PR: Generation Gap

Posted on August 27, 2011

“There are some names I remember because I think the people are worth remembering; it takes me a long time to remember their names because they’re not that significant.”

“These two other designers have a more contrived vision. Mine is going to be clean, modern and fresh, not the Midwest or wherever the hell they’re from.”

We don’t care about his backstory or even if his teammates were dismissive of him…

He was a Grade A asshole this week, there’s no getting around it. In fact, he’s been a Grade A asshole EVERY week so far. It surprises us to see how much he’s being defended in the comments. We can’t point to one thing Gretchen said last season that was as obnoxious and nasty as half the things that came out of Bert’s mouth in only the first 4 episodes of this season. Not bothering to learn people’s names because they’re “not significant?”  CHEERING ON THE RUNWAY WHEN SOMEONE ELSE GETS CRITICIZED? Are you kidding us? There is NO defending that kind of behavior. And if the argument is that he was right to act that way this week because his team mates were dismissive, what’s the excuse for every other time he’s been nasty?

Despite what Bert said on the runway – Oh, that’s another indefensible thing: the tendency to be not entirely truthful on the runway – his team mates did not just dismiss him or reject everything he tried outright. We don’t know about yours, but our TV showed several scenes of his team mates trying desperately to reason with him and HE was the one blowing THEM off.

No one on a team gets the right of having their ideas automatically accepted, and in a 3-person team, majority rule is the only way to progress. Any reasonable person, no matter how irritating it might be to have your ideas shot down, would recognize that and just get on with it. Becky did, although she was a bit too passive in the end.

We’re of the generation between Bert the Boomer and Anthony and Laura, the Millenials, but our sympathies tend to lie with the young folks this time around. In all the talk about this team there’s one thing we picked up on that no one seems to be talking about: Anthony and Laura were TERRIFIED of Bert.

Check out the body language here:

They’re not standing and sitting apart from Bert because they disdain him or look down on him; they’re intimidated by him.

We’re not trying to paint the actions of these two as above reproach in any way, but to us, sitting smack between the Boomers and Gen Y, their actions all seemed to come down to lack of experience. Spend a decade or two in the work force and you’ll meet more than your share of Berts. You learn pretty quickly how to placate someone like that in order to get something out of them and avoid a lot of drama. These two did everything you’re NOT supposed to do. They marginalized him immediately and rejected his ideas too quickly. Worse, they argued with him and that’s not something you ever want to do with a person who argues with everyone about everything. Someone like Bert needs a little bullshitting and hand-holding.

They’ve spent enough time with Bert to know what he’s like. Every single designer there doesn’t like the guy and we suppose you could cling to the idea that it’s because they’re all just a bunch of snotty whippersnappers but common sense tells us when everyone in a group dislikes one member, chances are there’s something amiss with that one member’s behavior and personality. The problem is, they started from the point of assuming that Bert was going to be trouble instead of starting from the point of asking how to deal with Bert. They had their defenses up too quickly and they came down much too hard on him in the beginning. Result: disaster.

Bert can cheer all he wants, but the fact remains that his was only the best in a pile of shit. That doesn’t make it a good look on its own.

Laura



The top was kind of cute, except when she turns around. We don’t know what the hell she was thinking there. The shorts are horrifying. The vest makes no sense with the other pieces.

Bert





These are well-made garments that look pretty good together. But they’re a terrible choice to wear with sneakers unless you want to look like a ’90s administrative assistant on the way to work. That top is simply way too fussy for sneakers. We could see the skirt paired with them, but not that top.

Anthony





Hold us, darlings. We’re not feeling well at the moment.

Quite possibly one of the worst garments in the history of the show. INSANELY disproportionate and unflattering.

Anthony admitted that he was too caught up in Bert drama to really work on his design, but that’s not Bert’s fault, no matter how shitty he acted. Anthony’s responsible for his own actions and reactions, which means his shitastic romper is his fault and no one else’s.

But Bert still acted like a total shit.

[Photo Credit: Barbara Nitke/MyLifetime.com - Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

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  • Anonymous

    I still think Bert is disordered, and almost certainly Aspie. Aspies can be mean. It doesn’t make it okay to be mean. Bert is mean. Mean isn’t okay.

    (I’m spelling this out really slowly because I don’t want my armchair diagnosis to be seen as a defense of him.) 

    It’s pretty clear to me that Bert is not just mean, but also incredibly defensive. In his mind, everyone picks on poor, poor Bert and that justifies everything he does.

    He should get some therapy. And like, sew his lips shut until that’s handled.

    • Anonymous

      “sew his lips shut until that’s handled.” Pretty funny. I don’t know what the reasons are for this behavior, and I’m sure that whatever they are, he’s deserving of compassion, just like everyone else on the planet.

      BUT, while he may be the oldest contestant, he’s certainly one of the most (if not the most) childish. Honestly, he behaved like some first graders I’ve seen (only with more cursing): sulking, laughing inappropriately, threatening to take his toys and go home, (figuratively) sticking his fingers in his ears and going “lalalalalalala,” fibbing.

      He’s really turning out to be no fun at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Cleary/1201575213 Patrick Cleary

        I don’t think he’s on the Asperger’s  spectrum, I think he’s a dry drunk. He totally doesn’t know how to deal with life, so he’s living in between drinks, which is how many alcoholics live, even when they give up drinking altogether.

        Plus, he’s an asshole. Nothing fixes that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sarah-Adams/1143985903 Sarah Adams

          ^ THIS! There’s a distinct difference between a dry drunk and a recovering one. Bert is meaner than a snake and he has no idea how awful he comes across because he’s so locked into his own view of life. I was rooting for him when he got on the show, but he SO needs to go. 

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IGAP35BYZNYQQY64Z6SNSETIOQ Thomas J

          I was actually thinking the same thing.  A dry drunk.  

          • Anonymous

            The more I watch Bert, dry drunk for sure.  Such a nasty, self-absorbed cow.  He could have designed the garment version of the Mona Lisa and I still would think he is an asshole.  I just can’t watch that anymore.

          • RyzandShyn

            While I was watching the show all I could think was “Bert must’ve been one helluva mean drunk”. Dry drunk it must be.

    • Pennymac

      Interesting armchair diagnosis. I totally agree. That, coupled with the recovering alcoholic self centerdness, explain his actions. Which in no way makes them okay. What do you get when you sober up an a**hole? A sober a**hole.

      Although, an administrative assistant throwing on sneakers to walk during her lunch hour is a plausible way to exhibit this outfit and those horrendous shoes.

      And off topic, what is up with the models this season? Seriously? Blenleys’ model was in the middle of a back breakout and they didn’t use any cover up?

      • Anonymous

        I think those are mole/freckle spots, not acne. 

        • Anonymous

          Some maybe. But there are red, raised splotches. Looks like she had a few insect stings. But really, the show can’t afford or the designers didn’t think to cover those up?

          • Anonymous

            Maybe they didn’t find them as aesthetically unpleasing. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=720086455 Sue Shea

            GROSS! but super funny!

    • http://www.facebook.com/CatherineKatz Catherine Katz

      I don’t think he’s Aspie.  He interacts too well when he wants to.  (Aspie household here, so if I generalize or say something you disagree with, it’s all IMHO.)  He deploys the interaction when it benefits him.  

      He is absolutely mean and defensive – much more “I’ve been through a bunch of shit so I’ve earned the right to act how I want.”  And, I absolutely think he comes from a place of “I’ve done this before, I’m so much better than they are.”  

      I’m sure Becky – since she was demoted to seamstress this week – would be agreeable to stitch those lips shut… 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

        Autism is a spectrum disorder so how it manifests in one may not appear the same way in another.  If you have a loving household then things are going to run more smoothly.  I am an Aspie and have spent over 10 years giving myself therapy just so I can have friends in my life who actually want to be in my company.  I know one thing for sure though, insecure people do not make the cut.  I am too logical, reasonble and direct and insecure people “make it about them.”  I also do not apologise for my intellect and that too makes the insecure nervous. 

        • Anonymous

          You must be extremely brilliant.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

            Many with Aspergers ARE brilliant.

        • Anonymous

          Well said.  I concur – emotionally insecure people will likely freak out in that context.   

      • Anonymous

        Armchair diagnoses are worth what you pay for them, I know, but we’re an Aspie household as well, fwiw.

      • Anonymous

        Remember in the beginning when we saw a picture of him with his late partner from about 20 years ago?  Bert was drop-dead gorgeous–and he acts just like a beautiful, stuck-up, entitled glamour boy.  He dismisses the other designers because in his ‘prime’ he would never have associated with any of them—I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a regular at Studio 54 or some other type of night spot in the 1980′s that had the doorman/bouncer and the red velvet rope to keep out all the less-than beautiful people
         

    • Anonymous

      I second your diagnosis; I’ve got an Aspie friend who could be Bert’s twin.But my friend is lucky to be living in the UK, where people tend to be more tolerant of eccentric personalities. These younger contestants don’t have the social skills or the desire to tolerate Bert’s special handling needs. Of course, none of this excuses his behavior.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

        I am in the UK and I can echo what you’ve posted here.  I am an Aspie too and it certainly does make a difference to be in a country where there is actual support.  Also, people just tend to get on with their lives so it’s pretty good here.  I had to tell someone I worked with that if they were going to use sarcasm around me then they’d better make sure they say “just joking” so I don’t take their words as actually having meaning.  I once told a girl who liked one of my friends that “he is gay” because, well, he told me was but he was “joking” but I had no way of knowing.  The best way to be is “say what you mean and mean what you say.”

    • Anonymous

      Bert strikes me as deeply insecure, and possibly operating emotionally on the level of an 8 or 9 year old boy. The “did not/did too” responses to his teammates on the runway, the quick spiteful denials and closing off all seem right out of childhood. Insecure and mean together reads pathetic (and also hurtful). The Anthony-Laura intimidated body language that TLo brilliantly pointed out works with this too: how you group together on the playground with your friend when you have to be near the problem kid, and of course that activates him. It’s much more grotesque because Bert is older. 

      • Anonymous

        I think Bert has two serious problems: He comes into every interaction with the other (younger) designers assuming they should defer to him because of his age and his (ancient history) experience with a couple name brand designers. And his design aesthetic fossilized about the time he quit the fashion business in the early nineties.
        He’s completely unable to recognize either of those failings and gets nasty when he’s called on them. That may be insecurity but I think its more likely just “stubborn old man who thinks too highly of himself”.

      • Anonymous

        I think Bert has two serious problems: He comes into every interaction with the other (younger) designers assuming they should defer to him because of his age and his (ancient history) experience with a couple name brand designers. And his design aesthetic fossilized about the time he quit the fashion business in the early nineties.
        He’s completely unable to recognize either of those failings and gets nasty when he’s called on them. That may be insecurity but I think its more likely just “stubborn old man who thinks too highly of himself”.

      • Anonymous

        I think Bert has two serious problems: He comes into every interaction with the other (younger) designers assuming they should defer to him because of his age and his (ancient history) experience with a couple name brand designers. And his design aesthetic fossilized about the time he quit the fashion business in the early nineties.
        He’s completely unable to recognize either of those failings and gets nasty when he’s called on them. That may be insecurity but I think its more likely just “stubborn old man who thinks too highly of himself”.

      • Anonymous

        I think Bert has two serious problems: He comes into every interaction with the other (younger) designers assuming they should defer to him because of his age and his (ancient history) experience with a couple name brand designers. And his design aesthetic fossilized about the time he quit the fashion business in the early nineties.
        He’s completely unable to recognize either of those failings and gets nasty when he’s called on them. That may be insecurity but I think its more likely just “stubborn old man who thinks too highly of himself”.

      • Anonymous

        I think Bert has two serious problems: He comes into every interaction with the other (younger) designers assuming they should defer to him because of his age and his (ancient history) experience with a couple name brand designers. And his design aesthetic fossilized about the time he quit the fashion business in the early nineties.
        He’s completely unable to recognize either of those failings and gets nasty when he’s called on them. That may be insecurity but I think its more likely just “stubborn old man who thinks too highly of himself”.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

      I haven’t seen the show yet because I don’t have a TV and have to download it but from the description, I’d say you are most likely right.  This is really curious, this post.  Last night I was at a pub and was trying to explain to someone how to handle one of their coworkers who is a negative pill and I said almost word for word what Tom and Lorenzo wrote here.  I am also Aspergers and had to explain to the same  guy who used sarcasm non stop that I didn’t get it because I can’t read faces very well so I don’t know when he is telling the truth or not.  Men see this as a sort of patronising “teasing women” but for an Aspie, the urge to punch them in the face is incredible.  I had to tell him that I worked very hard on being able to deal with others but in the end I had to give up and go home.  I just call sarcastic people “bitter liars.”  They’re a waste of oxygen big style.  It was an exhausting evening so it is astonishing (serendipity, mind) that I’m seeing it again on this web post.  The ways of the universe, eh.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BY3KYG6VBWOARL52M5HASFM5AY inked613r

      sorry i’ve got to say ‘no’ on that aspie diagnosis [another aspie household here]..in all the kids/adults i’ve met w/ AS not one of them has been so outwardly mean, nasty and generally joyful of another person’s downfall. if anything they would have no reaction to another person getting chewed out [or in the case of some, they would get agitated themselves]. no i think bert is a self-absorbed dramatic nasty queen who just thinks he’s all that and a bag of chips. a really stale, old, rancid bag of chips

      • http://profiles.google.com/stellans Stella Sloop

        I totally agree; having grown up with an Aspie, and subsequently a Aspie nephew (whom I love to pieces), and interacting with the groups they belong to (parents, families, Aspies), I don’t remember ever meeting anyone as hateful as Bert. Granted, they weren’t in Hollywood nor to my knowledge the fashion industry. But still…I think Bert is just a nasty, hateful,  entitled, self-absorbed piece of work with an extremely out-sized ego and no manners, PERIOD.

        • Anonymous

          I think it’s important to realize, though, that different people have different reactions to being an aspie. So saying that you know a lot of people who are Aspies and don’t act like that doesn’t mean that there are no aspies that turn to meanness as a (bad) coping mechanism.

        • Anonymous

          I think it’s important to realize, though, that different people have different reactions to being an aspie. So saying that you know a lot of people who are Aspies and don’t act like that doesn’t mean that there are no aspies that turn to meanness as a (bad) coping mechanism.

        • Anonymous

          I can’t say whether Bert is Aspie or not.  But I do know an Aspie who posts on a political blog I do work for, and it’s as if there are two personalities vying for position within him.  One personality writes these amazing posts on science filled with facts and nuance, and in the comments of those posts he’s quite nice.  The other personality gets worked if anyone posts something even slightly critical of the President, and then writes the most offensive, abusive screeds you can imagine, then tears into commenters that are offended by his characterizations and language.  And never the twain shall meet there.

          So I can’t judge anyone as being Aspie or not, but I can say definitively that some Aspie’s can be assholes.

          One thing I see in Bert looks like paranoia.  He said and did things early on that put off the other contestants.  They naturally shied away from him and excluded him in ways great and small.  That seems to tweak his paranoid streak and he becomes even nastier and defensive.  It’s a vicious cycle that causes tension for all of them. 

          Bert’s a raging ass.  The rest of them shouldn’t let that wear them down.

          • Jolene Barnett

            “So I can’t judge anyone as being Aspie or not, but I can say definitively that some Aspie’s can be assholes.”

            Anyone can be an asshole. I hate the perception that some people can’t help being assholes. Asshole is not a condition you’re born with, it’s one you develop. There may be contributing factors, but ultimately every person gets to decide whether to be an asshole or not.

            (I’m agreeing with you, just so you know. That sentence just struck me as one I’d like to expand on.)

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for clarifying, although I got what you were saying.  Yeah, anyone can be an asshole.  It doesn’t matter if they’re perfectly healthy or have something going on that hinders them.  I’ve had instances when I’ve had to go on medication that makes me a raging asshole despite all my efforts to control it and had to go back to the doctor and tell her that it’s not acceptable, help me figure something out.  But there are so many (too many) people who feel like being assholes and just go with it.  I have a hard time seeing how it can be any more pleasant to them that it is to everyone around them.

          • Anonymous

            The description of your boss is an intriguing one. I’m suspecting more and more that 1) I may be aspie or at least have aspie tendencies and that 2) at least some of my siblings seem to have the same issue.
            What struck me about your description of your boss is that it reminds me of something about one of my brothers who I suspect to be an aspie. He is a fine brother online (mostly). I can have ‘conversations’ with him and enjoy his ‘online’ company and he’s generally a kind and considerate person. When I meet him in person, though, he goes straight to ‘raging asshole’ and stays there. It seems like a split personality, but then you factor in that he just doesn’t have an understanding of social cues, and it makes more sense.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe when your brother is online it adds a filter layer that doesn’t exist or that he can’t tap into in person.  Maybe he’s depressed or struggling with other issues that can produce assholishness.  There are some people that can learn not to be assholes or that medication will help.  Medication can also turn a perfectly nice person into a raging asshole, too.  I’ve had that happen to me when I’ve had to go on steroids for an autoimmune disease.  These might well be worth exploring to see if there is something that could help.

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

          • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

            He may be better online because he has time to consider his words more when he’s typing than while speaking.  And some of it may be that you do the same in dealing with him, since you said that you aren’t terribly adept at difficult social interactions yourself. 

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

          • Anonymous

            This sounds like good advice, but with a couple of problems. 1) In person, he’s been a raging asshole his whole life, and it’s only after I moved away and only talk to him through the internet that he became a person I could communicate with. It’s when I visit my hometown and have to see him again that he becomes that unbearable person I’ve known my whole life. 2) He has told me to my face that he thinks I hate him, and though this isn’t true it would make it impossible for me to suggest that he go to a doctor to have his personality issues checked out, because he would assume it was an attack. Not having a lot of social adroitness myself is part of the problem, because even when I try to be considerate, people react as if I’m being completely tactless. Example from a few years back: I took my mother aside and gently suggested that she and my father should look in to getting hearing aids, because their safety seemed to be at risk by this point. Her reaction was unexpectedly very hostile. And I have a *good* relationship with my mom. 

      • Anonymous

        Older Aspies are often different, and more difficult, because they didn’t get any intervention as kids. These behaviors *can* be un-learned. (Which is part of why I feel free to judge Bert harshly.)

      • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

        You take an asshole with Asperger’s, and you still have an asshole… I don’t think his being a dick has anything to do with Asperger’s, whether he has it or not — he’s just a dick.

        And I will say, he does seem like more of a dry drunk to me, but I don’t know a lot of Asperger’s patients.

    • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

      I second your comments, Deb.  The guy is all defense, and is disrespectful of pretty much everyone else, and this might be middling on the Aspie Syndrome.  I actually think he’s really afraid of losing because he knows his designs are too safe and boring, although he’ll promote the crap out of them. He’s a legend in his own mind, but he won’t acknowledge his flaws. But he has bee a total A-Wipe this entire season and no amount of editing can portray him otherwise.

    • MilaXX

      I’ve worked w/ special needs children & adults for most of my professional career, Bert is not even remotely on the austism spectrum & that includes asperger’s syndrome.

      • Anonymous

        Plus Aspies rarely lie, and if they do, they are bad at it. They may misunderstand a situation and misquote it, but they are not lying. They are telling it as they see it. Bert, on the other hand, lies convincingly and smoothly.

    • Anonymous

      Bert is most certainly not Aspy.  I think he is a former addict who definately has the lingering effects of personality characteristics associated with an addict.  While he beat the addiction, the addiction beat him forever.  You’re right though, not defending him. 

      • Anonymous

        Just what I was thinking.  It seems like he kicked the substances but still has the behavior.  Asperger’s or not–he needs help and I hope he gets it.  I hate seeing how hateful he is on the show.

    • Anonymous

      Interesting. On another board I go to, someone suggested that Olivier has Asperger’s. There sure are lots of autistic folks running around in that workroom this season.

      I don’t know a thing about Asperger’s, but I do know something about cranky old men. They can also be mean. I think that’s all we’re seeing.

      If there’s to be any lip-sewing… I was going to say how about Josh M., but I don’t think anyone’s lips should be sewn shut.

    • Anonymous

      Hmm. An interesting idea, but I don’t know. I can see some of his behaviour being reminiscent of Asperger’s: a strict, rule-based approach to things (e.g. refusing to work with Viktor or Anthony and Laura because they didn’t want to work with him), “logical” coasting when he had immunity, obliviousness to things around him (e.g. not realizing Olivier was next to him, not seeing the shoeboxes and needing Anthony to explain exactly what he was referring to on the counter) – but he seems rather aware and willful in his behaviour and comments (such as his comments on the runway in this episode). It seems like he wanted Anthony and Laura to feel bad during the judging.
      People with Asperger’s vary, and it’s hard to tell, of course, how they would be in such a situation as a competition reality show (there was a girl with Asperger’s on ANTM once, Heather, but she was all kinds of wonderful) – not to mention that armchair diagnoses are armchair diagnoses – so it’s hard to say.But, even if true, you’re right, it wouldn’t justify his behaviour.

      • Anonymous

        It seems to have removed some of my spacing between paragraphs, but I’m not going to edit, because that seems to be summoning the Disqus ogres that eat comments.

      • http://twitter.com/chelwi Christine

        Just want to say that I loved Heather too on ANTM. :D

        • Anonymous

          Oh, she was just fantastic, wasn’t she? You had to love her from the very beginning, when she walked into the casting panel and said, “Hey pretty lady. And Tyra.” 

      • http://twitter.com/chelwi Christine

        Just want to say that I loved Heather too on ANTM. :D

    • http://twitter.com/jeremyhowardboo Jeremy Howard Beck

      Oh, hell no.  Because non-Aspies can never be mean, right?

      As an Aspie with pretty good Aspie-dar, Bert is almost definitely not one.  Bert’s meanness shows a kind of awareness of other people’s feelings that Aspies just don’t have, no matter how “high functioning.” (I’m “high functioning” enough that I can pass in most social situations, but that’s still a performance on my part.)But that’s neither here nor there.  To be Aspie-frank, whether Bert is an Aspie or not is irrelevant. Bert is an asshole, and there are plenty of assholes who aren’t Aspies in the world.  This isn’t the first time someone’s made an armchair diagnosis of Asperger’s to explain someone’s mean/cruel behavior toward others, and it offends me that people think of Asperger’s as some sort of Asshole Disorder.  Asperger’s doesn’t MAKE you mean.  Being an asshole makes you mean.  There are nice Aspies and mean Aspies, and us nice Aspies don’t like being lumped in with the mean ones just because we have AS in common.To repeat: Bert may or may not be an Aspie, which is completely unrelated to the fact that he is an asshole.

    • http://twitter.com/jeremyhowardboo Jeremy Howard Beck

      Oh, hell no.  Because non-Aspies can never be mean, right?

      As an Aspie with pretty good Aspie-dar, Bert is almost definitely not one.  Bert’s meanness shows a kind of awareness of other people’s feelings that Aspies just don’t have, no matter how “high functioning.” (I’m “high functioning” enough that I can pass in most social situations, but that’s still a performance on my part.)But that’s neither here nor there.  To be Aspie-frank, whether Bert is an Aspie or not is irrelevant. Bert is an asshole, and there are plenty of assholes who aren’t Aspies in the world.  This isn’t the first time someone’s made an armchair diagnosis of Asperger’s to explain someone’s mean/cruel behavior toward others, and it offends me that people think of Asperger’s as some sort of Asshole Disorder.  Asperger’s doesn’t MAKE you mean.  Being an asshole makes you mean.  There are nice Aspies and mean Aspies, and us nice Aspies don’t like being lumped in with the mean ones just because we have AS in common.To repeat: Bert may or may not be an Aspie, which is completely unrelated to the fact that he is an asshole.

    • http://www.jeremyhowardbeck.com/ Jeremy Howard Beck

      Oh, hell no.  Because non-Aspies can never be mean, right?  

      Bert’s almost certainly not an Aspie.  His meanness showed a kind of awareness of other people’s feelings that Aspies just don’t have.  He *took pleasure* in seeing his teammates criticized.  An Aspie would never have that reaction.  

      But that’s neither here nor there.  Whether or not Bert is an Aspie has nothing to do with the fact that he’s an a**hole.  As a nice Aspie, I don’t appreciate being lumped in with all the mean Aspies just because we have AS in common, as if Asperger’s is some sort of A**hole Disorder.  Being an Aspie doesn’t make you mean.  Being mean makes you mean.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHWCV5QUMLSECZBSVVFDZFSN5U Kenta S

       What about the fact that he’s only a recently recovering alcoholic? I’ve heard of “dry drunks”, and considering he’s 57 years old and only 3 years sober, I’d bet that he’s still struggling with his urges to drink (and if anything ever made you want to drink, it’d be performing in these conditions). He’s a fucked-up, jaded, bitter old queen, and he’s got his reasons for it, but I don’t think Project Runway and substance abuse recover go well together.

      And I never thought of their body language before, but yeah, considering how belligerent Bert gets, everyone’s probably scared he’ll lash out physically at them. Which, come to think of it, I kinda wanna see Josh and Bert get into a cagematch.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHWCV5QUMLSECZBSVVFDZFSN5U Kenta S

       What about the fact that he’s only a recently recovering alcoholic? I’ve heard of “dry drunks”, and considering he’s 57 years old and only 3 years sober, I’d bet that he’s still struggling with his urges to drink (and if anything ever made you want to drink, it’d be performing in these conditions). He’s a fucked-up, jaded, bitter old queen, and he’s got his reasons for it, but I don’t think Project Runway and substance abuse recover go well together.

      And I never thought of their body language before, but yeah, considering how belligerent Bert gets, everyone’s probably scared he’ll lash out physically at them. Which, come to think of it, I kinda wanna see Josh and Bert get into a cagematch.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHWCV5QUMLSECZBSVVFDZFSN5U Kenta S

       What about the fact that he’s only a recently recovering alcoholic? I’ve heard of “dry drunks”, and considering he’s 57 years old and only 3 years sober, I’d bet that he’s still struggling with his urges to drink (and if anything ever made you want to drink, it’d be performing in these conditions). He’s a fucked-up, jaded, bitter old queen, and he’s got his reasons for it, but I don’t think Project Runway and substance abuse recover go well together.

      And I never thought of their body language before, but yeah, considering how belligerent Bert gets, everyone’s probably scared he’ll lash out physically at them. Which, come to think of it, I kinda wanna see Josh and Bert get into a cagematch.

    • Anonymous

      I am a shrink and I don’t think he’s an Aspberger’s person.  I think he’s just an asshole, which makes me sad.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Thomas/1127967580 Ian Thomas

        I don’t believe he’s Asperger’s either. What I do think he is is an almost textbook example of a particular kind of neurotic as defined by Karen Horney (yes, the theory may be old but it fits Bert to a tee). Horney defined three ‘types’ of neurotics: those who move toward people, those who move away from people, and those–like Bert–who move against people. Everything Bert does is in opposition to someone else, and his actions on the runway are about as clear an example of a “vindictive triumph” that one is likely to see. As someone here as previously noted, it isn’t enough for Bert to argue–he has to belittle and humiliate anyone who won’t let him get his way. I’m not saying that the other designers haven’t been assholes in their own special ways to Bert, but his *reactions* to their behavior strongly suggest that his primary mode of dealing with people is to move against them. And such people are dangerous, because they will do pretty much anything for that vindictive triumph over others. Makes for good tv though. LOL!

    • Helen C

      I don’t know…  I remember Heather from ANTM C9 and she is a diagnosed Asperger’s.  She was really sweet and almost too meek.  
      Then again, I don’t have any psychology training.  
      But then again, Bert’s behavior, especially the few scenes he was with Olivier (his roommate), shows far more awareness of people than Heather has shown on ANTM.  

      • vmcdanie

        Heather was one of my fave ANTM contestants ever. This was before I quit watching to protest Tyra being such an asshole to fragile young women and never looked back.

        BTW, I’m Aspie too and it can be a very individual condition. Now that they are talking of chucking the condition in the new DSM and making us all autistic, things will get even more confused. 

    • Anonymous

      I agree.  ALthough as someone who does this type of work, I could tell there was a LOT of editing going on in that runway judges critique sequence. Case in point: When Bert jumped up and down with his hands in the air what we HEARD was them criticizing Anthony’s dress..which really looked bad and dramatic…but what I suspect is that if we heard it live that was the point in which he was being praised for having the best dress out of the collection. This episode was manipulated from back to front for the highest amount of drama.

    • Anonymous

      He does not fit the definition for Asperger syndrome.  Aspies are unaware of other’s emotions and lack empathy for their peers because of this.  It’s not that they choose to be unaware, they simply don’t process this part of the social interaction at all.  They often have a hard time understanding body language and social cues and as a result can be confused by them, and sometimes lash out.  Bert is most definitely NOT an Aspie.  Bert clearly understands that his peers are offended and upset by his behavior.  He also has demonstrated that he not only picks up on body language and unspoken social cues, but he also uses them to wage emotional and psychological warfare on the other designers.  He is just an asshole.  

      • Anonymous

        You might be right, Kelly. I said from the beginning that an armchair diagnosis is just what it is: Just more chat and not actually psychiatry. I watch PR with my Aspie son. We both thing that Bert is Aspie-type, which isn’t as extreme as a standard textbook definition. The DSM allows for a lot of variability in the number and intensity of the symptoms.

        My son and I both recognize many Aspie features in Bert (failure to make eye contact, lack of awareness of social space, not noticing who is sitting next to him, rigidity about facts). We also recognize that he sometimes seems quite neurotypical. It’s not like I’m handing him meds.

        I don’t see him picking up on social cues. I see someone whose eye contact and social interactions have been so bad from day one that by the 2nd challenge no one wants to work with him or befriend him. I see someone whom everyone says they don’t “get.” I see someone who was sitting so close to Olivier on the couch they were actually touching and he thought Olivier was on the runway. I see someone who couldn’t understand why an argument over Elizabethan versus Victorian wasn’t going to move the design process forward.

        And again, I could be wrong.

    • http://twitter.com/RocknLox Khadijah James

      I think you misspelled “Aspie” you meant to write: Asshole.

    • http://profiles.google.com/melantha.chimera Eileen Duffy

       My son is Asperger’s, and I know many Aspies.  They are not mean; they are oblivious to the effect that their comments and actions can have on others.

      Bert is an asshole, and he knows it.  Please do not insult those on the spectrum by comparing them to him.

      • Anonymous

        Eileen, I may be wrong, but my son, too, is Aspie, and we have discussed Bert in depth many times. He agrees with me.

    • Anonymous

      Dun over complicate it. Hes a drunk without a program

    • Anonymous

      I think it’s the alcoholism, not that he has Asperger’s.  As someone who grew up around alcoholics, for me, the giveaway is his lying.  The addicts I have known frequently resort to lying in order to get sympathy and to get their way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/yanneng Yan Neng

    I agree absolutely. I hate Bert. He’s definitely the villian here this episode, along with Joshua.

  • Karen O’Hara

    I’m surprised

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMIFZ6A7BHP66M546AO77BWVQ4 Bonnie

      The first impressions of these two from the first episdoe have certainly changed.  Bert had a lot of goodwill after that episode, which he has just pissed away. 

      • Anonymous

        And my impression of Bert has done a nosedive since ep 1. I cheered him on as a member of the Boomer generation, and was glad that he won the first challenge. But between his attitude and his dated clothing and dated vernacular (‘hose” really? What is he, 80?), I’ve been over Bert for a few weeks now.

        Still feeling a bit bitter about Danielle’s aufing, I’m still wondering just why Bert’s outfit was applauded by the judges. Sure the others on his team were horrible, but if you stand up his lame ass work week after week and look at this boring outfit, how is his work that good? Does Bert really stand up to the ‘do we want to see more of him?’ test? What more is there to see?

        • Anonymous

          I winced at “hose” also, but Lady Gaga and others are bringing them back…they may not be “now” but they certainly seem to be “the next thing” as the Duchess would say.  It doesn’t surprise me, as social trends tend to get more conservative when the economic times are uncertain.  All I know is I’m glad I live in AZ where it’s too hot to wear “hose” 90% of the year, because you couldn’t pay me to wear ‘em.

          • Anonymous

            I thought we had discussed the return of hose a few times here at least, and I don’t even get around to reading too many of the non-PR/MenMen posts.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, maybe the Bitter Kittens can stop calling her Blenley – that would be a start!  (obviously sensitive about her actual name!)

      • Anonymous

        Agreed. It doesn’t fit. And there are several people here who don’t even know her real name.

         Plus, I’m of the opinion that nicknames should be used sparingly. “Angry LIttle Peanut” and “Princess Puffy Sleeves” are rather brilliant. But I don’t think everyone needs a damn nickname. I hated all the variations on Gretchen’s name.

    • Anonymous

      My evolving narrative for Laura is that she’s a genuinely nice person who suffers on TV from the massive privilege inherent in growing up hot*, white and solidly (upper?)middle class.
      She’s just un-aware and slightly dim enough to think “are you speaking foreign?” is a funny ice breaker instead of casually xenophobic.

      *tastes will vary obviously but she fits the beauty myth.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

        She’s upper class, no middle about it. The way she talked about doing serious shopping since she was “single digits” makes it clear. Either that or she’s poor and desperate to make sure that nobody knows it.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          If we’re getting into class terms, she seems more nouveau riche than upper class–upper class tends not to brag about money (how gauche, dear).  (Miss Manners, in one book or another, describes upper class snobbishness by pointing out that they once referred to the nouveau riche as “the sort who bought their own silver”… eg, did not, properly, inherit it.)

          Either way, Laura seems a lot nicer than she did at first.

          • Anonymous

            Apropos of nothing, a number of decades ago in the UK, there was a Conservative MP of the old-fashioned squirearchy sort who derisively referred to someone in Parliament as the sort who had to buy their own furniture (meaning, of course, that they didn’t inherit antiques) – and received a prompt riposte from a bona-fide Baron for being the sort who had to buy his own castle.

          • Anonymous

            I would have LOVED to hear that exchange. British put-downs in parliament are the stuff of legends.

          • Anonymous

            I would have LOVED to hear that exchange. British put-downs in parliament are the stuff of legends.

          • Anonymous

            I would have LOVED to hear that exchange. British put-downs in parliament are the stuff of legends.

        • Anonymous

          I admit I have no idea what Neiman Marcus prices are like. I just know that, especially with credit cards, middle class goes higher up than I generally assume, so I tend to round down when I’m being classicist. 

    • Anonymous

      I think the producers early on were trying to set Blenley up as the villian of the piece — remembering how effective the original was in the role — so she got a lot of seriously manipulative editing.
      Once Bert showed his true colours they didn’t need her anymore so she’s getting a more natural edit and coming off much more talented and likeable.

    • Anonymous

      I think the producers early on were trying to set Blenley up as the villian of the piece — remembering how effective the original was in the role — so she got a lot of seriously manipulative editing.
      Once Bert showed his true colours they didn’t need her anymore so she’s getting a more natural edit and coming off much more talented and likeable.

  • Anonymous

    Bert’s such a dick. Which means he’ll be a finalist.

  • Lisa Stephenson

    I don’t understand how Bert thinks he can have a career in fashion without ever having to deal with someone younger than him.  I’m over him.

    • http://twitter.com/TMamBo Therese Bohn

       It’s like Bert Cooper said in S1 of Mad Men “I have to stop hiring young people”.  They say with age come wisdom, but this  Bert has no tolerance or compassion for any of his younger teammates.  He thinks he’s better than all of them, and willing to lie to make himself look better. I hope he and Josh are kicked out soon.

      • Anonymous

        Speaking as a person almost as old as Bert, usually wisdom comes with age, but you don’t have to be mean about it.  Particularly in a creative field, the “kids” might have some great, fresh design ideas, and Bert would do himself some favors and soak up the youth and enthusiasm.  Obviously, he is not interested in anything other than Bert.  I was a big fan early on (being an old fart myself), but his behavior on the runway was awful and embarassing…just like TLo said!

    • Now I am The Bee

      Since Bert hasn’t worked in fashion for sometime, I’d say he WAS one of the younger ones back when he was working at Halston. 

  • http://twitter.com/silkandskin Ben B.

    I agree with everything in this post. From the beginning of the season I’ve been sceptical of Bert (even getting a Cesar from The Fashion Show vibe from him) but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    But as the season goes on, he’s shown himself to be a belligerent old fool who has serious issues working with anyone. If he had created consistently good garments this would be less of an issue, but save the first week, he’s yet to create anything as good as 60% of the designers remaining.

    The way he acted on the runway is inexcusable, no matter how old you are, or how much experience you have.

    Hopefully he doesn’t have much longer on the show.

    • muzan-e

      Y’know, I was actually reminded of both Cesar and Calvin from The Fashion Show – initially. Except that by now?

      I remember those points during TFS at which both Cesar and Calvin were actively teaching the designers they were teamed with. How to treat a fabric in order to produce a particular, lovely effect; how to piece a particular style of look together in a big damn hurry. And for the most part, they weren’t even flaunting their superiority during it; they were good, productive teachers.

      I kept waiting for that moment from Bert: his realisation of what he can contribute here. Right now, I strongly suspect it’ll never come.

      • Anonymous

        I still think Calvin was an ass and it overshadowed whatever efforts he put forward to help his fellow designers. Cesar, ONTH, was a bit into himself as the veteran, but he truly seemed to care, was giving and was more asset than ass to his younger teammates.

        Bert? Just an old asshole.

      • Anonymous

        I never got a mean, bitter vibe from Cesar.

      • Anonymous

        Yes. I think Bert is too caught up in his own scripts and/or just too self-centered for it to occur to him to teach.

  • http://twitter.com/thedogsmother thedogsmother

    I read someplace that when you abuse alcohol you stop your emotional development. Looks like Bert stopped at age 13.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

      That isn’t true. 

    • Anonymous

      That’s true.

      –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      That’s true.

      –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      My emotional development stopped at about age 5 and I haven’t abused alcohol or drugs….

    • Anonymous

       It is true that your emotional development stops when alcohol/drug abuse begins.

  • Anonymous

    When, Ms. “I completely like forgot like my agent like  booked me this gig so like I had to roll out of bed and like hail a cab all like in five minutes”, Erin Wasson, stated that the model wearing Anthony Ryan’s get-up had to be feeling sad and disappointed, I kinda wanted to say well, actually I did say/shouted at the television screen, STFU! Before I even go into what a piece of crapness mess this was…”the model must had felt sad and disappointed to have to wear this doo doo”?? Am I wrong, but isn’t that the exact job description of a model? To wear whatever crappola is thrown at you and to work it like its your favorite  corner. I was too through with Ms. E. Wasson. Although, not only did Anthony  design a pretty sad,depressing garbage bag romper, he managed to also style his model with same motif. WTF is going on with the oily looking hair and no make-up?! She does look sad  and depressed. Poor thang, I just wanted to hug her and reassure her that Anthony would  be “dealt” with ( I would lock him in a room alone with Ms. Bert for an hour) for making her wear this cray cray camel toe/ass psycho baby romper.  So, Ms. E. Wasson I take what I said back, you were right in your sad/depressed assessment.  I stand corrected…this time. Ooooh,  do me a fav, wash your hair and ditch the P.J.’s.  
    Girlfriend, I don’t know you from nothing, but I know you’re better than this! Own, that you’re pretty, blessed with great genes and do better than this, it is an insult to mere mortels.

  • Anonymous

    Thus proving that first impressions can be so misleading. I was ready to adopt Bert after the first episode, with his backstory and his seemingly low-key personality. Wow, was I wrong! What a jerk he turned into. I’m not sure that hand-holding and buttering him up would really help, though. He seems determined to be an asshole.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

      “First impressions” are ALWAYS misleading.  Remember that and you won’t ever be disappointed in others - or yourself.  That person you write off as an asshole may just have a cold or have just lost their mate or some other event so to assume the first impression is the one that counts is just being wasteful.   

    • Anonymous

      I was ready to love him, and I like you I was shocked at what an ass he turned out to be. His story intrigued me and I had high hopes for him.  Disappointing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.f.tulloch William F Tulloch

    I agree with you 1000% on Bert. I was all poised to like him, given his backstory and that this is really a second chance for him, but no more. He is the worst kind of bitter queen and I can’t wait to see him gone. When his model turned on the runway, I thought “sh*t, he’s the only one who made a decent look” so there was no way he was going to go. Too bad. Anthony and Laura may have dismissed him immediately, but he dismissed the challenge even before that. Any team that got him was bound to fail. 

    I think Bert’s bad attitude is having an impact on every one of the other designers. Take a look at the color palettes on the runway – it’s like the whole cast needs an SSRI dumped in their morning coffee. 

    • Anonymous

      But didn’t Anthony and Laura kind of dismiss him first by rejecting his sketches outright while they were still at the Armory and then his request for jersey fabric for his top?  And even back in the workroom, when they asked him what he thought about Laura’s top, he said that he didn’t like it and I think Laura immediately said “I like it”.  Well, the judging kind of validated the opinion they blew off.

    • MilaXX

      Imo other than the firt challenge Bert has dismissed every challenge & simply made his version of a pretty dress.

    • Anonymous

      That is hilarious:  ”SSRI dumped in the morning coffee.”  LOVE IT

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.f.tulloch William F Tulloch

    I agree with you 1000% on Bert. I was all poised to like him, given his backstory and that this is really a second chance for him, but no more. He is the worst kind of bitter queen and I can’t wait to see him gone. When his model turned on the runway, I thought “sh*t, he’s the only one who made a decent look” so there was no way he was going to go. Too bad. Anthony and Laura may have dismissed him immediately, but he dismissed the challenge even before that. Any team that got him was bound to fail. 

    I think Bert’s bad attitude is having an impact on every one of the other designers. Take a look at the color palettes on the runway – it’s like the whole cast needs an SSRI dumped in their morning coffee. 

  • jeneria

    Amen!  Bert is incredibly unlikeable and I’ve stopped rooting for him. 

    I’m bummed at how poorly Anthony has been doing the last couple of weeks.  I want to root for him since he’s an alum of LSU (as am I) but I’m beginning to think he’s lost the plot. 

    I can’t make heads or tails of this season and I’m really displeased with the lack of designing.  Part of it is the challenges, sure, but part of it is that this group of designers are playing it way too safe.

    • Anonymous

      YES! “I can’t make heads or tails of this season and I’m really displeased with the lack of designing.” — I can’t think of a single garment that I’ve really liked, or a designer I’m really (or even kinda) cheering for. No one’s work is standing out AT ALL. They’re using ugly-as-sin fabrics and making hiddy clothing, in bizarre/foolish/ill-conceived challenges. What is going on?

      • Anonymous

        Yes, yes, and YES! This season is just… horrible. Horrendous. Horrifying. But mostly, in terms of clothes, utterly ugly and boring :(

      • Anonymous

        Yes, yes, and YES! This season is just… horrible. Horrendous. Horrifying. But mostly, in terms of clothes, utterly ugly and boring :(

        • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

          Wow. I was thinking that it was just because I’m a mid fiftyish fart and I just didn’t get the clothes at all.  I’ve been appalled at the lack of workmanship and the referential or just plain lousy design work.  Now I know I’m not totally wacked.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I totally agree. I started watching PR during Season 7 and the quality of the work was so much higher. 

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

         Have you gone back and watched some of the earlier seasons? Seasons 4 and 5 are just boatloads of fun, especially in comparison to the dour and crude attitude that this season seems to have. Even without the comparisons, they’re great points in the show’s history.

        • Anonymous

          I haven’t, but I plan to. I was really impressed with that Mila and Emelio (did I get that right?) were able to produce–I didn’t always like it, but it was very professional, very finished work. The stuff I’ve seen thus far all blends together and most of it looks like dishrags. 

    • Anonymous

      I have to agree also.  As I think back over previous seasons, I can clearly recall garments – Andre’s oily puddle dress, Jay’s Chrysler Building dress, even the angry lil’ peanut’s couture dress.  Most of what Laura did was memorable, and what can I say about Chris March and Christian Soriano’s gown with the wonderful collar?  (BTW, could’t remember Chris’ name in an aphasic moment, so I googled “huggy bear and Project Runway and his name popped up!  Just sayin’).  

      This season, I got nuthin’.  And if I have to hear that a piece is commercial and therefore salable again I am going to fall off the couch from getting dizzy rolling my eyes.  I can go to any mall and see salable.  Let’s see some cutting edge design.  

      • http://profiles.google.com/sara.e.munoz Sara Munoz

        Yes, where is the FASHION? There is nothing remarkable. IMO the most memorable look so far has been Becky & Kimberley’s stiltwalker costume. And since the bar is so low, there is no motivation for the designers to really step it up. Disappointing.

    • http://palimpsest.typepad.com/frogsandravens Rana

      Agreed.  I commented on this when I was watching it – none of these designers seems at all hungry.  It’s like PR is just a line to add on the resume, not a make-it-or-break-it chance for anyone. 

      I don’t think the ridiculous time constraints help, either.  It’s hard enough to make a decently constructed garment within those limits, let alone think creatively.

  • http://twitter.com/Juliaismagic Julia

    I can’t STAND Bert. I know I’m of the younger set, but he was sniping at his team on the runway and belittling their outfits. They did the same to his, but again that comes from them being defensive because he’s been super rude the whole time and no one knows how to deal with him. I agree with the comment before mine that he’s making himself the victim, which you can’t really do when you’re actively pulling typical mean-kid-in-the-playground moves on other people. I’ve not been a fan of his since he fucked up the pet store challenge. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve never understood the Bertasaur love. Any designer who would make a model wear his used underwear as part of a garment is plain old nasty. 

    • Anonymous

      Well, I’m no Bert apologist, but he had no choice on the boxers!  That’s all squarely on the challenge.  “Don’t put it on me, girl!”

  • Anonymous

    TLo said: You learn pretty quickly how to placate someone like that in order to get something out of them and avoid a lot of drama.

    The above is the reason I defended Burt.  I have worked with many Berts’s in my life and all you can do is figure how to get what you need out of them.  The team leader could not do this.  Bert is to seet in his ways and hardened to change.  Age has nothing to do with it.  I have meet 30 year olds as bad or worse than Bert. The other team members new this going in and knew he is difficult.  Unfortunately they did not have the choice to ignore him.

    Give me Bert.  I could work with Bert.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

      I totally agree with this.  It would have been laughably easy to get him on their side, to bring him in, and let him feel valued. Instead, they shut him out, and when he went to do his own thing, they criticized it, then went on to make two shitastic looks AND try to blame him for their failures.  What did they expect, that he would calmly lay under the bus for them when Anthony made possibly the ugliest garment ever?  How in the world could that have been Bert’s fault?  Bert’s only wrong in this was cheering out loud when they got their well-deserved smackdown.  Cheer silently next time, Bert.  I was.

      • Anonymous

        I have to admit, as much as I thought Bert acted like an idiot on the runway, when the judges were trashing Anthony and Laura’s designs, I did have to say to myself, “karma’s a bitch”! Anthony walked right into Heidi’s set-up, when she asked if he liked Bert’s design before telling him what the judges thought.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

      I totally agree with this.  It would have been laughably easy to get him on their side, to bring him in, and let him feel valued. Instead, they shut him out, and when he went to do his own thing, they criticized it, then went on to make two shitastic looks AND try to blame him for their failures.  What did they expect, that he would calmly lay under the bus for them when Anthony made possibly the ugliest garment ever?  How in the world could that have been Bert’s fault?  Bert’s only wrong in this was cheering out loud when they got their well-deserved smackdown.  Cheer silently next time, Bert.  I was.

  • Anonymous

    Good post. At least Anthony owned up to his work being a piece of crap immediately rather than try to defend it at all. And I felt the same way about their reactions to Bert. I have Bert-like people in my family and work life, and trust me, the only way to deal with them is to placate them. Any, and I mean ANY bit of disagreement and suddenly you’re the most evil person in the world and not worth the time of day. I’m like you guys, stuck in the middle between Boomer and millenial (and what are we called? X? I never knew). Anyway, they just had no experience in how to deal. So, so, glad you had THAT quote to start the post. Summed up Bert completely. These people are too far beneath him to even warrant knowing their names.

    • Anonymous

      I, too, have someone in my life like this, but I am done placating him. It’s a short-term solution only, a band-aid on a gunshot wound. In the end, the behavior doesn’t change. Because he refuses to get therapy and his insecurities and immaturity only grow in strength. He intimidates and bullies others, sometimes passive-aggressively, sometimes downright aggressively. Placating bullies is not the answer.

      • http://phdoula.blogspot.com Rebecca

        But what these two needed was a short-term solution – as long as they don’t work with him on a team challenge again (and there can only be so many), they needed to get through a single day and three outfits.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, I agree in this case, and I see that they could have handled the situation differently. This is where their inexperience working with someone like Bert showed.

      • Anonymous

        I have always called this “walking on eggshells”. It’s very stressful to deal with people for whom you have to frame every conversation in your mind ahead of saying something, rather than the easy give and take of spontaneous exchanges, always worrying if they will take something “the wrong way,” no matter how innocently intended. God forbid real criticism. In a design competition where criticism is part of the game, Bert is way out of his comfort zone, and no matter what excuses he gives himself, or what the correct diagnosis is of his medical condition or what his personal history is, I think we are seeing the results of behavior that, while attractive to producers for the drama, is extremely abusive both to Bert and the other designers.

      • Anonymous

        I have always called this “walking on eggshells”. It’s very stressful to deal with people for whom you have to frame every conversation in your mind ahead of saying something, rather than the easy give and take of spontaneous exchanges, always worrying if they will take something “the wrong way,” no matter how innocently intended. God forbid real criticism. In a design competition where criticism is part of the game, Bert is way out of his comfort zone, and no matter what excuses he gives himself, or what the correct diagnosis is of his medical condition or what his personal history is, I think we are seeing the results of behavior that, while attractive to producers for the drama, is extremely abusive both to Bert and the other designers.

  • Anonymous

    Someone wants to show Heidi the footage of Bert in the workroom. Her insistence on Anthony going, I felt, was mostly “But he was mean to Bert!” more than anything else….   

    • Anonymous

      She hasn’t noticed that she’s darn near demonized everyone who has worked with Bert, which should be a clue to her to at least take a step back, breathe, and realize maybe something is amiss.

    • Anonymous

      No, it was because he had the worst piece of crap on the runway.   Of course, it was all a load of dreck, but his was the worst by a long shot.  No way he should have stayed, even if he was the nicest person in the whole damn pack.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1214755227 Meira Niibori

        Meh, the fact that the runway was full of dreck should have been a BIG clue that the challenge was awful to begin with.  This isn’t he best crop of designers ever, but that should result in a lot of blah, not this strange all-over-the-place mess.  And no matter what Heidi wants to tell herself, of COURSE the judging is cumulative – and it always has been – and so I can definitely see a strong argument for getting rid of Danielle, who’s produced a series of sloppy, droopy, almost-the-same-color-and-style chiffon blouses, over Anthony, who’s at least produced some good stuff thus far, and who at least demonstrated some self-awareness and taste when he admitted that he got caught up in the battle with Bert and produced dreck.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t think the challenge itself was awful. It’s not a brilliant challenge, but “Make something to go with a pair of sneakers” isn’t bad. It could have and should have jump started the designers’ creativity and sense of proportion. The problem was that Heidi’s instructions were vague, and no one was on the same page. It was the same problem that occurred with the Stilts challenge, and the Jackie Kennedy Onassis challenge from last season. What a clusterfuck that was.

          • http://profiles.google.com/rosatcollege Ros Clarke

            I agree, I think it could have been a really good challenge.  It pushed the contestants to design casual clothes and use specific materials.  I just think that the running (WORST IDEA EVER) and the team element were completely wrong for this challenge.  It didn’t need to be collections.  And yes, the design brief could have been clearer.

  • http://twitter.com/lbcubbison Laurie Cubbison

    Speaking as someone in your generation, I think you’re right on here about the generation gap here, esp. that these two don’t have the work experience of dealing with cranky people from another generation. In fact, I can point to at least a handful of people I’ve worked with over the years who are just like him. I’ve also noticed his tendency on the runway to reframe his interactions with his team to put the blame all on them in not altogether truthful ways.

    Can anyone remember if these two are among the self-trained designers? I’m wondering how much effect a design school background has on people’s ability to work well with others.

    • BuffaloBarbara

      I’m in that generation, too (Gen X, 13th Gen… they’ve never really given us a name that stuck, have they?).  I think we’ve had a lot of occasion to watch the Boomers and Millennials interacting from the sidelines.  When they work together, they’re scary effective.  When they’re on opposite sides?  This is the perfect example, isn’t it?  The Boomer taking the “I am right and you are wrong, period” business; the Millennials responding by being clique-ish and exclusionary.  (Becky, of course, did what we do-”Whatever–the challenge will be over soon, and I’ll get back to my business.”)

  • http://profiles.google.com/misslauraschultz Laura Schultz

    “They marginalized him immediately and rejected his ideas too quickly. Worse, they argued with him and that’s not something you ever want to do with a person who argues with everyone about everything. Someone like Bert needs a little bullshitting and hand-holding.”
    Not to mention they were actually WRONG and probably would have done better to listen to him just a little because he wasn’t entirely wrong about their choices, in spite of being a total ass. Their outfits were MUCH worse than his and that fabric was a bad choice. The fact that they sucked so bad is going to make this drama worse because now Bert is going to be even MORE of a monster, feeling justified now. 

    • Anonymous

      Yes, the fabric choice!  When they pulled that doo-doo out of the bins at Mood I thought there wasn’t a chance they could make anything at all desirable.  It must have been thinking of Heidi’s fugly outfit at the running track and thinking they should find something more fugly for their looks.  ick!

      • Anonymous

        Heidi’s outfit kinda fucked people up this week. The print from Team Beauty Queen, this one, and I got the sense from Victors team too that they were keeping it in mind.

        • Anonymous

          The watercolor brushstroke fabric makes sense to me, considerimg her outfit and her request for complements to denim and suede to coordinate with her shoes.  Yuck, those shoes are ugly!

  • Anonymous

    I completely agree with you.  Bert has issues, and I will enjoy this season so much better once he is gone.  He is a liar, and for some reason, the judges seem to believe him over everyone else….smh.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you that Bert was nasty. However, I think this sentence a little bit dangerous:”common sense tells us when everyone in a group dislikes one member,
    chances are there’s something amiss with that one member’s behavior and
    personality.” Sometimes bullying is just bullying. There are group dynamics and suddenly someone is the odd one out although there is nothing especially wrong with them. Or sometimes people get disliked for things like: they are poor, they are gay, they are overweight. I think that you are right in this example, that Bert really is very difficult to work and live with, but I would never, ever write that sentence.

    • Pennymac

      I seem to recall episodes from last season where all the designers were on the Michael-Costello-can’t-sew-hate-bandwagon including our beloved Mondo. With the spurious Lifetime editing, who really knows the truth? 

      • Helen C

        And Mondo learned Michael C wasn’t that bad after they teamed up for a challenge.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24URKJGBLJQPBWCRPU37IIHLU Krab Louse

      Sweetie, don’t make it about you.

    • ashley d

      You’re right: that is a dangerous line to tread

    • ashley d

      You’re right: that is a dangerous line to tread

    • Anonymous

      Agreed.  Editing can really manipulate.  And Lifetime/B-M LOVE to make the more mature generations the bad guys.  It’s easy to edit a more mature, opinionated person (who’s been around long enough to not want to put up with a lot, which can come across as intolerant, for better or for worse) look like an asshole. There have probably been studies done with focus groups that show more negative reactions to older people on TV vs. younger people, as much as I hate to say it.  

    • Anonymous

      Such a great point!  We saw the same dynamic last year with Michael C., and a lot of people said,”There must be a reason that everyone hates Michael C.,”  “It has to be his fault,” etc., etc.  Well, there may be a reason certain people are unappealing, but there is no reason to marginalize them and be completely dismissive of them.

      Generally, if you make people feel validated and respected, they’ll treat you well.  Bert seems like a pissy old curmudgeon, but there are much more productive ways to deal with him than to ostracize him and exclude him right out of the gate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1214755227 Meira Niibori

      I don’t disagree with you, or anyone else, in saying that that line is a bit dangerous as-is.  However, in this specific circumstance – a group of strangers, not all of whom get along themselves, all agree that there are specific things about Bert that are difficult to deal with, such as the mumbling, the stubbornness and condescension, and the tendency to rewrite events to paint himself in a better light on the runway (much of which has been shown to us, and stuff like the mumbling and rewriting history can’t really be created with editing, although it can be exaggerated) – I think it is fair to say at this point that Bert IS a difficult person, for whatever reason(s).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1214755227 Meira Niibori

      I don’t disagree with you, or anyone else, in saying that that line is a bit dangerous as-is.  However, in this specific circumstance – a group of strangers, not all of whom get along themselves, all agree that there are specific things about Bert that are difficult to deal with, such as the mumbling, the stubbornness and condescension, and the tendency to rewrite events to paint himself in a better light on the runway (much of which has been shown to us, and stuff like the mumbling and rewriting history can’t really be created with editing, although it can be exaggerated) – I think it is fair to say at this point that Bert IS a difficult person, for whatever reason(s).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1214755227 Meira Niibori

      I don’t disagree with you, or anyone else, in saying that that line is a bit dangerous as-is.  However, in this specific circumstance – a group of strangers, not all of whom get along themselves, all agree that there are specific things about Bert that are difficult to deal with, such as the mumbling, the stubbornness and condescension, and the tendency to rewrite events to paint himself in a better light on the runway (much of which has been shown to us, and stuff like the mumbling and rewriting history can’t really be created with editing, although it can be exaggerated) – I think it is fair to say at this point that Bert IS a difficult person, for whatever reason(s).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1214755227 Meira Niibori

      I don’t disagree with you, or anyone else, in saying that that line is a bit dangerous as-is.  However, in this specific circumstance – a group of strangers, not all of whom get along themselves, all agree that there are specific things about Bert that are difficult to deal with, such as the mumbling, the stubbornness and condescension, and the tendency to rewrite events to paint himself in a better light on the runway (much of which has been shown to us, and stuff like the mumbling and rewriting history can’t really be created with editing, although it can be exaggerated) – I think it is fair to say at this point that Bert IS a difficult person, for whatever reason(s).

    • Anonymous

      It’s true, sometimes bullying is bullying – but I don’t get the idea that every one of the other designers are bully material.  Clinique absolutely, Bryce yes.   And I think Anya is a sneak.  But Bert’s “runway glee” was something deeply troubling to me.  I think many of these folks have personality – um – dynamics.   I just have to say that while you can’t definitively say “if everyone hates him, there’s something wrong with him” you also can’t ignore something unusual:  Everyone doesn’t like Bert.   I am intensely curious as to why that is.

  • Stephanie Labbe

    I’m so disappointed in Bert. I really thought he was going to be a favorite of mine but I’ve changed my mind.  Everyone gets one day of grumpy but he’s just mean and can’t play well with others. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karlbenj Karl Benjamin Fajardo

    People are still on the episode 1 Bert love train? Ugh.

  • http://heartprintandstyle.blogspot.com Vivi N

    Bert is killing…me…softly. And not in a good way. There are some thoughts that you keep to yourself. The ‘not remembering someone’s name because they are not significant’ part? Yeah, keep it to yourself. 
    For some odd reason, I’m still rooting for him. Usually, when someone’s that much of a bitch/prick/asshole, I dismiss them immediately. But some force that I can’t explain is still allowing me to root for this guy to go long in the competition. Weird.

    • Anonymous

      I do think many of us are still “rooting for him” only in the sense that we would love to see him blossom with a major attitude adjustment. 

    • Anonymous

      How many times am I allowed to Like this??? “Yeah, keep it to yourself.”

      Word.

  • Diane_Chambers

    Ah, yes, visionary designers never come from the midwest.  I’m sure that attitude took Bert a long way at Bill Blass (given Blass was born in Fort Wayne) and Halston (since he was from Des Moines). Who needs to read up on his fashion history this week?

  • Anonymous

    I felt so manipulated this week. Obviously Bert was unreasonable and showed inexcusable behavior on the runway, yet the judges ignored it, or it was edited out. An obvious ploy to keep us watching until he gets what’s coming to him. Infuriating!

    • http://joyouslifesf.wordpress.com Kiltdntiltd

      Well it is after all an UN-reality show.  Everything we see and here should be viewed through the filter of “What is going to make viewers want to watch more?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1303837450 Lauren Dorsee Dillon

    I was all ready to climb on the Team Bert bandwagon in the beginning, knowing that the youngsters would marginalize him and view him as over the hill. Then, he has to show himself as the complete rude asshole that he is. He’s downright mean. I dislike him more than any recent designer in memory and that’s saying something. 

    Also, I love Anthony Ryan with the power of a thousand suns. I want to make him chicken soup and read him a bedtime story and tell him everything is going to be all right. AR, show them nice guys don’t always finish last!

    • Anonymous

      I second that! I love Anthony Ryan. What a sweetheart. I’ll make him some brownies.

      • Anonymous

        Yep, me too. I think he’s adorable. It pained me to see what he sent out on the runway this week, and to say anything bad about how he treated Bert.

        I’ll gladly make him some lasagna. If we keep this up, he’s going to have an entire gaggle of women at his home, feeding him a 12 course meal.

        • Anonymous

          I think I can even see his vision in that failed romper, it just did not come together.  At all.  If I squint and use my imagination, what I think he intended it to be is something I’d love to buy.  It was the perfect thing to work out in, dressed up with draping, but it didn’t drape. 

          • Anonymous

            I think he was going for a loose, flowy romper. Not my favorite type of clothing, but, for someone who likes them, it could work nicely for running around town or working out. And it would look cute with sneakers. Well, streamlined sneakers, anyway.  Heidi’s sneakers look heavy and clunky. (Does anyone remember in the 80s when it was fashionable to wear high top sneakers with little socks, a mini-skirt, and a flashdance-style t-shirt? So cute, but you had to be built like a model to pull it off.)

  • Anonymous

    Everything thing about this episode was depressing.
    The shoes, the fabrics, and the designers attitudes.

    I find myself watching old episodes on Style network with new appreciation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1374511853 Sara Yungwirth

      I totally second that. I was so happy when I found a season 1 marathon on Style network yesterday :) I miss the old days with designers like Jay McCarroll, Kara Saun, Laura Bennett, and even Santino…. because while Santino wasn’t the nicest guy, at least he was mean in a funny way! Bert is just mean in a nasty way. :(

    • Anonymous

      I know, really. A season one marathon is always a fabulous picker-upper if I’m feeling down.

    • Anonymous

      I try to catch them every week. I’ll watch them over and over. I never get tired of the women wrestler challenge. Chris March for the win!

      The only part I haven’t seen yet is the first half of season 5. I do wish Style would run an entire season at once. Even the first half one day and the second half the next would be OK.

  • AlwaysCoco

    Sorry, this post showed up multiple times

  • Anonymous

    What annoyed me the most was the fact that they didn’t need teams except to see who gets stuck with Bert.  Always last one picked and always snotty and unlikeable.

    • JillK

      And how unfair was it that Anthony got stuck with Bert when he was the 3rd place finisher?  Hissy Victor got to choose from 3 (or was it 4?) eliminated designers, any of whom Anthony would have chosen over Bert.  That made me mad.

    • JillK

      And how unfair was it that Anthony got stuck with Bert when he was the 3rd place finisher?  Hissy Victor got to choose from 3 (or was it 4?) eliminated designers, any of whom Anthony would have chosen over Bert.  That made me mad.

    • JillK

      And how unfair was it that Anthony got stuck with Bert when he was the 3rd place finisher?  Hissy Victor got to choose from 3 (or was it 4?) eliminated designers, any of whom Anthony would have chosen over Bert.  That made me mad.

      • Anonymous

        Hey, you’re right!  With all the other strum und drang (as someone perfectly recalled Tim’s pet phrase earlier in the comments) that got totally overlooked!  I don’t think it would have been any fairer to give the pick to the footrace winner, Josh, because the footrace is so irrelevant in itself.  Just a mess!

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I didn’t even think of that. All teams should be selected by using the dreaded velvet bag. They could name the previous challenge winners as team captains, but team members should be selected via the bag. It’s the only fair way.

          Can you picture Michael Kors creating teams by making his designers run around a track? Huh, actually I can imagine him doing it. :)

    • JillK

      And how unfair was it that Anthony got stuck with Bert when he was the 3rd place finisher?  Hissy Victor got to choose from 3 (or was it 4?) eliminated designers, any of whom Anthony would have chosen over Bert.  That made me mad.

    • JillK

      And how unfair was it that Anthony got stuck with Bert when he was the 3rd place finisher?  Hissy Victor got to choose from 3 (or was it 4?) eliminated designers, any of whom Anthony would have chosen over Bert.  That made me mad.

  • Anonymous

    What was the point for Bert to participate in this show? showcase his talent and personality? I want to see those people who’d hire him after ALL THAT, he did everything in his power to NEVER get hired, or be around any normal person for any reason.  Such an ugly personality….

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1214755227 Meira Niibori

      I’m wondering that myself  at this point……………….

  • Anonymous

    Oh T Lo, I hate to think of you curled up on the sofa, whimpering over Anthony’s outfit.  There, there, boo-boo darlings, have some chamomile tea to soothe your nerves.

    Now, on to Bert.  I’m obviously not a psychoanalyst and not even close to an expert on addicts, but … from my side of the TV screen it appears that while he has his addiction uunder control he hasn’t worked through there are some psychological issues, maybe fro

  • AlwaysCoco

    When, Ms. “I completely like forgot like my agent like  booked me this gig so like I had to roll out of bed and like hail a cab all like in five minutes”, Erin Wasson, stated that the model wearing Anthony Ryan’s get-up had to be feeling sad and disappointed, I kinda wanted to say well, actually I did say/shouted at the television screen, STFU! Before I even go into what a piece of crapness mess this was…”the model must had felt sad and disappointed to have to wear this doo doo”?? Am I wrong, but isn’t that the exact job description of a model? To wear whatever crappola is thrown at you and to work it like its your favorite  corner. I was too through with Ms. E. Wasson. Although, not only did Anthony  design a pretty sad,depressing garbage bag romper, he managed to also style his model with same motif. WTF is going on with the oily looking hair and no make-up?! She does look sad  and depressed. Poor thang, I just wanted to hug her and reassure her that Anthony would  be “dealt” with ( I would lock him in a room alone with Ms. Bert for an hour) for making her wear this cray cray camel toe/ass psycho baby romper.  So, Ms. E. Wasson I take what I said back, you were right in your sad/depressed assessment.  I stand corrected…this time. Ooooh,  do me a fav, wash your hair and ditch the P.J.’s.  
    Girlfriend, I don’t know you from nothing, but I know you’re better than this! Own, that you’re pretty, blessed with great genes and do better than this, it is an insult to mere humans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

    I’m pretty sure that when Bert left the fashion industry his co-workers threw a party…the moment the door closed behind him.

  • Anonymous

    I am also having trouble remembering their names, but that’s because they aren’t being given the opportunity to show anything that might identify their taste or style.  Everything this year is a group challenge, a gimmick, or made from something other than textiles. This year’s show so far is about manufactured interpersonal drama, not fashion design. Of course, since I’m not on the show and living with these people 24/7, the expectation for my memory of names is a little lower than Bert’s, and his is the one name that we will all remember for many seasons to come because he is the biggest shithead ever to appear on television.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you. These contestants are competing in a silly game show this season. 

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I dare say ALL of us could remember our cast mates names if we were there.  I admit, I’m just a viewer, and they aren’t that important to me. ;-)

    • Anonymous

      NO KIDDING!  I am feeling exactly the same way!  They all blend together.  With the exception of Sneaky Anya and her Razor/Tank Dresses, the ‘style’ of everyone else is just a bad blur.   Remember that shy girl who made gorgeous coats one season?  Remember Leanne and her flappy structured bits?  Remember Uli and her flow-y colorful dresses?  These people all make sad things that do not stand out at all.   They have no consistent theme or style.  Do you think it’s because of the nature of the challenges or is it because they picks a crop of losers?  

  • Elena

    I really feel like doing some Tyra-style yelling at Bert. “Be quiet, Bert, be quiet! I was rooting for you! We were all rooting for you! And you turn around and act like a childish asshole.”

  • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

    Can’t believe Anthony was allowed to stay after having created that dreckitude.

    The thing about Bert is that he’s often right. He sure was in that episode.

    I miss when Magical Elves produced the show. When they produced it, it was at least occasionally about the clothes.

    • Anonymous

      That’s so true…it does seem like the fashion has been watered down a bit since Lifetime. 

    • http://twitter.com/ihatejoelkim Joel Kim Booster

      Bert wasn’t “right” so much as “less wrong.” His look was still shit, and in a stronger collection would’ve garnered far more criticism.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t get to watch this episode until this morning, but I couldn’t resist reading the posts and comments beforehand. With so many comments defending Bert, I came to the episode expecting to feel sorry for him but OH MY GOD, what an ass! He really and truly showed a repugnant bitchy side with that childish little cheer when Laura’s outfit was criticised. Gross. There’s no excuse for that.

    And Anthony’s outfit? Wowser. About as bad Bert’s attitude this episode.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1380079551 Marie Dees

    Speaking as someone from Bert’s generation, I just want to say — Bert acted like a total shit.

    Dude, you’ve had 5 decades to learn to work with other people and act like an adult. Yeah, I know, dealing with addiction, etc. etc. As the adult child of recovered alcoholic parents, let me say that you are still responsible for your actions. And you’re giving a whole generation a bad name.  

    I’m always around writers half my age in writing groups. They’re a lot of fun, and dude, we need them to keep us up on what’s new out there. And they need us for mature advice to deal with, well, people like you.   

    • Anonymous

      Wow!  Marie, I think you and I were separated at birth!  I could not agree more with every single thing you said, and I also grew up with alcoholism, so I get it.

      I’m sad because I had such high hopes for Bert, and he has been such a disappointment. I liked his designs, I liked the idea of someone who had suffered great pain and pulled himself up out of addiction going back to work, I liked what appeared to be his calm and gentle demeanor.  Instead, he turns out to be a viciously nasty, dismissive, rude person who doesn’t play well with others.  Maybe he has Aspberger’s, maybe not, but he’s clearly so isolated as a person that he can just sit all by his lonesome and dismiss and insult everyone around him–without even knowing them!  That’s a level of loneliness that scares me. 

      I still think AR should have gone home.  I don’t care how stressed he was from dealing with Bert–he dealt with him badly from the get-go, so it was his own fault. And that mess he created wasn’t worth creating. 

  • http://twitter.com/charlesqueerty Oh, Behave!

    Bitter, bitter, bitter Bertie. I know the type, and really he is only marginally work-with-able, because even after months of placating and compromising with him, he can still explode into a raving bitch (over some little thing) and undo all your patient work.

    He makes me sad, because this is a sort of thing that can happen to old queens when they aren’t properly cared for. His back story indicates that maybe there’s no one at home who’s properly cherishing and loving poor ol’ Bert. :(

    • Anonymous

      I think his long time partner died not long ago.

      • Anonymous

        I thought his story was, he lost his partner in the 80s when AIDS first struck and started drinking back then.  No?

  • Anonymous

    I would be curious to know how he fared at the fashion houses he worked for? Then again, it might only be partially instructive, as he was much younger and pre-unraveling and working for someone with clear authority over him. Still. I’m interested in what his reputation (personally and professionally) was inside the houses?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      I want to know that too.

  • Anonymous

    This has nothing to do with the topic, just wanted to let you know I am watching Suede on a public television sewing show, “Sew It All”.  He is still referring to himself in the third person.

    • Anonymous

      Hahahaha! Thank you so much for that. I was getting a bit depressed reading about Bert. Haven’t been cheering for him at all, but just so over his toxic presence on the show.

    • Anonymous

      Hahahaha! Thank you so much for that. I was getting a bit depressed reading about Bert. Haven’t been cheering for him at all, but just so over his toxic presence on the show.

    • Anonymous

      Oh my goodness. Of course he is. The most bizarre thing about him referring to “Suede” in the third person was that it seemed like he actually believed “Suede” was an entirely separate person, or at least another personality. It drove me crazy. But as weird as he was, thinking about him made me smile just now. He was harmless and kind of sweet, as I recall.

    • Anonymous

      Oh my goodness. Of course he is. The most bizarre thing about him referring to “Suede” in the third person was that it seemed like he actually believed “Suede” was an entirely separate person, or at least another personality. It drove me crazy. But as weird as he was, thinking about him made me smile just now. He was harmless and kind of sweet, as I recall.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. Agree with EVERYTHING you said about the Bert vs. Lauranthony showdown.  Totes! I am soooo over Bert. He is one of the biggest babies this show has ever seen.  Aren’t we always saying that mature adults should “know better”? I can only assume those who defend him are his contemporaries, who keep going on and on about supposed ageism. There have been many older designers on the show who were embraced be fellow contestants, the judges, and the blogs. Bert is just an asshole. And not a particularly talented one.

    I disagree that Bert’s was the best. His use of that print fabric was horrifically 90′s compared with Laura’s use. That and his Niki Taylor styling really took me back about 17 years. Take away Laura’s Middle Earth vest (and the unfortunate back of her top) and it was far more up-to-date than Bert’s. (It also went far better with the shoes.) Yes, those are design revisions, but I don’t see how Bert’s could be saved/updated almost a fifth of a century without a complete overhaul.

    Anythony Ryan’s was, unfortunately, the worst. He’s lucky he didn’t go home, because this most definitely was worse than Danielle’s, and probably the worst of the night except for maybe Joshua C’s. We’ll get to to him later. I don’t understand how Anthony messed the draping that badly. There is no structure in that thing, and it’s made with simple construction. He should have been able to fix that crotch nightmare easily. (Alththough I think it’s a bizarre idea for this challenge to begin with.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

    I’m certain that at Bill Blass and Halston he was an ass kisser and a back stabber.

  • http://jessieliz.wordpress.com/ Super Red

    Honestly, I liked Laura’s design. It was cute and definitely worked with sneakers. I would have preferred the vest in a different color to go with the rest of it, but overall it wasn’t too bad.

    Poor Anthony…. I don’t disagree with the decision to keep him, but dear lord that was awful. Just… awful.

    And Bert. Bert Bert Bert… … What does one do with a problem like Bert? His pieces were definitely weel made, but not only did they look like an admin asst on her way to work (assuming an admin asst could get away with that exact outfit… definitely couldn’t in MY office… But that styling! It looks like she’s on her way to go work for Murphy Brown. And then promptly be fired because she dressed a little too skanky. The pieces by themselves are nice, and the skirt, s you said, could work with the sneakers, but paired together with that styling…. I really don’t get the praise.

    And BERT! I wanted to love you. I really did. You seemed smart and cuddly in the first episode. I even forgave you the spats with Viktor because he was a hissing little brat, and you, welll, you WERE smarter than he was. Regardless, though, you’ve deoonstrated quite clearly that you don’t know how to behave as an adult. Thanks for breaking my heart their buddy.

    I need some SissyBear, stat!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kimberly-Burke/100002384493067 Kimberly Burke

    Bert is a pretentious douche without a scosh of class and the sooner he’s off my screen, the better. YMMV

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re right in pointing out that Laura &AnthonyRyan lack the experience to know how to handle Bert, but that’s where – I *think* – the generation/age issues end. Bert’s crap attitude and behavior has nothing to do with age, and neither does the crap attitude and behavior his teammates gave right back to him. I laugh, often, when I see 22-year-old designers go on and on about someone else’s childish behavior – it’s generally a sure sign to me, when ANYONE talks about someone else’s childishness, that that person is herself engaging in childish behavior. (Did that make any sense?)  And frankly, the most mature person on this season has been…um…er.  Kimberley? Who knows – they’ve all been spending way too much time giving the camera self-righteous outrage about each other’s childishness.
    Part of me wondered, when Bert let loose with the “I only remember the names of important people,” if he was trying to make a joke. He seems DREADFUL with names – he’s effed up a number of them so far. Can he really be that much of an un-self-aware asshat to say such a thing to a camera on national tv? *wow* if the answer is “Yes, he CAN be that much of an unself-aware asshat!”

    Either serious editing shenanigans are going on (more than usual, that is), or this season is just full of petty, snotty and/or clueless people with a dire lack of talent. Everyone seems to want to point out how childish someone else is, which speaks volumes about how childish they *all* are.

    Incidentally, it’s interesting you mention L &A look terrified of Bert.  I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he goes into a towering temper-tantrum rage when he gets actually angry. Not physically abusive of other people, but I could see him breaking dress forms or throwing shit around.

    • Anonymous

      Either serious editing shenanigans are going on (more than usual, that is), or this season is just full of petty, snotty and/or clueless people with a dire lack of talent. Everyone seems to want to point out how childish someone else is, which speaks volumes about how childish they *all* are.”

      I vote for serious producer/editing shenanigans are going on.  Very serious.  And that includes the possibility of casting people with less talen but more drama potential, than usual. 

  • muzan-e

    Spend a decade or two in the work force and you’ll meet more than your share of Berts. You learn pretty quickly how to placate someone like that in order to get something out of them and avoid a lot of drama. 

    Yes. Yes. And yes some more.

    On my first morning at my first really-real job, one of our writers took me aside and very quickly whispered something like: Watch out for the Editor. He’s been in the industry for years. He acts like it. He’s not an asshole! …  but he yells. He’s demanding. He wants everything his way. And on deadline day keep the hell out of his way.

    While our techs were trying to make my database function, a sub-boss asked me to please fix the godawful stacks of back issues piled up ‘over there’. Over there being in and around the Editor’s office.

    After a few moments, I remembered how to breathe.  

    I did it fast. I kept the hell out of his way while I was doing it. In his office, I straightened the piles of boxes that were threatening to topple and crush him where he sat. But I didn’t organise any, any of his stuff. The next six months were much the same: working around him when necessary, deferential but never grovelly, asking him sometimes – on quiet days – about his work.  He really had been in the job for years, and he liked talking about it – on quiet days.

    By the end of the year we had an excellent working relationship – by which I mean, we worked around each other, we didn’t interfere with each other’s work, and we both got what we wanted and needed.  It wasn’t a friendship, but it was good and it was fantastically productive.

    It’s just as you said: you can’t work with someone like that if you approach them with the certainty that they’re going to be a problem.  My Editor wasn’t a Bert: the generation gap was the same, the industry experience, the reputation – but he wasn’t petty, and he wasn’t petulant – except on deadline days, during which he was a screaming, stalking asshole.  But it was approaching him as a person that can be learned which worked.

    Along with the requisite bullshitting and handholding. *g*

  • Anonymous

    How much older is Bert than Peach? She managed to create strong connections and friendships last season, despite her age.  Perhaps because she has a sense of humor and is not totally closed off in a fog of mean-spirited superiority?

    • http://twitter.com/charlesqueerty Oh, Behave!

      Good point. Peach was 50 … proving it’s not about how old you are.

      • Anonymous

        I also liked Peach, but consider the radically different backgrounds:  she’s very upper class, he had the alcoholism and death of his partner at the height of the AIDS tragedy.  Different circumstances, and of course, different personalities. but hard to compare apples and oranges.

        • Anonymous

          Mothers can be maternal.

          • Anonymous

            But, not all are. Just sayin’

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      Peach is a nice ordinary suburban housewife sort, who happened to get on Project Runway and click as a character. Her entire life doesn’t revolve around the fashion industry and she’s not going to stab people in the back for advancement. As a result she didn’t win but she’s become a demi-celebrity, and better known than some of the winners.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      Peach is a nice ordinary suburban housewife sort, who happened to get on Project Runway and click as a character. Her entire life doesn’t revolve around the fashion industry and she’s not going to stab people in the back for advancement. As a result she didn’t win but she’s become a demi-celebrity, and better known than some of the winners.

    • Anonymous

      I was so upset when Peach was auf’d. I was hoping Bert would be this season’s Peach, just male. They both made the similar jokes about being “ancient” after all. What a disappointment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/teresaec Teresa Enright Campbell

    I haven’t read the comments, but am I the only one that sees Bert as a plant by the producers to give us all someone to make us holler at the television screen?  I mean, he looks like an actor. Possibly an actor with costume design background so he can sew.  Is her really a designer?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1344922354 Eric Scheirer Stott

      An outright lie like that would be dangerous. He supposedly went to Parsons and that could be verified. As to looking like an actor practically everyone on Project Runway is theatrical to some extent

    • Anonymous

      I’m sure Bert is who he is…because let’s not forget, every person in the cast is screened — cast for a REASON — not just from a creative/talent standpoint, by the judges and auditions and the “process” they let the viewers see, but also by a psych/personality profiling.  They take psych tests (like all reality TV cast hopefuls) which are evaluated by a shrink, who gives the results to the casting director, who presents it to the network and Mr. Murray (in this case).  Of *course* they are going to cast controversial personalities, and those who might even be borderline unstable!  That makes good TV.

      • Anonymous

        I am a psychologist.  I am interested in the psychological tests that reality hopefuls are given and am intensely curious about the person who evaluates them and reports to the casting director.  That is fascinating and sounds like a HELL of alot of fun!

  • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

    Agreed! Bert’s behavior has been horrible. He’s gone out of his way to be difficult to his teammate, but show his other face to Tim and the judges. I also noted that he refused to do the producer “play acting” by willfully ignoring the New Balance packages right before him. Perhaps he’ll quit this week and they can bring back Miss Horseblanket or El Debarge from the first challenge. Or the woman who cancelled her destination wedding before the contest really began. :P

    Yeah, Bert’s was the best up there (from that group), and Heidi proved that Yes You Can Wear My New Balance Sneakers With A Sequined Strapless Jumpsuit, so the formality of the outfit is almost a moot point. It’s too bad the youngsters focused more on trying to make Grumpy change his design instead of their own designs.

    Laura’s outfit was pretty horrible. My mom had a window valance that looked just like that bizarre vest. Perhaps that would look good in (can’t believe I’m saying it) a chiffon.

    Anthony’s was horrible. Like something that Bea Arthur would wear (over leggings) in an episode of The Golden Girls where the girls join a gym, although I’d hope the wardrobe person would not allow for Bea Arthur camel toe or camel butt.

    • Anonymous

      OMG Susan you made me snort my ice water with the Bea Arthur comment.  ”Bea Arthur camel toe.”  EEEK!

    • Anonymous

      Well, “Heidi proved that Yes You Can Wear My New Balance Sneakers With A Sequined Strapless Jumpsuit” only in the sense that it does not violate the laws of physics to have those DOWDY (yeah, I said it!) shoes on your feet while simultaneously having your upper body inside that unflattering sequined thing.  But let’s not pretend that was a good look.

      • Anonymous

        I want to “Like” this comment about a gazillion times.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=513945580 Megan Patterson

    That is a scary, evil smile in that last picture.

  • Anonymous

    I think Bert has suffered from rejection his whole life. Remember his little comment that the whole team selection process was just like being chosen for the volleyball team in high school? Very telling, that. He’s so terrified of being rejected by those around him that he has put up a huge wall of defense against everyone consisting of rudeness and condescending attitudes. He is defensiveness personified. He probably hid behind alcohol for years, and now that’s gone, all he has left is his ruined pride and bitterness. Will take a long time for him to shed that, if ever. 

    Of course, that doesn’t excuse his behavior. Lots of people have overcome much larger issues and turned out to be wonderful people. Mature adults discover this and figure out how to change their behavior. Unless Bert has some sort of epiphany, I don’t see that happening, although perhaps seeing how he came across on national tv might do it. 

    I agree that Laura and Anthony Ryan are intimidated by Bert and don’t know how to deal with him. I don’t think that many of the people in this group have much experience in having to work with disparate personalities. They all just seem so inexperienced and young to me.

    • Anonymous

      “Remember his little comment that the whole team selection process was
      just like being chosen for the volleyball team in high school? Very
      telling, that.”

      But someone always makes that comment every time people pick teams. It’s really nothing atypical or telling. It’s one of the few reality TV phrases you know you’ll hear (along with “I’m not here to make friends” and “throw him under the bus.) It’s practically reality TV cannon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046681022 Paula Berman

    Bert was cheering because, after Anthony and Laura tried desperately to throw him under the bus, they were RIGHTLY being called on the utter shittiness of their looks.  It was foolish of them to try to blame him b/c their designs were badly conceived and badly sewn, while his, though arguably wrong for the challenge (and sooo many were this week), were functional and attractive.  I wish people would admit that they would want to cheer too, if they were being vindicated like that after being wrongly attacked.  Bert just lacked the tact to cheer only on the inside.  They tried to scapegoat him for their failings and it didn’t work.  Screw them.  They have no  leg to stand on and their sense of being wronged is baseless.  Yep, I’m siding with Bert on this one, though I think he was an ass to be so open about his schadenfreude.

    • Anonymous

      WANTING the cheer is different from actually DOING it. Restraint in such a situation comes from maturity, class, learning to be as gracious in victory as in defeat, and realizing that it could just as easily have been you under the gun (and very well might be next time). Bert has none of those qualities, so he’s an auf in my book, and nothing can justify his beahvior. Badly done.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        Exactly–everyone wants to cheer.  It’s Schadenfreude.  But growing up is supposed to install a few filters between the thought and the mouth.

        • Anonymous

          And the very least, if nothing else keeps you from openly gloating, it should be the fact that it’s not good sportsmanship and it might hurt you in the eyes of the judges.

  • Anonymous

    When Bert made that comment about not bothering to learning people’s names because they didn’t even register on his radar for them, it was officially over for me. That was some straight up Kenley talk right there and he has shown even less promise as a designer to warrant his massive ego.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe, like Kenley, he’ll eventually notice how much of an asshole he’s being and try to be better. Of course, after resolving to get better Kenley made the whole “they’re doing short bridesmaid’s dresses too, so they copied off of me!” comment, so there’s only so much he can do.

  • Anonymous

    When Bert made that comment about not bothering to learning people’s names because they didn’t even register on his radar for them, it was officially over for me. That was some straight up Kenley talk right there and he has shown even less promise as a designer to warrant his massive ego.

  • Anonymous

    “Bert said: Fucking hardball shit…”

    Bert, in a way, reminds me of basket hat, ‘no fluff and fold’ Vincent. And I think that what you showed in the screen cap is a BIG part of the issue — it isn’t the age, it is the crazy and the anger. Working in a room with a guy who keeps doing that crazy, angry remark thing is stressful. 

    And I have to think that there is A LOT more going on than we’ve seen so far, because everyone hates him. There has to be stuff we haven’t seen. I think the producers must be protecting him because he must in the finals & they don’t want to have another finalist that the public hates. Just like with Jeffrey who was an even bigger asshole than he even appeared (hard to imagine, but I’ve spoken to two different designers from that season who have both said he was actually MUCH worse what was shown, that the editing was kind to him), and ended up being a ‘winner’ who went nowhere because the public hated him.

    The same with Bert, in any work situation, but especially when you are tired, on deadline, and trying to be creative, having some nut working within earshot of you, who is reeking of anger and verbalizing it, it just upsetting. And his arrogant dismissiveness only doubles down on that.

    –GothamTomato

    • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

      But folks liked Vincent, at least Robert Best did (at least that’s why he said he chose Vincent’s sister instead of Angela’s mom to turn into a giant walking tomato).

      • http://twitter.com/susanpcollier Susan Collier

        And that’s not a dig on tomatoes, Gotham. She was just very tomato red in appearance.

        • Anonymous

          LOL!

          –GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      Bolton’s — oy!

    • Anonymous

      I think you’ve hit it on the head.  He sews pretty well – that much can be said  - I guess.   Vincent used to totally creep me out.  I didn’t think anyone liked him either.    Why is it that there is no clear leader this season?  Is it because no one can really sew anything lovely or interesting, or is it because the challenges have made it impossible to sew anything decent?  I noticed Tim has NOT said “this season shows the best designers we have ever had…”  It’s clear that they all sortof suck, no?

    • Anonymous

      Most of the winners have gone nowhere, so I don’t think you can blame that solely on Jeffrey being disliked. Christian Siriano is the only one who has gone on to do anything of note, and those things of ‘note’ would be a shoe line at Payless (his only profit-earning venture) and occasionally getting a dress on a B-list celebrity. Certainly a measure of success for most designers, but it doesn’t exactly speak highly of Project Runway’s track record. It’s a reality show, not a design career-making machine.

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

         I agree. I’m sure that the exposure helps, but it seems like the designers who are going to be successful probably would be anyway, even without being on PR in the first place. A reality show with crazy challenges doesn’t equal the stamina to successfully navigate working in an industry like fashion or performing arts (a la American Idol).

        I always like your posts. I just wanted you to know that.

  • Anonymous

    “Bert said: Fucking hardball shit…”

    Bert, in a way, reminds me of basket hat, ‘no fluff and fold’ Vincent. And I think that what you showed in the screen cap is a BIG part of the issue — it isn’t the age, it is the crazy and the anger. Working in a room with a guy who keeps doing that crazy, angry remark thing is stressful. 

    And I have to think that there is A LOT more going on than we’ve seen so far, because everyone hates him. There has to be stuff we haven’t seen. I think the producers must be protecting him because he must in the finals & they don’t want to have another finalist that the public hates. Just like with Jeffrey who was an even bigger asshole than he even appeared (hard to imagine, but I’ve spoken to two different designers from that season who have both said he was actually MUCH worse what was shown, that the editing was kind to him), and ended up being a ‘winner’ who went nowhere because the public hated him.

    The same with Bert, in any work situation, but especially when you are tired, on deadline, and trying to be creative, having some nut working within earshot of you, who is reeking of anger and verbalizing it, it just upsetting. And his arrogant dismissiveness only doubles down on that.

    –GothamTomato

  • http://twitter.com/ThisIsNotEmber not ember

    i haven’t loathed a contestant like i loathe Bert in a very long time. Im talking Wendy Pepper status right here, and i realllly hated Wendy.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing how impressions change: When they were first introduced, I was rooting for Bert (because of his sob story about losing his partner), and loathing Laura (because she sounded like an entitled princess).

    Who woulda thunk it that just a couple of episodes later, all that has flipped and I’d like to see Laura stay and Bert go. She turns out to have the talent and professional personality, and he is a zero.–GothamTomato

    • Anonymous

      I figured you’d still love Bert, considering the disdain you both have for the Midwest and the great unwashed masses that reside here.

      • pacconci

        Hear! Hear! But you left out that everyone in the midwest  is also supposed to be antisemitic. It astonishes me when people react to the misdeeds of a few by badmouthing millions of others merely because of where they live.

        I suppose, however, that instead of licking old wounds I should applaud GT for allowing the possibility that someone from the backwater of St. Louis has “talent and professional personality.”

    • Anonymous

      I still loathe Laura. She showed some humanity this ep because almost getting aufed scared the crap out of her.

  • Anonymous

    I still like Bert.  He’s a jerk, but I find his brand of grumpy-old-man amusing.  I keep expecting him to channel Dana Carvey…BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN’T HAVE TO RESERVE SEWING MACHINES.  WE USED WHATEVER WAS AVAILABLE AND WE LIKED IT. 

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, what was that all about?  Tons of empty machines and Josh M screams at him because he doesn’t vacate the minute Josh walks in the door?

      • Anonymous

        I think we are being manipulated BIG TIME by the production.  I’m shocked, shocked that manipulation is going on…

        That said, Bert is old enough to know better to keep the nasty comments in his thought bubble.

      • Anonymous

        Does it have to do with rethreading the machine?  How can there not be a dedicated machine for everyone, when usually everyone is working simultaneously, and there are fewer designers each week?   Is it like musical chairs? 

        • Anonymous

          I hope it was about having to rethread the machine, because otherwise, Josh M. was just pulling a power play. Hmmm. I find that very easy to believe. It’s also possible Bert purposely took that machine because Josh usually works there. I can also see that happening.

          There have been arguments over machines before. I’m guessing that the designers prefer working with the same machine all the time. They learn its quirks and it gives them a sense of stability. It’s like always taking the same seat in class.

  • Anonymous

    Being nearer to Bert’s age, I soooo wanted to root for him, but his “talk to the hand” attitude is immature and insulting.  He has so much experience (both professionally and lifeexperience), but seems to not put any insight into play.  He could easily be the mentor/mensch, even if the kiddies don’t like his ideas, but I don’t think he has the communication skills to pull that off.  There’s a theory that emotional development gets arrested at whatever age a person gets over-involved in drugs/alcohol, and in Bert’s case, that seems like early/mid teens.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, as a recovering alcoholic with a whole lot more sobriety than Bert, all I can say is:  Dude, you are giving recovery everywhere a bad name.  I sure hope to God Bert doesn’t name the program he got sober in because he’d be the best anti-membership example I can think of! 

    Yes, it’s my experience that alcoholics tend to stop growing emotionally when they start drinking seriously — heaven knows I was an emotionally stunted 14-year-old when I got sober as an adult.  But I learned.  I changed.  All Bert has done is stop drinking; his behavior is that of a truly CLASSIC dry drunk — someone who’s exactly like they were as a drunk except they’re not drinking.  The only thing scarier than someone on a 3-year dry drunk?  Someone on a 40-year dry drunk.  I’ve known a couple of them, and honestly, they make Bert’s behavior almost look good.  Almost.  But that’s the road he’s headed down, from his behavior. 

    There’s just NO excuse for the way he’s acting, whether he’s a recovering drunk or not.  He’s acting petty, childish, defensive, surly, dismissive, superior, and utterly unpleasant.  I really did hate the fact that his outfit in this episode wasn’t as totally awful as his teammates’ because it just validated his bad benavior and led to even worse.

    I dearly hope that Bert has a sponsor who will rip him to SHREDS when he gets home.  In the meantime, Bert, if you’re reading this?  You need to do an 8th and 9th step IMMEDIATELY on your fellow designers — look at your OWN behavior — not theirs — and admit where YOU were at fault — not them — and make amends to them for acting like a total raging asshole to them on national television! 

    And yes, it’s time to call Blenley by her own name.  It’s a very nice name.  :)

    • Anonymous

      bien sur!

    • Anonymous

      I honestly don’t think Bert is giving recovery a bad name. Some people are just assholes, whether they are alcoholics or not. Recovering or not.

      Of course, I’m not talking about you, I’m talking about Bert!!

      • Anonymous

        Everybody can be an asshole, and people in recovery frequently have a special talent for it.  (Myself not excluded!)  My complint about Bert is that his assholery is so unrelenting!  I just hope that viewers are like you and don’t necessarily connect the two.  One bad impression can undo the good work of dozens of good ones, unfortunately, when people are contemplating giving up their crutch.

        • Anonymous

          I think Bert as a character on the show is an interesting study. Think of how many of us (myself included), were totally Team Bert before the show ever started, only based on a light sketch of background: Once at the top of his game professionally, suffered personal losses, spiraled into alcoholism, got into recovery, looking for a second chance. Made for TV, really. As you said so well, now people get to see that many  recovering alcoholics have only faced the drinking part and not what led them there or how to be in the world without alcohol. As I’m sure you know, they don’t just get to hug it out, sing Kumbaya, and move on.

          Honestly, Bert reminds me of my brother who is way down deep in the bottle and has been for decades. His favorite past time is stirring up shit between other siblings. Literally creating havoc out of thin air. Some sibs blame it on his drinking, I blame it on him. Period.

          And congrats on your recovery and thanks for your personal insights.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you, Anathema,  You have articulated the situation completely – some people are just assholes, and I think Bert could be a poster child.

        BTW, as a Terry Pratchett fan, love seeing your name on the TLo site.

        • Anonymous

          Love Terry Pratchett.   Want to sit on Hogfather’s lap.

  • Anonymous

    “It surprises us to see how much he’s being defended in the comments. Not bothering to learn people’s names because they’re “not significant?”  CHEERING ON THE RUNWAY WHEN SOMEONE ELSE GETS CRITICIZED? Are you kidding us? There is NO defending that kind of behavior. And if the argument is that he was right to act that way this week because his team mates were dismissive, what’s the excuse for every other time he’s been nasty?” BRAVO! Just what I’ve been saying. I’m also in the generation in between, and Bert’s age has nothing to do with how the others feel about him. It’s purely down to his craptastic attitude and personality.

  • vmcdanie

    I actually thought Bert’s outfit went fine with the sneaks. It didn’t excite me but it was fine. Bert, though. I am getting sick of seeing his mean, pissy face on my TV every week.

     It points out once again how unfair the team challenges are when someone gets stuck with a Bert, an Ivy, whatever.

    It certainly didn’t seem fair to see Anthony go home for a variety of reasons. That outfit was bad but the worst? Nah. Exhibit A: Zulema’s sweater dress where the model’s ass was completely hanging out. Exhibit B: Blaine’s astrology “pooping fabric” clownsuit. Exhibit C: Team Luxe.

    • Anonymous

      Do commuters not wear athletic shoes in-transit anymore?  Did this stop back when the Sex and the City overpriced Jimmy Choo craze started?  What happened?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1002675081 Stacey Noel

    Well, finally got around to watching the ep, and that WAS a whole lot of drama and producer bs!

    Bert’s only redeeming quality was when he went toe-to-toe with Clinique Counter over the sewing machine. If the producers were really smart they’d just end the season with a cagematch between the 2 of them. The team output was a big pile of poo, and nobody came out of it smelling like a rose. When the hell are we going to start getting memorable pieces?  

    • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

      …and it’s written in the stars that at least one of the two will make it to the finals. My money is on Clinique, standing up there in all of his shininess. I just hope the producers don’t do what they did in Season 8 and give him the win.

    • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

      …and it’s written in the stars that at least one of the two will make it to the finals. My money is on Clinique, standing up there in all of his shininess. I just hope the producers don’t do what they did in Season 8 and give him the win.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSYAJATXUH3QX7ZDDF52GXG4PU Janie R

    I agree with every single word you said. That last picture says it all. What a nasty smile. The comment about their age and not having the experience of working with an asshole like him rings so true. I’m Bert’s age, and I know I could work with him in a team. You don’t have to like someone to work with them. They aren’t looking hard enough for what they could use out of him. 

  • Anonymous

    TLO

    you guys I think nailed it pretty well the whole team dynamic between them. fear and not knowing how to deal with someone like Bert. Bert was horrible but I can’t say i had any sympathy for Laura and Anthony. The truth is someone with good leadership or team skills would have figred out how to handle him. Someone like Anya may have had a shot. But I have to say team challenges liek this where each perosn is responsible for their own garment begs for team input.

    • Anonymous

      Anya would deal well with Bert because she would look at him with soft eyes and plead with him.    And then he would sew her garment!  lol

  • Anonymous

    Usually at this point of the season I have someone I’m rooting for, but this bunch of designers seems to fall into two groups; either insufficiently talented or bitchy backstabber. I could hardly care less about most of them. 

    • Anonymous

      There’s a third group: insufficiently talented bitchy backstabber!

  • MilaXX

    Agreed, I tried giving Bert benefit of the doubt, but he lost me with this challenge. Sadly Anthony & Laura got too caught up in Bert drama & failed to focus on makig good garments.

  • Judy_J

    The Style Network is showing past episodes of PR.  Last night was Season 1.  Even with the drama between Wendy Pepper and everyone else, it wasn’t near as contentious or nasty as this season has been.  Nor as contrived.  I really enjoyed watching the old shows…it reminded me why I got hooked on PR in the first place.  Anthony and Laura may have been intimitated by Bert, but I’m betting Bert was intimidated by them as well.  He may have age and experience on his side, but they’ve got youth and enthusiasm and new ideas on their side.  Too bad they couldn’t find some common ground and gone from there.  They all behaved badly, in my opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Loathe Bert, but I disagree that his outfit looked bad with the sneakers. I thought it came together.

  • Anonymous

    I remain firmly on team Bert!! I can’t help but, think that all the anti-Berts are reacting exactly as the producers hoped they would. Until I’m convinced otherwise I believe that the producers are going out their way to portray him in a bad light. I mean c’mon he’s really the only interesting thing about the show so far this season. Have you seen any really interesting forward thinking fashion? 

    Random Bert thoughts

    If you were a young designer and you had the chance to team up with a more experienced designer who had worked for the likes of Bill Blass and Halson wouldn’t you, no matter how much you disliked him, be a least a little interested in what he had to say ?

    If you were placed on a team of people who immediately wrote you off both personally and professionally simply on the basis of their preconceived notions about you how would you react ? 

    These contestants face huge time constraints. Was Bert supposed to gather Anthony Ryan and Laura in a group hug and sing Kumbaya with them until they all agreed to work in perfect harmony ? 

    Does it strike any one as odd that from the beginning of the season, even before we knew that much about how Bert interacted with others that some of the designers, in their private interviews, were already talking about he difficult he is ? 

    Put yourself in the work room. If you were tasked with having to make an interesting, fashion forward garment, in very little time who would you have chosen to work with ?

    Josh M – The finest argument I can think of against homosexuality ? (I’m gay I can say that)

    Bryce – The “I’ve just graduated from this great fashion school I found on the back of matchbook, so I’m clearly more skilled that you are ” asexual whom I’m convinced was the basis for Julia Sweeney’s character Pat on SNL. 

    Viktor – Who storms out of the room at the slightest provocation. And who expects that by waving his arms and hissing that others are supposed to understand the visionary concepts locked away in his addled little mind ?

    Anthony Ryan – Who let’s his innate southern tendency toward gossip and drama override what are clearly creative well conceived (for the most part) ideas ? 

    Give me a crotchety old guy with years of experience and mad skills anytime !! 

    • scottyf

      Most of the seats up front at Bert’s and my wedding are vacant now…sit anywhere you’d like. :)

      • Anonymous

        Do you see how your quote from Maya Angelou sort of undercuts your defense of Bert?

        But, carry on.   I love you for your loyalty.    I’ll send a wedding gift.

        • scottyf

          Actually, from my way of thinking, that quote personifies my feelings about Bert.

          One of the first thing we learn about him from his bio, is that his nephews call him “Uncle Tightass.” He submitted that. I think a lot of folks laughed at the remark and thought it was cute. I thought “Okay, thanks for the information.” I think the frustration a lot of people have stems from a picture that they painted of him, instead of listening to the man himself. I just don’t see him as being any better or worse in his behavior than most of the other contestants. The Ageism for me comes with people seeming to think that just because you’re 57 you are supposed to act a certain way. And I’d definitely rather deal with a person who is upfront about their behavior, than someone who tells me one thing and shows me another.

          The love and the gift are much appreciated. But don’t get us anything. Make a virtual donation to an organization that helps bitchy, middle-aged queens work on their social skills.

          • Anonymous

            You two have those alternate TVs that TLo were telling us about!

    • Toto Maya

      I don’t think Josh is an argument against homosexuality, but definitely an argument against makeup. Yeeeeesh. Oh, and being an asshole.

      While I don’t mind crotchety old guys with mad skills, I’m not all that convinced that Bert has those skills. Most of what he’s made has been boring and designless. Without mad skills, he’s just a grumpy old guy with nothing really to contribute.

  • Anonymous

    TLo, I wholeheartedly agree with you here.  I have just read through many of the comments, and I am a little shocked at how many posters want to defend Bert based on his possible seat in a “spectrum” of a disorder.

    • Toto Maya

      Yeah, I agree, it’s kind of insulting. “Bert is acting like an asshole, he probably has asbergers and that makes it okay!” First of all, claiming that since he’s an asshole he must have asbergers is pretty insulting to all of the people who are on the spectrum and manage to function and act like decent human beings. Second, that shouldn’t excuse him, especially since he hasn’t even been diagnosed with anything. Just assuming he has something and then forgiving him for it is presumptuous and also patronizing. “Aww, the poor guy probably can’t help it, he doesn’t think like you and me!” Whether or not he is, if he is in a profession where he is expected to interact with others he should make an effort to do so. So many people on the spectrum manage to figure that out before they reach puberty, Bert has had plenty of time.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not sure where the two of you are coming from. I have read all the comments and didn’t come away at all thinking most posters were saying it’s ok for Bert to act like an asshole. DeborahLipp said “Aspies can be mean. It doesn’t make it okay to be mean. Bert is mean. Mean isn’t okay.” 

  • Anonymous

    TLo, I wholeheartedly agree with you here.  I have just read through many of the comments, and I am a little shocked at how many posters want to defend Bert based on his possible seat in a “spectrum” of a disorder.

  • Toto Maya

    The thing I want to ask Bert is, how can he expect to be successful if he basically cannot work with anyone? If he wants to be a designer he is going to be working with all kinds of people from all walks of life, and yet he refuses to. He’s shooting himself in the foot. He could be the greatest designer in the world, which he most certainly isn’t, and people will see his attitude here and say, “No thanks.”

    I could work with Bert, because I can work with anyone and know how to appease, but I don’t know if I would want to go through the trouble, especially since his designs aren’t that amazing.

  • http://profiles.google.com/eszubert Elizabeth Szubert

    I have gone from being on Team Bert to hating Bert.  So, I think that everything the two of you have said is spot on.  I’m starting to wonder when the heck he’ll be going.

  • Anonymous

    I really wish that Bert were balding, so I could pull out the old “There’s many a man hath more hair than wit” joke, but alas, it was not to be.

    Why is it that NO ONE in the history of this show has responded gracefully to bullying? They either turn into sobbing puddles of sad designer or raging, cornered wolverines. I know that they’re under a lot of stress, but I’m not sure that’s a good excuse to lash out and be horrible to everyone around you, because that’s very rarely a helpful response in a high-pressure situation.

    Also, since I don’t know if there will be a specific post about this, I have had it up to HERE with the gimmicky shit. I know that it’s PR, and a certain level of tacky show-horsing is to be expected, but it feels like they hit the bottom of their trick bag last season and gave a focus group a bunch of LSD to come up with a new set of ridiculous shit to make the designers do. None of the challenges so far this season have been coherent or interesting enough to engender coherent, interesting garments.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1663121863 Donna DeVore Metler

      Because there aren’t many good ways to respond to bullying, and when you add an emotionally tense, time pressured, stuck LIVING with these people constantly situation, there’s REALLY no good way to respond to it-except maybe to quit the show entirely.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sure there have been plenty of people dealing with bullying, but they only show you the people who cry or snarl.  It’s not actually reality.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sure there have been plenty of people dealing with bullying, but they only show you the people who cry or snarl.  It’s not actually reality.

    • Anonymous

      On the topic of gimmicky shit, a couple of seasons back (maybe the LA one), there was a post from TLo, if I remember correctly, for watchers of the show to come up with ideas for new, interesting challenges for the designers. I remember that there were a huge number of comments, with some absolutely fantastic ideas. We were all just hoping that somehow the producers would come across them.

      Why is it that NO ONE in the history of this show has responded
      gracefully to bullying? They either turn into sobbing puddles of sad
      designer or raging, cornered wolverines.
      That’s an excellent question, and I have no answer. But I also recall that our *boys* have posted on the topic of bullying also, back in the day. As gay men, they come to this topic with deep insight, and I remember being deeply moved by what they had to say. I wish I knew how to find it for you.

  • scottyf

    My Bitter Buddha

    There’s really not much more to say: the villagers are at the door, and they have pitchforks and seam rippers ready to take you down. You are officially a pariah, and I guess any one who stands with you gets shunned as well.

    So be it.

    I will take the unused “Middle Aged Queens for Bert” t-shirts, and pile them at the castle door hoping they stave off the hoards for a few  episodes more and hold my ground. I’m standing by you.

    I will not defend your behavior on this week’s episode, nor will I condemn it. There is enough condemnation flying around to make this blog feel like a baptist tent revival in the middle of the Bible Belt. And it’s funny to me that everyone makes a clear distinction between referring to you in vicious, derogatory terms and your behavior on the show. For me, it doesn’t matter if you have an XDCAM pointed at you, or you’re at home typing on a keyboard: if you are disgusted by the way someone treats someone else, why would you turn around and repeat the same behavior?

    I guess I must be looking at a different edit than most others. I see shots of you interacting positively with the other contestants. I saw you cheer unbridled for Olivier after his win. I saw you lightly touch Viktor in what seemed like genuine support as you left the runway after the two of you sparred through your challenge. I could feel the vulnerability when you told Anthony Ryan and Laura how you felt in the green room. I hear you SAY you don’t bother to remember others names, but I see Joshua M ACTUALLY forget his teammate. In other words, I see your positive side, and I see other’s negative. Somehow your negative has become all that you are.

    I guess when you get to be a Boomer on a TV show, you only get to have one side.

    Its going to get cold, lonely and scary all by ourselves in this drafty castle, with the angry crowds on the other side of the door carrying signs that say; “Stop being so mean and nasty to people! You Old Bitter Asshole!” We’ll hold out as long as we can.

    Just don’t forget my name bitch. It might be the only one you can call.

    xoxoxoxoxo

    • Anonymous

      :)

    • http://www.katymcdermott.com KatyMightHave

      If I weren’t already married and a straight female, I’d probably propose. As it is, I’ll content myself with tossing rice at you and Bert’s virtual wedding… :)

      • scottyf

        Don’t throw rice. Then Bert will start whining about hurting the pigeons; that we should have gone with bird seed instead, and inundating me with anecdotes of Mae West’s marriage to Frank Wallace. Just come. :-)

    • MilaXX

      Sorry dude, but your man is a jerk. Sure he can behave like a human when he wants to, but when those challenges are going on he is out for blood. Believing that everyone around you is not even worthy of learning to address them by their birth name says it all for me.

      • scottyf

        I’d have to hear your definition of “out for blood”, because Bert’s behavior just doesn’t fit that phrase for me. I don’t get it. In this very post alone, you have people named Laura asking if others would stop referring to the contestant by other than her real name. Most people know Joshua M more as “Clinique Counter” than by his birth name. People have said in some form or fashion, “I’m not bothering to remember contestant’s names until the pack is cut.” So my assumption is that all of those posters have also incurred your ire? 

        Personally, I think calling someone whom you don’t personally know, a jerk or an asshole is much more disheartening for me.

        • Rand Ortega

          Dammit, SB scottyf. Don’t you dare make me re think my anger at Bert! You’re actually making me consider the situation on a deeper lever (edits, gestures to the contrary of what was portrayed, etc.) & understand him! Still, cheering the dressing down his teammates received from the judges was inexcusable. 
          PS: Your post earlier has to be the loveliest, most evocative mash note ever!

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t agree with you more.  Your point about people hear referring to Bert in such vicious terms while complaining about him being mean is soooo true! 

    • MilaXX

      scottyf wrote, in response to MilaXX:

      I’d have to hear your definition of “out for blood”, because
      Bert’s behavior just doesn’t fit that phrase. I don’t get it. In this
      very post alone, you have people named Laura asking if others would stop
      referring to the contestant by other than her real name. Most people
      know Joshua M more as “Clinique Counter” than by his birth name. People
      have said in some form or fashion, “I’m not bothering to remember
      contestant’s names until the pack is cut.” So my assumption is that all
      of those posters have also incurred your ire. 

      Personally, I think calling someone whom you don’t personally know, a jerk or an asshole is much more disheartening for me. Okay let me rephrase that. Perhaps “out for blood” is too strong of a term. From what I see Bert is doing everything he can not to get auf.  I’m not saying that either party was innocent in this challenge, but I have yet to see any attempt on Bert’s part to get along with the other designers in any of the team challenges to date. He has no problem being rude and nasty.  And he also seems to retcon things on the runway to make it seem as if he tried to get along a lot better than what we are seeing. Also I can name every contestant even if I choose to jokingly call them something else when posting about them. As a viewer I can do that. However Bert is living with these people and to not only deem them unworthy of remembering their names but to also publicly on camera state as much puts him pretty much in the jerk column from where I’m sitting.“The first time someone shows you who they are, believe them.” –Dr. Maya AngelouFunny, Bert had no problem including the fact that his nephews call him Uncle Tightass in his bio. I believe him.

    • Anonymous

      signs that say; “Stop being so mean and nasty to people! You Old Bitter Asshole!”
      I hope I didn’t do this, but I might have. You brought me up short.

      Scottyf, can I hug you? You have a remarkable and positive way of looking at the world. Don’t get too lonely and scared in the castle, some of us would be huddling in there with you. Cause we’ve been on the *wrong side* ourselves from time to time.

  • Anonymous

    Well said T Lo. Bert pushes people away by being an asshole, then rationalizes that he is above them all in some way, then complains that he wasn’t given a voice (design, fabric choice, etc.). To be fair to Laura and Anthony, you need a lot of experience with fucked-up people to navigate the Berts of the world. Unfortunately I’m related to a few Berts…some recovering alcoholics, some who should be recovering. The bonus is that those family ties made me really well prepared for a career in publishing, where dysfunction runs amok!

    As for the clothes, Anthony’s is so bad it is funny. Laura’s is just confusing as hell. Bert’s is okay, but not for sneakers. I like the top a lot. Too bad he didn’t do a flirtier skirt with it.

  • Anonymous

    While I agree that Bert’s teammates needed to understand how to manage him none of it excuses his behavior AT ALL. The man is every bit like a spoiled toddler who thinks he’s better than everyone else in the room. If I acted like that as a kid (minus the swearing) I would have gotten my little behind smacked but good. And my mom wasn’t a spanker, but boy my behind would have been red and deservedly so! He gets no excuses from me because he seems to be able to act fine when he wants to. Bert’s a jerk. Period.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed.

  • Anonymous

    Could not agree more, especially with that last sentence. 

  • laura magner

    I think Bert’s problem is he thought his shit doesn’t stink. But it does. He has one design direction and I think he’s realizing that he’s in trouble. (Insecure, as many of you have said.) He’s incapable of thinking outside his little box. His box is an old, stinky steamer trunk. And he’s padlocked himself inside.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVIY3NBCZJAJNFWDBCWG2DMKL4 Jen R

    I haven’t understood the defense of Bert’s behavior, either. So thank you for taking the time to break this down for everyone. I hope Bert watches this episode and thinks “Damn, why was I such a bitch???”. Not holding my breath, though.

  • http://twitter.com/MandySCG MandyJane

    I wanted to like Bert so badly, but every week he makes it impossible.

  • fragileindustries

    Bert may not be drinking, but he certainly isn’t in recovery.  His behavior screams “white knuckle sobriety” — taking out his inner angst on everyone around him, and never looking at himself.  The name calling, the grandiosity, really.  After two years he should be at least familiar with the 12 Steps, most of which deal with cleaning up your own behaviors, not (definitely not) taking the inventory of team mates.  I don’t know that there was a way to deal with him.  

    • Anonymous

      Word so much. And I’m beginning to think alcoholism and mourning his friend/partner were not the only reasons he had to leave the fashion world in the 1st place.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve worked with addicts for several years.   It takes a lot of patience and redirection.   The blaming of others and of circumstances becomes tiresome.    I can’t think what it’s like to deal with under this pressure packed circumstance, plus the other designers probably haven’t ever had to deal with this sort of personality before and are stymied.    Anthony has showed himself to be a kind, gracious person.    Plus the poor guy was sick!

  • Anonymous

    You’re delusional and as always report it to your (stereotypical gay bitchy) liking. Those two petulant little children had it out for him from the very start. This has to be the most uninteresting and least talented group to come down the Runway pike ever.     

    • Anonymous

      Wow.

    • Anonymous

      I can’t think of anything anyone has created that I have remotely liked.  It’s all blech, meh, yawn.  Ugh.  Give me colorful Uli and Crazy Santino and Class Laura any day.  These people are just a big blur to me.  

    • Anonymous

      I think you need to watch again.  No one “had it out for him from the very start”.  Absolutely not.  They tried to collaborate with Bert, and he refused.  Then they had to move on without him, because he would not collaborate.  Then they tried to get him to realize that Heidi said his dress was not okay at the consult, but he would have none of it.  Then suddenly Heidi thought it was great on the runway even though it was exactly the same as when she disapproved of it at the consult.  They weren’t trying to sway him for no reason.

      • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

        Saying no to everyone of his ideas is not trying to collaborate. They did to him what Clinique and Anya did to Becky, exactly. The cool kids picked on the weird one. And then when he had a clear vision, they told him to stay out in the cold where he belonged. Anthony Ryan never, ever expected to hear Nina and Michael (not just Heidi) praise Bert’s garment over theirs. That blank look on his face was shock.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i agree w/ you about the petulance, the lack of talent &, indeed, the lack of interest. but i cannot figure out who you are calling delusional & stereotypically gay bitchy. that wouldnt be anyone i know here. josh, perhaps?

  • BuffaloBarbara

    I actually sort of like Laura’s outfit.  The vest is very hippy-dippy, but the more charming and less “I haven’t bathed for two weeks” brand of hippy-dippy.  It would go better with sandals than sneakers, but I could live with it with sneakers.

  • Anonymous

    I think the clinical term for Bert’s condition is simply: asshole.  Possibly a bit of a sociopath.  I get the sense that he actively works at not getting along with people.  Regardless, I’m sick of watching him.  I get that some people enjoy turning on the tube and seeing crazy people irrationally act out against others, but come on.  There are hundreds of other TV shows that have that base covered.  Hell, just skip PR and watch that Dance Moms show afterwards.  

    I for one have been tuning into PR since Season 2 to follow a skill-based competition – and hey, some drama mixed in for fun, but it’s mostly about the competition.  Whatever this shit is they’re concocting lately at Bunim/Murray, it ain’t producing fun and interesting clothing designs.  This is pretty late in the season to not be truly wowed by a single garment yet.

    Bottom line is, Bert hasn’t produced anything decent since he won the first challenge.  That’s a pretty crappy batting average at this point.  And means he’s already taken up more space than he deserved, based solely on his shitty personality.  Enough already.

    Laura’s was nothing great, and Anthony Ryan’s is downright indefensible.  But they are at least making attempts at interesting designs (usually), so they made the right decision in keeping them around.

    • Mary McClelland

      Well, I agree – Bunim/Murry has real worlded this shit to death.  It’s not about fashion anymore, it’s a personality game.  At least last season some of the “personalities” were decent designers or had a perspective (ok, Mondo did at least).  I miss the first four seasons when I would get excited by the clothes and leap out of my seat during the runway shows and totally forget that Jeffrey Sebelias and Santino were a-holes.  I also miss the days when I was attached to the judges decisions, for or against their choices, and genuinely cared about their opinions even if I did not share them.  This show has SOLD. OUT.  It has sold out like every other piece of sh*t on TV and lost its color and its soul. Such a shame.  Also, a shame that The Fashion Show is still a distant runner up to Runway at its prime.  Maybe I am looking back with nostalgia and it was never that good to begin with, but I really did love the old days of PR.

      PS – I don’t think AR and Laura make attempts at interesting designs. I think they make attempts at keeping things “on trend” and generic, either because that is their style or they want to appease the new style-obsessed judges. It’s a pathetic world when Heidi Klum suddently becomes the judge you respect the most simply for being honest, having her own opinion, and not allowing herself to be railroaded by Nina and Michael.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=49702581 Susan Bullard Mayer

      I for one have been tuning into PR since Season 2 to follow a
      skill-based competition – and hey, some drama mixed in for fun, but it’s
      mostly about the competition.  Whatever this shit is they’re concocting
      lately at Bunim/Murray, it ain’t producing fun and interesting clothing
      designs.  This is pretty late in the season to not be truly wowed by a
      single garment yet.

      Yup, and this is why I pulled out my S2 DVDs last night.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, I’m going to admit that I like Bert and I still root for him, in spite of the reality that he’s pretty full of himself and not quite as good as he thinks he is.

    I’ll also admit that it’s personal.  I went to a hoity toity culinary school at 40 years old.  Almost everyone around me was half my age and half my size.  The majority of my classmates and instructors treated me like I was something disgusting stuck on the bottom of their shoes, not all, but most.

    Watching how Joshua and Anya were relating to Becky triggered some bad memories for me, and when the judges rewarded Joshua for sidelining the “dowdy” old lady, it triggered even worse memories for me!

    This group seems to be more ageist, sizeist, and classist than any other group they’ve had in the past.  They iced Becky and Bert out of the “kewl kids” group from the very beginning.  They also dismissed their talent because from their perspective, how could fat, old people be any threat to their young fabulous selves?

    Becky has responded by trying desperately to get along.  But Bert is a bitter old queen with no patience for their bullshit and that’s what you’re seeing.

    And when I was in school I was always the Becky, trying to get along and getting rolled over at every turn.

    But I wish, how I wish, I could have been the Bert.

    • BuffaloBarbara

      I think I was getting triggered from both sides–not so much from Anya, who didn’t seem to be particularly involved in the Becky business, but certainly by Josh… that whole business brings up the “Oh, you old folks just don’t get it! You’re irrelevant!” that so many newbies in a field have.  On the other hand, Bert makes me think of every high-maintenance Boom manager I’ve ever met.  He’d have been as bad with Becky as he was with A.R. and Laura.

      I wouldn’t want to be Bert.  Better to be Becky and have some dignity.

    • Anonymous

      Well said rose88. I went back to school at 40, most of my classmates were the age of my children. They only wanted to copy my notes or ask what the professor was talking about. They acted like I might drop dead from old age at any given minute.

      • Anonymous

        Them wanting to copy your notes or ask what the professor was talking about has nothing to do with your age.  They do that with anyone who took notes or went to class or was listening. 

    • Now I am The Bee

      Very well said, Rose88.  I’ll be attending art school at the end of next year–in my 58th year.  I’m sure I’ll have some of the same experiences as you had.  I’ll let you know how it goes….

      • Anonymous

        My spouse has just graduated with his bachelor’s in art degree at age 51.  When I asked him what it was like to be in college with all the young kids, he laughed and said he did not worry about it one bit.  He was glad he had age, maturity, judgment and experience on his side.   He sat in the front row, blabbed like mad, teased and toasted the younger kids, and blew them off if they acted like he was not cool enough.  He SMOKED it and is all the better for it.   Now I am, you are gonna KICK. COLLEGE. ASS.  Just you watch.  xoxoxooxoxox

      • Anonymous

        Stay strong, Bee!  Remember you have a lot of guts and heart to be doing this so don’t let the cliques get you down.  As a postscript to what I wrote earlier, many of my classmates dropped out of the industry quickly when they realized that they weren’t going to become celebrity chefs overnight and much the culinary industry values hard work over youthful good looks.  I, on the other hand, will be starting my job as a cook with one of the biggest names in Italian cuisine in NY with his new Upper East Side venture in a couple of weeks.

        Please keep us updated on your journey!

      • Toto Maya

        You might, but honestly, I just graduated from college as a youngin’ and we had tons of people of all ages in our classes. I sat in classes with people from age 17 to 90, and it wasn’t a big deal at all. Lots of people are going back to school and in college, for the most part, people don’t pay heavy attention to or care about who their classmates are. If you’re there to learn and contribute something awesome to the class you’ll be fine. College is for everyone.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      i am sorry about what happened to you. in this kind of situation, IRL, i have learned to be the person so cool i pull the uncool people away from the chaff & up & out–cos thats where all the talent is. the way you do that is by not caring what other people think. for real.

      you didnt miss anything by not being bert. bert is seriously unhappy. i dont think he’s as much of a jerk as a lot of other people do–i see the cliquishness around him & i know what comes outta that. but he’s a dry drunk & he isnt doing real well. he cant even let go of what people he probably doesnt respect think. it’s why he acts like that. if he reallytruly ignored them & produced fabulous work they might still have disdain but at least it would look as inappropriate & foolish as it actually is. & he’d come out smelling like a rose.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, Josh M and Anya did this to Becky.
      No, Anthony Ryan and Laura did not do this to Bert.

      • Anonymous

        except they did though…
        Josh M and Anya were dismissive (rudely and were actually mocked) of every idea she brought them.
        Anthony Ryan and Laura were dismissive (rudely and were actually mocked) of every idea he brought them.
        They didn’t just say no, they said no and pretty much made fun of the both of them for being old and not having good ideas.

        I don’t want to defend Bert, but really they were both immediately dismissed and then openly mocked immediately but Bert was enough of an asshole to bite back.

  • Anonymous

    I think there’s a method to his madness.  He ties people up in the arguments he never tires of, distracts them and totally throws them off their game.  He succeeded in having his own team leader whip out the worst outfit of the episode, and as you said, possibly one of the worst in the history of the show.  That’s why he’s so public with his nastiness; he infects those around him with his negativity and his own garments sail through in the middle of the pack.

    • Anonymous

      Well said.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WHDVZHZST2KAEL7BYYL6X4NHNI Elwin Gary

      that’s what you call a game plan.

    • Anonymous

      Wendy Pepper should have been so lucky as to travel forward in time and take notes, considering that she openly admitted to “playing the game”. 

  • Anonymous

    Bert is by far my least favourite PR contestant of all time. He has no redeeming qualities–nothing he is doing is even remotely “fun” as far as his bitchiness goes. He doesn’t even have good one-liners. He’s just a Grade-A asshole and he seems to revel in it. He calls people immature and childish when he’s the biggest goddamn child on this show. I cannot stand him and I sincerely hope he goes home soon.

  • Anonymous

    I think part of the sympathy towards Bert is that many are rooting for an older person to win, to show the younger ones that experience counts for something. Also it gives us all hope that it’s never too late to follow your dream. However, Bert is doing a disservice to the older generation, he’s coming across as an old grump, intolerant & stuck in his ways. Most of the late 40′s, 50 plus crowd who’ve been on the show haven’t come across well. I’m having flashbacks of Vincent’s fruit bowl hat!! Peach was a nice lady, but not a great designer

  • http://www.facebook.com/claudeth.forbin Claudeth Forbin

    Hate me all if you wish.  But Anthony Ryan Auld is a manipulative whiny teeny baby.  Last week, he and Clinque Counter snarked about Becky, because he and Becky chose the same fabric.  And Mr. I am so Great Teeny baby was going to shame her with the better design.  Not.  He is the quintessential southern to my NE eyes.  So polite as they backstab you.  Laura and He marginalized Bert.  So Bert is a gruff, insecure, what ever the hell is Aspie.  But, he has tried to work with these barely talented babies and the majority of the seem to be waiting for their opportunity to “read” Mr. Bert.  And they are shocked, when he fights back.  This is the first challenge where Mr. Auld could not reference another designer and lookie here, it sucked like a mighty pile of lemons.

    Tom and Lorenzo, there are still women who wear sneakers rather than their heels in the street. And it’s not 1980′s.  So I agree with another poster, there is nothing wrong with his look.  And I watched this, Mr. Auld and Laura knocked his suggestion for fabric, knocked his suggestion for design, knocked all of his ideas.  Not once trying to incorporate anything in their weird looks.  Clinique Counter did the same with Becky, except Becky wussed.  Remember last season with Ms Gretchhead, she told the team everything and look at how bad that turned out.  Whereas the underdogs tried to incorporate ideas from each other’s aesthetic.

    And what is this, Clinique Counter wins for someone elses design.  WTF.

    All that said, yea Bert is an ass, but no one said that you had to be an angel on PR.  At least Bert does not go out of his way to be an ass to the others.  He does it in his corner alone.  So he mutters to himself.  Why should the others care.  This is not all friends contest.  And by the by, he cheered because, Mr. Auld and Laura said that his design sucked and no one would wear it, while saying theirs was going to be ok.  Remember, both agreed that if he was going to be sent home from his BAD design. 

    He seems to go into asshole mode once he is attacked by the rest.  Will Bert be a finalist, probably not.  Because he is not stepping out of the very safe box he is in.  But the rest don’t have all that to talk about either.  This is a wide open season.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

      You said it so much better than I could have.

      Just perfect!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WHDVZHZST2KAEL7BYYL6X4NHNI Elwin Gary

      exaaaactly

    • BuffaloBarbara

      I don’t feel a need to take either side–I haven’t really been an A.R. fan, and that “I haven’t been this pissed since I had cancer” just screams, “I’m desperately pushing my tragic backstory for sympathy,” and it annoys me.  But Bert, right or wrong on the facts, was acting like an intolerable asshole.  As I feel about many wars, I thought it was too bad  both sides couldn’t lose.  And then I remembered that this is PR, and both of them CAN lose.  So, yay.  Muttering in your corner alone when you know the cameras are on is, essentially, being perfectly open about your disdain.

      Bert was in jackass mode from episdoe 2 on; it’s definitely not “triggered” by other people’s behavior.

    • Anonymous

      So glad you called out Anthony Ryan’s manipulative, catty nature. He has bugged me from day 1.

    • Anonymous

      Although it was one of your minor points, please don’t judge all Southerners by Anthony Ryan. I come from a long line of *salt of the earth* Southern folk, and backstabbing while polite doesn’t describe any of them. Come on down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and I’ll introduce you to some of the loveliest people you will ever meet.

      • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

        We only backstab if you piss us off; not that you’ll ever know, because we’ll tell everyone else before we ever tell you. Claudeth is on the money for my part of the South, LOL!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1248212910 Jessie Melcher Brown

    I’m 46, and I get frustrated at work, I get frustrated with eager young people who don’t have my experience.  But guess what?  I smile, I listen, I find ways to cooperate, and I am well liked, productive, and my opinions are respected.  Its true that if people like you to start off they are more likley to listen to you.  Plus I learn from other people too.

    Age is no excuse for being an ass.  He is just a mean old dry drunk (my Uncle was one) and needs to grow the eff up.

    • Lisa

      I’m 47, and that was well said!

      • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

        But don’t you ever get just a little bit annoyed (also 46) at having to try harder than the young ones to be polite? Not to mention even-tempered?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Tom and Lorenzo.

    I am older than Bert.   I think he’s behaving like a brat.

    But, yes, I agree.  He has to be flattered and cajoled and told how much they are relying on his vast expertise and experience.   But, Bert isn’t really going to take the lead because he doesn’t want that responsibility.  When they didn’t like what he came up with they had to come up with some bs to make it ok with him.  It’s exhausting to work with people like that and there’s no guarantee of success because you could go down either going along with him or trying to get him to alter his course. 

    I’m sorry Anthony and Laura were taken out of their game by him because they’ve shown they can do well together when Bert isn’t part of the formula.   I just feel sorry for Anthony’s having to room with Bert.  

    • Anonymous

      I’m with you.  I think Bert needs to much petting (as we used to say in the South) and he needs to think about what he can do to make his experience better.  But I just hate it that all of the talent is just not evident on this season.  I can’t stand anything that anyone has made.  Period.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, Bert was a total asshole and shit head this week.  He hasn’t exactly been gracious the previous weeks either.  While I agree that his outfit really isn’t one to wear with sneakers EVER, the vagueness of the entire challenge premise negates that.  It is an very well made outfit, it’s flattering, it fits fantastic and looks good.  Period. The other two looks were just awful.  That vest thing was just bizarre by itself ut paired with the rest of her outfit, plain fugly.
    I simply can’t say anything about that romper, I am busy throwing up.

  • Rand Ortega

    Bert has lost me. I was printing “Team Bert” T-Shirts in the beginning. Now he’s Wendy Pepper if WP were an actual bitch. That display on the runway has to be the worst behavior ever on PR.  Though I have to admit his top was fantastic. FWIW, I would’ve paired it w/ shorts or yoga leggings. That would’ve given the top the balance needed to wear w/ sneakers.
    PS: I don’t blame Scottyf for his man’s behavior.

    • Anonymous

      really.  scottyf where are you?  your fiance’s out of control here.

  • Anonymous

    I’m of your generation also TLo, The Middlings for lack of a better word, and frequently have to serve as committee chair with groups composed of Boomers and Gen Y’ers. Let me tell you it is not often a comfortable place to be! I think Bert’s biggest problem is assuming that with age always comes wisdom and that age also connotes maturity. In his case I don’t think he has the wisdom or the maturity to deal with anyone who has a thought process that differs from his own. And I totally agree with you that AR and Laura do not have the necessary ass kissing skills to handle to handle Bert. Trust me, ass kissing is my least favorite part of working in a group but sometimes it must be done. The skill is knowing when to do it and when to just cut your losses and move on.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      just noting that you are right: it is a weird place to be. we are a transitional generation, the ones ahead & behind us are as well {if slightly less so}. it’s very odd to be transitional. i couldnt figure out what was wrong until very recently, but that’s it. we are the advance guard for the post-industrial revolution, we just didnt, couldnt know it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCJEZMOV4VYMXC5WJALLZNYEB4 Mari Rose

    I’ve said from the beginning that Bert is Vincent 2.0 and I’ve yet to see anything to disabuse me of that notion. 

    • Anonymous

      Vincent was just creepy.  I don’t recall him being asshole-y but I might be remembering poorly.  Bert has been just horrid these last couple of shows.  Vincent was the kindof guy that would say “Hey Lady, you’ve got a purty mouth” so to  speak. 

      • Anonymous

        I do remember Vincent getting really angry and insisting he knew fashion better than anyone there, when his designs didn’t reflect that, to the point he seemed delusional when he left.

  • http://twitter.com/ShelfAfterlife Shelf Afterlife

    Ugh, you’re right.  I’m not gonna try and rationalize why Bert is the way he is.  He and Anthony Ryan have had rough pasts, and it doesn’t matter how old or young you are, you shouldn’t treat people like shit the way Bert does.  I’m over the old coot.

    The more I think about it, the more I think Heidi gave Josh the co-win because of the two teams with meltdowns, Josh’s seemed to be able to get it together and pull off some not-so-bad looks, whereas the other team could not.  So, hooray for fake apologies!  He shouldn’t have been rewarded for that.  He also shouldn’t have taken so much credit for Anya’s dress.  I’d be more upset about that except she seemed to be willing to give him the credit.  Good luck getting to fashion week giving another contestant your props.

    These team challenges are bullshit and I’m over it.  Let the designers do their own thing.  How are they showing anyone what they can do when you’re simply putting people together who can’t stand each other to get ratings.  If I wanted to watch this shit, I’d watch America’s Next Top Model.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WHDVZHZST2KAEL7BYYL6X4NHNI Elwin Gary

    I do not know if TLo was using the screencaps for laughs but Anthony and Laura were NOT terrified of Bert. They were outright dismissive and disrepectful to his input and ideas early on. These two were BFF’s since they won the women on stilts challenge. Anthony picked her for that reason and when they realized Bert was going to be on their team, they put up a defense and wasted all their energies in keeping Bert away from their little clique. Unfortunately it backfired because their ideas failed miserably and they came up with shitty looks. They were dishing it out to Bert but in the end, they were the ones exhausted and lost.

    • Anonymous

      Definitely.  No way were Anthony and Laura “terrified” of Bert.  They excluded him from the beginning.  That came from a place of immaturity – not fear.

  • Anonymous

    Ok not defending Bert (not sure how I feel about him yet) but it is so refreshing to see a well made garment.  The last couple seasons have been meh in the designs.  Just junky and student work–and not much color or pattern.  I miss Laura, Michael, even the Angry Peanut, as they could design, construct and use color.  It didn’t look like draped and taped garments.

    • Anonymous

      Not much color or pattern? Sorry, did I just imagine Mondo Guerra? 

      (To be fair, seasons 6 and 7 register as one big khaki/beige blob in my head.) 

      • Anonymous

        Yes, Mondo had color and pattern but the rest is a khaki/beige bomb (!)

  • Anonymous

    Thinking about TLo’s post last week, it seems to me that Bert is almost a pet of the judges.  Well, maybe “pet” isn’t the best word, since they haven’t loved all of his clothes, but it seems that he gets more leeway from them.  At the very least, they believe his bullshit on the runway over what his teammates say.  Remember in the stiltwalker challenge when Nina said, “I believe Bert when he says that Viktor wouldn’t sketch.”  WHY?  Do they just believe he must be more honest because of his age?  And then again this week, they took his word over his teammates.  Very frustrating for me to watch.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I couldn’t believe how one-sided they were about Viktor when he had to team with Bert, and then this week Bert outright lied on the runway and they bought it.  Anthony called him out on the lie and the judges mocked Anthony for it.

  • http://twitter.com/yellowsmarties Mrs Badcrumble

    What bothers me the most about Bert is that he uses ‘I don’t click with you guys cause I’m older’ as an excuse for behaving like a spoiled child. Not everyone can click, that doesn’t happen anywhere in life. But all of us, in our chosen fields, need to work with people we don’t like and compromise has to happen. And it doesn’t seem like Bert is willing to compromise on anything. I’m not gonna say Anthony and Laura handled him well, but it’s not their responsibility to make Bert act decently. That’s his own responsibility. They weren’t perfect in their interactions with him either, but they at least showed a will to try to work together.

    Some seem to argue that whoever works with Bert should give into all of his ideas and tolerate the way he speaks to people. I could see this, perhaps, if he was their boss. But he’s not, they were team mates and he wasn’t even a team leader.

    Moving away from Bert for a moment, I was thoroughly underwhelmed by all the garments for this challenge. That might be because the description was rather vague, but they were all really dull. I’m hoping it steps up design wise for the next challenge!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

    I don’t get how you claim they were terrified of Bert. Their body language does not look that way to me at all, especially in that first picture. If anything they’re the two popular kids freezing out the unpopular kid. You can almost hear the hushed giggles about him being old over the sounds of third period lunch.
    I don’t like any of them, and can’t wait for each of them to go home, but I sided with Bert on this one. These people need to realize that when you’re working with someone else you need to be more receptive to their feelings. Obviously when you comment to someone “I don’t want to work with you” they are going to be defensive. I’m not saying coddle him, but at least respect your teammate.
    You can’t expect to get respect if you don’t give it.

    • Anonymous

      Everytime they try to talk to him, he barks at them.  The body language shown is like he’s a dog with a reputation for biting.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

        But at the beginning (the first screen shot) he was sketching, and whenever he would show them what he had done, they just shot him down. No constructive criticism, just criticism. I would hardly claim he was barking at them. Maybe after he was treated so poorly by his teammate he reacted badly, but he was certainly not barking at them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6PUVFQ7YCZZFZRIER6BEJ4HVYE Amye

    Personally, I liked Bert’s with tennies.  But I guess that’s because I’m an administrative assistant by career trade.  LOL

    Yeah…. this was a terrible team.  Almost as bad as Keith/Terri.

    But I still say he’s not as bad as Kenley.  Close, but not quite there.  And Bert has the “excuse” of age and experiences.  Kenley doesn’t.

    Worst garment?  Right up there with string bikini, Sweet pea’s insane collar & tie, and Wendy’s balloon POS.

    • Anonymous

      as long as he doesn’t start throwing live cats at people, he’s a close second to kenley in the dangerous crazy asshole department.

      • Anonymous

        Are you kidding? As far as I’m concerned he’s surpassed Kenley. Kenley was an insecure young girl with poor social skills. Bert sincerely thinks he’s too good for a gameshow, despite the fact that a gameshow is what he signed up for in the first place. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t want to be a therapist; I want to see fashion. All three in this group were under pressure and nobody was nice to anybody. But when I look at the three pieces the only one I would consider wearing is Bert’s. The top with a pair of pants or shorts would have been fine with the shoes. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/ehormell Eric Hormell

    I think Bert is trying to convince us that he is completely senile. It’s much easier to lie all the time when you can pretend like can’t remember things.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I started from a place of wanting to like Bert – indeed, assuming I would like Bert. His backstory is interesting (the overcoming of alcoholism and so on) and I wanted to cheer for him. But having watched him for several episodes now, the word coming to my mind has gone right on through “asshole” to “abusive.” He genuinely seems not simply to want to do things “his way”, but to do them in a way that will actually discomfort, humiliate, or hurt other people. That was what was going on on the runway: he was enjoying other people’s humiliation. *Whether or not* they had also acted like dicks, that’s not a nice quality.

  • Anonymous

    A song I’m dedicating to AR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3I64m0x6wI

  • http://fafafab.tumblr.com/ fafafab

    I don’t like Bert, I think you’re right in everything you said about him, but I admit I felt a little pleasure when the judges said his was the best design, that will teach Anthony not to let himself get caught up in the fighting and focus on what he’s doing

  • Anonymous

    I’m in the same generation as you two, and Bert reminded me of all the asshole Boomer bosses I had. He thought he was so much better than them because of his “experience”. I learned to keep my head down and wait a while. They go away sooner than you expect, which I think will happen to Bert.

    Speaking of the Bitter Old Queen, his look was almost exactly one that I wore in 1988. I wonder if he designed it back then, too.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely right, TLo.  Just what I tried to say in comments.  Bert was and is an ass, no doubt about it.  But Anthony and Laura took the entirely wrong approach to handle him, let their fear and loathing of him get under their skin and into their heads and then made totally asstastic garments that were their own fault.  You can blame Bert for many things, you can despise him for being a grade A bitch, but he didn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head and say “make shitty garments or your models are toast!”  No one is blameless in this clusterfuck. That mess that Anthony made is inexplicable. So very, very bad.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely right, TLo.  Just what I tried to say in comments.  Bert was and is an ass, no doubt about it.  But Anthony and Laura took the entirely wrong approach to handle him, let their fear and loathing of him get under their skin and into their heads and then made totally asstastic garments that were their own fault.  You can blame Bert for many things, you can despise him for being a grade A bitch, but he didn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head and say “make shitty garments or your models are toast!”  No one is blameless in this clusterfuck. That mess that Anthony made is inexplicable. So very, very bad.

  • Anonymous

    I officially fell out of love with Bert this week.  I have a particular allergy to narcissists, and anyone who doesn’t bother to learn names and consistently treats other people like shit because he believes he’s entitled to certainly falls into that category as far as I’m concerned.  I don’t think it’s an age thing — I think his age and the previous experience he has are just two of the many (delusional) reasons he walks around thinking he doesn’t have to extend ordinary courtesy to others.  Playing the victim whenever anyone disagrees with them is typical of narcissists, as is a “truthfulness problem.”

    • Anonymous

      They also think everyone is out to get them and keep them down, that no one ever gives them a fair shake. They don’t realize they’re disliked because they’re arrogant and rude!

  • Anonymous

    I officially fell out of love with Bert this week.  I have a particular allergy to narcissists, and anyone who doesn’t bother to learn names and consistently treats other people like shit because he believes he’s entitled to certainly falls into that category as far as I’m concerned.  I don’t think it’s an age thing — I think his age and the previous experience he has are just two of the many (delusional) reasons he walks around thinking he doesn’t have to extend ordinary courtesy to others.  Playing the victim whenever anyone disagrees with them is typical of narcissists, as is a “truthfulness problem.”

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what’s worse : watching Joshua bully Becky into submission to his so called fresher and stylier aesthetic or Bert terrorize those kid into not knowing how to handle a needle.
    Yuck.
    I didn’t like Joshua a lot so seeing his bad behavior doesn’t pain me as much as Bert’s.
    I watched this episode with incredulity. I found Bert’s garment nicely done but he’s so… I don’t know. He stays true to himself, he doesn’t compromise but that’s just why he’s not liked by his teammate.
    Count me out of Team Bert.
    Asshole.

    • Anonymous

      I’m with you.  I am pissed at Bert but I REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE CLINIQUE.  Like more than ANY OTHER CONTESTANT IN THE HISTORY OF PROJECT RUNWAY.  Oh my god I’m typing in all caps.  I need a xanax and my blankie.    I really hate Clinique.  He gives me the total freaking creeps. 

      • Toto Maya

        I feel the same way. And for the most part I’ve loved his designs, but as a person I cannot freaking stand him.

  • Lisa

    I think Clinique acted far worse towards Becky, but Bert was a HUGE asshole.  And he can’t scream ageism, because there have been plenty of designers on this show who were older than their fellow contestants and didn’t get treated like that. Laura Bennett (except by Jeffrey, who was an ass to everyone), Peach, Sweetpea  - all of them 20 years older than some of their fellow designers, and none of them had problems.  Bert has to realize that he’s bringing a lot of this on himself.

  • http://profiles.google.com/nikki.thomas Nikki Strickland

    Bert is just . . .ugh. He’s ruining the entire show for me. He’s just so negative, so clearly, always going to be an un-entertaining pain in the ass. Ugh. Ugh.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Bert has Aspbergers.  He is just an ass.

  • Anonymous

    I hate Bert and I think he is a dick.  I loved him after episode 1, but I can’t stand him now. He is such a prick.

    Anthony Ryan’s garment was just horrifically bad.  I mean nothing more can be said about that.

  • https://profiles.google.com/104791269167429064986 Judy S

    This is insightful re. the dynamics of the group. It might even explain why Blenley and Anthony were so confused by Heidi’s visit and abandoned some of their ideas. They had been pre-traumatized by Bert’s disdain for the.

    It looks like at the beginning everyone expected Bert to be apologetic for being older, whereas Bert expected the others to defer to his experience. He might have become a team member if he had been consulted from the get-go on both team efforts, asked for his opinion on projects, etc. Being treated like an idiot with nothing to contribute, he became vengeful (e.g. insisting on using  the “Elizabethan/Victorian” fabric which he claimed Victor has specified but which Victor hated, doing his little victory dance on the runway this time around). There are comments about his being a bitch, a bitter queen, etc. but it seems to me that the fact that he is a large older male who genuinely does not care at all about the younger people is a real shock to them. They are used to being nurtured and admired and they tend to admire and help each other quite a bit, which we as viewers like to see, but they really don’t know what to do with a man who should be parental and protective but who is just not interested in them.

  • http://twitter.com/starvewars Sal

    Bert was funny this episode, that is all.

  • http://twitter.com/starvewars Sal

    Bert was funny this episode, that is all.

  • aussiegal77

    I was absolutely appalled at Bert’s behaviour last episode. He likes to act like he’s getting dismissed by his team mates – but then has to go into this whole long explanation about who said this and when and what he replied. Everything is a big production and long ass story.  Bollocks.  His smirking, malicious grinning and fist pumping on the runway was absolutely despicable and unprofessional. And he’s fucking old enough to know better.

    Anthony and Laura did everything wrong – they didn’t engage Bert, they didn’t try to compromise, they contributed as much to the tension as he did but come the fuck on, Bert was a complete and utter wanker this episode.  I couldn’t believe what I saw.

    So this makes yet another week where Bert alienates yet another designer.  Well done.  I don’t know what his problem is but snobby, sour and vicious is no way to go thru life.  Also – Bert doesn’t get to decide WHICH HUMAN BEINGS are significant and which are not.  Grade A asshole?  More like Primo Dick, if you ask me!  And not in a good way!

    Sorry for the cussing.  

  • aussiegal77

    I was absolutely appalled at Bert’s behaviour last episode. He likes to act like he’s getting dismissed by his team mates – but then has to go into this whole long explanation about who said this and when and what he replied. Everything is a big production and long ass story.  Bollocks.  His smirking, malicious grinning and fist pumping on the runway was absolutely despicable and unprofessional. And he’s fucking old enough to know better.

    Anthony and Laura did everything wrong – they didn’t engage Bert, they didn’t try to compromise, they contributed as much to the tension as he did but come the fuck on, Bert was a complete and utter wanker this episode.  I couldn’t believe what I saw.

    So this makes yet another week where Bert alienates yet another designer.  Well done.  I don’t know what his problem is but snobby, sour and vicious is no way to go thru life.  Also – Bert doesn’t get to decide WHICH HUMAN BEINGS are significant and which are not.  Grade A asshole?  More like Primo Dick, if you ask me!  And not in a good way!

    Sorry for the cussing.  

  • Anonymous

    I’m not excusing Bert (or anyone else) acting like a condescending, bitchy jerk, however… I wonder if Bert might have been a little less bitter if he hadn’t been selected last and if the team that got him didn’t sit 10 feet away from him when they were supposed to be collaborating on a plan. Just wondering is all.

    • Anonymous

      Who sat ten feet away from who?

  • Anonymous

    damnit bert you had so many bitter kittens in your corner.  makes me sad really…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QK7O6OXEX3AYERJWQUXBSVCTY Candy Kane

    I’m starting to think Bert planned this whole villain schtick. Jeffrey Sebelia admitted to doing that, and I just don’t believe anyone could be this obnoxious without doing it on purpose. Maybe Bert knows he’ll get more TV time and therefore a longer run in the competition if he acts like a complete asshole (see Santino, Kenley, etc.).

  • Ted Kane

    I’m still managing to feel some sympathy for Bert just because his path to old, lonely, and bitter has clearly been paved with a lot of unpleasant life experience, but he’s clearly toxic at this point, and feeling sorry for him is about as much as I’m willing to give him.

    It seems like every so often someone gets on the show with no idea of what they’re in for.  They’ve been warned, they’ve presumably watched the show (or they should have, if they’re taking the whole thing seriously), but they somehow don’t realize how much work it’s going to be or what the personalities are going to be like.  I’m thinking of people like Victorya, and now Bert.  

    The same things in Bert’s personality that don’t allow him to step into a situation like PR and get along with people are the things that keep him from being an adventurous or exciting designer.  In any case, it’s not worth anger: it’s mostly just sad.  At some point, probably soon, the narrowness and mainstreamedness of his aesthetic will get him booted, and everyone will forget about him. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m a boomer myself, but I’m not locked and sealed into that identity. The world is a delight when we are open to the wisdom and fresh insight of all generations; otherwise, we stagnate. I’m disgusted by Bert’s attitude. It’s worse with each passing week. And, yet, I can’t help wondering if this is more of the Bunim-Murray manipulation of us.

  • Anonymous

    You guys are “knockin’ it out the park” with your PR posts. May I also commend you on the best contestant nicknames ever–Blenley(even though we now know she’s much nicer than her namesake), Clinique Counter and Dogblankets are awesome. A couple of things about Bert: many alcoholics, recovered or not, have trouble with short term memory loss. Of course he could just say, “I’m terrible with names.” but I think making nasty cracks is how he rolls. One thing I will say in Bert’s defense. I believe he thinks he should be more respected because of his age and experience. That was also iterated by Becky who tried to impress upon her team that she had experience in working with knits. Their fellow contestants don’t care about their experience. They were going to do their own thing. In my profession, the law, age and experience have always been valued but my collegues and I have noticed that this new generation of attorneys does not necessarily value  age or experience.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      this new generation doesnt value either age or experience in anything. it invented everything, if there even was anything that came before itself whatever it was was bad, & the reason it was bad was cos of hippies, just hippies.

      &, i suppose in order to sound less sour, let me define this new generation as including people my own age–which is, in fact, the same as the age of tLo, so we’re not talking just twenty year olds. we are talking awful, however.

      edited for grammar.

  • Lies L.

    Bert is a total asshole. Laura and AR didn’t deal with him in the best possible way, maybe, but dear God, he’s a trial. I agree they looked absolutely terrified of him, and his lying on the runway is just baffling. Why do the judges keep siding with him?! It’s obvious he is the problem, not his teammates.

    That said, I hope he stays on awhile longer, if only to see exactly how much assier he can get.

    • Anonymous

      It’s because his age is working for him on the runway, despite the general consensus that his age is working against him with the rest of the designers. I think it just hasn’t occurred to Heidi that Bert could be so petty and immature and just … appalling as to outright misrepresent (lie) on the runway like he’s doing. And I half think Nina and Michael might have noticed — Viktor did win this week, after failing with Bert, and Anthony Ryan in the past has won in a team challenge but failed with Bert – which is probably the final piece that kept Anthony Ryan in this week on top of everything else.

      • Lies L.

        I agree. I suspect Nina at least has an idea he’s problematic – but Heidi seems to believe in him no matter what he does. You’re probably right… it’s harder to believe somehow that a 50-something year old man is behaving like an asshole than that two 20-somethings might gang up on him for ageist reasons. Which is sad but probably true.

        • Anonymous

          Because Heidi is a good German girl brought up to respect her elders.   He’s like her Uncle Bert.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=688595909 Sue Tyler

    interesting that victor teamed with bert on a previous challenge won this time, with no fighting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=688595909 Sue Tyler

    interesting that victor teamed with bert on a previous challenge won this time, with no fighting.

  • Anonymous

    As someone who is close to Bert’s age I know how invisible one can be to people in their twenties.  It seems to me Anthony and Blenley went into this totally dismissing Bert.   It seems that he started off being insecure (and pretty newly sober), he reacted out of fear.  That said, Bert made a huge fool of himself, I agree, but I don’t think he was any worse than Ms. Clinique was in this episode.  

    • Anonymous

      Agreed 100% up until “he wasn’t any worse.”  Assuming it wasn’t some very adroit editing to separate sound & sight, his runway ‘cheer’ struck me as such a total lack of basic manners that it was worse. And he wasn’t in the midst of a high-emotion confrontation, he was up on a runway as much on display as one can get on this show.  To feel it is one thing, to act it out is another. (Maybe not in the eyes of an all-knowing Deity, but for pretty much all of the rest of us.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFW22QV426LUOEPGASPZJWJMDE MishaFoomin

    Hard to believe Anthony Ryan is the boyfriend of chipper, cheerful Kaynebow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002673395871 Roadkill Writer’s Camp

    Personality disorders, bad behavior and drama can’t trump the Butterick pattern talent at the root of the poor showing. If Anthony, for example, can’t navigate a little contretemps to turn out something way better than he did here, he is in deep and mediocre kimchi. Ditto Bert and Laura.  
     

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Bert really wants to be there any more than Cecilia did. His goal isn’t to win, it’s to be … pushed out of his comfort zone to design in new ways, which he’s clearly not doing. He presumably already has contacts to get a job. And he could give a shit about virtually all of the challenges. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      he’s almost sixty, he came from the era when HIV was not only incurable, but pretty much unstoppable. i doubt his contacts are as formidable as all that, after all that.

  • Anonymous

    So Bert’s btichy or nasty or whatever but I don’t think he’s acting so completely out of left field. It’s not like they’re all the Von Trapps and he’s suddenly the only one singing Metallica. They’re all craycray, whether pulling a Mean Girl and making him sit far away in the cafeteria or Clinique Queen acting like she’s Coco Chanel and invented fabric. At least Bert actually made something some reasonably rational person would wear and not some Shar Pei romper. Plus, the storyline this season is obviously edited to play up the whole “ageism” angle so I wouldn’t trust the veracity of what we see any father than I could throw it. 

  • Anonymous

    A group of twenty-somethings decided the old guy was difficult.  The usual group acting out of fear, turns on the different one.

  • Anonymous

    A group of twenty-somethings decided the old guy was difficult.  The usual group acting out of fear, turns on the different one.

    • Anonymous

      They decided the old guy was difficult based on a preponderance of evidence.

      • Lies L.

        Exactly. They decided the old guy was difficult… because the old guy has done nothing but be difficult almost since day 1. Age is no good reason to dislike someone, but it also isn’t a good reason to like someone. And Bert acted like an ass.

        • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

          They decided he was irrelevant before they knew anything about him at all. The contestants always size each other up, as Clinique did with Becky, but Bert was dismissed on sight.

  • Anonymous

    My feeling with the Bert runway act was that he was thinking, “See, Michael and Nina and Heidi, WE know the deal. Look at these little losers. So amateur.” Wink wink, nudge nudge. Bert has proclaimed himself the teacher’s pet because he is closer to the judges in age, perhaps. 

  • Anonymous

    My feeling with the Bert runway act was that he was thinking, “See, Michael and Nina and Heidi, WE know the deal. Look at these little losers. So amateur.” Wink wink, nudge nudge. Bert has proclaimed himself the teacher’s pet because he is closer to the judges in age, perhaps. 

  • Anonymous

    I read the posts before seeing the episode too.  Bert wasn’t nearly as bad as I was expecting.

  • Anonymous

    Bert’s not remembering names doesn’t strike me as awful because age does affect the recall of proper names even when it’s right there on the tip of the tongue.

    The bad thing is that he doesn’t say it’s his fault, he says the people don’t deserve having their names remembered.  See?  That’s pathetic and sad.   And arrogant.

  • Anonymous

    Bert’s work isn’t good enough to earn him a pass on his attitude.  I expect him to insult Tim before this is over.

    • Anonymous

      If he insults Tim, he’ll be dead to me. Am I right in thinking that’s what sent a lot of people over the edge with Kenley? Do not mess with The Gunn. The commentariat will cut you.

  • Anonymous

    I thought the same thing about the names – he couldn’t remember and didn’t want to sound like an old person so he just made shit up.   And since he was feeling so defensive, that’s what came out.  Unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t read thru the comments yet, and I’m sure other people have said this, but if these designers did their homework before coming on this show, they would have all know in any team challenge where they are paired with someone they do not want to be paired with to ask themselves “What Would Mondo Do?” In fact, in real life when we are paired with someone we don’t like, we should ALL ask that. I hope those two will not obsess about what Bert did and instead look at what they did (or didn’t do) and improve themselves. Bert was awful, there is no denying that, but I do think his defensive attitude and offensive actions were determined while they were sitting on that track and they were rejecting his input. Sure, with his age and his experience, he should know better and rise above it, but it is obvious at this point he is not that type of person and he holds a grudge. Let’s face it the best grudge-holders in the world are old people whose first thought is always “I am too old to put up with this shit.”

    LOL, actually, while Anthony and Laura were asking themselves WWMD?, Bert should have used the question WWPD — What Would Peach Do?

    I find it interesting that the supposed “failure” or “success” of the battling teams (Anthony & Josh) was due to the attitude of the “third wheels” (Bert & Becky).

    (I know I’m talking about another post, but I canNOT believe that statement made by the judges about Josh being a good leader because of his reasoning for choosing his team. Good grief. Good leader cannot only recognize what they need on a team, they need to be able to use them wisely and inspire them. A truly good leader in the real world keeps people working for them. If Josh treats people like that in the real world, he will never succeed because he is not that exceptional a design talent for people to want to put up with his crappy, mean-spirited, insincere charactor. I refuse to believe Nina and Michael are that stupid — geez, who doesn’t wish the DVD’s would include uneditted judging?).

    Back to this post (sorry, I got distracted), how the hell did the garment Anthony send down that runway not get him sent home . . . really? Seriously? That was awful. Simply awful, awful, awful. Awful. What since Santino’s exploding Turkey Skaters outfit has there been anything so awful (okay, I skipped over Vincent and the paper dress). But truly, this was so very awful. And I don’t think Anthony is as delusional as either Santino OR Vincent, so what can explain this?  What did that three yards of fabric ever do to Anthony to end up like this?

  • Anonymous

    I think that your comments about Bert are spot on.  About all of them.    I keep wondering why I was so disappointed that Bert has acted like an A #1 Turd (not even editing could have created that behavior on the runway), when I don’t really care if others act like asses. Clinique for example.   

    Each week I find myself holding my breath in anticipation of Bert being an asshole.   Why do I not want him to be one?  Why did I just hope from the beginning he would win?  I think it’s because I’m in my late 40′s and projected the anxiety about being older, out of fashion touch and so forth onto Bert, assuming he would feel, think and act like I would.   Well, as every good shrink knows, projection gets you no where.   I think I can see Bert for himself now, warts and all.   Bummer.  My little “Older Person Kicks Ass” Fantasy is ruined.   Now I wonder how long Bert will last? 

  • muzan-e

    I’m simply saying that you know where you stand with someone like Bert. It’s tiring to have to keep your eye on a Joshua M or a Viktor–who knows, maybe even an Anya–that might smile in your face and stab you in the back.

    Indeed. And I understand this is a matter of personal tastes – or perhaps just of personal experiences.  But in that respect I find that working with Bert is not unlike working for Nina Garcia: demanding personalities who know what they want and will detail it for you – immediately and without reserve.  I know how to please these people. It’s possible to please these people; the sticking point is simply that you have to be competent enough to fill their orders.

    A Joshua, though? I couldn’t tell you what he wanted. Becky thought that he wanted a designer. Anya might well have thought that he wanted a team-mate.  Anyone might credibly have thought that he wanted to work with two teammates to design three outfits suited to a pair of over-priced sneakers, but they’d all have been wrong. He wanted employees – a designer, a manufacturer – and even filling those roles competently wouldn’t have satisfied him.

    I’ll take an aggressive bastard over a smiling sadist. Extensive experience with the second has taught me to actively seek out the first. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/rosatcollege Ros Clarke

    I sort of think that Bert felt he’d won the competition when he won the first challenge and since then the whole thing has been beneath his dignity.  Sure he’s mean and unpleasane and I wouldn’t want to be on his team either.

    BUT.  Anthony and Laura have only themselves to blame for their horrible garments.  When it became clear that Bert wasn’t working with the team they needed to just let him do his thing and make the best possible clothes they could so that they would have something to stand up for on the runway.  Anthony was incredibly lucky to make it through to the next round with that monstrosity.

  • Anonymous

    I love this comment – but I don’t understand why I keep seeing it over and over again?  I must be insane?

    • Anonymous

      Ha!  Someone has a vendetta against Erin Wasson!

  • Anonymous

    And another thing.  Can we even TALK about a) Cecilia bagging it  b) The choice to call back Sweet Mormon Boy c) the Creepiness of Clinique and d) Anya who can’t sew for anything and who seems like a snake?   Bert makes me nuts but these others do too.  ARG!

  • Anonymous

    And another thing.  Can we even TALK about a) Cecilia bagging it  b) The choice to call back Sweet Mormon Boy c) the Creepiness of Clinique and d) Anya who can’t sew for anything and who seems like a snake?   Bert makes me nuts but these others do too.  ARG!

    • Anonymous

      Don’t worry.  They’ll get to that once they’re done dealing with that bitch Irene!

    • Anonymous

      Don’t worry.  They’ll get to that once they’re done dealing with that bitch Irene!

  • Alloy Jane

    THANK YOU TLO.  I had this giant comment on the Ben Hur with Scissors post yesterday that my stupid work internet would not let me post that said a lot of what you did in regards to Bert & Co.  First is my inability to understand why people think Bert’s behavior is excusable.  Because he’s old?  That makes him even more culpable for being an asshole.  As for Laura and AR banding together against him, it was a defense mechanism.  Like TLo stated, they were anticipating that he would be difficult and their attitude gave him an excuse to be just so.  Even still, they tried, but Bert is clearly the type of person that once affronted, he will not be assuaged.

    That said, I think Anthony should have gone home.  The pictures are even worse than I remember and that… romper, or whatever it is, is godawful. 
    To digress, I hold that Cecilia is not an asshole for leaving the show, she probably suffers from the biochemical imbalance known as DEPRESSION.  Seriously, she was down at the mouth from the very beginning and I can’t imagine she was prepared for PR to be as full of ridiculous bullshit as this season has been.  She seems to see everything as stupid and futile and I feel bad for her.  Hell, as disgusted as I am with Bert, I feel bad for him too.  He must really be miserable to be so volcanically hateful to his fellow competitors.  Miss Clinique, on the other hand, yeesh, what a sociopath.  I’m calling him Buffalo Bill from now on because I keep imagining him yelling to Becky, “It takes the needle and the thread, it does this when it’s told.  It sews the maxi dress for Anya or else it gets the hose again.  Yes it will, Anya, it will get the hose.” 

    • Anonymous

      Ha ha ha ha.
      Good analogy for Joshua. Now I cannot picture him without a doggy version of Anya in his arms.

  • Anonymous

    TLo,  I couldn’t agree with you more about Bert.  Some people are just extremely difficult. Just because you understand someone’s behavior doesn’t mean you have to like it or think it’s okay.  I felt bad for those kids on his team because he takes a heap of handling; that know how to do that usually comes after you’ve gained some hard won wisdom after many years in the workplace.
    Am I right in thinking that it was Sartre who said that hell is other people?

  • http://www.nahuli.blogspot.com Anonymous

    I couldn’t believe the cheering on the runway and that no one commented (or theydidnt show it anyway). Seems like something Heidi would jump at. If everyone doesn’t like you, one has to consider the common denominator in the situation – you!

  • Anonymous

    Bert crossed the line and fully became Dudley Dastardly, the cartoon villain this week.

  • Anonymous

    BTW, not buying the line that Anthony Ryan’s collective work is note worthy.  I’m still not over the ridiculous tank top that was topped with bricbrac.  All his other entries are pretty forgettable.

  • Anonymous

    I wanted to like Bert so much, because he had such a good initial impression. Since the second episode I’ve been on Team Barbie… I mean… Blenley though. She’s far, far nicer and less stupid (“are you speaking foreign?”) than I first thought.

    I don’t really care what’s wrong/not wrong with Bert, I just want him to go home. He’s one of several things dragging the show down.

  • Anonymous

    Well since we’re doing armchair diagnosis,….

    Dementia springs to mind. “I don’t remember their names because their not significant” was a huge red flag. It’s a horrible excuse, but it is an excuse. He has also had a couple of signs of Parkinsons, with his hand shaking and the blank look on his face. This also could have been caused by antipsychotic drugs.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      he’s not on haldol, for heavens sake.

      • Anonymous

        You don’t know that. And it doesn’t have to be now. And it doesn’t have to be Haldol.

        • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

          i do know that.
          & i know he’s not on prolixin or risperdal [probably spelled wrong] or any of them, nor is he having hallucinations or delusions. delusions of grandeur dont count & i dont even think he’s really having those. other than “dry drunk” i wouldnt begin to diagnose him, nor do i think anyone could or should, from watching four hours of television during which he played a small role.

          as an aside, i know all this cos my mother was a classically trained analyst & i was her assistant for many years. how do you know all about psych meds? dude.

          • Anonymous

            No, you still DON’T know that.

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            very glad you know what i dont know.
            curious, that.

  • Rachel Goldstein

    That was my main thought– their youth was showing. Older folks would have worked with plenty of a-holes and figured out how to play with them. And maybe this is why Bert gets some slack– it seems like if someone would just tease him, cajole, get him laughing, or whatever, he’d chill out a bit and be fine. I’m not saying he was not a total dick. But if you play him right, he’s probably tolerable or better. Laura and AR looked positively devastated on that runway. And AR’s outfit was shocking. Just disaster all around for this team. Poor babies!

  • BuffaloBarbara

    Okay, full Bert-A.R.-Laura comment.

    I don’t really see Anthony and Laura looking intimidated or scared, but I do see them as people who’ve been given reason not to want to work with someone.  The editing has two possibilities: Either they’ve picked the worst moments to present Bert as a cartoon villain, or they’ve cut out a bunch of things that the other designers all saw, and what we see is the tip of the iceberg. (Almost typed “Icebert.”)

    I suspect the age thing would be a little hard to deal with.  There are plenty of younger people in a field who think they’re going to revolutionize everything, and consider older people in power something they have to deal with and wait out, not learn from, and older people not in power as totally irrelevant.  But this is more than that kind of behavior.  That was what we saw from Josh toward Becky–”You’re irrelevant, shut up and sew.”  The behavior of Anthony and Laura seemed directed at Bert specifically.

    I can see wanting to play the game for the challenge to his design skills–if I could sew and draw patterns, I’d probably try it, too.  FROM HOME.  Because I’d be no use to anyone on a reality show.  If what you want is the challenge, then there’s nothing stopping anyone from doing it.  There are a few blogs like this already.  Sounds fun if you’ve got the skills.  But if you go on the show specifically to be challenged by silly hoops to jump through, DON’T COMPLAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH SILLY HOOPS.

    • scottyf

      OMG thanks for the link to Project Project Runway! What an inspired idea! And there are some impressive outfits.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I know, right?  I may learn to sew just to play along next year!  I love the stilt ones; one of the designers pointed out that Barbie dolls already look like stiltwalkers in their natural form.  And most of the doll outfits were better–I can’t wait to see what they come up with for the sneaker challenge.   (Though that will be hard with Barbie’s molded high-heel feet!)

  • Scott

    I’d pretty much stopped liking Bert a while ago, but when he did his little fist pump at the criticism of Laura, I was D-O-N-E done with him.

    He wants to act like he as all this experience because of his age, but the thing is, he /doesn’t/- he was a designer back in the day, and then he *stopped* for twenty years or whatever. So you put the first buckle on a hat in 1620… what have you done for me lately?

  • Geno Boggiatto

    I think it’s easy for us sitting at home to look at Laura and A.R. and say “they should have handled it differently.” But think about it – you’re suddenly paired with this petulant turd, who you’ve seen act poorly in team challenges and seen him turn in outfits that show bad instincts (minus the first outfit, but even then I think some other outfits were more win-worthy) – as a team leader I think I would think “Shit, I need to take charge and push my vision because I think it’s the way to go.” Factor in the stress of the competition, I honestly don’t know that I wouldn’t have not been as dismissive of Bert, simply for fear that letting him take over would get me sent home. I mean look at him in the stilt-walker challenge.

    I almost think that they were trying too hard to be accommodating to him. They could have theoretically been even bigger bitches and let him do his thing while they did theirs, and even if their outfits wouldn’t have been cohesive the two of them could have at least had good garments to defend. It seemed like to me that they were checking in on him and genuinely trying once they figured out that he was being a poop. Unfortunately the two didn’t bring good outfits so all their fighting was in vain.

    Boy, this is quite a comment. I suppose it could be condensed to: Bert’s a poop, I think Anthony Ryan & Lauren ended up really trying to work with him but BERT was the dismissive one. For the oldest person in the competition, he really needs to grow up.

  • Anonymous

    “Quite Possibly on of the worst garments in the history of the show”???? IMO, this IS the worst garment in the hstory of the show, that was my first thought immediately upon seeing that horror. I liked Bert’s outfit, Laura’s is meh, did she actually say that the vest looked great?? LOL. I still think Anthony Ryan should have gone, this was 10,000x more disastrous that Danielle’s, which can be saved, this has no chance.

    • Anonymous
      • Anonymous

        Yes, I think worse than all of those.  Because, while they are ALL
        *Buttfugly*, they all have elements of design gone horribly wrong. 
        While that is bad, it is still FAR BETTER than simply hideous, poorly
        made and undesigned.  The very worst designed garment in the world is
        better than thrown-together-shit, which is all Anthony’s is.

        • BuffaloBarbara

          I’m not sure that it’s worse than the horrible horoscope couture one–that one still makes me go EEEP; it’s a unitard with balls of fabric stuck on it in the least flattering way possible.  But other than that one, I tend to agree.  A.R.’s was worse because it wasn’t a design gone wrong; it just wasn’t a design, as far as I can tell.  It’s like a a folded sheet with a belt and a couple of stitches at the crotch.

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            blayne’s, oh blayne’s. whenever i wanna laugh about something, doesnt even have to be project runway, i can always bring blayne’s neon bubble poop to mind. it’s a good thing.
            {i know he made it w/ the {undoubtedly appalled} assistance of stella, but it will always be just blayne’s to me.} i do think it is the worst thing i’ve seen on PR. i think it’s one of the worst things i’ve seen anywhere. but it has enough personality & style to be something other than ghastly. it’s memorable, at least.

            then again, i also remember his giant kotex. oh heavens, he was great.

            this thing by anthony, otoh, has none of that. there isnt even any inadvertent joy to it. it’s a badly done retread of some 80s sportswear that was badly done in the first place. i mean, this isnt even in teal or pink. it’s in 80s accent grey. uck.

            not memorable, not good. still i wouldnt have sent him home, i wouldnt have sent danielle home. i woulda used my version of a get outta jail free card &, once in my lifetime done something that lacked artistic justification & sent the man in the makeup home. & only if i couldnt have sent him Off Of My World Entirely.

          • Anonymous

            OMG, edi. I’ve never seen Blayne’s  country-bedazzled sanitary napkin before. That’s a thing of… insane, delusional beauty? I don’t even know. But it made me laugh out loud.

          • Anonymous

            This is your first time seeing “Girlicious” (yes, he gave it a name)? You’ve been deprived! It’s a classic Project Runway horror.

            Wait, does this mean you’ve also never seen Jerry Tam’s raincoat for axe murderers?

          • Anonymous

            That’s right. I’ve ever seen “Girlicious” before. And I don’t even know who Jerry Tam is, let alone  seen the Raincoat for Axe Murderers.

            Blayne was in season 5, wasn’t he? I’ve only seen the last half (at the most) of season 5. And now I feel like I’ve missed some important things in Project Runway-ology.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, that would explain it. 

            Yes, Blayne was in Season 5 and that was his magnificently bad entry in the very first challenge. Jerry Tam was also in Season 5 (oh so very briefly) and his entry in the same challenge was this:
            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FW86_jO7k_A/Sbpo7Or42RI/AAAAAAAA6XE/V1PHee–JqM/s1600-h/11.jpg

            To be (somewhat) fair, it was an unconventional materials challenge.

          • Anonymous

            Oh my. That’s…uuuh…disturbing to say the least.

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            it’s my very favorite.
            blayne’s whole ouvre, if you will, is something to see.
            i have searched it out via this website, i was not disappointed.
            his stuff after the show has actually been a lot better than a lot of the post-show stuff by many other PR people who, lets say, seemed to have more promise. not as memorable as his showwork, sadly, but–amazingly–both wearable & halfway decent.

          • BuffaloBarbara

            I think I’ve mentally blocked that one.  I remember the horoscope challenge, but I don’t remember one about making large scale feminine hygiene products…

        • Anonymous

          I can respect that idea, although “thrown-together-shit” sounds like an exact description of Wendy’s… I don’t know that that garment has a name – or is a garment. In that vein, though, I think Sweet P’s menswear look would actually be worse than Anthony’s in this challenge, what with being a generic-men’s-dress-shirt-as-sewn-by-a-5-year-old and a tie made for Robert Wadlow – but that might not be a fair comparison.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GQIN74TNNQROY5JFPOWWBGJWEM andy

            Here’s the thing, Anthony’s design isn’t a failure when it comes to function. Bert’s is. You could exercise in that romper, but there’s no way in hell you could move in a tailored cocktail ensemble. Bert wins on aesthetic, Anthony on functionality.

            Function follows form?

        • Anonymous

          I agree.
          Out of those five pictures, only one was a “regular” material challenge. The other ones are unconventionnal material challenges, and those challenges mostly end up producing ugly garments.
          Like AR said, he was too busy fighting Bert and worrying about him (and wondering why did he run so fast, damnit !) to concentrate on the challenge. Too much energy wasted.

          • Anonymous

            Two. Despite Keith Michael’s comments, Angela’s was not actually made from a bag of Skittles.

          • Anonymous

            you’re right. I’ve been misguided by the fleurchon.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

      • Anonymous

        Oh my gosh, as pd said, yes x 5.  Finally thought of what AR’s outfit reminds me of – my 7th grade gymsuit.  I suppose he gets points because that outfit WAS supposed to be worn with sneakers; however, girl’s gymsuits of that era were crimes against humanity.  Nearly every girl realized that by the second day we had PE, if not before, and forever therafter, the offending garment was “in the laundry” on gym day.

      • sarah jacobs

        Bert began the session sketching several ideas that were all shot down with nary a look.
        It could be that I’m 50 and have had to put up with art schook dink heads who think that they are cooler and more creative than i am because they are currently in art school… Sometimes kids in art school are actually deeply creative..and sometimes they are posers who dress cute…Clearly in this case…the cute art school types couldn’t deliver.

        bert asked to use the knit fabric…he asked for them to buy it when they were at Mood and they just blew him off. he made do with materials that were not of his choosing and produced a wearable cute garment…they did their best to make him feel;like a useless old guy ad he produced something wearable.

  • Geno Boggiatto

    Oh and also I don’t know that you can blame editing for him looking like a mean guy. I mean, even if the clips they showed of him were the only mean things he said, they’re STILL really mean on their own!!! Come on, not remembering peoples’ names because he doesn’t think they’re significant? Now that’s just plain rude!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t see the first half of this episode so can’t comment on anyone’s behavior. I liked Bert’s outfit though. He figured out what to do with that awful fabric for a top and made it look great. The other two looks were really, really terrible. And Bert isn’t a favorite contestant personality wise, but I like the clean and simple lines of his designs, and he knows how to make a woman’s body look good. Not many of the other designers can make that claim.  

  • Anonymous

    When, Ms. “I completely like forgot like my agent like  booked me this gig so like I had to roll out of bed and like hail a cab all like in five minutes”, Erin Wasson, stated that the model wearing Anthony Ryan’s get-up had to be feeling sad and disappointed, I kinda wanted to say well, actually I did say/shouted at the television screen, STFU! Before I even go into what a piece of crapness mess this was…”the model must had felt sad and disappointed to have to wear this doo doo”?? Am I wrong, but isn’t that the exact job description of a model? To wear whatever crappola is thrown at you and to work it like its your favorite  corner. I was too through with Ms. E. Wasson. Although, not only did Anthony  design a pretty sad,depressing garbage bag romper, he managed to also style his model with same motif. WTF is going on with the oily looking hair and no make-up?! She does look sad  and depressed. Poor thang, I just wanted to hug her and reassure her that Anthony would  be “dealt” with ( I would lock him in a room alone with Ms. Bert for an hour) for making her wear this cray cray camel toe/ass psycho baby romper.  So, Ms. E. Wasson I take what I said back, you were right in your sad/depressed assessment.  I stand corrected…this time. Ooooh,  do me a fav, wash your hair and ditch the P.J.’s.  
    Girlfriend, I don’t know you from nothing, but I know you’re better than this! Own, that you’re pretty, blessed with great genes and do better than this, it is an insult to mere mortals.
    Also, as for the “Bert Situation”, none of us really know what is behind Bert’s strange, angry, defensive way he approaches every situation. We don’t know. But I think T Lo addressed something more important which is, due to a generation gap, the children in the PR workroom don’t have the life experience under their belt to deal with the Bert’s of the world. It’s a skill acquired through living in different places, job changes, life changing events,ups, downs, life. These children are at the beginning. You need to be approaching the middle or in the middle, to get how to deal with the Bert’s of the world. T Lo got that one absolutely right. 

  • Anonymous

    Wrong place for this comment – sorry! Moved!

  • Judy Raddue

    Yes, Bert was a total shit – and juvenile on the runway, to boot… Still, at least as the show was edited, I was far more appalled by Joshua’s treatment of Becky.  He and Anya fell all over each other, leaving Becky as Cinderella.  At least Anthony left Bert to create his own outfit.  Becky was dismissed as not even being worth a design.

  • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

    i was w/ you until you said they were intimidated by him. they werent. they were popular kids teamed w/ the unpopular kid & trying to gain popularity traction by being as outwardly & dramatically disgusted w/ this as possible.

    i dont see bert behaving the same way were he teamed w/ becky, say, or even kimberley. or danielle. i would add bryce, but bryce is trying to gain entrance as a cliquemember. he’s one of the ones who woulda sat right next to gretchen & fetched her tea while trying to touch her hair. before he left the next week.

    & i dont see evidence that everyone hates him. i see either one huge sick clique or two slightly smaller sick cliques battling one another for power, w/ everyone else on the outside. & i see interviews w/ clique members in which they each state how much everyone hates bert.

    these are the nastiest competitors i have ever seen on this show. i mean: bert’s crotchety, yes, but i dont wanna skin him alive. he has the arrogance of age, okay, but it’s amidst the arrogance of youth. none of it’s good. but i wouldnt single him out, not hardly.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W2TEQZSVIPT37PDZSC4RUESFCY Androidanon

    Eh, forget department store design wear, ladies, we’re entering JCPenny/Marshalls arena — the horror.

  • Anonymous

    MAYBE Anya?!  Oh dear, your TV really does need an adjustment.

  • Anonymous

    Bert sadly is as childish as the other two in this team challenge gone awry.  I ended up not liking any of them at the end, Bert the least of them.  I was in his corner to do well on PR (as another person some age) but after the go around with Hissing Viktor, I saw that he lacked the basic courage to own up to and stand behind his choices in front of the judges, in addition to being dictatorial and rude.  I was off team Bert.  What a sour apple he is.   

  • Anonymous

    I don’t hate Bert. His behavior is completely indefensible and wrong, but I am mostly indifferent to him at this point, and perhaps I feel a little sorry for him. He is one of the only designers who put out anything decent in this challenge, but, as you say, the bar is pretty low right now. If he is in the final three, I wouldn’t complain.

    I reserve my full hate for Josh M, for his treatment of Becky as a servant. Even if he is playing a character for the sake of more camera time, the character is despicable and his designs are not all that. I want him gone and I want Becky in the final three.

    • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

      what i’d really like to know is why he & anya, together, got name credit on the amazon website for the thing that won–when becky is the person who made the pattern, sewed the dress & even added josh’s insistent {later removed} trim. other than anya’s “make a maxi w/ a t-strap back, please” it was pretty much all becky, & becky got nothing. 

      • Anonymous

        That’s okay, Heidi’s version of it isn’t going to sell like bagels.

        • Anonymous

          Hotcakes! That’s hotcakes, Mrs. Seal.  =^)

      • Toto Maya

        I think Becky is lucky not to have her name attached to that piece of crap. I saw it and it’s hideous and has no design. The fact that they credited two designers, meaning it took TWO people to think that up, is laughable.

  • Anonymous

    I like your hair Bert. How do you manage to keep it so perfect when we are so rushed in the mornings?

    • Anonymous

      Maybe he puts it on in the morning and takes it off at night.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not getting your comment that Bert’s been “a Grade A asshole EVERY week so far” given how many of us were on Team Bert after his win the first week and even after week 2 when he used his immunity to avoid doing a “glue crap on muslin” or some variation of a primary school craft project. I wouldn’t even classify that as being an asshole given that his aesthetic is very simple clean cut lines. I can’t recall seeing much of him in the Nina challenge. Yes, I’ll give you he was an asshole in the pair and team challenges but it was obvious that his partners weren’t playing too nicely either. I’d be interested to see how he works with Kimberly or Becky.

    • Anonymous

      He’s worked with Viktor, who barely lived through it. He’s worked with Anthony Ryan, who unbelievably wasn’t offed. And Laura. And he lit into Josh Clinque Counter. But you still want to see if he works well with … Kimberly or Becky. See, I don’t think he’d work well with even Precious Moments Olivier.

      • Anonymous

        Well, we have no way of knowing, do we? Whether he would get along with Kimberly, Becky, Anya, Cecelia, Danielle, Fallene, Julie, Uncle Fester Josh Part Deux, or Oliver, I mean. We didn’t see him interact with any of them or any of them act hostile toward Bert, as far as I can recall. Both Victor and Anthony Ryan pitched hissies to even be on a team with Bert, well before they were actually attempting (or not attempting) to work with Bert. We don’t know why. Had they had scissors or sewing machine or beer-in-the-weave run-ins before being paired? Was Victor as much of a dick as he seemed to be in the first team challenge when he made it so very clear he was annoyed to be paired with Bert or did he have some reason we don’t know about? I dunno. But it was very odd to me that Victor, Anthony Ryan and one other person… Maybe Permatan Josh? Or maybe Bryce? Whoever. Anyway, after they ran the silly race, I think two of them, with one being Anthony Ryan, said I DO NOT WANT THAT OLD ANNOYING GUY BERT. I’m assuming that was based on solidarity with Victor, who also did not want him and was immature enough to be crystal clear about that and, in fact, acted all put out that he had to be with Bert before he was with Bert. Laura or Lisa or Lulu or whatever her name is (look what an asshole I am not to remember the pretty blonde chick’s name) fell in with the dominant Mean Girl Anthony Ryan and decided she didn’t want Bert, either. After all, she and AR got along fine when they were a team of two pretty, pretty people. Why let the old ugly guy rain on their pretty parade? Victor behaved himself in this episode, but he clearly did not in the other one. And Becky got along fine with Kimberly for the stilts challenge, but then Permatan and Anya (going along with Permatan because she agreed with him that Becky was dowdy, or did she really just need somebody to sew her stuff, so she couldn’t afford to disagree?) decidedly did NOT get along with Becky.

        I think it’s pretty obvious that if you are assigned to a team that is hostile to you from the get-go, some position between Bert (“These people don’t matter to me and I am not going to pretend that they do or budge one iota.”) and Becky (OMG, y’all, they want me as a seamstress, not a designer! That sucks. But, you know, I better get to sewing.) is most destined for success. But I wouldn’t have blamed either Bert or Becky for telling Permatan and One Ball to go piss up a rope.

        • Anonymous

          So true, all of it. I’ve spent a good part of the day catching up with this thread (on and off), and I really want to know how things went down when they all first met each other. Did he actually offend every other designer, or was it just Viktor and Anthony Ryan, and the others are now taking sides with them? What was it that offended them? We have no idea if they all blew him off upon meeting him, if he managed to alienate all of them directly. At least during Kara Saun’s shoe deal and Laura B. accusing Jeffrey of not sewing his own final collection, we had a pretty good notion of what happened. We don’t with this. It’s all speculation.

          And just because I haven’t had an opportunity to mention it anywhere else, I about wanted to barf when Laura ran up to Anthony Ryan after judging, crying about how awful, awful awful, just so very, very awful  it all was. Jesus, you weren’t held at gunpoint for five days. I understand it was stressful and it sucked, and crying isn’t entirely unwarranted, but get a grip, girl.

        • Anonymous

          Someone may already have mentioned this in the comments, but we do have some way of knowing how the other designer’s feel about Bert, but I’m not sure whether this raises more questions than it answers:
          http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/project-runway/video/designer-video-blogs/season-9/episode-2/everybody-hates-bert

          That was posted after Episode 2, and mostly seems to be early impressions – and of course, it’s all arranged by the producers to set up a story arc of the season.

          There was also a “Designer’s First Impressions” video which has a couple of comments about Bert toward the end:
          http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/project-runway/video/season-9/episode-1/designers-first-impressions-episode-1

          (Hopefully those links work correctly.)

          • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

            thank you for posting the links.
            i really liked watching the first tape.
            i think it clarifies who he is for people who have only seen him on the show.
            that doesnt mean that it makes him look good.
            it just makes him look less divisively one note.

            i dont really have that much of an opinion on him, other than to note that i do think he’s, no question, one of the better designers this season. a few of the other designers make me so nuts that he & his crotchetycrazy personality just fade into the background.

  • http://profiles.google.com/hawkeye1978 Kristin Hanson

    I think the commentariat had the assumption that Bert would be the Gordana Gelhausen of this season, and many folks are just not willing to let that idea go.  Personally, I’m over Bert.  I cheered for him the first week, but he’s been so nasty since then, I just don’t have any good will left.  I cringe whenever he appears on my screen.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

    agree

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6BDDQFF22SPECYW2E7EH3KP7D4 Evergreen G

    I don’t understand the viewers who state that they thought they were going to be on Team Bert because of his back story and his age. Come on, create an image of a guy because of his tragic past and his fashion experience, then expect him not be human so that he can conform to an ideal that is not entirely the true person he represents. I say Bert is just being true to himself and is showing his personality without giving any excuses for it. He makes for good reality TV and I don’t see him being auffed anytime when these young quessn around him keep making disastrpus garments. It’s a competition, every one on the show has been on game face and Bert is no exceptiokon.

  • http://twitter.com/hillaryblock Hillary Block

    i am so sick of the bullshit about the midwest. there’s more to the world than new york and LA. just because i don’t live next to the coast doesn’t mean i can’t have style. just because i can’t see the ocean out my $9 trillion studio apartment doesn’t mean that i’m a one-toothed hillbilly that wears overalls and has an 80s perm. shut the hell up all ready and get over yourself. the midwest isn’t the shithole of style it’s made out to be by dinosaurs and stuck up bitches who haven’t ever worked for themselves or had to scrimp together every penny just to buy a pair of jeans that fit. SHUT THE HELL UP

    • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

            Aside from some of the language employed, I absolutely agree with you. Beauty, class, and sophistication can be cultivated anywhere, by anyone! Good manners and etiquette can be learned by practice, personal style is born out of ingenuity and fearlessness. Big cities have greater ease of access to a wide array of cultural activities, that’s true, but there are many, many people in them who don’t (or aren’t able to) take advantage of them.
            I’m a Midwesterner myself, but I took it upon myself to be the type of person that can get along anywhere on the planet, if I’m in Dublin, or in the French countryside, or Tokyo, or here in Michigan. Geography absolutely does not define a person, only their attitude and way of presenting themselves does. Sophistication is universal, and being cosmopolitan isn’t exclusive to being raised in a city with a huge population.

      • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

        I miss the midwest so much it hurts.  Had four beautiful years there in college, met the greatest friends of my life and am currently (as A New York Girl, no less) researching places to retire, in the midwest.  I agree with all but have to ditto pinup ghoul – minus the language.  It dilutes the message, which is absolutely correct.  People are really friendly in the midwest, have great values, know how to appreciate what they have, and treat each other with respect and kindness.  Returning to NY almost killed me, except for those 8 weeks after 9/11 when everyone acted like humans.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Not only that, but I live in the Midwest — in CHICAGO.  You know, the 3rd largest city in the country?  With some of the most beautiful architecture in the world?  (And I will be happy to debate that point with anyone, anywhere — it’s a beautiful city)  Including the second largest department store in the freaking WORLD!  And I will tell you now, if you walk down Michigan Avenue, you will see far more style than in a lot of coastal areas.  I mean, it’s not like every inch of the coast is so stylish and cosmopolitan — there are plenty of podunk areas in Virgina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida.  Let’s not forget that GRETCHEN was from the West Coast, so let’s not pretend that every coastal designer is a genius. 

      I love the coasts, don’t get me wrong.  Both of them — there are a lot of great points, and many brilliant designers.  But the same people who slam the Midwest in favor of the coasts, would be pissed as all hell to hear Parisians slam NY or LA designers.

      • Anonymous

        Chicago is absolutely beautiful. I take the train up there every other year and greatly enjoy it. But, just remember – there are 3 coasts in the US – Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf! The Redneck Riviera needs love, too.

      • Anonymous

        Just to be clear, Gretchen is from rural Colorado and then moved to Portland. Basically everyone who has been on the show and credited as from Portland are transplants, and usually recent transplants. To be fair, you can be a transplant from anywhere to anywhere and fit in great – Uli is an example of that. And outside of Portland proper, Oregon is pretty podunk.

      • http://twitter.com/pinup_ghoul Pinup Ghoul

        Chicago has the Lyric Opera, which is, to this day, one of my favorite places ever. It’s also THE place to go if you want to learn how to dress impeccably in freezing weather. It’s my favorite city, really.

  • Anonymous

    Anthony’s romper looks and fits so horribly because he just took a dress and sewed the crotch shut on the skirt. The demonstrates why pants can be so hard to fit – they’re not just a skirt with the crotch sewn shut. There’s a lot of shaping and everyone’s butt/crotch is different.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KNCDLFWOGT7NRR6NKQQXCMGJYE Bebe

    I love you guys and faithfully read you every week. This is the first time I’ve been moved to respond to one of your posts. I cannot disagree with you more!!
     
    I’ll say what I just said on TWoP.  I wasn’t too sure after the previous couple of weeks, but after Thursday’s show I’m firmly back on Team Bert. Yes, he’s an irrascible old fart sometimes, but the man can sew and he can design and so far not one of the “youngersters” has acted as if has anything whatsoever to offer. I don’t blame him for being an ass. When he was picked last for the teams, he sat right down and fired off several quick sketches and showed them to his team. They dismissed him completely with barely a glance. They didn’t include him in the design process at all and completely ignored him. Should they be surprised when he then ignores them and designs whatever the hell he wants to design?? And considering the piles of steaming crap AR and whatsherface came up with, he was wise to stay far, far away from it.As for who was lying, I *never* heard Anthony Ryan tell Bert his design looked like a cocktail waitress. And if it had been said, you know the editor monkeys would have shown it immediately after Bert said “no you didn’t.” Did Bert show bad form by grinning and bouncing up and down with happiness when the judges said Bert’s was the only good design up there and then tore into AR and (what *is* her name, anyway?) for their craptacular offerings? Yep. And I don’t blame him at all. They’d both just spent several minutes ripping Bert’s design to shreds and their comeuppance was beautiful. I was taken aback when Bert said he didn’t bother to remember names because no one was worth knowing but then I thought about what he said to AR and blond chick about how they treated him, that they’d laughed off his suggestions. And I thought about Victor’s visibly upset response when teamed with Bert and how, from the way Bert and Becky were treated in this last episode, the designers seem to think that anyone over 35 should just curl up and die and get out of everybody’s way and I thought, maybe he has a reason to think these people aren’t worth knowing. I’d like to see how he and Becky got along…I don’t know if they started treating Bert like crap because he’s a gumpy old man or if he’s a grumpy old man because they treat him like crap. Then again, I don’t really care. The older I get, the less patience I have with people’s crap, so I’m automatically sympathetic to Bert.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KNCDLFWOGT7NRR6NKQQXCMGJYE Bebe

    I love you guys and faithfully read you every week. This is the first time I’ve been moved to respond to one of your posts. I cannot disagree with you more!!
     
    I’ll say what I just said on TWoP.  I wasn’t too sure after the previous couple of weeks, but after Thursday’s show I’m firmly back on Team Bert. Yes, he’s an irrascible old fart sometimes, but the man can sew and he can design and so far not one of the “youngersters” has acted as if has anything whatsoever to offer. I don’t blame him for being an ass. When he was picked last for the teams, he sat right down and fired off several quick sketches and showed them to his team. They dismissed him completely with barely a glance. They didn’t include him in the design process at all and completely ignored him. Should they be surprised when he then ignores them and designs whatever the hell he wants to design?? And considering the piles of steaming crap AR and whatsherface came up with, he was wise to stay far, far away from it.As for who was lying, I *never* heard Anthony Ryan tell Bert his design looked like a cocktail waitress. And if it had been said, you know the editor monkeys would have shown it immediately after Bert said “no you didn’t.” Did Bert show bad form by grinning and bouncing up and down with happiness when the judges said Bert’s was the only good design up there and then tore into AR and (what *is* her name, anyway?) for their craptacular offerings? Yep. And I don’t blame him at all. They’d both just spent several minutes ripping Bert’s design to shreds and their comeuppance was beautiful. I was taken aback when Bert said he didn’t bother to remember names because no one was worth knowing but then I thought about what he said to AR and blond chick about how they treated him, that they’d laughed off his suggestions. And I thought about Victor’s visibly upset response when teamed with Bert and how, from the way Bert and Becky were treated in this last episode, the designers seem to think that anyone over 35 should just curl up and die and get out of everybody’s way and I thought, maybe he has a reason to think these people aren’t worth knowing. I’d like to see how he and Becky got along…I don’t know if they started treating Bert like crap because he’s a gumpy old man or if he’s a grumpy old man because they treat him like crap. Then again, I don’t really care. The older I get, the less patience I have with people’s crap, so I’m automatically sympathetic to Bert.

  • http://twitter.com/shinobi42 Shinobi

    I have a hard time with names too.  In fact what Bert is doing on this show is liek THE reason I would never go for a reality show.  I constantly get people mixed up when I first meet them, especially if they are like, similar in any way.  2 skinny white guys with short hair, I am never going to keep them straight. However Bert’s handling of it is terrible.  It isn’t other people’s fault that I suck at names.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Yeah, I don’t care if he has issues with people’s names — lots of people do.  But don’t make it about how they don’t matter.  That’s a cheap cop-out because his memory sucks.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Yeah, I don’t care if he has issues with people’s names — lots of people do.  But don’t make it about how they don’t matter.  That’s a cheap cop-out because his memory sucks.

    • http://profiles.google.com/shannonlstewart Shannon Stewart

      Yeah, I don’t care if he has issues with people’s names — lots of people do.  But don’t make it about how they don’t matter.  That’s a cheap cop-out because his memory sucks.

  • http://twitter.com/drnels Nels P. Highberg

    Bert reminds me of Kathy Bates in “Fried Green Tomatoes,” just ramming himself into the young’uns while saying, “I’m older, and I’ve got more insurance.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BEV2WB3MZRJHA4KD5DK4QY6FQQ Dinah

    Regardless of any personal dynamics or personalities, and keeping this comment about the clothes and teamwork elements of the challenge…  

    Someone from this team should have gone home.   Bert needed a drapey fabric and one was available — why didn’t he use that black fabric Anthony embarrassed into that jumpsuit?  Then Bert could have had the drapey top he wanted and used the blue print for the skirt.  

    Also, Laura should have used that black fabric Bert used for the skirt for her shorts or she could have made the cigarette pants that she suggested to Bert. Her shorts were tacky.  Black shorts might have made more sense with the black straps on the back of her top. She should have ditched the vest entirely and given it to Anthony to base a third look around. 

    No one on this team worked together, or seemed to even just think about their own designs very much.  They performed poorly as a group and failed as a group.  It’s not one person’s fault but I would have sent Anthony Ryan home for that mess he sent an unlucky model down the runway in.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PRM766RS56X25A5742XLACK2LM Sam

    I just had to comment again. I would love, love, love to see a challenge where he was paired up with someone who’s first response wasn’t “Crap, I got stuck with the old guy.”
    Maybe Becky?

    • Lies L.

      I’d be very curious about that too… but I’m beginning to suspect he would act like an ass then as well.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I’ll take that bet.  I’m guessing he’d immediately decide she didn’t want to work with a gay guy, start treating her like shit, tell her shut up and sew because he knew best, and then have a tantrum if she disagreed.

      • BuffaloBarbara

        I’ll take that bet.  I’m guessing he’d immediately decide she didn’t want to work with a gay guy, start treating her like shit, tell her shut up and sew because he knew best, and then have a tantrum if she disagreed.

    • Anonymous

      No! Not more team challenges!

      I’m willing to forgo team challenge drama in order to see more of who these people are as individual designers.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BEV2WB3MZRJHA4KD5DK4QY6FQQ Dinah

      I can’t do the whole armchair diagnosis, but I think if he were approached with respect in the beginning (like ANYone should be, honestly) his personality would reflect it.  I think Bert could work well with a few designers.  Kimberley even and probably Danielle were she still here — folks with some people skills who aren’t going to drive drama and start conflict.  I even think Laura would have been fine with him one-on-one, but she was buying into the clique’s preconceived notions of Bert and immediately sided with Anthony who didn’t want him from the get-go. 

      Also, I think Bert is craftier than he’s being given credit for.  The problem with him in a group challenge is that once he is offended, he writes you off as a person and only gives the tiniest amount of collaboration necessary to complete the task.  I think he knowingly sabotaged Laura and Anthony.  He knew early on their looks were crap (which is why he chose to distance himself from the group aesthetic, am I the only one who saw that?) and he certainly could have helped Anthony sew his dress into something presentable. Yet, Bert just let them get on about being subpar when all his suggestions were snubbed and they didn’t get him the fabric he wanted.  

      The only person I remember Bert saying he didn’t want to work with was Victor again (tho I recall him saying he didn’t have a lot in common with all).  Also, he said nice things about Falene (that she was sweet and Josh was picking on her) so he does seem to have some sympathy/compassion for others.    

  • Anonymous

    I am coming to this way too late to say anything other than that editing or not, Bert went over the line this week from needing to remember his manners to making me think he just doesn’t have any.

    (dry drunk rings more true to me than autism spectrum, but whatever – he’s got issues and he either can’t see or doesn’t care that he treats others in a way he would find intolerably if someone treated him thusly.)

  • Anonymous

    I am not going to partake in the Anthony vs Bert vs JoshM vs Becky debate because I don’t know which is worse, the bitchiness on the show or in the comments.  Call me cracky but I still love this show.  I watch week after week hoping to see amazing creativity.  Sure there is less of it as the years go on, but is it possible that there are 20 brilliant undiscovered designers each year in the US?  Not likely.  That said, there isn’t much else on that competes.  The fashion Show turned out to be a big snooze fest with even uglier designs.  At least PR still has Nina and MK.  Maybe it’s time for Tim-caps.  That’s sure to make all the minions happy. 

  • http://twitter.com/karenwalsh Karen Walsh

    Yep, Bert acted like the a jerk and the whippersnappers did not deal with him well.  Result = crap.  I agree that Anthony’s work was his own fault.  The worst I’ve ever seen!  That just shows how easily he falls apart.  Not a good sign for the long haul.  Queen Bert could outlast him for that very reason. 

  • pacconci

    I have read and written WAY too much on this issue, but I have to share my sense of it one more time: I think the dilemma we have here is akin to the old chicken and egg question: Are marginalized people crabby because they are excluded, or are they excluded because the “ins” perceive them as crabby? I didn’t see Bert “acting like an asshole” until he was mistreated or challenged, so, actually, he was “REacting as an asshole”. I was surprised to read you thought Bert’s behavior was worse than Clinique’s. What behavior did Becky direct toward the Painted One that inspired his loathsome treatment of her? Clinique took the initiative with Becky, but Bert behaved badly because his fellow designers dissed out of hand every one of his early attempts to collaborate.

    In my own life I have had it both ways– some groups ostracize me for whatever reason and others not only accept me, but often ask me to take positions of leadership. I am the same person, but the people treat me differently. Am I more likely to engage in less friendly behavior around the those people who pushed me away first? What do you think?

  • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.eric.hill Shawn Hill

    Everyone hated Michael C., too. Were they right? Sometimes groupthink is only that.

  • http://www.madamovarypart2.blogspot.com madam ovary

    Ding ding ding – brilliant and so true:  ”They had their defenses up too quickly and they came down much too hard on him in the beginning. Result: disaster”  Bert can be managed, I have no doubt…but as you pointed out, you have to have lived a while and dealt with the Berts in life to know how to manage it.  I love being old.

  • Anonymous

    You GO Diane!!

  • Anonymous

    The cliquish behavior this years seems more pronounced than last season’s, and that was pretty bad. It makes me sad, really.

    TLo, sociologists have labeled our generation Generation X. The “generation y” came as an after-thought because reporters didn’t know how else to label them. Millennial is the text-book description for them. Apparently, their generation is even bigger than the Boomers’. I don’t know why I just gave a mini-lecture, but there you go.

  • Anonymous

    yeah, except they were the ones who bit first.
    They shouldn’t act surprised and frightened if they get bit back.

    He very well may have ended up acting the same way no mater how they treated him, but really,they fired the first shot.

    • Anonymous

      We don’t know who fired the first shot. We know who the editors showed us fired the first shot. 

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, he acted terribly. So did the ‘kids’. I don’t think they were terrified of him at all. They went into it intending to leave him on his own, fully expected him to turn out a bad outfit, then they were going to railroad him on the runway. They pretty much said it, didn’t they? They didn’t even give his ideas a minute’s thought. They didn’t want to, they didn’t intend to. So yes, he does act terribly, but nobody came out of this looking good and AR should have been sent home for that outfit.

  • Anonymous

    Thing is, I’m not interested in how or whether they can “manage” an old coot like Bert. I’m only interested in what each can design as an INDIVIDUAL. I hate team challenges. And yes, Bert is an ass.

  • Anonymous

    Bert is Josh M. in 30 years.

  • Anonymous

    I really want to root for Bert, but he’s making it really difficult, both with his attitude and his output lately.

  • http://twitter.com/DeitraNotDietra Deitra S.

    Amen!  To paraphrase Santana, the only straight Bert is, is straight-up bitch!  I’m so sick of him.  And I’m still pissed at the judges (and/or the producers for cutting it out) for not giving Bert a smackdown during his little happy dance at his teammates’ expense.  True, they were no angels, but that’s just childish.

  • Anonymous

    Project Runway used to be a nice mix of talent and drama. It seems that Lifetime is only interested in the drama, so every week we’re getting a bunch of mediocre designs from a bunch of spoiled brats/grumpy old men who think way too highly of themselves but don’t seem to have the talent to back it up. I’m very close to giving up on this season.

    That…thing that Anthony created is one of the ugliest pieces of shit I have ever seen. Even the model has a look on her face like, “I’m sorry. There’s only so much I can do.”

  • Anonymous

    What an ass! He is the toxic black hole of creativity and should be renamed Cruella De Ville. That grin juxtaposed with the two sad faces of two talented designers makes me want to retch. How dare he? I certainly hope Heidi and company are reading your blog. 86 the cretin! Have you noticed that every single time anyone is paired with him, they fail? I think it’s by design. It’s how he gets along in the world — he creates massive unrest around him and then merrily goes along with his plan. I think DeborahLipp may be correct that he has a disorder. But it isn’t Aspergers. My sister has Aspergers and doesn’t have a mean bone in her body. This guy is MEAN – on purpose.  Go look up Borderline Personality Disorder. That toxic personality type is only happy when everyone around them is unhappy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GQIN74TNNQROY5JFPOWWBGJWEM andy

    Here’s the thing, Anthony’s design isn’t a failure when it comes to
    function. Bert’s is. You could exercise in that romper, but there’s no
    way in hell you could move in that tailored cocktail ensemble. Bert wins on
    aesthetic, Anthony on functionality.

    Function follows form?

  • Anonymous

    Yep – I agree. I said this earlier – I think if he has anything (other than delirium tremens!) He has Borderline Personality disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

    or – as one of my buddies used to say, he just has inter-rectus cranial disorder. (head up his ass)… No matter what he has, he has no business being on the show any more!
    No

  • Anonymous

    I still think Clinique counter is the nastier of the queens.  Awful person.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karen-Suzanne-Wood/1663511446 Karen Suzanne Wood

    I just kind of wonder if he’s showing symptoms of dementia already. I say that because when he mentioned Olivier winning, he was sitting right next to him. Also the not knowing name excuse could be covering for something. ~ He probably just can’t recollect nouns, which is another sign. There was one other thing I noticed in how he sort of looks lost in the crowd sometimes. And his designs are like rote, he is doing what he knows or what he’s always done, and that’s why they are so simple. He can’t follow directions because I don’t think he can follow directions. The anger that’s prevalent could be sheer frustration at the loss of memory. Okay and I’ll say it: It’s another sign of early onset of dementia.

    • pacconci

      If repeating the same design he has done before is a sign of dementia in Bert, Anya must be queen of the demented.

    • pacconci

      If repeating the same design he has done before is a sign of dementia in Bert, Anya must be queen of the demented.

  • Anonymous

    BEeRguT needs to call his AA sponsor

  • Anonymous

    I think Bert is as terrified of everyone as everyone is terrified of him. Plus he’s dick

  • Anonymous

    I think Bert is as terrified of everyone as everyone is terrified of him. Plus he’s dick

  • Anonymous

    How could he send a model down the runway in those shorts?  It’s appalling.  I don’t care what kind of a nasty bitch Bert is, there is NO excuse for those shorts.

  • bethannstamps

    he is just a mean, insecure, ego to the wazoo, “im older so i know more and am better than…..”, twit. please sew his lips shut, and then auf him. i was so in his corner when he started, really thought his first look was great. boy did that go to his ego fast. i don’t think he is Aspie, just a jerk

  • Anonymous

    I know the editing can’t make words come out of someone’s mouth, but I do wonder what role the editing is playing in how we are perceiving some of these people.  Random nastiness can be the result of things we haven’t seen. I am not saying that is the case here. Not at all. But I really do wonder. 

    I miss Bravo. *wail*

  • Anonymous

    Bert doesn’t suffer fools lightly.  Yay! 

     If, as happened in an earlier episode, a soi-disant designer doesn’t know the difference between the Elizabethan and Victorian periods, he’s a fool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000847007234 Patty Benner Young

    This is the worst group of designers ever!  The show has become more “reality” than fashion.  They are immature designers – some can’t even sew, and I am quickly losing my interest.  Bert is intolerant of their lack of maturity…Anthony and Laura were a-holes from the get go…they didn’t want him, and made that well known.  Joshua is equally a jerk. And I agree with Heidi…Anthony should have gone home, his disign was the ugliest I have ever seen.  So let me get your view straight…all the other designers can act like jerks, but Bert can’t?  

  • Anonymous

    late to this post, but tend to agree with the folks who don’t mind bert,  yeah, he’s a grumpy fart, and not friendly, but he seems more than fine if you just let him do his work.  and overall, i like his work.  i’d rather have him alone in his corner than someone who is out there actively instigating problems and looking for trouble.  those are the people that really get under my skin: the gossips, the bossypants, the “let’s all hate this one person,” etc.  in this challenge, bert was right not to be swayed into doing what the others wanted him to do, and was ostracized for it.  no wonder why he rejoiced a little bit.   he felt vindicated.  normal enough reaction.  i do think he’s very flinty, kinda dry drunky, but he’s talented and just wants to be left alone to do his work, and i get that. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HR62EKL65MRO34FADSK3U7WOXM Old's Cool

    He is NOT Aspie, he’s assie.

    And the reason the WOMAN got pilloried was simply BECAUSE she’s an uppity woman.  People are so sexist it’s not even funny

  • Anonymous

    Aspie? What a nasty shorthand for someone dealing with Asperger’s Syndrome. And how ridiculous to see these armchair psychoanalysts. That being said, here’s my two cents: Bert had a great life when he was younger. He worked with great designers, his talent was valued, and he had a beautiful man who he loved. He was also on the front lines of the AIDS crisis. In the early days, priests and rabbis cheered the deaths of his friends. The federal government, which appropriated $14 million dollars within a week of the outbreak of Legionellosis, which affected white straight males, did nothing in the early years of the AIDS crisis, which was then called GRID, because it was only killing niggers and faggots. After seeing his world collapse, and probably suffering from survivor’s guilt, Bert had a meltdown. Now he has picked himself up and is doing his thing. He doesn’t have the time nor the inclination to pretend that he is doing anything other than engaging in competition. And, he’s the most talented of the designers. He has no reason to pretend otherwise.