morning message properly wrote “meet Tim and me.” Every time someone hypercorrects and uses “I” where “me” is called for, I cringe. (Tim always gets it right, too!)

      • BuffaloBarbara

        And that’s such an easy one to spot, too–just imagine it without the “Tim and…”  Would you say, “Meet I”?

      • Anonymous

        My sister turned me on to a terrific little book titled Between You and I: a Little Book of Bad Grammar, and I’ve given copies to all my fellow grammarians. Of course, stuff like that is what keeps this copyeditor employed.

        At least until the world stops caring whether people can write correctly and comprehensibly.

    • Anonymous

      “Oh, and look a that; it’s the Privilege Olympics, where everyone who isn’t a man in his 20s doesn’t get to lead a team. Next week, the girls will have to do all their work in corsets and 4-inch heels while the boys can wear their pajamas.”

      THANK YOU! I was so irritated by this.

    • Anonymous

      “Oh, and look a that; it’s the Privilege Olympics, where everyone who isn’t a man in his 20s doesn’t get to lead a team. Next week, the girls will have to do all their work in corsets and 4-inch heels while the boys can wear their pajamas.”

      THANK YOU! I was so irritated by this.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F73LIJ3SJGI5AJQMXMWXCKILHI Pamela

      I am so glad I decided to skip a season.  Reading T-Lo tells me all I need to know and validates my displeasure with recent seasons of PR.  It hasn’t been the same since it moved to Lifetime.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OYMPLGS7S7467GQMKEWJDJ3N4A Deb

      Can someone explain why the heck Heidi couldn’t be bothered to wear her own wonderful sneakers? She looked ridiculous tottering along side Bert in her clunky heels.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O3WSW4VHKCPZLPGH3OJRFSI57Y Eemah

        I think she wore the sneakers during the runway.  They didn’t look good on her with that glittery outfit.

    • Anonymous

      Hmm, looks like Josh and Bert aren’t the only sour gays in town.  I didn’t think it was nearly as bad as TLO did.  Josh’s outfit was so-so but the collection was cohesive and it had his stamp all over it.   His team deserved a win.  I agree Viktor’s outfit was head and shoulders above the rest but Oliver’s cult follower’s skirt almost ruined the whole collection.   Josh is an attention whore for sure and Bert is surely a pill, but I am far more frightened of Oliver and Anya.  Something wicked this way comes. 

      • Anonymous

        One last thing.  Forget Bryce, I think Josh C signed up for team rainbow during his mini hiatus.  

    • Anonymous

      “Pageant queens. They’re dangerous bitches, y’all.” Of course they are; haven’t ya’ll seen the “Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia” episode of Designing Women?? I agree with every single thing you wrote, TLo. Not sure who makes me the most ill: Bert or Clinique but they both need to go soon. And Clinique: as a woman in the “40 to Death” demographic with a lot of disposable income to spend on clothing (same as my near death friends and co-workers) I will make it a point to never purchase anything with your name on it should you be so lucky as to find success in this field. Just my small blow for The Oldsters.

    • Anonymous

      “Pageant queens. They’re dangerous bitches, y’all.” Of course they are; haven’t ya’ll seen the “Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia” episode of Designing Women?? I agree with every single thing you wrote, TLo. Not sure who makes me the most ill: Bert or Clinique but they both need to go soon. And Clinique: as a woman in the “40 to Death” demographic with a lot of disposable income to spend on clothing (same as my near death friends and co-workers) I will make it a point to never purchase anything with your name on it should you be so lucky as to find success in this field. Just my small blow for The Oldsters.

      • Anonymous

        LMAO, when he said that I was like”WHAT?! WHAT DID YOU SAY BITCH?!”, but I was laughing at the same time. Ahh youth.

    • Anonymous

      I do have a question. So we have 2 winners both with immunity. What happens if the 2 worst designs next week belong to the immune designers? I could see this easily happening if Clinique goes crazy with the Bedazzler, maybe not so much Viktor. Would the next 2 designs, even though they would technically be safe, be eliminated? That doesn’t seem very fair.

      • Anonymous

        I agree about the pitfalls of 2 designers with immunity. The other thing that struck me is that often with such a big prize for the challenge, the winning designer doesn’t get immunity. I’m bummed there is no chance Mean Clinique Queen will go home next week.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O3WSW4VHKCPZLPGH3OJRFSI57Y Eemah

      They had to have known that the guys would win the running challenge.  I also found it strange that they would give Josh the win.  His teams designs were cohesive but not good enough to beat Viktors.  

    • Haley Buchanan

      Congratulations Viktor!  I really don’t even want to dignify the producer manipulation and poor sportsmanship of the designers with a response, so I’ll focus on the positive.  Viktor’s jacket was particularly fabulous, especially given the time constraints.  His dress was super cute and wearable as well.  I could easily see myself and a lot of other women in Viktor’s ensemble, or just one piece paired with others.  Plus, he was actually nice to his team and lead their creative vision to make two and a half cute outfits!  (Sorry Olivier’s skirt, I just can’t give you the benefit of the doubt!)

    • Anonymous

      I read every (almost) 500 comments, and I have no additional funny, pithy comment to add.  Just want to push the responses over 500 b/c you guys absolutely nailed it.  Thanks for the validation.  As I watched last night, shaking my head in such disappointment, there is small comfort knowing others see this show for what it has become.  Pandering to the lowest common denominator….how far the mighty have fallen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      It’s weird they went camouflage with it, isn’t it? However, the zipper back is exactly the same, so Heidi was serious about liking it that way.

    • Anonymous

      My god, I HATE JOSH. How tacky and mean and horrible. 

      I was actually impressed with Viktor in this challenge. He really redeemed himself by working so well with his teammates.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      There are a lot of them. I sort of put it down to being jealous that women can get the guys that they want. Shallow, but it makes sense to me.

    • Anonymous

      I think that Josh needs to look up the word “dowdy,” because I wouldn’t exactly say that that was Becky’s aesthetic. Sure, she doesn’t bedazzle the hell out of everything, but that’s a plus. You know what’s dowdy? The virgin sister-wife secretary blouses that Danielle made for the stilt challenge. And last week’s challenge. And this week’s challenge. And….THAT’S what dowdy is, Josh. 

      • Anonymous

        I took it as Josh knew he couldn’t go as far as to insult Becky’s looks so he insulted her aesthetic.  I wish she had had it in her to tell him & his bedazzling to kiss her ass right then and there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      I have to admit to having the opposite reaction. It’s the first one all season I’ve cared enough to watch twice. I used to do that every week, and to the model show too! I miss the model show, so obviously my taste is suspect. Matar Forever!

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Loved Matar!  I forget what I saw that she was in–just a random person in an ad somewhere–but I was so excited.  She definitely should have been the winning model that year.  I wanted to like  MotR because I didn’t mind the models themselves, but I wish they’d made it more competitive, like giving them some challenges to parallel the designer challenges.

        • Anonymous

          I agree, on all accounts. Matar was fantastic (Season 6 actually had really good models).

          I also wanted to like MotR, but there just wasn’t anything to it. There was nothing that really showed them as models, there was no creativity – and it was like a bizarrely fatalistic version of ANTM in which how good you are had no bearing on whether or not you stayed. Which, come to think of it, is exactly like ANTM.

        • Anonymous

          I agree. Matar was fantastic (Season 6 actually had great models).

          I, too, wanted to like MotR – but there was just nothing there. There was nothing of them being models, there was no creativity – and it was like a bizarre, fatalistic version of ANTM where being good has nothing to do with staying or going. Which, come to think of it, is exactly like ANTM.

    • Anonymous

      Seriously, why did Josh get the win for a dress he didn’t even design?  Wasn’t the maxi dress mainly Anya’s design?  Either way,  it was still butt ugly and shouldn’t have won to begin with, but whatever, producers have the final say, apparently.  I just about burst out laughing when the judges said something about how the maxi dress and the sneakers went together perfectly.  In what world???

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      Love your handle, btw, Rrose. But I have to say, this episode is still miles above anything Gretchen. As we can probably agree the Bert hate is to some extent understandable, nobody has yet formed a Mean Girl clique to scapegoat just one innocent person. Clinique tried, but even Anya didn’t go for it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      He was dying to bring a wire hanger into the women’s bathroom, you just know it!

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      Valerie, this season is reminding a lot of us of your season!

    • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

      I really don’t think he needed to; because unlike Michael C., Becky finally spoke up for herself.

    • Anonymous

      Definitely had a WTF just happened at the end of this episode.  There was just as much unnecessary drama between the judges as there was between some of the designers.  I felt icky when it was over.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

      Woah! Someone posted this link to a behind-the-scenes look:

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/project-runway-how-characters-controversy-224581?page=2

      And it said, “It’s clear on the set today that there is a polarizing designer, one viewers will love to hate and who will tap-dance all over Gunn’s last nerve. ‘She’s already had her agent call me. She’s negotiating for more money,’ a producer is overheard grousing.

      What?? I can’t think of any other female designer having an agent. Is Anya getting paid to be on PR??

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I’d guess most of them have agents.  If they didn’t when they got signed, they will by now.

        • Anonymous

          She’s the only one who would have had one before.  Pageant title.  Sex tape.

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            other than makeup man’s rancid behavior, other than forcing a bunch of people in an intellectual contest to run around a track for no reason, other than tim gunn’s expedia commercials, i think this tweet[w]racking popularity contest is what i hate most about PR this season. maybe ever.
            {except perhaps gretchen’s win.}

    • Anonymous

      One thing that came to mind during this episode was now I understand why there are so many crap clothes out there in the world.

      Between Bryce thinking he is a design leader with clothes I would be embarrassed to come up with, or Laura and Anthony trying to get Bert to change his dress and then it turns out his is the only decent outfit on the team, or Ms Clinique Counter telling Becky she is dowdy when her designs have all been quite good, not to mention the fact that his own personal style is really questionable.

      The clothes on this episode were pretty bad.

    • Anonymous

      I liked Victor’s look and think he deserved the win (the only win), but this episode was painful to watch. I hope they can turn this season around. I can’t think of another season when there have been so many people I’ve actively disliked in the competition.

    • Anonymous

      Anya…sly as a fox! We have a saying in the islands…”playing dead to catch corbeaux alive!” Figure it out! She has an agent…she knows more than she’s letting on…and Tim Gunn was spotted by a reliable source, on a Caribbean Airlines flight to Trinidad. Uh-huh!

      • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

        i think she is gonna win this season, or at the very least be the first runner up.
        more people like her than not, she’s exotic & her work is no worse, really, than most of the rest–which isnt all that good either.  &, if josh can be praised for his teamwork, she certainly can also receive kudos for getting people to do her work for her.
        &, besides, it would be hard to feature someone who looks like becky in all the magazines. it would truly be something like avant garde & avant garde is not something for which marie claire is known. & kimberley may be just a smidge too dark. just a smidge. still.

      • Anonymous

         Tim Gunn was spotted by a reliable source, on a Caribbean Airlines flight to Trinidad.

        Means zilch.  Last season, he made home visits to all the decoy designers, as well as the finalists.

    • Anonymous

      I am so glad that I am boycotting this show because of last year. I would be infuriated to have watched this episode. Good riddance, PR.

    • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

      Yep, you said it: ” He’s also, we’re sorry to say, the kind of gay that gives rise to the idea that gay men don’t like or respect women. Becky’s too passive. Anya is that most dangerous of creatures: the gorgeous, cunning woman. We’re serious. After this episode, we wouldn’t turn our backs on her, that’s for sure.”  And Miss Anya should have stepped up way earlier when I won’t say his name started his bullying schtick. Last time I felt this dirty I was watching the Real Housewives of New Jersey with one eye shut.

      • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

        oh, I also just need to say that women with shaved heads like Anya just aren’t gorgeous.  They just aren’t.  Intersting, chic, and clearly haven’t had children because if she had, and experienced post-birth hair loss, she’d hang onto every freaking strand.

        • Anonymous

          I think it’s brilliant.  A way to appear less vain and also edgy and hip at the same time.  I don’t think there’s a breath she takes that isn’t calculated.

    • Anonymous

      Bert is so crazy, I love it! I wonder if he has alzheimer’s or just bad eyesight (not seeing the boxes, not seeing Olivier sitting next to him last episode)

      • holdmewhileimnaked

        i think he is just trying to stay afloat by keeping detached.
        i think.
        i do see a lot of agism on this program. to be fair, i think thats not just here but is a component of the current culture. my impression is that he is slightly arrogant, more than slightly disdainful, very detached, not too interested in either his compatriots or the program on & competition in which he finds himself {after he sought it out}–but also a victim, if you will, of serious & nasty dismissiveness from his fellow competitors. i think the way he acts is less proactive {horrible postpostmodern workworld word} than reactive.
        i do not understand why tLo find him appalling. i would like to know, cos i dont get it, & i generally trust their judgement.

        edited for grammar.

    • Presumptuous Insect

      This has probably been mentioned before, but every time I look at Josh, all I can think of is that time Joey on Friends had his eyebrows done for his head shots. Here is the picture: http://www.e4.com/picture/7DD310BB-DFD5-43AF-BA29-677355875CFE/view.e4

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Too funny!!

    • Anonymous

      I HAVE NEVER AGREED MORE!. I am furious…this was some BULLSHIT for reals. This may have to be my last season if this si the direction things are going. BULL SHIT BULL SHIT BULL SHIT! AND OMG that Bert is a fucking embarrassment of a human being. He makes Wendy Pepper look like a breath of fresh air. And Joshua could channel Coco Chanel herself and create a bridal gown that causes Vera Wang to faint in envy and he will NEVER be any more than a trifling piece of crap whom I will forever have ZERO respect for. Get your gay ass out of the lady’s room,. this ain’t the fucking Ram Rod on a Saturday night and when the gal you just drove to tears asks for a damn moment GIVE IT TO HER. Apologize when you can muster up some sincerity for being an ASSHOLE! It is not hard NOT to be an asshole.. really . YOU ARE GROSS and I was a fan. HELL NO. I may not bother with the rest of the season.

    • Anonymous

      I just watched the first episode of this season of Project Runway: Australia last night!  Is there a good blog?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHWCJIMARF4OOW6PQZQS3RFOOA JillK

      I am SO glad I stuck to my guns when I decided I was done with PR after last season. Based on your recaps, especially this one, this looks like a horrendous season that I’m thrilled not to be wasting my time on.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t have time to read all of the comments, so pardon for being repetitive.  I DVR the show so I can skip the commercials and watched it just now.  Jaw-droppingly awful.  The hideousness just piled up:  a footrace to determine team leaders; Heidi: this is MY challenge; “make three looks based on these ugly sneakers and think fashion, but then also you need to make something I would work out in and it should look good with sneakers but not make workout clothes”; Anya the Snake; Mr. Clinique Counter’s behavior throughout the entire challenge;  bitchy queens telling each other to drop dead;  Bert’s fist bumps at others’ defeats;

    • Helen C

      If you watch the behind-the-scenes, Olivier was apparently really pissed about falling and fainting, that he cussed throughout the whole talk (in accents of course).  And others just laughed at him.  Poor guy.  He’s apparently one of the tallest designers there, but is so skinny that he looks more fragile than Blenley.  

      • Anonymous

        Oh, if you haven’t had it “up to here” with this episode yet (we do have all week to talk about it!) the extended Designers Dish is really worthwhile.  And the Tim’s Workroon consults.

    • Anonymous

      Oh god I’m afraid PR is definitely over at this point. I’ll still watch but they have to make up for this awful episode…
      Btw is anybody watching PR Australia?? It’s not that much engaging but last ep they had a brilliant challenge imho: they took red carpet disaster looks (Cher’s black feathers dress, Whoopi Goldberg’s green and purple dress etc) and turned them into modern dresses.

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been watching PR Australia. The last episode was probably first truly interesting challenge they’ve had this season – even if it ultimately was “make a pretty dress (out of a hideous one)”. But they desperately need to give the designers more than 8 hours if they want the show to be particularly interesting. I’m holding out some hope for the final collections, at least.

    • Anonymous

      At this point, I’m nostalgic for Season 6. No, seriously – I’ve watched episodes of it recently and, while I always thought it wasn’t as horrible as everyone thinks it is, by comparison it looks fantastic. It’s not great, or even good, but at least it still felt like Project Runway.

      This season is showing everything that made last season horrible (Season 8 was, heretofore, the worst season, in my opinion) – magnified. The obvious artificiality, the petty joylessness, the incestuousness…Let’s see, where to begin?I think you’re being too hard on Cecilia. She didn’t let someone go home the previous challenge: if she had chosen to leave, it wouldn’t have prevented Julie from being kicked off – and she tried to get herself kicked off. Besides, after that episode, I just can’t hold it against anyone for not wanting to be on the show. At this point, I think the people who were auf’d and especially those who didn’t even make it on the show should be thrilled for that very fact.I have to defend Bert – slightly. Oh, I thought he behaved rather poorly – the grinning and laughing and making nasty comments about his team members’ work on the runway were completely inappropriate – but, to be fair, Anthony and Laura ignored any input he gave, at the beginning when he did try to work with them, refused to really let him have any say in the overall collection, and then blamed the collection’s problems on how difficult working with him was. Of course, after being rebuffed in the sketching and shopping, he refused to work with them at all, was outright rude to them, and it’s clear that he just doesn’t care about the other designers in the slightest. So, Anthony and Laura refused to let Bert work with them the way he wanted them to and he refused to work with them the way they wanted him to. Someone on here suggested in a comment on a prior post that he might have Asperger’s, which I can definitely see as possibility.Oh, and there was something nagging me that was nagging me in the Nina challenge: during the workroom consultations, I got the feeling that the respective judges were trying to cause problems for the designers. I don’t think they were being helpful – and I think they were being intentionally unhelpful.Congratulations to Viktor, who definitely deserved to be the winner in this challenge.And why, Tim? Is there something more to the story? Is there something missing? Is there something we should know?

    • Anonymous

      Couple of things: It is no better to hate on Becky because she’s fat then it is to hate on Anya because she is pretty. So quit reading al lthis insincere Mean Girl BS into her treating Becky decently when  she saw it was more than she could handle.

      Josh is a complete dirt-bag HOWEVER having been told to drop dead.. and replying that Bert should be careful because he was a lot closer to death than he was.. was my only laugh of the show.

      Anya wins for hot tell off first class when Josh was gusing over his win on the couch and she said “I cannot believe MY Dress is being sold on Amazon…” and then got up and hugged Victor utter the words “Congratulations, YOU deserved it!” I Noticed the “Hey-what-just-happened-here” look on Joshua’s face but that night I am sure he sat straight up in bed and realized he had been read first clas with tact and class by Miss Congeniality. Way to go Anya! 

      TIM GUN!!!!!!!!!! SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME on you! Perhaps you did not  intend your statement to be a kudos to everyone who spoke up on the runway….but man it sounded like  you were in on the big-ups for bullies band-wagon.

      I think PR lost it’s last shred of dignity last night. It is now just the lead in to Dance Moms. End of a good run.

      • Anonymous

        Holy hell, nobody is hating on Anya because she is pretty.  Her true colors are showing.  And as for preconceptions, there is a world of difference between being “pretty” and being “pageant”.  I see opinions being expressed based on character and personality across the board without regard to attractiveness. 

        • BuffaloBarbara

          The thing is, there really wasn’t anything in the episode that supports the idea that she’s some big Machiavellian schemer.  Not saying she’s not, but most of what’s been referred to seems to be coming from the interpretation of actions that could also be interpreted as “being stuck in the middle” and “trying to make it work” (in fact, Kayne’s blog on the official site refers to her as a “sweetheart” for it).

          It’s foolish to trust what’s shown on a reality show one way or another, but to be fair, all of this assuming that Anya must be triangulating when she offers support to Becky is bringing a lot of baggage by assuming X and Y about pageant queens (which may or may not be justified in the general sense, but certainly can’t apply to individual cases).  What we saw was Anya noticing at the beginning that Becky was being made uncomfortable (but not interrupting Josh as he did this), then, when Josh was being so self-evidently mean, going in to try and say something to make Becky feel better.  Could this have been playing a part?  Popular pretty girl trying to get the nerd to do her homework for her?  Yeah.  Could’ve been.  Might even be a probability. But we don’t have any particular evidence to point to other than “Ew, she’s a beauty queen who did a sex tape” so far.  I was very prepared to make all of those assumptions about her when I first saw her in the “meet the designers” stuff, but so far, I haven’t seen her fulfill those expectations.  I won’t be terribly surprised if she does, but nothing in this episode suggests it.

          The episode did, of course, shift my allegiance to Becky.

          • Anonymous

            Well said & me too!

          • http://profiles.google.com/bratling2 Laura Davies

            me, too.  I still don’t understand why Josh-the-moron didn’t put Becky’s skills with knits to work.   I mean, if I was in something like this and had someone who’d make a living designing knits on my team, I’d sure as hell use their expertise instead of telling them to shut the F**k up like Josh and Anya did to Becky!  (I’m still in love with the plaid dress she showed in the season premier…)

    • Presumptuous Insect

      Remember when Leanne made that stunning dress out of car parts? When Andre made that gorgeous gown based on gutter water? When Chris made that black sparkle and green leopard print costume for the wrestling girl?

      That’s what I watch the show for. And I just realized that I haven’t seen anything half as interesting as those pieces come down the runway yet this season.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fiddlecub Kevin VanOrd

        For several seasons, what kept me watching was the clothes. Gorgeous clothing made by talented people who were interested in flaunting their creativity and proving their worth. I remember seeing multiple stylish pieces come down every week and wondering how the judges could choose from such beauty. Granted, that wasn’t every challenge, but they outnumbered the ones loaded with boring knockoffs and hurried designs. 

        Even the bad clothing had something to it. Santino’s lingerie was hideous. “It’s aesthetically not pleasing!” Nina exclaimed. But we remember those clothes, and not just because of what Nina said. Terrible, but proclamatory and proud. 

        This group is unoriginal and understated. No one’s clothing announces itself the moment it appears on the runway. I remember in the past when the runway show started how I was excited to see what amazing creations these gifted people might give us. Now, it’s about separating the boring and the bad, and wondering what one or two garments might be left to consider. What I loved about the show in seasons past was that it was about gifted people showing what they could create in specific conditions, and with specific restrictions. Now, the creativity is squashed by “storytelling,” and thus, Project Runway becomes another random reality TV show, filled with manipulative–and manipulated–actors playing their assigned roles. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      The part that most annoyed me with Cecilia was that IT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE!  It’s not like there’s a week in between like we watch, this happened THE VERY NEXT DAY!  And she and Julie were SUCH good friends that she had to help her, but she couldn’t SPEAK UP THEN?!?  In that situation, NO WAY do I allow my friend to go home when I’m already feeling like this might not be for me.  If we were the two left standing, I’d have spoken up and told them to send me home, because I wasn’t interested in staying.  And until two seasons ago no one had ever quit (Jack’s was medical, so it’s different.), and now there have been 2 in 3 seasons — do they not screen these people at all?!? 

      Those I was quite impressed with Heidi’s response to her news.  I felt she handled it exactly the right way.

      I also really responded to Anthony Ryan and his complaints about Bert.  Yes, there were things he could have done differently, and yes, his design this week sucked (though I did wonder why Heidi wanted him aufed so badly?)  but I thought he handled the conversation on the runway very well.

      As for Bert, I’d like to second the “SHUT THE FUCK UP”.  I lost all hope for him when Anthony Ryan was talking to him backstage about how “I’ve tried to be nice to you, I’ve tried to interact with you…” and Bert was responding with “I don’t respond to you because I don’t want to.  We don’t have anything in common because you’re too young.”  Um… that’s weird because Peach managed.  Mila managed, Seth Aaron managed, plenty of other designers managed to find enough common ground to BE FUCKING POLITE, YOU HORSE’S ASS!  Granted, their age differences weren’t quite as large, but they were still there. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Oh, and if I were Viktor, I would have chosen Bert.  You sit him down (in the men’s room, where cameras don’t follow you to hear your manipulations:) and explain that “if we make something fabulous together — which I know we can — the judges will be blown away by how we were able to put the last challenge behind us.”  They both come off looking amazing. 

    • Anonymous

      The means of selecting team leaders was so incredibly ableist I almost threw up in my mouth. When Olivier had his faint I immediately wondered if he had some sort of non-visible medical or physical issue that he tried to ignore for the sake of the challenge. I mean, did the producers even bother to check if maybe somebody had a relevant disability of some kind?

      Also, I feel for Kimberly a little. A sane person surrounded by absolute lunacy. (I mean, more so than being surrounded by fash people would immediately suggest.)

      Which, oh my freaking Jeesum, reminds me: at the end, when Josh gave his obviously-so-fake thanks-for-helping-me nod to Becky and he called her Kimberly?! Nggg, it was excruciating. If I were Kimberly, even more than Becky, I think, I’d be folding up into a ball of discomfort.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I wondered about that with Olivier, too–that was very strange.

        And yes, I guess we’re not going to see a fabulous designer who happens to be in a wheelchair any time soon.  And, while Bert annoyed me, Heidi also annoyed me with that mocking run at the end.

    • Anonymous

      One of the first things that struck me as different when I watched Project Runway Australia (aside from the accents, the word frock, and the unedited swearing) was how often the designers compliment each other’s work. More so last season than this season (which, to be honest, has also had more than its share of dulled-down garments – I blame bad challenges and short time frames), but as they get ready for the runway show you hear a lot of “So-and-so’s is really amazing”. You almost never hear anything like that in any season of the US version.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHWCV5QUMLSECZBSVVFDZFSN5U Kenta S

      So many thoughts on this episode… blech.

      Ultimately, I would’ve given either Anya the win exclusively, or I would’ve given Josh the win, but without immunity. He really didn’t deserve that added perk for his behavior. Yes, Becky’s aesthetic isn’t something I respond to, and given the stress of these time constraints (WHY are ALL the challenges only 12 hours long?), I don’t know I’d demonstrate much better behavior than Josh in that position (I wouldn’t be such a bitch to blow up at her for feeling insulted, though). And Anya was so two-faced, being so detached from  Becky until she had to “smooth things over”, which definitely only rubbed salt in Becky’s wounds: she plays headgames, that one (note that she hangs out mostly with Josh, but still speaks glowingly of almost every other designer (i.e., “Anthony’s my favorite” / “It’s a dream to work with Olivier”)? Or doesn’t speak of them at all? That’s a pageant queen’s tact, right there).

      And WHY is there immunity awarded after every Goddamned challenged? Whatever happened to using immunity sparingly, like in season 2? or 3? or even season 4? When a designer won a feature in Elle magazine or production and distribution of their design, *that* was the prize, with no immunity for the next challenge. Oh, Magical Elves, how I miss thee.

    • Anonymous

      Funny you think that with exposure on tv, gay men would start looking like real gay men, but they keep the overly processed and complete a-holes on tv. sure it might make great tv, but when I am battling feeling like no gay man wants to be with me because I am not overly processed and a complete bitch it is completely grating on my mind. If the TV gods could give you two a show on primetime TV, the world would be a better place.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

      Josh doesn’t have any “self love.”  He hates himself intensely and that is why he behaves the way he does.  The writers here ought to know THAT.

      • http://www.tomandorenzo.com Tom and Lorenzo

        Why “ought” we to know that? Because all gay men who act badly must be self-loathing? Honey, we’ve dated way more gay men than you have and we can tell you: sometimes they’re just assholes.

        • akprincess72

          THIS is true & i’d say it applies to everyone…

    • Anonymous

      ….. and that’s why I’m not watching this year…..

    • Anonymous

      Okay, I just watched it.  

      What. The. FUCK?

      That sloppy dress wasn’t even Joshua’s, it was Anya’s!  I mean, I understand that they manufacture drama on this show, but that was just beyond the realm of believability, giving him a ‘win’ for being a royal asshole and for a dress he didn’t even make.  

    • Indovina

      Nothing to see here. This comment was temporarily eaten by Disqus ogres.

    • fragileindustries

      Not only was Joshua’s “winning” dress not his own, not only was it Anya’s, it has the same cut in the back that she uses again and again and this is at least the third again.  First challenge, Nina challenge, this challenge … and I’d have to look again at the stilt walker dress.  Heidi gets a sex flush over that back every week.  Anya actually scares me more than Joshua.  She is smiling sweetly as she puts the shiv in your back.  

      Victor earned the win all on his own.  That sweet creamy crack was all over the place during judging.

    • fragileindustries

      And as for the quitter, I’m glad she’s gone.  But that was the trashiest departure yet.  Not even the hoarded pattern books scandal disgusted me this much.  I can at least understand wanting to win.  I can even understand wanting to leave.  But the time to leave was while she was in the bottom two.  

    • vmcdanie

      This show is definitely past its glory days and I do kind of hate Bunim/Murray for being responsible AND for continuing to do the same shit we complain about every season: uninspired challenges, confusing criteria, obvious manipulation, focus on dramatic, divisive personalities. It wasn’t the worst episode they’ve ever had (that would be either something from either S6 or S8) but it certainly continues to be not what it was.

      Tim’s kudos at the end were mystifying. Did we miss something in the editing? Didn’t one team have a huge fight on the runway about who was lying?  The most you can say is that they were better behaved than last season’s big team challenge.

      Josh I can kind of forgive. He’s young and he did apologize. He’s redeemable. I’m still baffled by his win but PR doesn’t make much sense anymore. I really debated whether to watch it this season. If we keep watching, that’s no incentive for Lifetime to ever fix it. And as reduced as PR is, it’s still more interesting than The Fashion Show, et al.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

      OMG, Anya is scary! And the scariest part is that I still totally like her!

    • http://fafafab.tumblr.com/ fafafab

      it was eventful I had to pause, breath and continue after the first 10 minutes

    • Anonymous

      This challenge just makes Becky and Kimberly look even better by comparison. They made what they do work together and divided work equally. They may not have actually liked each other, but they respected each other, which was more important.

      I don’t care what you say or what producers did. Anya clearly asked Becky to sew for her (and God, given how many maxis she makes, Anya should know how to sew them by now). It was particularly gross because Anya cited her own inexperience with the material, when she and Josh kept shooting Becky down despite her experience with the material. Becky deserves way better than that, both in how’s she’s treated other people and in her output (I also felt bad because she was so cute with her messy morning hair, trying to psych up Celia, who went beyond wet blanket territory into dishrag.)

      At this point, I don’t know if based on design alone, Becky should win this competition, but she’s shown she can really make cute, well made garments while keeping the actual woman in mind, and behave fairly professionally (far more maturely than I would have, realistically, in that situation). I hope someone somewhere in the fashion industry will at the very least snap her up after this.

      • Anonymous

        I agree. I’m on team Becky since the stilts challenge.
        She’s put together, nice friendly and knows how to design and sew.
        Her problem is that she’s too weak and submissive. But I guess it might be hard to stick to one’s guns with sleep deprivation and work stress.

        • Anonymous

          I question whether Becky is weak or submissive. I think that she has been brought up to try to get along. She did object to her lack of input and the dismissive and totally undeserved nasty comments by Josh. And she did speak up for herself on the runway. I think she just didn’t know what else she could do without exploding the situation – and given the rabidness of Josh’s responses -  I’d guess she was physically intimidated. I know that would be my first response.

          • Anonymous

            I know I wouldn’t. It has already been ugly in the office because I didn’t put up with some colleague’s abusive and intimidating behavior. But that not the point because I understand your analysis and agree with it. Maybe I didn’t express mysel rightly since English is not my first langage. Weak might not be the good word, but submissive is definitely what I wanted to express : Joshua was in charge and rudely expressed to Becky that he didn’t expect much from her than cut patterns and sew. And, even if she did try to assert herself, she has been shut out. So she went to the background and do as she was told.
            I think Becky is well educated, polite and, as you said, used to not raise drama. So she thought her behavior was the best one until Tim pointed out she might be called on her passive behavior by the judges.
            And then, she decided to fight back again. She had every right to. On the runway, she had learned her lesson and didn’t let Joshua shut her again. Good for her.

    • Anonymous

      OK, when Heidi began happily to expose the challenge, I was like “here we go again”, let’s open the door to bad designs, ugly fabrics and silly styling : here comes the workout fashion challenge of chicness.
      Last season’s entries for the NB were butt ugly and this season’s no better: boring colors, ugly prints, drab clothes, sad styling. Yuck.

      And how long are we going to have to endure Anya’s racer back ? She let go of the silly hair style, finally, but the maxi dress/ racer back combo still stuck.

      As for the win, well, I can’t say that I’m happy with it but I guess the maximized drama was the producers’ goal and I can just picture them bouncing happily over the buzz created by this episode.
      Now, I just hate Joshua. He dismisses everyone who doesn’t share his view on design and just catalogues them in the “dowdy dresses” category. And on the other hand, he does believes he’s top of the pack, styiling genius and master designer noone can compare to.
      Just give him a few years, no surgeon, no botox and we will have Bert in front of us… No, wait ! That’s it ! Bert is one of the Doctor’s companion, he came back in the past, enrolled in the show under an alias just to meet his past’s self : Joshua !
      Brilliant !

    • http://profiles.google.com/rosatcollege Ros Clarke

      Running?  Seriously?  Those producers should be made to run for their jobs and see how they like it.  It was bad enough a few years ago when they made the designers run over to grab fabric on the first challenge – Chris March didn’t exactly get a fair go.

      I feel pretty sorry for Cecilia.  It’s a big decision to make to pull out and yes, she should have made it the day before, but when you’re as unhappy as she clearly was, that’s definitely the right way to go.

    • http://twitter.com/boricuaintexas Ingrid

      I am finally watching the episode on DVR.  To be honest, I resisted and almost deleted the recording because I do not like bullies and assholes.  I am not done with the episode, but I just watched Josh tell Becky to “take a nap.”   What a colossal prick.  I wish he gets eliminated soon.  He is not as great as he fancies himself to be.

    • Anonymous

      Okay, one last attempt at commenting on this post (am I doing something wrong?).

      At this point, I’m nostalgic for Season 6. No, really – I’ve watched episodes of it recently and, while I always thought it was somewhat unfairly maligned, by comparison it looks fantastic. It’s not great, or even good, but at least it still felt like Project Runway. Everything that made Season 8 horrible (heretofore the worst season, in my opinion) looks to have returned, and then some. The obvious artificiality, the petty joylessness, the incestuousness…

      Where to begin?

      I think you’re being too hard on Cecilia. After that episode, I can’t blame anyone for wanting to leave. Besides, she tried to get kicked off last challenge and I don’t think she could have done anything that would have saved Julie. Given how this season is looking, everyone who was auf’d and especially those who didn’t even make it on the show should be thrilled by that very fact.

      Choosing team leaders with a race was one of the most ridiculous and obnoxious things they’ve ever done on the show. Why not just line them up and pick the tallest? Or the thinnest? Or go by hair colour (“blondes get to be team captains!”) – or by bra size – or latitude of town of birth – or whatever other wholly irrelevant means of selecting the head of a design team the producers can conjure up?

      I had a nagging feeling in this episode – I also had it in the Nina episode – that the respective judges were trying to cause problems for the designers during their workroom consultations. I don’t think they were being helpful – and I think they were being deliberately unhelpful.

      But congratulations to Viktor. You deserve to be the winner. The one and only winner of this challenge. Which you were. In this challenge that only one person won.

      And why, Tim? Is there something more to the story? Is there something missing? Is there something we should know?

    • Kathryn Howell Dalton

      Clearly this “design for Heidi’s line” challenge keeps coming back because no one else wants to do it.  What an odd directive — to design non-workout clothes that go with sneakers.  (And what was that bit in the beginning from Heidi, “…you can design a suit…” when back in the workroom, she said, “…and ‘she’ is going to wear this with sneakers?”  Bert must go.  Clinique’s on notice.

    • mrspeel2

      I’ve just got to get this off my chest and I REALLY hate the fact that the producers have put me in this position but I am totally disgusted with this program. What’s even worse is the fact that I truly doubt the producers will be able to come up with anything in the next few weeks that will change my mind. This is NOT the the PR we all fell in love with over the years. To my mind, in rewarding Josh last night, I think they a took a giant step toward glorifying the act of bullying. It’s funny, but for the last few years I’ve been under the impression that we, as a society, had earnestly embarked on a campaign to obliterate BULLYING. Guess I was wrong.

      One other thing: “….so they shoehorned in a win for Josh even though the winning design was sewn and designed by other people.” Not other people. Wasn’t it ALL BECKY? Anya can’t sew, remember? In fact, last week when she was being praised to high heaven about her outfit (you know, the one that looked exactly like the one she designed last night AND in the challenge previous to that) did she bother to tell the judges that SHE had help sewing it? No. And when they praised the dye job she did on that hideous gold fabric to tone it down, did she tell them that (hate to even give him credit but…) it was Josh who had the idea to do it? No. She apparently can design clothing but when she was introduced to us in the first episode as just learning to sew four months before being accepted and that she had other people sew her clothing for her, I had the feeling this was going to be a lousy cycle and sadly, I’m afraid the producers have proven me right and it really does break my heart.

    • i am a fox

      but……. has anyone actually been to amazon to see the bastardized versions of the winning looks.. ugh!! if any of these fools are looking to actually sell their designs to women.. they’d best not hitch their pony to the heidi wagon.. 

    • Margot Brose

      Poor Becky! She’s got mad skills as a designer, but girlfriend just wants to–here’s a shocker–design! She has no clue how to play the Reality TV game, and even though Anya is unskilled and Josh is subpar in comparison, SHE will go before they do </3

    • http://www.facebook.com/mememenyc Michael English

      People still drop off mail?

    • Anonymous

      Joshua is just oily and horrible.  He gives me the willies.  Someone on here described him as one of those 1890′s “Strong Men” with the shiny skin and fortified eyebrows.  It was exactly right.  I was almost ready to forgive him this until he opened his fucking mouth.  Becky for the win.  Why not?

    • Anonymous

        like this. Exactly like this.

    • Anonymous
    • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

      I am so tired of Anya making a variant of the same extremely simple style every week (flowing dress or racerback top… this was both). Why has she not been called ‘one note’ yet? It’s nauseating.

    • Karen Liles

      I’m so glad I can read your recaps on Fri morning if I miss Thursday night.  I know whether it’s worth my time to watch the dvr.  Obviously, this episode is not worth the time!  
      I’m so glad I wasn’t home – I would have turned it off for sure!
      Give us some REAL challenges PR!  
      Give us something worthy of our time.
      Thanks TLo for all the recaps – checking every day for the latest!

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlotte.horseman Charlotte Horseman

      Perfect recap – I agree completely!   Especially about Tim – he has smacked down designers in the past for bad behavior.  I thought for sure he’d do it again after the runway – When he says “I’m disappointed in you.” it’s like hear that from your mamma.  Maybe you are right and Tim’s comments were so taken out of context we can tell what he was really referring to. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q5FGRMBQVFFBMS53LVJ2FDICPU T

      persons can vote for their favorite designer on the lifttime blog.  it was shocking to find that anya is leading in the voting.  this person does not ring true and it’s a puzzle that she would be the front runner for favorite designer.  do people see her otherwise or are the others just worse than she is so they don’t get votes? 

      • Anonymous

        Voting is done through Twitter only. Sorry—I don’t and don’t care to tweet. I think a regular online poll would result in very different numbers.

        • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

          No, you can vote on the website, too.  You have two ways of voting for Fan Favorite this season.

          • Anonymous

            Cool! When I tried, it kept asking me to tweet. But I’ll try again.

      • http://twitter.com/bellebeauxx bella beau

        Anya is a favourite because her supporters are those who are familiar with her work/clothing line pilar which has been showcased on runways across the caribbean and even in paris. Anya is no sewer we know this as she employs seamstresses to execute her vision, but she is a talented up and coming designer and is a protege of a well known designer in the caribbean. This is simply unbeknownst to the rest of the world(well PR viewers) that doesnt make it “shocking”.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q5FGRMBQVFFBMS53LVJ2FDICPU T

          it’s shocking to me that the viewing public, whoever they are, have thus far voted anya as most favorite designer.  she’s pure bogus.  that says more about the viewing public who is voting for her than it does about anya.

        • akprincess72

          We get it, you are team Anya, but you will have trouble finding a lot of others who are.  She doesn’t sew, her designs are all too similar & she does come across as manipulative.   I was hoping she’d play against the pretty girl stereotype, but no.  She’s a perfect match for Miss J. Clinique.   

    • Anonymous

      I am totally Team Becky.  

    • Anonymous

      OMG! I just watched the extended judging of Josh M.’s team. He not only threw Becky under the bus—and used the word “dowdy” twice on the runway—but he even blamed the bad hair completely on the l’Oréal stylists, saying he left the hair solely to their judgment! And Anya stood there smirking as if butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth. Josh also seems to have been primarily responsible for the ill-fitting skirt on “Becky’s” design, with Becky’s only input being the top—which she readily admitted was too short

      Slimy is too good a word for him.

    • Anonymous

      Amen!

    • Anonymous

      Anya is unbelievably lethal – she’s like the ultimate queen bee, makes everyone do her work for her…the only thing that’ll bring her down is her lack of sewing skills

      • http://twitter.com/bellebeauxx bella beau

        Didnt realize anya “makes everyone” do work for her. If the other designers help her of their own free will then it’s on them. Yes I do not agree in her accepting help but she did not ask for it they offered.

        • Anonymous

          Bella, she is SO totally playing them…I knew someone very similar to it – she was incredibly sweet and kind when she needed to but she had everyone practically falling all over each other to do her work – she never asked but never stopped them either….  Eventually, someone in management figured out she was completely useless but that was only after she’d run 3 or 4 teams into the ground as a manager.

          • http://twitter.com/bellebeauxx bella beau

            I understand your point but this is not always the case. Still, whether she is being nice or not the other contestants are under no obligation to help. At the end of the day, no one forced their hand. The scenario you talk about with employee believe me i’ve seen that myself but have also seen such “sweet” people turned down not out of mean spirit-ness but because some of us know that sometimes you have to allow people to pull their own weight. For the record, i do know anya and she is genuinely a sweet person indeed but if we were in a competition i surely WAS NOT helping her(SOLELY on the fact that i’d be in competitive mode), and this is at my own discretion, just as those who aided used THEIRS. Can’t fault her for that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Cox/638642707 Amanda Cox

      Long time reader, first time commenter. I just wanted to commend you guys on always saying exactly what my friends and I think when watching all the drama on this show, especially in the past few years. We could not believe that the judges would be stupid enough to congratulate Josh on his horrible treatment of Becky, that such behavior could even be considered “good management.” We’re not entirely sure on this one, but wasn’t there a Heidi New Balance challenge last year as well? And wasn’t that challenge just as vague? Maybe active wear is just the judge’s excuse to hate on the underdogs.

    • M Zebrack

      Interesting. Pippa is wearing a very similar Viktor ensemble in a photo which appeared August 16th on E!

      http://www.eonline.com/photos/gallery.jsp?galleryUUID=6#136969

    • http://www.facebook.com/flowercam Camille Chapman

      I hope the producers DO listen!!! This episode was really painful to watch… no more a competition for talent, but a drama mayhem we could see on a multitude of other channels.

    • Anonymous

      Wow!  I’ve been out of town, so just catching up on the episode and the recaps.  Probably repeating much that was said here, but no time to wade through (at this count) 709 comments.  Miss J. MAC is such a sneering diva-bitch, that I think the temptation to highlight his ghastliness was too strong to resist.  I know that you, TLo, often claim half the fun of PR is the bitchiness, but I truly disagree–I watch it for the design competition.  Viktor had the winning design:  Period.  And, unexpectedly, Miss Mormon’s tee was easily the second-place winner.  Far be it from me to diss a gay man based on stereotyping, but I find I literally cannot listen to MAC’s drawling “gayvoice”  (which I actually have, too, but mine isn’t forcibly pitched to the level of hysterical keening); rewarding the drama inherent in his open-mouthed “can-you-believe-it” sneer coupled with the frothing whine of a 15-year-old girl forced to stay home from the year’s first post- home game dance has me despairing that this show has crossed the line into a dark place from which it can’t return:  Big Brother With Dress Forms.

    • Anonymous

      Outside of the drama, looking at the dress on Amazon, what the hell, was this a design for Cabela’s competition? That shit’s camo.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ethan-W/509750727 Ethan W

      Maybe Sisillia left just cuz there were too much production team manipulation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kati.irons Kati Irons

      I totally understand being Ick-ed out by this episode…I just didn’t know who to hate more, but I want to throw out some support for TG.  I interpreted his comment about being proud of everyone for telling the truth as support for the designers standing up to the judges in an impossible challenge.  I didn’t interpret it as Tim suddenly supporting temper tantrums.  The producers are doing TERRIBLY this season giving directions to the designers or explanations about what they’re going to be judged on.  The judges are being gross and hypocritical in their judging.  Historically this is the kind of thing that makes Tim crazy, so what I was hearing was Tim saying “I’m proud of you for standing up for yourselves when you keep being forced into this tornado of hypocrisy. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/kati.irons Kati Irons

      I totally understand being Ick-ed out by this episode…I just didn’t know who to hate more, but I want to throw out some support for TG.  I interpreted his comment about being proud of everyone for telling the truth as support for the designers standing up to the judges in an impossible challenge.  I didn’t interpret it as Tim suddenly supporting temper tantrums.  The producers are doing TERRIBLY this season giving directions to the designers or explanations about what they’re going to be judged on.  The judges are being gross and hypocritical in their judging.  Historically this is the kind of thing that makes Tim crazy, so what I was hearing was Tim saying “I’m proud of you for standing up for yourselves when you keep being forced into this tornado of hypocrisy. 

    • Anonymous

      I said almost everything you said about the show to my partner as we were watching this last night. The whole thing appears to be contrived now. It’s phoney and lost it’s integrity. It’s all about who can we get to create drama and whose personality is best for future episodes. They changed the whole show and it’s so much for the worse. One day you’re in, next day your out. Not anymore. Adios to one of the philosophies that made the show work. Oh yeah one more thing. Nina and Michael need to stop bitch slapping each other until they are silly before they go out on the runway so they can make some sense. Those semi-conscious ramblings got to go.
       I do disagree with T&L about Victor’s winning look. So grabbing a garment that looks like it was wadded up and stuffed in the bottom drawer of your dresser, throwing it on and prancing about town in it is modern? That’s chic? I guess the new definition of modern and chic is ugly. And drab and depressing.

    • jocelot

      Not sure anyone’s mentioned this yet about this post…but calling Cecilia an asshole, wha? It’s surprising more people don’t quit in the midst of the S&M psychotic-ness Heidi Klum and Proj Runway inspires.

    • Anonymous

      “If you look at it as a psych experiment to study group dynamics, it makes perfect sense.”

      You don’t actually think this show’s about fashion design and garment construction, do you?  :-)

    • a. hrnić

      Viktor’s jacket, although very cute, was also too reminiscent of Céline’s leather jacket, mainly in the sleve detailing (which really makes the jacket).

      And yes, Bert and Josh’s behaviour was disgusting. They should really learn how to employ at least some amount of tact and decency when dealing with others, but let’s face it, this show would otherwise have been even less eventful than 90s reality tv.

    • a. hrnić

      Viktor’s jacket, although very cute, was also too reminiscent of Céline’s leather jacket, mainly in the sleve detailing (which really makes the jacket).

      And yes, Bert and Josh’s behaviour was disgusting. They should really learn how to employ at least some amount of tact and decency when dealing with others, but let’s face it, this show would otherwise have been even less eventful than 90s reality tv.

    • Anonymous

      Thank goodness for your post. This whole episode left such a bad taste in my mouth.  Josh made me sick to my stomach….and to see him get rewarded for it?  Yuck.

    • http://twitter.com/boocatbutterbee boocat

      I hate this show now. I follow what happens here on the blog.  I will not be buying the DVD set. I hope they cancel this t*rd.