All On The Line S1E7: Leila Shams

Posted on May 12, 2011


Meet Leila Shams. She’s been designing for ten years, but she’s hit a rough patch, even though she’s had some of her pieces worn by celebrities. She’s full of personality and has great personal style, but she comes off a bit flighty and VERY disorganized.

To be honest, we thought we were in for another “Why is Joe spending time on her?” episode. She seems very nice, but…how to put this?

There’s a taste issue.

But to be fair, there’s a big market out there for party girl clothes, which is what she does: short dresses with maximum head-turn appeal. There’s a fine line separating fun party clothes and just plain tacky clothes, however, and it’s not always easy to tell if you’ve stepped over it as a designer. She seemed a bit confused about what it was she was doing and who it is she’s designing for. “”I think my clothes are a little too specific to a certain occasion that might not even exist.” If that one line doesn’t sum up the dilemma of a creative person who’s too close to her work to look at it objectively (a pitfall for creative people), then we don’t know what is.

To keep her business running, she’s got a cute brother with apparently deep pockets…

… and a mom who sews but isn’t a seamstress. Joe brought a friend in to help Mom with the sewing of the mini-collection, but what’s she going to do when she doesn’t have Joe’s friends stopping by to help out?

We’re detecting a theme with this show. Who knew there were so many “struggling” designers living and working in fabulous quarters paid for by family members? It’s not the image that springs to mind when one is a “struggling” anything. It also doesn’t make much sense if she can’t hire a decent seamstress and has to rely on her mother’s limited sewing skills.

So Dr. Joe took her to Coney Island and originally we laughed, because we thought it was a subtle way of telling her “Honey, your clothes belong on a boardwalk somewhere,” but we should have known better. He was tapping into something he saw in her clothes; a use of color and print that was potentially exciting, and some indications that she had an eye for seaming and structure. By taking her here, he was essentially giving her a smorgasbord of texture, color, and pattern and she responded to it very well.

As one of Joe’s subjects, she was mostly amenable to his suggestions. Flighty and whiney, but not really a drama queen.  There was some complaining about not wanting to do pants and at the time, we thought she was being a bit ridiculous. What kind of designer refuses to make a pair of pants for a collection?

Answer: the kind of designer who makes pants like this. Well, you can’t fault her for not knowing her own weaknesses.

Still, it sometimes shocks us how lightly the designers take these buyer appointments. She was actually going to send that green dress out to a couple buyers with the back pinned. Kittens, we were nonplussed. It’s like an actor getting a big audition with a world-famous director and deciding he doesn’t need to memorize the lines before going in.

But to be fair, she had tamped down her baseline flightiness and came out of the gate all cool and professional for the buyers from Intermix.

Hit it, girls:

Gorgeous, chic, and sleek. We really love her use of photographic prints. We didn’t realize until we took the screencaps that the print here is a very stylized pair of horse’s heads. You can see it more clearly in the sketch and in some of the pieces that follow.

The horses’ heads are a little easier to pick out in the embroidery, but to be perfectly frank, this dress is kind of ugly. She looks like she’s wearing a latch hook rug.

The buyers really liked the tank and skirt – and so do we – but we thought the latter piece has an odd fit to it. More like a very short bath towel than a skirt. Pretty design, though.

Love the dress, but we agreed with the buyers that a bomber jacket over a gown is a very done look.

Really loved this dress. We’re not crazy about the color and the fit isn’t exactly great on the model (this dress stayed pinned, but Joe had them pin it inside-out). But the construction and seaming are great. Doesn’t really fit with the rest of the collection, though.

That top is our favorite piece in the whole collection. A truly unique look that would have people asking the wearer “Where did you get that?” Which makes it EXACTLY the kind of piece that perks a buyer right up.

In the end, the buyers were intrigued and asked her to rework a few pieces based on their critiques. That’s not a sale, but it’s a very good step in the right direction.

[Screencaps: tomandlorenzo.com]

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  • Mac

    Those pearls on the back of that dress, wow! wtf!?!

  • Macasilver

    Those pearls on the back of that dress, wow! wtf!?!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RK5MAF2VNT32ULNYFIXDANTEC4 Terence

    I can’t see how the green dress would have sold, given how terrible and cheap its construction looks in the photos. Maybe you had to see it in action?

    But I love the racer dress and the last top.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RK5MAF2VNT32ULNYFIXDANTEC4 Terence

    I can’t see how the green dress would have sold, given how terrible and cheap its construction looks in the photos. Maybe you had to see it in action?

    But I love the racer dress and the last top.

  • http://profiles.google.com/angelarosesarno angela rose sarno

    This household loves, loves, loves this show. We want to smack quite a few of the designers, but really, so does Joe. We’d love more Keith though. We suspect he has more to offer than just his eyecandy appeal. TLo, is it us, or does he seem like he’d rather be anywhere than chatting with Joe Zee?

  • Anonymous

    First time I’ve watched, and I enjoyed it. It really is a gift from JZ … so much so that I wondered whether the designer would be able to pick out a gorgeous fabric like that hammered satin on her own (which I agree didn’t fit with the rest of her pieces). It seemed to me that she got a LOT of help. I felt bad for her poor mother, but the woman spent most of the show just standing around, taking direction. If the designer does end up selling some pieces, will it help her get out of debt? Will she flounder all over again w/o JZ’s help? That part of it was kind of a letdown. I’d love to see follow-ups.

  • MilaXX

    She annoyed me but I did like her prints. The beading works better as a top than a skirt and that embroidered dress was a bit too Cosby sweater.

  • http://profiles.google.com/angelarosesarno angela rose sarno

    This household loves, loves, loves this show. We want to smack quite a few of the designers, but really, so does Joe. We’d love more Keith though. We suspect he has more to offer than just his eyecandy appeal. TLo, is it us, or does he seem like he’d rather be anywhere than chatting with Joe Zee?

    • ccinnc

      I got that sense too. But whether it’s Joe Zee or the show itself, can’t tell.

    • David X

      @angela rose sarno … They’re both at Elle, and while their conversations are kind of stilted I think it’s because often Keith is there to provide background on things Joe wants to do, like an artificial way of writing a screenplay to introduce plot elements you need to get across to the viewer (Keith saying about Georgina Chapman in the Jedda-Kahn episode, “She’s one of the most important designers.”) I’m sure they’re much more natural in real life than they are together on camera, but it’s Joe’s show, so Keith is there just to kind of help out. But I’d like to see more insight from him too, seems like he has more to offer than they take from him.

  • ccinnc

    First time I’ve watched, and I enjoyed it. It really is a gift from JZ … so much so that I wondered whether the designer would be able to pick out a gorgeous fabric like that hammered satin on her own (which I agree didn’t fit with the rest of her pieces). It seemed to me that she got a LOT of help. I felt bad for her poor mother, but the woman spent most of the show just standing around, taking direction. If the designer does end up selling some pieces, will it help her get out of debt? Will she flounder all over again w/o JZ’s help? That part of it was kind of a letdown. I’d love to see follow-ups.

    • Catlover2x

      I felt bad for her mother too because sewing can be tedious, esp for someone who changes their mind a lot. But I LOVED when her mother delivered the smack down for her bad language. LOL

      • Leila shams

        Haha she was so mad at me for cursing! And you’re so right – it’s a rough gig! She’s over 60! After the show she was like “I’m done!” Hasn’t been back since! And true about the gorgeous hammered fabric – I would never have picked it. the black skirt is in the same fabric – I got a lot of orders on it and I’ve been cursing Joe the whole time! It’s $50 a yard! There are some benefits to bein tacky lemme tell ya

    • MilaXX

      The hammered satin while pretty felt like a dress made more to please Joe than something she would actually have thought to produce on her own.

      • ccinnc

        Agree, it wasn’t “her” at all.

  • MilaXX

    She annoyed me but I did like her prints. The beading works better as a top than a skirt and that embroidered dress was a bit too Cosby sweater.

    • Leila shams

      well now we annoy each other!

  • Anonymous

    I got that sense too. But whether it’s Joe Zee or the show itself, can’t tell.

  • Anonymous

    I got that sense too. But whether it’s Joe Zee or the show itself, can’t tell.

  • Anonymous

    I got that sense too. But whether it’s Joe Zee or the show itself, can’t tell.

  • http://profiles.google.com/susanvmayer Susan Mayer

    I love the last top and skirt. But I found it initially unflattering until I realized the model has the torso of a prepubescent boy.

  • http://profiles.google.com/susanvmayer Susan Mayer

    I love the last top and skirt. But I found it initially unflattering until I realized the model has the torso of a prepubescent boy.

    • Leila shams

      thanks for noticing! you don’t see the models til you get there and i was like oh man this is gonna be rough

  • Catlover2x

    When her lightbulb turned on, I thought, dang, she’s a t-shirt designer. Clothes were just something to slap an image on for her. Joe has to be a genius (and also much closer to be able to see it) to pick out that she had any structural ideas at all. It was like and architect who slaps a lot of Beaux Arts details and columns onto a façade and then you go through the door to find — no rooms. Just a bunch of of 2x4s holding the front up. I do hope she can pull it together but she exuded a faint whiff of special snowflake vanity designer.

  • Catlover2x

    When her lightbulb turned on, I thought, dang, she’s a t-shirt designer. Clothes were just something to slap an image on for her. Joe has to be a genius (and also much closer to be able to see it) to pick out that she had any structural ideas at all. It was like and architect who slaps a lot of Beaux Arts details and columns onto a façade and then you go through the door to find — no rooms. Just a bunch of of 2x4s holding the front up. I do hope she can pull it together but she exuded a faint whiff of special snowflake vanity designer.

    • Catlover2x

      Terribly sorry about double post. :-(

    • Leila shams

      you are exactly right! i was focusing too much on what was on the garment and not enough on the actual cut of the style. i’m more of a painter than a sculptor – that was my break through on the show. not sure what a special snowflake vanity designer is but sounds like it doesn’t smell very good

      • Catlover2x

        Well, thanks! And if Intermix buys your line, you MUST let TLo know. I want that beaded top rather desperately. It doesn’t smell good. And I’m in the creative field myself, so I know where this comes from. It’s when you fall so in love with your own creative that you can’t step back and take an objective view. Making garments for occasions that don’t even exist isn’t a good way to sell your art. The sad truth is we all have to eat, and to do that, we have to create a market for what we do. If no one wants it, you can celebrate your own aesthetic in private poverty. One of the things I so admire about Joe Zee is that he’s able to analyze a designers strengths and draw them out in such an inspiring way. I wish you luck with your line!

        • Leila shams

          Sooooo true! I have some of the tees – a store bought but didn’t pay (not Intermix) so I shall put them for sale on my site. I’ll let you know when!

          • SherrieTee

            It’s an interesting concept, but I think if I had that hanging on my closet door and woke up in the middle of the night, I’d start screaming. Big cat will eat me. … There’s a filthy joke in there somewhere.

          • Leila shams

            hahahahah – just thought a catlover would like!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=652388367 Kim Tran

            Leila, I just wanted to let you know that I totally want that, and that I’m that certain occasion you’re designing for. It’s too bad that occasion is also a broke vet student.

            I have to admit that some of my admiration stems from my geeky love of clothes with animals on them, but it’s also how you play with the graphics themselves. I love those stark albino crocs on that black field. And the leopard against the grass, and the parrot on the ass! And especially the horsies! Omg, the horsies. That last beaded tee above also makes me swoon.

            Good luck, and I hope you’re still selling clothes when I’m debt-free!

          • Leila shams

            thanks! vets are my biggest fans! i’m almost sold out of that tee because of them! it was actually featured in elle last year and i had cat lovers going bananas looking for them. also donated one to an animal hospital for a charity auction. i do give aways all the time – fan me on fb! xoxoxo 

          • http://www.thirteen.org/program-content/downton-dish-season-3-episode-1/ Gotham Tomato

            I LOVE that cat shirt. I wish I could afford it. I hope you’ll make them for a while and still have some left when I have $125 to spare!

            –GothamTomato

          • Leila shams

            see above! 

          • http://www.facebook.com/gail.lucas Gail Lucas-Keller

             If I was an XS or SM, I’d totally wear it.  Not sure where, since i”m not a party type.  But I do love cats.  It’d be awesome on a big t-shirt to bum around in.

  • Catlover2x

    I thought she started out a glorified t-shirt designer. For her, clothes were just a surface to slap an image onto. Joe has to be a genius (and considerably closer to be able to see it) to spot any signs of structural interest. It was as if an architect slapped a bunch of Beaux Art ornament and columns onto a façade and when you walk through the door, you find no rooms, just 2×4 propping the front up. I hope she can pull it together, but I got the faint whiff of special snowflake vanity designer. Even though I rather liked the idea behind the mini skirt, and that beaded top. I liked the colours and print of the dress she wore to Coney Island.

  • Catlover2x

    I thought she started out a glorified t-shirt designer. For her, clothes were just a surface to slap an image onto. Joe has to be a genius (and considerably closer to be able to see it) to spot any signs of structural interest. It was as if an architect slapped a bunch of Beaux Art ornament and columns onto a façade and when you walk through the door, you find no rooms, just 2×4 propping the front up. I hope she can pull it together, but I got the faint whiff of special snowflake vanity designer. Even though I rather liked the idea behind the mini skirt, and that beaded top. I liked the colours and print of the dress she wore to Coney Island.

  • Catlover2x

    I felt bad for her mother too because sewing can be tedious, esp for someone who changes their mind a lot. But I LOVED when her mother delivered the smack down for her bad language. LOL

  • Catlover2x

    Terribly sorry about double post. :-(

  • Anonymous

    I enjoy the episode as well. I also thought that the green dress didn’t go at all but loved the beaded shirt. Her family dynamics were interesting. I would also like to see what happens a year from now to all these designers-I’d like a follow up ala Tabatha’s Salon Takeover.

  • sweetlilvoice

    I enjoy the episode as well. I also thought that the green dress didn’t go at all but loved the beaded shirt. Her family dynamics were interesting. I would also like to see what happens a year from now to all these designers-I’d like a follow up ala Tabatha’s Salon Takeover.

  • Leila shams

    Well boys, you know I’m gonna have to comment! I had been a design director for big companies for years when I bought that apartment with my then bf, that’s how I paid for it, not my family. And I sold it to fund my line. My clothes are made in a factory in India, not by my mom. That’s how I am able to get my digitally printed silks and hand beaded and embroidered styles – India does this better than anyone and without minimums. However they are a small factory and were just starting out when I was just starting out so we had some growing pains (ie production problems). I did not take my buying appointment lightly at all. The model you see pinned in the back with the long ponytail was so thin she was sent home. (My pieces are contemporary sample size which is a 4. She was a 0) We took it off of her and put it on the model that ended up wearing it in the appt and it didn’t need to be pinned at all. And you’re right – I am horrible at pants that’s why I don’t do them! Personally I feel the market is so over saturated you should stick to what you do best. I know my first stuff was crazy over the top – I had been designing jeans and t-shirts for other companies for so long I was exploding with crazy ideas. So happy with the reaction this toned down collection got, by buyers and celebs. Grateful for Joe’s help and love how he helped me upgrade without completely changing my direction. Love ya bitches xoxoxoxo Leila

  • Leila shams

    Well boys, you know I’m gonna have to comment! I had been a design director for big companies for years when I bought that apartment with my then bf, that’s how I paid for it, not my family. And I sold it to fund my line. My clothes are made in a factory in India, not by my mom. That’s how I am able to get my digitally printed silks and hand beaded and embroidered styles – India does this better than anyone and without minimums. However they are a small factory and were just starting out when I was just starting out so we had some growing pains (ie production problems). I did not take my buying appointment lightly at all. The model you see pinned in the back with the long ponytail was so thin she was sent home. (My pieces are contemporary sample size which is a 4. She was a 0) We took it off of her and put it on the model that ended up wearing it in the appt and it didn’t need to be pinned at all. And you’re right – I am horrible at pants that’s why I don’t do them! Personally I feel the market is so over saturated you should stick to what you do best. I know my first stuff was crazy over the top – I had been designing jeans and t-shirts for other companies for so long I was exploding with crazy ideas. So happy with the reaction this toned down collection got, by buyers and celebs. Grateful for Joe’s help and love how he helped me upgrade without completely changing my direction. Love ya bitches xoxoxoxo Leila

    • http://profiles.google.com/sntierney Shannon Tierney

      The beaded shirt was really intriguing and I actually like the embroidered
      dress. Keep the embroidery thin and not stiff and it’s very pretty – reminds
      me vaguely of a loose Vivienne Tam short sleeved black minidress I have with a
      beaded dragon motif on the front. Interesting without being all T&A like a
      lot of short dresses.

    • mcbishop

      Good on you, Leila!! Loved the racer back gown, the beaded mini and shirt especially…oh, and the cool green dress…. and wish you loads of success!

    • http://profiles.google.com/angelarosesarno angela rose sarno

      Nice to have you here Chica. Please do what you can to overcome your distaste for pants, my hubby and I had to pause the episode to have a long discussion about how killer your prints would look on a pair of skinny pants. Seriously. Make them. I’ll buy them. Or hubby will buy them for me.

      Congrats on having a sense of humor in world that seems to, ahem, lack for it.

    • Marieanne

      You got moxie, kiddo, wading into the pool with the bitter kittens (pardon my mixed metaphors.)  I like that.   I like your gowns, too.  Best of luck.

  • MilaXX

    The hammered satin while pretty felt like a dress made more to please Joe than something she would actually have thought to produce on her own.

  • Anonymous

    Question: if your last name is “Sham(s),” why would you name your child something that can be pronounced “Lie-lah?” It’s like a musical theater villainess.

  • MilaXX

    It would indeed be interesting to see 6 nth or even 1 year follow ups on these shows. perhaps if there’s a second season, a portion of the premiere ep can be a” Where are they now”? I wonder where they would fall, closer to the Tabatha salon takeover crowd where most of them succeed, or closer to Ramsey Kitchen Nightmares where most fail? I do hope some of these designers see themselves on tv and make a bit of an attitude adjustment or at least take a business class or two.

  • Leila shams

    you are exactly right! i was focusing too much on what was on the garment and not enough on the actual cut of the style. i’m more of a painter than a sculptor – that was my break through on the show. not sure what a special snowflake vanity designer is but sounds like it doesn’t smell very good

  • librarygrrl64

    Question: if your last name is “Sham(s),” why would you name your child something that can be pronounced “Lie-lah?” It’s like a musical theater villainess.

    • Leila shams

      agree. i always wished i’d been named pillow

      • librarygrrl64

        LOL! Nice. Good luck with your collection, “Pillow.” :-)

  • MilaXX

    It would indeed be interesting to see 6 nth or even 1 year follow ups on these shows. perhaps if there’s a second season, a portion of the premiere ep can be a” Where are they now”? I wonder where they would fall, closer to the Tabatha salon takeover crowd where most of them succeed, or closer to Ramsey Kitchen Nightmares where most fail? I do hope some of these designers see themselves on tv and make a bit of an attitude adjustment or at least take a business class or two.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sntierney Shannon Tierney

    The beaded shirt was really intriguing and I actually like the embroidered
    dress. Keep the embroidery thin and not stiff and it’s very pretty – reminds
    me vaguely of a loose Vivienne Tam short sleeved black minidress I have with a
    beaded dragon motif on the front. Interesting without being all T&A like a
    lot of short dresses.

  • Leila shams

    thanks for noticing! you don’t see the models til you get there and i was like oh man this is gonna be rough

  • Anonymous

    Agree, it wasn’t “her” at all.

  • Anonymous

    Good on you, Leila!! Loved the racer back gown, the beaded mini and shirt especially…oh, and the cool green dress…. and wish you loads of success!

  • Anonymous

    Good on you, Leila!! Loved the racer back gown, the beaded mini and shirt especially…oh, and the cool green dress…. and wish you loads of success!

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said:
    Who knew there were so many “struggling” designers living and working in fabulous quarters paid for by family members?”

    Welcome to New York! Scratch the surface of the lives of A LOT of people in the arts here, and you’ll see family members with deep pockets bankrolling them. It is actually frustrating for those of us who don’t have that option, because it is very hard to compete with people who don’t have to work for a living. They have all the time and space and assistants that they need to make a go of it, and very often that is why people with less talent make it; they have the bankroll advantage and don’t have so much of their time eaten up by survival jobs.

    As for the show, this was at least the second time, in the designer’s introduction, that it was said their business showed promise but they had ‘production issues’. I wish they’d be more specific about what they mean by that.

    Leila did seem flighty, but when the time came to meet the buyers, I think she was the most professional we’ve seen. And at least she didn’t ask to postpone the appointment!

    –GothamTomato

  • Anonymous

    “Tlo said:
    Who knew there were so many “struggling” designers living and working in fabulous quarters paid for by family members?”

    Welcome to New York! Scratch the surface of the lives of A LOT of people in the arts here, and you’ll see family members with deep pockets bankrolling them. It is actually frustrating for those of us who don’t have that option, because it is very hard to compete with people who don’t have to work for a living. They have all the time and space and assistants that they need to make a go of it, and very often that is why people with less talent make it; they have the bankroll advantage and don’t have so much of their time eaten up by survival jobs.

    As for the show, this was at least the second time, in the designer’s introduction, that it was said their business showed promise but they had ‘production issues’. I wish they’d be more specific about what they mean by that.

    Leila did seem flighty, but when the time came to meet the buyers, I think she was the most professional we’ve seen. And at least she didn’t ask to postpone the appointment!

    –GothamTomato

  • http://www.thirteen.org/program-content/downton-dish-season-3-episode-1/ Gotham Tomato

    “Tlo said:
    Who knew there were so many “struggling” designers living and working in fabulous quarters paid for by family members?”

    Welcome to New York! Scratch the surface of the lives of A LOT of people in the arts here, and you’ll see family members with deep pockets bankrolling them. It is actually frustrating for those of us who don’t have that option, because it is very hard to compete with people who don’t have to work for a living. They have all the time and space and assistants that they need to make a go of it, and very often that is why people with less talent make it; they have the bankroll advantage and don’t have so much of their time eaten up by survival jobs.

    As for the show, this was at least the second time, in the designer’s introduction, that it was said their business showed promise but they had ‘production issues’. I wish they’d be more specific about what they mean by that.

    Leila did seem flighty, but when the time came to meet the buyers, I think she was the most professional we’ve seen. And at least she didn’t ask to postpone the appointment!

    –GothamTomato

    • Leila shams

      bah! i do have to work for a living and i always have! but the reality is it takes tons of money to do your own line – it’s impossible without getting money off people – friends, family, backers. and i was professional in the appt because i’ve been presenting to buyers my whole career! i’m 36, i started working in ’98, i’m not a bimbo! rough crowd! i think i’m being funny and humble but i guess it comes off as dumb. will have to work on. anyway production is a fucking nightmare, i write about it in my blog sometimes if you’re interested. in big companies you get these amazing asian factories that make flawless samples super cheap. when you’re tiny those people won’t even talk to you. you have to find someone who can make it for a reasonable price, on time, with a perfect fit and sewn beautifully. when most of your stuff has a million beads on it that’s beyond challenging

      • http://www.thirteen.org/program-content/downton-dish-season-3-episode-1/ Gotham Tomato

        I’m glad you’re posting here. I didn’t mean that YOU don’t have to work for a living – it was stated that you had other design jobs before quitting to start your own line, so it was obvious that you worked. It takes a lot of money to get all arts studios/businesses off the ground, especially in NYC, but it is a reality that those who have those family members backing them financially have a great advantage (whether it’s investing or just bankrolling their rent). If I had a family member to invest $60K when I was getting started, my business would be in a totally different place right now.

        BTW, I never said you were a bimbo. If you’ve watched the other episodes, you must have seen the way some of the other designers treated the buyer’s appointment.

        –GothamTomato

        • Leila shams

          thanks friend. yeah it sucks! i’m really lucky that my family gave me money. what do you do? when i’m rich and famous i’ll pay it forward and give you 60k

          • http://www.thirteen.org/program-content/downton-dish-season-3-episode-1/ Gotham Tomato

            I’ll hold you to that!

            –GothamTomato

      • mcbishop

        Funny and humble is quite all right. Refreshing, actually, next to the massive egos you can find all over the design world. Mine is interiors, but fashion is not so different in terms of the personalities.

        • Leila shams

          totally! and interior design is hard because you need money to do it, just like fashion. painting, illustrating, graphic design – those are great artsy careers cause they don’t cost money to do!

    • holdmewhileimnaked

      yes, thank you. i am so tired today i can barely stand.

  • Leila shams

    well now we annoy each other!

  • Leila shams

    well now we annoy each other!

  • Kimmeister

    Wow, how cool that Leila is really commenting here!

    I can’t see the picture of the pants . . . am I the only one?

    • Leila shams

      haha thanks. i can’t either. just picture 2 columns of laminated poop

      • http://www.facebook.com/aaronfrey9 Aaron Frey

        omg, you’re funny. I want to be your friend.

        • Leila shams

          done

      • Kimmeister

        Oh, now I can see them. I wouldn’t call them laminated poop, they’re at least laminated paper bags! :-) Nice to see you have a good sense of humor (also just saw the Pillow comment).

  • Kimmeister

    Wow, how cool that Leila is really commenting here!

    I can’t see the picture of the pants . . . am I the only one?

  • Leila shams

    bah! i do have to work for a living and i always have! but the reality is it takes tons of money to do your own line – it’s impossible without getting money off people – friends, family, backers. and i was professional in the appt because i’ve been presenting to buyers my whole career! i’m 36, i started working in ’98, i’m not a bimbo! rough crowd! i think i’m being funny and humble but i guess it comes off as dumb. will have to work on. anyway production is a fucking nightmare, i write about it in my blog sometimes if you’re interested. in big companies you get these amazing asian factories that make flawless samples super cheap. when you’re tiny those people won’t even talk to you. you have to find someone who can make it for a reasonable price, on time, with a perfect fit and sewn beautifully. when most of your stuff has a million beads on it that’s beyond challenging

  • Leila shams

    agree. i always wished i’d been named pillow

  • MilaXX

    Grow a pair, you put yourself out there, what did you expect? You may very well poop hearts & butterflies in real life, but the person I saw on tv bugged.

  • Leila shams

    haha thanks. i can’t either. just picture 2 columns of laminated poop

  • Leila shams

    jeez take it easy! i was just kidding with ya. believe me, i am way more annoying in person

  • BrooklynBomber

    Drat, I keep missing this show. What a difference between the before & after. The before stuff looks as tasteless as can be but much of the after looks good. And Intermix is a great match for some of those pieces – that’s probably another of Joe Zee’s talents: matching buyer and seller. I can absolutely imagine seeing the maxi, the tank, and the beaded tee there.

  • Anonymous

    Drat, I keep missing this show. What a difference between the before & after. The before stuff looks as tasteless as can be but much of the after looks good. And Intermix is a great match for some of those pieces – that’s probably another of Joe Zee’s talents: matching buyer and seller. I can absolutely imagine seeing the maxi, the tank, and the beaded tee there.

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad you’re posting here. I didn’t mean that YOU don’t have to work for a living – it was stated that you had other design jobs before quitting to start your own line, so it was obvious that you worked. It takes a lot of money to get all arts studios/businesses off the ground, especially in NYC, but it is a reality that those who have those family members backing them financially have a great advantage (whether it’s investing or just bankrolling their rent). If I had a family member to invest $60K when I was getting started, my business would be in a totally different place right now.

    BTW, I never said you were a bimbo. If you’ve watched the other episodes, you must have seen the way some of the other designers treated the buyer’s appointment.

    –GothamTomato

  • Leila shams

    Haha she was so mad at me for cursing! And you’re so right – it’s a rough gig! She’s over 60! After the show she was like “I’m done!” Hasn’t been back since! And true about the gorgeous hammered fabric – I would never have picked it. the black skirt is in the same fabric – I got a lot of orders on it and I’ve been cursing Joe the whole time! It’s $50 a yard! There are some benefits to bein tacky lemme tell ya

  • Catlover2x

    Well, thanks! And if Intermix buys your line, you MUST let TLo know. I want that beaded top rather desperately. It doesn’t smell good. And I’m in the creative field myself, so I know where this comes from. It’s when you fall so in love with your own creative that you can’t step back and take an objective view. Making garments for occasions that don’t even exist isn’t a good way to sell your art. The sad truth is we all have to eat, and to do that, we have to create a market for what we do. If no one wants it, you can celebrate your own aesthetic in private poverty. One of the things I so admire about Joe Zee is that he’s able to analyze a designers strengths and draw them out in such an inspiring way. I wish you luck with your line!

  • Anonymous

    Funny and humble is quite all right. Refreshing, actually, next to the massive egos you can find all over the design world. Mine is interiors, but fashion is not so different in terms of the personalities.

  • Leila shams

    thanks friend. yeah it sucks! i’m really lucky that my family gave me money. what do you do? when i’m rich and famous i’ll pay it forward and give you 60k

  • Anonymous

    I’ll hold you to that!

    –GothamTomato

  • http://www.facebook.com/aaronfrey9 Aaron Frey

    omg, you’re funny. I want to be your friend.

  • Leila shams

    totally! and interior design is hard because you need money to do it, just like fashion. painting, illustrating, graphic design – those are great artsy careers cause they don’t cost money to do!

  • Guesty

    Leila, if you see this — is the racerback dress available for sale? Also, I know nothing about graphic design — how exactly do you create your sketches? They are very striking.

  • Kimmeister

    Oh, now I can see them. I wouldn’t call them laminated poop, they’re at least laminated paper bags! :-) Nice to see you have a good sense of humor (also just saw the Pillow comment).

  • Guesty

    Leila, if you see this — is the racerback dress available for sale? Also, I know nothing about graphic design — how exactly do you create your sketches? They are very striking.

  • Leila shams

    the whole collection is here if you guys are interested http://leilashams.com/freakofnature.html. this includes changes the buyers requested and a little leila shams hoochifying – baby steps!

  • http://profiles.google.com/trashilove { edi } ilovetrash

    yes, thank you. i am so tired today i can barely stand.

  • Leila shams

    hi! yes, there is one more for sale on my site here http://leilashams.com/leilashamsstore.html?bpid=144 also at planet blue http://shopplanetblue.com/index.php/racer-back-maxi-dress.html?deptId= they are also sold out of S and L tho. The sketches I either draw freehand in photoshop (beaded tee, bareback mini dress, mini ponti) or i draw over a photo of a girl in a bikini. you can’t do this without a wacom tablet and pen. i can show you a step by step if you email me [email protected]

  • tired_mommy

    I also loved the beaded t–thought it would be really flattering to both small and large chests.

  • Tired mommy

    I also loved the beaded t–thought it would be really flattering to both small and large chests.

  • Tired mommy

    I actually thought the dress Leila wore to Coney Island was cute too–I assume it was one of her own designs that would be cute in lots of different prints.

  • tired_mommy

    I actually thought the dress Leila wore to Coney Island was cute too–I assume it was one of her own designs that would be cute in lots of different prints.

    • Leila shams

      thanks so much! it is one of mine and my bff also wears it all the time. she was just telling me i should do it in more prints! i shall!

  • Leila shams

    Sooooo true! I have some of the tees – a store bought but didn’t pay (not Intermix) so I shall put them for sale on my site. I’ll let you know when! But are you sure you don’t want this? http://leilashams.com/leilashamsstore.html?bpid=636

  • Leila shams

    thanks so much! it is one of mine and my bff also wears it all the time. she was just telling me i should do it in more prints! i shall!

  • Anonymous

    LOL! Nice. Good luck with your collection, “Pillow.” :-)

  • tired_mommy

    I really do like this show, but one nagging element that continues to bug me is Joe talking about his reputation being on the line. If that is truly the case, why doesn’t he schedule the meetings with more advance notice? Obviously more fun to watch designers scramble for time on tv.

  • Tired mommy

    I really do like this show, but one nagging element that continues to bug me is Joe talking about his reputation being on the line. If that is truly the case, why doesn’t he schedule the meetings with more advance notice? Obviously more fun to watch designers scramble for time on tv.

  • Leila shams
  • primetimemom

    I like every look in this collection except for the sweater dress with the hole in the back.

  • Anonymous

    I like every look in this collection except for the sweater dress with the hole in the back.

  • Momzilla

    The mural lets you know that in ths family “It’s all about Leila!”
    She’s very limited.

    • Leila shams

      haha does it look like me in the mural? i actually had everyone in my family get a tattoo of me on their backs. there’s a great family photo of us where i’m facing forward and and everyone else is with their back turned and shirtless. it looks just like the mural actually!

      • http://www.thechipsterdiaries.blogspot.com/ Jess the Chipster

         Leila, you are hilarious and awesome. 

    • http://www.thechipsterdiaries.blogspot.com/ Jess the Chipster

      That’s not Leila, it’s some famous image isn’t it?

      • Leila shams

        haha yes – it’s a reproduction of a richard phillips painting on carpet 

  • Momzilla

    The mural lets you know that in ths family “It’s all about Leila!”
    She’s very limited.

  • http://vhanna26.typepad.com Vera

    Love the maxi dress and the beaded top is quite unique, but classy. Leila is talented, but I hope she can step it up with the production issues. Her work deserves to be out there.

  • SherrieTee

    It’s an interesting concept, but I think if I had that hanging on my closet door and woke up in the middle of the night, I’d start screaming. Big cat will eat me. … There’s a filthy joke in there somewhere.

  • http://vhanna26.typepad.com Vera

    Love the maxi dress and the beaded top quite unique, but classy. Leila is talented, but I hope she can step it up with the production issues. Her work deserves to be out there

  • Leila shams

    hahahahah – just thought a catlover would like!

  • Leila shams

    done

  • LiterateWonderful

    Leila, thanks for joining the minions! You are such a good sport. Would that beaded tee work for someone a bit more voluptuous? I can’t tell how far down the neck opening goes.

    Very interesting back story about the production issues. I bought one of the pieces from the first featured designer on this program, Radenroro, and was very surprised to see it was made in the USA. It’s an interesting business.

    Sort of off topic, but does anyone know how you would get a digital print made? I’ve always dreamed of designing my own fabric (a la the last two seasons of Project Runway) and have given it a lot of thought, but I don’t know how one would go about getting it produced. It would be a limited run for my own vanity project — I’m no designer otherwise.

    • Leila shams

      the neckline isn’t that low but the t-shirt is cropped which only really works with something high waisted. so great that you bought one of their pieces! i love digital prints – where are you located? there are places you can get them done in nyc. what’s great is there’s no minimums because you don’t burn screens and you don’t have to put them in repeat.

  • Anonymous

    Leila, thanks for joining the minions! You are such a good sport. Would that beaded tee work for someone a bit more voluptuous? I can’t tell how far down the neck opening goes.

    Very interesting back story about the production issues. I bought one of the pieces from the first featured designer on this program, Radenroro, and was very surprised to see it was made in the USA. It’s an interesting business.

    Sort of off topic, but does anyone know how you would get a digital print made? I’ve always dreamed of designing my own fabric (a la the last two seasons of Project Runway) and have given it a lot of thought, but I don’t know how one would go about getting it produced. It would be a limited run for my own vanity project — I’m no designer otherwise.

  • Leila shams

    haha does it look like me in the mural? i actually had everyone in my family get a tattoo of me on their backs. there’s a great family photo of us where i’m facing forward and and everyone else is with their back turned and shirtless. it looks just like the mural actually!

  • Leila shams

    the neckline isn’t that low but the t-shirt is cropped which only really works with something high waisted. so great that you bought one of their pieces! i love digital prints – where are you located? there are places you can get them done in nyc. what’s great is there’s no minimums because you don’t burn screens and you don’t have to put them in repeat. i have used these people before http://www.first2print.com/ these people also look good and you can send in artwork http://supersample.com/index.html if you need help email me [email protected]

  • Mary

    Yeah – she doesn’t have a factory or a pattern maker? Who sews her collections? Does her mom do ALL of them piece by piece? I thought that couldn’t be possible and mom was just making samples? But even still WTF. GET A PROFESSIONAL FACTORY AND PATTERN MAKER!

    • Mary

      whoops after reading through the discussion I answered my own question.

  • Mary

    Yeah – she doesn’t have a factory or a pattern maker? Who sews her collections? Does her mom do ALL of them piece by piece? I thought that couldn’t be possible and mom was just making samples? But even still WTF. GET A PROFESSIONAL FACTORY AND PATTERN MAKER!

  • http://profiles.google.com/angelarosesarno angela rose sarno

    Nice to have you here Chica. Please do what you can to overcome your distaste for pants, my hubby and I had to pause the episode to have a long discussion about how killer your prints would look on a pair of skinny pants. Seriously. Make them. I’ll buy them. Or hubby will buy them for me.

    Congrats on having a sense of humor in world that seems to, ahem, lack for it.

  • http://profiles.google.com/angelarosesarno angela rose sarno

    Nice to have you here Chica. Please do what you can to overcome your distaste for pants, my hubby and I had to pause the episode to have a long discussion about how killer your prints would look on a pair of skinny pants. Seriously. Make them. I’ll buy them. Or hubby will buy them for me.

    Congrats on having a sense of humor in world that seems to, ahem, lack for it.

  • Mary

    whoops after reading through the discussion I answered my own question.

  • SewingSiren

    The siamese horse design is awesome. I like that you can’t really tell what it is. I also like the giant print draped on the mannequin. It looks like a lizard head or something. 

  • Anonymous

    The siamese horse design is awesome. I like that you can’t really tell what it is. I also like the giant print draped on the mannequin. It looks like a lizard head or something. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=652388367 Kim Tran

    Leila, I just wanted to let you know that I totally want that, and that I’m that certain occasion you’re designing for. It’s too bad that occasion is also a broke vet student.

    I have to admit that some of my admiration stems from my geeky love of clothes with animals on them, but it’s also how you play with the graphics themselves. I love those stark albino crocs on that black field. And the leopard against the grass, and the parrot on the ass! And especially the horsies! Omg, the horsies. That last beaded tee above also makes me swoon.

    Good luck, and I hope you’re still selling clothes when I’m debt-free!

  • Grace Poole

    Leila seems like a very good sport and a lot of fun but my God, left to her own devices, that was some hideous clothing.  Tacky, cheap-looking slut wear.  It looks like she was designing for Snookie and the Jersey Shore gals.  With Joe’s help she made some nice things but I wonder if she really has the taste to produce marketable clothes.  I’m sure there’s a market for cheap slut wear but don’t know how profitable it is.  Joe must do a follow-up with all the designers in a year. 

    Jo0e must do a follow-up wioth all these designers. 

    • Leila shams

      i worked for bebe – lemme tell ya – there is a HUGE market for tacky cheap looking slut wear! sluts spend $! or at least people spend money on them haha. prudes buy slacks and cardigans – that market is saturated. maybe i’ll start selling my stuff with condoms in the pockets. or lube

      • David X

         Little square pockets for condoms? Long, narrow pockets for tubes of lube? You might be on to something there.

        You’re a great sport for showing up here. Good luck to you.

  • Grace Poole

    Leila seems like a very good sport and a lot of fun but my God, left to her own devices, that was some hideous clothing.  Tacky, cheap-looking slut wear.  It looks like she was designing for Snookie and the Jersey Shore gals.  With Joe’s help she made some nice things but I wonder if she really has the taste to produce marketable clothes.  I’m sure there’s a market for cheap slut wear but don’t know how profitable it is.  Joe must do a follow-up with all the designers in a year. 

    Jo0e must do a follow-up wioth all these designers. 

  • Marieanne

    You got moxie, kiddo, wading into the pool with the bitter kittens (pardon my mixed metaphors.)  I like that.   I like your gowns, too.  Best of luck.

  • http://profiles.google.com/jess.zng Jessica Zeng

    That’s not Leila, it’s some famous image isn’t it?

  • http://profiles.google.com/jess.zng Jessica Zeng

     Leila, you are hilarious and awesome. 

  • Anonymous

    When I saw her clothes at first, I just heard Michael Kors’ “Slutty slutty slutty!” in my head. Good for her that she listened and learned, but I don’t get the feeling that she’s going to be successful after the TV cameras leave, unfortunately. It would be kinda cool in subsequent seasons to have a “whatever happened to…” feature on the show.

  • GorgeousThings

    When I saw her clothes at first, I just heard Michael Kors’ “Slutty slutty slutty!” in my head. Good for her that she listened and learned, but I don’t get the feeling that she’s going to be successful after the TV cameras leave, unfortunately. It would be kinda cool in subsequent seasons to have a “whatever happened to…” feature on the show.

    • SewingSiren

      The dress with the super short mullet hem is too much, but the lightning bolt print is great. Also black lace dress with  the pearl “rib cage”,  too  much as presented,  but if she did  rib cage  dress in the digital print? Clever.

  • SewingSiren

    I also llike that all her croquis look like her, cheeky.
    He website features alot of garments with gigantic prints on them such as albino peacock, lightning, broken glass, and my favorite the pigmy albino crocodile . If I had some extra spending cash I would buy that dress just so I could tell people I was wearing a pigmy albino crocodile dress.

    • Leila shams

      pigmy albino crocodile is the new leopard. you heard it here first 

      • SewingSiren

        I really do love that print. I see that the dress  has sold out now too!
        I also think the Neon Butterflly would be stunning printed on chiffon. 

  • Anonymous

    I also llike that all her croquis look like her, cheeky.
    He website features alot of garments with gigantic prints on them such as albino peacock, lightning, broken glass, and my favorite the pigmy albino crocodile ? If I had some extra spending cash I would buy that dress just so I could tell people I was wearing a pigmy albino crocodile dress.

  • Anonymous

    The dress with the super short mullet hem is too much, but the lightning bolt print is great. Also black lace dress with  the pearl “rib cage”,  too  much as presented,  but if she did  rib cage  dress in the digital print? Clever.

  • Anonymous

    I LOVE that cat shirt. I wish I could afford it. I hope you’ll make them for a while and still have some left when I have $125 to spare!

    –GothamTomato

  • minnye

    Love your prints, Miss Leila!  (…and your sense of humor!)

    • Leila shams

      thanks friend! 

  • Anonymous

    Love your prints, Miss Leila!  (…and your sense of humor!)

  • http://www.facebook.com/gail.lucas Gail Lucas-Keller

     If I was an XS or SM, I’d totally wear it.  Not sure where, since i”m not a party type.  But I do love cats.  It’d be awesome on a big t-shirt to bum around in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gail.lucas Gail Lucas-Keller

     Spoonflower (http://www.spoonflower.com/welcome) is where a lot of the crafty people are getting prints done.  I believe they have some apparel weight fabrics.  I’ve only bought their quilting cotton, but what I’ve gotten is very nice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gail.lucas Gail Lucas-Keller

     Spoonflower (http://www.spoonflower.com/welcome) is where a lot of the crafty people are getting prints done.  I believe they have some apparel weight fabrics.  I’ve only bought their quilting cotton, but what I’ve gotten is very nice.

  • Caaro1947

     That Siamese horses print gave me the willies.  I didn’t care for any of her pieces.  As for Keith, he is oddly inert which makes me question why JZ would cast this impassive statue as his foil. Maybe be some contractual obligation with Elle.com.   I just want to go to sleep every time he speaks.   I just want to go to sleep every time he speaks.  

    • Caaro1947

      Apology for the repetition

    • Leila shams

      man, keith is gettin it almost as bad as i am up in here. he was actually really vocal and charming in my appointment – seems like some video editor has it out for him. perhaps a jilted lover? 

  • Caaro1947

     That Siamese horses print gave me the willies.  I didn’t care for any of her pieces.  As for Keith, he is oddly inert which makes me question why JZ would cast this impassive statue as his foil. Maybe be some contractual obligation with Elle.com.   I just want to go to sleep every time he speaks.   I just want to go to sleep every time he speaks.  

  • Caaro1947

    Apology for the repetition

  • Leila shams

    haha yes – it’s a reproduction of a richard phillips painting on carpet 

  • Leila shams

    thanks friend! 

  • Leila shams

    pigmy albino crocodile is the new leopard. you heard it here first 

  • Leila shams

    thanks! vets are my biggest fans! i’m almost sold out of that tee because of them! it was actually featured in elle last year and i had cat lovers going bananas looking for them. also donated one to an animal hospital for a charity auction. i do give aways all the time – fan me on fb! xoxoxo 

  • Leila shams

    thanks! vets are my biggest fans! i’m almost sold out of that tee because of them! it was actually featured in elle last year and i had cat lovers going bananas looking for them. also donated one to an animal hospital for a charity auction. i do give aways all the time – fan me on fb! xoxoxo 

  • Leila shams

    see above! 

  • Leila shams

    see above! 

  • Leila shams

    i worked for bebe – lemme tell ya – there is a HUGE market for tacky cheap looking slut wear! sluts spend $! or at least people spend money on them haha. prudes buy slacks and cardigans – that market is saturated. maybe i’ll start selling my stuff with condoms in the pockets. or lube

  • Leila shams

    man, keith is gettin it almost as bad as i am up in here. he was actually really vocal and charming in my appointment – seems like some video editor has it out for him. perhaps a jilted lover? 

  • Leila shams
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FNFWER3VPXZGG4B6QCJVIPYEDM AntonijaM

    I’m sure you do work hard, Leila, but the bimbo image may go away sooner if you stopped using the “F” word and start using caps and puncuation in the appropriate places. 
    Yep–we are a tough crowd. 

  • David X

    @angela rose sarno … They’re both at Elle, and while their conversations are kind of stilted I think it’s because often Keith is there to provide background on things Joe wants to do, like an artificial way of writing a screenplay to introduce plot elements you need to get across to the viewer (Keith saying about Georgina Chapman in the Jedda-Kahn episode, “She’s one of the most important designers.”) I’m sure they’re much more natural in real life than they are together on camera, but it’s Joe’s show, so Keith is there just to kind of help out. But I’d like to see more insight from him too, seems like he has more to offer than they take from him.

  • David X

     Little square pockets for condoms? Long, narrow pockets for tubes of lube? You might be on to something there.

    You’re a great sport for showing up here. Good luck to you.

  • David X

     Little square pockets for condoms? Long, narrow pockets for tubes of lube? You might be on to something there.

    You’re a great sport for showing up here. Good luck to you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1266410766 Phyllis Craine

    God bless your Mom for making samples on a home sewing machine…I hope she has an industrial stashed away somewhere!

    • SewingSiren

      A sample hand or seamstress working on one garment start to finish really has no need for an industrial sewing machine.
      The industrial machines are for factory settings where one operator is perfoming one operation (like sewing the inseam) repeatedly for an entire shift and then an other operator will take over the machine for her shift. The industrial machine is very tough and can abused (this is why schools use them) but they are  very expensive and only perform one function.When a desinger is developing a new design and working with a sample hand a home sew type machine is much more practical, as the sample hand is constructing the garment from start to finish, the home sew machine has many functions and the whole garment can me finished using only one machine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1266410766 Phyllis Craine

    God bless your Mom for making samples on a home sewing machine…I hope she has an industrial stashed away somewhere!

  • Anonymous

    I really do love that print. I see that the dress  has sold out now too!
    I also think the Neon Butterflly would be stunning printed on chiffon. 

  • Anonymous

    A sample hand or seamstress working on one garment start to finish really has no need for an industrial sewing machine.
    The industrial machines are for factory settings where one operator is perfoming one operation (like sewing the inseam) repeatedly for an entire shift and then an other operator will take over the machine for her shift. The industrial machine is very tough and can abused (this is why schools use them) but they are  very expensive and only perform one function.When a desinger i

  • Leila shams

    as i said earlier my mom doesn’t usually make my samples, they’re made in a factory. but for the show she and antonio did make some pieces here with a home machine including the green dress and the black skirt – you can see the actual sample on kim kardashian here, it’s beautiful http://outfitidentifier.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/48.jpg . as sewing siren said it is not unusual for a first sample to be made on a home machine. we used the pattern for the black skirt to make those unfortunate brown pants as well, which were sewn by a tailor on the lower east side as was the leather version of the green dress.  the printed racerback maxi dress and beaded skirt was made in India as well as the tee neckline and siamese horses thread embroidery. the leather jackets were made in a factory in midtown – these are heavily washed and require sturdy stitching. i am desperately searching for a factory to make these at a better price – if anyone has any advice pls email me [email protected] the gown was made in a sample room in midtown using the pattern from the leopard and lightning “mullet” dresses. my mom and antonio also made the albino croc gown which is on my home page http://www.leilashams.com  

  • George

    The commenters here should be aware that Leila wrote a post on her blog trashing them and calling T Lo “cunts.” It’s all an act, folks. She’s an ungrateful bitch. 

  • George

    The commenters here should be aware that Leila wrote a post on her blog trashing them and calling T Lo “cunts.” It’s all an act, folks. She’s an ungrateful bitch. 

    • Christy

      I think it was a joke, George. It was in the context of deciding to not, herself, write bitchy blogposts any more. Leila is pretty irreverent, and I thought she was a pretty good sport through all the snark.

  • Christy

    I think it was a joke, George. It was in the context of deciding to not, herself, write bitchy blogposts any more. Leila is pretty irreverent, and I thought she was a pretty good sport through all the snark.

  • Anonymous

    A question sort of raised by this ep, though brought up before–talking about designers who can’t sew. I mean this seriously–not, like, “Ew, they don’t know their craft.”   I just wonder how it comes about.  Obviously, at later stages of a career, they want expert tailors, but when they’re first learning and experimenting with the art, wouldn’t learning to sew just sort of happen as a consequence?  Or is it all drawing at first, with no fabric until later?

    I know, it’s probably a dumb question, but I don’t happen to know anyone who’s interested in this, and I’ve been randomly puzzling over it for a while.

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  • Anonymous

    That is one good looking brother. The head of Intermix ain’t bad either. Oh, and love, love, love the horse gown. Love.

  • understateddiva

     I agree, I liked her photo prints much more.